General Debate 2 December 2013

December 2nd, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. mandk (684 comments) says:

    Have Phoenix won a game yet?

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  2. Longknives (4,041 comments) says:

    Anyone else having technical difficulties with Kiwiblog this morning?

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  3. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Could not access Kiwiblog comments yesterday but everything A OK now.

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  4. iMP (2,150 comments) says:

    Lifesize SMAUG revealed. Flys to LA for world premier today.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/12/02/smaug-revealed-in-new-zealand/

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  5. Azeraph (597 comments) says:

    it must of been too many online yesterday unless, it’s the GSB. Their after all the pro Nazi’s down in the south island.

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  6. Azeraph (597 comments) says:

    Young Paul Walker died with his mate yesterday. I liked that actor.

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  7. mandk (684 comments) says:

    @ Longknives

    Must have been me crashing the system with my comment about Ernie’s boys

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  8. Manolo (12,621 comments) says:

    Attempting to save the Kenyan: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/01/us/politics/inside-the-race-to-rescue-a-health-site-and-obama.html?_r=0

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  9. Paulus (2,295 comments) says:

    I think Winston should throw in the towel now.
    It appears that his voting base Geriatric Grey Power, have morfed to the Greens.
    One I know well, once very loyal financial member, has gone to the Conservative Party as she like the perceived moral stand of its leader and will be voting for the party at the election.
    She is telling all her retirementhome friends volubly I understand.

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  10. ex-golfer (134 comments) says:

    Where is dime?
    He has been mysteriously inconspicuous since his proclamation that the Kiwis would win the World Cup.
    Still getting over the hangover?

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  11. Pete George (21,804 comments) says:

    An interesting point made on the Christchurch by-election where the Conservative candidate got 3.7% of the votes (487). There was no NZ First candidate standing. If CP and NZF compete for a common demographic that is a partial explanation for the CP vote, which may face more competition in a general election.

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  12. Jack5 (4,216 comments) says:

    Whale Oil is today back on one of his better crusades: liquor marketers targeting young teenage girls for sales of their RTDs.

    Imagine what would happen if we legalised heroin, cocaine, or amphetamines. Would these fuckers push them to kids?

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  13. Manolo (12,621 comments) says:

    I think Winston should throw in the towel now.

    I beg to differ. Neither the venal Peters nor the whore Dunne will ever retire of their own volition.
    Only political defeat at the ballot will allow NZ to get rid of these two parasites.

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  14. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    Greenpeace have no shame. Scaremongering tactics,they are now trying to turn a children’s fantasy into a childs’ nightmare.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/showbiz/446213/Downton-Abbey-s-Jim-Carter-plays-Santa-to-warn-about-melting-ice-caps-for-Greenpeace

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  15. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    Is the inserting of RFID “tracker” chips a part of Obamacare?
    It seems like it could be…

    The RFID chip that everyone is worried about is in Obamacare. It isn’t labeled brilliantly that “we are going to microchip the world” that some people would like to think, but the wording and the ability to microchip everyone in America is in the final bill that passed and is now being implemented throughout the country. It is listed under a bio-metric tracking implant.

    It is in the documentation that was signed off by the President. It has been predicted by NBC. It is on the FDA website. It is being tested as we speak. Please don’t just take our word for it, look at the documentation and see for yourself.

    http://freepatriot.org/2013/12/01/truth-behind-rfid-chips-obamacare/

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  16. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    ‘Is the inserting of RFID “tracker” chips a part of Obamacare?
    It seems like it could be…’

    Absolutely. And possibly under TPP.

    Paula Bennett has also advanced thought crime. Straight from the files of Nazi Germany.

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  17. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    Gosh Fletch, identification technology – whatever next.
    //

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  18. Tom Jackson (2,235 comments) says:

    liquor marketers targeting young teenage girls for sales of their RTDs.

    Who else is going to drink that horrible shit?

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  19. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    Jack5 (3,682 comments) says:
    December 2nd, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Whale Oil is today back on one of his better crusades: liquor marketers targeting young teenage girls for sales of their RTDs.

    Imagine what would happen if we legalised heroin, cocaine, or amphetamines. Would these fuckers push them to kids?

    The statistic quoted by Whaleoil (70% of teenage girls consume RTD’s) does not support your conclusion that it is “marketed” to young teenage girls. It shows a preference for RTD’s among young girls. It does not prove that “but for RTD’s these girls would not be drinking”. Further it does not show that if liquor were outlawed that teenage girls would not have access to booze. It would probably mean that the producers and suppliers of illegal liquor would be harder to regulate and thus it would be *more* difficult to control whether liquor was purchased and/or consumed by those who are underage.

