General Debate 25 January 2014

January 25th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Viking2 (11,686 comments) says:

    So, the poor are going to get all the focus for the election.

    Well i suppose that is better than oil!

    Why can’t we focus on raising achievement and raising our wealth?

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  2. hj (7,186 comments) says:

    Road sign used to be Mt Cook. Then it became Mt Cook (Aoraki). Now we have “moved forward” ( defined by the mob) and it is Aoraki (Cook).

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  3. OneTrack (3,383 comments) says:

    hj – What’s next in the sequence? I think this called maorification. But we aren’t allowed to speak of such things.

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  4. Sofia (860 comments) says:

    It is possible that if the Japanese were ignored, the difficulty they have in moving stocks of whale meat would slowly self destruct.
    The market has problems. Free whale meat in schools apparently fails.
    Now –
    Japan’s whaling mothership has been awarded a halal certificate to prove the whales it takes from the Antarctic Ocean are slaughtered in accordance with Muslim law …
    The Nisshin Maru was certified last year before it headed off to the southern ocean for this season’s controversial hunt, a spokesman for ship owner Kyodo Senpaku, said. “Special inspectors examined the ship when it was docked in Hiroshima last year,” he told AFP. “It was certified officially on November 24.” …
    The company made the move after one of its business partners suggested whale meat be made halal to increase the choice of meat available to Japan’s Islamic community, he said. Muslims are barred by their religion from eating pork.

    Anyone who doesn’t understand how Japanese whaling is ‘scientific research’, doesn’t understand ‘saving face’.
    But fucking ignorant militant environmentalist group Sea Shepherd annually pursues the whaling fleet through the ocean in the hope of disrupting the hunt.
    If Sea Shepherd desisted, Japanese ‘scientific research’ would likely come to some obscure but satisfactory conclusion.

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  5. Viking2 (11,686 comments) says:

    So then what are we going to do, when we can’t swim for whale poo??

    :lol: :lol:

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  6. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    Winston Peters likens his political stamina to Roger Federer (anyone remember the Rebecca Wright pursuit?).

    And claims we have apartheid in New Zealand. And some people will vote for him for that, even though it’s obvious nonsense.

    Winston Peters, apartheid and Roger Federer

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  7. Longknives (4,970 comments) says:

    As predicted Nadal was too good for Federer- Great day for some cricket and a punt on the Wellington Cup today!

    HJ and Onetrack- The thing I find most bizarre about renaming Mt Cook is that Maori didn’t even know it existed (they never ventured that far inland)

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  8. flash2846 (289 comments) says:

    hj (5,371 comments) says:
    January 25th, 2014 at 8:14 am
    Road sign used to be Mt Cook. Then it became Mt Cook (Aoraki). Now we have “moved forward” ( defined by the mob) and it is Aoraki (Cook).

    I am not normally any form of vandal but I happily make exceptions to protest the language Nazis. If we all do it within reason of course we will make a difference.

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  9. Reid (16,748 comments) says:

    If Sea Shepherd desisted, Japanese ‘scientific research’ would likely come to some obscure but satisfactory conclusion.

    I’ve wondered about that too Sofia. I’ve also wondered what they’d do after the whales, and I’m thinking, Fukushima wouldn’t be a bad place to start. Maybe I’ll write them a letter..

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  10. Paulus (2,715 comments) says:

    See that Prince William and family will not be subjected to Maori mumbo jumbo at Ngaruawahia.
    Militant violence was the reason (guess not pakeha, although there would have been some hangers on like all of the mixed race)
    Sad that they will get enough mumbo jumbo during their visit without that indignity.
    Sadly, I can see Liar Brown in his chicken coat greeting them though.

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  11. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Great day for some cricket

    It seems they may have read our minds Longknives and Mills is being benched?

    Some rude friend schedules a BBQ today so I can’t make it to Eden Park….gutted

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  12. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    A very good profile of John Boscawen by Kiwiblog’s favourite journalist Andrea Vance – John Boscawen ready to rebuild ACT

    Something interesting that I didn’t know:

    And if anyone knows Epsom voters, it is Boscawen. He stood in the electorate in 1996, winning a 22 per cent share of the party vote – still a record for ACT.

    The reality of his decision:

    Until a fortnight ago Boscawen was pushing Hide to once again stand as leader, reluctantly offering up himself once Hide, and former president Catherine Isaac, ruled themselves out.

    Boscawen accepts the party has lost credibility, and believes a return to ACT’s core libertarian principles will revive its chances. Fresh blood and new ideas are necessary, but he says the party needs to be guided by someone with parliamentary experience.

    “I rate both Jamie and David [Seymour] very highly…and had I believed their strategy had the best chance of success I would not return to Parliament.”

    If anyone can revive Act it’s Boscawen. And he’s not all hardball business and straight jacket liberalism:

    He recognises inequality as one of the buzzwords of the upcoming campaign. His quandary is how turn the so-called “party of rich pricks” into one that appears to care about the poor.

    I think that’s one of the key quandaries of our election year. Good to see that Boscawen recognises that.

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  13. Manolo (14,186 comments) says:

    Do not mess with the Kenyan: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/2016-obamas-america-filmmaker-indicted-673670

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  14. G152 (422 comments) says:

    Wow. Peters claiming racial discrimination.
    There’s a chink in his honesty

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  15. Manolo (14,186 comments) says:

    His whanau claims he is lovely, honest and hard-working: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9648534/Conmans-trail-of-deception

    It must be colonialism’s fault.

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  16. RF (1,492 comments) says:

    Its interesting to see the Green Party cloths horse .. Turei the Random Trollop…. Strutting around in the most expensive and latest fashions decrying child poverty. It’s the classic don’t do as I do, do as I say. Hypocrite with a capital H.

    Her running mate the Aussie commie is a self serving little git who is shit scared that the German’s proposed internet party will impact on the soap dodger supporters.

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  17. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Labour are not representative of the poor, they are champions for the perverted, lecherous, and deviants of society, it shows in their line-up of trough snouters. The poor in this country are in that position in general, because they were lazy and brought up to a life of self-entitlement by losing left-wing parents.

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  18. Keeping Stock (9,390 comments) says:

    @ nickb – if Mills is being spelled today, that’s a good move. The short straight boundaries at Eden Park would be a magnet for the Indian batsman off Mills on a deck where the ball is coming onto the bat. I would expect Mills to play again at Hamilton on Tuesday where the pitch will be a little slower.

    Big crowd predicted at Eden Park this afternoon; 22,000 tickets pre-sold as at yesterday afternoon.

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  19. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    A bizarre suggestion by John Armstrong – National offering Winston Peters the prime bauble to secure a coalition agreement that lasts full term.

    Armstrong suggests the possibility of Key retiring after two years and giving Winston a year’s stint as Prime Minister – Winston for PM? Don’t bet against it.

    Apart from a number of other flaws in this a major one would almost certainly be what voters would say to National at the following election – NO!

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  20. wiseowl (980 comments) says:

    One Track.Bloody oath we are.
    We must in fact.
    When changing the sign back to Mt Cook change the one in Wellington too.The Museum of New Zealand.

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  21. Keeping Stock (9,390 comments) says:

    @ Pete George – whatever drug Armstrong has been using, I want some! That would have to be the most bizarre suggestion ever, and even Clinton “Hey Clint” Smith has described it as “far-fetched”.

    Personally, I think that offering Peters the role of New Zealand Ambassador to China would be a far better solution.

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  22. iMP (2,457 comments) says:

    So, a Maori woman fakes a degree to get a job teaching Te Reo (depriving others of that work). Then she fakes a second degree to get a promotion. then she fakes cancer, shaves her head and loses weight, because she is too lazy to work but still gets paid on ‘sick leave.”

    Basically she stays home and gets paid. her punishment for these frauds, betrayal and contempt for real cancer sufferers?

    9 months home detention! Basically what she’s doing now. Out justice system is ridiculous.

    She should be sentenced to 5 years full time work for the Cancer Foudation stuffing envelopes.

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  23. Longknives (4,970 comments) says:

    IMP- She worked for the ‘Te Wananga’ pretend University.. the whole damn place is a fraud!

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  24. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Sea Shepherd annually pursues the whaling fleet through the ocean in the hope of disrupting the hunt.

    Beats me why those pirates don’t just go down Farewell Spit and save the hundreds of whale committing Hara-Kiri on the beach !

    They might also want to do something about the Orca which chase down Minkie Whales for days, ripping chunks off them as they go. A cruel death indeed.

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  25. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Mainstream media are still behind the scenes supporting Lecher Len . . . effen disgrace!

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  26. Fletch (6,532 comments) says:

    Do not mess with the Kenyan: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/2016-obamas-america-filmmaker-indicted-673670

    I notice that the Govt is also going after credit rating company Standard & Poor because they downgraded the Government’s credit rating from AAA to AA+. But, as a column points out, that’s the Chicago way – that’s Obama’s way.

    As we noted last year, S&P’s subprime securities ratings were virtually identical to those of Moody’s and Fitch, yet the government singled out S&P for prosecution simply because it was the only one of the big three to pull the trigger on the downgrade.

