General Debate 21 December 2013

December 21st, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. duggledog (1,103 comments) says:

    From today’s online Herald, just under the main headline ‘Alison Mau Didn’t Know She Was Going To Be Sacked’ -

    “Rainbow of emotions at arrival hall

    The week before Christmas is the busiest at Auckland Airport. We spend 24 hours at the entry gate, witnessing the drama.”

    Well, now. That’s neat guys. Does anybody at the Herald have any sense of self respect or wonder why circulation is tanking?
    This is why I didn’t put much store in their editorial demanding Len Brown to step down.

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  2. double d (219 comments) says:

    Is the rumour true – Lying Lennie having a homosexual affair with David Bain……

    Leave you guys to discuss

    ….. I am off to the beach

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  3. Viking2 (10,703 comments) says:

    So its holiday time at last.

    Not before time either.

    Our company had a big busy year.

    Same again next year.

    Merry xmas.
    I now need some R & R.

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  4. Chuck Bird (4,402 comments) says:

    The Herald is having a go at Brewer’s undeclared trip as a former head of Newmarket Business Association. The Herald neglect to say in what capacity he made the trip or how there could be even a perceived conflict of interest.

    Editorial: Spotlight on Brown catches critic in glare
    5:30 AM Saturday Dec 21, 2013

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11176087

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  5. Scott Chris (5,675 comments) says:

    Stuff’s The Annual Polly Awards.

    Some quite funny ones with Aaron Gilmore winning three:

    Wally of the Year – Aaron “don’t you know who I am” Gilmore
    Mea culpa of the year – Gilmore again, for this confession: “If there was a dickhead on that night it was me.”
    Look on the bright side award – to Gilmore. Everyone knows who he is now.

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  6. WineOh (428 comments) says:

    Silent T let off with a warning by police after his electoral tweeting fuckup. Why did we just know that the toothless enforcement of electoral law would give him a gentle stroking with a soaked snapper card.

    Actually now that I think about it, its a good result, as it means his next electoral screwup he can get nailed for given he’s on a formal warning. If it were a rugby ref – “next one goes to the bin.”

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  7. john (24 comments) says:

    double d leave off the shit stirring mate, it is nearly Christmas!!!

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  8. OneTrack (1,957 comments) says:

    “The Herald neglect to say in what capacity he made the trip or how there could be even a perceived conflict of interest.”

    Maybe Whale can do a story on it and cover off those bits. And show the Herald how to do their job. Again.

    To be fair, they were probably focussing all their resources on the important “Rainbow of Emotions” story.

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  9. Steve (North Shore) (4,318 comments) says:

    Do you think double d is shit stirring john? What proof might you have?

    There is much more to come in the Len Brown saga

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  10. double d (219 comments) says:

    Lighten up john. Intended as humour.

    Sheesh

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  11. Paulus (2,292 comments) says:

    The Herald again shows its colours re the Newmarket Business Association Seminar with Cameron Brewer (his employer) being the arch enemy, and lovely Liar Brown the hero now.
    Well done Penny Hulse – showing her real unpleasant colour setting herself up to take the mayor’s role.
    As Brown fades away she will come to the front as the new heroine, attending as “acting” mayor.
    Be warned she is a nasty piece of work and politically left of Brown.

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  12. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    Failing to embrace “diversity” is a crime……..

    “….we range ourselves with fear besides Britain.Where she goes,we go…..”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2527115/Tory-councillor-72-ordered-undertake-diversity-training-claiming-golliwogs-nostalgic-not-racist.html

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  13. WineOh (428 comments) says:

    I’ve had multiple people complain to me recently about the ‘un-christmas’ around Wellington this year. No Xmas tree in Midland Park, no Tree in Chaffers park, no counil xmas decorations, no xmas flags on the streetsides. I honestly hadn’t noticed until it had been pointed out to me. We let the greens in charge for 10 minutes and they kill santa?

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  14. duggledog (1,103 comments) says:

    Paulus, she’s happily married with two kids I believe and not such a bad person. She learned everything from Bob Harvey the nudist so yeah she is a lefty but I don’t think she’s militant at all. Really needs to do something about that hair cut though.

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  15. gump (1,228 comments) says:

    @Chuck Bird

    “The Herald is having a go at Brewer’s undeclared trip as a former head of Newmarket Business Association. The Herald neglect to say in what capacity he made the trip or how there could be even a perceived conflict of interest.”

    ———————————

    The issue is that Cameron Brewer called for Len Brown to be sacked for not declaring corporate gifts on the register of interests, and now has been shown to not have declared his own corporate gifts on that register.

    He shows that he is either hypocritical or stupid. Neither is a good outcome.

    People in glass houses…

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  16. john (24 comments) says:

    As was my reply an attempt at humor double d, a play on words, you speak of homosexual affair and I of shit stirring, get the connection?

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  17. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/fran-osullivan-on-business/news/article.cfm?c_id=1502864&objectid=11176088

    Top column this morning from Fran

    Lots of questions. Seems that brown really did get to gut that report so bugger him.

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  18. All_on_Red (941 comments) says:

    “The issue is that Cameron Brewer called for Len Brown to be sacked”
    Not true.Brewer knows full well that the Mayor can’t be sacked. He was calling for a vote of no confidence in him.

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  19. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    And

    Three slices of bacon, two eggs, refried spuds, two fried tomatoes, two slices of toast, lashings of Worcestershire sauce and salt.

    Fuck the walk, its reading and cricket.

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  20. Pete George (21,798 comments) says:

    Runner-up quote of the year: “I had a Catholic priest tell me that I was supporting an unnatural act. I found that quite interesting coming from someone who has taken an oath of celibacy for his whole life.” – Maurice Williamson

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  21. freemark (324 comments) says:

    Saturday morning..a big load of fabricated steel goes out the factory door. Mined minerals, processed & transported with energy. Oversized loads travelling on good roads. Ships, trucks, aircraft contributed to the components, thousands of jobs created & sustained, taxes paid. Processed by our team, more than a few have the jobs because we could take a risk on them using the 90 day provisions. Guys who started on minimum wage have moved up the scale rapidly by showing up and doing the business, learning, improving their outcomes, feeding their families. They’ll go home tonight with a sense of achievement & pride, and won’t be killing their kids. Most of them making more than the owners at the moment, who have put their balls on the line and risked their houses to keep a business going through the recession. We’re building a massive piece of public infrastructure for Auckland, for cyclists & pedestrians, and even those that contribute absolutely nothing, or try to sabotage the country, will be welcome to enjoy it. Any Watermelons want to show up and start spouting luddite socialist crap at me..I’ll be here for a couple more hours…:)

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  22. eszett (2,264 comments) says:

    All_on_Red (710 comments) says:
    December 21st, 2013 at 9:39 am
    “The issue is that Cameron Brewer called for Len Brown to be sacked”
    Not true.Brewer knows full well that the Mayor can’t be sacked. He was calling for a vote of no confidence in him.

