General Debate 6 December 2013

December 6th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    Len, have you resigned yet?

    Penny, have you paid your rates yet?
    Penny, have you paid your water bill yet?

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  2. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    Oh do just fuck off…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9483615/Workers-eating-at-sacred-site-offend-Maori-MP

    Let me guess- ‘Compensation’ is in order?

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  3. Ashley Schaeffer (336 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9483615/Workers-eating-at-sacred-site-offend-Maori-MP

    So putting an expressway through the area is fine, but just don’t eat anything on the job?

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  4. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    Winston’s deputy Tracey Martin launched a surprise attack on Hekia Parata and a charter school yesterday, saying the school had run out of money and would be “a school based in pre-fab buildings and with port-a-loos set up in a paddock for the bathrooms”.

    Prefabs have been in schools for as long as I can remember.

    A school spokesperson has said the NZ First school allegations are “ridiculous”.

    Is Martin following Winston’s example of making baseless accusations?

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  5. Odakyu-sen (248 comments) says:

    In bygone days it was okay to eat dead people, but not to eat near them?

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  6. iMP (2,143 comments) says:

    Mayor Lianne Dalziel and ex-Lab MP confirms David Cunliffe is in breach of the Electoral Act.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/12/06/dalziel-confirms-cunliffe-in-breach-of-electoral-act/

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  7. Chuck Bird (4,401 comments) says:

    I will be representing myself in the Manukau District Court today at 11am for a Case Management Conference. The case will be named Bird v Skeleton. Many of anonymous lawyers on this blog think I should shell out tens of thousands of dollars defending myself against a crooked lawyer who has made a vexatious rambling counterclaim.

    If they or anyone wants to see if they are right. It is a public hearing. You can report it how you see it on KB.

    I see I got a couple of thumbs downs – possibly by lawyers. If any you lawyers happen to be at Court you can come and make an informed comment instead of some stupid cliché like don’t take a knife to a gun fight.

    Such arrogant comments are the reason the public rate lawyers with used car salesmen.

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  8. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    My stepson watches that awful TV show “the crowd goes wild”, I normally take no notice of the show as I am doing other things however I did happen to be walking past the TV last night when some fat dude was interviewing a New Zealand rugby player by the name of Kieran Reid. My god that man Reid is a complete and utter moron. He can hardly string two words together.

    Some of you here have asked me why I do not like the New Zealand rugby team, perhaps the fact that this is the dumbest bunch of rugby players to every have represented our nation might have something to do with it.

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  9. Keeping Stock (9,786 comments) says:

    Fact: A Labour government including Phil Goff sold more state assets than any New Zealand government before or since.

    Fact: Phil Goff was the driving force behind New Zealand’s Free Trade Agreement with China.

    So why has Phil Goff morphed in to a latter-day Winston Peters with his xenophobic Overseas Investment (Owning our Own Rural Land) Amendment Bill? And where was Labour’s outrage when James Cameron bought Wairarapa, and when a North American consortium recently bought Mt Pember Station, a single farm larger than all the Crafar farms put together?

    There must be an election coming up next year…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/12/the-ever-changing-mr-goff.html

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  10. Jack5 (4,208 comments) says:

    MediaJerks Ltd stars, Larkus Mush (Radio Live) and John Campbell (TV3) will follow up their ambush of Colin Craig with an even bigger skeptics stunt.

    They plan to spring the “do you believe in taniwha, yes or no, yes or no?” question on all Maori MP’s – Harawira, Maori Party members, and Labour and National MP’s who identify as Maori, too.

    Mush and Campbell say this isn’t because they are under any requirement to be balanced, but because it’s fun. There’s nothing quite like ridicule.

    Before Christmas, they also hope to spring on all Green MP’s the question, “Do you believe in the Gaia hypothesis (the idea of earth as a living being), yes or no, yes or no?”

    I’m assured these plans are no more porkies than Cunliffe’s wild pigs from his hunting days.

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  11. seanmaitland (401 comments) says:

    On stuff.co.nz this morning: “Tens of thousands of workers have been sacked under the 90-day-trial period, with many let go because they “did not fit in”.

    When you actually drill down to the article it turns out that “tens of thousands” is 18,000, and that there are a minimum of 51,000 staff who have been successfully hired due to the 90-day-trial-period who wouldn’t have otherwise got the jobs, and have retained their jobs after 90 days.

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  12. Urban_Redneck (39 comments) says:

    Such arrogant comments are the reason the public rate lawyers with used car salesmen.

    As they say Chuck, 95% of lawyers give the rest a bad name. Traders and profiteers in human misery.

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  13. Ross12 (926 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock — extremely good post ( if I could give 10 upticks I would). I haven’t seen that list put together in such a good summary before. It needs must wider exposure.

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  14. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    “this is the dumbest bunch of rugby players to every have represented our nation”

    Bruv- I won’t disagree with you but my god their fans are even worse!
    Next time you hear someone gushing about this current mob’s “Perfect Season” and how they are “The first team since rugby went professional to have an unbeaten season” quietly point out that Martin Johnson’s mighty English side went 14 months without losing a game circa 2003…
    The responses are priceless-
    “Northern Hemisphere rugby doesn’t count”
    “You support the pommies do ya??”

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  15. Ashley Schaeffer (336 comments) says:

    @ seanmaitland
    The other thing I noticed from that article was that the author led with the “did not fit in” angle, but further down you discover the primary reasons for letting people go…

    When asked why they had dismissed staff, most employers said it was because they were unreliable or had a bad attitude. Other reasons included employees not having the necessary skills, not getting on with colleagues, and not fitting in.

    So, not fitting in came at the very end of a list of other very valid reasons for letting people go.

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  16. kowtow (6,684 comments) says:

    Kiwis?Don’t think so.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Kiwis-fighting-in-Syria-may-pose-terrorism-threat/tabid/423/articleID/324092/Default.aspx

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  17. Keeping Stock (9,786 comments) says:

    The post on Labour’s asset sales record gets dragged out and refreshed from time to time Ross. It realise does illustrate who pathetic their opposition to asset sales is now. Goff especially is anxious to rewrite history, but that is something to which he is inextricably linked.

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  18. kowtow (6,684 comments) says:

    bruv is a pathetic specimen.

    Look at how much detail we had to get so he could explain why ,shock horror ,he saw a bit of a sports show!

    Then he tells us he hates the footie team cos they’re dumb….

    FFS would he change his bigoted mind if they were all members of mensa? No don’t think so.

    Bigot bruv inhabits a narrow world of hate.

    His posts on Catholicism and rugby prove it.

    Sad bastard.

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  19. kowtow (6,684 comments) says:

    Chuck B

    Hope it goes well for you.