    If drugs like heroin, cocaine and amphetamines were legalized it does not imply that it would be regulated in exactly the same way as alcohol. Further, the fact that something is available to be consumed does not mean it will be consumed or that relative consumption would increase. Drug use is largely determined by cultural trends. Teenage girls drink because drinking in NZ culture is ubiquitous. Friday night? Drinking. Saturday night? Drinking. Sunday BBQ? Drinking. Kids birthday? Surprisingly… more drinking.

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  20. Jack5 (4,216 comments) says:

    Weihana, aren’t RTDs a bit of a tax rort as well as being one of the leading traps for our young people?

    I thought I read somewhere that these are spirit based, but because they are already mixed in the bottles, they incur less duty. If the purpose of duty is at least partly to slow alcohol consumption and provide money to go a tiny way to countering the health and social damage from it, then RTDs are a rort.

    I think there have been controversies in other countries about RTDs.

    I am not a prohibitionist, but believe you must bear in mind the amount of damage that comes to society from alcohol. It causes more social havoc and costs to the health and welfare systems than illegal drugs, I think you will find.

    How would you try to educate young people on traps from wrong use of alcohol?

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  21. Jack5 (4,216 comments) says:

    Stephen Franks (as well as Whale Oil) have interesting posts today that relate to the political blitzkreig on Chorus.

    Franks builds on Sir Roderick Deane comments about valuable directors. Franks writes:

    They’ve lost sight of what I think Sir Roderick was saying in his paper – that directors should be people who watch and speak with the natural mana of experience, of having done their 10,000 hours, of having walked in the shoes of management.and made mistakes, but shown their worth by results.

    Instead our board tables are carefully put together like dinner parties, designed to show interesting diversity, making sure the mix would photograph well, but above all excluding anyone who might be tough enough and uncouth enough to make the rest uncomfortable.

    Stephen Franks is at http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/

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  22. Nookin (2,887 comments) says:

    Will Hansen & Co see the light and stop chasing this prima donna? Fat chance.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/9465407/Williams-award-makes-a-mockery

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  23. Jack5 (4,216 comments) says:

    Further to Weihana’s 11.14 post on RTDs.

    Weihana, I remember being warned as a young person that spirits could be especially dangerous, but also that if I wanted to drink them, to be sure the first drink was either straight, or with water. That way you reject the taste if the spirit is dangerous (from being mis-distilled) or is otherwise adulterated.

    With RTDs, of course, such a taste warning is not available to a young person, as the RTD comes with full other flavours that overwhelm the spirit taste.

    You have to wonder whether the use of date-rape drugs by rapists isn’t facilitated by young women’s taste for RTDs.

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  24. Longknives (4,041 comments) says:

    Outrageous Nookin- Next you will be telling us he isn’t the greatest since ‘Ali …

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/4598637/Mundine-Snr-compares-SBW-to-Muhammad-Ali

    “If he keeps on boxing seriously, he will be the second Ali.”

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  25. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    Jack5 (3,683 comments) says:
    December 2nd, 2013 at 11:24 am

    I am not a prohibitionist, but believe you must bear in mind the amount of damage that comes to society from alcohol. It causes more social havoc and costs to the health and welfare systems than illegal drugs, I think you will find.

    Totally agreed.

    How would you try to educate young people on traps from wrong use of alcohol?

    Not sure but I’m skeptical that targeting RTD’s will accomplish much. Alcohol shouldn’t be permitted to be sold online with such useless age verifiction measures though, that’s a given.

    But considering that usage is a cultural phenomenon the problem seems to be intractable. There are parents who seem to be very effective with strict approaches and zero tolerance for underage drinking. Some parents fail despite such measures. Other parents succeed with a more liberal approach that seeks to promote healthy drinking habits under supervision rather than expecting no drinking to occur. This also fails in some cases.

    Perhaps the tendency towards drug use itself is symptomatic of other problems or issues and that, while education and sensible regulation are good things, ultimately any individual is influenced by a constellation of factors in their life and that a problem with underage drinking may simply be one piece of a larger puzzle.

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  26. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    Walmart products made in Chinese labour camps

    Masanjia made international headlines last year when a woman in the U.S. state of Oregon found a note in a Halloween decoration kit from Kmart that was supposedly written by a camp inmate who claimed to have played a part in making the product.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/9463398/China-labour-camps-now-drug-detox-centres

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  27. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    ‘Gosh Fletch, identification technology – whatever next’

    Cha doesn’t know about facial recognition technology

    pffff

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  28. Manolo (12,621 comments) says:

    Living wage US-style: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/02/business/economy/wage-strikes-planned-at-fast-food-outlets-in-100-cities.html

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  29. Ed Snack (1,535 comments) says:

    RTD’s are drunk by the young because they’re sweet tasting, and are a lot like the original mixer. They incur less duty than straight spirits because (of course) the contain a lot less alcohol; you probably pay as much in duty for the alcohol though when you add it up. RTD’s are also drunk by the young because, as remarked above, who else would have such poor taste as to drink them.

