General Debate 9 December 2013

December 9th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Sofia (785 comments) says:

    Where is the Ernst & Young report on Auckland ‘Mayor’ Len Brown?
    How much is the report costing – any discount for missed deadline?

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  2. big bruv (12,386 comments) says:

    Has Len Brown resigned yet?

    Has Penny paid her rates and water bill yet?

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  3. flipper (3,274 comments) says:

    The ultra left wing producers at TVNZ (Watkin et al) are still at it, preparing false information and feeding it to their dilly bint, Street, to fire at J. Key.

    This morning John Key, was moved to tell her that what she stated as “fact” was “just not true/correct”…. Not ONCE, but THREE TIMES ….all on the illusory child poverty issue..

    Child poverty can be seen and experienced on several Fijian islands

    Child poverty does NOT exist in South Auckland or Porirua. Parental neglect is the problem No more, no less.

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  4. Sofia (785 comments) says:

    Why does Auckland City Council not collect Penny Bright’s rates?

    1] She, or Lisa, has actually paid them
    2] They haven’t read kiwiblog since 2008
    3] After Len Brown they don’t want to be seen as ‘down on women’
    4] They are too busy white-washing the Ernst Young Report on their Fucking Mayor
    5] Political cowardice

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  5. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/one-in-six-kiwi-kids-living-without-basics-report-finds-5766050?ref=newslettermorning

    The new report, called the Child Poverty Monitor, was released this morning.

    It shows:

    - Twenty five percent, or 265,000, New Zealand children are growing up in poverty.
    - 180,000 Kiwi kids are missing out on the things they need, such as fresh fruit and vegetables, visits to the doctor, meals, having a bed and a warm house.
    - One in three Maori children are in poverty. It is the same statistic for the Pasifika community.
    - Three out of five children in poverty spend seven years or more in poverty.
    - Thousands of children from poor neighbourhoods are hospitalised with respiratory disease, such as rheumatic fever, and skin infections, as a result of living in poverty.
    - Children born to solo beneficiary parents, which amounted to 60% of those in poverty, were the most likely to get sick or injured.
    - Families live off less than 60% of New Zealand’s median income.
    - Fifty one percent of children in poverty came from sole parent families.

    ————————————————

    I agree it is the parent’s responsibility to make sure their children have the basic necessities according to our society’s values. I don’t agree that parents are just not providing them – some might due to issues with drugs and alcohol, but many just don’t because they simply don’t know any better.

    We are currently into our third generation of families who lack work ethic, and decent ideals on raising children in some areas. For those second and third generations, they have simply no idea of what is required and which goals they should be aspiring to, regarding bringing up children.

    Instead of throwing money at the material problems, we need to accept that although it is the parent’s job to teach future generations they aren’t, all they are teaching them is learned hopelessness. Human Development 101 needs to be part of the education criteria. Teach them what children need, before they have their own.

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  6. Colville (1,780 comments) says:

    Sofia. @ 8.24
    The Council simply dont want to give that mad woman extra oxygen by picking a fight. She cannot sell he house without paying the rates and if the bill gets too high (including the vast penalties she will be clocking up) then Council will just ask Ms Dims bank to pay it and the bank will pay it without a care in the world.

    Ms Dim IS paying her rates (and penalties) she is just to thick to know it.

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  7. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    Not that Penny’s political protest in not paying her rates is my business – its between her and the council as far as I’m concerned and as I haven’t paid rates in Auckland since the 1990′s – ain’t my issue…. but…

    I am pretty sure I have read on here that Penny’s home is owned by a trust, not her personally. So, the question should be, as the trust that owns the home Penny resides in paid their rates yet. (Would need to read back to find the post about the trust to be sure, and I can’t be bothered – simply not important enough to me)

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  8. Other_Andy (2,079 comments) says:

    @Sophia

    “Where is the Ernst & Young report on Auckland ‘Mayor’ Len Brown?”

    Len and his spin doctors are working on it.
    When it comes out you’ll find that is was all a right-wing conspiracy.
    However, if they can shoe-horn in another left wing candidate when the report comes out his backers might convince him to resign.

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  9. flipper (3,274 comments) says:

    Judith…
    Sorry, but the whole issue is illusory.

    I have two very good, and extremely wealthy friends, Sir Douglas Myers and Bob Jones.

    Compared to them, I am poor.

    The whole problem with this dilly measuring poverty game is what one measures…and what that is compared, is it not?

    Adverse relativity is NOT poverty. Do we have relativity differentials? Yep.
    The nearest example of REAL child poverty is to be found in the outlying Fijian islands. In NZ there is NO poverty.

    Do we have a neglect problem? Yes.

    Real poverty in New Zealand ????
    Absolute garbage.

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  10. fernglas (36 comments) says:

    If Penny’s home is owned by a trust, and she is living off the income from flatmates, not a benefit, as as she told us recently, does that mean that the trust has been making distributions to her as a beneficiary? And has the trust, which is clearly trading, been paying income tax on the rental received? Is Penny herself paying the trust rent for her use of the property? If not, is the trust a sham? If so, is Penny herself liable to pay income tax on the money she receives from flatmates? If she is, is she deducting the unpaid rates from her assessable income? So many questions, so little point.

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  11. nasska (9,558 comments) says:

    Judith

    …..” Teach them what children need, before they have their own.”….

    The idea that the taxpayer needs to step in to cover for generational deficiencies in parenting grates but you are correct. The horse has bolted as far as the drop kick parents of today but intervention before the present children start breeding is about the only hope for the future.

    Problem is that the only organisations with access to the kids are the schools which should be educating the next generation….not bringing it up. Once again the touchy feely socialist teachers will have another crack at producing good little comrades for the NWO.

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  12. Ross12 (931 comments) says:

    I hear Norman ( if he is part of the next Govt.) is offering to buy back Meridan shares from those who don’t want to pay the second installment. A few points from this :

    1. Since the Greens would be a junior partner in the Government ,if it got in, how can he now make this grand announcement now. Doesn’t Labour have a say ??

    2. Has he already bought his printing press ?

    3. If somone has paid for the first installment I would presume they have made their own decision already with regard the investment / risk and would not be persuaded by Norman. ( He thinks the Govt could end up with 68% of the shares ).

    4. Even IF they they got into Govt. and went ahead with this “buy back” what is the difference between 51% and 68% ?
    ( yes there are some more dividends but there is an interest cost on the more used to buy back)

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  13. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ flipper (2,809 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    I accept what you are saying, they are really only terms.

    We have relative child poverty here in NZ – that is, when you compare the standards overall, and you take the measure of what the basic requirements according to New Zealand’s standards, then there are those that are living in situations that are far below what most of us would consider to be necessities.

    We could all point to other countries that provide much less, where children die of starvation – that that is not the issue.

    The issue is this is New Zealand – and therefore of concern to all of us. Now if we are happy to be seen as a country were a few have a great deal, many have an average amount and many have little and a few very little – then that is fine.

    Personally I am not happy with it. I am not happy that if we don’t do something constructive, my grandchildren will be having this same conversations in 30 years time.

    We have to accept that it is OUR problem, and take the steps to ensure that future generations have the skills and the work ethic to be self-sufficient – we simply CANNOT leave it to the parents any longer – they are not doing their job – many because their own parents didn’t teach them. If we want to get rid of these problems (and poverty isn’t the only one) then we have to find a way of impressing on ALL children the skills and ideals that are required. We have to accept that there are lousy parents out there that are simply not going to do it. If we want this to be a better country, then we have to do it for them.

    I am not talking about feeding and clothing the children, I”m talking about teaching them life skills – child rearing skills budgeting etc.

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  14. kowtow (6,733 comments) says:

    judith seems to think that having a few classes will fix childhood poverty.

    Look at the stats.The hint is children born into that fashionable new category of family.2 of the 8 factors relate to solo parents.

    The breakdown of traditional values and institutions in western society is at the heart of this leftist, manufactured crisis.

    And the answer to the problem ,from the leftists who have created it? More state intervention.

    Haven’t they done enough damage?

