General Debate 27 December 2013

December 27th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    Hope, change, and new taxes: http://nypost.com/2013/12/25/new-obamacare-fees-coming-in-2014/

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  2. Longknives (4,051 comments) says:

    Just fucking disgusting..I’m surprised any tourists come here at all anymore-

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9555408/German-tourists-have-nightmare-injuries

    “IS NZ A SAFE DESTINATION?

    Many overseas visitors see New Zealand as a safe travel destination, but violent attacks on tourists in recent years paint a chilling picture.

    October 2013: French couple sleeping in a Napier car park attacked and pistol-whipped.

    July 2013: Two tourists assaulted and robbed while in a hot pool near Rotorua.

    April 2013: Three English tourists sleeping in their car in Paihia robbed at knifepoint. A Canadian tourist also assaulted and robbed. November 2012: Two Austrian tourists assaulted with a bottle and robbed in Palmerston North.

    August 2012: Female tourist indecently assaulted near Taupo backpackers’ hostel.

    July 2012: Two French tourists assaulted and robbed hitch-hiking from Mt Maunganui to Rotorua.

    May 2012: Czech woman murdered while hitch-hiking to Timaru.

    May 2012: Two tourists stabbed by a Taupo teenager.

    December 2011: A 5-year-old Belgian girl staying in a Turangi campground with parents assaulted and raped by a local teenager.

    December 2010: A German tourist knocked unconscious and robbed in Queenstown.

    June 2010: A Czech tourist stabbed in Motueka backpackers.”

    May 2010: Three French tourists staying in a campervan in Northland attacked and robbed.”

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  3. hj (5,720 comments) says:

    In the Shadow of Rising Towers, Laments of Lost Sunlight in New York

    Having to live in someone else’s shadow is one of the risks of being a New Yorker. Yet for untold thousands, this vexing state of affairs is literally true. In a city forever sprouting new buildings, the quest to reach higher often comes at the cost of stealing somebody else’s light.

    The 1916 zoning code mandated that tall buildings have setbacks, resulting in ziggurat-style structures resembling giant, layered wedding cakes.

    The revamped code of 1961 encouraged more plazas and arcades, like those at the Seagram Building and at Lincoln Center, which ended up being windswept and largely unused.

    Such guidelines pale compared with those in place in Japan, where enormous importance is placed upon a property’s access to sunlight. There, the shadows of buildings cannot be cast on other buildings for more than a set amount of hours a day, with the minimum requirement being set on winter solstice.

    In New York, however, focus was placed on building higher. In the 1960s, the city was rezoned to accommodate expectations that its population would swell to 12 million to 16 million people. This meant that for nearly every tract of land there exists an invisible outline delineating how much farther a building set there could grow.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/20/nyregion/in-the-shadow-of-rising-towers-laments-of-lost-sunlight-in-new-york.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

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  4. hj (5,720 comments) says:

    Cont:
    What is it about the Japanese society that they value the fabric of society at all levels (versus what a person is worth financially)? We see the same libertarian values espoused here disguised as “property rights” and “spontaneous order” (in the urban form)..

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  5. RF (1,141 comments) says:

    Longknives. Is there a common denominator in these attacks. Perhaps the offenders originate from a Stone Age race. Hush my mouth I could be wrong.. But then again….

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  6. duggledog (1,119 comments) says:

    Longknives

    I posted about this yesterday. Good thing about the new electronic social media is this stuff gets talked about – more and more travellers from all over the world are starting to realise NZ is not necessarily the place to let your guard down.

    I took the Scottish in laws to Tane Mahuta a couple of years ago. At the car park I was approached by a big fat bro in a shitty old wagon who said look out for car thieves, for a couple of dollars I’ll keep an eye on yours for you. They call that extortion in some countries, when I went to the visitor centre in Kaitaia to complain they all knew the bugger and fully supported his dodgy little side earner

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  7. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    Police yesterday had four people in custody, including a woman and two juveniles, and were seeking a fifth person in connection with what they called an “appalling” attack.

    These are the beasts who welcome visitors to our country.

