General Debate 30 January 2014

January 30th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. The only red for me is that of Manchester United (60 comments) says:

    Funny how you never hear Australians saying how much their flag looks like New Zealand’s flag.

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  2. ManuT (51 comments) says:

    Interest rate rise

    Bill English and John Key have been warning us for a long time of probable interest rate rises. These guys are consistently showing responsibility. Something we simply couldn’t expect from Greens/Labour

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  3. Sofia (851 comments) says:

    Labour’s Baby Bonus

    • The Best Start Payment provides desperately needed support to the estimated 50,000 children under three who are currently living in poverty.

    • The Best Start Payment will benefit all New Zealand children born after 1 April 2016.
    – 
https://www.labour.org.nz/beststart

    These two statements, although consecutive on Labour’s website, in fact appear to be nothing to do with each other.
    50,000 children under three are currently desperate, Labour says, but none will qualify for a payment.
    They will just be each 2 year and 2 months older when the first New Zealand child does qualify.

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  4. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Whaleoil has lost the plot, what a wanker of a thing he did. Lost any respect I once had for him

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  5. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Interest rates up is going to kill Auckland, who wants to pay more to live here, its getting more and more cramped.
    Could hardly fit another body in the local pool at the weekend, no wonder diseases thrive in close quarter living populations

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  6. Keeping Stock (10,265 comments) says:

    Throw away any preconceived idea you have of John Banks, and watch his speech in Parliament from Tuesday; it’s absolutely right on the mark:

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/01/banks-on-child-poverty.html

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  7. ManuT (51 comments) says:

    martinh

    I watched the mother interviewed last night and ‘Feral’ certainly describes her so Slater is probably accurate on that count.
    Should he have put it to print? No.
    Should he now apologise? After those threats he can’t; without the threats he probably should have.

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  8. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    Key’s flag idea is simply stupid.

    It’s not a pressing issue that requires attention.

    It is potentially divisive.

    It is change for no reason, a most unconservative thing.

    Opens Key up to ridicule in relation to his stand on referenda; govt referendum on flag ,but not asset sales or smacking or homo parody marriage.

    Most established countries have a national botanic symbol ,often used by their sports teams etc and a different national flag .

    Leave it as it is.

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  9. Rick Rowling (825 comments) says:

    What happened to KB last night?

    Another DDOS attack?

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  10. fernglas (142 comments) says:

    Apropos of Whaleoil, his appeal to the Court of Appeal against his conviction for breaching suppression orders has still to be heard. The only ground on which he has leave to appeal is that his blog is not “a report or account of proceedings” and therefore not subject to the statute governing suppression orders. That seems inconsistent with his claim to be entitled to be treated by the Courts as a bona fide news organisation.

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  11. Reid (16,223 comments) says:

    Key’s flag idea is simply stupid. It’s not a pressing issue that requires attention.

    It’s an interesting one. We all know Key is a poll-driven fruitcake just like Hulun was. Like you kowtow I don’t see it as a pressing issue and it is potentially divisive.

    Maybe his calculation is to boost the Conservative Party vote. Anyone conservative who wants to keep it as-is has nowhere else to go but maybe into the Conservative Party – which boosts their chances. I think ACT policy would be to support a referendum on it, but Boscowan will get Epsom if he stands there so that widens National’s support base on the conservative side. Not that most conservatives tend to be single-issue voters but holding it with the general election puts it front-of-mind for everyone.

    And those who do support a change in the conservative camp won’t be alienated by a referendum and it might also capture some of the floaters, without having to counter the election bribes from Liarbore with economically damaging counter-proposals.

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  12. Chuck Bird (4,832 comments) says:

    Maverick gesture takes Act leadership contest away from board
    5:30 AM Tuesday Jan 28, 2014

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11192803

    I hope this meeting is recorded. I also hope the ACT board is prepared to listen to the electorate.

    I wonder if any will ask David Seymour if he thinks all drugs not just cannabis should be made legal.

    The Epsom electorate are on average very intelligent but they cannot be taken for granted.

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  13. Jack5 (5,007 comments) says:

    Pete George’s leader, Peter Dunne, Great Possum Leader of United Future, is for a change of the national flag, which, the Hooerald reports, Dunne says, “”…smacks of British imperialism”, and Dunne-it wants the Union Jack removed.

    The problem for Peter Dunne-it will be what to choose for a new national symbol – a possum or a cellphone.

    No wonder Pete George was so busy advocating a flag change in yesterday’s general debate thread.

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  14. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Re the guy killed on the West Coast- I think Whaleoil probably got sick of the mother’s bullshit and crying to the media about what an Angel her wee boy was…

    “”There’s been comments about him being out partying but that is not the case at all,” she said.
    “He was ready for bed and had just gone down the shop for some Powerade and Skittles when his mates turned up at 10.45pm and invited him to a party in Kumara.”

    Powerade and Skittles? Sounds very Trayvon…
    Wonder how this little angel ended up in a car doing 140 kph in a Police chase?

    I’d be pretty pissed off if some boy racers crashed into my house at 140kph- It’s a miracle they didn’t kill any innocent occupants..

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  15. Paulus (2,598 comments) says:

    When Helen Clark called the Westcoasters “Ferals and Inbreds” nobody screamed ?

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  16. jackinabox (781 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10332230

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  17. Jack5 (5,007 comments) says:

    Re Reid (8.29 post) on conservatives having nowhere else to go: remember the path of a strategic blank party vote.

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  18. Newbie (44 comments) says:

    re the flag – I’d have thought there’s more important issues that needs dealing with than the design of the flag.

