General Debate 20 January 2014

January 20th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    “Bevy of Heavies”; like “Pants-Down Brown” and “Two Minute Len” that phrase is going to hang like an albatross around Len Brown’s neck as he is shielded by a wall of hi-viz from the people who voted him in. And Auckland ratepayers are once again picking up the tab.

    It’s not the size of the tab that matters now. It’s the principle of it all. If Len Brown can’t face up to his critics without a Bevy of Heavies, he is unfit for the role of Mayor of Auckland. Only he can end this madness, and he should do it today.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/01/why-does-len-brown-need-heavies.html

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  2. Ed Snack (1,872 comments) says:

    KS, I said this months ago and I still think it the most likely outcome; Brown won’t resign. There’s no sense of shame large enough to overcome the lure of the trough. And the “usual suspects” will support him right through.

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  3. Nostalgia-NZ (5,199 comments) says:

    The problem is KS is that’s he’s fronted up warts and all. Criticism from afar isn’t going to make any difference to him nor are insults. The Courts could, but McCready’s effort seems to be on the wrong track if he’s relying the AG (or was that SG) to consent to the prosecution. It may end up that it’s like it or lump it unless the ratepayers do something.

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  4. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    @KS: The fact that Brown has seen fit to employ 7 (yes, seven!) security guards to protect him from the voters of Auckland, confirms our suspicion that he intends to ride this entire mess out.

    In addition to his nauseating sense of entitlement, he has a total lack of morals, a lack of ethics, a total loss of credibility and total disrespect for the role of Mayor. He clearly has no sense of shame either.

    Maybe his future lies as a Labour List MP?

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  5. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Whale strandings: what can we do?

    Featuring Winston Peters, Colin Craig, David Cunliffe, Penny Bright, Russel Norman

    http://imperatorfish.com/2014/01/19/whale-strandings-what-can-we-do/

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  6. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    Len Brown’s venial facing down of his failings and betrayals is NZ politics at its most mercurial. So, if staff betray him, or steal money, or inappropriately share confidential documents, one presumes that will all be accepted, too, based on the Brown standard. Good for Goose etc.

    People of Auckland time exert your right to protest about this elected official (Russians and Arabs do it), and hold this scoundrel to account. Slow clap his Council meetings, picket his public appearances, write to the paper, call talk back, make his tenure impossible.

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  7. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Move on iMP – the public don’t give a hoot. According to Brown.

    Len Brown plays down SkyCity allegations

    Embattled Auckland Mayor Len Brown says the public "don't give much of a hoot" about his dealings with casino and hotel operator SkyCity.

    Mr Brown says he is "firmly focused" on Auckland, and "the rest of it will take care of itself in time".

    "Aucklanders have been very clear with their message to me over the Christmas break, and we spent a lot of time walking the parks with Shan, in the town centres, just listening to the community," he says. "Their message is they by and large don't give much of a hoot about what's happened."

    It seems clear what his spin doctors have advised – “bluff and bullshit your way through this, your job is our jobs”.

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  8. flash2846 (284 comments) says:

    Question on the Radio Live website
    Would you vote for Kim Dot Com party?

    This comment from tiagirl
    I would like to know more before I decide. Eg policies and how they impact on the NZ lower and working class as there appears to be lots of benefits for the wealthy with the current government.

    My response to tiagirl
    Good morning tiagirl; interesting comment regarding benefits for the wealthy.
    My challenge to you is this: within five seconds name just one National government policy benefiting just the wealthy. Then give yourself a minute and come up with say five more.
    You wont be able to and that my friend shows how each of us are manipulated by biased media.

    MY COMMENT WAS DELETED BY THE RADIO LIVE CENSORS – WTF?
    The Labour party propaganda machine has a very wide reach.

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  9. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Apparently Cunliffe is doing some big speech in Kelston next week. A state of the nation or some such.

    Does anyone know which accent he will be using? I guess if it gets press it will have to be his kiwi accent? not his flea market samoan one?

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  10. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    flash – “MY COMMENT WAS DELETED BY THE RADIO LIVE CENSORS – WTF?
    The Labour party propaganda machine has a very wide reach.”

    You sound surprised? Freedom of speech is now the domain of the blogs. Only one blog lets the side down – no prizes for guessing which one.

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  11. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    flash – i came across some far far left nutjob on twitter. turns out her workplace was listed as “radio live newsroom”. im talking nutjob extreme left.

    ZB is also shocking.

    they are funny too because they seem to have convinced themselves that they are neutral.

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  12. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    dime – “they are funny too because they seem to have convinced themselves that they are neutral.”

    I think it’s sad that they can delude themselves to that degree.

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  13. Manolo (13,764 comments) says:

    Comrade Juliar’s duplicity:
    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/stabilidy_and_securidy_in_the_region/#commentsmore

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  14. ManuT (51 comments) says:

    I had the same problem with Radio Dead. Three positive remarks about our prime minister with no bad language or any thing like that and they actually banned me. Really pisses me off

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  15. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Len Brown and his heavies, all supporters from South Auckland, never having paid rates, yet receiving all the benefits and freebies from those that do. This is what you get Auckland, be careful next time you have a vote, anything from the left is leeching, they don’t have the ability to gain a high standard of living on their own merits.

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  16. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    Nostalgia said

    The problem is KS is that’s he’s fronted up warts and all.

    That’s nonsense Nostalgia; he’s fronted up on his terms only. The EY report was heavily censored, because it made findings outside of the terms of reference, which Brown himself had a hand in preparing. Warts and all? Heck no; the warts are covered by a very thick layer of make-up; Spin Lizzie maybe :D

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  17. smttc (752 comments) says:

    I know I am probably going to invite ridicule by asking this but………..

    What is the best resource (a link please) for or way of dealing with stupid people who insist on being moon landing deniers? And I don’t mean just ignoring them.

    I know I could probably find a good resource but I am looking for the knock out punch.

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  18. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    I still believe that only named Ratepayers and New Zealand Citizens should be allowed to vote as to how their money is spent in local Elections.
    Similarly in National Elections – that is to say only Citizens (and positive Taxpayers).
    Now as we have seen more recently anybody in New Zealand can register and vote.

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  19. Scott Chris (6,135 comments) says:

    I know I am probably going to invite ridicule by asking this but………..

    Well, don’t show them this:

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  20. James Stephenson (2,177 comments) says:

    A wee break from the politics, if I may. Now, my opinions of Gareth Morgan are probably in line with most on here, so it’s not easy to say this, but:

    Go and watch the Phoenix.

    Seriously. It’s not just that they were lucky enough (and football needs a certain amount of that) to put 5 past Melbourne, they’re playing high quality, attractive, attacking and enterprising football and they deserve more support. It’d be worth living in Wellington to be able to be a season ticket holder.

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  21. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    I gotta say, as much as i enjoyed the cricket yesterday, the commentary was god awful.

    Surely they could have done better than gavaskar? New drinking game – every time he mentions how great the indians are at fielding, skull a beer. you wont make it to the end of the game.

    I think sky may be sucking up to the indian cricket board. it was constant praise. Even when they needed 180 of 17 overs with 6 wickets left they were a shoe in.

    Dhoni made the most highly praised 40 in the history of the game – how many more time will we hear the “he averages over 100 in successful run chases” stat?