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  8. Harriet (4,013 comments) says:

    “…….Bastiat (1801-1850) was a French contemporary of Tocqueville (1805-1859) and truly two of the greatest French “libertarian” forces in history. The former was a wonderful economic mind who understood the fallacies in his “That Which is Seen and That Which is Not Seen” that is at the basis of our government growth, and his “Broken Window Fallacy” advocating war to goose the economy, while Tocqueville was the great social scientist of the age.

    Tocqueville also wrote a little known pamphlet “Memoirs on Pauperism” that catalog the proportional increase in dependency as charity was usurped by the State.

    England, since Henry VIII’s daughter Elizabeth took public charity as her cause, had a greater distribution of wealth than continental Europe, as the rich grew richer with industriousness and commerce while their paupers became more lazy and self-proclaimed victims.
    The social impact was that prior to this trend in Britain, and compared to continental Europe, the poor that once were grateful for private charity of their benefactors grew to hate them, as it no longer was associated with private individuals benevolence but replaced by an attitude of entitlement.

    There is probably a very good reason the elites in NZ do not publicise this work.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/12/alexis_de_tocqueville_and_the_walking_dead.html

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  9. Longknives (4,051 comments) says:

    “Longknives. Is there a common denominator in these attacks”

    RF- Expect Stephieboy along any minute now to rant,rave and call you a Neo-Nazi for daring to suggest that our beloved ‘Tangata Whenua’ have a predilection for attacking tourists…

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  10. RF (1,141 comments) says:

    Recently I spent time over on the Gold Coast and had a few social hours with off duty cops. Apart from the Bikie gangs, Race related Crime is a major problem over there. Our Exported Maoris fueled by alcohol congregate in groups looking for trouble. Some hotel bars are very tribal and if you are white don’t even think about going there. Call me a racist but I would take the word of a cop dealing with this crap rather than listen to a limp wristed do gooder.

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  11. Peter (1,471 comments) says:

    These are the beasts who welcome visitors to our country.

    It could have been worse. They could have subjected them to another tedious haka.

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  12. Odakyu-sen (250 comments) says:

    hj: “What is it about the Japanese society that they value the fabric of society at all levels (versus what a person is worth financially)?”

    To value the fabric, you have to be conscious of it and be aware of how your life is interwoven into it. The Japanese tend to have a very well-defined notion of what it means to be Japanese; i.e., they have an incredibly strong sense of identity.

    From kindergarten days onwards, Japanese children learn uniquely Japanese games, stories, patterns of behavior, socialization. They eat the kids of food that only kids in Japanese kindergartens eat. (Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao0feaeqxVU). (It really is like this; I saw it with my own eyes.) They wear those special clothes, name-tags and those funny little hats. (And this is just at the kindergarten level.)

    To sum up, if Japanese children received a 100% dose of what it means to be Japanese and what their expected role in Japanese society is, then by comparison, a Kiwi kids would get about a 5% dose of Kiwi identity training. I suspect a kid at a Te Reo kindergarten would get (I am guessing) about a 20% dose of what it means to be “Maori” and what their expected role in “Maori” society would be.

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  13. kowtow (6,734 comments) says:

    Longknives

    That list is sadly the tip of the ice berg.Off the top of my head I’ll add the rape of a Japanese tourist in a Nelson hostel,a Dutch girl down south recently and the murder of that Scottish woman in Rotorua.

    Common theme?

    The government of Aotearoa actively promotes Maori culture as part of its tourism drive as well as in terms of government policy……look at the nonsense of the “warrior” and the leaves at official welcome ceremonies,similarly there seems to be a Maori screeching at the arrival of every Tom Dick and Harry at airports etc and of course they broified the Rugby World Cup ,the Americas Cup etc not to mention the now ubiquitous fricken haka.

    Tourists planning a trip will be given an impression of peace,tranquility and that ever stated lie,the one that goes “we’ve the best race relations in the world”……. a lot of members of the race that are the subject of that state sponsored lie are the ones doing the crime,not all,but vastly disproportionate.

    What culpability does the tourist industry ,including the govt ,have in giving a false image of how safe,Aotearoa is to visit?