    They are a “trap” because they are so easy to drink, but in the end not really very different from buying a small bottle of rum (say) plus a couple of bottle of coca cola and mixing it yourself, except easier and you CAN buy and drink less. I don’t blame the product, I blame the culture that makes it OK for 18 year olds to go out and get hammered. It’s not parents, they often have little enough influence on someone of that age, it’s more the general culture, that drinking to excess (and large excess) is a worthwhile leisure goal.

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  30. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    I may be right that RTD’s survived post Anderton era

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  31. Pete George (21,804 comments) says:

    A very good post (and discussion) on the Whale Oil/journalist issue by Greg Presland at The Standard: Cameron Slater and the protection of journalistic sources

    There could be implications for all of us on this.

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  32. KevinH (1,128 comments) says:

    In my younger years I worked as a barman in pubs in the Auckland region, enjoying the experience and the social life that went with it. Public bars were hard work, serving workers fresh in from a day’s hard work and thirsty to boot. The men would down several jugs and then head home for dinner, an era when drink driving was tolerated and heavy drinking was encouraged.
    Men with a skin full could be reasoned with if they were drunk and refused service, if they wouldn’t the bouncers would sort them out. Women however were always difficult to handle, a drunk woman can be volatile moody and temperamental and care had to exercised when service was refused. Accusations of assault or sexual assault often followed the ejection of a woman from a bar which would result in a visit from the Police and statements being taken and investigated.
    From what I see on the reality t.v shows not a great deal has changed, but there is clearly more drunk women out there now than in my day 20 years ago.
    Women go out to party to have fun, to let their proverbial hair down and have a few laughs, and R.T.D.’s marketed to them promote the fun angle. However at the end of the night when you are scrapping these ladies up off the footpath it’s hard to see where the fun in drinking is.

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  33. Nigel Kearney (747 comments) says:

    RTD makers should be praised for finding an ingenious way to successfully sell alcohol at an inflated price so young people can’t afford to drink as much. The effect is the same as increasing taxes on alcohol, which the wowsers are all in favour of, except that the tax is charged to young people only so doesn’t affect you and I. It’s really quite clever.

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  34. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    ‘Where is dime?
    He has been mysteriously inconspicuous since his proclamation that the Kiwis would win the World Cup.’

    haha..was thinking the same. Was wonderin if we would see that chappy online today

    Wonderful dreamer that he is

    And I told him so!

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  35. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    Cha doesn’t know about facial recognition technology

    Pfft indeed Timmy, and Beelzebub himself will attend to your marking.

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  36. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    cha, I’m sure that most people would rather the Govt not have the ability to keep tabs on their whereabouts.

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  37. J Bloggs (100 comments) says:

    Longknives (3,385 comments) says:
    December 2nd, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Outrageous Nookin- Next you will be telling us he isn’t the greatest since ‘Ali …

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/4598637/Mundine-Snr-compares-SBW-to-Muhammad-Ali

    “If he keeps on boxing seriously, he will be the second Ali.”

    He’d have to start boxing seriously first…….

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  38. publicwatchdog (1,817 comments) says:

    Howdy Kiwibloggers!

    Concerned about the Auckland ‘daft lunatic Plan’ and ‘democracy for developers’?

    FYI – seen this?

    “You are welcome to attend a Proposed Auckland Unitary Plan Public Meeting.

    There will be a Presentation on the Notified Unitary Plan by independent planner David Wren – with particular emphasis on Albert-Eden area and topics which are likely to be of interest to locals.

    David Wren will speak for about 40 minutes followed by plenty of time for questions and answers.

    Date: Saturday 7 December 2013

    Time: 9.30am to 12 Noon (doors open at 9.30am and there is access to displays in the lobby and opportunities to discuss issues prior to the main presentation).

    Venue: Mt Eden War Memorial Hall, The Chamber Room, 489 Dominion Road, BALMORAL”
    ________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/democracy-for-developers/

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  39. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    In Britain, a woman has the child removed from her womb by social services and now they won’t give it back.

    A pregnant woman has had her baby forcibly removed by caesarean section by social workers.

    Essex social services obtained a High Court order against the woman that allowed her to be forcibly sedated and her child to be taken from her womb.

    The council said it was acting in the best interests of the woman, an Italian who was in Britain on a work trip, because she had suffered a mental breakdown.

    The baby girl, now 15 months old, is still in the care of social services, who are refusing to give her back to the mother, even though she claims to have made a full recovery.

    The case has developed into an international legal row, with lawyers for the woman describing it as “unprecedented”.

    More – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10486452/Child-taken-from-womb-by-social-services.html

    Unbelievable…

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  40. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    ‘Beelzebub himself will attend to your marking.’