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  15. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ nasska (8,283 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    I totally agree. It grates the living hell out of me to. I’ve raised my kids and done a good job. They are all self-sufficient, intelligent, cheeky, shit-stirrers – just like their Mum. But I know none of them will ever neglect their children in any way – either emotionally or materially.

    I annoys me that I should have to contribute towards doing for others, what I’ve already done – but I’ve taken a good look at this (often from a criminal offences point of view) and it stands out loud and clear – many parents just simply do not have the skills they need. They love their kids, but they know nothing about budgeting, role modelling, rules setting, boundaries, and even nutrition.

    Sad as it is, if we want this country to be better in 10 years, someone has to teach these things.

    So, how’s ya nappy changing skills?

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  16. nasska (9,558 comments) says:

    ….”So, how’s ya nappy changing skills?”….

    Rusty & I have every intention of neglecting them further!

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  17. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ kowtow (5,840 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Worrying about who created the problem, is not going to fix it, is it?

    The fact is, that the last two generations have had no role modelling, except bad ones (in the homes we are talking about).

    I thank my parent’s for giving me all the basic skills in life – they taught me how to budget (and now money is not a big issue for me), they taught me how to set goals, and boundaries, and manners – (all which have ensured I’ve had the drive to obtain good skills and qualifications, and know what to do to get the things I want). They taught me what I was going to face in life – I wasn’t allowed to drive before I could change the oil in the car – and they made damn sure I knew what was required in having children, by making me babysit other peoples kids. They set me up for life giving me those skills – today, the kids we are talking about aren’t taught that, because their parent’s weren’t taught that.

    If we continue to point the finger at those responsible, we will always be having this same conversation. Someone is going to have to get off their butt and make some unpopular policy – and I don’t mean feed the kids (that won’t work).

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  18. jcuk (512 comments) says:

    There was a woman on radio this morning complaining she didn’t have enough money …. six children! Says it all and they expect a government handout. I feel for the children but not the stupid woman who brought the problem on herself

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  19. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    It’s obviously not an easy problem to resolve when half of those kids deemed to be in ‘poverty’ are in sole parent families.

    The State cannot make birth control compulsory, nor can it make two parent families compulsory. Taxing some people more, reducing pensions and increasing benefits is not going to address the core issues – there’s a possibility it will make the single parent family more attractive and therefore make the problem worse.

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  20. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    kowtow your really off beam.
    Certainly left leaning governments were responsible for creating welfare based societies including graduated tax regimes to provide for health care.
    It was rightist governments like National here and e.g the Conservatives in the UK that were responsible not only for their maintenance and indeed in some instances their expansion The DPP is a good example of this.
    The breakdown of Western values has more to do with the decline of Religious beliefs , values and observance and the rise of secularism in its place.
    It is a far more complex phenomena than your Libertarian , left vs right based mantras would try to suggest.

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  21. jcuk (512 comments) says:

    Since poverty as measured is relative the solution is to tax the wealthy so the the bar is lowered.

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  22. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @jcuk (346 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Exactly! And what message has she given six of those kids? Complain and ye shall receive?

    The kids are here now, can’t be sent back, so what do we do?

    We don’t give solo parent’s state houses unless they share with another solo parent. So they can jointly child care, and job share.

    IF young women get pregnant whilst school age, they don’t get benefit unless they continue to attend school and qualify.

    We don’t close down schools at 3.30 – we have billions of dollars of assets being unused, so we make the unemployed attend classes at night school – if they don’t, they don’t get their benefit. We make the unemployed work in the creche’s whilst the young mothers attend classes that teach them what they need to provide their children…. and so on.

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  23. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    According to the socialists more money will solve this “problem”: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8768020/one-in-six-kiwi-kids-go-without

    Where are the parents? Where are the bastards who send their children to school without breakfast?

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  24. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (20,069 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Unmarried solo parent’s actually aren’t the biggest problem – it is couples that separate that are.

    The vast majority of those on DPB are from broken families.

    So, what do we do about that?

    We make the couple (providing violence isn’t involved) take six months to separate – that is for six months the get assistance to try and work it out – assistance can be budgeting assistance, parenting skills, etc. Then if after six months there is no fixing the relationship – we will offer financial assistance for the children.

    One of the worst policies we have is giving welfare to couples the day after they separate – there is no incentive to try. No immediate payment on relationship breakdown – (unless violence) -

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  25. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    Expect comrade Norman to condemn people from Ukraine for offending his idol: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/09/world/europe/kiev-teems-with-pro-europe-protesters-as-thousands-more-gather.html?_r=0

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  26. flipper (3,274 comments) says:

    Judith…
    I cannot fault your vision…. but, just for arguments sake, …. are we talking fences at the top, or ambulances at the bottom????

    Never, ever, has every man been equal with every other man. Those with the biggest biceps, and biggest clubs, ruled stone age man. They got the most food, the best caves, the most attractive women, and had the most slaves. There was inequality then, and nothing has changed.

    Branches of Christianity have sought change and equality, but few practitioners (perhaps excluding some Jesuits) practiced what they preached. The modern example, Marxism, was/is really about power in all its forms , not economic equality. Fascism was as much driven by a desire for equality in output, as it was by obscene racial and other policies. But the underlying objective was always power, and personal wealth by expropriation.
    Socialism, circa 2013/14, is still about power.

    All any decent society can do, IMV, is to give everyone an opportunity. Equality of opportunity will vary according to where one starts. But never, ever, will there be equality in outcomes. To achieve equality in outcomes would require a regime, and policies, that do not warrant consideration.

    And so we will continue – going around and around, but never reaching a conclusion acceptable to all. :-)

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  27. cha (3,541 comments) says:

    Lenin, the Ukrainian John Ballance.

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  28. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    Manolo you like Fletch and Harriet remind me of this fella Joseph Francis Fallah founder of the so called World Net Daily blog. This espouses a number of lunatic fringe and wacky ideas on the far right . This includes soybeans cause gayness and as you will see a leading Birther who also apparently wrote the Tea party Manifesto.
    He currently believes that Obama’s second term will usher in an armed rebellion to be put down by the UN as a precursor for the NWO.
    Am not sure if like Alex Jone’s if Fallah believes Obama is in fact the anti Christ .

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/joseph-francis-farah

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  29. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Unmarried solo parent’s actually aren’t the biggest problem – it is couples that separate that are.

    And solo parents who have never lived as a couple in a meaningful relationship.

    In the old days (not that long ago) most teenage boys who got a girl pregnant were pretty much made to marry and live as a couple. Now a significant number of boys and men never live in a meaningful or responsible family relationship.

    If they aren’t inclined to care for their progeny in the best way possible then maybe they are best to remain separated from their kids. Males who root with no intention of taking any responsibility are a major factor in the solo parent and ‘poverty’ problems.

    Legislation and tax won’t make a male be a decent Dad.

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  30. Reid (15,603 comments) says:

    …many just don’t because they simply don’t know any better…I’ve taken a good look at this (often from a criminal offences point of view) and it stands out loud and clear – many parents just simply do not have the skills they need. They love their kids, but they know nothing about budgeting, role modelling, rules setting, boundaries, and even nutrition.

    In the criminal offences context you’re coming to people who are very strongly motivated to put themselves across in the best possible light to everyone involved in the process including their own lawyer. This doesn’t mean you’re not astute enough to see through disingenuity Judith it simply means you’re seeing them in that context.

    Getting yourself and your family out of poverty (and no-one else is going to do it), IMO, is a combination of education and also spiritual values. I don’t mean religious values and readers please don’t assume that. I mean values like self-discipline, courage, determination, integrity, self-worth, tenacity, ability to defer self-gratification and all of those things. Without those values operating inside of oneself, one will always give up when the going gets hard, one will always indulge oneself when it comes to the choice of paying for the school trip or buying oneself a new computer game from the man at the pub, etc.

    The education takes care of the head-space, the instillation of proper and correct values takes care of the heart. Both of those are equally important and unless and until we provide them with both through whatever means necessary, nothing will change.

    But the problem is, as I’ve said many times here, one side of the political spectrum insists on playing up incorrect values because without them they will get no votes. So they pretend that these people are not broken on the inside, they pretend instead that they are whole but suppressed by hidden external forces which the politicians will fight on their behalf.