    Once upon a time New Zealand was safe to visit,Aotearoa isn’t.

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  14. Sonny Blount (1,829 comments) says:

    The population of Japan is about 99% Japanese. A lot of things work out differently in a society with that level of homogeneity.

    The more pronounced are:

    Murder rates are correlated to ethnic diversity, the more homogenous your population, the lower your murder rate. Oddly enough much of the murder rate is internal to the various sub cultures (ie black on black violence in the US)

    Central planning causes less negative effects. I guess the special interests are more representative of the population when everyone is part of the same cultural group.

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  15. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    I went to the cricket last night at Eden Park.

    I had my bag searched ta the gate, they took 2 X 1.5 litre plastic bottles of soda water off me .
    Lady: You are not allowed 1.5 litre bottles in the stadium,”
    Me: Why not?
    lady: You might throw them but you are allowed bottles up to a litre in size
    Me: Why?, I can throw a litre further than a 1.5 litre.
    Lady: Silence.

    On the old terraces area there were about 8 ‘James McConies’ having a ball, not offensive, not drunk just having fun which was needed as the NZ batting was fucking awful.
    Three James McConies got thrown out, don’t know why but biffed out.

    The crowd was poor last night I would estimate well under 15,000.

    If people are offensive, fighting or being total tools throw em out but just for moving around and having a laugh it rubbish. The park is becoming elitist enough ( $9 for a burger) without driving the young people away,they are the ones who spend hundreds on over priced beer.

    In a couple of weeks time they will be moaning because only 12 of us tragics turn up to watch the India test. I can’t afford to eat all day at the park , it’ll be interesting if I’m allowed to take my care parcel in to keep me going at the test.

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  16. kowtow (6,734 comments) says:

    sonny

    We’re commanded to celebrate “diversity”.It enriches us!

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  17. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Longknives

    12 incidents in 4 years – 11 from your list and the Whakatane one

    We get about 2.5 million tourists per year, so we have 12 incidents from a pool of 10 million.
    While not condoning or making light those numbers are so insignificant as to being totally irrelevant unless we want to vent our spleen at the hori’s and his seems to be working reading the thread.

    How about we go and find a list where New Zealanders suffer crime at the hands of tourists, – again not making light but apples with apples-

    Its unfortunate these things happen but they always have and always will, NZers are no strangers to offending overseas either

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/9556784/Kiwi-stalks-missing-girls-mum on the web site today

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  18. kowtow (6,734 comments) says:

    RF

    “Call me a racist”

    That’s the problem these days……telling the truth and citing facts is cast as racism.Part of the new deal to keep us ‘grumpy middle aged white men ” quiet these days.

    There’s a definite agenda.

    Meanwhile the boats keep coming.

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  19. RF (1,141 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay. The majority of the thuggery appears to be committed by a race that is about 14% of our total population. When people wake up to this and accept it to be a fact and… bloody do something about it rather than make excuses for them.

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  20. Odakyu-sen (250 comments) says:

    Mind you, Japan is not all peaches and cream.

    They have a horrible demographic problem that will take a couple of decades to deal with.
    China is putting on its Godzilla suit.
    Young Japanese are really questioning the “old wisdom” (this is probably a good thing in the long term)
    Public debt levels are reaching towards the financial Event Horizon
    Angst all around…

    And did I mention Fukushima?

    It just keeps on getting better and better…

    It’s nice to kick back in little ‘ol NZ and enjoy the holidays

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  21. lilman (676 comments) says:

    You are a racist bastard,just live with it.

    I refuse to accept any shit now,my children are kiwis,their mum is Maori,Im white.
    Their cousins know that when they stay at our house, they use manners there is no swearing,you dress well and always show respect to others and their friends.A few family members wont let their kids stay,their loss not mine ,all the rest are fine about staying here and all are great kids.
    2 at university,the rest over 14,all have summer jobs and all have represented their province in sports with 2 representing New Zealand.

    Any kids that have time to bash,steal,drink or abuse are a product of their family lives,not the community.

    So yes you are a racist,so am I, JUST LIVE WITH IT.

