General Debate 16 January 2014

January 16th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    It is with regret we see a criminal fighting deportation, being able to attempt to disrupt our electoral process, ably assisted by the left, radio, Tv and print media. This obese slug must be railroaded out of NZ immediately. It would be very interesting if one of our ex-crims went to Germany and stood against Angela’s party!

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  2. Pete George (23,422 comments) says:

    Is Dotcom’s ‘Party Party’ political treating? It certainly looks like it was, and despite Dotcom trying to backtrack after previously publicising his political party launch as a part of the party, it could still be corrupt practice under the electoral act. If so even attending the Party Party could breach the act.

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  3. Judith (8,531 comments) says:

    @ igm (192 comments) says:
    January 16th, 2014 at 8:05 am

    A point of contention. Kim Dotcom is not a criminal. He has not been tried, found guilty and convicted of any crime in a court of law. An uninformed, or media informed public may have ‘tried’ him by public opinion, but that still does not make him a criminal.

    Whilst I am no supporter of his nor do I approve of the piracy he is suspected of, I acknowledge that he has the same rights as any other member of our society, and although he maybe under suspicion of crime, he is and should be able to perform and behave as the rest of those who have the status of free individuals, in society. Innocent until proven guilty.

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  4. Carlos (687 comments) says:

    Isn’t this something that Kyle Chapman wants to do in Canterbury?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25646954

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  5. Yogibear (359 comments) says:

    Judith – wrong. He is, at least, a former criminal. There was that unpleasantness in Germany a few years back

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  6. alloytoo (525 comments) says:

    @ Judith

    Actually he’s been found guilty of a number of crimes in his native Germany and in Hong Kong.

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  7. Yogibear (359 comments) says:

    Just to be clear Judith. 1994, convicted in Germany of 11 counts of computer fraud, 10 counts of data espionage and some other charges.

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  8. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Judith: Best sort facts out before putting your keyboard in gear. This creep is a convicted criminal and an objectionable one at that!

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  9. Yogibear (359 comments) says:

    He also pleaded guilty in Germany to embezzlement in 2003 (insider trading), and failed to disclose required information to the Hong Kong Securities Commission, and was fined $8000, also in 2003

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  10. isaac (10 comments) says:

    I think that enough savvy NZers will see through this rubbish. If he takes enough rope he will eventually hang himself. The various “news” stations are giving him a great deal of time at the moment. Will this count as electioneering and have to be declared? Wasn’t it a Labour Government who was duped into allowing him into NZ?

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  11. gump (1,613 comments) says:

    Regarding dotcom, there is some international precedent for parties of this type to successfully contest elections.

    Wikipedia:

    … In the European Parliament election of 2009 the Swedish Pirate Party received 7.1 percent of the votes, winning two seats and achieving the first major success of a Pirate Party in an election. The German Pirate Party managed to win 8.9 percent of the votes in the Berlin state election, 2011. The Czech Pirate Party won the international race to get a pirate politician to national parliament when a joint pirate candidate, Libor Michálek, was elected in the 2012 senate election.

    The biggest election victory in national parliamentary elections of any pirate party was in Iceland where they received 5.1% of the electorate on the 27th of April 2013, gaining 3 seats out of 63 in the Althing.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party

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  12. flipper (3,935 comments) says:

    I suspect that Judith is more accurate in her description of “dottiecom” than those knee-jerking above, including IGM who persists in his habit of abusing, in foul or racist terms, any one with whom he disagrees.

    Describing dottiecom as an “obese slug” may be half correct. but adding “slug” exacerbates the situation, and could result in a HRC action. :-)

    If dottiecom were a “criminal;” in New Zealand terms he would not have been granted permanent residence here.

    The extradition proceedings will probably be influenced by the outcome of the pending Supreme Court decision. In any event, it should be great sport.

    As for his “political party” – anther diversionary PR stunt which should not be taken seriously.

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  13. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Poor Judith! Wrong again…

    And speaking of crazy women- Was that our own much loved Publicwatchdog I saw on the news last night wearing some kind of Witch’s Hat?

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  14. Nookin (3,258 comments) says:

    Judith
    Dot.com’s past exploits are well publicised. I hope you are not going to suggest that his father did it?