    If conservatives had any idea what they were doing they would go public on this tactic because people aren’t stupid. What I’ve said above is a universal truth, one that everyone regardless of intellect intuitively knows, and the way to stop it from being practiced is to surface from the subconscious to the conscious mind. The possession and practice of those above values is the ONLY thing that separates the poor from the average middle-class and the wealthy and the extent to which one practices them governs the extent of the wealth one gathers over a lifetime. (There are other values in addition to those above, they are simple exemplars to give the flavour. You know what I mean.)

    But will that happen? Unless and until it does, nothing will change. It’s a shame the Children’s Commissioner doesn’t do some research into those values in terms of who possesses them and who doesn’t, isn’t it.

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  31. Odakyu-sen (248 comments) says:

    Judith, I agree that some parents need to be re-educated, monitored and controlled so that they do a better job of raising their children. The problem is how do you control such authority?

    People are not all the same; half of them are of below-average intelligence.

    How do we install a common-sense enforcement program that will discriminate between those who can parent properly and those who can’t?

    Just as an aside, I wonder if any research has been conducted to identify the vested interests in NZ society who benefit from having a significant population of needy, helpless people?

    /Rant mode ON/ I feel that the morality of a system is measured in its outcome. If money has been fed into a system for years, and the problem has not been reduced, then something may be wrong with the system. In fact, by “growing” the problem, the system itself could be said to be immoral. It’s the old story: the more you do for people, the less they do for themselves. /Rant mode OFF/

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  32. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    The Federal Reserve’s cult of secrecy is unmasked

    The recent audit of the Federal Reserve by the Government Accountability Office is particularly disturbing if read alongside the last report to Congress by the Fed’s Inspector General.

    The GAO audit found a huge number of serious conflicts of interest at the Fed. Employees and contractors were allowed to own stock in the companies receiving financial assistance from the central bank.

    By the way, your taxpayers’ dollars have already paid for this document. So feel free to download a copy from this URL:
    http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-696

    The Government Accountability Office determined the Fed’s policies were too weak to mitigate the harm to the taxpayers that could result of these widespread conflicts of interest. When the conflicts of interest were so blindingly obvious that they could not be ignored, the Fed simply waived them.

    The Fed has its own internal watchdog, the Office of Inspector General. That office somehow managed to fail to notice any of these problems in its most recent report to Congress. As with the GAO audit, you’ve already paid for it through your taxes, so feel free to download a copy from this URL:
    http://www.federalreserve.gov/oig/files/SAR_March__2011_web.pdf

    In short, the Federal Reserve’s Inspector General’s Office is lap dog, not a watchdog.

    Inspector General Elizabeth A. Coleman, who has subsequently retired from the position, either didn’t notice the grave inadequacies uncovered by the GAO audit or didn’t think that they were worthy of mention. If you dig deep enough, long enough, you will find some hair-raising revelations on other matters, however. The Inspector General tucked away some seriously worrying revelations about bank inspections out of sight in the body of the report.

    http://online.wsj.com/community/groups/hard-times-investing-1390/topics/federal-reserves-cult-secrecy-unmasked?commentid=6724758

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  33. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    US citizens are now fixing our government, and our Treasury Department is issuing strong US dollars backed by 170,500 metric tonnes of gold allocated to us on deposit in the Bank of Hawaii allocated to us from the Collateral Account. US Con…gress is under our microscope https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/ldauster.pdf

    http://online.wsj.com/community/groups/hard-times-investing-1390/topics/federal-reserves-cult-secrecy-unmasked?commentid=6724758
    #karenhudes

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  34. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    It’s not just education, it’s a will to be a good parent. People who want to be good parents do their best to become good parents.

    In the old days most young people who became parents took a crash course in parenting. I did, and like many people I succeeded pretty well, I’m very proud of how my kids turned out. I had no parenting education at all.

    How can education make young males in particular responsible and willing parents? Love 101?

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  35. kowtow (6,733 comments) says:

    Here’s one for the taxpayer alliance.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9493285/PM-wants-official-photographer

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  36. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    Child Poverty – I had a crack at the ever expanding green leader on twitter. I got this back:

    “Neo liberal economic theory has dominated our country for nearly 30 years. IT FAILED OUR KIDS. Don’t lecture me on who’s useless.”

    They love using the word Neo eh?

    This is Dimes view:

    I’m 37. I grew up in West Auckland. Growing up I guess I was amongst the first generation that had kids growing up for their entire childhood on welfare. I know people knows parents have never worked. They are now over 65.

    Then you get to my generation. Id say half of my friends/acquaintances had never worked by age 20. Amongst those, the girls were the “rich ones”. They had kids and the DPB. Every second Wednesday (i think), it was all go. They would buy drinks for everyone etc

    Fast forward to age 30. Most of the guys from the original slacker group had some sort of low paying job by now. Most of the girls were still happy on the DPB. Usually living with different guys at different times, never going off the benefit.

    Fast forward to present day, a bunch of those girls are still on welfare. Never worked. At age 37. One recently got a job (cause of mean national), shes all proud of herself but still hates national…

    So, their kids are now 18 or older. some already have kids. the younger ones are planning their next tattoos. Quiz the parents and the kids seem to have no intention to go onto further study. cant wait to leave school etc

    after reading that, can someone tell me how “right wing economics” is to blame?

    its starts with a lazy generation and then growing up to believe they are entitled to free money, forever.

    Oh yeah, they all resent the rich. they all say things like “its ok for you dime, youre rich”. to which i reply “yeah, it all just fell into my lap!”

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  37. alex Masterley (1,439 comments) says:

    What is neo-liberal economic theory? Or is it a ritualised term of abuse?
    Can some-one please explain.

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  38. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    How did the Black Caps snatch a draw from the jaws of victory… FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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  39. OneTrack (1,979 comments) says:

    “Teach them what children need, before they have their own.”

    Or, we could just pay them thousands of dollars a year to have children before they are ready and when they have more.

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  40. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ flipper (2,810 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Of course we will never be equal, never have been. People will always have different goals and values etc, however, in our society there are some ‘standards’ – that is we expect most people to be self-sufficient (now self-sufficiency varies – my standards require that to be self sufficient I MUST have a car, that is reliable and so on, whilst others, self-sufficiency requires to have a good pair of walking shoes, or a bus fare).

    There will always be those that have more – bigger houses, even those that own homes and those that rent. I’m not promoting anything like everyone having the same share. It’s about everyone reaching the ‘bottom standard’ or better.

    What is the basic acceptable standard – and that is what children should be provided with BY THEIR PARENTS.

    PG has said people who want to be good parents do their best to be good parents – I don’t agree. People might want to be good parents, but when life doesn’t work out how they expect, they fall out of love with the other parent, money worries, drugs, even a difficult child – can all change that desire and things get in the way.

    The other fact is, people become parents who don’t really want to be parents – many are just playing the game. Which is why we need to teach young people, right from little children, what is involved in being a parent (not from their own parents example, because sadly that is a poor one for many).

    I know all the arguments, we shouldn’t have to, it’s not our job, and so on … but the fact is, if we don’t the next generation will be the same, having babies for a meal ticket, not raising them with any sense of self-sufficiency or work ethic and it will keep happening.

    I would say that every single person that posts on here is a good parent, and does their best – but we just have to accept that there are a heap of people that don’t share, or don’t know the values we do. There are those that quite simply DON’T think it through and realise that they are not doing it right, especially those that were dragged up the same way.

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  41. OneTrack (1,979 comments) says:

    “I am pretty sure I have read on here that Penny’s home is owned by a trust, not her personally.”

    But, but, I thought hiding property in a trust was only what rich pricks did. Sounds like a job for a public watchdog.

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  42. OneTrack (1,979 comments) says:

    “Since the Greens would be a junior partner in the Government ,if it got in, how can he now make this grand announcement now. Doesn’t Labour have a say ??”

    Since “everybody” is against selling the “assets”, “everybody” will now vote Green to ensure that the government buys back the asset. Which will make Norman the senior partner in the coalition of the envious. Easy.

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  43. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Wonder what APN thinks of this employee?