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  19. Graham Sharpe (6 comments) says:

    The Labour proposal for a “baby bonus” will do nothing to alleviate child poverty. The “poverty level” is set by taking as the threshold 60% of the household median income, so if most house holds get an extra $60 a week, the median income will change little if at all, and thus the poverty index will not change. Using this index, if every household in NZ doubled its income, the number living in “poverty” would remain the same. Ditch this index.

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  20. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    What’s the relevance to the link from 2005 Jack? Are we missing something?

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  21. jackinabox (781 comments) says:

    No relevance at all Longknives, I just wanted to bash the cops again.

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  22. Reid (16,223 comments) says:

    Jack how would that help?

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  23. Jack5 (5,007 comments) says:

    Re Jackinabox’s post at 8.37 linking to the report of the ex-undercover cop threatening to strangle Helen Clark.

    The police’s destruction of young guys by inserting them in gangs under cover then virtually abandoning them when this wrecked their lives is a story of gross betrayal by the State. The police’s treatment of these guys was, and probably still is, bloody appalling.

    Jackinabox, are you one of these ex undercover guys?

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  24. J Bloggs (224 comments) says:

    Kowtow: The two referenda are different beasts, so no inconsistancy

    A CIR is a group of people getting together and asking the government to do something (except for the last CIR, which was an opinion poll question not requiring any action). The Government can say yes or no to such requests

    A government initiated referendum is the government saying to the public “We want to know what you want us to do on this issue”. I’ve only ever seen it for issues that are too ‘big’ – such as constitutional change or to do with national identity – for a government to attempt to change without consultation/general approval from the public.

    All he is doing is opening the discussion which, IMHO, is a good thing (regardless of how I feel about the flag)

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  25. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Admire your honesty Jack! Though I’m sure you could have found some more recent examples of naughty Police?

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  26. KiwiGreg (3,247 comments) says:

    @sofia – hopefully none EVER qualify as labour is never close to power

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  27. Albert_Ross (270 comments) says:

    I’m totally puzzled by this flag business. That is the sort of thing a Prime Minister should do when he wants to distract people from the state of the economy and prevent them from listening too much to the Opposition. I should have thought the opposite would be the case – getting voters to look at how the economy is doing (very well) and think about what the Opposition are saying (increasingly desperate and stupid things) would be exactly what he would want to encourage.

    One thing that isn’t clear to me from the media coverage, though – Did Key raise the issue himself, or did he simply answer the question when somebody asked him what he thought about the possibility of changing the flag?

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  28. jackinabox (781 comments) says:

    Admire your honesty Jack! Though I’m sure you could have found some more recent examples of naughty Police?

    Not with “feral” Helen Clark in the headline Longknives. LOL

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  29. Jack5 (5,007 comments) says:

    Re Albert Ross at 8.46 on the national flag. What about the possibility of Key hedging against some heavy economic downturn this year if China’s economy gets in knot. A flag debate could divert voters’ opinions, but only “could”, especially if all but ACT support a flag referendum.

    Amazing how politicians disregard referenda (as on smacking laws), then want to distract voters with more of them.

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  30. James Stephenson (2,139 comments) says:

    That is the sort of thing a Prime Minister should do when he wants to distract people from the state of the economy and prevent them from listening too much to the Opposition.

    Ensure a good conservative right-wing turn out to vote at the General Election so they can tick “against” on the referendum? Give Mad Colin a leg-up over the 5%?

    Just thinking out loud, like.

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  31. jackinabox (781 comments) says:

    “Jackinabox, are you one of these ex undercover guys?”

    Not me Jack5, I’m too honest to be an ex policeman.

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  32. Jack5 (5,007 comments) says:

    Re jackinabox at 8.55:

    Then, Jackinabox, you wouldn’t have made it in politics, either.

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  33. muggins (3,341 comments) says:

    Our flag is too similar to the Australian flag.
    Also, we don’t need the Union Jack on it.
    We should have changed it years ago.
    The Aussies should change theirs as well.

    http://djc9.tripod.com/newflag/why.htm

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  34. unitedtribes (30 comments) says:

    Can anyone get through to Whaleoil site yet?

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  35. ManuT (51 comments) says:

    I don’t want to change our flag at all but John Key is I believe quite clever regarding this issue:

    Firstly, he brought it up the same year as a royal visit which will appeal somewhat to the anti royals.
    Secondly, he indicated an alternative which is not likely to be controversial as would some native symbol.
    Thirdly, he kept the conversation casual showing it will not be an election issue.

    I wonder if Key has got wind of something and beaten whoever to the punch. He is a very astute man.

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  36. doggone7 (769 comments) says:

    Longknives: Please explain just what in the mother’s “bullshit and crying to the media about what an Angel her wee boy was” in the quoted comments deserved the Cameron Slater response.

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  37. flipper (3,948 comments) says:

    Is Whale still off the “air”. Seems to be

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  38. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    j bloggs

    I know the CIR and gummint referenda are different beasts.

    CIR are the one of the most cynical of political ploys ever foisted on a democratic population.Parliament can ignore the will of the people!

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  39. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    doggone- I didn’t see Slater’s blog (I don’t often read Whale Oil) but I was just saying I think he may have been trying to put a bit of balance into things following the mother’s bullshit offensive..I mean- The wee angel was in his Pyjamas and went to the shop to buy some skittles?? For fuck’s sake…..

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  40. lilman (951 comments) says:

    Whale oil is at least trying to bring observations to main stream that generally get overlooked.

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  41. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Ben Bernanke Launches EMP on Financial Markets .