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  20. Jack5 (4,208 comments) says:

    Further to my 8.18 post:

    I now hear it is believed that MediaJerks’ Larkus Mush (Radio Live) and John Campbell (TV3) reportedly may also spring the “yes or no, yes or no?” on Labour MP’s with the question of whether they believe in wai tapu bans on eating on sacred sites (but not in pakeha cemeteries where many part-Maori folk lie). However, the two famous Skeptics seem to be scared to ask women MP’s, “Do you believe menstruating women must be banned from Maori sections of Te Papa? Yes or no, yes or no?”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9483615/Workers-eating-at-sacred-site-offend-Maori-MP

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  21. seanmaitland (401 comments) says:

    Longknives you muppet – it is the first perfect season – Ireland and the 97 All Blacks have already done prior unbeaten seasons. Martin Johnsons side didn’t ever have a perfect season.

    You are deliberately changing “perfect” to “unbeaten”. The only one who looks dumb as a result is you.

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  22. Sofia (776 comments) says:

    Oops! –

    Panic spreads through the European commission like ferrets in a rabbit warren. Its plans to create a single market incorporating Europe and the United States, progressing so nicely when hardly anyone knew, have been blown wide open. All over Europe people are asking why this is happening; why we were not consulted; for whom it is being done.

    They have good reason to ask. The commission insists that its Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership should include a toxic mechanism called investor-state dispute settlement. Where this has been forced into other trade agreements, it has allowed big corporations to sue governments before secretive arbitration panels composed of corporate lawyers, which bypass domestic courts and override the will of parliaments.

    This mechanism could threaten almost any means by which governments might seek to defend their citizens or protect the natural world. Already it is being used by mining companies to sue governments trying to keep them out of protected areas; by banks fighting financial regulation; by a nuclear company contesting Germany’s decision to switch off atomic power. After a big political fight we’ve now been promised plain packaging for cigarettes. But it could be nixed by an offshore arbitration panel. The tobacco company Philip Morris is currently suing Australia through the same mechanism in another treaty.
    http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/357-europe/20752-the-lies-behind-this-transatlantic-trade-deal

    No, wait this is the TRANS ATLANTIC deal
    But wait we’re getting our own TRANS PACIFIC version

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  23. Odakyu-sen (248 comments) says:

    “Kiwis?Don’t think so.”

    I agree. Newsreaders should show more cultural sensitivity in their use of language.

    The word “Kiwi” evokes a strong feeling of “one of our beloved countrymen with whom we share so much in common.”

    What the newsreader should have said was: “New Zealand passport holders.”

    (Even the term “New Zealand citizens” is misleading, as many may have dual citizenship.)

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  24. alex Masterley (1,437 comments) says:

    Chuck,
    It is a case management conference which, based on the one I sat through yesterday, are tedious affairs dealing with procedural matters.
    The only good thing that will come of it is you may get a fixture date which will be between 12-18 months away.
    The bad thing is that you have to go to the Manukau District Court.
    Good luck finding a park and the court the conference is in.

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  25. Chuck Bird (4,401 comments) says:

    @kowtow

    Thank very much. I will let you know tomorrow. Off up to Auckland now.

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  26. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Go look at Simon Bridges’ website. Apparently (going off twitter) Greenpeace has hacked it.

    http://simon-bridges.co.nz/

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  27. Chuck Bird (4,401 comments) says:

    Thank Alex, There is a bit more than the fixture date to be determined. I have a park thanks. It looks like I am likely to get a good judge this time. A bit of luck the idiot will preform in Court like he did in the Settlement Conference. It would be nice if he got committed again.

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  28. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    Well said Longknives.

    You mentioned Johnson, a truly great player and a very humble and intelligent man.

    Compare Johnson with the moronic Reid.

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  29. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    Best of luck Chuck. I do hope you win the case.

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  30. Keeping Stock (9,786 comments) says:

    @ Nickb – it’s actually a fake site, and Greenpeace has used the Parliamentary Crest without authorisation. The Supreme Court is still deciding whether Greenpeace should have charitable status, and a stunt like this could well backfire on them; it is blatantly political.

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  31. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Actually, apparently its just a dummy website set up now. No hacking.

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  32. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Yup good point KS. What utter muppets.

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  33. Ross12 (926 comments) says:

    nickb

    Whaleoil has a thread on it. http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/12/greenpeace-breach-law/#comments

    Lets see if the NZ Govt. has some of the Putin’s strength.
    As Cam says Greenpeace pleaded in court to maintain their charity status. I think they got it back on the understanding they would not get back into poltical activism.
    Someone has to take these idiots to task.

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  34. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    A further response from Te Kura Hourua ki Whangaruru to NZ First accusations about the establishment of their charter school.

    Portacom are the company building our brand new ablution block, which is connected to a sewerage treatment plant. I am astounded at where this information comes from. If only people would talk to us directly before going to the media and then they would be able to decipher FACT from FICTION.

    They go on the detail a number of facts about their establishment of their school.

    The kids should be paramount when it comes to schools, and if NZ First are trying to score political points without checking their facts it is disgraceful – to be expected from Winston Peters but very disappointing to see Tracey Martin appear to follow her leader’s example.

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  35. Dean Papa (614 comments) says:

    The mighty All Blacks win team of the year at the NZ Rugby Awards, trophy presented by John Key, and to the tune of Lorde’s new hit song, “Team”. How cool is that?

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  36. Sofia (776 comments) says:

    In 2012, more than 131,000 people were employed on a trial period and nearly a third of all employers who used the trial period said they would not have hired their most newest staff member without it, he said.

    So that is 43,666 new positions which would not have otherwise existed. If the 18,000 people lost their jobs in the first three months of employment last year, all came from these new positions, it still leaves 25,666 new positions.

    So why does the headline read THOUSANDS LOSE JOBS IN 90-DAY-TRIAL instead of THOUSANDS GAIN JOBS IN 90-DAY-TRIAL?
    - when journalists are supposed to have the ethics that a judge claims Cameron Slater hasn’t?

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  37. calendar girl (1,108 comments) says:

    I’m not looking forward to the Rugby World Cup 2015 in the UK with an All Blacks’ front row made up of Rhodes Scholars. Does Steve Hansen know of the new requirements for an AB jersey?

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  38. kowtow (6,684 comments) says:

    Journalists and ethics?

    After the Campbell etc campaign pro AGW,anti oil, pro Greenpeace ,anti Colin Craig (whether you like him or not) ?
    Listening to RNZ news the other morning….treated to: more bikes sold in Europe than cars,Madrid putting in a cycleway,anti drilling at the Canary Islands……no mention of a psuedo coup in Thailand which was arguably one of the biger stories of the week……

    No ,the vast majority of what passes for journalism in Aotearoa,formerly New Zealand, is feminist,green and left wing activism and when it’s not that it’s staight out entertainment masquaraded as news.