    Dime went to cricinfo this morning to check the records of these gods among men. Dhoni and the century maker are class. The rest average in their 20’s outside of india. Hell, i didnt even take out the rest of the subcontinent.

    Its time to put Nisbett out to pasture. Smith & gaviskar = zzzz

    Then ya have that fucking know it all cumming. The dude averaged 26 in tests!!! twenty fucking six!!!!!!!

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  22. Longknives (4,742 comments) says:

    “Surely they could have done better than gavaskar?”

    Yep how dare they have one of the greatest batsmen of all time commentating?
    And how dare he praise the Indian players? Everyone knows you can only mention New Zealanders in any decent commentary..
    Perhaps we should get Justin Marshall in to team up with Nisbo in the summer as well?

    *Oh and I’d be a little wary of rubbishing this Indian team at this rather early stage of the tour…remember it wasn’t so long ago that these mighty Black Caps got spanked by Bangladesh..

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  23. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    longknives – he is as boring as fuck.

    Richard Hadlee – great player.. imagine listening to him.

    The indian team – love having them here. they are a really good side. they arent one of the all time great sides though. ive never heard so much praise dumped on one team. its not like we are talking the great aussie side with hayden, langer, gilly, warne, mcgrath, ponting, lee..

    Fair enough, have the indian guy praise his side.. but my god, he mentioned their fielding about 50 times. fielding which was crap yesterday.

    surely they could have got a younger guy with a bit more personality.

    ian bishop was fucking great. he shoulda stayed!

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  24. Longknives (4,742 comments) says:

    Hadlee wouldn’t commentate on ODIs- He literally hates what he calls the “pyjama version” of the game….(still took the car though..)

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  25. MT_Tinman (3,186 comments) says:

    Dime, compared to the “natives” Gavaskar was brilliant.

    This Indian team are the best in the world at the moment (in ODIs) with one of the most impressive opening med-quicks I’ve seen in that format for some time – far better than any operating across the Tasman yesterday.

    It was bloody hard watching both games last night but well worth it, if only to reinforce just how bad NZ commentators and colour men are.

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  26. ex-golfer (161 comments) says:

    If you want an entertaining change for the cricket, then mute the TV and use this:
    http://www.radiosport.co.nz/whatson/the-alternative-commentary-collective-jan2013

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  27. Fletch (6,386 comments) says:

    Interesting.

    Kiwi Sam Lee, original founder of Snow Park in Cardrona Valley, is developing a new kind of clip-on video camera called the meMini on Kickstarter. It’s been funded, so is going into production, I guess.

    Basically, you wear the camera on your clothes (it has a magnetic clip) and it continuously records on a loop of up to 5 minutes. So it’s basically continuously recording all the time, and when you record an event that’s just happened that you might like to save, you just press a button and it saves the last 5 minutes.

    The idea is supposed to be that no precious moments (that you didn’t know were going to occur) are lost.

    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/memini/memini-a-wearable-camera-with-the-gift-of-hindsigh

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  28. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    It was like a team of Mark Nicholas’ last night. Terrible.

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  29. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    ex-golfer – good plan! cheers

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  30. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Then ya have that fucking know it all cumming. The dude averaged 26 in tests!!! twenty fucking six!!!!!!!

    Yup, it was terrible all right. Maybe get Tinny in there? He will give the right mix of patronising NZ and excessively praising a highly overrated Indian team.

    Will there now be calls for India to be in a 2nd tier test pool? God they are talking them up so badly. Aus team of early 2000s would annihilate them.

    Cumming….our worst since Danny Morrison. Wasn’t his last test the one he got KO’d by a Steyn bouncer? Still remeber the blood to this day….

    And send Nisbo back to Super Rugby… god awful

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  31. Longknives (4,742 comments) says:

    Jeremy Wells knows his cricket but that alleged ‘Comedian’ Ben Hurley seems there just to taunt and insult the opposition…
    (weren’t we looking for impartial/unbiased commentary?)

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  32. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    with one of the most impressive opening med-quicks I’ve seen in that format for some time – far better than any operating across the Tasman yesterday.

    Are we actually watching the same thing? Do you mean India’s quicks are better than this?

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jan/19/england-beat-australia-womens-ashes

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  33. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    fielding which was crap yesterday.

    Raina must have tried to unsuccessfully stop 4s with his boot about 5 times. You might have expected that from Paddles in his 39th year but not a young batter in 2014….it was embarrasing

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  34. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Expertise please

    suggestions for phone roaming in Europe , going for a month, just shat and went blind seeing Telecom rates.
    Do you need new Sims for each country etc etc?

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  35. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    How China will beat NZ in the world dairy industry – the difference from the example in the article linked to is that in NZ it’s not only private business that is transferring technology (know-how) but also a State department as a virtual share milker to Chinese Communist capitalists.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/chinese-brands-expanding-into-world-markets-a-942094.html

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  36. Longknives (4,742 comments) says:

    You shouldn’t need a new sim in Europe…

    Work or pleasure? Going anywhere nice PEB?

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  37. Fletch (6,386 comments) says:

    Ouch!

    Judge Jeanine Pirro takes Hillary Clinton to the woodshed in her TV spot.

    She’s absolutely correct, of course.
    In a follow-up video, she speaks to fmr Navy SEAL Christopher Mark Heben, who says, “…let me make something very clear: nobody that wears a Navy SEAL Trident on their chest.. nobody is a fan of Obama, nobody is a fan of Hillary Clinton period”

    http://x.co/3g02b

    Kind of heartening to know.

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  38. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Re Pauleastbay (11.17)

    Switch the bloody thing off and take in the scenery and the history.

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  39. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    LK

    Holiday, the kids God parents have shouted us a trip as their Croatian grandfather has never seen our kids Landing in France and driving across to Croatia then out of Barcelona, awesome Xmas present but I need to know whether its best to buy a local SIm and just top up over there

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  40. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Jack5

    Good point !!

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  41. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Happy holiday, Paul!

    Croatian is a tough language for English speakers, but I’ve used the Pimsleur audio CD courses and they are good, and they have one on Croatian. If you have the time, Pimsleur Basic Croatian might give you some basic Croatian phrases etc.

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  42. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    jack5

    I sleep with my audio course, she can do all the translating, god knows the CD’s wont be as good as her!!!!!!

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  43. Longknives (4,742 comments) says:

    Loads of hot birds in Croatia…..The beer is cheap too!

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  44. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Dime – don’t mock Cumming.

    He is was the inspiration for the single greatest cricket supporter sign to sneak onto NZ TV in his playing days.

    (a VERY attractive female holding up an “I love Cumming” sign)

    The Murali chuckometer sign was a distant second.

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  45. stephieboy (3,042 comments) says:

    Fletch,

    Another side to the far right Republican Golden Girl, Judge Jeannie Pirro,

    http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/politics/newyork/features/862/

    Re Benghazi. She’s absolutely wrong, of course.!

    http://www.salon.com/2014/01/07/inside_the_right_wing_love_affair_with_conspiracy_theories_partner/

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  46. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Paulus: There is movement afoot where they will be pushing for principal ratepayers only, voting in local body elections. Everywhere there is a high density of non-ratepayers, lechers like Brown, Wade-Brown, Dalziel, etc. have been elected.