    In today’s video, Christopher Greene of AMTV reports on the EMP attack Ben Bernanke just launched on America.
    http://www.amtvmedia.com/re-direct-al

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  42. Neil (577 comments) says:

    The flag issue is a non issue and I don’t see any reason to change. However it’s a great time to discuss it in public. One thought though- I think it will swell the debate about a republic. That would help National in the election.
    Whale Oil’s efforts in the debate about that incident in Greymouth is an indication of a person craving for publicity. Whatever the circumsatances of the family etc it was completely inappropriate of Slater’s comments. The death threats are a reaction no one can encourage but Slater should realize that he has touched a raw nerve in the population. There are times to shut up,take a deep breath and count to 100 before reacting.
    A message to all bloggers- be reasonable and cut the nastiness. I get alarmed at the use of swearwords,crude personal attacks and the self righteousness of some bloggers. I get caught up in that at times, it does no good for a caring society.

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  43. freethinker (688 comments) says:

    J Bloggs (66 comments) says:
    January 30th, 2014 at 8:45 am
    Are you forgetting that Margaret Wilson & Hulun imposed a constituional change in removing appeals to the Privy Council and substituting a Supreme Court without public consultation let alone a CIR. With no second chamber NZ allows its politicians unbridled power and BCIR would at least provide the opportunity to restrain the worst excesses.

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  44. Pete George (23,429 comments) says:

    No wonder Pete George was so busy advocating a flag change in yesterday’s general debate thread.

    You’re revealing your agenda again Jack. I’ve advocated a flag change (and an anthem change and dropping the monarchy) independently for yonks, here and elsewhere.

    David Cunliffe has also said he supports a flag change, along with John Key, Russel Norman, Winston Peters and Hone Harawira (and Peter Dunne). So I seem to be in step with the vast majority of party leaders – all but one.

    No wonder I was advocating for a flag change, nearly all party leaders have agreed with me.

    I’ve asked Colin Craig what he thinks (via Ask Colin) but he hasn’t responded yet.

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  45. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Snowed in Hawaii !!!!!

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  46. gump (1,617 comments) says:

    @Longknives

    “Powerade and Skittles? Sounds very Trayvon…”

    ———————-

    Good to see you’re keeping it classy.

    But given that you have a neo-Nazi inspired username, I suppose that I shouldn’t be too surprised.

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  47. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Is Whale Oil indictative of the true National Party broadbase

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  48. gump (1,617 comments) says:

    @wikiriwhis business

    “Is Whale Oil indictative of the true National Party broadbase”

    ——————–

    No. He is a political liability that has been damaging the public perception of the National Party for quite some time.

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  49. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    No. He is a political liability that has been damaging the public perception of the National Party for quite some time.

    gump, he has the most popular blog in NZ. Dammed if I know why, but that is the reality.

    How do you explain that ?

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  50. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    A judge’s peculiar interpretation of multiculturalism:
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/muslim-refugee-gropes-women-blames-cultural-differences-avoids-jail/?

    The family of the man accused of being “The Port Hills Groper” fears he’ll be ostracised by their Muslim community if his identity is revealed, a court was told today.

    Name suppression was continued for the 63-year-old today after a judge decided he may have psychological issues if he was found guilty of grabbing, groping, and licking 15 women on the running trails.

    The accused, who cannot speak English and uses an interpreter at court, put the offending down to a “cultural” misunderstanding, saying he was trying to be “friendly” around Christmas time.

    Police documents show he lay in wait on several tracks across the Port Hills, preying on woman walking and jogging by.

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  51. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    “and licking ”

    Oh dear the mind boggles !

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  52. dime (9,806 comments) says:

    “So I seem to be in step with the vast majority of party leaders” – that should raise alarm bells, not be a source of pride

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  53. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “But given that you have a neo-Nazi inspired username, I suppose that I shouldn’t be too surprised.”

    You think? I suggest you do some research into that phrase Gump. It is possible I suppose that I chose that name for Historical or Political reasons…
    But then maybe it was just an old AC/DC song that was playing when I first joined Kiwiblog..

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  54. ChardonnayGuy (1,197 comments) says:

    Are you centre-right folk really sure you want to encourage this strange individual and his sycophantic entourage..? Colin Craig appears to be anti-fluoridation:

    http://www.conservativeparty.org.nz

    Hi Colin,

    Do you support the ending of fluoridation in New Zealand?

    If you do support ending fluoridation how would you go about a transparent process where all information from both sides of the debate could be heard fairly and equitably.

    I am referencing the $47k (minimum) spent by the WDHB (taxpayers money) against the $12k provided by Fluoride Free Hamilton (This amount was collected from donations from individual donors).

    Thanks,
    Kane
    Hi Kane and thanks for your questions. My view is as follows;

    Water supply and the treatment of town water supplies is managed at a local level. I support councils having referendum on this issue (costs are minimised if information and forms are sent out with rates notices) to determine what the public wants. Information sent to voters should give fair and equal chance for both those for and against to have their say. In this electronic age I suggest council establishing a website to give the same equal opportunity to both sides to present their case.

    People who do not have a computer can of course access the council information website at their local public library if they are interested. This approach helps level the playing field when it comes to who has the deeper pockets, as the primary information source is balanced.

    Yes my personal view is that water should be delivered to households as chemical free as reasonably possible, while still being safe to drink – i.e. without fluoride.

    I support more awareness of the concerns around fluoridation. When properly informed, I do think many communities will choose non-fluoridation.

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  55. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9666180/Selfish-fleeing-drivers-trail-of-destruction

    Cam Slater was horribly insensitive, to be sure, but somehow, you have to wonder if he didn’t have a point!