    Ethics? Not a chance.

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  39. Keeping Stock (9,786 comments) says:

    big bruv said

    My stepson watches that awful TV show “the crowd goes wild”, I normally take no notice of the show as I am doing other things however I did happen to be walking past the TV last night when some fat dude was interviewing a New Zealand rugby player by the name of Kieran Reid. My god that man Reid is a complete and utter moron. He can hardly string two words together.

    Some of you here have asked me why I do not like the New Zealand rugby team, perhaps the fact that this is the dumbest bunch of rugby players to every have represented our nation might have something to do with it.

    You’ve said some daft things about rugby bruv, and your hatred of all things All Black is well chronicled. But this kind of personal attack takes the biscuit.

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  40. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    What’s another lie? http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/05/president-obama-acknowledges-having-lived-with-his-uncle/mz67SRGIExGAZJuOQsl1JI/story.html

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  41. Judith (5,643 comments) says:

    @ big bruv

    Kieran Reid is a very wealthy man, due to the efforts he has put into rugby. Something that will set him up for life.

    We all have different talents. So he isn’t an academic, or a good speaker, but clearly he has some skills that he was clever enough to tap into, and to prepare himself to use them to the best of his ability.

    I have to wonder, what have you done in your life, that has achieved similar or better, that makes you feel you need to be so negative about someone that has, in my opinion, achieved a great deal?

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  42. dime (8,742 comments) says:

    Longknives – they were a hell of a side. They never went unbeaten in a calendar year though.

    80.00% winning rate for 2000
    90.91% winning rate for 2001
    88.89% winning rate for 2002
    94.12% winning rate for 2003
    45.45% winning rate for 2004

    Then they fell apart. been anywhere between 35% and 60% since.

    Using longknives logic – by the time the all blacks next play, they will have been unbeaten for 19 months woo hoooo

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  43. OneTrack (1,950 comments) says:

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    December 6th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    @ Nickb – it’s actually a fake site, and Greenpeace has used the Parliamentary Crest without authorisation. The Supreme Court is still deciding whether Greenpeace should have charitable status, and a stunt like this could well backfire on them; it is blatantly political.

    And, once again, the lefties show how nasty they really are with personal attacks against the perceived “enemy” (enemy of the people?). Haven’t they heard of a contest of ideas. Or maybe they are losing that contest so have to fall back on leftie 101. Hell, NZ is going to be in trouble if they (their parliamentary arm) wins next year.

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  44. Judith (5,643 comments) says:

    I cannot believe you people that are so down on New Zealander’s achieving great things out there in the big world.

    Whether it be playing rugby (and being the best in the world at this present time), singing songs, making big hit movies, or simply designing top fashions, the fact that someone from the bottom of the world, from a tin-pot country of 4 million+, can make it to the top in the field is fantastic.

    That bloody tall poppy syndrome just won’t go away will it?

    I’m as proud as punch of our All Blacks, Lorde, Peter Jackson, and every other Kiwi out there that gets the name of New Zealand mentioned in a positive manner – surely you can all see the benefits it gives to all of us?

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  45. wikiriwhis business (3,269 comments) says:

    The US Dollar Has Just Lost The Reserve Status

    The US dollar is now in the process of collapsing. It will eventually lose the reserve status of the world. China has taken the first step to remove the US dollar as the reserve currency by broadcasting to the world that it does not see the benefit of holding the dollar any more. China decided to take it one step further by saying that they may price crude in the yuan. The central bankers/US Government are pushing the false flag event and are preparing for what is about to hit every American. This event will be much worse than 911, it will be so horrific that people will be crying in the streets.

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  46. OneTrack (1,950 comments) says:

    “After the Campbell etc campaign pro AGW,anti oil, pro Greenpeace ”

    And, of course, Campbell rides to work on a pushbike and uses no oil products. Oh, wait,…. that’s just for the prols and the neolibs. He is one of the self-elected “elite” so those rules don’t apply to him. Much like Gareth Hughes and Kennedy Graham.

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  47. Dean Papa (614 comments) says:

    The All Blacks are nice humble blokes. Indeed, that can be said of most Kiwi sports people. Of course there will be the odd exception to the rule. But it is the supporters, including the pom pom wavers who call themselves media, who are too often obnoxious and rude.

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  48. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    Dean Papa.

    “The All Blacks are nice humble blokes”

    You know them all do you?

    Or have you swallowed the PR spin of the NZRU and the sycophantic rugby media.

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  49. Judith (5,643 comments) says:

    @ Dean Papa

    The media only get away with their disgusting behaviour, because we let them. If people stopped listening to those who continue to be obnoxious, rude and personally judgmental, they wouldn’t keep their jobs and would soon adjust their ways.

    Unfortunately there are enough members of the public who couldn’t care less about the truth, and need to be told by the media what to think, and what there opinion should be about certain things – so I can’t see the status quo ending any time soon.

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  50. wikiriwhis business (3,269 comments) says:

    FRom you tube

    this announcement by China about using their Yuan more in international trade is a pivotal moment in the US dollar’s decline. However, America’s Reserve Currency status will linger on life support for awhile longer, getting weaker and weaker until the world market pulls the plug. To date there is no other currency to take the US dollar’s place. China & other BRIC nations are gradually introducing their currencies, hard assets, & barter into trade deals. They’ll probably move toward using a basket of mixed currencies & they are already forming their own bank, but breaking away from Uncle Sam will take more time…

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  51. Ross12 (926 comments) says:

    The NZ Greens major development policy is green technology etc which we can develop and export. Maybe they should look to the UK experience first

    http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2013/12/5/green-jobs-1-million-each.html

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  52. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    “The All Blacks are nice humble blokes.”

    You are fucking joking right???
    This current All Black team is the most arrogant sports team I have ever seen! The self-professed “Greatest sports team in the history of the universe”??
    Moronic, arrogant wankers who haven’t got the braincells to realise that they are not even a blip on the radar of the world sports scene. Bet they haven’t even got the decency to send Nigel Owen a Christmas card after he rather dubiously saved the “Greatest sports team in the history of the universe” from an embarrassing defeat at the hands of an Irish B team…

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  53. kowtow (6,684 comments) says:

    I have devised a cunning plan to make bigot bruv’s head explode….

    The Vatican to field a footie team!

    And they’ll play in Russia ,where they can’t be extradited ,you know ,in case of any past ‘indiscretions’…….

    bwahahhaahaahaha.

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  54. wikiriwhis business (3,269 comments) says:

    “Bitcoin Kentucky Town Pays Police Chief” .