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  47. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    igm

    I’d oppose that that on the grounds that I am a renter in Auckland but a property owner in the Bay of Plenty. Another reason I don’t believe it will work is NZ will become more and more like the US and Europe where the 1/4 acre dream is a thing of the past like baker lite telephones.

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  48. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    General Debate has become very cricket focussed lately.
    Is cricket the new religion? :)

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  49. stephieboy (3,042 comments) says:

    UKIP Councillor David Silvester blames the recent flood and storm across Britain on the decision to pass the Gay Rights Marriage Bill,

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25793358

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  50. edhunter (546 comments) says:

    Maybe it’s with a sense of Nostalgia but heard Danny Morrison doing radio commentary in Brisbane last week & didn’t think he sounded too bad.

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  51. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Polly you lucky bugger ! Croatia is awesome and the women are stunning.

    It was refreshing to be in a place with a strong national identity. They are not ashamed of being white and christian, like the rest of Europe.

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  52. Ryan Sproull (7,140 comments) says:

    Holiday, the kids God parents have shouted us a trip as their Croatian grandfather has never seen our kids Landing in France and driving across to Croatia then out of Barcelona, awesome Xmas present but I need to know whether its best to buy a local SIm and just top up over there

    If you have the chance, visit the Old Town in Dubrovnik and walk the walls.

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  53. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Cartoon: An interesting conundrum

    “It’s an interesting conundrum, father – do only reactionary nutcases smack their kids, or do kids turn you into a reactionary nutcase?”

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  54. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    UKIP Councillor David Silvester blames the recent flood and storm across Britain on the decision to pass the Gay Rights Marriage Bill,

    Canada got the same Holly judgment. It was a “god smack”

    God Hates Fags.

    http://www.godhatesfags.com/

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  55. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    England, land of the sodomite dammed !

    The United Kingdom’s Evil Government

    this just in – Westboro Baptst Churh has been banned from the UK by their filthy government! When WBC announced plans to conduct a peaceful picket outside the fag propaganda play, The Laramie Project, at Basingstoke, the fags and their enablers began to howl like the dogs they are. In response, on February 18, 2009, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith issued a ban to keep WBC out of the country. When reporting Smiths actions, The Sun stated that WBC members will now be stopped by immigration officials on arrival and placed straight on a flight back to the U.S. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2250721.ece. News of the ban spread like wildfire across the world (see, e.g., the Reuters verion).

    http://www.godhatestheworld.com/unitedkingdom/government.html

    You British Bastards will not have Jesus Christ to rule over you, and think you can issue bans and pass laws to remove Gods word from the landscape. You do greatly err, not knowing the power of God; and, you do that against your own interests. It is a great kindness to have Gods prophets in your land. But, you ungrateful brutes despise knowledge. It is too late for the UK. God Hates You! Gods wrath and destruction is all thats left for you, thanks to Secretary Smith. Toodles!

    The Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the legislative body in this country, and it has parliamentary sovereignty complete power over all other political bodies in the U.K. Its head is the Sovereign, Queen Elizabeth, II. Thats right – the exact same Queen Elizabeth, II, who is the head of the Church of England. In theory, she has supreme legislative power; however, in reality, she acts on the advice of the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister from 1997 to 2007 was Tony Blair, who never saw a fag-enabling cause he did not fully support and convince his Queen to fully support. That is undoubtedly how the Gay Harassment Law of 2007 was passed which will get you 7 years in prison for preaching to or about the fags (called inciting violence or hatred toward gays and lesbians).

    Heir to the throne, Prince Charles of Wales, will certainly carry on his wicked mothers tradition of pandering to the fags and any other filthy, vile cause. The famous adulterer (who carried on an affair before the entire country while married to the great whore, Princess Diana) has no authority to do otherwise. The same God who said it was an abomination to be a fag also said thou shalt not commit adultery.

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  56. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    And a cartoon character:

    “The police investigation into Michael Laws after an allegation of assault against his son proves the anti-smacking legislation completely misses the point,” says Conservative Party Leader Colin Craig.

    It proves nothing apart from the fact that police are investigation. The public has no idea how justified or unjustified then complaint or the police inquiry may be,

    “The anti-smacking law has contributed towards the increase in child abuse,” says Mr Craig, “It has taken the focus off the abusers, and targeted good mums and dads who are simply trying to raise decent children.”

    A claim for which he provides no proof. In particular I challenge the that “good mums and dads” have been targeted, that’s a ridiculous claim.

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  57. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Did i hear this correctly… Obama and other world leaders wont go to the winter games because russia doesnt like homos?

    So its ok to have terrible human rights for straight people.. but frown upon the gays and youre in trouble! no visits! equality??

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  58. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Pauleast: You would be voting in the area where you pay rates. This has to be a goer, ratepayers have been hijacked by the left and are getting totally screwed. Wellington = living wage; Auckland = Lecher Len, his dreams, indulgences, and misbehaviour . . . what next.

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  59. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    dime, fags are an abonomation.

    (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Dt. 23:18)

    Here are some others to watch out for LOL :)

    Lobsters, shrimp, clams, octopus, and squids

    Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 11:12

    Four-legged fowls

    All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 11:20

    Four-footed flying, creeping things

    But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 11:23
    Whatever crawls on its belly, goes on all four, or has lots of legs
    Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth … are an abomination. Leviticus 11:42

    Sacrificing a blemished sheep or goat

    Thou shalt not sacrifice unto the LORD thy God any bullock, or sheep, wherein is blemish, or any evilfavouredness: for that is an abomination unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 17:1

    Women who wear men’s clothing

    The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 22:5

    The hire of a whore or the price of a dog

    Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 23:18

    Taking back an ex-wife after she’s been defiled

    (If you get married and then find that you hate your wife because she’s unclean or something, go ahead and divorce her and kick her out of your house. After she’s gone, if some other guy marries her and also hates her and divorces her, don’t take her back as your wife. It really pisses God off. It’s an abomination to him.)
    When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man’s wife. And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD. Deuteronomy 24:1-4

    The work of a craftsman

    Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman…. Deuteronomy 27:15

    Whatever people value the most

    (Like kindness, wisdom, truth, courage, honesty, love, compassion, beauty?)
    That which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. Luke 16:15

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  60. Ryan Sproull (7,140 comments) says:

    So its ok to have terrible human rights for straight people.. but frown upon the gays and youre in trouble! no visits! equality??

    Where were they during the Beijing Summer Olympics?

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  61. Rowan (2,338 comments) says:

    Dime
    The Radio sport commentary was better, I watched the first half live, and listened to the end on radio sport after I’d been out for a while. The RS crew are a lot better to listen to.

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  62. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Kea, the British handed their church to Henry V111 so he could order marriage bed law around his will of the moment.

    They sacrificed their national cult to the needs of the Crown/those in government power over the people.

    The only countries to willingly support American surveillance of their people are those under this Crown.

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  63. johnwellingtonwells (137 comments) says:

    To pauleastbay at 11.17 am. Go to http://www.aboutworldcallsim.biz – cloud PDF download. OneSimCard is TravelSim plus a lot of extras. I give kiwibloggers an extra US$10 airtime and a free forwarding email address: yourname@thedesolationofsmaug.info. Contact details are in the PDF

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  64. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Michael Moore meets Fred Phelps.
    Look out for the Sodommobile! (Please tailgate)

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  65. James Stephenson (2,177 comments) says:

    that’s a ridiculous claim.