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  15. Paulus (2,591 comments) says:

    I see that Lianne Dalziel is emulating Lying Len in appointing a multi million personal office of PR people and friends to keep the lying as low key as possible when she, as will, stuffs up.
    Her Chief of Staff Kate Brett, is ex Editor of the Sunday Star Times – which is why we now confirm what a crap paper it was and still is.
    Go nepotism too as their are intertwined conflicts of interest in and out of Canterbury councils with some of these staff.
    Great useless Socialists again – Go Len substitute – Lying begins now.

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  16. Nookin (3,258 comments) says:

    “anther diversionary PR stunt which should not be taken seriously.”
    I beg to differ, Flipper. This character has the ability to manipulate media in a way in which New Zealanders have never seen before. He has a penchant for self publicity and an ability to suck in anybody from whom he sees a particular use. If anybody seriously thinks that his politics and those of Martin Bradbury are in any way aligned, they are dreaming. They have one thing in common – a hatred for John Key. Dot-Com is on record as saying that he is out to embarrass Key. In Bradbury, he has found a further outlet to disseminate his bile (through the Daily Blog).

    He is the ultimate manipulator and it is about time that some in the news media took note of the fact that they are being used for one purpose only – dot-com’s self preservation and enhancement

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  17. Colville (2,242 comments) says:

    We should all be getting behind Dotcrims party and telling every Gween young undecided voter out there to vote for the German crim.

    I would love for the big lad to be polling at 2 or 3 percent and start believing his own publicity.

    50 000 votes will probably cost Wussel 3 MPs and then when the votes are pulled out of the waste bin 45% of them will go to J Jey and Co. Awesome.

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  18. Ashley Schaeffer (457 comments) says:

    And speaking of crazy women- Was that our own much loved Publicwatchdog I saw on the news last night wearing some kind of Witch’s Hat?

    Yes it was, and probably. Penny needs to work on her soundbites.

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  19. Colville (2,242 comments) says:

    I dont like DotCom or want him in this country but I do rate him as being smart.
    What I dont understand is WHY he would start a party to further splinter the Left vote? is his ego that big that he wants his name in lights but will help the Nats back into power?

    I think its great :-)

    But maybe Bummer Bradbury is right and I have it backward…maybe there are 100 000 young pissed off national voters out there that are dumb enough to vote for the Germans henchmen/women. ? Anyone one here willing to put their hand up?

    Will the Internet party get a credible person to stand as an MP?

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  20. Colville (2,242 comments) says:

    Nooking @ 9.02
    Whale has an interesing bit today wondering out loud how many repeaters are in the undeclared pay of the German.
    Dotcrim certianly gets coverage at will in the MSM and it wouldnt be surprising if he has handed over more than a few thick envelopes of cash to pay for the coverage.

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  21. flipper (3,935 comments) says:

    Nookin (2,796 comments) says:

    January 16th, 2014 at 9:02 am

    “anther diversionary PR stunt which should not be taken seriously.”
    I beg to differ, Flipper. This character has the ability to manipulate media in
    *************

    I cannot disagree with your basic point of view, except that I do not believe the great unwashed will give a hoot whether he goes or stays, and will totally ignore his “party”.

    The MSM and extreme bloggers will lap it up, but if that reduces the time they spend promoting labour or ted melon lies and misrepresentations, so much the better.

    We should not get worked up on this. That is what he (dottiecom) wants.

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  22. Carlos (687 comments) says:

    Child grooming in the UK. Why did the facts have to match the stereotypes? :(

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-25679982

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  23. bc (1,364 comments) says:

    Igm @ 8.05am
    I agree, typical leftie media – I bet that commie John Campbell won’t even mention it on his show tonight.

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  24. kowtow (8,138 comments) says:

    Carlos

    Every day it seems there’s another item of news to confirm how enriching immigration and multiculturalism has been for boring old Britain Britain.

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  25. kowtow (8,138 comments) says:

    RNZ reports NZ to provide millions to educate Syrian refugee children.

    The fucken Saudis and Gulf Emirates who are financing this Sunni sectarian war and destabalising the whole region should stump up,not us.

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  26. iMP (2,349 comments) says:

    A PREDICTION. My pick is, that president Obama’s legacy and Hillary Clinton’s presidential aspirations will be crushed to dust when Clint Eastwood produces a movie he might call “Benghazi” and the true facts of this appalling -some might say criminal – act of incompetent or cynical political leadership is fully exposed to the American public and world. It needs to happen.

    Those poor Libyan officials and the ambassador completely abandoned. You thought “Argo” (2012) was good, wait for “Benghazi” (2014?) which is sure to come. I hope it’s Eastwood’s final serve to us as a fine director (Grand Turano, Flags of Our Fathers, Trouble With The Curve).