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/12/green-party-candidate-wants-execute-female-young-nats/

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  44. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ dime (7,869 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Yep, I grew up a Westie (before you) and I agree, which is why I keep saying, this is a generational thing. We have two even three generations of people who don’t know what a decent work ethic is – the current generation, (many of them) have no example to follow. They do what most in their family, their role models do.

    If we want to change it – we have to show them what is the right way – it’s the old ‘protestant work ethic’. You can’t expect people to do what they don’t know. Punishing them by removing the benefit or whatever won’t work. But rewarding them and showing them what can be achieved will. But it’s those that have done it that have to show – because left to the family – well it’s just have another joint and/or a baby.

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  45. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘He currently believes that Obama’s second term will usher in an armed rebellion to be put down by the UN as a precursor for the NWO.’

    Could you then enlighten us on why Homeland security ( a term straight from Nazi Germany) bought 1 billion + rounds of ammunition?

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  46. OneTrack (1,979 comments) says:

    “If we continue to point the finger at those responsible, we will always be having this same conversation”

    But “we” don’t point the finger at those responsible. “We” call it “poverty” ™ because those families are on less than 60% of the average wage. What is the lefts answer to poverty – take money off people who are/have raising their children properly and give it to dropkicks who will just as likely spend it on more drugs or booze, and the kids will still come to school without breakfast.

    It’s all John Keys fault – just ask David Cunliffe, Meteria Turei, Jacinda Ardern and Russel Normal.

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  47. kowtow (6,733 comments) says:

    A “poster couple ” for civil union failure?Moa and “partner” split.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/relationships/news/article.cfm?c_id=41&objectid=11168868

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  48. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (20,071 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    How can education make young males in particular responsible and willing parents? Love 101?

    You tell them what their parents aren’t. Show them the books.

    If you get a girl pregnant, it will cost you X amount out of your pay each year for 18-19 years.
    You show them the stats that indicate that child – their child – will live in ‘poverty’ – will grow up to be a criminal offender, unemployed etc etc.
    You show them how much taxes the country is paying to support that child and it’s mother.

    And ask him – is a shag without a condom really worth that amount. Tell them when they are 13 – before they become sexually active.

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  49. OneTrack (1,979 comments) says:

    “The breakdown of Western values has more to do with the decline of Religious beliefs , values and observance and the rise of secularism in its place.
    It is a far more complex phenomena than your Libertarian , left vs right based mantras would try to suggest”

    Would it be due in a large part to progressivism then?

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  50. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    Family falls through the gaps

    Welfare groups are helping a Christchurch mother and her three children move into a tent in a public park because they cannot find the family a home.

    From today, Maori wardens will stand guard 24 hours a day to provide Nellie Hunt and her children some security at their tent in Waltham Park.

    The family was served with a 90-day eviction notice in September when their landlord decided to sell their Waltham rental home.

    Today is day 90.

    Over the past three months the agencies set up to protect people in difficult situations have exhausted all options and say Hunt has “fallen through the gaps”.

    Hunt said: “In all my days I did not think it would come to this. I don’t know what we are going to do.

    “I just want a home for me and my three babies and I feel like I have failed them badly. It is the worst feeling in the world.”

    The single mother has been on the Housing New Zealand waiting list for months. She has applied and been rejected by dozens of rental homes and three different social agencies have combed the city for accommodation without success

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9492231/Family-falls-through-the-gaps

    This story does not prove there is poverty in this country but goes a long way to supporting the ‘theory’

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  51. OneTrack (1,979 comments) says:

    “How can education make young males in particular responsible and willing parents? Love 101?”

    In the new progressive world, the only course they need is “Child Support 101″.

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  52. kowtow (6,733 comments) says:

    dime

    fast forward to the grand parents who are now crashing into A&E ,making taxpayers pay for their “lifestyle” choices.

    Though this is a British story, I’d say the same thing ‘s happening all over the once proud west.

    We reap as we sow.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2520132/Record-numbers-pensioners-taken-A-amp-E-poisoning-cocaine-cannabis.html

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  53. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    What is neo-liberal economic theory? Or is it a ritualised term of abuse?

    It’s a ritualised term of abuse going by frequent explanations or exclamations The Standard.

    Otherwise it’s code for “everything that went wrong in the last thirty years” and requires socialism to fix it.

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  54. Fletch (5,727 comments) says:

    Kiwi blogger Trevor Loudon points out on his blog today that the communists in South Africa have admitted Nelson Mandela’s leadership role. Loudon reports, “Mandela wasn’t just a member of the Moscow-controlled party. He was a secret leader of the SACP [South African Communist Party]’s Central Committee.” The SACP confirms this in a release.

    From the SACP’s Umsebenzi Online:

    Last night the millions of the people of South Africa, majority of whom the working class and poor, and the billions of the rest of the people the world over, lost a true revolutionary, President Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela, Tata Madiba.

    The South African Communist Party (SACP) joins the people of South Africa and the world in expressing its most sincere condolences to Ms Graca Machel and the entire Mandela family on the loss of what President Zuma correctly described as South Africa’s greatest son, Comrade Mandela. We also wish to use this opportunity to express our solidarity with the African National Congress, an organisation that produced him and that he also served with distinction, as well as all his colleagues and comrades in our broader liberation movement. As Tata Madiba said: “It is not the kings and generals that make history but the masses of the people, the workers, the peasants…”

    The passing away of Cde Mandela marks an end to the life of one of the greatest revolutionaries of the 20th century, who fought for freedom and against all forms of oppression in both their countries and globally. As part of the masses that make history, Cde Mandela’s contribution in the struggle for freedom was located and steeled in the collective membership and leadership of our revolutionary national liberation movement as led by the ANC – for he was not an island. In Cde Mandela we had a brave and courageous soldier, patriot and internationalist who, to borrow from Che Guevara, was a true revolutionary guided by great feelings of love for his people, an outstanding feature of all genuine people’s revolutionaries.

    At his arrest in August 1962, Nelson Mandela was not only a member of the then underground South African Communist Party, but was also a member of our Party’s Central Committee. To us as South African communists, Cde Mandela shall forever symbolise the monumental contribution of the SACP in our liberation struggle. The contribution of communists in the struggle to achieve the South African freedom has very few parallels in the history of our country. After his release from prison in 1990, Cde Madiba became a great and close friend of the communists till his last days….

    In honour of this gallant fighter the SACP will intensify the struggle against all forms of inequality, including intensifying the struggle for socialism, as the only political and economic solution to the problems facing humanity.

    http://www.trevorloudon.com/2013/12/south-african-communists-finally-admit-nelson-mandelas-party-leadership-role/

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  55. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    Hunt on for reformed ex-prisoners

    It might be the last thing a reformed criminal wants to hear – the Corrections Department is on your trail.

    It’s keen to track down young former prisoners who have successfully turned their lives around, in the hope that they can help others to follow the straight and narrow.

    The department has tendered for a third party to find 50 former high-risk inmates who have not reoffended for at least three years, despite having being assessed as being likely to do so.

    It wants to find out what has kept the young people, aged between 17 to 20 at the time of their imprisonment and who had been in jail more than once, out of prison since, and how they can help current and future prisoners do the same.

    The successful tenderer will be given a list of 80 names, including the most recent contact details for each former prisoner.

    It is hoped at least 50 will be found, and will agree to an hour-long interview for which they will be paid $50.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9492086/Hunt-on-for-reformed-ex-prisoners

    This is actually an opportunity for Kiwi bloggers to feel vindicated the system works. why do I get theimpression they won’t be impressed?

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  56. OneTrack (1,979 comments) says:

    “She has applied and been rejected by dozens of rental homes and three different social agencies have combed the city for accommodation without success”

    Is there an underlying message that she has been through a few tenancies and now nobody wants her back. Maybe a few wild parties with the whanau, and a good house trashing or two?

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  57. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    “But rewarding them and showing them what can be achieved will.”

    yep. they just have no aspirations. its almost like they need a taste of the good life!