    Almost as ridiculous as Dunne’s claimed reasons for voting against Jami Lee Ross’ bill.

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  66. stephieboy (3,042 comments) says:

    Kea (9,592 comments) says:
    January 20th, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    Kea I understand that Leviticus spends more time on the” abomination” of shell fish than homos.
    I take it therefore that shellfish like pork are a banned food in your household and fellowship.?
    Is Colin Craig and the CONservative party going to ban the items as well as faggots.?

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  67. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    dime, worse Obama would go to a country where same sex acts were illegal, but won’t go to Russia where they are legal.

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  68. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Happy anniversary day from the earthquake god here in Wellington.

    Must have been a great time to be in the stands at Trentham.

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  69. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Almost as ridiculous as Dunne’s claimed reasons for voting against Jami Lee Ross’ bill.

    Nothing like it.

    Dunne said he would not support the bill which was unfair and handed another weapon to employers.

    ‘‘I think that the right to strike, whether one agree with strikes or not, is an important part of our industrial law framework and I think that what this bill potentially does is make it very easy for employers to ditch striking staff very quickly.’’

    He understood concerns about the disruption caused by strikes but said he was not convinced this was the answer.

    Judging that it was going a bit too far isn’t ridiculous. In fact it wasn’t even a Government bill so National can’t have been very keen on it themselves.

    The defeat was not unexpected as a number of National ministers and employer groups have expressed disquiet about the bill being a step too far.

    Dunne gave National a way out without them being seen to vote against a Member’s Bill of one of it’s own MPs (in my opinion).

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  70. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Fuck me running

    that was big!

    Palmy earthquake

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  71. hj (7,006 comments) says:

    My response to tiagirl
    Good morning tiagirl; interesting comment regarding benefits for the wealthy.
    My challenge to you is this: within five seconds name just one National government policy benefiting just the wealthy. Then give yourself a minute and come up with say five more.
    You wont be able to and that my friend shows how each of us are manipulated by biased media.

    ………
    tax breaks for property investors + immigragion. 90% of .zillionaires get there by property investment.

    where do I collect my prize?

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  72. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    Ekatahuna apparently. Most exciting thing thats happened there for 600 years.

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  73. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    It was plenty exciting here in Palmy Yogi…only time ever I have left a building in a quake. Very vigorus sustained shake, just no huge bangs in it.

    I am going to pack a “if shit happens” bag right now. :-)

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  74. Yogibear (366 comments) says:

    HJ – that policy, either through intent or omission, has also been the policy of Labour, NZF and the Greens for the last “zillion” (to borrow and modify your technical term) years too.

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  75. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Focal Depth 65 km
    Magnitude 6.3
    Location 10 km north of Castlepoint

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  76. hj (7,006 comments) says:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100255422/proof-at-last-eurocrats-secretly-admit-that-countries-are-better-off-out/
    Proof at last: Eurocrats secretly admit that countries are better off out

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  77. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    God hates crustaceans:

    In the USA, the city of New Orleans was smote with hurricane Katrina because of all the seafood restaurants that specialize in tempting the faithful with spicy, tasty, delicious shellfish. God has rendered judgement on creole cuisine.

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  78. hj (7,006 comments) says:

    We are due for the big one 8+ on the Alpine Fault. Before it happens there will be for shocks?

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  79. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    I just read a story about the sentencing of a victim woman who drove her car into a male family member, severing his leg. He lost the leg.

    The story was dripping with sympathy for the woman and the jury was not convinced she really meant to harm the man ! Reading the article you would think SHE was the victim. There was a lot written about how the man had forgiven her. She got 3 years prison, but will serve a fraction of that.

    She was previously sentenced to 3 years 9 months for shaking a baby so hard it suffered permanent brain damage and denying the child the necessities of life. But she was portrayed as a victim then too.

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  80. ex-golfer (161 comments) says:

    Re the regular and annual whale beachings/strandings.

    Is it just me or is the absence of the Green Party apparatchiks flocking to help out the stranded whales quite noticeable?
    Surely Wussell, Metewia and Gaweth should be on their bikes to help out……or is actual wet-work too far beneath them?

    And……when was the last time anyone actually counted all the whales in the oceans?
    Because without a proper audit, how do we know the population is decreasing?

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  81. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    hj

    There may be foreshocks but the Alpine fault doesn’t run through Castlepoint. So this is not an Alpine Fault foreshock. Could be something else though.

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  82. Mobile Michael (451 comments) says:

    HJ – average return time is 330 years. Last one was in 1717. So, you would expect one to have happened by the end of this century, it’s not really overdue.

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  83. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    And that’s based on a sample size of 4 so not a reliable estimate

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  84. hj (7,006 comments) says:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100255422/proof-at-last-eurocrats-secretly-admit-that-countries-are-better-off-out/

    It’s hard to think of a theory that has become so dominant with so flimsy a basis. The story of the our age has been one, not of amalgamation, but of disaggregation: empires have split into smaller and smaller units. Fifty years ago, there were 115 states in the United Nations, today there are 193. What’s more, small territories are generally more successful. The wealthiest states on Earth, measured by per capita GDP, are Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Norway, Qatar, Switzerland, Macau, Australia, the UAE, Kuwait, Sweden, San Marino and Jersey.
    ……

    The Herald editor prattled about “our Asia embracing future”.

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  85. hj (7,006 comments) says:

    http://www.statschat.org.nz/2012/06/28/alpine-fault-can-we-panic-now/

    prababilty of major earthquake on alpine fault.

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  86. Gulag1917 (915 comments) says:

    The big quakes seem to be heading north increasing the chances of a decent volcanic eruption.

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  87. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t read too much into the latest Wairarapa quakes. The whole region is being pushed into the Rimutaka/Tararua ranges by the Pacific plate & something has to give now & again. The one that worries me is a possible repeat of the 8.2 magnitude 1855 event when the Rimutakas were pushed up 6 metres in places with a horizontal slip of 14 metres.

    Mostly because I live about 1.5km from the fault!

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  88. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    Oh dear.

    http://www.contemporaryfamilies.org/impact-of-conservative-protestantism-on-regional-divorce-rates/

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  89. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    hj

    The Alpine fault runs out to sea North of Kaikoura & follows the Kermadec Trench up to Tonga. Where it follows the Wairarapa coastline, about 100Km offshore it’s known as the Hikurangi Trench.

    Some expert was recently blathering on about the likelihood of it rupturing any time now but as usual he was a bit short on specifics. One thing although is certain…..it would produce a mother & a father of a tsunami along the east coast of the North Island.

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  90. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    A bit more about the female who drove a car into her male relative pinning him against a pole and severing his leg.

    Note:

    1. This lovely kiwi girl was pregnant again at sentencing after her attack on the infant.

    2. She ripped the mans leg off after being released early from her short sentence for the baby attack.

    the baby was subject to a violent assault which left him with brain damage, extensive haemorrhaging to the eyes, a retina fold to one eye and partial paralysis…He said the child was now severely brain damaged, and, although he was not in a vegetative state, he would need ongoing professional support and was unlikely to live a long life.

