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Bill English and John Key have been warning us for a long time of probable interest rate rises. These guys are consistently showing responsibility. Something we simply couldn’t expect from Greens/Labour
• The Best Start Payment provides desperately needed support to the estimated 50,000 children under three who are currently living in poverty.
• The Best Start Payment will benefit all New Zealand children born after 1 April 2016.
These two statements, although consecutive on Labour’s website, in fact appear to be nothing to do with each other. 50,000 children under three are currently desperate, Labour says, but none will qualify for a payment.
They will just be each 2 year and 2 months older when the first New Zealand child does qualify.
Interest rates up is going to kill Auckland, who wants to pay more to live here, its getting more and more cramped.
Could hardly fit another body in the local pool at the weekend, no wonder diseases thrive in close quarter living populations
I watched the mother interviewed last night and ‘Feral’ certainly describes her so Slater is probably accurate on that count.
Should he have put it to print? No.
Should he now apologise? After those threats he can’t; without the threats he probably should have.
Apropos of Whaleoil, his appeal to the Court of Appeal against his conviction for breaching suppression orders has still to be heard. The only ground on which he has leave to appeal is that his blog is not “a report or account of proceedings” and therefore not subject to the statute governing suppression orders. That seems inconsistent with his claim to be entitled to be treated by the Courts as a bona fide news organisation.
Key’s flag idea is simply stupid. It’s not a pressing issue that requires attention.
It’s an interesting one. We all know Key is a poll-driven fruitcake just like Hulun was. Like you kowtow I don’t see it as a pressing issue and it is potentially divisive.
Maybe his calculation is to boost the Conservative Party vote. Anyone conservative who wants to keep it as-is has nowhere else to go but maybe into the Conservative Party – which boosts their chances. I think ACT policy would be to support a referendum on it, but Boscowan will get Epsom if he stands there so that widens National’s support base on the conservative side. Not that most conservatives tend to be single-issue voters but holding it with the general election puts it front-of-mind for everyone.
And those who do support a change in the conservative camp won’t be alienated by a referendum and it might also capture some of the floaters, without having to counter the election bribes from Liarbore with economically damaging counter-proposals.
Pete George’s leader, Peter Dunne, Great Possum Leader of United Future, is for a change of the national flag, which, the Hooerald reports, Dunne says, “”…smacks of British imperialism”, and Dunne-it wants the Union Jack removed.
The problem for Peter Dunne-it will be what to choose for a new national symbol – a possum or a cellphone.
No wonder Pete George was so busy advocating a flag change in yesterday’s general debate thread.
Re the guy killed on the West Coast- I think Whaleoil probably got sick of the mother’s bullshit and crying to the media about what an Angel her wee boy was…
“”There’s been comments about him being out partying but that is not the case at all,” she said.
“He was ready for bed and had just gone down the shop for some Powerade and Skittles when his mates turned up at 10.45pm and invited him to a party in Kumara.”
Powerade and Skittles? Sounds very Trayvon…
Wonder how this little angel ended up in a car doing 140 kph in a Police chase?
I’d be pretty pissed off if some boy racers crashed into my house at 140kph- It’s a miracle they didn’t kill any innocent occupants..
The Labour proposal for a “baby bonus” will do nothing to alleviate child poverty. The “poverty level” is set by taking as the threshold 60% of the household median income, so if most house holds get an extra $60 a week, the median income will change little if at all, and thus the poverty index will not change. Using this index, if every household in NZ doubled its income, the number living in “poverty” would remain the same. Ditch this index.
Re Jackinabox’s post at 8.37 linking to the report of the ex-undercover cop threatening to strangle Helen Clark.
The police’s destruction of young guys by inserting them in gangs under cover then virtually abandoning them when this wrecked their lives is a story of gross betrayal by the State. The police’s treatment of these guys was, and probably still is, bloody appalling.
Jackinabox, are you one of these ex undercover guys?
