Taser stats

December 16th, 2013 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

Some interesting stats on taser use from the Police over the last three years. Highlights:

  • Force used by Police in just 0.2% of face to face interactions
  • drawn or used in just 0.4% of apprehensions
  • Seven of of eight times a taser is drawn but not used
  • When force was used tasers used just 16% of time, pepper spray 32%, handcuffs 34% and physical restraint 37%
  • Tasers only used 2% of 36,440 mental health incidents and discharged for 0.3%

So what was all the fuss about?

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33 Responses to “Taser stats”

  1. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Here comes Jackinabox!! 3.2.1….

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  2. RRM (8,994 comments) says:

    So what was all the fuss about?

    Do what I say or I’ll taser you.

    That’s what the people complaining about tasers are complaining about.

    See also, “pepper spraying cop”…

    I don’t really have a problem with police tasers myself; but I know one or two people who got assaulted by armed Red Squad cowards in 1981 who have a different view…

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  3. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    Every Taser has a video camera, why won’t the cops let the public see if their use of the Taser was justified?

    And why don’t their Glocks and Bushmasters have video cameras also?

    Nothing to hide, nothing to fear!

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  4. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    those numbers look low. there are a lot of shit bags out there who need some voltage.

    “Every Taser has a video camera, why won’t the cops let the public see if their use of the Taser is justified?”

    LMAO maybe a cop lover like jackinabox could pass judgment on every incident.

    RRM – not sure there are many front line cops left from the 1981 crew..

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  5. hj (5,705 comments) says:

    The Greens were oposed.

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  6. hj (5,705 comments) says:

    Do as I say or…… that’s how things work in the real world.

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  7. thor42 (778 comments) says:

    @jackinabox – “Every Taser has a video camera, why won’t the cops let the public see if their use of the Taser was justified? ”

    If they have videocams then I’m sure the footage could be requested by the defense counsel in court.

    Posting the footage publicly would achieve nothing – the left-wingers would moan about every single incident. Why bother even *having* police if the lefties hate everything that they do?
    Let the police do their jobs FFS.

    “Nothing to hide, nothing to fear”.
    Yeah, right. You would impose such ridiculous “rules of engagement” on the police that they couldn’t do *anything.* The crims would be laughing.

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  8. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    “LMAO maybe a cop lover like jackinabox could pass judgment on every incident.”

    There is only one reason the cops won’t release the videos and that’s because they fear people like Graham McCready, or myself even, would prosecute and sue the dirty corrupt bastards for sadistic misuse of a deadly weapon.

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  9. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    “If they have videocams then I’m sure the footage could be requested by the defense counsel in court.”

    No “if” about it thor, every cop taser has a video camera that turns on automatically as soon as the weapon is drawn from its holster.

    As for the cops releasing the footage to the defence, don’t hold your breath thor. Have you ever tried to get evidence that might get you off a charge from the police?

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  10. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    The New Zealand police are reasonable compared with overseas police departments e.g. book first ask questions later. Quit the moaning and be thankful.

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  11. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    “There is only one reason the cops won’t release the videos and that’s because they fear people like Graham McCready, or myself even, would prosecute and sue the dirty corrupt bastards for sadistic misuse of a deadly weapon.”

    lol which cops are dirty & corrupt? all 15,000 of em (or whatever the number is). or just the ones that busted you for being a shit bag?

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  12. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Police numbers
    Sworn members 8,453 (30 June 2008)
    Unsworn members 2,960 (30 June 2008)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Police

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  13. MT_Tinman (2,793 comments) says:

    RRM, the only thing better than the Red squad in 1981 was the Blue squad.

    Those long batons worked a damned sight better than any tazer.

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  14. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    “lol which cops are dirty & corrupt? all 15,000 of em (or whatever the number is). or just the ones that busted you for being a shit bag?”

    If the “Top Cops” are corrupt, and believe me they are, then there’s a 99% chance that the rest are, or once they reach the rank of sergeant, as corrupt as their “superiors”.

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  15. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Batons ar far more versatile than Tasers and require less accuracy although they are forbidden to be used on peoples heads.

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  16. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    BEN COUCH

    While Minister of Police, he called for the birch to be introduced for violent offenders and allowed the police to use longer batons. He created some controversy by wearing a Springbok rugby team blazer at the time of their 1981 tour of New Zealand as well as attending a public meeting organised by the League of Rights. This was despite his having been denied entry to South Africa as part of the All Blacks rugby team in the 1940s because of his race.

    No wonder the cops were such out of control wankers.

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  17. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    “He created some controversy by wearing a Springbok rugby team blazer at the time of their 1981 tour of New Zealand as well as attending a public meeting organised by the League of Rights.”