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  27. iMP (2,349 comments) says:

    Kimmy Blimp Dot CON’s “Party Party.” I suppose its time “McGillicuddy” or “Legalsie Cannabis” got an upgrade under MMP. Latter of course got more votes than ACT in the most recent actual election.

    Blimp can’t stand as a candidate, which makes him a CAN’Tidate.

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  28. wreck1080 (3,863 comments) says:

    Phew, kiwi dollar is flying, it is hovering around all time highs, and nearly 94c against the AUD.

    Might be time to take a holiday.

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  29. Than (447 comments) says:

    Regarding dotcom, there is some international precedent for parties of this type to successfully contest elections.

    gump, the challenge the Internet Party has is the same as every other minor party – overcoming the self-fulfilling prophecy of voters not wanting to vote for a party that won’t be in parliament.

    Looking at the results for national Pirate Parties in the link you provided, their odds don’t look good. Iceland’s 5.1% is very much an outlier. The German, Czech Republic, and Luxembourg parties managed 2-3%, none of the others above 1%. So by far the most likely outcome of the Internet Party is 1-3% of the party vote (mostly former Green voters) discounted. Dotcom may not realise it, but he’s probably making John Key quite happy right now.

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  30. iMP (2,349 comments) says:

    CLASSIC! A friend FBs…

    “Just got a call from the police, freaking out that I did something wrong, and it was to inform me that my passport that I lost almost two years ago was found in a couch at a second hand store!!! Yaaaaayyyyy”

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  31. Scott Chris (6,017 comments) says:

    Those poor Libyan officials and the ambassador completely abandoned.

    Seemingly the Ambassador who twice refused security backup and ignored and failed to communicate terrorist alerts is as much as fault as anybody according to the just released bipartisan US Senate Intelligence Committee report:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/united-states/news/article.cfm?l_id=110&objectid=11187269

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  32. Fletch (6,234 comments) says:

    iMP, re: Benghazi – agreed!

    The Senate Intelligence Committee just released a bipartisan report (both Democrats and Republicans), saying the attacks were preventable and there was a failure by the State Dept to act to increase security. Also that those responsible for the attack were directly affiliated with Al Qaeda, including a former Gitmo detainee. One of the documents the State Dept resisted handing over, shows that there was a meeting with the State Dept in August saying that there were 10 Al Qaeda training camps within Benghazi, yet security requests were ignored.

    http://x.co/3dpSa

    http://blog.heritage.org/2014/01/15/senate-intelligence-report-damning-benghazi/

    The Obama Administration knew within minutes of the attack that it was a terrorist attack, and yet came up with a phony story about a Youtube video that it stuck to for weeks after.

    * Newly declassified testimonies about what happened among Pentagon officials the night of the Benghazi attack on September 11, 2012 have been obtained by Fox News

    * The documents show the U.S. military found out about 15 minutes after the attack – which killed four Americans – that it was an act of terror and communicated that to the Obama administration

    * However the government – including Obama and then-U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, who were in the throes of the 2012 US Presidential election – maintained for two weeks afterward the attack started as a protest against an anti-Islamic film and turned violent

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539034/Top-secret-Benghazi-documents-prove-Obama-administration-knew-terrorist-attack-minutes.html?ico=ushome%5Eheadlines

    Representative Steve King (R-IA) said he personally was misled by the Obama administration in the wake of the Benghazi attack.

    “They knew it was a planned, orchestrated attack within three hours,” King said. “This administration came to this Congress and briefed members of Congress in a classified setting, and … I can’t tell you what they said except that they told us the same lies they told America on Sunday TV.”

    http://blog.heritage.org/2014/01/15/bachmann-benghazi-symbol-obama-administrations-incompetence/

    This president doesn’t know WTF he’s doing and covering up his incompetence by lying.

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  33. cha (3,920 comments) says:

    The Senate Intelligence Committee just released a bipartisan report (both Democrats and Republicans), saying the attacks were preventable and there was a failure by the State Dept to act to increase security

    And they care so much about a failure by the State Dept to act to increase security.
    /

    Despite the concern over security after the 2012 attack on the United States Mission in Benghazi, Libya, the spending bill earmarks less to embassy security, construction and maintenance than it allotted for fiscal 2013 – $2.67 billion, down by $224 million.