    Some sort of mentoring program would be good. but screw that in this day n age where all men are seen as sex offenders.

    i was on facebook a couple of months ago and a pic of a guy i know popped up. he was wearing the same hoodie he was wearing when i used to see him all the time – about 4 years ago. then it dawned upon me, a new hoodie is a major purchase for someone like him. how fucking sad is that?

    then i see FB posts of the unemployed people i know.. aged 30+. it will be pics of them drinking on a tuesday afternoon “best day ever” etc

    none have been for job interviews for years. everyone thinks it sucks rich people dont pay enough tax and that the govt is stingy. (i know, i run in some dodgy circles).

    course, you listen to the greens, these people are all saints.

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  58. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘Though this is a British story, I’d say the same thing ‘s happening all over the once proud west.

    We reap as we sow.’

    Utter lie as any informed alternative media reader would know.

    Brits are committing suicide because of the austerity measures waged against them because of corrupt bankers from teh City of London as has been announced by the MSM during the Libor rate rigging scandal. Also the banker technocrats of the EU that allowed Goldman Sachs et al strip Greece and cause a domino effect across Europe.

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  59. OneTrack (1,979 comments) says:

    Pete – “Otherwise it’s code for “everything that went wrong in the last thirty years” and requires socialism to fix it.”

    If its the Standard, then whatever it is requires Communism to fix it.

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  60. Odakyu-sen (248 comments) says:

    Judith: “– it’s the old ‘protestant work ethic’

    And if that doesn’t work, there’s always good old Japanese “haji” (like turbo-charged “peer pressure” but instead of “peers” it’s the whole damned neighborhood looking at you.) (Not to be confused with Western “guilt” which is internal. (“Haji” is external. Often mis-translated as “shame,” but it’s much more potent.)

    I suspect that Polynesian culture (which has its origins in SE Asia) would respond very well to a “haji”-based program. It would certainly push the behavoral buttons buried deep down in their subconscious.

    You can Google “haji” yourself and see what you come up with. (A word of caution: “haji” can be a double-edged sword, and can be quite inhibiting and anti-individualistic in practice in Japan.)

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  61. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘then i see FB posts of the unemployed people i know.. aged 30+. it will be pics of them drinking on a tuesday afternoon “best day ever” etc ‘

    If in Chch it’s because all the labour for rebuilding has been outsourced off shore from Asia. Kiwi’s can’t get work thay have been cut off from.

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  62. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘How did the Black Caps snatch a draw from the jaws of victory’

    Must have caught a virus from Team NZ!

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  63. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business (2,563 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 9:55 am
    Wiki all kinds of Conspiracy theories flourish about the Federal Reserve and right from the of Father Mc Loughlin, John Birch Society and today” luminaries” like Alex Jones blame it or almost everything. This include manipulating the money supply that caused the last Great Depression, 1930s present Debt crises , inflation and other recessions

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve
    Often Jews are also said to be behind the Conspiracies and the Fed Reserve.

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  64. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    “If in Chch it’s because all the labour for rebuilding has been outsourced off shore from Asia. Kiwi’s can’t get work thay have been cut off from.”

    Auckland. Nothing to do with lack of jobs.

    It is funny to say “found a job yet?”

    “nah, no ones hiring”

    “how many have you applied for?”

    silence. or “i looked on seek but they all want experience”

    “tried maccas?”

    “im not working there!!!!!!”

    “what about door knocking? warehouse work? labouring? anything”

    “nah, fuck that”

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  65. Fletch (5,727 comments) says:

    Must watch video interview with Dr Peter Hammond, who recounts his meeting with Nelson Mandela, in which Hammond confronts him with the history and the truths of Communism – that Communism is far worse that Aparthied. Mandela’s only comeback was that he had sensitive eyes because they wouldn’t let him wear sunglasses on Robbyn Island.

    http://x.co/3O8Tz

    After that, Hammond’s organization is audited for 13 years for no reason. Lovely when the govt uses the taxman against you.

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  66. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    I think my favourite scam of the last 10 years was the “artists benefit”

    dudes in metal bands living off that for a couple of years or longer. paid by the govt to play death metal. practice, write, get inspired lol

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  67. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘Wiki all kinds of Conspiracy theories flourish about the Federal Reserve ‘

    My adice is to watch Max Keiser and listen to his guests. The financial exploitation and terroism they describe absolutely confirms deep darkness behind the scenes.

    A very, very easy example to study are the ANZ charges indicative of wide spread corruption in much larger banks convicted of drug laundering in the US for Mexican drug cartels. This is not a theory. These banks were convicted and fined.

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  68. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    The problem with Cricket in NZ wiki is that not there not enough players involved in the sport therefore not a quality pool for selections.
    Thats what former Black Caps Aussie coach Steve Rixon thought .

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  69. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘The problem with Cricket in NZ wiki is that not there not enough players involved in the sport therefore not a quality pool for selections.’

    Very valid assessment of course. But curious for the popularity of the sport at all levels.

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  70. edhunter (435 comments) says:

    Cunliffe said he didn’t want to “play politics” with Mandela’s funeral, but said if he was Prime Minister, he would have taken key protesters.

    I too would’ve taken key protesters & not brought them back. I’m sure they could do more on the ground than they could from 1/2 a world away.

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  71. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Fletch, you don’t suppose that had you been born a black South African under the apartheid regime that you too would have favoured the idea of communism?

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  72. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    Critics doubt effect of speed campaign

    Experts are taking aim at police plans to target speeding drivers over summer, saying the campaign will hit “mums and dads” but miss those who cause most fatal accidents.

    Police will have a reduced tolerance of 4kmh above the official speed limit over December and January. During that period last year there were 416 serious injuries on New Zealand roads, including 57 deaths.

    Road safety campaigner Clive Matthew-Wilson said the campaign was aimed at “happy holiday families”.

    However, research had shown fatal accidents were far more often caused by substance abusers, tired drivers, highly reckless drivers, the very young and the very old.

    “All five of these groups are largely immune to road safety messages because they believe they’re already doing OK.”

    Assistant commissioner of road policing Dave Cliff said research showed focusing on a lower speeding tolerance had a major impact on all levels of road trauma.

    Most drivers would heed the message to slow down and would not be ticketed, he said.

    But Matthew-Wilson said about 80 per cent of fatalities occurred at speeds below the legal limit.

    Massey University marketing lecturer Dr Terry Macpherson said the Government had overstated the role advertising played in lowering the road toll

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9492617/Critics-doubt-effect-of-speed-campaign

    The real truth will probably lie in the fact revenuing has dropped due to driver education

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  73. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘Fletch, you don’t suppose that had you been born a black South African under the apartheid regime that you too would have favoured the idea of communism?’

    Most minority cultures are socialist based.

    Capitalism is based on individual effort which is European based.

    corporatism is the true modern evil.

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  74. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    Fletch (5,209 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Mandela did at one a time embrace Communism but was wise and astute enough to see with the collapse of the Soviet Bloc and the changes in China it was no longer a viable proposition. Hence his pragmatism on release knowing full well he needed the cooperation of the majority of the White population to avert an all out civil war and carnage.
    Does Hammond suggest that Apartheid is not only more preferable than Communism but is the natural and ideal state for South Africa’s continued existence.??

    http://www.frontline.org.za/

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  75. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    Bullied farmers take on debt to avoid ‘mongrels’

    A dairy farming couple say they have gone into debt “up to our eyeballs” to buy their own farm to avoid the risk of encountering another “mongrel” owner as sharemilkers.

    PERKS PLIGHT

    Ashburton dairy farmer Simon Barber says the practice of providing houses for staff and charging them a low rental is under threat.

    This is because Inland Revenue has taken a strict line with migrant workers’ salary packages.

    “Immigration NZ will not view the accommodation and perks as part of the salary package, yet IRD require us to tax employees on it. Immigration only looks at the cash portion.

    “Within our business we are considering paying a higher salary and then making our staff rent houses under a conventional tenancy agreement instead of just a ‘perk of the job’. This will enable us to charge full market value for perks [accommodation, milk, meat, internet, electricity etc] which will in turn create more admin work for us and push our costs even higher!”

    Louise Giltrap, who farms in Northland with husband Geoff, says their bad experiences are not unique.