    Kentucky police chief paid by Bitcoin

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  55. Colville (1,765 comments) says:

    Funny that Longknives compares the ABs to the Poms and calls the ABs arrogant.
    The Poms are the only sports team I have ever seen do a “victory” lap of the ground after “winning” a draw against a touring team.

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  56. wikiriwhis business (3,269 comments) says:

    All of a suden NZ can play cricket…how strange……and so suspicious !!!

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  57. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    @Longknives: you seem to be a very nice and sensible bloke in many areas, but lose the plot altogether on any AB-related matter? What is it, mate? Please tell me. :-)

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  58. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    Can’t ever remember the Poms going running to the IRB crying and wailing like little girls that anyone was ‘disrespecting their haka’ Colville…..

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  59. jcuk (501 comments) says:

    “In the black community, the image that ‘gay men are sissies’ is amped up a billion times. And we all have an aunt who goes to church and says, ‘Being gay is wrong.’ That makes young men hide.”
    SHARIFF GIBBONS, of GMHC in New York, on an increase in H.I.V. infection among young black and Hispanic men.

    I consider myself a Christian but from that it seems to me the Church has a lot to answer for.

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  60. doggone7 (486 comments) says:

    Pete George

    “They go on the detail a number of facts about their establishment of their school.”

    I couldn’t find the bit about identifying the underachievers in the present system and taking them in. I didn’t see the bit about the local community not liking their kids spending an hour on the bus getting to school in town. I realise that was covered by “Our tamariki deserve another option.”
    I realise it is not their business to get political and present the reality: “A school is needed up here for high school kids. It should reflect the needs, aspirations and kaupapa of our community. The government won’t establish a school in the normal way but will fund us to set up a private school. It is a first small step of the ACT policy of privatising schooling. We are pawns in their game.”

    Because their focus will be on where it needs to be, the kids, rather than the political issues, Nga Parirau Matauranga Trust will undoubtedly do well.

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  61. Wayne91 (142 comments) says:

    Tall poppiests Big Bruv and Longnives – the chip on your shoulders re the All Blacks is getting worse by the day, best go do some meditation/yoga and chill out – As I have said before – life is way to short to carry around such negativity

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  62. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    “The Poms are the only sports team I have ever seen do a “victory” lap of the ground after “winning” a draw against a touring team.”

    Yeah, terrible stuff that. Far better was this nations collective hate campaign against a rugby ref who missed a forward pass at the 2007 RWC.

    Now that WAS embarrassing.

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  63. OTGO (457 comments) says:

    I know a couple of AB’s from times past. Whom I would call great AB’s. I’ve met them since their rugby career. Visiting their homes I remarked on the complete absence of memorabilia. I asked why and was told. “that was back then. The current AB’s are what matter now”. So from personal experience I would say AB’s ARE humble.

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  64. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    The “All Blacks” are tall poppies?

    To be a true tall poppy you have to be world famous, this cannot be the case with the NZ rugby team as they are clearly not world famous.

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  65. Colville (1,765 comments) says:

    Longknives, care to cite an example of the ABs ever doing that?

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  66. WineOh (427 comments) says:

    @ longknives… you’d think our MPs have more important things to do than to turn up at a construction site and check whether the workers are having a smoko break and *gasp* having a bite to eat between sessions of hard physical labour.

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  67. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    Matthew Hooton is less decisive on setting up a party than Colin Craig was on walking on the moon or chemtrails. He is extending his procrastination through the summer.

    After “I’m going to announce something about Act on Friday” to “no I’m not” to “I’m definitely announcing something today” and now he says “A summer of reflection is needed” on prospects of a new economic & socially liberal party.

    Looking at his reflection in a shiny stainless steel BBQ hood?

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  68. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    Colville- Where do you think the ‘Teams MUST stand quietly looking terrified while the almighty All Blacks hiss,spit, go all googly eyed and make throat slitting gestures at them’ rule actually comes from?
    It was from incessant howling and wailing from Henry’s pathetic All Blacks that their culture was being ‘disrespected’
    I posted a link a while back of Maa Nonu crying and whining about the Welsh wanting to sing after the haka,
    It was “disrespectful to our culture” ..apparently.
    Nevermind the Welsh ‘culture’ eh?

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  69. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    Nelson Mandela has died apparently, not surprising, it’s been imminent for months. He was very significant in his day but I can’t say the inevitable end moves me. People die, even great people.

    Sure it’s going to be a big thing for his family and people who knew him, even for his country. But I don’t feel any connection.

    Now to try and avoid an overdose of tributes. Again.

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  70. TheContrarian (1,043 comments) says:

    The death of Mandela is a good reason to stay off Kiwiblog for the day

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  71. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    A saint, a hero, a man of our time, a true demi-god has died. An hour of silence, please!
    Brace yourselves for for the tidal wave of grief.

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  72. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    Oh God- I’m going to avoid the media for a few days…
    What are the TAB odds on our lefty newsreaders wiping away the tears?

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  73. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    The Luddites could implement this here, too: http://www.myfoxny.com/story/24143156/san-francisco-considers-banning-butterfly-releases

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  74. martinh (824 comments) says:

    i dont think John Key should go to the funeral of mandela, key said he didnt know if he had supported the springbox tour or not. Someone with those convictions would be a moron in Mandelas eyes.
    Send our Governor general

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  75. Lucia Maria (1,983 comments) says:

    jcuk,

    “In the black community, the image that ‘gay men are sissies’ is amped up a billion times. And we all have an aunt who goes to church and says, ‘Being gay is wrong.’ That makes young men hide.”
    SHARIFF GIBBONS, of GMHC in New York, on an increase in H.I.V. infection among young black and Hispanic men.

    I consider myself a Christian but from that it seems to me the Church has a lot to answer for.

    Or it could have something to do with this: Nearly two-thirds of gay men who know they have AIDS have sex without condoms: CDC report

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  76. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    Manolo

    Whilst there will be a tidal wave of grief I think the people of South Africa will be more worries about a tidal wave of crime.

    There is no doubt that many people have had enough of waiting for their lives to improve since the end of Apartheid, it is equally true that this impatience has been supressed while Mandela has been alive.

    It may not be a great time to be a white South African right now.

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  77. dime (8,742 comments) says:

    Hey bruv & longknives – the glorious all blacks will out last you :)

    enjoy listening to kiwis praise their greatness for the rest of your lives :)

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  78. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Best part of the looming Black Caps victory IMO is the rise and rise of Boult/Southee.

    Sure its not the world’s best batting line-up but there are some good players and on a flat deck they have found seam and swing. Still beating the bat after 60 overs.