    Beelzebub’s minions know me well. I’ve already been branded and set aside by the King of Heaven.

    One day I will call Beelzebub’s name but the coward will not appear to claim me for he will have shrunk far into the darkness
    from where I will stand in light.

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  41. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    National health index and IRD numbers coupled with electronic fund transfers and omnipresent recording, the horse has bolted Fletch.

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  42. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    ‘IRD numbers coupled with electronic fund transfers ‘

    And that’s why we were all put onto direct debit cashless pay deposits

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  43. Manolo (12,621 comments) says:

    As night follows day: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20131201/DAADKSQ83.html

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  44. Nookin (2,887 comments) says:

    “Outrageous Nookin- Next you will be telling us he isn’t the greatest since ‘Ali …”

    His publicist almost matches Ali’s ability to self-promote. That’s as close as it comes. SBW can’t box and I doubt that he will ever get in the ring against someone who can. Parker would demolish him.

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  45. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    Fords burn better than Holdens’

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/videos/9439524/Fords-burn-better-than-Holdens

    And so it should be

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  46. edhunter (434 comments) says:

    Go back 20-25yrs & replace RTD’s with Marquee Vue, Chardon shit even Miami Wine coolers, girls have always preferred sweet cheap booze, & a cheap bottle of wine will get you there faster than a 4 pack of RTD’s any day of the week.
    What I like about RTD’s is I can take a 6 pack of Scotch & Dry to bbq knowing exactly how much I’ve had & as I’m not a huge fan of beer I find them a perfect alternative. And I mean who really wants to take a bottle of spirits to a bbq?

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  47. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    video mocking Saudi Arabia’s ban on female driving, using an adaptation of Bob Marley’s famous song, ”no woman, no cry” has gone viral.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/videos/9337507/Saudi-no-woman-no-drive-parody-goes-viral

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  48. publicwatchdog (1,817 comments) says:

    Seen this Kiwibloggers?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/your-views/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501154&objectid=11149526

    So far the greatest number of ‘likes’ on the NZ Herald for New Zealander of the Year article have gone to Graham McCready for taking a private prosecution against the ‘Not-So-Honorable’ John Banks – ACT Leader and MP for Epsom!

    YAY!

    dodgy john is going…. going…. :)

    Penny Bright

    http://www.dodgyjohnhas gone.com

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  49. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    Beelzebub’s minions know me well. I’ve already been branded and set aside by the King of Heaven.

    One day I will call Beelzebub’s name but the coward will not appear to claim me for he will have shrunk far into the darkness
    from where I will stand in light.

    Very strange philosophy.

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  50. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    China has ‘cleaned’ the internet

    China’s campaign against online rumours, which critics say is crushing free speech, has been highly successful in “cleaning” the internet, a top official of the country’s internet regulator said on Thursday.

    China has the world’s most sophisticated online censorship system, known outside the country as the Great Firewall. It blocks many social media websites, such as Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and others, along with many sites hosted in Taiwan and those of rights groups and some foreign media agencies.

    The crackdown on online rumours is really intended to quash anti-government discourse, activists say. High profile users of Sina Weibo, China’s Twitter-like microblog, have been targeted, apparently for political speech

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/30004874/china-has-cleaned-the-internet

    has anyone found it curious we have stronger ties with communist China than democratic Japan ?

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  51. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    Fletch (5,161 comments) says:
    December 2nd, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Is the inserting of RFID “tracker” chips a part of Obamacare?
    It seems like it could be…

    I read the relevant section and it creates a registry of implantable devices to assess the efficacy and safety of said devices in the marketplace. I didn’t see anything which forces people to get government implants or that the government will be tracking people. Read some of the comments. Amongst the nutty “Jesus is coming! The End is nigh” there is some sensible conservative analysis from people who do not support Obamacare.

    Of course, it is inevitable that everyone (minus the Amish-ly inclined) will have implants providing real-time health monitoring over the internet and enabling individualized tailor-made medical care. It is important therefore to restrict the government’s wholesale snooping of the public’s private data including Metadata.

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  52. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    ‘One day I will call Beelzebub’s name but the coward will not appear to claim me for he will have shrunk far into the darkness
    from where I will stand in light.

    Very strange philosophy.’

    I have been plucked as a brand from the fire.

    Soon many will escape at once.

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  53. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    Kirlian photography huh.

    http://awescience.com/2013/11/29/russian-scientist-photographs-the-soul-leaving-the-body-at-death/

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  54. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    US President Barack Obama’s credibility has dipped significantly since the NSA’s wide-scale spying has come to light.

    Former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden succeeded where President Barack Obama couldn’t – getting Microsoft, Google and Yahoo to upgrade computer security against hackers.