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/less-budget-money-for-libya-embassy-011414

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  34. Lance (2,619 comments) says:

    Looks like the UK is turning into one big fucked up nanny state.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539378/Couple-took-children-school-weeks-holiday-Rhodes-face-jail-refusing-pay-fines.html

    In know most of the endless series of AS/NZS standards updates (change for change’s sake) are generated in the UK.

    The control freaks are in charge.

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  35. Rowan (2,067 comments) says:

    What changes if any do you make to the NZ test eleven to play India? I’d say bring back Ryder but that is problamatic as who does he replace? the positions most under threat would be Rutherford & Fulton at openers, Jesse opens in ODIs but never done it in tests and better suited to no5, do you drop Fulton and shift Brendon McCullum or BJ Watling up to opener, they have both done it before, elsewhere I found Wagner unconvincing so would give him the flick, Milne impressed in the T20s but probably a bit to much of a jump to promote him to test cricket this soon, so would go for Bracewell.
    India are a very good side but tend to struggle outside the asian wickets, they haven’t been to NZ for quite a while but were hammerered 4-0 in Australia so we have some chance if you can apply enough pressure, just have to do that and make the most of any opportunities.

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  36. Fletch (6,234 comments) says:

    Despite the concern over security after the 2012 attack on the United States Mission in Benghazi, Libya, the spending bill earmarks less to embassy security, construction and maintenance than it allotted for fiscal 2013 – $2.67 billion, down by $224 million

    They’re wasting money on things like penis pumps instead.

    WASHINGTON, Jan 13 (Reuters) – Penis pumps cost the U.S. government’s Medicare program $172 million between 2006 and 2011, about twice as much as the consumer would have paid at the retail level, according to a government watchdog’s report released on Monday.

    The report by the inspector general for the Department of Health and Human Services said Medicare, the government health insurance system for seniors, paid nearly 474,000 claims for vacuum erection systems, or VES, totaling about $172.4 million from 2006 to 2011. Yearly claims for the devices nearly doubled from $20.6 million in 2006 to $38.6 million in 2011.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/14/penis-pumps-medicare_n_4591918.html

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  37. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Carlos

    Every day it seems there’s another item of news to confirm how enriching immigration and multiculturalism has been for boring old Britain Britain.

    You missed the boat on that one kowtow. The language and culture of the native Britons was lost long ago. The language now comes from a German dialect and a violent desert cult was imposed upon them by their Roman rulers, for political reasons.

    Do you suggest they send them all back home and return to their Pagan ways ?

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  38. Fletch (6,234 comments) says:

    Jimmy Kimmel on the penis pumps –

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  39. stigie (1,056 comments) says:

    “Auckland Mayor Len Brown’s wife is the latest person to be targeted by Graham McCready for private prosecution, with the former Wellington accountant alleging she was party to her husband’s alleged bribery and corruption offences.”

    Have to feel a bit sorry for Shan Inglis now being targeted by McCready
    I think they should just leave her alone with what shes had to put up with.
    McCready should be putting his energy into the masturbating mayor, not his wife !

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  40. iMP (2,349 comments) says:

    Benghazi makes me feel ill. It seems like a cynical turning of a corner by a Liberal democratic state that is now morally vacuous. NSA, Fast & Furious, and all the other accumulating scandals are eroding the integrity and coherence of the world’s largest democracy.

    Without the collective sense (a least fascade) of institutional integrity and political unity we may lack the force of will and firepower to address the looming committed and morally unified apocalyptic forces about to confront us…

    A nuclear Iran
    Rapidly arming Islamic belligerents in the Middle East now with the ability to wreck desired Apolalypse on the West.

    ‘Winston Churchill’ where are you. We’re surrounded by celebrityseekers and golfing Chamberlains.

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  41. iMP (2,349 comments) says:

    The new foreign affairs watch word is “hyper proliferation.” (nuclear, chemical, electronic, economic, and dirty bomb).

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  42. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    A nuclear Iran

    Maybe to defend themselves against a nuclear Israel who has been crying for war for so long ? Last time the Iranians actually had a war was when the USA sponsored Iraq to attack them.

    iMP, the only Middle East country imposing its religious fantasy world on others is Israel. Its recent establishment, on other peoples land, was done on the basis of religious mythology. Of course most Jews are not silly enough to believe that sort of garbage and around half are atheists. It is the same old story of a few extremists ruining everything.