Kowtow: The two referenda are different beasts, so no inconsistancy
A CIR is a group of people getting together and asking the government to do something (except for the last CIR, which was an opinion poll question not requiring any action). The Government can say yes or no to such requests
A government initiated referendum is the government saying to the public “We want to know what you want us to do on this issue”. I’ve only ever seen it for issues that are too ‘big’ – such as constitutional change or to do with national identity – for a government to attempt to change without consultation/general approval from the public.
All he is doing is opening the discussion which, IMHO, is a good thing (regardless of how I feel about the flag)
I’m totally puzzled by this flag business. That is the sort of thing a Prime Minister should do when he wants to distract people from the state of the economy and prevent them from listening too much to the Opposition. I should have thought the opposite would be the case – getting voters to look at how the economy is doing (very well) and think about what the Opposition are saying (increasingly desperate and stupid things) would be exactly what he would want to encourage.
One thing that isn’t clear to me from the media coverage, though – Did Key raise the issue himself, or did he simply answer the question when somebody asked him what he thought about the possibility of changing the flag?
Re Albert Ross at 8.46 on the national flag. What about the possibility of Key hedging against some heavy economic downturn this year if China’s economy gets in knot. A flag debate could divert voters’ opinions, but only “could”, especially if all but ACT support a flag referendum.
Amazing how politicians disregard referenda (as on smacking laws), then want to distract voters with more of them.
I don’t want to change our flag at all but John Key is I believe quite clever regarding this issue:
Firstly, he brought it up the same year as a royal visit which will appeal somewhat to the anti royals.
Secondly, he indicated an alternative which is not likely to be controversial as would some native symbol.
Thirdly, he kept the conversation casual showing it will not be an election issue.
I wonder if Key has got wind of something and beaten whoever to the punch. He is a very astute man.
doggone- I didn’t see Slater’s blog (I don’t often read Whale Oil) but I was just saying I think he may have been trying to put a bit of balance into things following the mother’s bullshit offensive..I mean- The wee angel was in his Pyjamas and went to the shop to buy some skittles?? For fuck’s sake…..
The flag issue is a non issue and I don’t see any reason to change. However it’s a great time to discuss it in public. One thought though- I think it will swell the debate about a republic. That would help National in the election.
Whale Oil’s efforts in the debate about that incident in Greymouth is an indication of a person craving for publicity. Whatever the circumsatances of the family etc it was completely inappropriate of Slater’s comments. The death threats are a reaction no one can encourage but Slater should realize that he has touched a raw nerve in the population. There are times to shut up,take a deep breath and count to 100 before reacting.
A message to all bloggers- be reasonable and cut the nastiness. I get alarmed at the use of swearwords,crude personal attacks and the self righteousness of some bloggers. I get caught up in that at times, it does no good for a caring society.
J Bloggs (66 comments) says:
January 30th, 2014 at 8:45 am
Are you forgetting that Margaret Wilson & Hulun imposed a constituional change in removing appeals to the Privy Council and substituting a Supreme Court without public consultation let alone a CIR. With no second chamber NZ allows its politicians unbridled power and BCIR would at least provide the opportunity to restrain the worst excesses.
No wonder Pete George was so busy advocating a flag change in yesterday’s general debate thread.
You’re revealing your agenda again Jack. I’ve advocated a flag change (and an anthem change and dropping the monarchy) independently for yonks, here and elsewhere.
David Cunliffe has also said he supports a flag change, along with John Key, Russel Norman, Winston Peters and Hone Harawira (and Peter Dunne). So I seem to be in step with the vast majority of party leaders – all but one.
No wonder I was advocating for a flag change, nearly all party leaders have agreed with me.
I’ve asked Colin Craig what he thinks (via Ask Colin) but he hasn’t responded yet.
“But given that you have a neo-Nazi inspired username, I suppose that I shouldn’t be too surprised.”