    “There’s a bigger percentage that would be bad employers than there are good in the dairy industry,” she said

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/9493517/Bullied-farmers-take-on-debt-to-avoid-mongrels

    excellent example of how even those in top earning positions can still be affected by imbalances.

    Everyones feeling the pinch. That is the reality.

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  76. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business (2,568 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Umm ! I think many Asians would disagree with you on that one.

    Most minority cultures socialist based .???

    So wanting to be treated fairly and justly makes you a socialist,?

    Correct.?

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  77. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    Milk production high despite drought

    Milk production fell just 1.6 per cent during the year despite the season being shortened by drought.

    The country’s cows produced 1.66 billion kilograms of milksolids in the 2012-13 season, Livestock Improvement Corporation and DairyNZ annual figures show.

    That meant dairy companies processed 18.9 billion litres of milk last season, down slightly from last year’s record levels but above levels two years before.

    DairyNZ senior economist Matthew Newman said the dip was minimised by a rise in cow numbers, a good spring and a strong season in Canterbury, Otago and Southland.

    He said farmers managing to get through the drought with minimal impact was testimony to their resilience.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/9487032/Milk-production-high-despite-drought

    Peculiar considering govt tried to hi jack farming by banning water storing and taxing rain fall. This is why farmers had to transfer stock to the Sth Islnd last summer. The media were silent as stones about that.

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  78. MT_Tinman (2,795 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business (2,568 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 10:32 am
    Family falls through the gaps

    Welfare groups are helping a Christchurch mother and her three children move into a tent in a public park because they cannot find the family a home.

    ………

    This story does not prove there is poverty in this country but goes a long way to supporting the ‘theory’

    Balls!

    It does no such bloody thing.

    The sheila has a wage and hundreds of taxpayer dollars paid to her each week.

    This has nothing to do with poverty and everything to do with landlord discretion. The story (deliberately?) makes no mention of why she has been turned away nor why she was content to live in a badly damaged house in a slum-type area of the city. I suspect it is because she has a habit of not paying her rent or damaging/allowing to be damaged houses she has been rented in the past.

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  79. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘So wanting to be treated fairly and justly makes you a socialist,?’

    I’m not talking politically but culturally.

    Maori for instance couldn’t care less about democracy because tribalism is socialist by nature.

    Communism is simply enforcing this by gun point.

    Capitalism truly works which is why it has been targeted since the days of Muldoon

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  80. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    I think the article suggests that Farmers are merely being farmers the way many treat their employees
    No Surprises really .
    Thats why I wince when many go cap in hand with their beggar bowls to the Govt in the event of a pro longed drought or Flooding.
    You wait to see them lineup with their bowls in the event of say an outbreak of foot and mouth .
    Their masters of manipulation. !

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  81. J Bloggs (100 comments) says:

    dime (7,873 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    “But rewarding them and showing them what can be achieved will.”

    yep. they just have no aspirations. its almost like they need a taste of the good life!

    i was on facebook a couple of months ago and a pic of a guy i know popped up. he was wearing the same hoodie he was wearing when i used to see him all the time – about 4 years ago. then it dawned upon me, a new hoodie is a major purchase for someone like him. how fucking sad is that?

    Dime: Talking about low aspirations….

    I was in Savemart (a warehouse sized 2nd hand clothes store, for those who aren’t familiar with it) in New Lynn a few years back and overheard one young lady comment to her friend that if she won lotto, she would buy all her clothes at Farmers. Her tone indicated that was the epitome of luxury spending…..

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  82. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    “A “poster couple ” for civil union failure?Moa and “partner” split “..” The two have 2-year-old boys, Taane Diamond and Barry Kowhai.”

    Poster couple..wot a joke..now what ya gona do..2 kids that were fashion accessories no longer required?
    Stupid girls..some rapid growing up is in order.

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  83. kowtow (6,733 comments) says:

    I’d guess stephieboy has a Che poster in his uni digs.

    Actually not uni (doesn’t know the difference between “their” and “they’re”,well could be uni , a Cultural or Wimmins Studies undergrad).

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  84. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    absolute garbage..as if they are going to let her set up tent in a public park with kids in tow..this is a beat up of the highest order..

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9492231/Family-falls-through-the-gaps

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  85. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    Kowtow I see we have a spelling and grammar policeman lurking.
    Focus on the debate for a change sunshine .!

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  86. Dirty Rat (377 comments) says:

    fernglas (11 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    “If Penny’s home is owned by a trust, and she is living off the income from flatmates, not a benefit, as as she told us recently, does that mean that the trust has been making distributions to her as a beneficiary? And has the trust, which is clearly trading, been paying income tax on the rental received? Is Penny herself paying the trust rent for her use of the property? If not, is the trust a sham? If so, is Penny herself liable to pay income tax on the money she receives from flatmates? If she is, is she deducting the unpaid rates from her assessable income? So many questions, so little point.”

    She doesnt need to be receiving distributions to be living off the Trust, it could be a repayment of her loan to the Trust ( providing she hasnt already gifted it all, if so , then the IRD may view the payments as distributions).

    Your second line is contradictory

    Your third line of her paying Trust rent..may have a tax avoidence issue,

    Your fourth line of the Trust being a sham is just plain ridiculous ( People living in the house owned by a Trust is extremely common)

    I gave up at the rest of the comments…

    The issue is whether they are paying rent..or paying board

    The standard-cost method

    Definition

    The standard-cost method uses an average price for basics such as the cost of food, heating, power and transport. The amount is an average across the country and is inflation-adjusted annually.

    If your income from boarders is less than the standard cost allowed, you will not have to file a tax return, keep records of related expenditure, or pay tax.

    The current year’s rates (year ended 31 March 2014) will be adjusted for inflation after 1 April 2014.

    For the year ended 31 March 2013

    If you have… then the standard cost is…
    one or two boarders $250 a week for each boarder.
    three or four boarders $250 each for the first two boarders, and
    $204 for each subsequent boarder.

    And they do not have to pay board to the Trust

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  87. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    J Bloggs – yeah thats just sad!

    “if i won lotto”.. hopefully she isnt flushing $10-$20 down the toilet every week..

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  88. Tauhei Notts (1,511 comments) says:

    Dirty Rat; you are obviously knowledgable, but I might one of the few here who realise how knowledgable you are.
    Now.
    Use that knowledge and give us an analysis of the 11.25 post.
    Your erudite comments will be appreciated.
    By my limited knowledge I know that somebody is talking shit, but I do not know who.

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  89. RRM (8,997 comments) says:

    I suspect it is because she has a habit of not paying her rent or damaging/allowing to be damaged houses she has been rented in the past.

    Or maybe she simply can’t afford to live in Fendahlton?

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  90. RRM (8,997 comments) says:

    he was wearing the same hoodie he was wearing when i used to see him all the time – about 4 years ago.

    if she won lotto, she would buy all her clothes at Farmers. Her tone indicated that was the epitome of luxury spending…..

    :neutral: Far out, is it Let them eat Cake day on here or something?

    I generally get at least 3-4 years out of things like warm jerseys & hoodies etc.

    It helps me pay the mortgage, feed the kids well, etc…

    I wouldn’t shop at Farmers for clothes, simply because the quality is no better than the sort of stuff The Warehouse sells, the price is simply higher.

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  91. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    A crook with a forked tongue returns: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2520223/Labours-Alastair-Campbell-return-help-win-2015-election.html

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  92. alex Masterley (1,439 comments) says:

    Dirty Rat @12:47

    I am pretty sure that Penny’s house won’t be owned by a trust.

    She is not the kind of person who would take that step. So the whole question of the nature of the trust would become irrelevant.

    I suspect that transferring the property to a trust would be problematic as if she is not paying rates/water rates there would be charging orders piling up on top of each other.

    A simple title search would show the position as it is a matter of public record.

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  93. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Everyones feeling the pinch. That is the reality.

    They sound like moaners who probably weren’t up to the job.

    My in-laws have resorted to hiring foreign labour such is the shocking lineup of drunks and druggies that they have employed over the years.

    Kiwis don’t want to know when it comes to hard or menial labour. Yet we get all racist and economically nationalistic when foreign labour pours in.