    He was calling on for Len to go, i.e. to resign:

    Cameron Brewer: For the best interests of Auckland he now needs to go. That is what the people of Auckland are calling for and that’s what I’m asking for.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11175458

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  23. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    Yet imagine the howls of outrage from people like you Pete if Maurice Williamson had sneered at,mocked and taunted Islam in his ‘hilarious’ speech….
    Or even Maori Spiritual beliefs- Imagine if he had made jokes about the Taniwha and taunted Maori? Would that still be the ‘speech of the year’?

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  24. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    Pete George

    Thanks for reminding us all about how “progressive” the National Party have become.Disrespect for Christianity being a hallmark of cultural Marxism.

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  25. alwyn (359 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay @ 9.42am
    Anyone who has that much for breakfast would find it impossible to get up from the table, much less manage to go for a walk.
    Did you eat it sitting in front of the TV, so that you could switch straight over to the cricket?

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  26. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Did you eat it sitting in front of the TV, so that you could switch straight over to the cricket?

    I have a 4 meter walk to the lounge from the desk top, ample exercise for the 1st day of the first holiday in two years

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  27. Oskar (33 comments) says:

    WineOh @9.03
    Now that the Wellington City Council has killed Christmas by not acknowledging it – it will be interesting to see whether they continue to acknowledge and support festivals such as the Indian Diwali, Chinese New Year and Matariki.
    But of course they are seen as “cultural” in their eyes Christmas is not “cultural”.

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  28. F E Smith (3,273 comments) says:

    Apropos to pretty much nothing, here are a couple of quotes on tolerance, via the Volokh Conspiracy (although the first one is taken from Reason.com):

    The advantages of classical liberal market cosmopolitanism–the idea that it’s best to set aside peaceful differences of opinion and creed and worries about different races, nationalities, and genders when deciding how we interact with the world–has a great track record of making us all richer and happier.

    The idea that that people should be punished with boycott or losing their jobs over having wrong beliefs hobbles the flowering of tolerant classical liberal market cosmopolitanism.

    There may have been a good reason why classical tolerance of expression was summed up in the epigram: “I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it!”

    That has a different feel than: “I disagree with what you say, I think you are evil for having said it, I think no one should associate with you and you ought to lose your livelihood, and anyone who doesn’t agree with me about all that is skating on pretty thin ice as well, but hey, I don’t think you should be arrested for it.”

    which allows Jonathan Adler to make the point that

    Too often people forget that the idea of tolerance presumes that there is something objectionable that must be tolerated.  Toleration is not the same thing as acceptance, yet in the name of the former, many people demand the latter.

    Both points that many people on the left and the right need to understand.

    Oh, and an update on my move to legalise polygamy/group marriage in NZ (just don’t tell my wife!): remember being mocked when using slippery slope arguments in the gay marriage debate?  Well, it turns out that Courts in the US and Aus reckon that you were right.

    So you should all join with me in supporting polygamy; after all, you wouldn’t want to be on the wrong side of history, would you now!

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  29. Pete George (21,798 comments) says:

    Yet imagine the howls of outrage from people like you Pete if Maurice Williamson had sneered at,mocked and taunted Islam in his ‘hilarious’ speech….

    Or even Maori Spiritual beliefs- Imagine if he had made jokes about the Taniwha and taunted Maori?

    Jesus Longknives, that’s a bit of an over-reaction isn’t it? Your imagination is running wild.

    It wasn’t mocking or taunting, it was pointing out a major irony about priests (and some here) who claim that homosexuality is unnatural. The Vatican, St Paul’s or Mecca – or taniwha – and many of their customs are far from natural, and it’s fair to point out that Catholic celibacy is no more natural than homosexuality.

    Disrespect for Christianity being a hallmark of cultural Marxism.

    Funny kowtow. Valid criticism is quite different to disrespect, your equating it with ‘cultural Marxism’ deserves disrespect, it’s laughable nonsense.

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  30. EAD (314 comments) says:

    Beautiful Article in todays Telegraph:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100251533/this-christmas-spare-a-thought-for-jesus-christ/

    “Most of the other deities who walked the Earth came as kings or warriors. But Jesus came as a little baby. Soft, pink, vulnerable. This was how God chose to reveal himself to the world, as one of us during a moment that is universal to all our lives. We are all born, we all die – and this Messiah was born with the express purpose of dying. The extraordinary thing about the holy infant is that we are looking at a child that is here for the express purpose of suffering. Not because God is a sadist but because God loves us so much that he would send his son to suffer and die alongside us and on our behalf. When you think of how much right God has to be angry with us, or how he could so easily let us rot, the story is all the more remarkable. It’s tangible, historical proof that there is an Almighty and he cares. Friend, you and I are not alone”

    “The birth of a child changes everything. For many people, it’s the moment when they most become aware of their responsibilities towards others – the adolescent ego has to give way to adult compassion. One of the reasons why the image of Jesus in the stable is so powerful is that it fills you less with awe than an instinct to protect: to pick the baby up in your arms and shield him against the cold and the demons. It’s a feeling embodied by the Virgin Mary – the second best mum in history, a little behind my own”

    Merry Christmas all

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  31. ChrisM (91 comments) says:

    Why is there no more mention of the Green Labour electricity policy? Wasn’t Argentina one of those countries that we were urged to emulate? Could it be because their system has collapsed?

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304773104579268453486465472

    First they set the fixed price they will buy power at. Then there is no investment in new generation. Then the power cuts start. So the government nationalises the companies at bargain basement prices because they are failing. Same thing is happening is Venezuela, another bastion of left leaning democracy. And we want to copy it!

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  32. dime (8,746 comments) says:

    ““I had a Catholic priest tell me that I was supporting an unnatural act. I found that quite interesting coming from someone who has taken an oath of celibacy for his whole life.” – Maurice Williamson”

    what an asshole.

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  33. Manolo (12,617 comments) says:

    Freedom of expression Chinese-style: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/19/chinese-journalists-ideology-exam-media

    Comrade Norman will be happy to implement this in NZ.

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  34. Manolo (12,617 comments) says:

    Williamson wouldn’t have the balls to mock Islam. The veteran trougher is useless, an utter waste of space.

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  35. Pete George (21,798 comments) says:

    It wasn’t a Muslim who was mocking gay marriage to Williamson.