    Imagine this sort of excuse making reporting if the violent offender was a male ! The liberal media and male hate groups would scream blue bloody murder.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/9624764/Forgiveness-lets-victim-move-on

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/2666929/Pregnant-mum-jailed-for-baby-attack

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  91. stigie (1,173 comments) says:

    Mostly because I live about 1.5km from the fault!

    Should move to the top of the south Nasska. Have everything you want here !

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  92. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Feminist Shaming Tactics

    By Karen Straughan

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  93. Gulag1917 (915 comments) says:

    nasska,
    you certainly are in an exciting place geologically and hopefully nothing too big will happen.

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  94. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Nasska.
    What breed of quad do you drive and is it any good?
    My Ole Man who is 73 needs to move up into a better hunting machine before he kills himself and maybe me!

    Thinking maybe Honda auto powersteer?

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  95. Manolo (13,764 comments) says:

    Some criminal Muslims never sleep: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/terror-surprise-sochi-olympics-purported-suicide-bombers-threat/story?id=21589469

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  96. Fletch (6,386 comments) says:

    I understand that Leviticus spends more time on the” abomination” of shell fish than homos.
    I take it therefore that shellfish like pork are a banned food in your household and fellowship.?

    Actually, many of the laws God gave in the Old Testament were for a certain time only – for the Exodus – but many of them were pertaining to health and cleanliness to keep the Jews well and are measures that we all follow today. Remember this was hundreds (thousands?) of years before anyone knew about germs, bacteria, or simply washing your hands before you eat yet God gives the Jews quite practical laws , eg, not eating shellfish, keeping sick or infected people (and their clothing) away from others etc etc. This led to the Jewish nation probably being one of the healthiest there was.

    “the spiritual and hygienic reasons for the laws may still be affirmed. They are remarkably valuable in the area of public health… These laws protected Israel from bad diet, dangerous vermin and communicable diseases… These were rule-of-thumb laws that God gave in His wisdom to a people who could not know the reason for the provision” (The Expositor’s Bible Commentary)

    The biblical laws of sanitation were clearly ahead of their time! There was really no way to fully understand the reasons for these laws until the invention of the microscope, the discovery of bacteria and the pioneering work of pathologists in recent centuries, yet these ancient biblical laws have proven scientifically valid today! People who touched a dead or diseased animal or person—or even garments or secretions from a sick person—were to bathe and wash their clothes and avoid contact with others. Contaminated garments were to be washed or burned—important sanitizing principles that are still followed today. Dwellings that showed signs of mold, or that had harbored sick individuals, were to be cleaned, repaired or destroyed, to prevent the spread of disease (see Leviticus 13–15). Porous vessels that came into contact with dead animals were to be broken, since they would harbor bacteria. People showing signs of sickness were to be isolated—quarantined—until examined by a priest and declared well. People were to wash after having sex. Tattoos and cuttings on the flesh were also forbidden (Leviticus 19:28), for reasons that include the risk of contracting disease. Modern physicians warn that tattoos and body-piercing carry a risk for contracting infectious diseases like hepatitis B, hepatitis C, syphilis and HIV/AIDS (International Journal of Infectious Disease, 2001, 5(1), 27–34).

    In Deuteronomy 23:9–14, we learn that human wastes were to be buried, away from human dwellings. Today we call this sanitary waste disposal, and its benefits are widely understood but not always practiced—especially in poverty-stricken areas. History is filled with epidemics of typhus, cholera and dysentery, linked to the careless dumping of human waste into streets and rivers, or feeding human waste to animals that are then eaten. Burying human waste breaks the life cycle of many parasitic organisms that spread disease. This simple practice is much more effective, and less expensive, than treating disease after it breaks out—and God put this principle in the Bible thousands of years before mankind’s science understood its benefit!

    Read MORE

    So you see, the Jews didn’t totally understand the reasons for the laws they were commanded to follow but we still follow many of these laws today because we know about germs. The Jews were ahead of their time because of following God’s laws.

    VERY smart! :)

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  97. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Manolo, and nor does the Zionist [sleep] along with his attack dog the USA. At least the Muslims fight their own battles, unlike the cowardly Zionist.

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  98. Steve (North Shore) (4,561 comments) says:

    Wonder if the Green flakes are researching how todays’ earthquake can be blamed ob Global Warming/Climate Change/Weather?

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  99. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Actually, many of the laws God gave in the Old Testament were for a certain time only

    “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19
    “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)

    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)

    “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)

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  100. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    Colville

    Stick to Honda or Yamaha & you won’t go too far wrong. The later Polaris quads are reasonable machines but I can’t see much point in trying to save a few bob & buying a bucket of shit which most of the Chinese stuff seems to be.

    Ask around your area because the competence of the local dealership is just about everything nowadays. The new quads are chocka with computer controlled features which are well, well beyond the abilities of us simple rural folk to fix or service.

    About as bad as the bloody cars…..the local Toyota ripoffs quoted $550 for an O2 sensor for the wife’s wagon last week.

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  101. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Wonder if the Green flakes are researching how todays’ earthquake can be blamed ob Global Warming/Climate Change/Weather?

    Steve, apparently it was caused by gay marriage.

    “Rabbi Yehuda Levin Blames Washington, DC Earthquake On Gay Marriage”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/24/rabbi-yehuda-levin-earthquake_n_935596.html

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  102. Fletch (6,386 comments) says:

    Kea, but Jesus also clarified or fulfilled laws. Look up the, “you have heard it said…. But I say” verses in Matthew 5.

    Also, don’t forget,

     “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.) ~ Mark 7:18-19

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+7&version=NIV

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  103. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    The WASP will be able to predict the next earthquake for you, its got to be good for some fucking thing

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  104. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Fletch, yes I am well aware the bible is full of contradictions and can be used as a reference to support any position. Which is another reason why it is useless as a measure of morality.

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  105. stephieboy (3,042 comments) says:

    President Obama stating the rather obvious,

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/barack-obama-some-dislike-me-because-im-black-20140120-hv932.html

    Especially amongst tea baggers , far right Republicans , bloggers and associated fruit loops both there, here and elsewhere.!

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  106. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    stephieboy, and some like him because he is black. In fact he would not be POTUS if he were not black.

    stephieboy, remind us of why he was awarded his Nobel prize ?

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  107. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    stephieboy

    ….””There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black president,” Mr Obama said”…..

    And there’s be a lot more who don’t like him because he’d be the most useless bloody tealeaf who has ever managed to stuff up a country.

    The whining no-hoper is playing the race card to deflect well deserved blame.

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  108. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    stephieboy – And all the progressives love him because he is black.

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  109. MikeG (425 comments) says:

    So according to Farrar, the Minister of the year is also financially illiterate!
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11189319

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  110. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    nasska, do you know how Mr Obama earned that peace prize ?

    It seems strange, because the only election promise he kept was to massively increase the Afghan war. He said he would and indeed he did. He also started numerous new military actions through out Central Asia, Middle East and especially Africa. He makes Bush look like a dope smoking peace freak. In fact if your not, white or a Jew, you are probably on his list.