    The vindictive nature of the government’s lawsuit was confirmed Tuesday when lawyers for McGraw-Hill, S&P’s parent, filed an affidavit from the company’s chairman, Harold McGraw III, stating that on Aug. 8, 2011, mere days after the downgrade, he got a call from Timothy Geithner saying S&P’s deed would not go unpunished.

    “He said that ‘you have done an enormous disservice to yourselves and to your country,’ and that S&P’s conduct would be ‘looked at very carefully,'” McGraw said. “Such behavior could not occur, he said, without a response from the government.”

    The filing to U.S. District Judge David Carter asked for an order that the Justice Department hand over all related documents for its “retaliation defense.”

    S&P maintains the government was initially looking at all three major credit-rating companies and targeted S&P exclusively only after the McGraw-Hill unit downgraded U.S. debt.

    “Only S&P Ratings downgraded the United States and only S&P Ratings has been sued by the United States, even though the S&P ratings challenged by the United States were no different than those of at least one other rating agency,” the court filing states.

    We, too, would like to see those documents. This dwarfs Chris Christie’s “Bridgegate” as a real and dangerous example of political bullying and abuse of power by the Treasury.

    It amounts to a targeting of political enemies, not unlike the targeting of the Tea Party and other conservative groups by the IRS, which is overseen by the Treasury Department.

    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/012314-687419-tim-geithner-threatened-standard-and-poors.htm

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  27. Fletch (6,532 comments) says:

    Obama wants mayors to help him bypass Congress.

    President Obama told a group of mayors at the White House on Thursday that he’s relying on them to help advance his agenda when Congress won’t act.

    “I want to work with Congress whenever and wherever I can. But the one thing I’m emphasizing to all my Cabinet members is we’re not going to wait,” Obama told a group of 250 mayors at the White House. “Where Congress is debating things and hasn’t been able to pull the trigger on stuff, my administration’s going to move forward, and we’re going to … do it in partnership with all of you.”

    “Every day mayors are proving that you don’t have to wait for the gridlock to clear in Congress in order to make things happen,” he said.

    Vice President Joe Biden said mayors are “the one group of elected officials that get things done in large part because you have no option but to get things done.”

    The mayors were in Washington, D.C., for the winter meeting of the U.S. Conference of Mayors. They also attended meetings at the White House with administration officials on Thursday.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/01/obama-wants-mayors-to-help-him-bypass-congress/

    How much bullshit will the U.S take from this president before he is impeached?

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  28. Tauhei Notts (1,688 comments) says:

    I think that Act can paraphrase Andrea Vance’s column for their advertising.
    “John Boscawen is a genuinely good decent person with integrity. These are qualities that you don’t often associate with politicians.”

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  29. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    credit rating from AAA to AA+

    Fletch, a generous rating considering the US economy is beyond bankrupt. It is said if the they taxed Americans 100% they would still have to borrow billions just to stay where they are now !

    If China and Japan wanted their money back, the US would be stuffed. Of course they wont do that, because it would hurt their economies too. However, the sensible thing to do is replace the US dollar as the worlds reserve currency. Iraq, Libya etc tried that but suddenly developed “human rights” issues ! What a coincidence. j

    Any notions of trading oil in something other than US dollars gets you attacked by the US..

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  30. Keeping Stock (9,390 comments) says:

    Nookin, who comments at my blog as well as here has raised some really interesting and important issues about the secret meetings between Russel Norman and Kim Dotcom. Is anyone from the MSM going to dig into this a little deeper, or will they just give the Greens a free pass? And has Kim Dotcom asked the Greens for any favourable consideration should they be a part of the next government.

    The Greens expect transparency from everyone else. Why are they so secretive with regard to their own affairs?

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/01/comment-of-day-25-january-2014.html

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  31. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    A review of Dinesh D’Souza’s Info Commercial 2016: Obama’s America . His central thesis is the usual canard that Obama is is anti patriotic, anti white , anti America etc. its apparently laced with the usual doomsday forebodings of worldwide imminent collapse come 2016 on Obama’s reelection. ( constitutionally impossible , actually ).
    But our resident tea baggers and Obama haters will be disappointed to learn that the mockubentary doesn’t again apparently delve into the Birther myths and lies.,

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/gog/movies/2016-obamas-america,1230760.html

    and,
    http://ivn.us/2012/08/31/fact-check-of-2016-movie-obamas-america-by-dinesh-dsouza/

    Harriet what precisely has Obama done that is impeachable .? This given the fact that is American Citizenship and Birth is beyond question. Can you be impeached because of your race by chance,? ( which is the real reason behind this talk.) Also when will fresh impeachment proceedings be filed .??

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  32. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    stephieboy, I really don’t give a shit what happens to America anymore. They lost my sympathy when they voted in the violent black war lord a second time.

    What sickens me is the way people like you and the media fail to hold Obama to account in the same way as they did Bush. Because he looks more like his dad than his mum. He is the biggest war monger in recent history. I doubt the US had this many military operations going on in WWII. But of course you would not have a clue as you reject anything out of hand that does not make Obama look good.

    Obama can not even care for his people but spends trillions on attacking countries who don’t like Israel and still has enough to gift billions to Israel yearly. That is the cold hard fact.

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  33. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    President Obama, you’re not attacking Syria because of an alleged and unproven Chemical attack, You’re doing so because ISRAEL demands it of you, and once you destroy Syria, Israel will want more blood, next it will be Iran.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/08/26/president-obama-why-have-you-become-a-warmonger-stop-the-madness-attacking-syria-harms-u-s-interests-but-pleases-israel/

    This violent and dangerous man must be stopped or we will soon face a global conflict. America needs a president who serves the interest of America, not Israel. He was bought and paid for with Jewish money. His first act was to spend trillions bailing out Jewish financial institutions and esculating wars against those who are not fond of Israel.

    It is time to cut Israel lose. It is a strong and prosperous country that can look after itself now. It is not a proxy America. It is a Middle Eastern state recently invented based on religious fables. It is owed nothing by the Western world. The only thing Israel should say is : THANKS for all the help.

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  34. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    Kea, now calm down there .
    There is absolutely no evidence that Obama was responsible for the e.g over throw of Gadaffi nor Benghazi.He has not intervened in Syria by invading and occupying the country.Nor was responsible for the installation of Morsi and the Islamic Brotherhood . That claim is an utter lie.!
    Obama has with drawn troops from Iraq and is withdrawing them from Afghanistan .
    Now name me which country Obama and the US has since 2009 invaded and occupied annexing them to the counties imperial domain.? This with evidence of Israeli connivance.?

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  35. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    Veteran’s Today is full of Conspiracy laden woo and BS. For example the largely one man band that makes it up believes the Israelis and Jews were behind 9/11 , that Flights 93 and 175 never landed ,secreting the passengers to to an unknown destination to be murdered, that Flight 77 never hit the Pentagon but overflew it to some mysterious unknown destination, not forgetting the absurd WTC controlled demolition theories etc, etc,

    http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=203795

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  36. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    stephieboy, why are you changing the subject ? I never mentioned Benghazi. But you keep bringing it up.

    Are you again denying Obama’s involvement in Syria ? I wont clutter GB [again] showing what utter bullshit that claim is. Obama admits it himself, but still you deny it. His pleas for war were all over the media. Even his own people did not back him. Traditional allies abandoned the maniac and his cries for more dead Muslims. He said he is commander and chief and can do what he wants !

    President Obama announced on Saturday that he will ask Congress for authorization to launch military strikes against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s military

    http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/08/31/2560331/obama-military-syria-congress/

    Obama Lobbies Reluctant Congress to Support Arming Syrian Rebels

    Despite the White House’s mistaken impression that Obama can arm jihadist Syrian rebels without permission from Congress, media reports indicate that the administration is lobbying lawmakers for a green light after key congressional committees rebuked the president’s deeply unpopular plan to send military aid to opposition forces in Syria.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/15948-obama-lobbies-reluctant-congress-to-support-arming-syrian-rebels

    This violent savage must hang !

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  37. eszett (2,450 comments) says:

    How much bullshit will the U.S take from this president before he is impeached?

    How much bullshit do we have to take from you, Fletch, before you run dry?

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  38. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    stephieboy, predictably you try and discredit the source, because what they say is self evident.

    Don’t you find it offensive that the whole world is in conflict so a handful of Zionist Jews could live out their religious fantasy ? I do. It is fucking absurd. I am not against Jews and – as many Jews themselves have said – the establishment of this biblical fantasy world is to the detriment of Jews.

    You seem way more concerned about promoting your ideology than you do about outcomes for people.

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  39. Rowan (2,611 comments) says:

    Thankyou England for finally knocking over Aussie last night and ensuring that there no1 world ranking was very short lived. I still can’t understand how they are ranked above the saffers in ODI cricket.

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  40. Keeping Stock (9,390 comments) says:

    @ Rowan – if New Zealand beats India this afternoon/evening, will that result in another change at the top of the ODI rankings?

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  41. Chuck Bird (4,915 comments) says:

    “A very good profile of John Boscawen by Kiwiblog’s favourite journalist Andrea Vance”

    @PG. I must say Andrea is much more that just a pretty face. It looks now like the ACT Board might reject Boscawen’s generous offer to stand for Epson and as leader. See ipredict.