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  22. Odakyu-sen (250 comments) says:

    “The majority of the thuggery appears to be committed by a race that is about 14% of our total population. ”

    Is it genetic (racial)? Is it learned behavior (cultural)? Is it ________ (insert construct of choice)?

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  23. dime (8,790 comments) says:

    jesus, after reading this thread dime is almost too scared to leave the house.

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  24. Longknives (4,051 comments) says:

    Dime- Much,much safer to stay indoors with a couple of hookers and a line of blow…

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  25. Longknives (4,051 comments) says:

    PEB- I was at the cricket last night as well. What amazed me is that after NZ collapsed and set Windies a pathetic 150 to win Eden Park refused to make it free admission after dinner- They were still charging $30 adult and $10 for kids! Madness!
    And they wonder why only 7000 turned up??

    (*I also saw the drunk guys in wigs get thrown out- to be fair to the Security guys they seem to have been warned about ten times)

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  26. Colville (1,780 comments) says:

    Dime/ Longknives Re: hookers and blow. :-)

    Go see “Wolf of Wall St” outfuckingstanding movie.

    Look for Dicaprio snorting coke out of a hookers arsehole in the opening scene !

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  27. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Was there only 7000 there? jesus thats appalling I thought $45 was bloody expensive actually and that was for every seat in the joint I think

    The NZ batting certainly stopped a walk up crowd after the races

    What did the James McConies get biffed for though ?I was in the north stand and , they didn’t seem to be doing much and they were the only ones in the area.

    I’m still very bruised about loosing my soda water

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  28. Colville (1,780 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay.
    Was the “soda” 50/50 vodka? :-)

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  29. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Colville na, I’ve had to retire from all that unfortunately

    Question to ponder into the new year.

    Why has Jesus got a Mexican name?

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  30. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    “The majority of the thuggery appears to be committed by a race that is about 14% of our total population. When people wake up to this and accept it to be a fact and… bloody do something about it rather than make excuses for them.”

    @RF, Have you proof of the above statement? It is a fact that Maori are overrepresented in crime statistics. Does pointing this out reduce the problem?

    While the majority sexual abuse of underage adolescents is not committed by homosexuals they make up about 3% of the population yet are greatly overrepresented in this type of offending but mention this and I am accused of being a homophobe. It seems homosexuals are a privileged and protected species.

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  31. stephieboy (1,168 comments) says:

    Harriet (3,240 comments) says:
    December 27th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    The elites here do not publicize the “Libertarian ” thinking of the likes of de Tocqueville and Bastiat.?
    Utter bollux.!!
    Why should it be their responsibility .?? The key issue is that anyone including the so called elites can read and digest if they so choose the writings of the said two Frenchmen.
    Libertarian ideology is surely the ” great lie of our time” that seeks like Marxist -Leninism to impose simplistic solutions ( the withering away of the state as I believe Lenin out it ) to quite complex problems.The results were disastrous.
    Interesting that Libertariannz received a whopping lions share of the vote in 2011- 0.002%. !
    Hmmm.. !

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  32. MH (558 comments) says:

    Had a worrisome TV show with Derran Brown, an illusionist and hypnotist who trained up a susceptible young man to assassinate Stephen Fry,which he did without conscious or conscience. Brown complied with British law by not showing how to induce people but it makes one wonder how easily we can be manipulated with subliminal messages or by charismatic figures like Hitler and of course Brown paralleled this training to Sirhan Sirhan who assassinated Bobby Kennedy (see conspiracy 101) who when arrested appeared to have been in a hypnotic state. Experts told Brown prior to training up the young man which included live firing at a local range -remarkable accuracy after being hypnotised -that it was not possible to get a person under hypnosis to do something that was against their- my words – moral code, again shown as false with 4 other selection trainees throwing what they thought was acid at virtual strangers. Not too sure if topics like this should be shown,fine line between good and bad…or when illusionists and politicians go bad.At least I wouldn’t stick my hand in a non stick fry-ing pan if someone told me to !!