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  111. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    Kea

    He has devalued the Nobel prize for all time. From now on it has the same gravitas as a voucher for a Happy Meal awarded for a win at the “Special” Games.

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  112. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Cheers nasska

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  113. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Since I am from Barcelona and my laptop shit itself several nights ago I am pleased to see that Kea and nasska and PEB are very busy! :)

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  114. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    nasska, I loved how the EU got a Nobel Prize as Europe burned and rioted all around them.

    Interestingly the country that country that awarded the prize rejected membership of the EU.

    The prize is pure bullshit and politics and means nothing.

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  115. All_on_Red (1,582 comments) says:

    Stephie
    Obamas approval rating ain’t that hot. Over 50% don’t like him.
    Did you know that in the Election that Obama got 93% of the black vote? And look what it’s got them.lol.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

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  116. Longknives (4,742 comments) says:

    Let me get this right- Obama reckons his popularity is waning simply because he is black? Nothing to do with his political failings, the Benghazi incident etc etc ?
    Christ the guy is fucking deluded. Mind you- he has that vile racist woman in his ear every night, and she is just consumed by hatred for everything except pretty frocks and parties with Beyonce
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11189148

    Makes me angry to think that this repulsive woman who sat sneering through a 911 flag folding ceremony is in the Whitehouse…

    I think I need some humour to cheer me up. Nasska- How far away are the jokes man?

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  117. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    Amongst the female staff of the Auckland Council, Len is known as ‘The Quaker’.

    Not because of the state he leaves them in after sex but because his oats are instant.

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  118. Longknives (4,742 comments) says:

    Aaah- that’s better…

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  119. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Obama needs to give the world another first. The first president to hang for war crimes and treason.

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  120. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Thank God Hubbard never got to be the Mayor then nasska! :)

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  121. All_on_Red (1,582 comments) says:

    ” he has that vile racist woman in his ear every night”

    Oprah?

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  122. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    His dried up cherrys may have been sucked back into life! :)

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  123. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    stephieboy, must be busy writing up that list of reasons why Obama got a Nobel Prize.

    Reasons that don’t involve skin colour. Because that offends stephieboy’s sensibilities. :)

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  124. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Stephie thinks I’m a racist Kea. Silly fool. All my flock are black sheep! :)

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  125. stigie (1,173 comments) says:

    Where is Stiffieboy on the reasons Obama got a Noble Prize ?

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  126. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    “The committee said it attached special importance to Obama’s vision of, and work for, a world without nuclear weapons.”

    LOL :)


    U.S. nuclear weapon plans to cost $355 billion over a decade: CBO report

    The Obama administration’s plans for the U.S. nuclear weapons complex, including modernization of bombs, delivery systems and laboratories, will cost the country about $355 billion over the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office said on Friday.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/20/us-usa-nuclear-arms-idUSBRE9BJ1FH20131220

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  127. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    It’s a new Black Dawn… :) arising over the fraught question of nuclear weapons and the use of! :)

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  128. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Johnboy, are you racist towards his white half or his black half ?

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  129. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    I’m prepared to shut my eyes, turn the light out and shag anything Kea! :)

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  130. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Johnboy, I prefer something more than white bread myself and I want to see what I am eating ;)

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  131. Fletch (6,386 comments) says:

    Makes me angry to think that this repulsive woman who sat sneering through a 911 flag folding ceremony is in the Whitehouse…

    They may be splitting up, according to some.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541580/Is-Obama-marriage-rocks-Ugly-fights-selfie-Even-Presidential-affair-Astonishing-claims-emerge.html

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  132. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    Kea’s baby photo (warning….don’t open if nudity offends). :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/j6ko1thgt6yne1n/Kea%203.jpg

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  133. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    When your as old as I am Kea it’s easier to gum white bread rather than try to chew the multigrain stuff! :)

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  134. Fletch (6,386 comments) says:

    Obama is probably the only subject Kea and I agree on…lol

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  135. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Fletch, that is simply untrue. You just lack my bible knowledge ;)

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  136. stigie (1,173 comments) says:

    So Johnboy and Kea like to split dark oak then ?

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  137. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    “Kea’s baby photo ”

    nasska, looks like its eggs for breakfast.

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  138. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    stigie , hell yes ! You won’t find many blonde hairs caught up in my vacuum cleaner :)

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  139. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    All the wood I ever split was pink inside stigie. :)

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  140. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    You know what they say about pictures….

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeYpIazCcAASACT.jpg:large

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  141. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Somethings wrong here tonight…..Minus is absent! :)

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  142. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    cha, that clearly shows the states that stopped segregation were over run by blacks, just as the anti-segregation people warned.

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  143. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    “Somethings wrong here tonight…..Minus is absent! ”

    What is Minus ?

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  144. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Even Japper’s wish they wus born in Dixie! :)

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  145. stigie (1,173 comments) says:

    Who’s Minus Johnboy ?

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  146. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    He is Johnboy’s downtick monster Kea. You’ve been absent while he as been active! :)

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  147. stigie (1,173 comments) says:

    Why the 5 min countdown now. Does anybody know ?

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  148. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    What countdown stigie?

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  149. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    The Downtick Monster is taking his toll on JB’s confidence….now he hesitates to walk past nightclubs with darkened doorways across the road from them. :)

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  150. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    He is Johnboy’s downtick monster Kea.

    Johnboy, you are welcome to borrow one of my lurking cowards. There are plenty to go around :)

    Where is bereal and LRC now days ? Maybe they have swapped hobbies and bereal is prancing around the water front in his running gear while LRC is passed out on the couch.

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  151. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    I’ve taken to carrying two shotguns and a Glock recently nasska! :)

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  152. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    I’m popping up to Ekatahuna next month for the February wife swapping festival….what should I carry? :)

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  153. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Jb you can actually get down ticked and not even be on here its very clever how they do it.

    I believe its Judith myself behind the twitches and ticks and sheer insanity I believe she is very vindictive as well

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  154. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    A four leafed clover JB. :)

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  155. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    I thought a bottle of wine should be adequate? :)

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  156. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Johnboy, the shotty is only good for young girls I hear and even then you have to surprise them. They can’t know what’s coming !

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  157. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    PEB. You cad!

    I’ve always thought Judith was a very sexy woman….just like Penny! :)

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  158. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    I can get down ticked for saying “babies are cute” LOL :)

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  159. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    You can banned for eight weeks for saying not much else Kea!!!! :)

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  160. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Speaking of sexy women, where is that gorgeous passionate crazy god bothering Lucy ?

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  161. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    Check what I cop for suggesting that Colin Craig is mortal. :)

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  162. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Looking after her poor old Mum Kea…..be nice!

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  163. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Never pick on a guy that is heavily into smack nasska!

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  164. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Johnboy, she is a good girl.

    I guess “they” have finally got UglyTruth by now ? :)

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  165. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Truth will out. Ugly or otherwise! :)

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  166. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    When I was a young chap I can remember catching the Hutt train and being abused by all those evil Catholic girls in their black and white Saint Mary’s uniforms catching the Porirua train. Then they brought out the Saint Trinians movies! :)

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  167. stigie (1,173 comments) says:

    Well fuck me. i am the only one here with no demerits.
    Might have to start getting abusive like Reddy !!~

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  168. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Apologist, prog, recividist, backslider, etc, etc should help get you started stigie! :)

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  169. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    stigie, I called a few people who worship a slave dealing, mass murdering, baby killer, a few names and was banned for a month !