    Born and bred Iranians have every right to defend themselves against a militant Israel populated by EUROPEANS who moved their from EUROPE after living in EUROPE for centuries.

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  43. Pete George (23,422 comments) says:

    A terrible tragedy in Dunedin with the murder of two children and what appears to be the suicide of their father who was estranged from the mother and had twice previously been arrested for breaching protection orders.

    I don’t care about him, if he wants to end his life it’s his choice. But to kill ones own children is about as unforgivable as it gets. He has also put his ex through and into a lifetime of horror, that may be what he intended but that’s also a disgrace to manhood. No matter what his reasons there is no excuse for this sort of reaction.

    There are troubling aspects to this case as well with neighbours claiming there had already been threats to kill.

    And sadly I had a major grump at DPF on his Facebook today, he used this tragedy as an excuse to make a non-joke about David Bain, which draws Bain’s wife into the Bain bash wagon. Using a report on the violent death of children for that is very disappointing and in awful taste. I think a retraction and apology is in order DPF.

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  44. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I think a retraction and apology is in order DPF.

    PG, no decent person cares what you “think” you sanctimonious creep. You have no developed morality of your own and simply appeal to what you think is popular at the time by parroting the narrative. Back in the day when women were treated like dirt, your kind supported it, because that was the popular norm. You are never guided by what is right or informed, only by self promotion.

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  45. Reid (16,183 comments) says:

    No I think on this he does have a point Kea. It’s a very stupid thing to say in the context of the event. DPF should have known better.

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  46. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Reid, yes I see that point, but it was not what I was addressing.

    PG needs reminding that he is not a moral arbiter who can arrogantly demand others apologise for offending his painted on pretend morality.

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  47. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Kea is back! Time for some popcorn

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  48. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    And sadly I had a major grump at DPF on his Facebook today, he used this tragedy as an excuse to make a non-joke about David Bain, which draws Bain’s wife into the Bain bash wagon. Using a report on the violent death of children for that is very disappointing and in awful taste. I think a retraction and apology is in order DPF.

    I have to agree with Kea on this one.

    Pete, please stop being the moral compass of the NZ blogosphere. It is tedious and a sure way to piss people off. This may come as a shock to you, but I am sure DPF does not give a single fuck what you thought of his joke.

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  49. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    nickb, apparently I have to be nicer to people who praise and worship a man who tore infants from their mother womb, stoned rape victims to death, sold daughters as slaves, murdered entire towns, stoned naughty kids to death and in one epic narcissistic melt down, killed everything on earth other than a boat load of incest committing animals.

    Apparently you can hurl abuse for years [Redbaiter] at those decent people who question this mythical being existence, but if you worship this sadistic being you must be deferred to and “respected” so different rules apply.

    Of course that is all mythology. What is really sickening is what these cults actually do in real life today.

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  50. Fletch (6,234 comments) says:

    What is really sickening is what these cults actually do in real life today.

    Yeh, awful

    MACON, GA—Sources confirmed today that the brainwashed morons at First Baptist Assembly of Christ, all of whom blindly accept whatever simplistic fairy tales are fed to them, volunteer each Wednesday night to provide meals to impoverished members of the community.

    “Unfortunately, there are a lot of people in town who have fallen on hard times and are unable to afford to put food on the table, so we try to help out as best we can,” said 48-year-old Kerri Bellamy, one of the mindless sheep who adheres to a backward ideology and is incapable of thinking for herself, while spooning out homemade shepherd’s pie to a line of poor and homeless individuals. “It feels great to share our blessings with the less fortunate. Plus, it’s fun to work alongside all the members of our [corrupt institution of propaganda and lies] who come out each week.”

    As of press time, the brainless, unthinking lemmings had donated winter clothing they no longer wore to several needy families and still hadn’t opened their eyes to reality.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/local-church-full-of-brainwashed-idiots-feeds-town,34860/

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  51. Nookin (3,258 comments) says:

    The trustee and the beneficiaries may well have resolved their differences but this does not seem to be enough for an embittered former leader!

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9617211/Police-meet-Horan-estate-executor

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  52. graham (2,326 comments) says:

    And of course, it’s always the Christians who start every debate, and throw the first stone.

    Except this time, apparently, when Kea started it.

    Me, I’m happy to follow what I believe in and let others do the same, but there you go, I guess I’m weird.

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  53. Rowan (2,067 comments) says:

    Bad taste DPF, this is a tragedy in Dunedin and a poor opportunity for lame jokes.