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  33. MH (558 comments) says:

    Nip PM has gone to pay his respects to WWII war crims-the USA has reprimanded the visit. Text books in Japan gloss over WWII as something that barely had any effect on their history. They still find it politically difficult to apologise or to take responsibility, hence a considerable revival in defence spending and a willingness for their army to serve overseas initially as UN peace keepers,as per their constitutional limits. Their maritime self defense force (ensign is still the rising sun) is a major counter to Chinese power in the region.

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  34. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    I’m sure the “warrior gene”, colonisation, and oppression have a lot do with it savage behaviour.

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  35. kowtow (6,734 comments) says:

    MH

    Whatever about their aggressive and appalling behaviour in the Greater East Asia war ,as they like to call it,

    in the face of Chinese neo imperialism the Japs have no other option than to rearm. North Korea has a worrying habit of firing missiles over Japan too.

    Very dangerous part of the world……rumours that the world is getting safer are just that.

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  36. skyblue (193 comments) says:

    I wonder if the Whakatane 4 are part of the same race that is over 50% of our prisons?
    Either Maori commit the majority of the crime or the others commit as much crime but are more intelligent and get away with it or is it that they don’t commit as much crime?

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  37. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    Either Maori commit the majority of the crime or…

    A resounding YES is the answer.

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  38. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Islam tolerance

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  39. Harriet (4,013 comments) says:

    stephieboy #

    I said publicise this work. I never suggested to fully implement libertarianism.

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  40. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    Pandering to the savages:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/10532782/Muslim-staff-at-Marks-and-Spencer-can-refuse-to-sell-alcohol-and-pork.html

    Muslim staff working for Marks & Spencer have been given permission to refuse to serve customers buying alcohol or pork products

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  41. Longknives (4,051 comments) says:

    Awkward to explain if there is a wife back home-

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/9558201/Kiwi-drugged-and-robbed-in-Thailand

    “Bernard John Griffiths, 65, met up with the sticky-fingered ladyboy (a person whose physiology is part male, part female) while strolling in Pattaya’s red-light district on December 17, and agreed to join him at a bar, the Pattaya Mail reported.”

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  42. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    I thought I would just say…”Hello”….To see if the JB downthumb monster is stirring about here as well! :)

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  43. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    Business as usual in this shithole: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/9557620/Attack-on-presidential-palace-in-Central-African-Republic

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  44. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    Oh it’s such fun to lure the JB downthumb monster from its slumbers! :)

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  45. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    @Johnboy: Have you considered the possibility of someone using a program, able to read KB comments and automatically giving you a thumb down? Such scrips do exist.

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  46. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    Quite so Manolo and they have reprogrammed it to give me two downthumbs apparently..such fun it all is! :)

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  47. Longknives (4,051 comments) says:

    Johnboy- Consider that I somehow got two thumbs down for my assertion that the bludgeoning of those two German Tourists was “fucking disgusting”…and you can assume that people just see a name and give an automatic ‘Thumbs Down’.
    (Unless a couple of Kiwiblog’s resident crim-hugging lefties think the German’s somehow deserved it?)

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  48. RF (1,141 comments) says:

    JB… I will protect you from the green eyed down thumb monster. For a small fee… To cover expenses such as a case of single malt etc

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  49. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    Absolutely Longknives.

    In your case I can see that that you have offended the touchy-feely folk and deserve all the approbation they throw at you! :)

    But in my case they just do it cause I have suggested they should.

    I see that as a first victory for my KB mind control system I am in the process of continually developing! :)

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  50. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    JB Downthumbers… do it NOW! :)

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  51. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    JB Downthumbers… don’t do it NOW! :)

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  52. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    Huh I knew it would work a plus for the 6:36 and a minus for the 6:37! :)

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  53. Odakyu-sen (250 comments) says:

    kowtow: “in the face of Chinese neo imperialism the Japs have no other option than to rearm.”

    Japan’s infrastructure for physical distribution (read: food) is incredible fragile. Just a couple of well-place charges by Chinese sappers to bring down key bridges, tunnels and overpasses, and the population in the Tokyo Metropolitan Region would begin to starve.