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  56. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Just heard Len Brown got totally mocked at the council meeting today and it was shambles. Piss off now Len or get frog marched

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  57. KiwiGreg (3,247 comments) says:

    You regard this as a strange view?? (Don’t get me wrong there isn’t a prayer I’d vote for the CP).

    “Yes my personal view is that water should be delivered to households as chemical free as reasonably possible, while still being safe to drink – i.e. without fluoride.”

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  58. dime (9,806 comments) says:

    martin – really?

    The herald said Len shrugged off a lone protester.. penny

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11194215

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  59. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Dime
    Radiolive had a news update from a reporter there who said that it was out of control or words to that effect. And so did their 11am bulletin. They interrupted their regular program to talk to her

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  60. stephieboy (2,678 comments) says:

    The simple answer to the anti fluoridation debate is do an analysis of a control population in Tauranga ( with out fluoridation) and one in Auckland ( with fluoridation ).
    A study of this kind will readily expose the absurd claims by the anti fluoridation lobby that adding it to water supplies is responsible e.g for the lowering of IQs and causing cancers like Osteosarcoma in the general population.
    Colin Craig needs to be more closely quizzed on this issue. it looks as though he is still in Conspiracy related la la land.

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  61. Grizz (591 comments) says:

    Did they ask the lone protester if they had got around to paying their rates bill.

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  62. dime (9,806 comments) says:

    martin – no doubt. but the herald arent in the news reporting business.

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  63. ChardonnayGuy (1,197 comments) says:

    So, Mr Key …you’re talking coalition with the Conservative Party, along with their “bottom line,” binding citizens referenda. And yet, your government wants the rest of us to believe that the centre-right is the epitome of “fiscal responsibility” and limited government spending.

    Do I spot a contradiction here?
    “Blue Elephant: The Conservatives, Binding Referenda and Public Spending”
    http://www.gaynz.com/blogs/redqueen/?p=5310

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  64. dime (9,806 comments) says:

    charonnay – i think that “bottom line” has been removed. pretty sure craig said last week.

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  65. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/auckland-council-opens-year-disorderly-meeting-congratulations-lorde-sf-151180#comment-644412

    (My comment – yet to be published….)

    If anyone should pay for the bogus Ernst and Young Report, it is former Auckland Council CEO Doug McKay, in my considered opinion.

    He did NOT follow ‘lawful due process’ as outlined in the Auckland Council ‘Code of Conduct’ s.8 ‘Compliance.

    http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/SiteCollectionDocuments/aboutcouncil/governingbody/codeofconductelectedmembers.pdf

    8.5. Conduct Review Independent Panel

    The governing body shall constitute a Conduct Review Independent Panel. The members of the Panel will be selected from a list of persons with appropriate skills and knowledge, to be recommended by the Chief Executive. The Independent Panel is not a Committee of the governing body and its sole function is to investigate those matters referred to it and to make recommendations on those matters to the governing body/local board. Up to three members on the list will be deemed to be ‘convenors’ who will be the Council’s primary contact in relation to convening a panel when required. ‘Convening’ a panel includes chairing that panel. A convenor may appoint other convenors to a panel.

    8.6. Procedures of the Conduct Review Independent Panel

    The Independent Panel will establish and notify standard procedures, fair to both complainants and respondents, which it will apply to the investigation and consideration of all complaints referred to it.
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Former Auckland Council CEO Doug McKay effectively made up his own process and appointed his own people.

    Why?

    In my considered opinion, in order to help protect Mayor Len Brown from possible criminal prosecution.

    The fact that the Ernst and Young ‘Inquiry’ was NOT done in a proper way has NEVER been discussed by Auckland Council, so how can it have been ‘dealt with’ (the basis for (unlawfully) denying my speaking rights).

    This Auckland Council is literally brimming with corrupt ‘conflicts of interest’, in my considered opinion.

    (There is a LOT more to come on this, and related matters ……)

    Penny Bright

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  66. david (2,571 comments) says:

    Was a day that people before the court were named and then the outcome of the case was also published. Innocents seen to be innocent, guilties seen to be guilty. Now all we hear is that ” a 22 year old man will appear before the Court today” along with all-too frequently “interim name suppression has been granted”. When did the rules regarding publication of the names of people charged get changed so that scroats like this ( http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11194107 ) and this ( http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9666180/Selfish-fleeing-drivers-trail-of-destruction ) can be identified as part of the story rather than as some later sidebar in a sentencing appearance?

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  67. ChardonnayGuy (1,197 comments) says:

    So he’s only going to sign up for a single referendum on corporal punishment? He seems to be speaking about “binding””referenda” (plural). What else does he want to waste money on? A divisive anti-abortion referendum? Revisiting the issue of street prostitution, which his party made a submission on, to the Local Government and Environmental Select Committee when it came to Ross Robertson’s benighted and repressive Manukau City Council (Regulating Prostitution in Specified Places) Bill? Even when the Christian Right circulated a petition against it for a prior referendum back in 2003, yet failed to get enough signatures?

    And before the social conservative “usual suspects” say anything, do *they* really want *binding* referenda on euthanasia and cannabis, given libertarian outcomes on such issues within the United States? All because some overexcited fundie wants the ‘right’ to hit his kids???

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  68. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Looks like Whaleoil is back up

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  69. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Don’t forget Lecher Len, he is starting to get a bit sassy. Time he was taken down a peg or two, then dumped.