    A simple unmocking question – what’s more unnatural, marrying someone of the same sex or marrying a god? And does it matter?

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  36. Manolo (12,617 comments) says:

    Having a good time with “donations”: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9542068/Foodbank-blew-cash-on-booze-junk-food

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  37. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    Pete Gayge’s

    pro gay Maurice propaganda would shame even the North Koreans.

    Anyone who watched Williamsons speech could not have failed to notice the mocking,insulting tone.

    Only a fool or propagandist could say otherwise.

    Which is Pete? Both?or another cultural Marxist like Gay Maurice.

    Remember attacking Christianity is a central tenet of Marxism.

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  38. Manolo (12,617 comments) says:

    This fine native deserves nothing short of a bullet, but gets “first strike” instead: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9537599/High-risk-rapist-gets-first-strike

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  39. SGA (516 comments) says:

    F E Smith at 10:21 am

    So you should all join with me in supporting polygamy; after all, you wouldn’t want to be on the wrong side of history, would you now!

    Only if it’s not an unnatural act :-)

    Actually, I imagine it could probably work quite well as an economic model for some households in today’s world. Some combination of full-time and part-time incomes, but with increased opportunity for “in-house” child care :-)

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  40. Bad__Cat (117 comments) says:

    When polygamy is discussed, most assume it’s the one male, many female version. Why? Now that many woman believe that they are worth at least as much as a man, it’s just as likely to go the other way. I suspect our patriarchal religious fundamentalists will hate that thought even more than same sex marriage.

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  41. Nookin (2,887 comments) says:

    At work today. Given that it is hosing down I don’t mind so much. It means I can only keep up with the cricket via cricinfo.
    Here is how one of the “commentators” describes McCullum

    “Mark Davis: “McCullum makes poor decisions on the field, can’t play spin, hasn’t got the temperament to play a controlled test innings and fairly consistently gets out playing irresponsible shots – which is why he’s the New Zealand captain and in the team as a batsman. Makes sense to me!” ”

    He played another stupid, irresponsible shot. Time for the ghost of Fred Allen to visit him.

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  42. SGA (516 comments) says:

    Bad__Cat at 11:39 am

    When polygamy is discussed, most assume it’s the one male, many female version. Why? Now that many woman believe that they are worth at least as much as a man, it’s just as likely to go the other way.

    You needn’t limit it to those options, as it turns out. You could have all members of the same sex, or a conjoint marriage of, to use a simple example, two men and two women.

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  43. F E Smith (3,273 comments) says:

    Bad Cat,

    When polygamy is discussed, most assume it’s the one male, many female version. Why?

    Because most people don’t understand that polygamy includes both polygny and polyandry, for some reason assuming that it refers only to the former.  Of course, with the advent of gay marriage in NZ, then the concept of group marriage also becomes a part of polygamy.

    Nookin,

    It means I can only keep up with the cricket via cricinfo.

    I was just reading that comment on cricinfo and thought pretty much the same as you.  Any success is despite McCullum, not because of.  I do like the look of this Anderson kid, though.

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  44. Scott Chris (5,675 comments) says:

    Oh, and an update on my move to legalise polygamy/group marriage in NZ (just don’t tell my wife!): remember being mocked when using slippery slope arguments in the gay marriage debate? Well, it turns out that Courts in the US and Aus reckon that you were right.

    So presumably the legalisation of same sex marriage preceded Abraham, Jacob, David and Solomon.

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  45. F E Smith (3,273 comments) says:

    So presumably the legalisation of same sex marriage preceded Abraham, Jacob, David and Solomon.

    I think I know what you are trying to say, but I wouldn’t accept such a premise anyway.

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  46. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    “I had a Catholic priest tell me that I was supporting an unnatural act. I found that quite interesting coming from someone who has taken an oath of celibacy for his whole life.” – Maurice Williamson”

    One could make the case that a woman choosing to go on a diet is as unnatural. Denying the body its impulses or gratifications for a good reason is not unnatural. Fitting a square peg into a round hole is.

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  47. SGA (516 comments) says:

    F E Smith at 11:49 am

    Of course, with the advent of gay marriage in NZ, then the concept of group marriage also becomes a part of polygamy.

    Not sure about that, FES. You can have a group marriage without it requiring a “gay” element, can’t you?

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  48. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    Not sure about that, FES. You can have a group marriage without it requiring a “gay” element, can’t you?

    I think he is making the case that we couldn’t have got to polygamy without first visiting gay marriage. One leads to the other; or rather, legalizing one opens the door for the other to come in. People think, well if gay marriage is alright, why not _______?

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  49. Colville (1,769 comments) says:

    Nookin.
    Good comment.
    McCullum gone for 12. Average around 12 in tests over the last 3 years. He should be gone.
    Meanwhile Taylor is rolling on to yet another ton. A player with a brain and a good coach. (Crowe)
    Taylors average in the series sofar is over 200. Not too bad :-)

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  50. SGA (516 comments) says:

    Fletch at 12:24 pm

    Not sure about that, FES. You can have a group marriage without it requiring a “gay” element, can’t you?
    I think he is making the case that we couldn’t have got to polygamy without first visiting gay marriage. One leads to the other; or rather, legalizing one opens the door for the other to come in. People think, well if gay marriage is alright, why not _______?

    I didn’t read it that way – FES will know what he meant.
    Anyhow, the idea that gay marriage is a necessary precursor of polygamy (i.e., “couldn’t have got to without first visiting”) doesn’t stack up historically.

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  51. F E Smith (3,273 comments) says:

    No, gay marriage is not a necessary pre-cursor of polygamy, but once you accept it as a logical possibility then the same arguments can pretty much be used for multiple-parter marriage. I am looking at what has actually happened, rather than the possibilities of what could have happened.

    That said, It is possible to argue for polygyny and polyandry without favouring gay marriage, howver once gay marriage is accepted then what SGA noted as conjoint, or group, marriage becomes possible, which means that the rights of the poly-amorous should surely become an issue, after all, why is their form of love discriminated against?

    It is marriage equality, people, not straight and gay marriage only equality!!!

    Or did I miss something in all of that? :D

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  52. SGA (516 comments) says:

    @ F E Smith at 12:44 pm
    Question just out of curiosity. Has it ever been illegal to live in a polgynist relationship (without being legally married to more than one person), or to live in a conjoint or polyandrist relationship (where the males aren’t engaged in homosexual acts)? My guess is not, but I don’t know the history of such laws.

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  53. OneTrack (1,957 comments) says:

    ChrisM – “, another bastion of left leaning democracy. And we want to copy it!”