You think? I suggest you do some research into that phrase Gump. It is possible I suppose that I chose that name for Historical or Political reasons…
But then maybe it was just an old AC/DC song that was playing when I first joined Kiwiblog..
Do you support the ending of fluoridation in New Zealand?
If you do support ending fluoridation how would you go about a transparent process where all information from both sides of the debate could be heard fairly and equitably.
I am referencing the $47k (minimum) spent by the WDHB (taxpayers money) against the $12k provided by Fluoride Free Hamilton (This amount was collected from donations from individual donors).
Hi Kane and thanks for your questions. My view is as follows;
Water supply and the treatment of town water supplies is managed at a local level. I support councils having referendum on this issue (costs are minimised if information and forms are sent out with rates notices) to determine what the public wants. Information sent to voters should give fair and equal chance for both those for and against to have their say. In this electronic age I suggest council establishing a website to give the same equal opportunity to both sides to present their case.
People who do not have a computer can of course access the council information website at their local public library if they are interested. This approach helps level the playing field when it comes to who has the deeper pockets, as the primary information source is balanced.
Yes my personal view is that water should be delivered to households as chemical free as reasonably possible, while still being safe to drink – i.e. without fluoride.
I support more awareness of the concerns around fluoridation. When properly informed, I do think many communities will choose non-fluoridation.
Radiolive had a news update from a reporter there who said that it was out of control or words to that effect. And so did their 11am bulletin. They interrupted their regular program to talk to her
The simple answer to the anti fluoridation debate is do an analysis of a control population in Tauranga ( with out fluoridation) and one in Auckland ( with fluoridation ).
A study of this kind will readily expose the absurd claims by the anti fluoridation lobby that adding it to water supplies is responsible e.g for the lowering of IQs and causing cancers like Osteosarcoma in the general population.
Colin Craig needs to be more closely quizzed on this issue. it looks as though he is still in Conspiracy related la la land.
So, Mr Key …you’re talking coalition with the Conservative Party, along with their “bottom line,” binding citizens referenda. And yet, your government wants the rest of us to believe that the centre-right is the epitome of “fiscal responsibility” and limited government spending.
The governing body shall constitute a Conduct Review Independent Panel. The members of the Panel will be selected from a list of persons with appropriate skills and knowledge, to be recommended by the Chief Executive. The Independent Panel is not a Committee of the governing body and its sole function is to investigate those matters referred to it and to make recommendations on those matters to the governing body/local board. Up to three members on the list will be deemed to be ‘convenors’ who will be the Council’s primary contact in relation to convening a panel when required. ‘Convening’ a panel includes chairing that panel. A convenor may appoint other convenors to a panel.
8.6. Procedures of the Conduct Review Independent Panel
The Independent Panel will establish and notify standard procedures, fair to both complainants and respondents, which it will apply to the investigation and consideration of all complaints referred to it.
Former Auckland Council CEO Doug McKay effectively made up his own process and appointed his own people.
In my considered opinion, in order to help protect Mayor Len Brown from possible criminal prosecution.
The fact that the Ernst and Young ‘Inquiry’ was NOT done in a proper way has NEVER been discussed by Auckland Council, so how can it have been ‘dealt with’ (the basis for (unlawfully) denying my speaking rights).
This Auckland Council is literally brimming with corrupt ‘conflicts of interest’, in my considered opinion.
(There is a LOT more to come on this, and related matters ……)
So he’s only going to sign up for a single referendum on corporal punishment? He seems to be speaking about “binding””referenda” (plural). What else does he want to waste money on? A divisive anti-abortion referendum? Revisiting the issue of street prostitution, which his party made a submission on, to the Local Government and Environmental Select Committee when it came to Ross Robertson’s benighted and repressive Manukau City Council (Regulating Prostitution in Specified Places) Bill? Even when the Christian Right circulated a petition against it for a prior referendum back in 2003, yet failed to get enough signatures?
