The University of wowsers

December 27th, 2013 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

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What on earth has happened to Dunedin?

I’ve always thought of it as a city of hard-working, practical, no- nonsense people, reflecting its Scottish Presbyterian heritage.

It was the home of Sir James Fletcher, founder of a construction empire, Henry Ely Shacklock, who made the country’s first electric ranges, and Bendix Hallenstein, whose name lives on in the menswear chain he established.

I wonder what such men would make of Dunedin today. Once a southern bastion of industry and commerce, it’s now chiefly known for the torrent of shrill, moralistic scaremongering emanating from .

It seems hardly a week passes without someone from Otago University, or one of its satellites in Christchurch and Wellington, warning us that our drinking and eating habits are leading us to moral and physical ruin.

You name it, they want it banned!

The Otago researchers’ findings always paint the blackest picture imaginable. And the message is invariably the same: our consumption habits are out of control and the government must act.

Underlying that is another message again: we are all at the mercy of greedy purveyors of booze and high-risk foods. Their wickedness must be curbed by advertising bans and punitive taxes. Hostility to capitalism is never far from the surface.

du Fresne hits the mark. Often these taxpayer funded lobby groups has spokespersons who have an unrelenting hatred of big business.

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65 Responses to “The University of wowsers”

  1. kowtow (7,951 comments) says:

    Yeah but this govt is going along with it.Wowser government.

    Smokefree A by 2015,plain packaging etc fellow travellers.

    I recall Mahary referring to No mans’ land as No person’s land.He’s in a uni somewhere now.

    I hate gender neutral newspeak.Too many people are at it these days.

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  2. Nigel Kearney (918 comments) says:

    That’s medical researchers for you. The ones with talent are busy working on curing cancer and the others are busy lobbying the government to try to stop us making our own choices about what goes in our bodies. The targeting of research funding still needs some work.

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  3. ChardonnayGuy (1,187 comments) says:

    I’d feel more convinced by Pope Karl I’s pontifications about Otago Uni if it were’t for his Self-Appointed Holiness’s own verbose moralising about women’s reproductive freedom and failure to acknowledge that he’s not such a “lapsed” Catholic as he seems to want the rest of us to believe…

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  4. kowtow (7,951 comments) says:

    Make no mistake

    there is no shortage of posters here who deny the right of unquestioned free speech to any to whom even the slightest taint of Catholicism adheres.

    How intolerant are those who claim to be the most tolerant?

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  5. kowtow (7,951 comments) says:

    Not just the university but the newspaper too.

    “….alcohol and other drugs….”

    More newspeak.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/editorial/286568/minimising-abuse-alcohol

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  6. Pete George (23,340 comments) says:

    The potential problems in Dunedin are much bigger than the food and drink police. There is a strong and extreme green movement closely associated with the University (people of) who want to ban ban ban. We already have a fracking moratorium despite no need or plans for fracking. There’s a strong anti offshore drilling lobby. A strong anti car pro cycle lobby. There’s even an anti plastic lobby.

    And there’s an influential representation of these back to the stone age lobbies elected to council and embedded in council staff.

    So Dunedin risks being strongly influenced by transient students and public servants (University and council) who think their own jobs are secure that may have a serious impact on less secure jobs and business.

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  7. Harriet (4,616 comments) says:

    Nigel Kearney (620 comments) says:
    December 27th, 2013 at 10:10 am
    That’s medical researchers for you. The ones with talent are busy working on curing cancer and the others are busy lobbying the government to try to stop us making our own choices about what goes in our bodies. The targeting of research funding still needs some work.

    ——————

    A West Australian Liberal Senator was always known to say about these types “……..but hospitals are for sick people – not healthy people, and that’s the principal on how we mostly fund them….”

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  8. Harriet (4,616 comments) says:

    “….So Dunedin risks being strongly influenced by transient students and public servants (University and council) who think their own jobs are secure that may have a serious impact on less secure jobs and business….”

    Very astute observation Pete.

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  9. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Doesn’t P.G come from there? :D

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  10. RRM (9,665 comments) says:

    it’s now chiefly known for the torrent of shrill, moralistic scaremongering emanating from Otago University.