    No “we” dont but there are a significant portion of our population who skipped Economics 101 (because it was boring) and want to test the theories again. Such tests always give the same answer but the blind faith that “because we are kiwis” that it will finally work this time, is touching.

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  54. F E Smith (3,273 comments) says:

    SGA,

    probably not, although in some US states it probably was. The Utah statute prohibited multiple person cohabitation, not just marriage. The only barrier to it would have been any laws against pre- or extra-marital intercourse.

    Given that sexual mores were more relaxed in times past (at least in the observance, if not the statute books) then it has probably happened. Consider, for example, the practices of many kings of France in having both a wife and an official mistress. I think that might qualify as polygyny in the manner that you use?

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  55. wat dabney (3,434 comments) says:

    Disrespect for Christianity being a hallmark of cultural Marxism.

    All dogs have four legs, therefore all animals with four legs are dogs.

    I give you the logic of the fake Christian.

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  56. SGA (516 comments) says:

    F E Smith at 1:12 pm

    Given that sexual mores were more relaxed in times past (at least in the observance, if not the statute books) then it has probably happened. Consider, for example, the practices of many kings of France in having both a wife and an official mistress. I think that might qualify as polygyny in the manner that you use?

    Yes, I guess it would. Thanks for the reply. It wouldn’t surprise me if acceptance of such things varied depending on local circumstances as well (e.g., disproportionately more females than males as a result of war, say). Somewhere or other I think I read that post-WWII USSR saw a more passive acceptance of single mothers (but don’t quote me on that) – whether that extended to less orthodox living arrangements, however, I have no idea.

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  57. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    I’ve had multiple people complain to me recently about the ‘un-christmas’ around Wellington this year. No Xmas tree in Midland Park, no Tree in Chaffers park, no counil xmas decorations, no xmas flags on the streetsides. I honestly hadn’t noticed until it had been pointed out to me. We let the greens in charge for 10 minutes and they kill santa?

    “The Wellington Council can’t find the money for a civic Christmas tree, but only last month forked out $24,000 of ratepayer funds for a new logo,” said Jordan Williams, executive director of the NZ Taxpayers’ Union, today.

    “While we usually applaud Council efforts to save money, surely a civic tree to help Wellingtonians get into the Christmas spirit isn’t too much to ask.

    “Ratepayers expect festive decorations, not lame ‘spot prizes’ such as rubbish bags. What’s next, family passes to the landfill?”

    Mr Williams was responding to Katie Chapman’s report in the DomPost this morning that the city council is spending its $20,000 yuletide budget on entertainment and spot prizes instead of the usual Christmas trees and decorations. The report also said that Mayor Wade-Brown wants a Christmas tree put back in Midland Park and has “asked staff to see what they could do.”

    http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=62885

    Bah, humbug!
    What about visitors and tourists?

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  58. wikiriwhis business (3,276 comments) says:

    Ministry wants to bite into dog food bill

    After putting the squeeze on public servants, the Government is now putting the bite on its dogs.

    The Ministry of Primary Industries has gone to the market to find a supplier of puppy and dog food for the estimated 800 to 900 dogs on Government leashes – sniffing around air travellers, chasing crooks, doing guard duty and mustering sheep.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9542098/Ministry-wants-to-bite-into-dog-food-bill

    Beehive double chins are looking for areas to squeeze in another pay rise and those doing
    productive work are paying for it.

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  59. wikiriwhis business (3,276 comments) says:

    ‘“I had a Catholic priest tell me that I was supporting an unnatural act. I found that quite interesting coming from someone who has taken an oath of celibacy for his whole life.” – Maurice Williamson”

    Lets remember, most of the apostles were married men.

    The RC Church selects their own scriptures to suit their idol worshipping

    The ten commandmenets definitely forbids the worshipping of idols yet the RC breaks this every day.

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  60. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    wkiwhatever

    Yep let’s remember the apostles were married men,but also remember they weren’t “married ” to other men!

    Marriage is between a man and a woman.

    The new stuff is simply cultural Marxism.

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  61. wikiriwhis business (3,276 comments) says:

    Orana cubs cheat ill health

    A pre-Christmas miracle has given Orana Wildlife Park cheetah stocks a much-needed boost.

    Two 7-week-old male cubs, nicknamed Boo and Lion, were among a litter of four born to mother Mazza.

    Their two siblings died and there were fears Boo and Lion may also not survive. A litter of five born earlier in the year had all died.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9542151/Orana-cubs-cheat-ill-health

    Absolute proof of divine design

    Did you know Tigers have eye patterns behind their ears to scare off predators.

    Who put them there?

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  62. wikiriwhis business (3,276 comments) says:

    ‘Marriage is between a man and a woman.’

    Absolutely no argument here.

    Gay supporting churches are obviously Marxist themselves and will bow to the Chinese when they take over.

    Both sides of the house support Chinese vested interests.

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  63. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    But to the unmarried people and to the widows, I declare that it is well (good, advantageous, expedient, and wholesome) for them to remain [single] even as I do. But if they have not self-control (restraint of their passions), they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame [with passion and tortured continually with ungratified desire] ~ 1 Corinthians 8-9 – AMP

    I remember when I was a kid, my family lived in a small town next door to a Presbyterian minister and his wife. He told my mother one day in confidence that even though he loved his wife, if he had the chance he would not get married again because a man’s attention is divided between his family and the church.

    There is nothing that forces a man to become a Catholic priest. They have the freedom to choose to be one or not. And they know that that entails celibacy. A relative of mine is becoming a priest. It is his choice.

    For more read – http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/TEACHPC.htm
    http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/WCRB.htm

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  64. Colville (1,769 comments) says:

    Did you know Tigers have eye patterns behind their ears to scare off predators.

    Predators? What drugs are you on?

    A tiger is a 3 meter long, 300 kilo big fuck off feline thing with huge teeth! Unless you have a great white shark that can run at 50 km/hr what the fuck is going to even look at a tiger in an angry tone?

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  65. Colville (1,769 comments) says:

    Taylor out for 131. Dammit!

    Ha then Southee smacks a six.

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  66. wikiriwhis business (3,276 comments) says:

    Colville

    rotfl

    never the less, the eye markings are still there.

    Possible I’m talking about a smaller cat. hahahaha

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  67. wikiriwhis business (3,276 comments) says:

    Hamilton mum makes supreme sacrifice for son

    “I was getting ready to die,” she says, matter of factly. “We were getting everything ready for the funeral and I was getting ready to die.”

    The family and doctors met to discuss what to do. For Matthias to be born healthy, she was told she would need to make it to 28 weeks. She decided to start chemotherapy again.

    The effect the chemotherapy, radiation and scans will have on her son, no one will know until he is born, she says.