    Future looks bright for our bowling attack with these 2 heading it. Let’s hope they don’t get burnt out playing too much hit and giggle.

    Our attack finally looks like it has some decent strikepower. Gone are the days our attack was Martin, Tuffey, Mills, Oram, etc…

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  79. wikiriwhis business (3,269 comments) says:

    Invercargill the ‘vanishing city’

    Don’t know where Invercargill is?

    Well, you could be forgiven. Neither, it seems does our national carrier.

    Air New Zealand seems to have forgotten about the city famous for oysters and the legendary Burt Munro, despite flying to Invercargill Airport daily.

    On an inflight cup, a map depicting New Zealand shows the routes that Air New Zealand flies from Wellington. However, the cup does not feature the services to Invercargill from the capital city, chopping off Invercargill altogether.

    The inflight cup says “Wellington is one of our 27 New Zealand destinations” but apparently, Invercargill is not one of them.

    For Tim Shadbolt, to hear he was the mayor of a “vanishing city” was quite a surprise.

    The national carrier could have saved Local Government New Zealand a job by amalgamating Otago and Southland, he said.

    “Maybe Air New Zealand knows something I don’t about the restructuring of Otago and Southland councils.”

    Dunedin and Queenstown both feature on the cup.

    Shadbolt, who was catching an Air New Zealand flight to Christchurch yesterday, said he hoped he was served one of the cups so he could ask the air hostess to make a public apology.

    He would follow it up with a letter to the airline, he said

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/9483504/Invercargill-the-vanishing-city

    As with Gisbourne and the West Coast, Invercargill will become extinct as services are cut to herd the Sth Islnd to the central Nth Islnd according to UN Agenda 21. Rate/rental rises will also see many losing housing/accomodation as they will become unnaffordable to the average Kiwi.

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  80. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,784 comments) says:

    Television in the UK is about to get seriously bad for the next few days. Guess I’ll be watching RT instead.

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  81. Tom Jackson (2,225 comments) says:

    Mandela dead.

    Cue mawkish expressions of grief from right wingers who spent most of the 20th century opposing everything he did and stood for. The universe may well collapse under the weight of the hypocrisy.

    And they’ll forget that he was a close friend of Castro.

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  82. Alan (906 comments) says:

    Mandela dead at 95; same as Paul Walker.

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  83. martinh (824 comments) says:

    Key saying he cant recall if he supported the springbox tour is as bad if not worse than Colin Craigs.
    i can clearly see the difference between the character of the man of Mandela and the man of Key

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  84. dime (8,742 comments) says:

    nick – bracewell will come into his own over the next few years too. I think.. i hope!

    Our batting should be better. Not sure who rutherfords long term opening partner is.

    I rate Guptil, but not as an opener..

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  85. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    Political opportunism:

    jo ‏@jofromgreylynn

    The man who can’t remember how he felt about the Springbok tour protests is going to Mandela’s funeral. He should be paying for Hone to go.

    Russell Brown grizzled at me for saying that playing politics like that was crap.

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  86. iMP (2,143 comments) says:

    Mandela really didn’t change a hecuva lot at the “affect-people’s-daily-lot” level, much like Labour MPs in lower socio-economc seats (where income levels and other things just stay the same despite all their pontificating). But let’s cut him his due, he became a figurehead for the end of Apartheid, and despite the problems, that is a good thing. We need symbols and figureheads (like Hillary who really just climbed a mountain).

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  87. Fletch (5,712 comments) says:

    Mandela was no saint. He had his good and bad points like everyone else. He even advocated Communism and was an admirer of Castro, Qaddafi, and Saddam Hussein.

    “Long live the Cuban Revolution. Long live comrade Fidel Castro… Cuban internationalists have done so much for African independence, freedom, and justice. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of a vicious imperialist campaign designed to destroy the advances of the Cuban revolution. We too want to control our destiny… There can be no surrender. It is a case of freedom or death. The Cuban revolution has been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people.”

    He lauded Qaddafi’s “Committment to the fight for peace and human rights in the world”. You can read his piece (copied from his hand-written notes )How To Be A Good Communist at the link below –

    http://www.rhodesia.nl/goodcom.html

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  88. martinh (824 comments) says:

    Tom
    yeah Exactly- Key going to his funeral, hypocrite in action, you cant have it both ways Key- You cant change your stance for political convenience, how shallow

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  89. publicwatchdog (1,801 comments) says:

    NZ POLITICS DAILY: Is NZ really the least corrupt country on earth?

    Bryce Edwards | Thursday December 05, 2013
    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/nz-politics-daily-5th-december-2013-149675#comment-640526

    (My comment – yet to be published….)

    In the recent Auckland Mayoral election, I polled 4th with 11,723 votes on a campaign to stop corrupt corporate control of the Auckland region.

    This is the ‘Action Plan’ upon which I campaigned, to stop ‘white collar’ crime, corruption and ‘corporate welfare’:

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

    In my considered opinion, Transparency International’s ‘Corruption Perception Index’ is not worth the paper upon which it is written.

    How ‘transparent’ is the data upon which this ‘Corruption Perception Index’ is based?

    Is this ‘Corruption Perception Index’ not based upon the subjective opinions of anonymous business people?

    The ‘perception’ of New Zealand, as ‘the least corrupt country in the world’, is about as real as the ‘clean, green’ image.

    Pity that the reality doesn’t match the perception, and the FACTS don’t match the mantra?

    My opinion is considered, having now attended three international anti-corruption conferences, questioned and talked to anti-corruption experts, read the material, and carried out research no one else has here in New Zealand.

    Read it for yourself on http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz
    http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz
    http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz

    Penny Bright

    Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference

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  90. iMP (2,143 comments) says:

    Like that scoundrel and moral bankrupt JFK who was about to be exposed in 1963 and would not have been re-elected (and probably impeached), Mandela now “belongs to the ages” and is an icon, not a real person, inflated with myth beyond who he really was. His persona will be appropriated for other ends.

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  91. wikiriwhis business (3,269 comments) says:

    Yesterday, Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Minister Gerry Brownlee said a review of all zoned properties in the Port Hills had resulted in 237 going from green zone to red zone, and 33 going from red to green.

    For 95 property owners, rezoning had ”come as a surprise”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9483745/Rezoned-folk-shellshocked

    This is social terroism of the worst kind and another nail in National’s coffin. The economy better shoot up hard, fast and furious if National want to hold on in 2014

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  92. dime (8,742 comments) says:

    “Cue mawkish expressions of grief from right wingers who spent most of the 20th century opposing everything he did and stood for. The universe may well collapse under the weight of the hypocrisy.

    And they’ll forget that he was a close friend of Castro”

    He was a terrorist.. did some bad bad things.

    but hes dead. no need to re-litigate.