    The New Zealand League of Rights was the New Zealand offshoot of Eric Butler’s Australian League of Rights.
    Following speaking tours of New Zealand in the late 1960s, Eric Butler sought to establish a local version of his organisation. A New Zealand League of Rights was announced in 1970 but did not become operational until 1971.[1] Its first director and co-founder was Sidney Wood. In 1979 David Thompson became its director and revitalised the organisation, publishing a New Zealand version of On Target. The League increased its membership during the 1980s. Thompson was succeeded in the mid-1980s by Bill Daly who ran the League till its end. The organisation ceased activity in 2004.
    Like the parent organisation the NZ League proclaimed its “loyalty to God, Queen and Country” and adhered to an ideology of Social Credit, anti-semitism, and was white supremacist.[2] The NZ League sought to uphold the predominance of British race and culture in New Zealand and was opposed to Marxism, human rights and internationalism. The NZ League’s anti-semitism was not as explicit as that of the Australian or Canadian League of Rights[3] until later years.
    The NZ League criticised the Social Credit Party for having strayed from the path indicated by C. H. Douglas and regarded itself as his true heir, but members maintained links with the party until the end of the 1970s when the party indicate League members were no longer welcome.[4] League members would then turn towards the National Party. League members were also active in other groups such as the Voters’ Association.
    The NZ League of Rights hosted the second Crown Commonwealth League of Rights conference in 1981. In 1993 Daly attempted to get David Irving to tour New Zealand.

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  18. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    If the police were “out of control” in 1981 it was because they were dealing with out of control protesters e.g. Black Power and Mongrel Mob gang members who were dressed in motorbike helmets with wooden shields who were out to have a go at the police. There was no justification for the anarchy [ends justifying the means?].

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  19. MT_Tinman (2,793 comments) says:

    jackinabox (209 comments) says:
    December 16th, 2013 at 11:31 am
    BEN COUCH

    While Minister of Police, he called for the birch to be introduced for violent offenders and allowed the police to use longer batons. He created some controversy by wearing a Springbok rugby team blazer at the time of their 1981 tour of New Zealand as well as attending a public meeting organised by the League of Rights. This was despite his having been denied entry to South Africa as part of the All Blacks rugby team in the 1940s because of his race.

    As he was never selected to tour SA in the 1940s how could he have been refused entry?

    What you mean, of course, is the NZRFU did not select non-white players in 1949 and 1960 to tour SA (incl. Couch) at SA’s request, a far different thing to Couch being refused entry.

    They did in 1970, doing far more for the anti-apartheid cause than the communist vandalism of 1981.

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  20. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    “communist” End of argument.

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  21. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    And to top it all off there was Police Commissioner Bob Walton, the chief Arthur Thomas fit-up merchant, orchestrating it all on behalf of piggy Muldoon. Greg O’Conner was there too, hidden amongst the protestors like a true low down infiltrating bastard.

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  22. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Had a few personal problems with the police Jackinabox?

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  23. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    One or two dozen Gulag; every time except the very first small incident 40 years ago I was the victim of crime but because the cops never forgive or forget I was turned into the villain every time and the true culprits were allowed to escape justice. I can fully understand why certain dark minded types turn to cop killing as a way to even things up a bit.

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  24. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    I am sorry to hear that, bad cops do get their comeuppance.

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  25. Yoza (1,353 comments) says:

    jackinabox (211 comments) says:
    December 16th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    No wonder the cops were such out of control wankers.

    There was no ‘out of control’ about it, the use of the extreme forms of violence deployed against the anti-apartheid protest movement would have been sanctioned, saying they were ‘out of control’ suggest the violence employed was beyond their mandate. The use of police violence against dissenting protest movements is designed to intimidate other like minded members of the public from adding their support.

    Gulag1917 (276 comments) says:
    December 16th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    If the police were “out of control” in 1981 it was because they were dealing with out of control protesters e.g. Black Power and Mongrel Mob gang members who were dressed in motorbike helmets with wooden shields who were out to have a go at the police. There was no justification for the anarchy [ends justifying the means?].

    The helmets and shields adopted by the protesters was in response to the level of violence to which the police resorted during the infamous Molesworth Street protest.

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  26. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    “There was no ‘out of control’ about it, the use of the extreme forms of violence deployed against the anti-apartheid protest movement would have been sanctioned, saying they were ‘out of control’ suggest the violence employed was beyond their mandate. The use of police violence against dissenting protest movements is designed to intimidate other like minded members of the public from adding their support.”

    I stand corrected.

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  27. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    I saw what happened in Auckland with my own eyes. An aircraft dropping flour bombs [and there would have been other threats], every person with a chip on his shoulder there amongst the peaceful protesters. The police must have been outnumbered 50 to 1. Pulling down fences and gaining illegal entry are criminal offences and what was peaceful about that?

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  28. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    “Pulling down fences and gaining illegal entry are criminal offences and what was peaceful about that?”

    The end justifies the means?

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  29. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    NZ agitators probably take credit for ending apartheid. It had more to do with SA PM de Klerk than any NZ influence. NZ is very small player on the world stage.

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  30. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    If the ends justifies the means there is no moral credibility.

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  31. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    But what made PM de Klerk flip flop, sanctions?

    That reminds me, the only place you could buy Niederberg wine in NZ while the sanctions were on was from the Police bars. Don’t say bullshite, I was there, I saw it happen.

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  32. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    The police are required to meet force with force, in that way they are not then being over zealous – leading to a police state.

    And a vocabulary is a police officers best friend.

    These stats that are listed are pointless and most police training officers and overseers would probably agree.

    But this is what you get when you have a ‘media dept’.

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  33. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    “And a vocabulary is a police officers best friend.”

    And when you do try to discuss or explain matters they say, I don’t want to argue with you or tell it to the judge.

    If they do deign to converse with you, “the offender” not “suspect” as in the USA, it’s only to get you to say something that they can use against you later. Anything that might exculpate you will be ignored or “lost”. Dirty bastards!

    Cops are automatons out to gain career-enhancing convictions, nothing else.

    Never talk to the police! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

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