    This is one of the reasons that I left ACT. The new board seems dumber than the previous boards stacked with impractical ideologues.

    They will quite likely get one member in with John Key giving a very clear message to Epsom. However, the percentage of the vote will unlikely get a second MP in.

    A National government could include ACT, the Consecutive Party, the Maori Party with one or two MPs and NZF with the most MPs of any major party. The Maori Party is possible but not likely if NZF gets in and goes with National. I think John Key is able to work with any of them. Who in ACT is most likely to be able to work with any of them Jamie Whyte or John Boscawen and Kenneth Wang?

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  42. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    No Kea I’m for challengingyour idiotic and moronic claims that posits Israeli Zionists orchestrating , manipulating and controlling World International politics and affairs.
    All I ask for are evidence and facts which you consistently fail to provide e.g Obama and the US extending by conquest their Imperial domain. Naturally you provide none because there is none . Instead you resort to linking to half baked websites and blogs run by one man bands like Veteran’s Today.
    Again documented evidence that Obama was responsible for the installation of Morsi and the Islamic Brotherhood.? There are equally many who claim Obama was to blame his overthrow. Which one is it.?

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  43. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    I’m for challengingyour idiotic and moronic claims that posits Israeli Zionists orchestrating , manipulating and controlling World International politics and affairs.

    No I made no such claim and nor do I think that.

    I merely remarked on the well accepted influence of the Jewish lobby in American politics.

    I have provided ample evidence to support my claims. They were all msm and from ISRAELI news sources. You are not debating in good faith and you know you are attempting to mislead people. You continually try to create strawmen by attributing extreme views to me I neither hold or expressed. In short… you know your lying.

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  44. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Here is some more of stephieboys ” idiotic and moronic claims ”

    Pro-Israel lobby facing uphill climb to muster Syria strike support

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Of all the interests backing President Barack Obama’s call for Congress to authorize military strikes on Syria, perhaps none is more concerned about the prospect of a “no” vote than America’s pro-Israel lobby, which is finding it difficult to overcome widespread opposition to the use of force

    Read more: Pro-Israel lobby facing uphill climb to muster Syria strike support

    | The Times of Israel> http://www.timesofisrael.com/pro-israel-lobby-facing-uphill-climb-to-muster-syria-strike-support/#ixzz2rMggQ0ur
    Follow us: @timesofisrael on Twitter | timesofisrael on Facebook

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  45. Fletch (6,532 comments) says:

    Harriet what precisely has Obama done that is impeachable .?

    Using the IRS as a political weapon against his opponents, for one. That is partly what got Nixon impeached, and Obama has done far worse. Also, ignoring the constitution and passing law by executive fiat. He has changed ObamaCare a half dozen times or more because this wasn’t working, or that wasn’t working. He changed it so members of COngress wouldn’t have to sign up – one law for them, and one for other Americans. He is not supposed to be able to change law without amending the law through congress.

    Then there are the laws that he ignores and just says he won’t enforce, like the immigration law and DOMA.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/23/obama-doma-unconstitutional_n_827134.html

    Here’s a whole list –

    http://alineofsight.com/blogs/lawless-in-the-white-house

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  46. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Vance of Fairfax infamy has as much right in this country as her mate Dotcom. She should get back to GB and he to US.

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  47. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Forget impeaching the prick !

    He should be tried for war crimes and hung.

    I also consider he has committed treason by serving Israels interests to the detriment of Americas, but that is not worth pursuing. He has waged illegal wars all over Africa, Middle East and Central Asia. Saddam was hung for far less.

    Most of you have no idea what this violent savage has been doing, because the media here won’t report it. And he got the Nobel Peace Prize ! FFS.

    The War On Terror Spreads to Africa: U.S. Sending Troops to 35 African Nations

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/01/the-war-on-terror-spreads-to-africa-u-s-sending-troops-to-35-african-nations.html

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  48. Fletch (6,532 comments) says:

    ps, as I have pointed out recently, Obama is doubling down and plans to weaponize the IRS to totally shut up conservative groups during election year, while the Unions get a pass.

    In an explosive [2013] scandal that continues to grow, the Obama IRS was caught — smoking gun in hand — intentionally targeting conservative and Christian organizations and individuals for harassment, intimidation and, ultimately, for political destruction.

    …Not only has Obama faced zero accountability for these arguably impeachable offenses, he has since doubled down. With jaw-dropping gall, his administration has now moved to officially weaponize the IRS against conservatives once and for all.

    …Specifically, here’s what the proposed regulations would do to conservative groups and their leaders:

    Prohibit using words like “oppose,” “vote,” “support,” “defeat,” and “reject.”

    Prohibit mentioning, on its website or on any communication (email, letter, etc.) that would reach 500 people or more, the name of a candidate for office, 30 days before a primary election and 60 days before a general election.

    Prohibit mentioning the name of a political party, 30 days before a primary election and 60 days before a general election, if that party has a candidate running for office.

    Prohibit voter registration drives or conducting a non-partisan “get-out-the-vote drive.”

    Prohibit creating or distributing voter guides outlining how incumbents voted on particular bills.

    Prohibit hosting candidates for office at any event, including debates and charitable fundraisers, 30 days before a primary election or 60 days before the general election, if the candidate is part of the event’s program.

    Restrict employees of such organizations from volunteering for campaigns.

    Prohibit distributing any materials prepared on behalf a candidate for office.

    Restrict the ability of officers and leaders of such organizations to publicly speak about incumbents, legislation, and/or voting records.

    Restrict the ability of officers and leaders of such organizations to make public statements regarding the nomination of judges.

    Create a 90-day blackout period, on an election year, that restricts the speech of 501(c)(4) organizations.

    Declare political activity as contrary to the promotion of social welfare.

    Protect labor unions and trade associations by exempting them from the proposed regulations.

    http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/obama-moves-to-weaponize-irs/

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304603704579324783339931114?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304603704579324783339931114.html

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  49. Fletch (6,532 comments) says:

    Going off to work now. No more responses today :)

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  50. LabourDoesntWork (292 comments) says:

    So, the poor are going to get all the focus for the election.

    The issue should be thrown back in the face of the bipartisan ruling class by any truly right-wing party (if there is one), given that welfarism has prevailed for decades. Evidence suggests that it doesn’t lift people out of poverty, rather our government has been subsidising economic and social failure for as long as the welfare state has been in existence. With zero economic mobility for anyone who finds themselves below the poverty line, the result is a permanent underclass of dependents.

    The food-fighters that dominate in our politics, playing the same tune and tone-deaf to reality, need to be asked: why they’re pretending they haven’t already had their way, with billions upon billions upon billions of dollars already redistributed? Why don’t they investigate the results of their policies instead of parading the “good intentions” behind them?

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  51. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    The America we once loved is gone and exists only in our minds. They lost their way long ago and that once proud nation is in decline. The tipping point is past and they will not bounce back or recover.

    We should remain friends with them, but we need to look for some new allies. America has fallen and it wont be much longer before they can not keep up appearances.

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  52. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Gee. Who’d have guessed. Fletch is a bus driver on the 2.00pm shift! :)

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  53. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    I still prefer Ribs to Sweet and Sour Kea! :)

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  54. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Johnboy, you sheep shagging redneck. Chinese do the best ribs. Sweet and Sour is an abomination of the round eyed Gwai Lo :)

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  55. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Fuck. Dumb bastards like me learn something everyday!

    http://allrecipes.com/recipe/texas-pork-ribs/

    I never realised Texas was a suburb of Shanghai till now! :)

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  56. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Johnboy you ignorant hick. Try this :)

    Sticky hoisin pork ribs

    http://www.taste.com.au/recipes/27428/sticky+hoisin+pork+ribs

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  57. publicwatchdog (3,162 comments) says:

    FYI Kiwibloggers!

    24 January 2014 (Sent 3.57pm)

    ‘Open Letter’ – Application for ‘speaking rights’ at the Auckland Council Governing Body meeting to be held on Thursday 30 January 2014, 9.30am Auckland Town Hall.

    Dear Elaine,

    My subject matter will briefly cover:

    WHY WAS ‘DUE PROCESS’ AS OUTLINED IN THE AUCKLAND COUNCIL ‘CODE OF CONDUCT’ (s8 ‘COMPLIANCE’) NOT FOLLOWED?

    Given that Section 8 of the Auckland Council ‘Code of Conduct’, clearly outlines the process to be followed when there are allegations of ‘statutory’ (or ‘non-statutory’ breaches) thereof – why wasn’t it?

    Why was an independent ‘Conduct Review Independent Panel’ not constituted by the Auckland Council Governing Body, based upon their selection of suitably qualified persons, ‘with appropriate skills and knowledge, recommended by the Chief Executive’?