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  93. Rhodie (28 comments) says:

    Mandela has finally snuffed it – albeit 50 years overdue, but better late than never. The world is finally rid of this nasty evil

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  94. wikiriwhis business (3,269 comments) says:

    ‘Like that scoundrel and moral bankrupt JFK who was about to be exposed in 1963 and would not have been re-elected (and probably impeached), ‘

    Pfff…JFK was the most popular president of his time and in history. That’s why he was assassinated by the financial terroists from the Feral Federal Reserve he was going to close down.

    No one cried for that crook Nixon. Nor a Bush. Nor a Reagan.

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  95. wikiriwhis business (3,269 comments) says:

    ‘NZ POLITICS DAILY: Is NZ really the least corrupt country on earth?’

    ACC is absolutely corrupt and Judith Collins by implication

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  96. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson.

    “Cue mawkish expressions of grief from right wingers who spent most of the 20th century opposing everything he did and stood for.”

    Mandela’s greatness does not come from what he did during the apartheid era. The man was a terrorist.

    Mandela’s greatness came from what he did once he was released from prison, for that he deserves every accolade that comes his way.

    Oh…and as for the lefties still banging on about the Springbok Tour, I hope you do realise that your efforts did not make one ounce of difference in ending Apartheid.

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  97. martinh (824 comments) says:

    Big Bruv,
    its not about that its about whether Key has the balls to say if he was for or against apartheid. Its Key who is too chicken to say that- hes just a richer Colin Craig idiot

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  98. Komata (959 comments) says:

    Ummm…..

    Before the deification of the late Mandela begins, please remember that he was first and foremost a terrorist, responsible for murders of both black and white in his marxist -inspired determination to establish a socialist South Africa. In addition he was also very tribal in his outlook and determined to keep his Xhosa people ‘on top’ if that was possible. The methods used to achieve both ends were not exactly ‘peaceable’.

    Because of his terrorist activities, Mandela was imprisoned on Robben Island by the SA Government of the day. and as a result this 2-bit bandit became the ’cause celebre’ of white, socialistically-inclined intellectuals who idealised his fight against the ‘wicked and nasty’ Apartheid regime in power at the time. Noticeably, one Minto J. has since said that if he had known that SA was going to turn out the way it has 30 years after ‘independence’ he would never have become involved.

    Mandela a Saint? ‘Fraid not, as some of us who were around at the time will recall.

    But hey, why let facts get in the way of a good ‘saint-hood’ story?

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  99. wikiriwhis business (3,269 comments) says:

    Sweden key partner for US spying on Russia
    Sweden has been a key partner for the United States in spying on Russia, Swedish television reported today, citing leaked documents from the US National Security Agency (NSA).

    Swedish television said it had obtained the documents from Glenn Greenwald, the journalist who brought NSA contractor Edward Snowden’s leaks about mass surveillance by the agency to world attention.

    Greenwald tweeted today that the close relationship between the United States and Sweden could not be “overstated” and that this was the first of many revelations to come.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/9484568/Sweden-key-partner-for-US-spying-on-Russia

    The conspiracy rolls on

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  100. Fletch (5,712 comments) says:

    Before the deification of the late Mandela begins, please remember that he was first and foremost a terrorist, responsible for murders of both black and white in his marxist -inspired determination to establish a socialist South Africa.

    [Mandela] was himself originally incarcerated, not for his political views, but for involvement in 23 different acts of sabotage and conspiring to overthrow the government. He and his fellow conspirators of the ANC and the South African Communist Party were caught by the police while in the possession of 48,000 Soviet-made anti-personnel mines and 210,000 hand-grenades!*

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  101. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    Does Griff wear a bra? http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/05/health/youn-pot-moobs/index.html

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  102. Reid (15,498 comments) says:

    Comment on the litigation provisions in the EU version of the TPP which allows corporations to bring suit against govts making laws in their own countries.

    http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/357-europe/20752-the-lies-behind-this-transatlantic-trade-deal

    The more you read about the TPP, the less you want a bar of it, particularly when you consider it’s with the failing economy of the US which is going to continue failing for the foreseeable future.

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  103. Ross12 (926 comments) says:

    Why would Ambrose wait 2 years to start this ??

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/20184286/key-being-sued-for-defamation/

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  104. Komata (959 comments) says:

    Re: Sweden supporting US ‘spying’ on the former USSR.

    ‘Taint Nothing new. The Swede’s may have been deliberately politically-neutral during WW2, but they are no fools; with Ivan having acquired Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia and beaten Finland into some sort of submission, they were very aware that they could be next (especially having been defeated by Peter the Great, a few centuries earlier).

    Who was the strongest Western power? With the UK bankrupt as a result of WW2, , the American’s were the only option. So….

    Such action is known as ‘Political Realism’ (aka ‘Know your enemy’).

    BTW: The Russians were of course doing exactly the same from across the Baltic, but this ‘inconvenient’ detail is never, ever mentioned.

    Cue hysteria from the usual suspects and ‘useful idiots’.

    (The fact that the USA itself released this information is, of course, a good indication as to why the Americans cannot be trusted by their ‘friends’).

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  105. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    Bradley Ambrose is suing John Key for defamation:

    Mr Key’s lawyer Peter Kiely confirmed to NZ Newswire that he has received defamation proceedings filed by Bradley Ambrose.

    “Mr Key is and will be defending the alleged defamation,” Mr Kiely said.

    Mr Key is being sued for $1.25 million, Mr Kiely said.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Key-being-sued-for-defamation/tabid/423/articleID/324185/Default.aspx

    That would be an expensive cup of tea. It almost cost Key the election. It could cost him considerable inconvenience and dollars, even if nothing is awarded against him.

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  106. Colville (1,765 comments) says:

    So Ambrose waits 2 years then starts to make noise a year out from an election….

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  107. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    That’s rich from the bent Ambrose. Very rich, indeed.

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  108. iMP (2,143 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business…December 6th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    I THINK you’re wrong about Kennedy and this fits the mythologisation of politicians (ala Mandela today).

    1. The St. Petersburg Times, March 1, 1963, headlined “JFK Popularity Drops Six Points In A Month” “The 6-point drop-off is one of the sharpest declines in Kennedy’s popularity during any one-month period since he took office.”

    2. In the book “Popular Images of American Presidents” by William C. Spragens, in the chapter titled “Popular Images of JFK In Polling Data”, Spragens says “a source told the author that toward the end of his tenure, Kennedy was much concerned about his decline in popularity after the 1962 [midterm] elections…

    3. In Texas polling that month, the Houston Chronicle, published Nov. 22, 1963 headlined, “Chronicle Poll Sees Goldwater Over Kennedy; Conservatism Would Carry Republican in Critical Texas Areas”. The margins based on the poll are:

    52% Goldwater
    48% Kennedy

    It was precisely because of his declining popularity that he went to Dallas in the first place.