    The companies are adopting harder-to-crack code to protect their networks and data, after years of largely rebuffing calls from the White House and privacy advocates to improve security. The new measures come after documents from Snowden revealed how US spy programs gain access to the companies’ customer data – sometimes with their knowledge, sometimes without – and that’s threatening profits at home and abroad.

    “These companies actively fought against numerous mechanisms that would have mandated far more secure data,” Sascha Meinrath, director of the Open Technology Institute at the New America Foundation in Washington, said in a phone interview. “Now they are paying the literal price.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/30004907/security-upgrades–show-snowden-won

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  55. chiz (1,095 comments) says:

    The story sounds dubious to me: Man selling testicle so he can buy car.

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  56. big bruv (12,328 comments) says:

    Hey Penny.

    Paid your rates yet?

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  57. Longknives (4,041 comments) says:

    “And I mean who really wants to take a bottle of spirits to a bbq?”

    You stingy old cheapskate Ed! Not a fan of sharing then?

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  58. publicwatchdog (1,817 comments) says:

    Of course I haven’t yet paid my rates ‘Big Bruv’.

    Auckland Council’s ‘books’ are not open – and I am making a stand on principle for ‘open, transparent and democratically-accountable’ local government.

    You might want to try it sometime, ‘Big Bruv’
    (making a stand on principle) – even for the novelty factor?

    Any more stupid questions?

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

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  59. Manolo (12,621 comments) says:

    Of course I haven’t yet paid my rates ‘Big Bruv’.

    Because you are an utterly CORRUPT individual masquerading as a deranged crusader. Fuck off!

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  60. Jack5 (4,216 comments) says:

    Nigel Kearney posted at 12.07 on ready-to-drink, spirit based mixes (RTDs):

    RTD makers should be praised for finding an ingenious way to successfully sell alcohol at an inflated price so young people can’t afford to drink as much. The effect is the same as increasing taxes on alcohol….

    Assuming you aren’t being ironic, Nigel K.: selling spirits pre-mixed and in small bottles and cans makes spirits available to young people who might decline to, or be unable to pay $30 or $40 for a standard bottle of spirits, then buy drinks to mix, then have to go mix them with glasses etc.

    On your point about tax, I thought duties etc are levied on alcohol content, not on retailprice.

    Meanwhile, Australia’s experience is interesting.

    The Australian Medical Associaton says Australia’s April 2008 increase in excise on ready-to-drink spirit-based beverages (RTDs or alcopops) “closed a loophole that resulted in RTDs being taxed at a much lower rate and therefore cheaper to buy than spirits.”

    It says on its web site:

    The alcopops tax has worked to reduce drinking by young people but broader changes and a comprehensive approach that includes taxation reform are needed to tackle alcohol abuse across the wider community…

    Link: https://ama.com.au/media/alcopops-has-tax-worked

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  61. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    Cancer warning for shift workers

    Burning the midnight oil increases the risk of cancer – and bosses should consider the dangers of shift work alongside other on-the-job health hazards, experts say.

    Working the late shift overnight is a cancer risk on a par with exposure to diesel exhaust fumes and insecticides in the workplace, a Cancer Society and Massey University public health conference has been told.

    Researchers are now likening deaths from cancers caused in the workplace to the road toll, and say more needs to be done to highlight dangerous – and lesser-known – carcinogens.

    And there is increasing pressure for workplaces to change their cultures around sun protection for outdoor workers, with skin cancer estimated to account for about 80 per cent of new cancers each year.

    Aaron Blair, of the US National Cancer Institute, said the dangers of shift work were a growing concern, as globalisation and technology meant more people were working nights.

    Up to 25 per cent of the world’s population were now shift workers, he said

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/9455750/Cancer-warning-for-shift-workers

    No choice to work till we drop in this country.

    When Jews died on his operating tables, Joseph Mengele just demanded more.

    No different from employers here

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  62. Manolo (12,621 comments) says:

    Neville Key should do the same: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/tony-abbott-should-stop-being-mr-nice-guy/story-fni0ffxg-1226772462967

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  63. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    ‘Journalism is a act anyone can perform, not a title to be bestowed at the pleasure of authority.’

    I think that used to be the case until people were made to study for qualification to be employed as a journo.

    which is why we have paparatzi

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  64. edhunter (434 comments) says:

    LK I’m a sharer from way back but always find that my pours generally get stronger as the night goes on & especially if I’ve poured a few for others I’ve no way of objectively knowing how much I’ve actually drunk hic!

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  65. Jack5 (4,216 comments) says:

    How does Hooton get on Radio NZ’s Labour Programme to thump the ears of listeners about Chorus, on which he is leading a campaign?

    The Monday morning politics show obviously sets out to create the perception of impartiality by hosting Hooton against Labour man Mike Williams.

    What rubbish. Hooton has just led a campaign that has shafted National over National and the new fibre network. This is not a balanced panel. I don’t know why I’m not surprised.