    All along, the doctors wanted her to abort the baby – even at 23 weeks.

    But Mrs Doolabh couldn’t. She says she is morally opposed to abortion.

    “You can’t just kill a baby.”

    The family will have Christmas together – in the hospital.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/9542154/Hamilton-mum-makes-supreme-sacrifice-for-son

    Ultimate anti abortion statement. The pro choice killer segment will remain silent.

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  68. Nookin (2,887 comments) says:

    “Ha then Southee smacks a six.”

    Then a four and then goes out. Is this 20/20 or a test match. I guess you cannot tell by watching the captain’s example

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  69. Colville (1,769 comments) says:

    Nookin.
    Exactly my thoughts.

    Southee thinks..”shit our best batsman just got out…I know…full out attack is what our Captian would do!!”

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  70. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    Oh look,more cultural diversity that enriches us all so much.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/286051/warning-sex-case-judge

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  71. Ed Snack (1,535 comments) says:

    I see that in the USA the administration has decreed that some people are exempt from paying taxes under laws passed by Congress. That is, the “financial penalty” that was ruled to be constitutional ONLY because it was actually a tax that is part of the ACA won’t be enforced against people who vote democrat, no sorry, who are deemed too poor to do so.

    So I wonder what other taxes Obama will now decree are only payable by people who don’t vote for him and his ? And I wonder just where he thinks he has the authority to decide who does and doesn’t pay taxes.

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  72. Scott Chris (5,675 comments) says:

    Did you know Tigers have eye patterns behind their ears to scare off predators.

    Who put them there?

    Presumably you mean tiger cubs. Anyway, no one put the pattern there. It was produced by a random mutation countless generations ago which simply meant that the cubs that first bore those patterns and their progeny were/are more likely to survive than those without the pattern.

    It’s called natural selection.

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  73. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    wart dumbneys four legged dogs logic reminds me of the old Animal Farm quote.

    All marriages are equal but homo marriages are more equal than others.

    Apologies to Eric Blair.

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  74. Reid (15,513 comments) says:

    http://rt.com/usa/obama-rating-worst-since-nixon-447/

    This is not surprising given his actions to date and you ain’t seen nothing yet. Personally I thought it would be impossible to find someone worse than Bush 43, unless it was Bush 41. But lo. They did.

    Proving once again to anyone with eyes that politics is a controlled punch and judy game for the useful idiots at which agendas play out that no-one voted for and in which both sides are almost exclusively comprised of compromised, corrupt puppets.

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  75. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    The First Magi walks into the manger and whacks his forehead on the low doorway.

    “Oooh Jesus!” he exclaims.

    Joseph quickly remarks.

    “Write that down Mary, it’s better than Brian”. :)

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  76. ShawnLH (1,865 comments) says:

    “Disrespect for Christianity being a hallmark of cultural Marxism.”

    Exactly right. But most CM advocates have no clue that they are in fact dupes of the Frankfurt School. Still trapped in the Matrix.

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  77. thedavincimode (6,102 comments) says:

    My my kowtow. The same bitter bare-faced racist masquerading as a Christian. Will G** be proud of your work today kowtow? Will you lie to your priest tomorrow kowtow? Will you snivel on your knees and lie through your teeth?

    Do you really think you’re on to something there kowtow? Do you think that if we got rid of the curry-munchers, the chinks, the gooks, the horis and the PIs, our newly white society would be rape-free? You don’t really do you – it’s only about racism and hypocrisy and the fact that you are a bitter failure of a little man.

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  78. Manolo (12,617 comments) says:

    A must read for aspiring do-gooders:

    The woeful inadequacy of their upbringing, education, and outlook becomes apparent to them, perhaps for the first time.

    “What are you interested in?” I ask. The question comes like a warning shot.
    “Well . . . nothing, really,” they reply. They recognize the unsatisfactory nature of their answer—which is all too truthful—at once.
    “Did you try hard at school?”
    “No.”
    “What did you do instead?”
    “Messed around, like everyone else.”

    Their peers discouraged, sometimes by physical violence, those few who showed some inclination to work. To have resisted the prevailing ethos would have required exceptional courage, as well as parental backing, which was invariably missing. It was better to go along with the crowd and enjoy the illicit pleasures of the moment. It didn’t really matter: after all, there would always be enough to eat, a roof over one’s head, and a television to watch, thanks to subventions from the state.

    In the absence of an interest or career, motherhood seems a good choice: only later does it become clear just how entrapping it is, especially when the father—predictably, but not predictedly—takes no share of parental duties.

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/7_3_oh_to_be.html

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  79. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    ” Do you think that if we got rid of the curry-munchers, the chinks, the gooks, the horis and the PIs, ….”

    Steady on there Leonardo. If we got rid of all the Gooks,Chinks, and Curry-Munchers all our convienience shops would only be open 8/5 instead of 24/7.

    Who the fuck would the Hori’s and PI’s hold up then? :)

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  80. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    dadildomode

    Clearly one who got the memo ,embrace multiculturalism,it’s so enriching.Feel the diversity! It makes for such a great society.

    Here’s some more of it.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2525313/Muslim-converts-guilty-murdering-Private-Lee-Rigby.html

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  81. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Good grief kowtow. Thanks for the link. The woman of my dreams has been scorned. I sent her a recipe for my rack of lamb recently and have never heard back. Now I understand! :)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2527268/Wrath-domestic-goddess-As-aides-cleared-fraud-Nigellas-fury-ridiculous-sideshow-court.html

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  82. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    I thought you were a man of the world ,don’t tell me this is the first you’ve heard of Nigella’s travails?

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  83. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I have always assumed one as voluptuous as her was entirely innocent till now kowtow! :)

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  84. duggledog (1,103 comments) says:

    And the replacement for Chris Laidlaw on Sunday mornings RNZ is…

    Wallace Chapmen.

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  85. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    johnboy

    Naughty Nigella compilation.

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  86. Reid (15,513 comments) says:

    embrace multiculturalism,it’s so enriching

    Diversity is code for destruction of the Judeo-Christian aka White society. Notice how the only group that doesn’t have a group of lefty advocates are white males? The only reason white females have advocates is because of the feminist slant, which is actually designed to degrade and destroy women, not uphold them. But it’s all lies. They all claim they’re doing it for the human wights of the particular group concerned. That’s just propaganda for the useful idiots, same as the propaganda Iswael uses when it whales on the goy. Same principle, simply a different arena.

    The common thread both have is that any criticism of the protagonist – Iswael or feminism or positive action or whatever, is used by them to claim you’re just a gweat big meanie who doesn’t care about the poor widdle victim. And all the useful idiots gather round the meme and bray and bray and bray. Just like some of you are probably thinking about doing after just reading this comment.