    It seems hardly a week passes without someone from Otago University, or one of its satellites in Christchurch and Wellington, warning us that our drinking and eating habits are leading us to moral and physical ruin.

    :neutral: Really…??

    This Karl du Fresne sounds like a bit of a dick… my 2c.

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  11. RRM (9,665 comments) says:

    DPF:
    Often these taxpayer funded lobby groups has spokespersons who have an unrelenting hatred of big business.

    Excuse me, waiter, I ordered Argument. This appears to be a great big half-empty bowl of Rhetoric.

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  12. kowtow (7,951 comments) says:

    The correct term is “waitperson”.

    Didn’t you get the latest wowser memo?

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  13. JMS (314 comments) says:

    kowtow (5,980 comments) says:
    December 27th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Not just the university but the newspaper too.

    “….alcohol and other drugs….”

    More newspeak.

    That’s Dumb-speak.

    Alcohol is a drug, and obviously you’re a wowser when it comes to drugs you disapprove of.

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  14. Fentex (909 comments) says:

    I don’t know why someone finds moralizing about drinking odd from people they also think are Scottish Presbyterians.

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  15. flipper (3,847 comments) says:

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    RRM (8,434 comments) says:

    December 27th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    ****

    Karl, like most Wairarapa folks that I know, is a sensible fellow, schooled in the real ways of the world through hard graft journalism, who does not suffer fools like Sellman and Caswell…and their taxpayer (under the guise of academic freedom) troughing wowser mob.

    IF ANYTHING, Karl is “vory v zakonye” as the Russian mafia would say!
    :-)

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  16. projectman (206 comments) says:

    RRM says “This Karl du Fresne sounds like a bit of a dick… my 2c.”

    You might think that, but if this is an example of your ability to contribute, you are one.

    Your posts here are prime examples of rhetoric, not argument.

    Looking forward to your 8,435th piece of drivel.

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  17. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    projectman

    The article by De Fresene is spot on. I assume you “work” at a university.

    We have been bombarded by shit from Otago this year, its been that common its been noticable, it gets commented on here ona weekly basis.

    RRM’s 8435th comment will be much more erudite than your 186th

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  18. projectman (206 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay: you must be reading a different article to me. Karl du Fresne criticised what is coming out of OU in this context; I agree(d) with that by disagreeing with RRM’s pejorative response. And, No, I don’t handy anything to do with a university, but there’s plenty of good stuff coming out of the universities that I don’t feel the need to take the negative view that you appear to.

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  19. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    JMS – grow a brain mate and appreciate the difference between every day usage and nerdy science names.

    ‘He’s / she’s a drug user’

    Aha. Most people would think of something like weed. Not coffee and alcohol. You fucking dick.

    And you’re making me comment to side with a twerp like kowtow and for that you are a total insufferable prize cunt of the highest fucking order

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  20. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    I love Karl du Fresne. He’s like a top pornstar. Just keeps on and on nailing it time after time. Good on yer Karl. Keep going forever.

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  21. Monique Angel (265 comments) says:

    Right on LRC.
    No cunt should be able to proscribe the drug or food habits of another individual if they’re not harming anyone else. Academia be fucked. You learn a crap ton with real life experience as opposed to being an Ivory Tower-dwelling Cock Smoker.

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  22. JMS (314 comments) says:

    @Left Right and Centre

    Stop jumping to stupid conclusions.

    Kowtow was implying Alcohol was not a drug, which it is.
    I was just highlighting his hypocrisy.

    Recreational drugs should be legalised, and we are heading in the wrong direction by increasing nanny-state measures against tobacco.

    If you inferred I was a wowser from what I said, you need to go back to school.

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  23. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    JMS – who gives a fuck what label you give it noddy ? Caffeine is a drug. So fucking what ?

    I can’t stand it – I don’t want to spend the day with some fuckwit who’s going to go on about alcohol and weed and the hard shit and if alcohol is legal then weed should be legal blah blah blah – fuck off with that shit cunt !!

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  24. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    you need to go back to school.

    I’m in school now. Learning never stops. KB is one of my classrooms. I don’t take it as an insult.

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  25. JMS (314 comments) says:

    @ Left Right and Centre

    Because labels form public opinion, and result in wowsers getting elected.