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  70. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Calling a spade a spade: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/01/29/rand-paul-bill-clinton-was-a-serial-philanderer/

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  71. RightNow (6,968 comments) says:

    Fairfax scraping the bottom of the barrel for a story. But thank you Charlotte Nobody for fucking off even though you are very mediocre.

    “Unless you’re very mediocre, you need to get out of there. You just have to if you want to keep succeeding because otherwise it will just crush your spirit.

    “My advice is she’s just going to have to leave New Zealand.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/9666272/Dawson-advises-Lorde-to-leave-NZ

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  72. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Lol who even is Charlotte Dawson? By making those kinds of comments she is explicitly claiming celebrity status for herself…have hardly heard of her.

    Wasn’t her only NZ achievement hosting some mediocre afternoon talkshow and her penchant for botox?

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  73. RightNow (6,968 comments) says:

    I only recall she was infamous for bleaching her arsehole.

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  74. dime (9,806 comments) says:

    i dont really know who she is. is she the one who tried to top herself cause of mean tweets?

    anyway, she has a point. the “kiwi media” didnt create lorde, so she must be destroyed.

    hard for the parents.. where would you move her too? aussie seems safest? ya wouldnt want her in LA with the vultures..

    maybe she just stays in NZ and keeps telling the “media” to go fuck themselves :)

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  75. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    First CCOs – then PPPs? (Council-Controlled-Organisations – then Public-Private-Partnerships)

    Whose interests are being served by Auckland Mayor Len Brown?

    Citizens and ratepayers or big business?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11193858

    Penny Bright

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  76. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Charlotte Dawson got given an improper hair dye by accident, hence some of her hair fell out.
    Her really nicer supportive comment to all those who were having cancer treatment was on prime tv she said “i looked awful like some kind of cancer patient.”
    Fuken hate her with a passion,

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  77. RRM (9,773 comments) says:

    “My advice is she’s just going to have to leave New Zealand.”

    Um, I don’t think Ella Yelich-O’Connor needs Charlotte Dawson’s advice on how to be a mediocre c-list tv “personality” and general public dumbarse…??

    I’d love to be world famous in New Zealand. I’d just straight out say “no” and tell them to fuck off. :-)

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  78. stephieboy (2,678 comments) says:

    Manolo (12,091 comments) says:
    January 30th, 2014 at 12:29 pm

    Why Paul Rands’ Plagiarism matters,

    http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/190290-why-rand-pauls-plagiarism-matters

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  79. Paulus (2,598 comments) says:

    2.05pm Whale out again.
    Somebody, with money, does not like him.

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  80. Pete George (23,429 comments) says:

    That didn’t take long for WO to go down again but not surprising.

    WO Pete put up an explainer post, I copied it in case this happened – Whale Oil – The Co-Pilot’s Report

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  81. Fletch (6,251 comments) says:

    Calling a spade a spade: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/01/29/rand-paul-bill-clinton-was-a-serial-philanderer/

    So true. I don’t know why he continues to enjoy a good reputation. His thing with Monica Lewinsky wasn’t even an “affair” as Paul points out. He was a predator, taking advantage of a teenage girl. He’s had a slew of affairs, with other women too, including Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers.

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  82. Chuck Bird (4,832 comments) says:

    Did you hear about the woman in Georgia when he was governor? She claimed he physically raped her. She tried complaining but he was too powerful.

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  83. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    DotCom would be No. 1 suspect in Whale’s shutdown.

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  84. stephieboy (2,678 comments) says:

    Chuck you naturally have a link or source to substantiate that claim.?

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  85. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    stephieboy, Your ignorance of current affairs, history, politics, social structures and people is not cured by links or sources. I have proven that numerous times.

    The other thing you need to consider is that – some of us- are able to form our own opinions and not simply repeat what we read somewhere. Those opinions are just as valid as ones coming from a “source”

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  86. stephieboy (2,678 comments) says:

    Kea ,you not proven anything with your sources or links.,Your crude and sweeping claim that e.g the Jews control the world’s media is a case in point. All you could come up with was threadbare link with an opinion piece that was not in turn backed up with any facts or evidence.
    But I think the main point is that Chuckbird is capable of answering my post himself and am sure he has not given you an enduring power of attorney to act for him on KB.
    Again I think its reasonable to ask of him his source for an interesting and extraordinary claim.
    Let him answer that for himself and not a patronizing half wit . like yourself .!

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  87. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    stephieboy, no I made no such claim regarding Jews. I posted a link to an article where a Jew made that claim.

    You posted nothing to support your claim, lied about known facts, and simply attempted to shoot the messenger. Your dishonesty when debating is breathtaking. Your statement re the media being an example.

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  88. Nookin (3,266 comments) says:

    The foreplay to the electoral campaign hit a new low today with the co-leader of the Green party converting the rejoinder Anne Tolly to a racist attack. I sincerely hope that every criticism will not attract this sort of response.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9667761/MPs-clothes-jibe-leads-to-racism-call

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  89. bc (1,365 comments) says:

    Paulus @ 8.33pm

    I’m not a fan of Helen Clark (particularly in her second and third terms), but she said no such thing.

    (people up-ticked it anyway of course)

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  90. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    I’m not a fan of Helen Clark (particularly in her second and third terms), but she said no such thing.

    I see we have another stephieboy on our hands… A liar.

    Coasters saw the nasty downside of Helen Clark’s “no-nonsense approach” when she called them “feral” and “inbred”, or genetically incapable of accepting Labour’s ban on logging native forests.