And before the social conservative “usual suspects” say anything, do *they* really want *binding* referenda on euthanasia and cannabis, given libertarian outcomes on such issues within the United States? All because some overexcited fundie wants the ‘right’ to hit his kids???
Charlotte Dawson got given an improper hair dye by accident, hence some of her hair fell out.
Her really nicer supportive comment to all those who were having cancer treatment was on prime tv she said “i looked awful like some kind of cancer patient.”
Fuken hate her with a passion,
So true. I don’t know why he continues to enjoy a good reputation. His thing with Monica Lewinsky wasn’t even an “affair” as Paul points out. He was a predator, taking advantage of a teenage girl. He’s had a slew of affairs, with other women too, including Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers.
stephieboy, Your ignorance of current affairs, history, politics, social structures and people is not cured by links or sources. I have proven that numerous times.
The other thing you need to consider is that – some of us- are able to form our own opinions and not simply repeat what we read somewhere. Those opinions are just as valid as ones coming from a “source”
Kea ,you not proven anything with your sources or links.,Your crude and sweeping claim that e.g the Jews control the world’s media is a case in point. All you could come up with was threadbare link with an opinion piece that was not in turn backed up with any facts or evidence.
But I think the main point is that Chuckbird is capable of answering my post himself and am sure he has not given you an enduring power of attorney to act for him on KB.
Again I think its reasonable to ask of him his source for an interesting and extraordinary claim.
Let him answer that for himself and not a patronizing half wit . like yourself .!
stephieboy, no I made no such claim regarding Jews. I posted a link to an article where a Jew made that claim.
You posted nothing to support your claim, lied about known facts, and simply attempted to shoot the messenger. Your dishonesty when debating is breathtaking. Your statement re the media being an example.
The foreplay to the electoral campaign hit a new low today with the co-leader of the Green party converting the rejoinder Anne Tolly to a racist attack. I sincerely hope that every criticism will not attract this sort of response.
Kea, several years ago this quote was thrashed out on KB. It was established (from memory) that she never called them inbred. Feral, yes, although I think that might have been taken a little out of context by Nick Smith.
…..”Camus (5 comments) says:
March 19th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Here’s the earliest print mention of “feral” I could find – no mention of inbred, or in-bred, in the full article – though that doesn’t necessarily settle the question, because it was quoted from a talkback interview rather than the West Coast Times:
PM’S `FERAL’ COMMENT UPSETS WEST COASTERS.
Greymouth, 14 April 2000, NZPA – West Coasters would strongly resent being described as “feral” by Prime Minister Helen Clark, lobby group Coast Action Network (CAN) chairman Barry Nicolle said today.
Miss Clark made the comment yesterday on talkback radio after being questioned about the fight pro-logging groups have put up to the Government’s scrapping of the beech scheme on the West Coast…
… Attitudes on the West Coast could be “fairly feral,” she said…”…..
Has anyone else had any connection problems with Kiwiblog over the past couple of days? Someone has contacted me saying they haven’t been able to connect for two days from two computers and a mobile.
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Here is one about Saudi Arabia. You know, the ones who organised, financed and carried out the 9/11 attacks. The biggest financiers of radical Islam on the planet. The ones with hand chopping, women lashing, homo hanging, Sharia law.
And the one who is an American friend from where they fly missions against Afghan peasants ! That place.
Thanks for those links. I did remember the issue at the time.
Based on DPF’s post it looks like Helen Clark’s actual words are lost in the mists of time. It would be great to find them, for the record and all that.
However, in DPF’s kiwiblog post this bit sticks out:
Attitudes on the West Coast could be “fairly feral,” she said.
The issue was over poisoning of trees.
So if that is all a right wing blog can find, I’d say Paulus comment which was this:
When Helen Clark called the Westcoasters “Ferals and Inbreds”…
is nothing close to what was actually said.