    Unlike most, I am not going to judge you for using whatever substance you did to fuck your brain up as much as you clearly have.

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  26. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Jokers only come to KB to get insulted LRaC! :)

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  27. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    Monique Angel – Just so you know – there’s nothing that says a lot one way or the other – you’ve filled in the blanks there yourself mate.

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  28. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    JMS – at least you’re into swearing mate – how bad can you be ?

    That’s fucking intelligent, isn’t it ? Because labels form public opinions, wowsers get elected.

    Well, you’ve summed up politics in a first world socialist democracy very well there – that was genius.

    I think we need only look to the mayor of Auckland to see that they’re not all wowsers. The man had two holes on the go. That’s more wow than wowser.

    But tell everyone on KB all about your wisdom on the topic of NZ politics. I am swayed now by your initial offering. Instead of wanting you to shut the fuck up because you seem like some common garden variety twat with a really dumb barrow to push – I now suspect you could in actuality have all the answers. I’m waiting to be left in awe of your intellectual dazzling contributions that are sure to follow……

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  29. Monique Angel (265 comments) says:

    LRC. You said KduF kept nailing it. Was in agreeance. You stoned?

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  30. Harriet (4,616 comments) says:

    Drug users, and homosexuals too for that matter, couldn’t describe ‘happiness’ or ‘pleasure’ as being much different to ‘addiction’.

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  31. JMS (314 comments) says:

    @ Monique Angel

    Yes I agree, LRC isn’t making much sense.

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  32. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    MA – Karl doesn’t quite put anything the same way you did in your first comment and neither did I. You’re on your own there.

    And you’re a fucking lightweight mate – fuck off dick.

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  33. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    If I’m babysitting you this evening JMS, I’m going to want to know how many nappies you might need.

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  34. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Damn Jews like Shacklock and Hallenstein should be pilloried by the new globally aware islamicly inclined academics that Otago now produces! :)

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  35. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Fuck that was fast JB downthumb monster! :)

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  36. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The chief wowser Rebecca Williams must hail from Dunedin too.

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  37. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “Recreational drugs should be legalised”

    Selfish drug-addled stoner attitude..

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  38. MH (690 comments) says:

    otago prob has a reputation for being into food and nutrition degrees,Auckland specialises in a lot of wine research or are probably propped up by corkers. So maybe stuff just comes from there,just as they have the only Survey school in NZ,

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  39. JMS (314 comments) says:

    @ Longknives

    Only drug I regularly consume is alcohol, and even that only in very modest amounts.

    I am in favour of laws against driving/flying under the influence of mind altering substances.
    I have no problem with employers drug testing their employees. WINZ should do it too, and cut the benefit to those who fail. Even better, just get rid of the benefit.
    But what business is it of big nanny-state Government to dictate what somebody can put into their own bodies on their own private property?

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  40. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    I always drove/flew much better once I had a drink! :)

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  41. JMS (314 comments) says:

    JB, I’m sure the girls looked better as well :)

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  42. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    The one’s that sunbathed naked/topless under the approach to PPQ 34R certainly did JMS! :)

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  43. lolitasbrother (588 comments) says:

    lets have a look at this above comment again and see if it makes sense,

    ” I have no problem with employers drug testing their employees. WINZ should do it too, and cut the benefit to those who fail. Even better, just get rid of the benefit.
    But what business is it of big nanny-state Government to dictate what somebody can put into their own bodies on their own private property?”

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  44. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Quite right, I’d be fuckin pissed off if big government tried to tell me what I could insert into my consenting sheep on my own private property! :)

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  45. JMS (314 comments) says:

    @lolitasbrother

    let me help you there.

    They can put whatever they want into their bodies on their own private property.
    Likewise Winz should be able apply whatever conditions it wants to people coming onto it’s property wanting money.