    Mind you, if the Japanese population rearm mentally, then things could get ugly. (The Chinese may discover that Kitty-chan, despite appearing to be a mouth-less cat, has very sharp teeth indeed.)

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  54. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    The Chinese have never forgotten the rape of Nanking.

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  55. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    The Chinese have never forgotten the rape of Nanking.

    and they are just bidding their time

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  56. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    Jeeze PEB the bidding is what worries me! :)

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  57. Odakyu-sen (250 comments) says:

    Johnbiy: “The Chinese have never forgotten the rape of Nanking.”

    The Japanese can not apologize for acts that were performed in all seriousness. To do so would dishonor the war dead. (And that’s the rub: the Japanese aren’t Christian. You can’t just say sorry and expect to be forgiven. What was done was done.)

    So, what are the Chinese to do? Punish the Japanese grandsons for the crimes of their grandfathers?

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  58. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    So, what are the Chinese to do? Punish the Japanese grandsons for the crimes of their grandfathers?

    Yep , and they will it might take another three hundred years but there is no rush

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  59. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    Nuke em if they get their rusty swords out again I suspect Odakyu-sen! :)

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  60. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    JB

    Bidding is an old chinese custom I believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    But they bide their time when doing it

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  61. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    They will have the honour of being the only folk that have been nuked twice for their follys Odakyu-sen! :)

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  62. nasska (9,577 comments) says:

    If Fukushima doesn’t get sorted & soon the Chinese might find that any efforts to nuke the Japs are redundant.

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  63. Harriet (4,013 comments) says:

    “….The Chinese have never forgotten the rape of Nanking.
    and they are just bidding their time…”

    The Japanese prisoners from the Nanking Massacare, and by their own words, said that they were treated very well by the Chinese. They were told by the Chinese ‘to go back to Japan and forget what happened in Nanking and continue on with their lives, and to live well.’ I saw the interview of these former prisoners on TV in Australia a couple of years ago.

    I’d hardly then think that the Chinese would take it out on the next generations of Japanese.

    From memory, they were only prisoners for 4 or 5 years maximum. Although I could be wrong about that. But I do recall thinking that they were held as prisoners for a very short period of time.

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  64. Odakyu-sen (250 comments) says:

    naaska: “If Fukushima doesn’t get sorted & soon the Chinese might find that any efforts to nuke the Japs are redundant.”

    I know! Man, this is going to take decades to sort out. What a mess!!

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  65. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    What Japanese prisoners were these Harriet? The Japanese 10th Army that sorted out Nanking was disbanded in February 14, 1938. ! :)

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  66. kowtow (6,734 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    Thought for the day .Whoever is down thumbing you can’t suck it,much and all as the prick would like to ,because it’s covered in some other buggers shit.

    (How many shitty downs will I get for that)

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  67. nasska (9,577 comments) says:

    An old lady dies and goes to heaven. She is chatting to St. Peter
    at the Pearly Gates when all of a sudden she hears the most awful
    blood-curdling screams.

    “Don’t worry about that,” says St. Peter, “it’s just someone
    having the holes bored in their shoulder blades for the wings.”

    The old lady looks a little uncomfortable but carries on with the
    conversation.

    Ten minutes later, there are more blood-curdling screams.

    “Oh my goodness,” says the old lady, “now what’s happening?”

    “Not to worry,” says St. Peter, “they are just having their head
    drilled to fit the halo.”

    “I can’t do this,” says the old lady, “I’m off down to hell.”

    ”You can’t go there,” says St. Peter, “you’ll be raped and
    sodomized.”

    “Maybe so,” says the old lady, “but I’ve already got the holes
    for that!”

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  68. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    I actually enjoy it kowtow. It gives me a reason for carrying on here! :)

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  69. Odakyu-sen (250 comments) says:

    Hariet: “….The Chinese have never forgotten the rape of Nanking.
    and they are just bidding their time…”

    The Chinese are smart and sophisticated enough to use history to their advantage.