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  94. MT_Tinman (2,795 comments) says:

    RRM (8,359 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
    I suspect it is because she has a habit of not paying her rent or damaging/allowing to be damaged houses she has been rented in the past.

    Or maybe she simply can’t afford to live in Fendahlton?

    I suspect even landlords in Fendalton require (and check) references.

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  95. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    The corrupt Miss Dim operates at a basic level. I don’t believe she comprehends how a trust operates; all she wants is a free ride.

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  96. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    Dirty Rat – I preferred you when you were Sexy Rat

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  97. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    Take him and drop him in mid flight, I reckon. :D
    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8768126/minto-wants-an-invite-to-mandelas-funeral

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  98. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    your a fucking nobody minto..all you deserve is another batton between the eyes ah la 1981 ya mongrel.

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  99. RRM (8,997 comments) says:

    What an anti-apartheid hero. (Slash bludger.)

    “I’ll go to Mandela’s funeral… but only if the PM takes me as part of his official party.”

    “I’m not going to let Key off the hook by paying my own way.”

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  100. Reid (15,603 comments) says:

    Since Mandela was also by self-admission, a Thatcherite, I’m surprised Minto isn’t also calling for Roger Douglas to be taken. Perhaps he just doesn’t care about consistency.

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  101. Dirty Rat (377 comments) says:

    No Dimie

    You preferred me when I was Uncle Rat

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  102. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    This little gem from twitter this morning.

    “Australia has had its first gay weddings. So far, the only noticeable change is that we are good at cricket again.”

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  103. Dirty Rat (377 comments) says:

    alex Masterley (1,316 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    Dirty Rat @12:47

    I am pretty sure that Penny’s house won’t be owned by a trust.

    I’m starting to believe she is cleverer than most people here give her credit for..

    When she says she refuses to pay rates….she is 100% correct, she has no requirement to…… but I bet her Trust does.

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  104. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    god, are you there?
    -I AM EVERYWHERE
    -can you bring peace to the middle east?
    -NO BUT I CAN MAKE A SORT OF FACE PATTERN ON THIS BURNT TACO

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  105. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    How a notable British 9/11 Conspiracy Theorist Charles Veitch charged his mind and now has repudiated the simple silliness of 9/ll Truth.
    Note also how 9// Truth like other cultists treat their apostates as worse than infidels as David Ice’s reaction clearly shows,

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/10079244/The-911-conspiracy-theorist-who-changed-his-mind.html

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  106. Dirty Rat (377 comments) says:

    Tauhei Notts (1,414 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    I dont see what the farmers problem is…either the Accomodation should be taxable to the Employee or is liable for FBT ( i prefer the latter).

    The sharemilker issue is a common issue….however most farmers are good and will act in good faith regarding the s/m contract, but shit I have seen some shitheads doing really shitty things

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  107. Colville (1,780 comments) says:

    Ms Dim may be as thick as two short planks but will have a decent advisor.
    She will have her property in a trust I am sure to avoid the risk of someone having a go at her for defamation or simply a vexatious lawsuit for damages of somekind.

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  108. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    “You preferred me when I was Uncle Rat”

    Yeah true, that was extra creepy

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  109. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    As Bernard Hickey pointed out in the weekend, the on going fight against inflation during the during the 80′ 90′s and onward has been completely negated by a true fight that should be fought against deflation.

    The only reason our dollar is up is because of the Fed money printing that will never taper.

    As long as the dollar continues to be deflated by flooding the market with it, our dollar will rise in value
    as a riskless investment. Surely that bubble has just got to burst!

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  110. Dirty Rat (377 comments) says:

    These guys are certainly doing themselves a favour, better than Paleo or Atkins…and certainly lessening the burden of the taxpayer

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11169430

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  111. Dirty Rat (377 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11169359

    The kiwi touched a two-week high of 50.76 British pence and was trading at 50.66 pence at 8am in Wellington from 50.18 on Friday.

    The kiwi rose to 60.41 euro cents from 59.95 cents on Friday.

    The local currency touched a new five-year high of 91.18 Australian cents in late New York trading on Friday, and was trading at 90.71 cents at 8am in Wellington from 90.43 cents on Friday.

    The New Zealand dollar touched an eight-month high of 85.35 yen, and was trading at 85.23 yen at 8am from 83.43 yen in Wellington on Friday

    Our rates are up against all the important ones, not just the States

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  112. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    Outraged by police ‘stop and kiss’ programme

    It sounds diabolical: A “stop and kiss” program that allows New York City police officers to kiss anyone they deem suspicious.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/videos/9485164/Outraged-by-police-stop-and-kiss-programme

    This is really police and systemic provocation.

    Ironically, Mayor Bloomberg has made it illegal to kiss homeless by offering them food or cash

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  113. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    John Minto has been critical of post apartheid government in South Africa, and according to a claim he criticised Nelson Mandela when he was in New Zealand in 1995.

    I was at St Matthews in the City in 1995 when Mandela went there (during his CHOGM visit) to meet the 1981 protesters. Minto berated him for not introducing communism to South Africa and attacked him for allowing capitalist companies to stay in business. A near-speechless Mandela responded: “But who do you think will employ our people?”

    Until that moment I had thought Minto was an anti-racist of high principles. I then realised he was an extreme Marxist.

    Minto attacked Mandela in 1995?

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  114. Tauhei Notts (1,511 comments) says:

    Caution; this next part will be boring to many of you.

    Dirty Rat at 2.04
    Employer provided accommodation is specifically taxable. It cannot be treated as a fringe benefit.
    Interestingly, Kiwisaver payments, which are dependent upon the employee’s taxable income, are not required to be paid on the accommodation portion of that employee’s taxable income.
    The part that got me was that the employee’s house was provided by the farm owner, not the employer who is, of course, the sharemilker. The sharemilker is the employer. The farm owner is not an employer. The farm owner engages a sharemilker. I am assuming here that it is a 50/50 sharemilker who owns the herd.
    If the sharemilker is a lower order sharemilker and does not own the herd then the rental value of the house provided to the sharemilker is taxable as income to the sharemilker.

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  115. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    PG

    Excellent

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  116. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    Have a laugh: http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/9083871/confessions-of-a-climate-denier/

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  117. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    As Bernard Hickey pointed out in the weekend, the on going fight against inflation during the during the 80′ 90′s and onward has been completely negated by a true fight that should be fought against deflation.

    Bernard Hickey is incapable of pointing to his own arse. Not that I am surprised that you believe anything he says Wiki but for your info, Bernard Hickey is as qualified as I am to comment on all things financial, he is but a journalist, a left wing journalist, somehow he has a contract with TV3 and radio live to talk shit but that doesn’t mean he makes one iota of sense

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  118. chiz (1,095 comments) says:

    Wikiwhiris business:

    Outraged by police ‘stop and kiss’ programme

    This was a spoof by The Onion, and you fell for it!

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  119. martinh (836 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11169387

    Asked whether he personally wanted Mr Minto to go to South Africa, Mr Key said: “I wanted to raise and canvas a whole range of people and I did that.”

    What a load of shit this guy is now speaking like. Hes turned into a wellington bureaucrat

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  120. Dirty Rat (377 comments) says:

    Cheers Tauhei..

    Its obviously a grey area…and not one that I have come across in the past few years being in Auckland ( although I did quite a lot of Dairy Farmers in Bay of Plenty around 10-15 years ago).

    petershw (I think thats the name) here could probably give a better opinion

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  121. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘This was a spoof by The Onion, and you fell for it!’

    Would hope so but Bloomberg in the mix doesn’t help.

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  122. chiz (1,095 comments) says:

    The article you linked states explicitly that it was a spoof! What does Bloomberg have to do with it?

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  123. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    ‘What does Bloomberg have to do with it?’

    He was quoted in the story supporting the police initiative.