1) Helen Clark seems to be commenting on the ATTITUDES of people who think it okay to poison trees as feral, not directly abusing them (like Slater did), and
2) There is no mention of the word “inbred”.
Now, it was the nasty side of Helen Clark that I couldn’t stand. This became more obvious in her last term when it was becoming obvious that she was losing favour with the country. In this case it is clear that the nasty side came out.
But Paulus “quote” is wrong. Simple as that.
And Helen Clark’s comment certainly can’t be compared to what Slater said. He is in a league of his own!
bc, what a load of mealy mouthed crap. You are insulting readers intelligence thinking they will buy that. It is crystal clear what Clark meant and what she said. She called Coasters “ferals”. End of story.
8.10 post by the non-ratepayer.
Now why is Ms Dim wearing safety glasses? Health and Safety regs in case someone throws shit at her?
Oh man, she has this all worked out for the media intervention if an incident should happen.
Get a fucking job and pay your Rates Penny Bright
As DPF said in his post at the time, he prefers Clark’s “haters and wreckers” quote as the definite example of Clark at her nastiest.
In that case Clark was abusing people. DPF sees the difference kea.
Kea (10,057 comments) says:
January 30th, 2014 at 7:16 pm
Don’t worry am fully with familiar with Pat Condell’s take on Saudi Arabia though I would debate whether the Saudi Government itself was actually complicit in the 9/11 attacks,But never mind, we could go on forever on that one.
But the main point about the video is that SA has a lot in common with other Islamic Counties in the ME, Take Iran for instance. There the same Sharia styled Laws against witchcraft, Gays, Apostasy , Women etc. In fact according to Pat Condell’s previous video they hang gays from cranes In Iran. In other Islamic states like SA they behead them, in others they stone them to death.
Am interested and intrigued to know why you feel fit to apologize for Islam with these kind of fascist practices going on today in both countries. Or is it that you quake and fear of been called Islamic phobic.? Or do you in fact favour Theocracy over freedom.?
Pat Condell assists us by looking furhter at the problem of modern Islam here,
Kea I believe your not a very good communicator. You now despise Islam.?
Otherwise make up your mind once for all. Since Pat Condell doesn’t now appear represent your views on islam , who does.?
Some of you may think Pat Condell is an anti-Muslim commentator after listening to stephieboy. I have to clear Pat’s name and explain that Pat is an atheist and dismisses all religion, including Judaism.
QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS May 03, 2000
Hon. Tony Ryall: Noting the Prime Minister’s further comments in response to Dr Cullen’s remarks, in today’s Dominion, where she notes that women would seldom operate in this way, can she explain her reported descriptions of West Coasters as feral, a Kentucky-like lynch mob, and, according to some, inbred?
Rt Hon. HELEN CLARK: Perhaps I could refer the member to placards prominently displayed on repeated television footage that stated: “Bugger Labour” and “Up Helen”.
Owen Jennings: On reflection, does the Prime Minister think she should be apologising to West Coasters for describing them as a feral bunch and inbred; if not, why not?
OneTrack, the wretched Klarken Beast not only attacked the Coasters, staunch Labour supporters, but also laid into Maori calling them “haters and wreckers”. She so offended Maori that they broke away and formed NZ’s first race based party !
And these were the people she was going to help if elected ! LOL 🙂
Now, Now Kea that is a little unfair. Yes Pat is an Atheist and abhors religious practice and especially in its extreme forms as with Radical and Fundamentalist Islam or any religion for that matter. Yes a he believes e.g that having Jerusalem for religious reasons whether Islamic, Christian or Judaic is not a good one.
But that falls very short of his defending Israel’s right to exist which Pat has done consistently ,very clearly and persistently.The alternative of a Radical Islamic JIhaddist takeover is the stuff of nightmares in his estimation.
But not apparently yours.?
But here is something interesting. Fanatical, nutcase and radical UK based cleric Anjem Choudary who believes its a mistake to suggest that Islam is a religion of peace,