    ——–

    The Prime Minister went down to the West Coast, and called the people there feral and inbred.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=2050524

    http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/debates/debates/daily/47HansD_20040623/volume-618-week-60-wednesday-23-june-2004

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  91. RightNow (6,968 comments) says:

    Kea, several years ago this quote was thrashed out on KB. It was established (from memory) that she never called them inbred. Feral, yes, although I think that might have been taken a little out of context by Nick Smith.

    E.g:
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/feral_inbreds.html#comment-545006

    Might be other posts this was discussed too.

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  92. nasska (11,147 comments) says:

    bc

    From Kiwiblog:

    …..”Camus (5 comments) says:
    March 19th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Here’s the earliest print mention of “feral” I could find – no mention of inbred, or in-bred, in the full article – though that doesn’t necessarily settle the question, because it was quoted from a talkback interview rather than the West Coast Times:

    PM’S `FERAL’ COMMENT UPSETS WEST COASTERS.

    Greymouth, 14 April 2000, NZPA – West Coasters would strongly resent being described as “feral” by Prime Minister Helen Clark, lobby group Coast Action Network (CAN) chairman Barry Nicolle said today.

    Miss Clark made the comment yesterday on talkback radio after being questioned about the fight pro-logging groups have put up to the Government’s scrapping of the beech scheme on the West Coast…

    … Attitudes on the West Coast could be “fairly feral,” she said…”…..

    There’s more….read the full thread. Ref: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/feral_inbreds.html

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  93. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    Thanks guys. The sentiment is clear either way. Her hatred of working class hetrosexual males is famous and is what stokes the fire in her dark heart.

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  94. stephieboy (2,678 comments) says:

    Republican Michael Grimm looses it and threatens to throw a reporter off the balcony and ,” I’ll break you in half”,

    http://news.yahoo.com/-i-will-break-you-in-half—republican-congressmen-threatens-to-throw-reporter-off-balcony-during-interview-053744777.html

    This after probing and uncomfortable questions about Grimm’s election finances.

    PS ,kea, still Chuck Bird’s self appointed spokesman .?

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  95. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    stephieboy (437 comments) says:
    January 30th, 2014 at 6:32 pm,

    You expect us to believe that source ? The author is a well known nut job who haunts conspiracy sites. He wants “climate-deniers” thrown in prison.

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  96. Gulag1917 (852 comments) says:

    Freedom of association

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  97. lilman (951 comments) says:

    Most impressed by John Banks and his poverty speech,thats real poverty.

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  98. Pete George (23,429 comments) says:

    Has anyone else had any connection problems with Kiwiblog over the past couple of days? Someone has contacted me saying they haven’t been able to connect for two days from two computers and a mobile.

    “Network Access Message: The page cannot be displayed
    Explanation: The request timed out before the page could be retrieved.

    Technical Information (for support personnel)
    Error Code 10060: Connection timeout
    Background: The gateway could not receive a timely response from the website you are trying to access. This might indicate that the network is congested, or that the website is experiencing technical difficulties.
    Date: 30/01/2014 5:22:54 AM [GMT]
    Server: [redacted]
    Source: Firewall”

    Anyone else had anything similar?

    I haven’t had any problems here.

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  99. stephieboy (2,678 comments) says:

    Kea, you mean the nut job Eric Pliefferr here,?

    http://news.yahoo.com/author/eric-pfeiffer/

    Haunts Conspiracy sites.?

    Tell us more.?

    Meanwhile you’ll love this latest from Pat Condell about the religion of peace,

    How Gay is Islam, ?

    http://www.patcondell.net/how-gay-is-islam/

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  100. Gulag1917 (852 comments) says:

    PG
    I could not connect for 36-48 hours.

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  101. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    stephieboy, I discredit your source. Next I will respond to statements you never made to discredit you and distract from the argument. You made the rules.

    I have repeatedly told you I have seen all Pat Condell’s videos and are subscribed to his Youtube channel. “How Gay is Islam” is a personal favourite of mine.

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  102. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    Here is one about Saudi Arabia. You know, the ones who organised, financed and carried out the 9/11 attacks. The biggest financiers of radical Islam on the planet. The ones with hand chopping, women lashing, homo hanging, Sharia law.

    And the one who is an American friend from where they fly missions against Afghan peasants ! That place.

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  103. Pete George (23,429 comments) says:

    Gulag1917 – until when? Did it just start working again or did you change something at your end?

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  104. Gulag1917 (852 comments) says:

    PG
    I changed nothing and could not connect until one and a half hours ago. Was getting a site overloaded message.

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  105. nasska (11,147 comments) says:

    It could happen to anyone. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jslek3tojcmjn5u/mistake.jpg

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  106. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    nasska, yeah but look what is under the packaging :)

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=muslim+girl+v+american+girl&rlz=1C1GGGE_enNZ450NZ450&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=vPLpUoyPNcTKkwXtlYAg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1092&bih=508#q=beautiful+arab+girl&tbm=isch

    Compared with ….

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=muslim+girl+v+american+girl&rlz=1C1GGGE_enNZ450NZ450&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=vPLpUoyPNcTKkwXtlYAg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1092&bih=508#q=fat+american+woman&tbm=isch

    Clearly we are covering the wrong ones !

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  107. nasska (11,147 comments) says:

    You’re not wrong Kea….I’ve seen photos of Iranian women taken before the revolution & there was little to complain about.

    By way of contrast my nephew resides permanently in LA & he reckons that the ‘People of Walmart’ video clips actually flatter some of the America women.

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  108. Pete George (23,429 comments) says:

    Thanks Gulag. They have now reported that they can also suddenly connect ok.