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  109. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    Whatever the Messiah’s government touches turns to shit: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/12/05/obamacare-site-for-congressional-staffers-crashes-n1758124

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  110. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    So Ambrose waits 2 years then starts to make noise a year out from an election….

    Exactly what I thought – a long time for him to decide if his feelings where hurt or not. Looks very political. I wonder who’s funding Ambrose.

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  111. edd (145 comments) says:

    John Key being sued for defamation?

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  112. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Who’d wana own airline shares…good job we flicked some of ours.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9485880/Qantas-shares-in-trading-halt

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  113. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    The left-leaning MSM hacks are enjoying the moment: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8767022/acts-history-is-a-horror-story

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  114. publicwatchdog (1,801 comments) says:

    Crikey! The ‘little people’ are having a go – all over the place!

    Seems that this concept that those who are elected to run the country can be held accountable – is catching on!

    Well – what you’d expect in New Zealand ‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ – sort of thing….?

    GO Bradley Ambrose!

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Key-being-sued-for-defamation/tabid/423/articleID/324185/Default.aspx

    Penny Bright

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  115. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    Hey Penny,

    Paid your rates and your water bill yet?

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  116. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    The utterly corrupt Miss Dim has arrived.

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  117. publicwatchdog (1,801 comments) says:

    Has the arguably ‘conflicted’ CEO of Auckland Council, Doug McKay (member of the unelected, $10,000 per year, invitation-only private lobby group – http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz membership ) ‘opened the books’ and given Auckland Council citizens and ratepayers the ‘devilish detail’ which shows exactly where public monies are being spent on private consultants and contractors, as per s17 of the Public Records Act 2005?

    (How many contracts for services provided by Auckland Council and Auckland Council CCO’s are going to member companies of the Committee for Auckland?)

    Thank you SO much ‘Big (ANONYMOUS/ GUTLESS) Bruv’ and ‘Boyolo’ (oops! ‘Manolo’).

    I’m sure that thanks to your consistent efforts, the next time I stand for public office, the number who vote for me as a PROVEN anti-corruption / anti-privatisation ‘Public Watchdog’ will increase.

    Kindest regards,

    Penny Bright

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  118. wat dabney (3,422 comments) says:

    Crikey! The ‘little people’ are having a go – all over the place!

    Perhaps one of the ‘little people’ should take out a private prosecution against you for stealing goods and services provided by the council?

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  119. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    Never mind all that Penny.

    I want to know why you are allowed to get away without paying your rates and your water bill. Do you have an inside person at the council?

    I also want to know if you receive any money from the tax payer/government on a weekly basis?

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  120. publicwatchdog (1,801 comments) says:

    Perhaps one of the ‘little people’ should take out a private prosecution against the CEO of Auckland Council Doug McKay, for failing to carry out his statutory duties under the Local Government Act 2002 and Public Records Act 2005?

    Penny Bright

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  121. publicwatchdog (1,801 comments) says:

    ‘Big (ANONYMOUS/GUTLESS) Bruv’

    It’s tricky dealing with your arguably willful thickness.

    I receive NO money from the taxpayer/ Govt on a weekly basis (don’t know how many times you’ve been told that I’m self-funded from flatmate income).

    FYI – I have been taken to Court twice over my refusal to pay rates because the ‘books’ are not open, and I have liens over my property which mean that the Council would get the money if and when I sell it.

    In the meantime, I continue to make a stand for gutless folk like yourself and Boyolo, (and others), in order to defend the ‘open, transparent and democratically-accountable’ Auckland Council, to which citizens and ratepayers are supposed to be lawfully entitled.

    Thanks for giving me yet ANOTHER opportunity to explain this.

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  122. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    Penny.

    I think it is time that you are taken to court for a third time. There is no reason at all why you should be able to bludge from the rest of us who pay rates and pay our water bills.

    I will keep asking Penny, not only because I despise parasites like yourself but because I know it gets under your skin.

    Oh…and as for your claim that you receive NO money from the taxpayer I simply don’t believe it.

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  123. dime (8,742 comments) says:

    Bruv, the good but not great Clarke just scored his 27th century..

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  124. stephieboy (1,099 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business (2,533 comments) says:
    December 6th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    As a matter of interest who fronts your X222 item about imminent world economic collapse .??
    Is there an Illuminati tie in with the presenter by chance .??

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  125. Manolo (12,607 comments) says:

    Miss Dim, you will remain a thoroughly corrupt individual in the eyes of many people for avoid paying your rates and crowing about it.

    You’re disqualified to speak about corruption because you represent the worst of it.

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  126. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    dime.

    If you are going to quote me Dime then at least get it right. I think I classed Clarke as very, very good and the player who one day might join the list of greats of the game.

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  127. dime (8,742 comments) says:

    He’s a great now.

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  128. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    I dunno Bruv- After being told by Tinman on the cricket thread last night that Bradman (career average 99) was “overrated” you would have to wonder how anybody could hope to become a ‘great of the game’….

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  129. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    Dime.

    Ask yourself this. Would Clarke make it into the all time Aussie team?

    If so, then yes he can be classed as a great. If not then he is not quite in that class.

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  130. martinh (824 comments) says:

    Whaleoil is making some pretty serious accusations about you on his website david farrar

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  131. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Ok now my turn…

    Bruv, will you withdrawn and apologise for saying there were no greats in the Australian cricket team??

    EDIT: See you’re already discussing this.

    So only the best 11 players in each country’s history can be termed “great”? WTF?

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  132. Tauhei Notts (1,508 comments) says:

    That cricket is boring to watch, but fascinating to follow.
    I just get the impression that a West Indies win, which was impossible yesterday morning, is now a faint possibility.

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  133. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Tauhei……………………NO!

    If that happens then even the huge McCullum fans big bruv and Longknives might have to reconsider their support :)

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  134. Longknives (4,039 comments) says:

    Not even this woeful ‘Slack Caps’ side could lose a match after knocking six hundred in the first innings….

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  135. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Great innings by Bravo though. Back to back Ashes hundreds by Clarke, what a captain

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  136. dime (8,742 comments) says:

    So under the Bruv standard, just how many great batsmen have their been? 10? 5?

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  137. Zapper (842 comments) says:

    Under the Bruv standard, Martin Johnson is a great but no All Black is (even those who were better players, better leaders and who had a far better win ratio).

    A safe rule of thumb is as manolo said, pay attention to longknives and big bruv when they’re talking about anything besides rugby. They show time and time again that they know zero about the game.