    “8.5. Conduct Review Independent Panel

    The governing body shall constitute a Conduct Review Independent Panel. The members of the Panel will be selected from a list of persons with appropriate skills and knowledge, to be recommended by the Chief Executive. …. ”

    Upon what lawful basis did the (former) CEO, Doug McKay, chose NOT to follow this ‘due process’, but effectively made up his own process and arguably ‘picked his own people’ – Ernst and Young?

    http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/SiteCollectionDocuments/aboutcouncil/governingbody/codeofconductelectedmembers.pdf

    8. Compliance

    8.1. Compliance required

    Elected members must comply with the provisions of this Code of Conduct. Members are also bound by the Local Government Act 2002, the Local Authorities (Members’ Interests) Act 1968, the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987, the Secret Commissions Act 1910, the Crimes Act 1961 and the Securities Act 1978.

    The Chief Executive will ensure that an explanation of these Acts is provided at the first meeting after each triennial election and that copies of these Acts are freely available to elected members.

    Short explanations of the obligations that each of these Acts has with respect to conduct of elected members are attached as Appendix 2 to this Code.

    8.2. Lodging of Code of Conduct Complaints
    All complaints must be addressed to the Chief Executive
    1
    1 Or his or her nominee (refer 1 “Interpretation”).

    Any allegation of a breach of the Code must relate to Section 7 of the Code, be in writing, make a specific allegation of a breach of the Code and provide corroborating evidence.
    Complaints alleging a breach of the Code of Conduct may be made by any elected member or by the Chief Executive acting on behalf of staff or on behalf of a complaint from a CCO conveyed through that CCOs chief executive.

    The Chief Executive may determine whether a complaint from a member of the public concerning an elected member constitutes a question of breach of the Code of Conduct. In making this determination, the Chief Executive may consult a convenor of the Independent Conduct Review Panel. The Chief Executive may determine jointly with a convenor of the Independent Review Panel to dismiss or terminate a complaint from a member of the public on grounds which may include that the complaint is frivolous, vexatious or has been adequately resolved.

    8.3. Preliminary Steps

    The Chief Executive may request from the complainant further information/ evidence in support of the complaint and, if considered appropriate, may also request a preliminary statement in response from the elected member against whom the complaint is lodged.

    8.4. Referral of Complaints

    A complaint concerning a member of the Governing Body or a local board will be lodged with the Chief Executive who will advise the complainant in regard to options available for resolving the complaint. Where the facts are clear and the breach is a first offence, an initial option may be a letter to the member from the Chief Executive advising that a complaint has been received.

    The member should inform the Chief Executive of the action they have taken or propose to take in response to the complaint. The Chief Executive or the member shall inform the complainant of the action taken in response. Where alternative options do not, or are not capable of, resolving the complaint, the complaint will be referred to a convenor of the Conduct Review Independent Panel who will assign the complaint to a panel member or convenor. The panel member or convenor will endeavour to resolve issues by mediating between the parties or refer the matter to the Conduct Review Independent Panel for full investigation and recommendation to the Governing Body or local board as the case may be.

    8.5. Conduct Review Independent Panel

    The governing body shall constitute a Conduct Review Independent Panel. The members of the Panel will be selected from a list of persons with appropriate skills and knowledge, to be recommended by the Chief Executive. The Independent Panel is not a Committee of the governing body and its sole function is to investigate those matters referred to it and to make recommendations on those matters to the governing body/local board. Up to three members on the list will be deemed to be ‘convenors’ who will be the Council’s primary contact in relation to convening a panel when required. ‘Convening’ a panel includes chairing that panel. A convenor may appoint other convenors to a panel.

    8.6. Procedures of the Conduct Review Independent Panel

    The Independent Panel will establish and notify standard procedures, fair to both complainants and respondents, which it will apply to the investigation and consideration of all complaints referred to it.

    8.7. Governing Body/Local Board Consideration

    In considering the Panel’s recommendation, the matter shall be considered with neither the complainant nor the respondent being entitled to participate in that item.

    8.8. Responses to Breaches of the Code

    To avoid doubt, a breach of the Code of Conduct does not constitute an offence under the Local Government Act 2002. The exact nature of the action the governing body/local board may take depends on the nature of the breach and whether there are statutory provisions dealing with the breach.

    Where there are statutory provisions:

    breaches relating to members’ interests may render members liable for prosecution by the Auditor-General under the Local Authority (Members’ Interests) Act 1968;breaches which result in the Council suffering financial loss or damage may be reported on by the Auditor-General under the Local Government Act 2002, which may result in the member having to make good the loss or damage;breaches relating to the commission of a criminal offence may leave the elected member liable for criminal prosecution.

    In these cases the governing body or local board may refer an issue to the relevant body, any member of the public may make a complaint to that body, or the Auditor-General or Police may take action of their own initiative.

    Where there are no statutory provisions, the governing body or local board may take the following action:

    censure;
    removal of the elected member from representative type bodies;
    dismissal of the elected member from a position as Chair or Deputy Chair of a committee.
    A decision to apply one or more of these actions requires a resolution to that effect.
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Penny Bright
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    (Reply received 4.06pm 24 January 2014)

    Dear Penny

    Confirming that I have received your request to speak in public input at the 30 January 2013 Governing Body meeting on the issues outlined in your email below.

    I will progress this and respond further on Tuesday to advise you on the outcome of your request.

    Regards
    Elaine Stephenson | Democracy Advisor |
    Governance Support I Democracy Services
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Will Mayor Len Brown, as Chair of the Auckland Council Governing Body, grant me speaking rights?

    Upon what lawful basis can he try to decline this application?

    The Auckland Council Governing Body meeting, to be held Thursday, 30 January 2014 at 9.30am, at the Auckland Town Hall, should be FASCINATING……..

    Penny Bright

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  58. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    First again!! :)

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  59. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Penny, go and get laid girl.

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  60. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Have you given her your address Kea?

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  61. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    I can see the headlines now: “Rare native Parrot severely mauled by Dog” :)

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  62. hj (7,186 comments) says:

    @ Pete George. Your little party UF is like those fish that hang on to a shark. I think they are called cling fish.

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  63. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Johnboy, Arthurs Pass car park.

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  64. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Everybody passes on Penny’s resort area Kea!!! :)

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  65. wiseowl (980 comments) says:

    Hey Chuckbird ,who ‘s in the Consecutive Party?

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  66. Manolo (14,186 comments) says:

    Inequality and…the (useless) Pope:
    http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-pope-francis-20140122,0,3908066.story#axzz2rLlwCpZE

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  67. Manolo (14,186 comments) says:

    @Johnboy: Have you made the change to Belvedere? Leave gin, embrace vodka!

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  68. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Forget impeaching the prick !

    He should be tried for war crimes and hung.

    I think the word you are looking for is “hanged”.

    Word is he is “hung” like a bull moose.

    Probably explains why his wife wears that shit-eating grin all the time.

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  69. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Manolo, vodka and soda water with a dash of lemon. Best drink in the world. Had a few too many last night though ! :)

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  70. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    Why does Fletch call someone born in Hawaii to an American mother, a Kenyan?

    Why does a New Zealander buy into American right wing terms to de-legitimise a political opponent as un-American? And by the way Nixon’s career began on the House Un-American Activities Committee – where rhetoric painting the left as un-American was developed.

    And why does a New Zealand Catholic buy into American Republican Party attitudes to Hispanic migrants – calling for Obama to enforce immigration law – in what ways, ways not enforced by his predecessor, who also sought immigration reform?

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  71. nasska (12,111 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson

    Going by the way the wretched woman has her face twisted into a scowl 99% of the time I would rather think that the Great Leader is “hung” like a panda bear.

    Ref: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_an_average_panda_bears_penis_size?#slide=2

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  72. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Why does a New Zealander buy into American right wing terms to de-legitimise a political opponent as un-American?

    For the same reason the Lefties call Tea Party supporters by the vulgar term “Tea Baggers”.  He is on the other side, that makes him fair game.

    Did you not read left wing blog sites during the Bush 43 years?  They said much, much worse about him than has ever been said about Obama.

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  73. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Why does Fletch call someone born in Hawaii to an American mother, a Kenyan?

    SPC , maybe it is a race thing. Of course the biggest racists are Obama supporters. Obama supporters back him on the basis of skin colour and rather a lot was made about his skin colour by his campaign for office. He got a Nobel Prize for being black ! However when skin colour is raised by people who do not support him they cry Racist !.

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  74. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Did you not read left wing blog sites during the Bush 43 years? They said much, much worse about him than has ever been said about Obama.

    Yes what ever happened to those pictures comparing a shot of the president with one of a chimp ?

    They seemed to suddenly go out of fashion.

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  75. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    Penny

    When you have paid your bloody rates then you can speak.

    Until then you remain a low life bludger who (in true left wing fashion) thinks it is perfectly acceptable to have other rates payers pick up the tab for a parasite such as yourself.

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  76. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    F E Smith, it is just unusual in the sense that the WASP values of the Republican Party are of the heritage that they are. The animosity to the blacks in the south, the Catholic migrants in the north and now the Hispanics being mouthed by a New Zealander seems out of the ordinary. Sure he is a fellow right wing Christian conservative, but a Catholic in step with the John Birch society of the south seems bizarre.

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  77. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    Kea, the term Kenyan is not about skin colour, it is of an attempt to call the President Un-American – the term has McCarthyism connotations – as to removing the left from government. It is of the Cold War era when the left were posed as working for the Communist Internationale and not fellow Americans.