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  87. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Whoar…she could my morning bacon and eggs whenever she liked kowtow!! :)

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  88. Reid (15,513 comments) says:

    I have always assumed one as voluptuous as her was entirely innocent till now kowtow!

    I think she is Johnboy. It’s just her wanker husband was so outraged she had the temerity to leave him – HIM – that the wanker decided to destroy her career for this terrible crime against such a one. Him and Len have lots in common, in the narcissistic personality disorder dept.

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  89. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I’ll never believe that her creamy cupcakes are corrupt Reid! :)

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  90. Colville (1,769 comments) says:

    The Windies are 3 down for 13. :-)

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  91. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    duggledog

    That’s Wallace Chapperson,he wouldn’t have got the job unless equality was foremost on the agenda.

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  92. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    Len Brown’s favourite tune.I like Chinese.

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  93. wreck1080 (3,522 comments) says:

    “More than 250 staff at MidCentral District Health Board are earning less than the living wage, a number the union representing health sector workers has described as “an absolute scandal”

    Stupid union & stupid people.

    How on earth is this a scandal?

    Last time I checked, the ‘living wage’ is just some number dreamt up by some turkey.

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  94. Nostradamus (2,758 comments) says:

    Colville:

    The Windies are 3 down for 13

    Make that 40/4.

    Someone should check whether Nookin is working or pretending to work :)

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  95. Nostradamus (2,758 comments) says:

    And as WI crash to 46/5… the Vatican XI is actively recruiting:

    Let the holy war begin. The holy war of cricket, that is.

    The Church of England on Friday formally took up the Vatican’s challenge to settle scores on the cricket pitch nearly 500 years after the two Churches split.

    Last October, the Vatican formed the St Peter’s Cricket Club, a league composed of teams of priests and seminarians from Catholic colleges and seminaries in Rome.

    The best players will form a Vatican team, called the “Vatican XI”, and challenge the Church of England to form its own team of Anglican priests and seminarians to play in London at Lord’s, the home of cricket.

    Asked if a combination of sports diplomacy and inter-religious dialogue could help improve relations between the two Churches, which split in 1534 when King Henry VIII broke with Rome, Moxon said: “It will introduce a conversation piece all over the world whenever Catholics and Anglicans get together,” he said.

    “I think it can only do good and increase the bonds of affection we have for each other.”

    When a reporter suggested that, given the historical baggage both Churches are carrying, the umpire should perhaps be a Muslim, a Jew or even a atheist, Moxon laughed and said: “As long as he is fair.”

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  96. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Finding a real fair-headed Jew or Muslim could be a worry.

    There are a few muzzies in Scandinavia now. Perhaps if we can wait a few generations! :)

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  97. Nostradamus (2,758 comments) says:

    Johnboy:

    Do you suppose that sledging would be allowed? With 500 years of differences between the two churches, I imagine the players would have quite a bit to say…

    As Moxon said, “I think it can only do good and increase the bonds of affection we have for each other”. He was talking about good sledging of course!

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  98. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    What do you suppose they will call the trophy at stake?

    “The Ashes” has already been taken. :)

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  99. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Would be a bit unfair Nostradamus. Scandinavians have sledged for centuries.

    Arabs never developed the sledge even though the great sand dunes of the Sahara should have made it obvious to them.

    I put it down to their religion discouraging drawing images and glorifying Camel love! :)

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  100. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    How about “The Popers” nasska! :)

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  101. Manolo (12,617 comments) says:

    Johnboy, I knew all along you were part of Team Nigella. Who could blame you?
    A weakness for rubenesque figures is never a sin.

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  102. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    All women should have a body like hers Manolo! :)

    Being able to cook like her would also be a bonus but not really necessary!! :) :)

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  103. Ross12 (927 comments) says:

    Well it is starting to hit the fan in the UK with it’s stupid energy policy. Many have been saying this would happen for a number of years now. Now it’s nearly there.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/10528157/Hundreds-of-businesses-to-be-paid-to-switch-off-to-prevent-blackouts.html

    In last 30 days the UK imported more GW ( electricity) from Holland and France Interconnectors than it’s own wind industry produced. It is not the peak of winter yet!! So much for their much vaunted renewable electricity industry. I hope Norman & co take note. No wonder Germany is quietly building coal fired power stations as fast as it can.

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  104. Tom Jackson (2,235 comments) says:

    We’re building a massive piece of public infrastructure for Auckland, for cyclists & pedestrians, and even those that contribute absolutely nothing, or try to sabotage the country, will be welcome to enjoy it. Any Watermelons want to show up and start spouting luddite socialist crap at me..I’ll be here for a couple more hours…:)

    I’ll bite.

    Public infrastructure is generally paid for by taxation. Your company is sucking at the public teat, and denying a genuine wealth creator the opportunity to set a market price for said piece of infrastructure. :)

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  105. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I can see the coal trains powering up behind 5 DX’s to drag the coal over the hump to Lytellton for on-shipment to Germany! :)

    Rot in hell Norman and your scum! :)

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  106. Tom Jackson (2,235 comments) says:

    How on earth is this a scandal?

    Last time I checked, the ‘living wage’ is just some number dreamt up by some turkey.

    Generally, it’s what is required to live a decent life and provide one for your children. In New Zealand, the government tends to provide welfare supplements such as WFF to offset low wages, so you are already paying for it as well as subsidising inefficient businesses.

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  107. OneTrack (1,957 comments) says:

    “So much for their much vaunted renewable electricity industry. I hope Norman & co take note. ”

    I am sure they are. It would go something like this – “Excellent, our master plan is working. Soon we will be back to the pre-industrial age. All hail to Gaia”

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  108. Manolo (12,617 comments) says:

    The WSJ opines: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304367204579270252042143502

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  109. Nostradamus (2,758 comments) says:

    Goodness – WI now 103/9.

    Looks like some showers forecast tomorrow. Hopefully the NZ team has learnt something from the unforgivable draw in Dunedin – don’t stuff around blocking – get the winning runs quickly!

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  110. wat dabney (3,434 comments) says:

    The new stuff is simply cultural Marxism.

    If Marxism means anything it means controlling other people’s lives and dictating what they can and can’t do.

    So will you fake and hypocritical “Christians” please stop with your cultural Marxism.

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  111. Jack5 (4,216 comments) says:

    Time for a new General Debate bone to gnaw on.

    One for the wowsers!

    The Economist in a December 21 praises Scotland for raising booze prices with the setting of Government-mandated minimum prices.

    It says:

    Including lost output, the harm from alcohol costs Europe and America around 1.5 per cent of national income.