    The time before that for simply pointing out a self evident truth and another time for not hating men enough. Also got demerits for not loving Obama and communists as much as I should.

    LOL :)

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  170. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    I’ve only been banned three times. But I love Obama! :)

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  171. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Johnboy, I hope Red is happy “Twittering” because that is where the really important people go to debate. You know, people like tweeny girls and commercial pop culture identities.

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  172. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    And Judith Collins Kea! :)

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  173. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    But nothing beats this epic melt down folks from the resident sanctimonious prig:

    http://yournz.org/2013/11/09/kea-on-kiwiblog-rape-culture-and-abuse/

    LOL :)

    This takes being a pathetic cry baby to an art form !

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  174. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    You do tend to take things far too seriously at times Kea! :)

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  175. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Shut up Johnboy, I am trying to fix my scroll button after searching for the end of PG’s melt down.

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  176. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Everything we ever achieve here is just a tiny victory Kea and all our loss’s are as naught. Move on as Helen once said! :)

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  177. stephieboy (3,042 comments) says:

    Kea (9,626 comments) says:
    January 20th, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    Obama needs to give the world another first. The first president to hang for war crimes and treason.

    What war crimes and what treason exactly other than what rightwing paranoid nutbars and bloggers claim.?

    I can see there are still sour and sore losers post 14/11 /12.

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  178. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Johnboy, you won’t see me running to David with emails and breathless Twitters, demanding “something be done” LOL :)

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  179. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Even if Obama was convicted it would be 30 years before execution and at least 15 minutes before the drugs kicked in! :)

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  180. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    I gave you a downtrou for that Kea. Get over it. You are better than that!

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  181. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    Johnboy, maybe you should tell on me ?

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  182. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    stephieboy, I am happy to answer your questions about Mr Obama.

    But only when you answer my question about why he got a Nobel Prize ?

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  183. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Not at all Kea and I have to piss off and have a shower now so I can resume my real life as a captain of industry tomorrow morning.

    I can’t chat anymore tonight but you really have to get over yourself and start contributing like you know you can mate! :)

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  184. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    night Johnboy :)

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  185. stephieboy (3,042 comments) says:

    Kea this is a good place to begin,

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-sattler/why-president-obama-deser_b_3896183.html

    Now you answer mine.

    Specifically what war crimes and what treason has Obama committed before you retire for the night with your warm egg milk.?

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  186. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    I said an answer not an excuse.

    He as attacked and invaded numerous countries that have committed no wrong against America. The only common factor is they are Muslim and may contain people unsympathetic to Israel. He has actively been involved in destabilising numerous countries, around Israel, that have all turned into disasters for the people.

    The only country that has benefited from is reign of terror has been Israel. He was bought and paid for by jewish money and it is them he serves. One of his first jobs was to bail out jewish owned financial institutions, while launching war against the muslim world.

    In spite of America being bankrupt and unable to care for its own people, he continues spending trillions on killing people Israel does not like and still has enough to donate billions to Israel.

    This needs updating. It has become worse. Much.

    http://stpeteforpeace.org/factsheets/obama.html

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  187. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    Got any considered opinions on this point Kiwibloggers?

    (Given that NZ is perceived to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ – sort of thing? :)
    _________________________________________________________________________________________

    EVIDENCE Attorney-General Chris Finlayson voted in favour of the New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill
    — Third Reading 12 November 2013

    How is this not a significant ‘conflict of interest’ for NZ Attorney-General Chris Finlayson?

    Even worse that it was a ‘personal’ vote?

    NZ Attorney-General Chris Finlayson voted in favour of the NZ International Convention Centre Bill (Third Reading). yet under s.106 of the NZ Crimes Act 1961,

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM328783.htm

    106 Restrictions on prosecution

    (1)No one shall be prosecuted for an offence against any of the provisions of sections 100, 101, 104, 105, 105A,105B, 105C, and 105D without the leave of the Attorney-General, who before giving leave may make such inquiries as he or she thinks fit.

    (It is s.105(1) of the Crimes Act 1961, that a private prosecution of Auckland Mayor Len Brown was received by the Auckland District Court on !5 January 2014.)
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/debates/debates/50HansD_20131112_00000024/new-zealand-international-convention-centre-bill-—-third

    New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill — Third Reading

    [Sitting date: 12 November 2013. Volume:694;Page:14549. Text is incorporated into the Bound Volume.]

    New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill

    A personal vote was called for on the question, That the New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill be now read a third time.

    Ayes 61

    Adams (P) Dunne (P) Key (P) Simpson (P)
    Ardern S (P) English (P) King C Smith (P)
    Auchinvole (P) Finlayson Lee (P) Tisch (P)
    Bakshi (P) Foss (P) Lotu-Iiga (P) Tolley (P)
    Banks (P) Foster-Bell Macindoe Tremain (P)
    Barry (P) Goldsmith (P) McClay (P) Upston (P)
    Bennett D Goodhew (P) McCully (P) Wagner
    Bennett P (P) Groser (P) McKelvie (P) Wilkinson (P)
    Borrows (P) Guy (P) Mitchell Williamson
    Bridges (P) Hauiti (P) Ngaro (P) Woodhouse
    Brownlee (P) Hayes (P) O’Connor S (P) Yang (P)
    Calder (P) Heatley (P) Parata (P) Young (P)
    Carter (P) Henare Roy (P)
    Coleman (P) Hutchison (P) Ryall (P)
    Collins (P) Joyce (P) Sabin (P) Teller:
    Dean (P) Kaye (P) Shanks (P) Ross

    Noes 59
    Ardern J (P) Harawira (P) Moroney Street (P)
    Browning (P) Hipkins (P) Norman (P) Tirikatene (P)
    Clark (P) Horan (P) O’Connor D (P) Turei
    Clendon (P) Hughes O’Rourke (P) Turia (P)
    Cosgrove (P) Huo (P) Parker (P) Twyford (P)
    Cunliffe (P) Jones (P) Peters (P) Walker (P)
    Curran King A Prasad (P) Wall (P)
    Delahunty Lees-Galloway (P) Prosser Whaitiri
    Dyson Little Robertson G (P) Williams
    Faafoi Logie (P) Robertson R (P) Woods (P)
    Fenton Lole-Taylor Roche
    Flavell Mackey Sage (P)
    Genter (P) Mahuta (P) Sharples (P)
    Goff (P) Mallard (P) Shearer (P)
    Graham (P) Martin Sio (P) Teller:
    Hague (P) Mathers (P) Stewart Beaumont

    Bill read a third time.

    _____________________________________________________l

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM328753.html

    105 Corruption and bribery of official

    (1)Every official is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who, whether within New Zealand or elsewhere, corruptly accepts or obtains, or agrees or offers to accept or attempts to obtain, any bribe for himself or herself or any other person in respect of any act done or omitted, or to be done or omitted, by him or her in his or her official capacity.

    (2)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who corruptly gives or offers or agrees to give any bribe to any person with intent to influence any official in respect of any act or omission by him or her in his or her official capacity.