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  46. JMS (314 comments) says:

    JB, you weren’t referring to sunbathing sheep down there at Paraparam were you? ;)

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  47. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    If you have never steered a plane you have no idea what sort of a view you can get from the pointy end JMS! :)

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  48. JMS (314 comments) says:

    Lot’s of staring, a little steering, but I leave the landing up to others :)

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  49. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Twas amazing what some of the ladies to the south of PPM would do to attract a pilots attention. You would wobble it down pretending you had too much height so you could spot them out of the side windows and then give it full throttle once you released you were too low to make the threshold….Happy days! :)

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  50. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    I always wanted to learn to fly a chopper but I was just too poor! :)

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  51. Judith (8,455 comments) says:

    @ JMS (108 comments) says:
    December 27th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Okay… so as long as they don’t apply in a manner which requires them to enter WINZ property – then everything is just peachy, is it? They can still have a benefit and spend it all on drugs/booze/sex and rocknroll, not feed the kids (on their property), just providing they don’t go into the WINZ office whilst they are intoxicated?

    hmmmmm…. clearly I need more to drink…

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  52. JMS (314 comments) says:

    JB, Cut a window in the floor of your fixed-wing. And always search for maximum headwind. No need for a chopper. :)

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  53. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    You’ll fly better with another Judith! :)

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  54. Judith (8,455 comments) says:

    @ Johnboy (12,417 comments) says:
    December 27th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Nah, the broomstick is out of commission at the moment … ground manoeuvres only.

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  55. Harriet (4,616 comments) says:

    “….I always wanted to learn to fly a chopper but I was just too poor!…’

    And far too scared to sign up to the army or airforce then?

    Poof. :cool:

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  56. JMS (314 comments) says:

    @Judith

    no, in your case it’s probably a good idea to drink less.
    No sober person would have inferred what you did.
    I neither said nor implied that WINZ shouldn’t impose further conditions on benefit payments.

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  57. Judith (8,455 comments) says:

    @ JMS
    “They can put whatever they want into their bodies on their own private property.
    Likewise Winz should be able apply whatever conditions it wants to people coming onto it’s property wanting money.”

    One line you are saying people should be able to do what they want on their own property, and the next you are suggesting that WINZ should be able to impose whatever conditions they want …. i.e. tell people what they can do on their own property before they can get a benefit … if you can’t see the contradiction in that dear, then I suggest it is you who is a couple of drams short.

    In short what you are arguing is that in some situations it is alright for people to tell others what they can do on their own properties, especially if those people want government assistance.

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  58. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Tut tut Harriet. If I was a poof I would have joined the services. Probably the Navy as a cabin boy! :)

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  59. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Make sure you keep on being useful and keep the ol’boys yard swept up with your broomstick Judith! :)

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  60. nasska (10,910 comments) says:

    ….”especially if those people want government assistance.”…..

    Sounds like a reasonable plan really. After all there’s no compulsion….if the beneficiaries don’t want anyone meddling in their affairs they could get a job or shift to another country with a welfare system that agrees with them.

    I’d hate to go back to the days of private/church charity but the system that guarantees endless & conditionless entitlements isn’t working too good.

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  61. JMS (314 comments) says:

    Judith, You are clearly having a few problems understanding basic logic here.

    Beneficiaries and non-Beneficiaries alike should have the right to put whatever they want into their OWN bodies on their own private property without facing criminal charges. WINZ does not seek out and force it’s will onto people like the “justice system” does. But if you want something from WINZ, then don’t moan when they demand you be responsible with their(our) money in return.

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  62. nasska (10,910 comments) says:

    ….”Probably the Navy as a cabin boy!”….

    A life of rum, sodomy & the lash JB? :)

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  63. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    “Pass me another Seaman Boy Quartermaster……This one’s split.” :)

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  64. Harriet (4,616 comments) says:

    JMS#

    The government doesn’t tell WFF recipitents how to spend their welfare. Nor does it tell pensioners.

    Which brings us to education welfare/grants :

    Why does the government not tell 18yld students how to spend their loan[grant] – when it currently tells phd qualified parents how and where their education taxes for primary and secondary education will be spent?

    Parents should be recieving education grants for primary and secondary education if 18yld students can do so!!!

    If the government starts deciding how people spend their welfare/grant – then it should apply to all people who recieve welfare/ grants – or none.

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  65. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    I suspect that neither nasska nor myself will take kindly to some young whipper-snapper telling us how to spend our pension money you cheeky young shit Harriet! :)

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