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  138. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    So under the Bruv standard, just how many great batsmen have their been? 10? 5?

    I think bruv has time travelled 30 years forward. Clearly you can’t be a great player if you get paid for playing and have advertisements on your shirt.

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  139. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Black Caps bowlers look knackered and miles down on pace. Doesn’t bode too well. Deficit only 60

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  140. david (2,482 comments) says:

    About time that the IRD had a look at Penny Bright’s financial arrangements. She has said that “her” house is owned by a Trust. If she has a life tenancy and the Trust hands over to her the rent paid by other tenants there are some interesting tax questions raised about income. Equally there may be questions of deemed distributions by the trust in the form of rent forgone, these also have tax questions around them. The Auckland Council may have a case against the Trustees for unpaid rates and Watercare likewise could have a case against the Trustees if the Water bills are not paid by the Trust which is, in reality the trustees.

    Personally I have had a gutsful of providing services (roads, buses, footpaths, libraries, swimming pools and the disposal of her shit to name a few) to this ignorant bludger.

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  141. OneTrack (1,950 comments) says:

    “Looks very political. I wonder who’s funding Ambrose.” Green party with parliamentary funds?

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  142. Steve (North Shore) (4,313 comments) says:

    Public Dog.

    Seems that this concept that those who are elected to run the country can be held accountable – is catching on!

    Now let’s talk about those elected to run a City. Is Len Brown being accountable for telling lies?

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  143. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    I’m self-funded from flatmate income

    No Penny you are not. You are supplied services, for free, by rate payers.

    BTW, you really need a boyfriend !

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  144. UglyTruth (2,989 comments) says:

    I have liens over my property which mean that the Council would get the money if and when I sell it.

    You could always lease it.

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  145. UglyTruth (2,989 comments) says:

    No Penny you are not. You are supplied services, for free, by rate payers.

    For example?

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  146. nasska (9,471 comments) says:

    Odds on who’s going to collect the Ashes…..

    6/4……Australia
    10/3… England
    8/15 …Graca Mandela

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  147. Harriet (4,001 comments) says:

    “….Like that scoundrel and moral bankrupt JFK who was about to be exposed in 1963 and would not have been re-elected (and probably impeached), Mandela now “belongs to the ages” and is an icon, not a real person, inflated with myth beyond who he really was. His persona will be appropriated for other ends….”

    American Thinker or Townhall had a piece at the time of JFK’s anniversery:

    Will the left get a useful white idiot to martyr Barry?

    The idea behind it was that Barry is much better for the left in the future dead than alive!!! :cool:

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  148. Chuck Bird (4,401 comments) says:

    Just got back from Auckland after my Case Management conference that finished just before 1:30. I can say without talking about the details of the case I am glad I did not waste good money on a lawyer. The other party who used to be a lawyer and IMHO is suffering from early stages of dementia so has paid a lawyer.

    The case was meant to be a 11:00 am but did not occur till about 1 pm. I was quite enjoying myself during the wait. I had the PhD candidate next to me me and after we finished talking about my case we were having interesting political discussions. I looked at the other party sitting glumly looking at his watch will his bill would have been going up at $400/hr.

    After his expense things went mostly my way as they should because I am telling the truth. The next Case Management conference is 4 Feb 2014. i am a lot more confident than I was this morning.

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  149. dime (8,742 comments) says:

    International Rugby Awards.

    World XV: Leigh Halfpenny (Wales), Ben Smith (NZ), Conrad Smith (NZ), Wesley Fofana (France), George North (Wales), Aaron Cruden (NZ), Aaron Smith (NZ), Kieran Read (NZ), Sam Warburton (Wales), Liam Messam (NZ), Sam Whitelock (NZ), Eben Etzebeth (South Africa), Adam Jones (Wales), Bismarck de Plessis (South Africa) Alex Corbisiero (England)
    Player of the year: Kieran Read (NZ)
    Newcomer of the year: Israel Folau (Australia)
    Team of the year: New Zealand

    only 7 kiwis.

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  150. KevinH (1,127 comments) says:

    Penny:
    http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/planspoliciesprojects/reports/annual_report/Pages/annualreport20122013.aspx

    The books have always been open, it takes a bit of time to read, perhaps you should try and read them.

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  151. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    Dime

    You think it should be more?

    Kieran Reid is lucky to be in that team. He was comprehensively out played in the first couple of tests this year by his opposite number.

    The only NZ player that there is no question about in that team is the great Conrad Smith.

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  152. Viking2 (10,687 comments) says:

    Pensioners worry about housing!

    How old does one need to be to qualify as a pensioner.?

    Well, the govt. doesn’t pay the pension until age 65 so, what’s with this in Stuff this morning.

    State housing tenants are reeling at the news that all of their tenancies are up for review.

    The Social Housing Reform Bill passed its third reading in Parliament on November 20 without a party vote being called.
    But Grey Lynn tenant Sue Williams is worried that there are no guarantees.

    The 62-year-old says the news has caused people living in her block of Housing New Zealand pensioner flats undue stress.

    Pauline Johns, 71, says her Grey Lynn pensioner flat is home.

    “I’ve been here for about 15 years and I thought I was moving here for life.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/auckland-city-harbour-news/9479737/Review-rocks-tenants

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  153. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    I call bull on that bb. You can’t name the team or “opposite number” in “the first couple of tests” and you can’t spell Read’s name. And I presume you don’t watch the All Blacks play so I don’t know how you can make judgements on players.

    The first two tests this year were against France. Read was captain in McCaw’s absence which added significantly to his responsibilities.

    The All Blacks won the first test 23-13. NZH rated Read’s performance a 7.0 which matched that of his opposite Louis Picamoles.

    The All Blacks won the second test 30-0 with “No 8 Kieran Read was inspirational in his 50th test despite being troubled by a painful blow to his lower back”.

    And that clinched a series win for captain Read’s All Blacks – and they won the third test 24-9.

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  154. MH (558 comments) says:

    Mexico has decided to send 6 pall bearer members of the Shining Light Jumping Bean Foundation to Mandela’s funeral in the RSA -to radiate the love. The Iranian leader I-ah-told-yer Co-Harmoney has promised a back up team of some of the leading lights of Iranian Nuclear Diplomatic Corpse if the Mexicans don’t make it, leading to speculation they intend to revive or gain access to SA’s suspended nuclear programme. Mme Fenton(NZ monitor) will ensure that no inappropriate eating can be seen along the route of the brightly lit procession. There have also been reports that there have been a rush for demand for tyres, both second hand and new throughout the country. Petrol stations have also reported a surge in demand and many have closed due to shortages. AP Rooter.

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