    The Scottish Government is fixing a minimum price for all alcohol drinks per unit of alcohol.

    This is hitting strong and cheap drinks, reportedly trebling the price of some supermarket ciders and pushing up cheap vodka by about eight NZ dollars a bottle and of some whiskies by about $7 a bottle.

    The Guardian reported Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s Minister of Health, as saying a minimum price was essential to help tackle the high death toll and health burden from alcohol abuse in Scotland, which drinks 25 per cent more per head of population than the rest of the UK.

    IMHO, Scotland’s problem may be genetic, as other far-north Europeans such as the Scandinavians and Russians and the Irish have big booze problems. If the anecdotes I hear are accurate, researchers might well be able to find that Southlanders and Otago-ans include a higher proportion of pissheads than most NZ groups.

    Some other groups are noted for being prone to alcohol problems, including North American Indians, Melanesians, and Polynesians. Some people think this may be because these groups, and perhaps far-north Europeans, have had alcohol in their societies for far less time than say Jews, Chinese, and Italians, who have lived with the joys and perils of alcohol for millenia. The thinking is that over many centuries in these latter societies, without welfare and the Salvation Army and other do-gooders, evolution thinned out many or most alcoholics.

    Cheers!

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  112. wat dabney (3,434 comments) says:

    Scottish MPs will soon find that minimum alcohol pricing is illegal under EU law.

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  113. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    That’s bloody sad wat.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRjyLbSDJz8

    Scotland forever! :)

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  114. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    wart dumney

    It’s about “equality”.

    Gender,sexual,etc

    Marxism seeks to destroy capitalism and the route now is through cultural Marxism.

    If you fail to see that due to your blind hatred of Christianity,that is your problem/

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  115. wat dabney (3,434 comments) says:

    kowtow,

    It’s about liberty.

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  116. Scott Chris (5,675 comments) says:

    All women should have a body like hers Manolo!

    Bet she lets her garden run wild too Johnboy. Nice and wooly.

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  117. ShawnLH (1,865 comments) says:

    “it’s about liberty”

    Who’s version of “liberty”?

    There is no real liberty in NZ. We are a Liberal theocracy ruled by Cultural Marxists and perverts.

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  118. Scott Chris (5,675 comments) says:

    Len Brown’s favourite tune:

    Or this:

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  119. ShawnLH (1,865 comments) says:

    The march of Cultural Marxism in Liberal Democracy continues :

    “Feminist scholar Arielle Schlesinger has embarked on a radical new project to transform the world of computing by doing research into the creation of a feminist programming language that will be freed from the constraints of oppressive man-logic and other patriarchal modes of thinking.”

    http://alternativeright.com/blog/category/the-hilarity-of-postmodernism-feminist-programming-languages

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  120. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    ShawnLH

    Short of anarchism there’s not much chance of pure freedom or liberty in a human society. Some rules & social norms are the oil that lubricates our day to day dealings with our fellow men. The trick is minimising law to the least possible & reigning in the excesses of those who seek to represent us.

    Having been brought up in the 50′s I reckon that I’ve seen over vigorous political rule & over vigorous religious influence in the affairs of NZ citizens. Probably a little of each is about ideal. NZ has developed into a centrist & secular nation.

    It seems to me that we’ve got it about right.

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  121. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    That’s brought a tear to my eye nasska. I think you should write a book about the best days of NZ before they are buried under a plethora of political correctness and newspeak culture.

    Don’t forget to mention the strength of NZR cups eh! :)

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  122. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    How about “Nostagia NZ” for a working title JB? :)

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  123. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    It’s worth a shot nasska but I think it might have already been taken! :)

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  124. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Ask Judith. She’ll know! :)

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  125. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    She’s not talking at the mo. I suspect I’ve upset her! :)

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  126. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Writing your vast extravaganza of a novel in a darkened doorway opposite a brightly lit nightclub could give it serious angst nasska. Sort of Hemmingwayesque so to speak! :)

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  127. Nostradamus (2,758 comments) says:

    Johnboy:

    What did you do to upset Judith? Oh, don’t tell me, you said mean things about Bain, didn’t you? :)

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  128. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Not at all old chap I merely asked her if she was a teacher based on a comment she made.

    I suspect she is and feels like a complete heel from not supporting Hekia properly so has gone into a bit of a huff.

    I’m sure she will recover shortly.

    Nice of you to be concerned I’m sure! :)

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  129. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    No way JB….I’ve heard that brightly lit nightclub exteriors situated opposite darkened doorways rival ‘no man’s land’ between WW1 trenches for mortal danger. :)

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  130. Nostradamus (2,758 comments) says:

    Johnboy:

    You certainly seem to have a way with the ladies – first Penny Bright, now Judith! Who’s next – Harriet? Even though it’s supposedly a guy using a girl’s name? Does that interest you?

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  131. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Mere dalliances Nostradamus. Yvette was my one true love! :)

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  132. Nostradamus (2,758 comments) says:

    You and Yvette seemed to enjoy Spanish as I recall Johnboy (if you know what I mean…)

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  133. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I have to say though that the thought of Lucia in her boots has saved me from using so much Viagra! :)

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  134. stigie (618 comments) says:

    Fuck, the mind boggles you guys !

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  135. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Yvette and I did a lot of French not Spanish Nostradamus! :)

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  136. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    What does a South Auckland girl put behind her ears to make her
    more attractive?
    Her ankles.

    What is the difference between a South Auckland girl & an
    elephant?
    About 20kg.
    How do you equalize the two?
    Feed the elephant.

    What’s the first things a South Auckland girl does in the morning?
    She introduces herself.
    Then she walks home.

    How do you get a South Auckland girl into your bed?
    Grease her hips so she’ll fit through the door &
    throw a bucket of Kentucky Fried onto the duvet.

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  137. stigie (618 comments) says:

    Ole Reddy must be due any day soon ?

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  138. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    He could be a bit longer yet stigie….last time it took about a year before he slithered back on his belly hoping that no one would notice. :)

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  139. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    A Labour lesbian introduces the biggest change to marriage this country has ever seen,all in the name of “equality”.A good proportion of the Notional parliamentary party support it and here posters who claim to be on the right of the political spectrum
    say “It seems to me we’ve got it about right” and “it’s about liberty”.

    Lenin would be proud of his “useful idiots”.

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  140. stigie (618 comments) says:

    I reckon he will be back sooner than that Nassie as election year is just about upon us.

    He wont be able to help himself if you are nice to him ole chap !!~

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  141. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I’d luv to know who is giving me all the downthumbs?

    I’d suspect it’s that little wanking turd nosti-nz but who knows? :)

    Come and tell me whoever you are.