    Compare: Criminal Code (1954) s 102 (Canada)
    Section 105(2): amended, on 3 May 2001, by section 7 of the Crimes (Bribery of Foreign Public Officials) Amendment Act 2001 (2001 No 28).
    _______________________________________________________________________________________________

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  188. stephieboy (3,042 comments) says:

    Kea,
    Sorry old boy but your link with but one example is wrong about the war in Libya,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

    And but one more has declined to obey his Israeli paymasters re intervention in Syria.

    Am so sorry he has not followed those other Israel Toadies Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield into another Iraq.

    Reign of Terror.?? Your off your Tree.!

    What Billions donated to Israel. ? Again specifics please.

    Name one country he has gone in and conquered and annexed ,adding to the the US Empire.?

    Why do you hate Jews so much and blame them for every conceivable wrong in the world Today.?

    You obviously need something much stronger than your egg milk.!

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  189. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    I do not hate Jews and of all the violent desert cults it is my favourite. Muslims my least favourite. Jews are at the forefront of liberal thought and even half Israelis are now atheists.

    Glad you raised Syria. Obama wanted to attack even though his traditional allies and the international community was against him. Even his own people did not support him.

    His reasons were a lie. Numerous investigations indicated the Obama backed rebels used the gas. He is feeding them hundreds of millions of dollars, and that is just what is openly declared. Do you really believed Assad invited international inspectors and the moment they arrived launched a massive gas attach on civilians nearby ? Get real.

    His goal is to destabilise a country next to Israel and find an excuse to launch strikes against key military infrastructure.

    The prick should hang.

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  190. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    “What Billions donated to Israel. ? Again specifics please.”

    Tell me your fucking joking !

    It is no secret. Google it.

    The rich country of Israel is the biggest recipient of US aid in the world. It gets billions. And it gets it as a lump sum each year, not fed out slowly, like others do. On top of that is billions more in military aid.

    And that is just what is openly declared in public budgets. You clearly have no real interest in the topic beyond mindlessly defending jews and a black president, while casting racist smears at those who hold them to account.

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  191. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

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    U.S. Financial Aid To Israel: Figures, Facts, and Impact
    Summary
    Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
    Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

    Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
    $74,157,600,000

    Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
    $9,047,227,200

    Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
    $1,650,000,000

    Grand Total
    $84,854,827,200

    Total Benefits per Israeli
    $14,630

    Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
    Aid to Israel

    Grand Total
    $84,854,827,200

    Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
    $49,936,680,000

    Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
    $134,791,507,200

    Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
    $23,240

    http://www.wrmea.org/congress-and-us-aid-to-israel/494-congress-a-us-aid-to-israel/9748-u-s-financial-aid-to-israel-figures-facts-and-impact.html

    Israel Pushes for Boost in U.S. Aid to More Than $3B a Year

    Read more: http://forward.com/articles/184017/israel-pushes-for-boost-in-us-aid-to-more-than-b/?p=all#ixzz2qvk2xqy5

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  192. stephieboy (3,042 comments) says:

    Google it.?
    The biggest lame cop out for one who can’t and refuses to marshal rational and reasoned argument and debate .
    It will more than 90% likely lead you to most some of the Anti Jewish hate sites like Stormfront, Zionist Crime factory,Resne , Bible believers org etc, etc.
    Which is your pick, favourite.?
    As far as am aware Israel is not the recipient of billions of dollars of hand outs.
    Google it again. ?
    The only account you have is an apparent loathing and detestation of a black President and Jews .!

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  193. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    The Staggering Cost of Israel
    to Americans
    rael has a population of approximately 7.7 million, or a million fewer than the state of New Jersey. It is among the world’s most affluent nations, with a per capita income similar to that of the European Union.[1] Israel’s unemployment rate of 6.3% is much better than America’s 8.2%,[2] and Israel’s net trade, earnings, and payments is ranked 146th in the world while the US sits at a dismal 193rd.[3]

    Yet, Israel receives more of America’s foreign aid budget than any other nation.[4] The US has, in fact, given more aid to Israel than it has to all the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean combined—which have a total population of over a billion people.[5]

    And foreign aid is just one component of the staggering cost of our alliance with Israel.

    Given the tremendous costs, it is critical to examine why we lavish so much aid on Israel, and whether it is worth Americans’ hard-earned tax dollars. But first, let’s take a look at what our alliance with Israel truly costs.

    ….And if, as many experts believe, the US would not have invaded Iraq without intense and sustained pressure from Washington insiders who advocate actively on behalf of Israel,[27] this adds yet another dimension of staggering cost to the equation: “hundreds of billions of dollars, 4,000-plus U.S. and allied fatalities, untold tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths, and many thousands of other US, allied, and Iraqi casualties,” according to retired US foreign service officer Shirl McArthur.[28]

    Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz and Harvard professor Linda Bilmes put the cost of the Iraq War at over $3 trillion, and incalculably more if you take into account the opportunity costs of the resources spent on this unproductive war. For example, higher oil prices due to the war have had a devastating impact on America’s economy, and so have the surging federal debt and the servicing of that debt. Without the war, the 2008 financial crisis almost certainly would not have been as severe, and the Afghanistan war most likely would have been shorter, cheaper, and more effective.[29]

    http://ifamericansknew.org/stats/cost.html

    [note all the references at the end of the linked article. Knock yourself out]

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  194. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    It will more than 90% likely lead you to most of the Anti Jewish hate sites like Stormfront, Zionist Crime factory,Resne , Bible believers org etc, etc.

    Which is your pick, favourite.?As far as ma ware Israel is not the recipient of billions of dollars of hand outs.
    Google it again. ?
    The only account you have is an apparent loathing and detestation of a black President and Jews .!

    And right there is where your credibility goes down the drain. First for lying and secondly for pulling the anti Jewish nazi crap to avoid normal accountability.

    Stormfront my arse…..

    The Jerusalem Post

    US House spending bill includes full $3.1 billion for Israel

    http://www.jpost.com/International/House-spending-bill-includes-full-31-billion-for-Israel-338398

    The Jewish Daily Forward

    Israel Pushes for Boost in U.S. Aid to More Than $3B a Year

    Read more: http://forward.com/articles/184017/israel-pushes-for-boost-in-us-aid-to-more-than-b/?p=all#ixzz2qvnRMKBF

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  195. stephieboy (3,042 comments) says:

    Am sorry again but the myth of Israel dependence on US Foreign Aid is covered here,

    http://stefanmikarlsson.blogspot.co.nz/2014/01/the-myth-of-israeli-dependence-of-us-aid.html
    Here also,

    http://www.danielpipes.org/604/the-36-billion-bargain-strategy-and-politics-in-us

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  196. stephieboy (3,042 comments) says:

    More here again,

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2010/01/12/aid-to-israel-the-story-in-numbers/

    and do note especially ,

    “Bottom line: U.S. aid to Israel has plummeted in the past two decades by nearly every reasonable measure. And anyone who thinks the Israel lobby is bilking American taxpayers out of a false and outdated sentimentality for Israel’s plight is not paying attention to the numbers. That kind of American generosity ended a while ago.”

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  197. Kea (12,818 comments) says:

    So you lied then when you claimed you did not know of any money being given to Israel.

    Glad to hear the Israelis don’t need the money, because millions of poor and desperate Americans do need that money.

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