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  54. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Kea, I missed you dearly. There was nobody around to defend Islam. :-)
    Jokes aside, welcome back mate.

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  55. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Did anyone read today about a body found after being on a traffic island for a week in Oz ?

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  56. edhunter (535 comments) says:

    Stigie maybe it is time to play the man & not the ball so to speak. I don’t know what Len has offered his wife to remain by his side but if Len wont resign on his own accord maybe it’s time to start putting one of his enablers under the microscope. And that is what Shan is she is an enabler.
    I have as little sympathy for her as I do for a woman who continuously goes back to a bloke that hits her.

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  57. bc (1,364 comments) says:

    Graham, take the advice of the bible you read and turn the other cheek.
    Kea’s trolling is best ignored.

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  58. RF (1,364 comments) says:

    Party party party. What party. Crim dot com could not organise a piss up in a brewery.

    A major fail for someone wanting a launch a new political party. They should have checked it out first.

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  59. ex-golfer (156 comments) says:

    So Dotcon thanked 25,000 for registering for the non-party.
    Wonder what he plans to do with all those email addresses?

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  60. graham (2,326 comments) says:

    bc, probably good advice I guess, but there is a difference between turning the other cheek and letting yourself be completely run over and trampled underfoot.

    (By the way, it wasn’t me who gave you the down-vote)

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  61. Dean Papa (787 comments) says:

    Heat Death of the Universe. But don’t worry, it won’t be happening any time soon …

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  62. bc (1,364 comments) says:

    No worries Graham.
    A couple of days ago someone here announced proudly that he “disciplined” a child that wasn’t his by smacking her on the bottom.
    A flood of up votes followed.
    When someone else after supporting this abuse, suggested that perhaps it wasn’t the best thing to do, not because it wrong but because he could get
    into trouble, the reply was he chose to hit her because he knew she wouldn’t tell anyone. More up votes.
    Only one person pointed out that it was “creepy” (dime much to my surprise!), he got down voted.
    This confirmed to me that up and down votes mean little here, and in fact sometimes you should be proud of your down votes!

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  63. bc (1,364 comments) says:

    Edhunter, I agree.
    The footage of Len Browns wife smiling, hugging and kissing him on election night, despite her knowing only a couple of days earlier of his affair suggests to me that she cares more about the baubles of office than her integrity or marriage.
    In fact it wouldn’t surprise me if Len is just a puppet and she is the puppet master.
    There’s a show on tv at the moment called “Scandal” where the president is having an affair. Not only does the wife know about it, but she manipulates behind the scenes to keep the marriage going just so she keep her husband in power for her advantage.
    Any similarities I wonder?

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  64. wreck1080 (3,863 comments) says:

    “An award winning super yacht builder has announced it will close its doors next month.”
    “Executive director of the New Zealand Marine Industry Association Peter Busfield said the high New Zealand dollar was biting boat builders and other exporters a like.”

    Doesn’t matter does it, since manufacturing is booming.

    They can all join the dairy industry and christchurch rebuild.

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  65. Scott Chris (6,017 comments) says:

    PG needs reminding that he is not a moral arbiter who can arrogantly demand others apologise

    And yet you apparently have the right to arrogantly tell PG to pull his head in it would seem.

    Stupid troll.

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  66. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    And of course, it’s always the Christians who start every debate, and throw the first stone.

    Except this time, apparently, when Kea started it.

    Sorry to hear about your Scrolll button breaking.

    Most days start with a religious hate post from kowtow, directed at cults very similar to his own. Today is not
    exception.

    And yet you apparently have the right to arrogantly tell PG to pull his head in it would seem.

    Stupid troll.

    Scotty, no I did not. I encourage PG to expose his contrived and artificial parody of morality. Even the most lazy minded and dim readers have seen through him, thanks entirely to his own efforts. I wish I could take credit for that, but he did it himself.

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  67. kowtow (8,138 comments) says:

    “Most days start with a religious hate post from”……drum roll,yours truly.

    That’s a lie,plain and simple.

    Fuck off ,troll.

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  68. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Manolo, good to be back. It looks like the religious lunatics have taken over the asylum judging by the number of down ticks my accurate biblical commentary at 2:24 pm has harvested. I won’t bore you by cut and pasting the clear words of the bible that support my claims.

    Call me a prude but I generally don’t look to baby killing, murdering, torturing rapists for moral guidance, as Christstains do. Of course I have not even mentioned the worst of it yet. The eternal torture (introduced in the revised version of the myth) for those who do not grovel hard enough to the sadistic sky fairy.