    This morning the compere, Kathryn Ryan, was soft on Hooton when he used air time to give his Chorus theme. There was no challenge when Hooton described Chorus as a “growth stock”, which is grossly incorrect. It is a utility stock!

    Interestingly, Whale Oil’s blog takes on Hooton today.

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  66. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    edhunter

    And I mean who really wants to take a bottle of spirits to a bbq?

    beryl :)

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  67. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    If he keeps on boxing seriously, he will be the second Ali.

    LMAO.

    The only similarity is they are both Muslims.

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  68. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Longknives – next Stephen Fleming and Mike Hesson will be comparing McCullum to Bradman “if he keeps improving”.

    No test centuries in 3 years….

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  69. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    60 30 minutes.

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/jeff-bezos-60-minutes-surprise-2013-12

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  70. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    It’s getting to the point where it won’t be safe to poke your head out the window.

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  71. Manolo (12,621 comments) says:

    A Wadestwon stooge joins the Luddites: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8764485/families-face-big-transport-cost-increases

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  72. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    I wonder if there’ll be an open season on Amazon’s little helpers. Something else to watch out for in the maimai next May. :)

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  73. Dean Papa (616 comments) says:

    Brett Domino’s latest gem

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  74. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    nasska

    I recall that there already is some kind of precedent for that in the US.

    One thing is for sure; Santa is going to have to drive sober with all these things flitting about.

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  75. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    They’ll be a bugger to pluck Davinci. :)

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  76. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    Damn cat will turn his nose up too.

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  77. graham (2,211 comments) says:

    If Penny was serious about

    making a stand on principle for ‘open, transparent and democratically-accountable’ local government.

    then, as someone who has stood multiple times for local government, and wants to represent us in local government, I would have expected her to abide by the very same principle that she insists local government follows.

    IE, being open, transparent and democratically-accountable.

    You might want to try it sometime, ‘Penny’ (being open, transparent and democratically-accountable) – even for the novelty factor?

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

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  78. Longknives (4,041 comments) says:

    “Longknives – next Stephen Fleming and Mike Hesson will be comparing McCullum to Bradman “if he keeps improving”

    Nick- I remember spitting out my coffee when years ago I read in a Sunday paper one of our rather excitable sports hacks did in fact claim McCullum was ‘The best since Bradman’…
    *This was when he first hit the scene and slogged a century in that God awful T/20 ‘Hit and Giggle’ bullshit McCullum is so fond of.

    Reality is he could have been a great keeper/batsman. But his ego (possibly fuelled by reading his own adoring press) told him to chuck the gloves and bat up the order. And he is simply not a top order Test batsman..

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  79. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    cha

    Who did you upset? :lol:

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  80. big bruv (12,328 comments) says:

    Longknives

    I don’t disagree with you at all about the state of NZ cricket and McCullum.

    The problem NZC has is that it’s talent pool is not very wide and incredibly shallow. Very average players like McCullum can strut around as much as they like safe in the knowledge that nobody is pushing him for his place and safe from being dropped. McCullum could have been a great player, he could have been the best keeper/batsmen in the world but he let his ego get way ahead of his ability.

    The one ray of hope there is on the horizon for NZC might be that Bruce Edgar is now head of the selection panel. Edgar is a staunch fan of Test cricket and will put that T20 and ODI crap on the back burner where it belongs.

    We will never be the best test team in the world but I hope that we can at least compete at a respectable level.

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  81. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    Upset someone, Moi!.

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  82. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    cha

    Your 3.40pm and 4.15pm seemed pretty innocuous to me. Was there a subliminal message that I missed? :lol:

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  83. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    Good job to you didn’t mention Baby Jesus cha. :)

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  84. Rowan (1,728 comments) says:

    Looks like a repeat of the Vicky Calder poisoned professor case, did she do it or not?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11165732

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  85. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    [shiver font]… the spirit of E* G**** moves amongst us … or his trusty side-kick the P***** C******** …

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  86. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    Did they check the computer Rowan? Any messages left for her by the suicide victim?

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  87. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    It’s the needle – every utterance must compound the hurt.

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  88. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    Where do you buy the dolls? Is there a little shop by the Tauranga Harbour Bridge?

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  89. Rowan (1,728 comments) says:

    DVM
    Did I ever suggest there was idiot? I am not advocating either way for her guilt or innocence as I don’t know enough about it.
    Who says there even was a computer or not? Why do you freaks always have to try and make this about the Bain case?

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  90. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    Why do you freaks always have to try and make this about the Bain case?

    Steady on. No need to be offensive. :(

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  91. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    Amazon, by air drone.

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  92. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    Goodness cha

    It’s certainly seen plenty of action. That explains a lot! :lol:

    It’s a wonder he could type at all. :lol:

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  93. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    Mostly self inflicted I’m afraid to say but a sad and predictable outcome after years of wingnut use.