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  109. nasska (11,147 comments) says:

    I was laughing at this woman trying for ages to parallel park a car when I suddenly realised how thoughtless I was being.

    So I called my mates to come watch – they loved it too.

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  110. bc (1,365 comments) says:

    Thanks for those links. I did remember the issue at the time.
    Based on DPF’s post it looks like Helen Clark’s actual words are lost in the mists of time. It would be great to find them, for the record and all that.
    However, in DPF’s kiwiblog post this bit sticks out:
    Attitudes on the West Coast could be “fairly feral,” she said.

    The issue was over poisoning of trees.

    So if that is all a right wing blog can find, I’d say Paulus comment which was this:
    When Helen Clark called the Westcoasters “Ferals and Inbreds”…

    is nothing close to what was actually said.

    1) Helen Clark seems to be commenting on the ATTITUDES of people who think it okay to poison trees as feral, not directly abusing them (like Slater did), and
    2) There is no mention of the word “inbred”.

    Now, it was the nasty side of Helen Clark that I couldn’t stand. This became more obvious in her last term when it was becoming obvious that she was losing favour with the country. In this case it is clear that the nasty side came out.
    But Paulus “quote” is wrong. Simple as that.
    And Helen Clark’s comment certainly can’t be compared to what Slater said. He is in a league of his own!

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  111. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    nasska, to avoid any problems I better show you this too ;)

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=beautiful+israeli+girl&rlz=1C1GGGE_enNZ450NZ450&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=pvjpUufoCsL1kQWa_oH4Bg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1092&bih=508

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  112. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    bc, what a load of mealy mouthed crap. You are insulting readers intelligence thinking they will buy that. It is crystal clear what Clark meant and what she said. She called Coasters “ferals”. End of story.

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  113. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Some of you whine about those of us who actually DO something?

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Here you go Kiwibloggers ;)

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/chastity-belt-protester-disrupts-auckland-council-meeting-5819257

    Penny Bright

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  114. nasska (11,147 comments) says:

    The men of the ME would be the most miserable, ugly goat molesting pack of war mongers you could ever clap eyes on Kea.

    But the women! :)

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  115. Steve (North Shore) (4,544 comments) says:

    8.10 post by the non-ratepayer.
    Now why is Ms Dim wearing safety glasses? Health and Safety regs in case someone throws shit at her?
    Oh man, she has this all worked out for the media intervention if an incident should happen.
    Get a fucking job and pay your Rates Penny Bright

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  116. Fletch (6,251 comments) says:

    Chuck you naturally have a link or source to substantiate that claim.?

    Here’s a list

    http://www.ranker.com/list/bill-clinton_s-loves-and-hookups/celebrityhookups

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_misconduct_allegations_against_Bill_Clinton

    We do know that Paula Jones sued him but it was settled out of court for $850,000

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  117. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    Penny, nice dress. Now down to business…

    This did not stop Ms Bright and another protester Lisa Prager giving their presentations as councillors and officials milled about the council chamber.

    Later, veteran protester Dick Cuthbert interrupted the meeting to hold up a chastity belt he had made for the mayor.

    The belt featured a yellow padlock with the word `wife’ on one side and `rates’ on the other, to symbolise the personal and public effect of Mr Brown’s affair

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11194215

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  118. bc (1,365 comments) says:

    Nope kea. She said their attitude towards poisoning trees was “fairly feral”. There is a difference. If you can’t see that, well so be it, I’m not going to spend all night arguing with you about it.

    Paulus also said she called them inbred, but in DPF’s post it was clear that this didn’t happen (or at least there is no evidence of it).

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  119. bc (1,365 comments) says:

    As DPF said in his post at the time, he prefers Clark’s “haters and wreckers” quote as the definite example of Clark at her nastiest.
    In that case Clark was abusing people. DPF sees the difference kea.

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  120. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Sorry ‘Steve’ – not while Auckland Council ‘books’ aren’t open and the Public Records Act 2005 s.17 is NOT being upheld.

    (Am still waiting for the Taxpayers Union to pick up this one – if they’re GENUINELY interested in ‘transparency’? )

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0040/latest/DLM345729.html

    (I actually have a ‘job’ – one that I chose myself – and I must be doing ok if what I’m doing is seemingly jamming YOUR apoplectic button on FULL? :)

    For more information on the UNPAID job that I do – try checking out:

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    PS: I’m now in my 60th year (not yet in my prime! ;) and now have the eyesight that tends to go with it……

    However – that hasn’t interfered with the operation of my mouth – so all is well.

    Have a GREAT night!

    (You’ve certainly helped make mine :)

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  121. OneTrack (2,979 comments) says:

    bc see Scoop 3May 2000

    “In response to a Parliamentary question Ms Clark said she would not apologise to Coasters for calling them ‘feral,’ ‘a Kentucky-like lynch mob’ and ‘in-bred.’

    “Ms Clark justified her abuse by saying West Coasters made nasty comments about Labour on placards.”

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  122. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    OneTrack, that is not a nice thing to say about the good working folk who invented the Labour party, while harvesting FOSSIL FUEL, is it ?

    The days of Labour representing the common working masses ended with Clark well and truly. They are now regarded as ignorant brutes by the left, in preference for vocal minorities.

    National is now the true working mans party and it is about time people like my dear old mum & dad realised that and updated their political ideas.

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  123. dime (9,806 comments) says:

    Kea – are you on twitter?