    By treating the Japanese prisoners well, the Chinese totally owned them. The Americans achieved a similar, soul-splintering psychological victory over the Japanese at the end of 1945 by sparing the life of the Emperor and by confiscating the land holdings of the kizoku (the landed aristocracy) to distribute to the common Japanese man. (No wonder the Japanese are so humiliated by both China and America…)

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  70. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen talks shit as does Harriet. The 10th Japanese Army that raped Nanking was disbanded in February 14th 1938.

    All it’s troops were spread through the rest of the Japanese forces.

    Tell truth or fuck up Odakyu-sen! :)

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  71. Don the Kiwi (1,341 comments) says:

    You were doing well there briefly, johnboy. :-)

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  72. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    It’s not easy being Village Idiot Don! :)

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  73. kowtow (6,734 comments) says:

    I recommend the book The Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang.

    NY Times Best seller.

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  74. Harriet (4,013 comments) says:

    JB#

    “….What Japanese prisoners were these Harriet? The Japanese 10th Army that sorted out Nanking was disbanded in February 14, 1938. !…”

    There were Japanese prisoners from Nanking. Just because the 10th were disbanded doesn’t then mean that prisoners didn’t exist. From memory it was only a couple of hundred Japanese.

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  75. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    There were Japanese prisoners from all over Asia Harriet.

    Because the 10th were disbanded does indeed mean they didn’t exist! :)

    You are a fool! :)

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  76. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Kowtow
    Our Japanese brothers have still got lots of answering to do and I do believe the Chinese will have the questions

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  77. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    Johnboy see mushroom clouds obscuring rising sun velly soon!

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  78. Reid (15,624 comments) says:

    The Chinese are smart and sophisticated enough to use history to their advantage.

    The Chinese like all Asians play the long game which is why we foolish Westerners don’t get them because we, foolishly, believe that the only game in town is that which exists during our lifetimes and that’s not how those who play the long game think.

    Both the Japanese and the Chinese have vast reasons to get back at the UKUSA for what they did to them both and it’s a village-idiot grade fool who sits in the West’s planning division who forgets that or worse, doesn’t even know what the UKUSA has done.

    The recent moves over the last few years whereby Obama has advanced the Pentagram’s lily-pads into the Chinese sphere of influence indicate such foolishness is afoot in Washington. No surprises there. You can bet however similar naivety isn’t at play in London because they’re not quite so dumb.

    But suffice to say, if you want to know what’s going to happen next in the immediate future for our little corner of the world, then look to the weapons that are in play at the moment, which are financial. If you want to know what’s going to happen in the longer term, then educate yourself on biological weapons, particularly those which target the DNA of particular racial groupings.

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  79. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    Surely even the Chinese wouldn’t be evil enough to employ the fried chicken genome against our Polynesian brothers and sisters Reid?

    That’s a plan worthy of Doctor Evil himself! :)

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  80. Reid (15,624 comments) says:

    Surely even the Chinese wouldn’t be evil enough to employ the fried chicken genome against our Polynesian brothers and sisters Reid?

    They seem to be finding ContacNT is working well enough plus it’s making them millions and the bonus is, those of us who aren’t P addicts are paying for the P addicts to buy it and paying for the border patrol trying to stop it so it’s a win-win-win for the Red Dragon Johnboy.

    But those biologicals are waiting in the wings to be used in the opposite direction, not against us, against them.

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  81. Odakyu-sen (250 comments) says:

    That’s a plan worthy of Doctor Evil himself! :)

    That’s nothing!

    The Japanese are working to perfect their ASIMO-based robotic army (see: http://asimo.honda.com/) using the manufacturing power of the mighty Japanese secondary industries.

    Thirty years from now, as the Chinese are at the peak of their 1-child-policy-induced demographic implosion, the revived Japanese state will be able to supply the robotic labor and home-help that the Chinese desperately need for their aging population, and it will be game, set and match to the Japanese.

    Mu-hahahahaha…..!! (or other stereotypic evil laughter of choice)

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  82. Left Right and Centre (2,397 comments) says:

    China one child policy is a bit like making handheld cellphone use in vehicles an offence.

    Because you never see anyone holding a cellphone while driving anymore, eh ?

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