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  78. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    SPC,

    do you know your history? The US political party that has always had the most animosity to Blacks in the South has been the Democrats. Don’t forget that the Republicans were founded as an anti-slavery party, opposing the pro-slavery Democrats. Even the US Civil Rights Acts of the 1960s were opposed by the Democrats, being pushed through by an odd coalition of LBJ and the Republicans.

    Moreover, the Republicans have no issue with Hispanics. They have an issue with illegal immigration, but that is a different matter. Oddly enough, the Democrats support of comprehensive immigration reform has been estimated by, from memory, the Congressional Budget Office to have a potential result in 30 million extra immigrants from Latin America in the next 20 odd years, and the people who will be most hurt by that will be poor African-Americans.

    And the John Birch Society is from Massachussets (although founded in Indiana), although now headquarted in Wisconsin. None of those states are in the South.

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  79. Reid (16,748 comments) says:

    Why does Fletch call someone born in Hawaii to an American mother, a Kenyan?

    Yes I agree. Everyone knows he’s Indonesian.

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  80. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    the term Kenyan is not about skin colour, it is of an attempt to call the President Un-American

    Hmm, like the same way that Democrats tried to argue that McCain was from Panama and therefore ineligible for the Presidency?

    Anyway, he is half Kenyan, and that is a large part of his heritage.

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  81. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    F E Smith.

    Of course you are right about historical links between the Blacks and the Republicans. I think it was really only around the time of JFK that blacks started looking to the left for their civil rights.

    Mind you, we need to be honest here, the republican movement of those times is unrecognisable from the splintered republican movement of today.

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  82. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Personally I think anyone voted in democratically should be able to hold office. Even if they are a black secret Muslim/Jew/Devil worshiper. Obama’s real wrongs lay with his actions, not his place of birth.

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  83. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    This sort of thing must really rile silent T…he will never have the genuine common touch that JK has and I bet it gets right up his left wing arse…

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8789183/pm-takes-stage-at-music-festival

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  84. Nookin (3,576 comments) says:

    Brendan — time to go.

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  85. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    As a good ole boy! Ah think the current Presidency has done a lot to raise the appreciation of Southern Gent’s for a fine black filly! :)

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=hot+michelle+obama&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=7zDjUqX-EcnnkgWTk4G4DQ&ved=0CCwQsAQ&biw=1512&bih=885

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  86. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    Johnboy , Yeah I would tap that. Sarah Palin too, just to prove I am not bias :)

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  87. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    Kea, as to place of birth, add where one’s holiday home is.

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  88. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

     Hey Bruv,

    I think it was really only around the time of JFK that blacks started looking to the left for their civil rights.

    The South was strongly Democrat right through that era, and into the 70s, so any percieved turn towards the left for their civil rights I think is mostly illusory.  I don’t think that JFK (who I do not rate as a good President) was as strongly supportive of civil rights for Blacks as LBJ was, but then LBJ was in a minority in his party.  The Democratic Party have shown themselves to be very good at consistently getting on the wrong side of history. 

    I do think that the current Republican reputation is very much the result of a snow job by the Left, supported by the strongly Democrat-identifying MSM (90%, I think).

    EDIT: I do agree that the Republicans are splintered today. But I think that is because too many of them believe what they read in the newspapers!! When the papers are written by supporters of your opponents, you need to take them with a bucket of salt.

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  89. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    SPC, Americans should be focusing on who the next president will be. I hope it will be someone who will bring the troops back home and let the rest of world sort its own problems out. The Cold War ended with freemarket capitalism and trade. Not war. It will work with the Muslim world too.

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  90. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    F E Smith, as big bruv noted there has been a transformation of the Republican Party, the old South and the John Birch society that arose in the WASP world further north are now of one political stream within the party.

    The Republican Party now has an anti-federal government tinge (best expressed when a Democrat is President). Christian conservatism connected to libertarian sentiment and the Tea Party attempt to obstruct funding of government (to force small government).

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  91. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    F E Smith,

    1. Kenyan is not a race, it is a nationality in Africa.
    2. The marriage of a pregnant women to a man does not prove paternity.

    The original claim against Obama came from Bill’s Mrs, she claimed he lacked two American parents, however this is not required if one is born in the USA and has an American parent. If one was born in Panama, one needed two American born parents.

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  92. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    there has been a transformation of the Republican Party, the old South and the John Birch society that arose in the WASP world further north are now of one political stream within the party.

    Right, so you were being allegorical rather than factual, were you? Not that I agree with you.

    The Republican Party now has an anti-federal government tinge

    And often has had in the past.  That is nothing new in US politics and goes back to the political debates preceeding the Constitution.

    (best expressed when a Democrat is President).

    Like how the Nats criticise Labour when not in government?  Or do you think that the ruling party should be given a free ride (so long as they aren’t Republican, National, Conservative, or Coalition)?

    Christian conservatism connected to libertarian sentiment and the Tea Party attempt to obstruct funding of government (to force small government).

    Again, how is that a problem?  Members of Congress were elected on that platform, but you appear to be criticising them for adhering to that platform?

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  93. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Kenyan is not a race, it is a nationality in Africa

    No! Really?  My goodness, I had no idea!!!  So I shouldn’t call Kevin Rudd an Australian, then?  Well, that changes everything!!!

    The marriage of a pregnant women to a man does not prove paternity.

    Well, I am learning a ton of new stuff today, I tell you!!!

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  94. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    F E Smith, I was just explaining how the religious element of the Old Christian South – weariness of imposed rule by federal government (fear of the northern majority) and the northern WASP equivalent (WASP element of the US society in demographic decline) have coalesced in fear of the democratic majority.

    They are now in lockstep with libertarians – seeing government as socialist, thus an alliance with libertarians who seek small government.

    Unlike big bruv, I see more unity to the Republican position, it just now includes the Old (Democrat) South in bed with the John Birch society.

    An ideological conviction against big government is easier when in opposition, than when in government. Republican rhetoric against government tones down when they have an incumbent.

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  95. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    how the religious element of the Old Christian South – weariness of imposed rule by federal government (fear of the northern majority) and the northern WASP equivalent (WASP element of the US society in demographic decline) have coalesced in fear of the democratic majority.

    A viewpoint that I disagree with.  I would point out that in many ways it is the left wing social programme of the Democrats that has alienated many Southerners, rather than the Republicans becoming any more attractive.  Oddly, many African-Americans still vote Democrat even though that party has been consistently against most reforms that would benefit Blacks.  

    I see more unity to the Republican position, it just now includes the Old (Democrat) South in bed with the John Birch society.

    So what you are wanting to say is that Republicans are raaaciiist!!!  Yeah, nice one.  Wrong, but nice try.  Next you will be telling me that the Koch brothers are evil, and that the the right outspends the left at elections.

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  96. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    By the way, they don’t see government as socialist. That is a purely left wing characterisation of Tea Party views. They see the concept of Big Government, as lauded by people like Obama, as socialist. There is a difference, a very real one that doesn’t appear to matter to people on the left who just want to misrepresent what the various Republican groups stand for.

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  97. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Interestingly, if you look at State elections rather than Presidential ones, the Republicans only really began to have consistent success in the South beginning in the early to mid 1990s.

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  98. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    F E Smith, the demographics of voting behaviour in the USA are what they are. And fear of them is an issue within the Republican Party, not the Democrat Party.

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  99. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    And fear of them is an issue within the Republican Party, not the Democrat Party.

    You keep telling yourself that, if it helps.  Still wrong, mind you. 

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  100. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    F E Smith, so you think the debate about the consequences of changing demographics in the USA for the Republican Party is just a USA media invention and no Republican Party insiders, strategists etc take it seriously? Really?

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  101. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    you think the debate about the consequences of changing demographics in the USA for the Republican Party is just a USA media invention and no Republican Party insiders, strategists etc take it seriously? Really?

    I didn’t say that.  Go back and read what I have said and nowhere will you see me say that.

    What else do you want to make up?

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  102. Komata (1,224 comments) says:

    Kea

    Although I agree that ‘bringing the boys home’ is a great idea, the sad reality is that it won’t be happening anytime soon. Unfortunately, in international politics as they currently stand, the US is in a no-win situation. It sees itself as being the ‘guardian of democracy’ (American democracy, that is), and (without sounding too old-fashioned) that, with the decline of the former British and French empires it is the only ‘Western’ nation that act as a bastion against the (‘undefined) enroaching hordes which threaten to overrun ‘the West’. Note that these ‘hordes’ are not named BTW. The reason for that ‘omission’ is that in reality (as is being repeatedly evident in events around the globe) the US dare not do anything so ‘dangerous’ as stating that the threat is militant ISLAM, because it simply could not cope with the consequences. The US is as a result, in the position of being ‘all hat and no horse’. and is essentially an ‘illusion, and, unfortunately a facade. In simple terms, despite the ‘military might’ evident in various areas of the globe. it is essentially powerless. This is not of course a good situation and is ‘not for public consumption’ at home, where the carefully-nurtured image of American invincibility’ still resonates with voters who are still prepared to ‘sacrifice their boys’ in the firmly and passionately-held belief that the US is the ‘guardian of democracy’.