    I will pay particular attention to how the religious lunatics react to the next rapist murdering sadist in the news. I will expect to see him worshiped in the usual way.

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  69. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Today someone breached a protection order and shot two children to death, their mother escaping.

    The protection order existed because of his threats to kill.

    So the question is whose gun was this? If not his own who supplied it for this is worse than supplying someone under 18 with alcohol. If his own how did he have lawful right to a licence or gun possession after making a threat to kill?

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  70. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    {Fuck off ,troll.}

    LOL :)

    I got banned for less than that. But I am not squealing two faced Christstain.

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  71. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    Great to have you back Kea…..doubtlessly your reappearance will herald a flurry of activity involving rosary beads.

    Try to stick around a little longer this time. :)

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  72. Rowan (2,067 comments) says:

    Kea
    I think you should have a good long look in the mirror, your abusive post at PG can equally be applied to you, at this rate we probably won’t have to put up with your bird brain for to much longer before DPF finally bans you for good! Maybe you could do a ‘dotcom’ meltdown for him?

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  73. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Kea, keep it polite just remind those of religious faith that the lie about God is the original sin of the bible book writing and faith (those who believe the lies compound the wrongdoing), one exported by Jews to Christians and Moslems so they could share in the collective guilt.

    There is no proof God ever killed anyone in some mythical flood and the story was only invented to justify those of their faith killing others – first those not blindly following Moses, then local inhabitants not of their faith/political regime etc. No wonder Christians and Moslems of a world crusading religions needed a hell their God would send unbelievers to legitimise their own later crimes on Earth against humanity.

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  74. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Yesterday evening someone breached a protection order and shot two children to death, their mother escaping.

    The protection order existed because of his threats to kill.

    So the question is whose shotgun was this? If not his own who supplied it? This is worse than supplying someone under 18 with alcohol. If his own weapon how did he have lawful right to a licence or gun possession after making a threat to kill?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11187282

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  75. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    “So the question is whose shotgun was this? ”

    My question is..if there is such a thing as ” God “..why would he let something like this happen to two innocent little children?

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  76. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    ….”why would he let something like this happen to two innocent little children?”…..

    You’ll be pushing to get an answer on these forums. Godwhacks basically confine their concern & protection to children in the womb…..once they’re born they’re on their own.

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  77. stigie (1,056 comments) says:

    Not too much happening on GD tonight. Where is Johnboy ?

    Have you scared the shit out of him Nasska, and taken to the hills ?

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  78. nasska (11,092 comments) says:

    He’s likely resting up stigie…..tupping season is only eight weeks away. :)

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  79. Viking2 (11,340 comments) says:

    A fun weekend coming up.

    http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/62299-water-works-baypark.html

    ASB Baypark’s brand new jetsprint track is set for it first major test with Tauranga City Council beginning water pressure testing at the stadium tomorrow. – See more at: http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/62299-water-works-baypark.html#sthash.1eVh2pbY.dpuf

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  80. stigie (1,056 comments) says:

    Yea Nasska, hope he places the raddle in the right place, otherwise he will be doing it all over again !~

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  81. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    What a surprise!!!

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=11186981

    Police are looking for a fatarsed, brown man with a hoodie covering his crinkly black hair! :)

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  82. Johnboy (15,903 comments) says:

    Bugger me!!!

    Welcome back Kea. It’s been a sad and boring place without you flighty bird! :)

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  83. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (784 comments) says:

    BC @ 3:48pm

    1/ why were you surprised Dime found it creepy?
    2/ many pointed out it was creepy….. I called it sexual assualt

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  84. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Mr Livingstone moved out of the Saint Leonards house about six months ago. He did not own a firearms licence.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/calls-tougher-law-enforcement-after-children-s-murders-5800894

    If it can be identified who supplied someone without a licence will they be prosecuted?

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  85. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (784 comments) says:

    SPC – I’d imagine if there were only two witnesses to any supplied gun then it would now be referred to by the remaining witness as ‘stolen’

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  86. cha (3,920 comments) says:

    Mates in high places?.

    Dunedin police commander Greg Sparrow called the events a tragic set of circumstances. He said the man worked at the South Otago prison and was well known to police.