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  124. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    “Ryan Sproull is one hell of a sexy guy.” – Michael Bloomberg

    OMG GUYS DID YOU SEE WHAT BLOOMBERG JUST SAID ABOUT ME

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  125. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    lmao gotta love the Onion. I actually pay em $2.95 a month, just cause they crack me

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  126. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    wiki –

    JOHANNESBURG—Following the death of former South African president and civil rights leader Nelson Mandela today at the age of 95, sources confirmed that the revered humanitarian has become the first politician in recorded history to actually be missed. “Today we lost not only an international hero and a symbol of the resilient human spirit, but also the very first political figure ever who people actively wish was still alive and affecting world affairs,” said political historian Wallace M. Delaney of Columbia University, adding that Mandela will long be remembered for enduring 27 years in prison in the fight against apartheid, championing equality across the globe, and standing alone as the only world leader whose passing left the international community grief-stricken and feeling a palpable void in their lives. “Certainly people have felt a sense of sorrow at the deaths of politicians in the past, but Nelson Mandela’s death is the only one on record that people everywhere unanimously agree has left the world notably worse off. I miss him, we all miss him—and that’s entirely unprecedented in the world of politics.” Delaney added that he could not predict who might be the second politician to be missed by humanity, but confirmed there were no viable candidates anywhere out there right now.

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  127. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    The legend

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  128. Longknives (4,051 comments) says:

    Is there a nastier, more odious little creep in New Zealand than John Minto??
    Shamelessly taking false credit for the end of Apartheid and now cashing in on Mandela’s passing to score political points and have a crack at the Government..
    What a vile piece of work.

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  129. Longknives (4,051 comments) says:

    Oh- Just saw the separate post on Minto…

    Anyhow- He is still a twat.

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  130. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    One could have a paradise situation and some radical troublemaker will ruin it for everyone.

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  131. jcuk (512 comments) says:

    Dime … I want a responsible society to look after me when I have problems but I recognise that to have a responsbile society the members have to be responsible to the society.

    If the young were taught the concept of responsibility to society much of our problems would go away. An aggrivating feature of today’s society is the endless push for cost cutting and efficiency which reduces the work opportuinities for everybody from youth to near retiree. So while superficially society is responsible it is far from it in the holistic viewpoint.

    One day I hope the capitalists will wake up to the fact that they cannot go on continually expanding and a happy solution of maintaining the status quo will need to be found. It is up to business to do that becuase they have the money to instigate change.
    The alternative is communism and that while superficially attractive has proved to be little different to capitalism in its outcome with the human instinct to climb on the backs of others.

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  132. OneTrack (1,979 comments) says:

    jcuk – communism is vastly different to capitalism in its outcomes for people. Just watched a documentary on Pol Pot the other day which really rubbed it in. Unbelievable. And people still think that might be better than only being able to buy kfc five nights a week?

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  133. nasska (9,558 comments) says:

    After a long night of making love, he notices a photo of
    another man on her night stand by the bed. He begins to
    worry.
    “Is this your husband?” he nervously asks.
    “No, silly,” she replies, snuggling up to him.
    “Your boyfriend, then?” he continues.
    “No, not at all,” she says, nibbling away at his ear.
    “Is it your dad or your brother?” he inquires,
    hoping to be reassured.
    “No, no, no!!!” she answers.
    “Well, who in the HELL is he, then?” he demands.

    “That’s me before the surgery!

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  134. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Ryan Sproull (6,068 comments) says:
    December 9th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
    “Ryan Sproull is one hell of a sexy guy.” – Michael Bloomberg

    OMG GUYS DID YOU SEE WHAT BLOOMBERG JUST SAID ABOUT ME

    ———————————–

    He’d really be talking about that R.Sproll – the Christian apologist or whatever he is that is often quoted in serious text. Not you.

    Your’re only famous around here Ryan…and we don’t count for very much anyway….in case you were wondering! :cool:

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  135. Viking2 (10,744 comments) says:

    A CATHOLIC priest told a teenage girl he was terminally ill and she “needed to have sex with him before he died”, the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse has heard.

    His victim, Joan Isaacs, told the commission this morning that she was one of three girls in a “cult-like group” named after the Peanuts comics and run by the Brisbane priest, Father Frank Derriman, who is still alive.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/in-depth/abuse-victim-tells-of-cultlike-group/story-fngburq5-1226778772495

    And the list goes on and on and on.

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  136. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Dime

    No Brian, no watch –
    Seth WTF

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  137. nasska (9,558 comments) says:

    Johnboy’s back for a visit…..I may not need this after all. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/88xciwo1fo0ua3f/JB.jpg

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  138. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    A CATHOLIC priest told a teenage girl

    Viking2, come off it ! Do you expect us to believe that ? ;)

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  139. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    It was 1949 you dyslectic nasska. :)

    Will Yvette return do you think? :)

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  140. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    V2

    I read the first two lines and thought I was I for a joke -

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  141. nasska (9,558 comments) says:

    She sounded a bit final JB…..I think your departure broke her heart. :)

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  142. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    Jeeze PEB takes ages to edit his comments eh! :)

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  143. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    I’ve bought a blue and white striped tee-shirt and a beret if that would help nasska? :)

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  144. nasska (9,558 comments) says:

    The beret could save the day JB…..that & a plateful of snails. :)

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  145. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    A Green ex candidate has been getting more bizarre and over the top lately, and goes overboard:

    ‏@JudithCollinsMP

    So this is our Far Left RTGreen party candidate wants to execute female Young Nats: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/12/green-party-candidate-wants-execute-female-young-nats/

    Max Dillon Coyle ‏@MaxDCoyle

    @JudithCollinsMP And the hideous old ones too, after a trial on charges of treason of course. Go kill yourself you despicable human.

    I wonder if he is in the current candidate pool.

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  146. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    Phew that’s a worry! :)

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  147. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    MaxDCoyle 38m
    @JudithCollinsMP And the hideous old ones too, after a trial on charges of treason of course. Go kill yourself you despicable human.
    Reply Retweet Favorite More Expand

    And this bit of class from Green Max D Coyle. Charming

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  148. RightNow (6,350 comments) says:

    At least unconsciousness came quickly:

    late one weekday evening as Mrs Flannery was reading a Jackie Collins novel in bed and unwinding for sleep, she was suddenly and forcibly pinned under the duvet by Mr Flannery, who sealed the edges with his weight while simultaneously releasing an enormous bolus of flatulence, which displaced all the available oxygen so that Mrs Flannery passed out nearly instantly, and was dead within 30 seconds.

    http://www.ronsonwriter.com/content/view/69/9/

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  149. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/dutchoven.asp

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  150. SPC (4,679 comments) says:

    One reason for poverty is the extent of houses not insulated.

    While the poor could afford to heat an un-insulated house back in the 80′s, this has not been the case for decades.

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  151. RightNow (6,350 comments) says:

    235,000 homes have been insulated under the Government’s Warm Up New Zealand: Heat Smart programme, well above the original target set.

    http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?articleId=42146

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  152. SPC (4,679 comments) says:

    The poor live in rentals, how many of the 235,000 homes insulated are rentals?

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  153. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    A ruthless tyrant in action: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/09/us-russia-media-idUSBRE9B80I120131209

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  154. Viking2 (10,744 comments) says:

    I think we should expect well educated, well paid , noisy Public Servants to at least know the Law and get t right when they make said noise.

    Chief Commissioner David Rutherford said.

    In regards to tenancy security, it recommends the Government prepare a discussion paper on whether the Residential Tenancies Act should be amended so that notices for tenants to vacate properties can be lengthened to 12 weeks and the landlord required to provide a reason. As it stands, the required notice periods vary from 14 days to 90.

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    Now I’m not a paid lackey like this clown (who seems to consider NZ is full of poor people), but nowhere in the RTA does the law allow any Landlord to to give 14 days notice to vacate to any tenant.

    They can be given a 14 day notice to amend their rent arrears or fix stuff they have broken but not 14 days to leave.

    fuck I despise lying scum bags like this.

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  155. UglyTruth (3,147 comments) says:

    “If Penny’s home is owned by a trust, and she is living off the income from flatmates, not a benefit, as as she told us recently, does that mean that the trust has been making distributions to her as a beneficiary?

    That would make sense.

    And has the trust, which is clearly trading, been paying income tax on the rental received?

    Why would it? There is no reason to think that the income is taxable.

    Not all income is taxable, for example the sale of real property by contract.

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