    As a result of all this, on the all-important ‘International stage’, the USA’s current political administration is now in the unfortunate position ‘loosing’ no matter what it does.

    If it decamps from its ‘Middle Eastern’ excursions, it looses in several areas, most importantly in the matter of ‘face’. Once again, as happened in Vietnam, it will have ‘run away’ (aka ‘Lost’) from a conflict, and the international impact will be huge.

    It will also be (correctly) seen as being ‘weak’ and we all know what happens to the strong man who is seen as being weak; his emboldened enemies close in for the kill. Such would probably be the result should a withdrawal occur. However, a complication in that specific scenario is that Militant ISLAM will also will also be emboldened, and waste no time in taking its ‘revenge’ against the ‘infidel’ and ‘Great Satan’.

    There is also the small matter of ‘reliability’. Unfortunately the US is not renowned for keeping to its treaty-commitments and anything that said to ‘overseas’ hearers will always founder on the rocky-shores of American domestic politics, with national ‘political expediency’ always trumping international obligations. Sadly, this means that in the ‘Middle Eastern’ areas, any local ruler (Khazi in Afghanistan for example’) which have hither-to relied upon American support for their existence, will now be very aware that, once the US goes, they will be too – except that in such areas being ‘gone’ can be frequently long and painful, and extremely barbaric. In Khazi’s (Afghanistan’s) case, the Taliban will return, revenge will be taken (brutally and deliberately BTW) and an ‘Islamic curtain’ will descend. That unfortunate nation will then revert to the Middle Ages (and no, I won’t go there in this instance). As a result of this (and other ‘withdrawals) the US would (once again) be seen as being ‘unreliable’ – especially by those who have hitherto relied upon various treaties and agreements for their protection, and planned accordingly.

    These are the he international repercussions, should the US ‘withdraw’. I mentioned ‘face’ before. The discovery that their beloved ‘good ol’ USA’ was in fact a weak and ineffective state, and that they had been the victims of an illusion and that their image of the was totally incorrect, the reaction of the US public is unlikely to be pleasant, and inevitably this could have ‘interesting’ repercussions’, not all of them pleasant…. However, that is also ‘outside’ this response, so, again, i won’t go there…)

    And finally, there is the matter of China (aka the ‘Banker’ to the entire United States of America!!) So far, by choice, Beijing has done nothing, content to retain the status quo because it is the Chinese way; to wait, to wait, then, to wait again. However, this cannot last, and it will require only a small ‘tweak’ to bring the entire US down – and (possibly) to heal; to come under Beijing’s sauverinity. This will also be something about which the US will be very aware – as will be the knowledge that it is a matter of WHEN it will happen, rather than ‘IF” If China ‘tweaks, it is likely that the entire ‘house of cards’ that is the American international image, will come crashing down and the scenario’s I have detailed-above will start to play-out.

    No, far better to retain the status quo, (and not ‘bring the boys home’)

    for as long as the illusion can be maintained, because when the mirror finally cracks there will indeed be ‘much wailing an gnashing of teeth…’

    To use the immortal words of one Greenslade, W., ‘It’s all in the mind, you know…’

    We live in interesting times…….

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  103. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    F E Smith, so what you are wanting to say is that despite the changing demographics being to the Democrat Party’s advantage there is no fear of this in the Republican party – coz there are always lawyers who can restrict access to the voting booth for the poor.

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  104. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    coz there are always lawyers who can restrict access to the voting booth for the poor.

    How so SPC? I’m sure you couldn’t possibly be referring to the Republican’s insistence that only those legally eligible to vote be permitted to do so. After all, that would be tantamount to accusing the Democrats of not respecting the rule of law, but, in fact, looking to subvert it. And in an area where it is in their interests.

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  105. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    coz there are always lawyers who can restrict access to the voting booth for the poor.

    My goodness, you are taking this from a left wing playbook! Anything else you want to throw in?

    All that, and you are still wrong. 

    This comment brought to you by the letter ‘L’ and the phrase ‘Tammany Hall’…

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  106. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    bhudson, SPC has trouble with facts, so don’t be too hard on him/her!

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  107. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    F E Smith up to his old tricks again.

    “If I did say that, thats not what I meant.”
    “Show me where I said that.”
    “Nowhere did I say that.”
    “So, what you are trying to say is……..blah, blah…”
    “This comment bought to you by a superior knowall.”

    FFS

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  108. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Hey beryl, how’s life? Still commenting whilst drunk?

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  109. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    bhudson, F E Smith has been unable or unwilling to say why there is no fear in the Republican Party of demographic change in the USA. I raised one possible rationale for why he claims there is no such concern.

    The right to vote, or the legitimacy of the vote is one factor, but the practice of requiring a drivers licence as the inner city poor do not afford or need this transport is one means. Another is closing down places in inner city areas where these licences are issued.

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  110. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    the practice of requiring a drivers licence as the inner city poor do not afford or need this transport is one means.

    At the Federal level, the ID requirement is for new voters who mailed their registration in. It doesn’t have to be a driver’s license – they can use the last 4 digits of their Social Security number. (Which, of course, an eligible voter would have. And that a poor voter would most certainly want.)

    [And at the State level – there are 30 States that have voter ID laws – the State is required to provide that ID at no cost.]

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  111. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    I raised one possible rationale for why he claims there is no such concern.

    No you didn’t.  You suggested that I was saying something that I wasn’t.  You had no reference for it, mind, just plain old misrepresentation. Go back and read what I said and you will see why you are wrong.

    The right to vote, or the legitimacy of the vote is one factor, but the practice of requiring a drivers licence as the inner city poor do not afford or need this transport is one means.

    Of course, not all voter ID laws require a driver’s licence.  But don’t let facts get in the way of your political points now, ok?  Tell me, are you a believer in the old Labour slogan “Vote early and vote often”?

    EDIT:

    In South Carolina, Gov. Nikki Haley (R) enacted a law requiring government-issued IDs at the polls, and supplied voters with free IDs and carpools to state DMVs

    How evil of her!!!

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  112. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Democratic controlled Federal Government good, Republican controlled State Government bad!!! (Yes, I know Rhode Island is Democratic, but why ruin a good slogan?)

    Corporates spending money on elections bad, Unions spending money on elections good!!!

    And so on…

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  113. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Vote early vote often?

    Sinn Fein ,surely.The armalite in one hand and the ballot paper in the other.

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  114. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    What I find interesting is how over the years the far right in the U S has since the event of the Tea Party has entered mainstream politics capturing parts of the Republican party. This has coincided with the rise of Conspiracy theories as best exemplified in the 9/11 Truth movement but more especially the election of the first Black President.This in turn has given rise to Birthers , Libertarians , Survivalists , State rightists , far right bloggers etc. I would like to include also revisionist theories about Slavery, Lincoln and the civil war. Not only conspiracy theories abound but a general persuasive paranoia that accompanies it, with dark discussion about e.g FEMA gulags or concentration camps and economic and social doomsday.
    Richard Hofstadter , an American Historian wrote about this kind of trend many years ago in a famous book and essay called ” The Paranoid Style in American Politics .” He examined and analyzed similar processes and trends by the then American Far Right with its paranoid vision of a conspiracy of big government and the big international communist conspiracy as per Joe Mc Carthy , the John Birch society etc. At the time of his writing it was somewhat less persuasive than today but rising.
    I would like to add the rise of economic stress needs to factored in and wonder if the US was able to achieve the kind of prosperity the country experienced when Hofstadter wrote ( Mmd fifties and sixties ) if these far right fringe elements would evaporate and become as in his time just that, fringe elements on the margins of society
    The major unifying theme for the far right both here and on this thread is a persuasive hatred of a black president at the helm which in turn reflects a fundamental change in electoral demographics as witnessed in the 14/11/ 2013.A fact the far right cannot and will not come to terms with..

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  115. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Kowtow, I am baiting debating SPC, ok? No time to argue Irish history.

    Anyway, my liking of Sinn Fein ends with formation of Cumann na nGaedheal. It went all hard left after that.

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  116. Scott Chris (6,178 comments) says:

    An ideological conviction against big government is easier when in opposition, than when in government. Republican rhetoric against government tones down when they have an incumbent.

    Quite. Did the US government get any smaller under Bush? Or Reagan for that matter?

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  117. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    To paraphrase stephieboy: you are all raaaaciiiisssst!!!!! (Boy the left do like that one, don’t they?)

    No, stephie, we just disagree with his politics. The colour of his skin is, and should always be, irrelevant. Of course, had Hilary won then you would have said any opposition to her was misogynist (like they did with Gillard in Aus).

    Identity politics, the last refuge of the scoundrel left.

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  118. Scott Chris (6,178 comments) says:

    No! Really? My goodness, I had no idea!!! So I shouldn’t call Kevin Rudd an Australian, then?

    That comparison makes no sense. Obama’s father is Kenyan. Obama is American. Kevin Rudd is Australian.

    Simple really.

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  119. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Did the US government get any smaller under Bush? Or Reagan for that matter?

    Now that is an interesting point.  I view Bush 43 as a big-government conservative, something that I am not a fan of at all.  It would be a mistake to think that Bush 43 would in any real way align with Tea Party politics.  He was still better than Obama, I have to admit.