    “The family had been known to us for a number of domestic incidents. What I can tell you is that he had been arrested on two previous occasions for breaching a protection order and we’d put him before the court.”
    Mr Sparrow said the man was given diversion on 7 August last year and on 14 September was discharged without conviction. Police are investigating how he was able to go to the house with a gun he didn’t have a licence for.

    [...]

    The Department of Corrections said the Milton man had worked in administration at the prison since 2007.
    Acting chief executive Jeremy Lightfoot said the man told Corrections in August 2013 about his first protection order breach and after the second breach in September was stood down for a period. He said the man had also been given a final written warning.

    Mr Lightfoot said the department felt that, in the circumstances, it was better for the man to be stood down during his court cases and then allowed back to work while being given counselling.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/233441/man-dead-in-shooting-had-arrest-history

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  87. bc (1,364 comments) says:

    SSSL @ 9.40pm
    Because dime puts on a persona that all that matters to him is money and disposable women. But it could all be an act. Is anybody that shallow?
    But that detracts from my point – that a grown man hit a girl that wasn’t even his own child, and people here congratulated him for doing it. Not only that but he admitted that he did it because he could get away with it. More up ticks followed.
    A low point of kiwiblog.

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  88. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Rowan, you worship a raping murdering slave selling child killer. I am amused you think I would crave your approval pervert.

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  89. Pete George (23,422 comments) says:

    I said my piece on DPF yesterday and then kept out of the discussion deliberately. But this comment from Kea deserves a response.

    PG, no decent person cares what you “think” you sanctimonious creep. You have no developed morality of your own and simply appeal to what you think is popular at the time by parroting the narrative. Back in the day when women were treated like dirt, your kind supported it, because that was the popular norm. You are never guided by what is right or informed, only by self promotion.

    Very ironic, in an apparent attempt at self promotion and to be popular in his/her return from a ban he/she tries to “simply appeal to what you think is popular at the time by parroting the narrative”.

    And I didn’t, contrary to Kea’s accusation I knew what I said on Kiwiblog and on Facebook could be unpopular, but said what I think needed saying anyway. As it turned out there has been quite a bit of support for what I said.

    BC reflected another common sentiment.

    Kea’s trolling is best ignored.

    Usually yes. Sometimes I think it’s necessary to call bullshit and abuse. Kea seems to have learn nothing from previous bans. Some here like the obnoxious and highly abusive approach but Kea, overall it’s poor form, as is shitting in DPF’s nest.

    And before you jump in half cocked again I’m not telling you what to do (as I didn’t tell DPF what to do), I’m just expressing my opinion. Jumping back on the bash wagon may give you a sense of popularity but I think that’s a small minority delusion. I suspect religion and I (ironic, opposites) will outlast you here.

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  90. Pete George (23,422 comments) says:

    cha – some serious questions have to be asked about this case.

    Radio New Zealand understands the two breaches were phone calls the man made to the woman, and he did not make explicit threats during those calls. However, one of the charges was for behaving in a way that amounted to psychological abuse.

    It’s never easy for the police in ongoing domestic disputes but something seems to have badly failed (the kids in particular) here – apart from their father.

    One of the more disturbing reports was from a neighbour claiming there had been death threats prior to the murders, but it wasn’t stated whether that had been brought to police attention.

    Unfortunately someone who is determined will usually find a means to murder, whether firearms or otherwise. Regardless the source of shotgun used in this needs to be determined.

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  91. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    PG, If I gained the approval of people like you I would do the decent thing and remove myself from the gene pool you self absorbed little creep. I swear you are getting worse and I now feel the need to wash after reading your contrived comments expressing fake outrage.

    I wonder what you are compensating for, but I expect that will come out in time.

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  92. Pete George (23,422 comments) says:

    More irony. But Redbaiter was much better and at least he was funny.

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  93. Rowan (2,067 comments) says:

    “you worship a raping murdering slave selling child killer”

    Righto Kea
    Your telling the story, as this is a load of bullshit as I don’t worship anyone or anything that fits this sick fantasy of yours and I don’t “crave” your approval either, you sanctimonous shithead.

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  94. jackinabox (781 comments) says:

    “Unfortunately someone who is determined will usually find a means to murder, whether firearms or otherwise. Regardless the source of shotgun used in this needs to be determined.”

    IE Disappear or make a pre-emptive strike. It is allowed under the Right of Self Defence Act. If you fear that you or anyone else’s life is in danger you may take any steps that you believe will eliminate the danger. She should have got her own gun and shot the mongrel as soon as he came near her.

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