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  124. stephieboy (2,678 comments) says:

    Kea (10,057 comments) says:
    January 30th, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    Don’t worry am fully with familiar with Pat Condell’s take on Saudi Arabia though I would debate whether the Saudi Government itself was actually complicit in the 9/11 attacks,But never mind, we could go on forever on that one.
    But the main point about the video is that SA has a lot in common with other Islamic Counties in the ME, Take Iran for instance. There the same Sharia styled Laws against witchcraft, Gays, Apostasy , Women etc. In fact according to Pat Condell’s previous video they hang gays from cranes In Iran. In other Islamic states like SA they behead them, in others they stone them to death.
    Am interested and intrigued to know why you feel fit to apologize for Islam with these kind of fascist practices going on today in both countries. Or is it that you quake and fear of been called Islamic phobic.? Or do you in fact favour Theocracy over freedom.?
    Pat Condell assists us by looking furhter at the problem of modern Islam here,

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  125. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    Kea – are you on twitter?

    dime, no.

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  126. dime (9,806 comments) says:

    kea, do it. its hilarious and there is no such thing as demerits.. #unediteddime

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  127. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    “apologize for Islam”

    Here we fucking go again !

    Where have I “apologize for Islam” dipshit ? You just made that up because I posted some comments from Jews that you did not want heard. For the last time, write to the Israeli newspapers, not me.

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  128. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    dime, do you bait Redbaiter there ? :)

    I have to be bloody careful because of my job. I really only comment here and sometimes youtube.

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  129. dime (9,806 comments) says:

    red is on there, we chat!

    when you do sign up in a year or so and realise how funny it is, just remember good ole uncle dime tried to tell ya

    as for your job. how will you get busted? believe me, dime doesnt need his real identity out there!

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  130. stephieboy (2,678 comments) says:

    Kea I believe your not a very good communicator. You now despise Islam.?
    Correct.?
    Otherwise make up your mind once for all. Since Pat Condell doesn’t now appear represent your views on islam , who does.?

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  131. bc (1,365 comments) says:

    One Track @ 8.59pm
    That is a National Party press release.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0005/S00067.htm

    It’s still not the exact quote. And of course it is partisan by nature.

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  132. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    “You now despise Islam.?” Where did I say that either ?

    Still waiting for the answer as to when I ““apologize for Islam” BTW

    Put up or shut up ….

    “Since Pat Condell doesn’t now appear represent your views on islam”

    Did you read what I said idiot ?

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  133. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    dime, I have checked it out. I am sure it is fun, but I spend too much time on here, emails etc, as it is.

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  134. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    Kea: “I have repeatedly told you I have seen all Pat Condell’s videos and are subscribed to his Youtube channel. “How Gay is Islam” is a personal favourite of mine.”

    The reply !

    stephieboy

    Since Pat Condell doesn’t now appear represent your views on islam , who does.?

    Unlike others here you won’t see me throwing the term – Troll – around when challenged. However in your case it is pretty clear you are a troll, or too dishonest to be worth engaging.

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  135. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    Some of you may think Pat Condell is an anti-Muslim commentator after listening to stephieboy. I have to clear Pat’s name and explain that Pat is an atheist and dismisses all religion, including Judaism.

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  136. OneTrack (2,979 comments) says:

    bc -how about this?

    Hansard Archives:

    QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS May 03, 2000

    Hon. Tony Ryall: Noting the Prime Minister’s further comments in response to Dr Cullen’s remarks, in today’s Dominion, where she notes that women would seldom operate in this way, can she explain her reported descriptions of West Coasters as feral, a Kentucky-like lynch mob, and, according to some, inbred?

    Rt Hon. HELEN CLARK: Perhaps I could refer the member to placards prominently displayed on repeated television footage that stated: “Bugger Labour” and “Up Helen”.

    ….

    Owen Jennings: On reflection, does the Prime Minister think she should be apologising to West Coasters for describing them as a feral bunch and inbred; if not, why not?

    Rt Hon. HELEN CLARK: No.

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  137. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    OneTrack, the wretched Klarken Beast not only attacked the Coasters, staunch Labour supporters, but also laid into Maori calling them “haters and wreckers”. She so offended Maori that they broke away and formed NZ’s first race based party !

    And these were the people she was going to help if elected ! LOL :)

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  138. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    stephieboy, great to hear your a fan of the outspoken atheist Pat Condell and thanks for posting those vids about the Musims.

    Here is one he did about the Jews

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  139. stephieboy (2,678 comments) says:

    Now, Now Kea that is a little unfair. Yes Pat is an Atheist and abhors religious practice and especially in its extreme forms as with Radical and Fundamentalist Islam or any religion for that matter. Yes a he believes e.g that having Jerusalem for religious reasons whether Islamic, Christian or Judaic is not a good one.
    But that falls very short of his defending Israel’s right to exist which Pat has done consistently ,very clearly and persistently.The alternative of a Radical Islamic JIhaddist takeover is the stuff of nightmares in his estimation.
    But not apparently yours.?
    But here is something interesting. Fanatical, nutcase and radical UK based cleric Anjem Choudary who believes its a mistake to suggest that Islam is a religion of peace,

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  140. RightNow (6,968 comments) says:

    Turei claims racism:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9667761/MPs-clothes-jibe-leads-to-racism-call

    Tolley points out she’s actually calling her a hypocrite:
    “But don’t then lecture everyone else about poverty.”

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  141. hj (6,836 comments) says:

    The (Corrupt) Multicultural Left Is Totally In Charge of the University

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/03/the-multicultural-left-is-totally-in-charge-of-the-university/

    Google multiculturalism + arrogant left

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  142. Kea (11,967 comments) says:

    Seems only – some – of Pat’s videos are popular stephieboy. You better be careful what ones you post from now on. :)

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