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  94. dime (8,751 comments) says:

    Dimes here :(

    go the kiwis!

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  95. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    League is over sorry dime. Attention now turns to cricket :)

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  96. PhilP (139 comments) says:

    “Of course I haven’t yet paid my rates ‘Big Bruv’

    FFS Penny if I didn’t pay my rates the council would have no doubt cut all my services off and taken me to court for arrears plus interest and as a last resort sold my house from under me.
    How the hell do you get away with it Penny? Do you have someone on the inside of council backing you up? You are corrupt my dear……………..

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  97. Longknives (4,041 comments) says:

    Dime- You must have missed it. The Kiwis got thumped.
    They did a really lovely dance before the match though- loads of hissing, tongue poking and homo-erotic prancing!

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  98. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    and Mike Hesson will be comparing McCullum to Bradman “if he keeps improving”

    but Mike Hesson has passed all his coaching exams don’t ya know!!!!!!!!!!!jesus ,he will have noted similar talent while playing for Otago B

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  99. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    I have a really bad feeling that the New Zealand Men’s Cricket Team (because that’s their name ,not some ad company thought up moniker) is going to get trousered by the Windies , I will then spend the rest of summer in trepidation awaiting India.

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  100. Steve (North Shore) (4,318 comments) says:

    Now that dopey Ms Dim has of course paid her Rates. She would never get away with it by refusing, unless she is another Council corksoaker.
    Do not listen to the silly bitch, she is just another attention seeker.
    Where is Len? not staying at your place is he Ms Dim?

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  101. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    Within two weeks of moving into a new house, the homeowner
    had to call an electrician, a roofer and a carpenter. One
    afternoon he returned early from work and saw a plumber’s
    van in the driveway.

    “Lord,” he pleaded, looking skyward, “please let her be
    having an affair.”

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  102. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Frank was excited about his new rifle and decided to try Bear hunting. Hetravelled up to Alaska, spotted a small Brown Bear and shot it.
    Soon after there was a tap on his shoulder, and he turned around to see a big Black Bear. The black bear said, ‘That was a very bad mistake. That was my cousin. I’m going to give you two choices. Either I maul you to death or we have sex.’ After considering briefly, Frank decided to accept the latter alternative. So the black bear had his way with Frank. Even though he felt sore for two weeks, Frank soon recovered and vowed revenge. He headed out
    on another trip to Alaska where he found the Black Bear and shot it dead.
    Right after, there was another tap on his shoulder. This time a huge Grizzly Bear stood right next to him. The Grizzly said, ‘That was a big mistake, Frank. That was my cousin and you’ve got two choices: Either I maul you to death or we have rough sex.’ Again, Frank thought it was better to cooperate with the Grizzly Bear than be mauled to death. So the Grizzly had his wicked way with Frank. Although he survived, it took several months before Frank fully recovered. Now Frank was completely outraged, so he headed back to Alaska and managed to track down the Grizzly Bear and shot it. He felt sweet revenge, but then, moments later, there was a tap on his shoulder. He turned around to find a Giant Polar Bear standing there.. The Polar Bear looked at him and said, ‘Admit it Frank, you don’t come here for the hunting, do you?’

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  103. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    They did a really lovely dance before the match though- loads of hissing, tongue poking and homo-erotic prancing!

    Your favourite part I am assuming Longknives? I hear next year they are looking at arranging Anna Guy to sing the national anthem as well

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  104. Monique Angel (229 comments) says:

    I woke up swathed in bandages, in a city hospital. Wires monitored my every function.
    A gorgeous nurse hovered over me.It was obvious that I’d been in a serious accident. I heard her say to me. “You may not feel anything from the waist down.
    So I asked her, “can I feel your tits then”?

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  105. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    Cost of a candle-lit dinner for two: $160

    Cost for theatre show tickets: $130

    Cab fare home: $50

    The look on his face when you tell him you’re on your period: Priceless.

    There are some things money can’t buy. For everything else, there’s anal.

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  106. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    An Irish boy stood crying at the side of the road.
    A man asked him,“What’s wrong?”
    The boy said, “Me ma is dead.”
    “Oh bejaysus,” the man said.
    “Do you want me to call Father O’Riley for you?”
    The boy replied, “No tanks mister. Sex is the last ting on my mind at the moment.”

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  107. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    The wife called me as she’d had a car accident.

    “A car forced me off the road into a Kingdom Hall,” she said.

    “Did you get any witnesses?” I asked.

    “Yes,” she said, “About sixty five fatalities & twelve injured.”