    Reagan was personally much less a big-government conservative, but he did face obstruction from the Democrats, who controlled the House for all of his term, and Congress as a whole for much of it.

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  120. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    “Identity politics, the last refuge of the scoundrel left.”
    This all began when Fletch called Obama, the Kenyan.

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  121. nasska (12,111 comments) says:

    A fair question? :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1nisljfxuiu92uc/Socialism%201.jpg

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  122. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    That comparison makes no sense.

    Come on, Scott, have a look at what he says.  He was objecting to Obama being called a Kenyan.  I said he was half Kenyan, which SPC took exception to.  I was mocking SPC for a piece of inanity.  

    Apparently there is no such thing as a Kenyan, ergo…

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  123. Scott Chris (6,178 comments) says:

    I’m sure you couldn’t possibly be referring to the Republican’s insistence that only those legally eligible to vote be permitted to do so.

    There is virtually no electoral identity fraud in the United States so why draft laws to deal with a problem that doesn’t exist? Do try to be objective Smith.

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  124. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Great cartoon, nasska.

    There is a nice story in Robert Service’s biography of Lenin where one of his staff didn’t turn up for work one day after the October Coup d’etat. Lenin sent someone to find out why she wasn’t at work, and the reply came back that since they were being told they were their own bosses now, she just didn’t feel like going to work that day so gave herself the day off! Apparently Lenin was not at all amused.

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  125. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    F E Smith, how is anyone half Kenyan, it is not a race and Obama has never lived in Kenya?

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  126. Scott Chris (6,178 comments) says:

    He was objecting to Obama being called a Kenyan.

    Fair objection. You and I both know why they refer to him as “The Kenyan”

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  127. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    There is virtually no electoral identity fraud in the United States so why draft laws to deal with a problem that doesn’t exist? Do try to be objective Smith.

    I try to be, Scott, but it was bhudson who said that, not me.

    But are you suggesting that they should wait until there is voter fraud before passing such laws?  Or is prevention better than cure?

    Actually, the UK could do with some voter ID laws.  Voter fraud there is rife.

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  128. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    how is anyone half Kenyan, it is not a race

    Are you serious?

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  129. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    how is anyone half Kenyan, it is not a race and Obama has never lived in Kenya?

    Well that will have come as a rude shock to all of those people who thought that they were part-Maori

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  130. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    You and I both know why they refer to him as “The Kenyan”

    Of course.  And I have no problem with it.  If Ted Cruz is elected President of the USA you watch the left call him “The Canadian”.

    Unlike some, I don’t always think such names are evidence of racism.

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  131. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    The major unifying theme for the far right both here and on this thread is a persuasive hatred of a Democrat president at the helm

    There, fixed that for you, stephie.

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  132. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    There is virtually no electoral identity fraud in the United States

    There is a position that ineligible voters are being enrolled. That is not electoral identity fraud at the ballot, but either incorrect (and illegal) granting of permission to vote, or an illegal misrepresentation of eligibility to enroll.

    You’re looking for fraud in all the wrong places. Keep on looking now. You gotta keep on looking now.

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  133. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    you watch the left call him “The Canadian”

    Which would, apparently be wrong, there being no such race as “Canadian”, therefore there must apparently be no such thing as a Canadian.

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  134. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    The South was strongly Democrat right through that era, and into the 70s, so any percieved turn towards the left for their civil rights I think is mostly illusory.

    That is a risible comment. A single look at every election bar Carter’s in 1976 makes a mockery of your claims. Southern Democrats had been increasingly at odds with the bulk of the party precisely over civil rights from Kennedy’s election onwards. Both Goldwater and Nixon won the South (and Wallace). The only outlier is Carter, who won for obvious reasons.

    Nixon’s political strategist Kevin Phillips in 1970:

    From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don’t need any more than that…but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.[2]

    Southerners loved left wing policies as long as they weren’t extended to blacks. They were happy to vote for the New Deal and did so in droves.

    Even Reagan knew this. That’s why he started his campaign dog whistling to southern racists.

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  135. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    A single look at every election bar Carter’s in 1976

    Why are you presuming that I mean only Presidential elections?  Or is that the only part of the stats that fits your narrative?

    Even Reagan knew this. That’s why he started his campaign dog whistling to southern racists.

    Utter bollocks.

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  136. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    That is a risible comment.

    Well, I suppose that you would know, being the master of such a comment.

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  137. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Gee FES! Interesting to see your button touched! :)

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  138. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Johnboy, I have to say that I am having fun tonight. I’m cooking dinner, however, so will have to take a break soon.

    I do read Tom Jackson’s comments for laughs though. He rarely fails in that regard.

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  139. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Indian required run rate 7.3 and rising. The night just keeps getting better!

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  140. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Nice to see a human face on the consummate lawyer FES! :)

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  141. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    I try to hide it, Johnboy, but sometimes the facade slips!

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  142. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    There he goes again, old F E Smith @ 7.43

    Up to his old tricks.

    “I didn’t say that.”
    “I didn’t mean that.”
    ” Prove that I said that.”
    “Show me where I said that, if I did.”
    “And if I did say that I didn’t mean it.”
    “I’m a lawyer, I always tell the truth.”

    Just a sad F E joke.

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  143. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    I won’t mention it to Sir Geoffrey FES! :)

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  144. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Thank you, Johnboy, I appreciate it.

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  145. johnwellingtonwells (137 comments) says:

    JetStar has TV ads tonight for cheap, cheap fares. Then in very small print they show the conditions. But the advertisment finishes before anyone can read the fine print!!! Let the buyer beware. I could not believe that their service was so bad so tried them out. Got bumped from the flight because I asked their boarding person to have the courtesy to say “please”. So now I know and never again

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  146. cha (4,145 comments) says:

    For what it’s worth here’s the D’Souza indictment.

    http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/politics/dinesh-dsouza-indictment/759/?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost

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  147. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    By jove johnwellingtonwells. Stop being a fucking cheapskate and pay top dollar for first or business class on our national carrier what what….. and they will treat you like the knob you undoubtedly are old boy! :)

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  148. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Jeez there are some real prats.

    johnwellin… etc,

    You must be the ignorant prat that got bumped off the flight that i got on.

    Hey, boofhead, try insisting that the flight attendant calls you Sir next time.
    Say please, say pretty please or I wont get on.
    Jeez what a prat.

    Are you related to sir douglas graham ?

    wanker.

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  149. nasska (12,111 comments) says:

    Johnboy’s drinking mates are still taking the piss out of him over the time he shagged a 13 year old.

    Who cares about age anyway?

    It was 104 in human years.

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  150. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    F E Smith

    I wonder when the next census comes out whether we will have these categories based on where ones forefathers came from

    Canadian New Zealander, Australian New Zealander, Kenyan New Zealander, etc.

    Calling an American born President a Kenyan is not an attempt at anything but marginalisation.

    Whether his birth father was the Kenyan who married his mother, or a black American, he is now just another American with African DNA. And is so categorised in their society, not as a Kenyan or half Kenyan. No one called Colin Powell the West Indian.

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  151. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    She only looked 10 nasska! :)

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  152. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Whether his birth father was the Kenyan who married his mother, or a black American, he is now just another American with African DNA. And is so categorised in their society, not as a Kenyan or half Kenyan.

    And with a puff of smoke, everybody’s heritage disappears.  From now on, we are all to be called “Bob”.

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  153. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Johnboy’s drinking mates are still taking the piss out of him over the time he shagged a 13 year old.

    Who cares about age anyway?

    It was 104 in human years.

    Stop it, it hurts!!! :D

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  154. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    F E Smith,

    Surely that will be “Kate” for short?

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  155. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Surely that will be “Kate” for short?

    :D

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  156. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    F E Smith, most African states were established as regional constructs by departing colonial powers, and there was no such state called Kenya established when the man who later married Obama’s mother left Africa to study in the USA.

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  157. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    It’s actually Gabrielle for even longer you male chauvinist pigs! :)

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  158. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    most African states were established as regional constructs by departing colonial powers

    I am learning so much today that I shall be able to throw away my history books!  Next you will tell me that England does not exist…

    there was no such state called Kenya established when Obama’s father left Africa to study in the USA.

    What do you call someone born in the Colony and Protectorate of Kenya? Oh, wait, according to SPC you cannot describe someone as being from a certain place. Should we say he is half-Luo, then?

    EDIT: No, it looks like we should say that he is half-Joluo

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  159. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    he is now just another American with African DNA

    No, that cannot be right.  There is no such ethnicity as ‘American’.

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  160. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    “What do you call someone born in the Colony and Protectorate of Kenya?”

    Sooty?

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  161. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    No, Johnboy, just no…

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  162. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    Ah…”Sweep” ! :)

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  163. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    You fools.

    You argue with F E Smith.

    Don’t you understand that he is a lawyer.

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  164. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    F E Smith, yes people are known by their nationality – their place of birth. The American born like Powell and Obama are Americans. Whether one or both parents were foreign born is irrelevant to that.

    That is the tradition of their melting pot, the attempt to categorise Obama otherwise and the defence of that attempt is what is alien to their tradition.