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  142. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    I was a bit concerned by the scaremongering leading up to the legislation enabling gay marriage kowtow.

    Imagine the relief that I now feel when I realise that my marriage is exactly the same as it was a year ago. :)

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  143. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    If the powers that be decide you have to divorce your wife and marry a chap nasska give me a call.

    I’m sure we could be mutually compatible! :)

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  144. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    ….”I reckon he will be back sooner than that”…

    Not a chance stigie…..he’s happy at Twitter tweeting like a tween.

    Keep it to yourself but Justin Bieber & baity are others’ favourites. :)

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  145. stigie (618 comments) says:

    Hells bells, Johnboy and Nasska. Cant fault that !

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  146. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    ….”If the powers that be decide you have to divorce your wife and marry a chap”…..

    It seems that the insertion of a small clause into the legislation to the effect that gay Marriage be compulsory rather than voluntary is planned in the near future.

    Do you think that kowtow & the rest of the Godwhacks know? :)

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  147. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I only have a small clause that I get to insert so it all seems OK with me really.

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  148. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    ….:Hells bells, Johnboy and Nasska. Cant fault that”…..

    Not a hope stigie…..it would never work.

    JB’s a Pisces & I’m a Scorpio. :)

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  149. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Fuck off nasska. I’m a Capricorn. Never take a chance on a randy old goat! :)

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  150. thedavincimode (6,102 comments) says:

    LOL, kowtow, a tragic bitter hypocritical little fuck – so the rest of us don’t have to be!! :)

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  151. thedavincimode (6,102 comments) says:

    It seems that the insertion of a small clause into the legislation to the effect that gay Marriage rampant bum sex be compulsory rather than voluntary is planned in the near future.

    I think that’s what you meant to say nasska!

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  152. stigie (618 comments) says:

    So it wasnt santa clause then ?

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  153. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    If I could turn back the clock I would phrase that way Davinci. :)

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  154. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    No need to worry about your piles when the socialists force us to marry nasska. I only bum sheep! :)

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  155. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Judith has gone very quiet. Perhaps I hit a nerve with the “Teacher” gambit? :)

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  156. thedavincimode (6,102 comments) says:

    JB

    She’s busy stabbing pins into her Metcalph doll.

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  157. stigie (618 comments) says:

    I think shes pissed off with you Johnboy, the same as Reddy is pissed off with Nasska !

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  158. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Cant imagine why she should be pissed with me. I always ask her questions politely!

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  159. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Oh. The JB thumbs down monster seems to have fucked off.

    Does Nosti-nz have to go to bed by 8:30 as part of his parole conditions? :)

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  160. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Oh no he has just woken up again. :)

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  161. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    You’ve missed the last two old chap! :)

    Make that three! :)

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  162. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Give it to me babe. I want a minus experience and I want it NOW!! :)

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  163. Viking2 (10,703 comments) says:

    that’ll be Reddy stalking ya JB 8O

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  164. stigie (618 comments) says:

    Beware of Reddy JB !!

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  165. Viking2 (10,703 comments) says:

    Jay and Micheal worked together and both were laid off, so they went to the unemployment office. When asked his occupation, Jay answered, “Panty Stitcher. I sew the elastic onto ladies’ cotton panties.”

    The clerk looked up Panty Stitcher. Finding it classified as “unskilled labor,” she gave him $300 a week unemployment pay.

    Micheal was asked his occupation. “Diesel Fitter,” he replied. Since diesel fitter was a skilled job, the clerk gave Michael Sweet $600 a week.

    When Jay Marshall found out he was furious. He stormed back into the office to find out why his friend and co-worker was collecting double his pay.

    The clerk explained, “Panty stitchers are unskilled and diesel fitters are skilled labor”

    “What skill?!” yelled Jay. “I sew the elastic on the panties, Michael puts them over his head and says: ‘Yep, diesel fitter.’”

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  166. ShawnLH (1,865 comments) says:

    nasska,

    “Short of anarchism there’s not much chance of pure freedom or liberty in a human society. Some rules & social norms are the oil that lubricates our day to day dealings with our fellow men.”

    Of course. But who sets those rules and norms? The State? Fickle, ever changing democratic majorities? The pretense of democracy that is anything but?

    Who decides? And what qualifies them to do so?

    The reality is that the State is larger and more intrusive than ever before. Far from having it “about right” we have become serfs and slaves to a Leviathan State that tolerates only a very small amount of democracy while retaining most decisions to itself.

    We live in Liberal theocracy that tolerates no real, serious descent from the Liberal status-quo.

    Anarcho-Capitalism is the only answer. The State must go.

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  167. Viking2 (10,703 comments) says:

    All the organs of the body were having a meeting, trying to decide who was in charge.
    The brain said: “I should be in charge, because I run all the body’s systems, so without me nothing would happen.”
    “I should be in charge,” said the heart, “because I pump the blood and circulate oxygen all over the body, so without me you’d all waste away.”
    “I should be in charge,” said the stomach, “because I process food and give all of you energy.”
    “I should be in charge,” said the rectum, “because I’m responsible for waste removal.”
    All the other body parts laughed at the rectum and insulted him, so in a huff, he shut down tight. Within a few days, the brain had a terrible headache, the stomach was bloated, and the blood was toxic. Eventually the other organs gave in. They all agreed that the rectum should be the boss.

    The moral of the story? You don’t have to be smart or important to be in charge… just an asshole.

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  168. Viking2 (10,703 comments) says:

    A Russian couple was walking down the street in St Petersburg when the man
    felt a drop hit his nose. “I think it’s raining,” he said to his wife.

    “No, that felt more like snow to me.” She replied.

    “No, I’m sure it was just rain, “ he said. They were about to have a major
    argument when they saw a communist party official walking towards them.

    “Let’s not fight about it, “the man said. “Let’s ask Comrade Rudolph
    whether it’s officially raining or snowing”.

    As the official approached, the man said “Tell us, Comrade Rudolph
    whether it is officially raining or snowing?”

    “It’s raining of course,” he answered and walked on. But the woman insisted
    “I know that felt like snow!”

    To which the man replied quietly,

    “Rudolph the Red knows rain, dear!

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  169. gump (1,228 comments) says:

    @kowtow

    “A Labour lesbian introduces the biggest change to marriage this country has ever seen,all in the name of “equality”.A good proportion of the Notional parliamentary party support it and here posters who claim to be on the right of the political spectrum
    say “It seems to me we’ve got it about right” and “it’s about liberty”.

    ———————–

    The issue of marriage equality has nothing to do with the political left or the political right.

    That’s probably why you can’t understand it.

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