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  108. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    journalist means a person who in the normal course of that person’s work may be given information by an informant in the expectation that the information may be published in a news medium
    news medium means a medium for the dissemination to the public or a section of the public of news and observations on news

    reading this from the evidence act make its pretty plain that whales a journalist and his blog is a news medium.

    reading the reat of it, if whale can prove that naming his informant will get him killed or hurt, defence- or he just proves that what he published is true

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  109. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Back to S68.

    Pretty antiquated bit of legislation really, what makes reporters so fucking special. I interview people everyday in relation to crimes and I have no legislation to protect any informants, I just have to use common sense and be completely upfront with people.

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  110. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    two wrong thread postings mint

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  111. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    Mike Hesson has passed all his coaching exams

    :roll:

    Thanks eastbay. You just extinguished the faint flicker of hope and ignited the burning fire of reality.

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  112. UglyTruth (3,003 comments) says:

    journalist means a person who in the normal course of that person’s work may be given information by an informant in the expectation that the information may be published in a news medium
    news medium means a medium for the dissemination to the public or a section of the public of news and observations on news

    reading this from the evidence act make its pretty plain that whales a journalist and his blog is a news medium.

    So you’re just assuming that he is a person? If he wasn’t then you would have just defamed him.

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  113. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    If he wasn’t then you would have just defamed him.

    not if I could prove it was true

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  114. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/northern-beaches/tattooists-debate-inking-hand-necks-and-faces-and-agree-police-shouldnt-have-them/story-fngr8hax-1226773474411

    it would be nice to see this enforced here

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  115. UglyTruth (3,003 comments) says:

    not if I could prove it was true

    Proof isn’t always straightforward. In court his status as a person is a matter of law, not a matter of fact.

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  116. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Freeman on the land, also known as FMOTL, FOTL, “Footle” or simply freeman,[1] is a form of pseudolegal woo in various English-speaking countries. Freemen believe they can opt out of being governed, and that what normal people understand to be “laws” are merely a form of “contract” that applies only if people consent to it.[2]
    Freemen hold that we are all subject to a massive international legal conspiracy perpetrated for the profit of the elites, but you can hack the system if you just use the right form of words.[3] They believe only in their version of natural law, which they call “common law.” In practical terms, they believe this means they do not have to pay taxes, debts, mortgages, etc. because we were all deceived and if you say the right form of words, this fact will be accepted!
    Freemen believe they can declare themselves independent of government jurisdiction using the concept of “lawful rebellion”: that all statute law is contractual and therefore only applicable if an individual consents to it. They assert that what everyone else regards as “the law” doesn’t apply to them as they have not consented to a contract with the state,[4] even going so far as to claim they have a lawful right to refuse arrest if they do not consent. They insist that the government is a corporation, are obsessed with maritime law, and call themselves things like “John of the family Smith.” Essentially, they’re hilarious and somewhat less threatening sovereign citizens.
    No freeman arguments have ever succeeded in court;[5] some courts have even explicitly ruled that the term “freeman on the land” has no legal significance when the argument is raised.[6] Actually using the arguments gets people into worse trouble, including fines, asset seizures, contempt convictions and criminal records. However, this doesn’t stop freemen from claiming that it works.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land

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  117. Pete George (21,804 comments) says:

    A briefing by Shell Petroleum to Dunedin City Council confirms that an oil find in the Great South Basin is very unlikely – they say there is about a one in three chance of finding gas.

    Shell reiterated that, on the basis of the work they have done, they consider the chances of a strike in the Great South Basin as follows:

    – Chance of finding no hydrocarbons = 70%
    – Chance of finding gas = 30%
    – Chance of finding oil = <1%

    They explained that if they did strike hydrocarbons, there would be a long lead-in time to any exploitation – likely more than 10 years.

    Safety concerns and fears of oil slicks on beaches have been a tad overstated – Great South Basin oil find very unlikely.

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  118. Manolo (12,621 comments) says:

    RINO to the core: http://nypost.com/2013/12/02/christies-bizarre-behavior-could-undermine-presidential-chances/

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  119. Manolo (12,621 comments) says:

    Will he bow to the mullahs and ayatollahs?
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-obama-arranging-tehran-visit-next-year_769213.html

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  120. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    “Will he bow to the mullahs and ayatollahs?”

    Manolo, probably, he has form for deferring to violent desert cults. For example, bowing and scraping to the head of the Church of England. The Queen.

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  121. Pete George (21,804 comments) says:

    Yeah, it’s quite a few. Why? Because I can. Why not?

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  122. UglyTruth (3,003 comments) says:

    Freeman on the land, also known as FMOTL, FOTL, “Footle” or simply freeman,[1] is a form of pseudolegal woo in various English-speaking countries.

    Thank you, Kea, for demonstrating your ignorance of the subject matter.

    The issue of whether or not someone is a person cannot be brought up during cross examination.
    Witnesses can be cross examined about matters of fact, but not about matters of law.

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