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  165. Tauhei Notts (1,688 comments) says:

    India’s odds have dropped from $7.2 to $3.5 in just two overs.

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  166. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    That is what happens when lawyers/spinners are too long at bat.

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  167. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    “Calling an American born President a Kenyan is not an attempt at anything but marginalisation.”

    Its actually what is known is known as a falsehood.

    Fe Smith might claim that he does not take umbrage at the colour of Obama’s skin but there are many who definitely do and a birther movement would not exist if it was shown that a incumbent pale face President’s father was born in say Canada or Spain for that matter.And would not be called a Canadian or Spaniard .
    Racism , pure and simple, underlines most of the objections to Obama.

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  168. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    there are many who definitely do and a birther movement would not exist if it was shown that a incumbent pale face President’s father was born in say Canada or Spain for that matter.And would not be called a Canadian or Spaniard .

    That is absolutely false.

    EDIT: It is that old left wing canard, isn’t it? I oppose you because you are wrong and my pinciples are right, you oppose me because you are racist/sexist/some-other-ist.

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  169. Harriet (5,201 comments) says:

    “…..Racism , pure and simple, underlines most of the objections to Obama….”

    So very true Softieboy!

    And 98% of blacks voted for the dumb idiot who preached ‘hope and change’ and told Joe the plumber ‘I’ll spread the wealth around’. Now the blacks are complaining that there’s been no change in it for them.

    Were the blacks being racist when they voted for him…..or are blacks just dumb? :cool:

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  170. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    people are known by their nationality

    Can you please stick to a consistent principle?

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  171. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Anyway, Obama’s mother is of European descent, so he is half-White and half-African. But born in America. But being a lefty you probably work on the one drop principle, right SPC?

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  172. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    F E Smith, people born in the USA are Americans. Not Kenyans or half Kenyans. That is their melting pot thing.

    One can get all sorts of prefix-labels (as people self-describe themselves), but all conclude with American.

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  173. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    I think FE Smith your being rather specious re the fact Obama is half white and half African.Yes that is true as far as it goes but there are many on the far right who don’t make that kind of distinction nor care for that matter.
    it wouldn’t make a difference e.g in the old segregated South. In fact it would be likely he would be regarded as a more of an outcast and a pariah as a product of intermarriage .
    It remains my view that most of the attacks directed at Obama are racially motivated.

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  174. cha (4,145 comments) says:

    Suddenly, boat!.

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  175. Tauhei Notts (1,688 comments) says:

    The cricket.
    A tie!
    Wouldn’t our TAB want to get a piece of that Betfair action.
    Betfair’s turnover between the end of the 49th over and five balls later was GBP838,073.
    Un bloody believable.

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  176. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    Harriet (3,463 comments) says:
    January 25th, 2014 at 9:52 pm

    Your yet again highly irrational , totally inept and shallow. 98% of blacks voted for him.? And since the black population represents about 12.5 % of the population of the US then Obama must of got and did receive a sizable chunk of White voters. Were white voters who voted for him being racist .?
    “You aint got the sense you were born with.” ! ( or more likely not born with )

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  177. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    there are many on the far right who don’t make that kind of distinction

    Most of those people are on the left, like the BNP, for example.  Have a look at what they believe and their politics are found to be eerily similar to yours.  Like Kyle Chapman and his championing of the working class white man.  He fits on the left extremely well, notwithstanding his misdescription of his politics.

    It remains my view that most of the attacks directed at Obama are racially motivated.

    Like I said, the left have to believe that opposition to their principles is motivated by hatred.  That is mostly because the left are the biggest pack of haters you will find, they cannot believe that someone could oppose them based upon principles.  Just listen to the Greens sometime!!  The vast majority Republicans oppose Obama because they think his policies are wrong.  Pretty much all of the Tea Party likewise, although they also think that some Republican policies are wrong. 

    If you cannot accept then you are a moron.

    But you tell yourself whatever you need to know.

    SPC, your point is ridiculous.  People describe themselves as half this and half that all of the time.  You are trying to remove the ability to call Obama a Kenyan when that is in fact a large part of his heritage.  He is half-Kenyan and half-American; just ask any Kenyan!!!

    The fact that he was born in the USA makes him an American citizen, but it in no way negates his heritage. 

    And as a first generation New Zealander, I object to your arbitrary denial of my mixed heritages.

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  178. Reid (16,748 comments) says:

    Your yet again highly irrational , totally inept and shallow

    It’s “you’re” not “your” stephie.

    Were white voters who voted for him being racist .?

    No, just mental. He’s worse than Bush 43. That’s amazing. Imagine how you could possibly be worse than Bush 41. But then Clinton almost but not quite achieved it. But then Bush 43 came along. And he was worse. And then comes Obama. And he is even worse. Worse and worse. The 4 worst presidents in US history hit the US one after the other, bang bang bang bang just like that.

    “You aint got the sense you were born with.” ! ( or more likely not born with )

    If anyone doesn’t recognise this, after 4 (four) FOUR 4 in a row, then I quite agree.

    Do you recognise that, stephie?

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  179. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Fe Smith might claim that he does not take umbrage at the colour of Obama’s skin

    Actually, that is straight out offensive.  Are you calling me a racist and a liar?

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  180. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Obama must of got

    And it is must have got, not must of got.

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  181. SPC (5,678 comments) says:

    F E Smith, his nationality is entirely American. Some Americans do self declare/describe their heritage. But I know of no American who says they are half American half something else, according to their parental source.

    Colin Powell was never called a West Indian because of his parentage.

    So when Fletch calls Obama a Kenyan, and you call him half Kenyan, I just do not agree. It’s just the politics of un-American label marginalisation.

    What has your parental identity to do with it? It does not make you half a New Zealander.

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  182. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Why are you presuming that I mean only Presidential elections? Or is that the only part of the stats that fits your narrative?

    No. I’m presuming you’re an idiot based on previous form and tonight’s laugh fest. It’s nice that you are taken in by the derpers attempt to rewrite history. Everyone who studies American politics knows that congressional races work differently to national ones and that localism is a much bigger deal in the US than it is here. The power of incumbency, regionalism and gerrymandering is much more evident in congressional races.

    Look, if you want to believe the risible attempts to rewrite history by the current US right, go ahead. Sure, Strom Thurmond was a Democrat, but he and his ilk bolted for the Republican Party because of civil rights.

    Even Reagan knew this. That’s why he started his campaign dog whistling to southern racists.

    Utter bollocks.

    Sigh:

    Yet it’s with Reagan, who set a standard for exploiting white anger and resentment rarely seen since George Wallace stood in the schoolhouse door, that the Republican’s selective memory about its race-baiting habit really stands out.

    Space doesn’t permit a complete list of the Gipper’s signals to angry white folks that Republicans prefer to ignore, so two incidents in which Lott was deeply involved will have to suffice. As a young congressman, Lott was among those who urged Reagan to deliver his first major campaign speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where three civil rights workers were murdered in one of the 1960s’ ugliest cases of racist violence. It was a ringing declaration of his support for “states’ rights” — a code word for resistance to black advances clearly understood by white Southern voters.

    http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,399921,00.html#ixzz2rP4AF1ez

    I thought anyone remotely interested in the history of US politics knew that.

    Then there’s the Holmes-Cooney fight. It has been consistently claimed, even by Holmes himself in his autobiography, that Reagan had arranged to call great white hope Cooney to congratulate him if he won, but saw no reason to do the same for the African American Holmes (one of the great heavyweight champions who pulverised Cooney with a complete display of boxing).

    Face it: Reagan had problems with race.

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  183. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    This graph from The Oxford Handbook of Southern Politics (p.297) tells the story quite well.

    Republican representation in the South trends up at a steady rate in both state and federal representation from about 1960 onwards. The era around Watergate being the only anomaly for obvious reasons.

    http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=9Q16Kv6J9OUC&lpg=PA290&ots=lCqHxESM5h&dq=southern%20whites%20party%20preference%20over%20time&pg=PA297#v=onepage&q=southern%20whites%20party%20preference%20over%20time&f=false

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  184. itstricky (2,027 comments) says:

    WRT Twitter.

    Does someone need to tell DPF that WASP is for people who don’t understand the game?

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  185. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    Reid (14,734 comments) says:
    January 25th, 2014 at 11:03 pm

    The white voters “mental”.??
    At your uppity condescending best ,yet again.!

    F E Smith (3,180 comments) says:
    January 25th, 2014 at 11:05 pm

    A liar .? Maybe but its an opinion nevertheless. Am skeptical over your bona fides when one digs deep enough.
    Again IMO.!

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  186. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Am skeptical over your bona fides when one digs deep enough.

    See, there is that left wing canard again: Deep down, I simply cannot believe that you oppose (ME/LEFT WING POLITICIAN) on principle so you must therefore really be RACIST/MISOGYNIST/EVIL even though you say you aren’t.

    It is childish of you, really.

    EDIT: I see Tom Jackson feels the same way, but that is no surprise.

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  187. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Oh dear, it appears that Tom Jackson is getting his views on Reagan from Salon.com. Well, there goes any credibility he had!!!

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