General Debate 6 January 2014

January 6th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. hj (6,343 comments) says:

    Chris Laidlaw interviews Helen Clark.

    NZ looking from the outside has this fantastic reputation,… we are seen as model… gets on to economy, talks about loosing place and convergence. Priority is employment. “without question”. She stays way off house prices has she not noticed… or might that lead to the immigration policies she started ?
    “We need global development agenda.” Countries like China and India lifting people out of poverty. Increasingly we will seee the geography of those left behind being based upon, war, corruption, poor govenance.”…. we need to develop and we need good governance and it looks like the UN role to do that (at a global level). “Can’t ingore issues of rule of law; peace and justice”

    She says nothing about population or resource issues… all you need is love!

    The Global Migration Group (GMG) is a group consisting of fourteen UN agencies, the World Bank and the International Organisation for Migration that work in cooperation to address global migration issues. It was created in 2006 by then UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, in order to better coordinate multilateral migration governance initiatives.[1] The Group’s primary aim is to improve the management of cross-border migration, to promote further research and to develop international norms relating to migration.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Migration_Group

    At the global level, partly because migration is regarded as a politically sensitive issue, and partly due to lack of data, there has been a reluctance to develop anything similar to the MDG monitoring framework for migration and development. Since 2007, the Global Forum on Migration and Development has significantly raised awareness about the linkages between migration and development, but it has deliberately steered clear of trying to put in place any kind of monitoring system with agreed targets and indicators.
    //
    As a 2011 paper by the Overseas Development Institute/United Nations Development Programme (ODI/UNDP) put it: “Migration can bring huge gains to migrants, to source countries and to destination countries, but political pressures mean that migration is still highly restricted. One estimate has the potential gains to the global economy of liberalizing the movement of people at between 50 to 150 per cent of global GDP. These are astonishingly large numbers”.

    EU should ‘undermine national homogeneity’ says UN migration chief
    So some at the UN are chaffing at the bit to do away with borders and if you’re a left-wing MP in Aotearoa wanting a career path…?

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  2. NK (1,066 comments) says:

    Back at work today………..*grizzling*.

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  3. Manolo (13,333 comments) says:

    A good letter to the editor:
    Ship’s fate gives lie to global warming

    The irony of a ship sent to prove man-made global warming and becoming trapped in thick mid-summer ice has been entirely ignored by a media bending over backwards to avoid linking the ship’s inconvenient fate with its mission. The headlines would rather blare warnings of dire crises, environmental catastrophes, poverty, et cetera, than balanced reporting.

    No wonder so many young adults of today have such a gloomy view of the future. For those old enough to remember, the world’s poverty rate has halved in the past 20 years and the Western world is far cleaner and less polluted than it used to be. Global literacy rates are continually rising and the number of democracies has nearly doubled in the past 25 years.

    Also, since 2000, global income has increased by 25 per cent. Life expectancy has increased and healthcare, clean water and education are available to a far greater percentage of the world’s population than at any time in history.

    And despite the continued increase in CO2 (which is no more a pollutant than oxygen), there has been no global warming for 15 years at least.

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  4. hj (6,343 comments) says:

    Stoush over Jared Diamonds latest book: The World Until Yesterday
    Opponents don’t like the idea that tribal societies were in a constant state of warfare or were “primitive”.

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  5. Manolo (13,333 comments) says:

    The alarmist Huruld never rests: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11181770

    Last year was New Zealand’s second warmest on record and more above-average temperatures are in store this year, says climate scientist Dr Jim Salinger.

    The Auckland-based weather expert, author of the new book Living in a Warmer World, said warmer than average temperatures would continue long-term as the globe heats up.

    Jim Salinger, the discredited weather man now passing as “climate scientist” (whatever that means)?

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  6. Keeping Stock (10,095 comments) says:

    Spare a thought today for all those who support both the English cricket team and Manchester United :D

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  7. iMP (2,231 comments) says:

    hj, re Diamonds -exactly, like nineteenth-century Maori society (and the Celts & British before them). men, tribes, women and children all enthusiastically embracing Christianity as a way out of the cyclical cultural genocide and violence they were locked into as victims, and pleading with Queen Vic. for British citizenship and protection.

    It worked.

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  8. James Stephenson (2,015 comments) says:

    @KS – that red tick is from me mate. Cheeky sod :D

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  9. calendar girl (1,172 comments) says:

    Well played Australia and Swansea!

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  10. James Stephenson (2,015 comments) says:

    On the plus side, being back in the office means I finally have an excuse to stop trying to read The Luminaries.

    Honestly, it’s like travelling from Picton to Chch on the train, lovely scenery and all that, but after what seems like a lifetime you realise you’ve been motionless for half an hour and you’re not even at Kaikoura yet.

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  11. infused (636 comments) says:

    Back at work and it’s a cooking day. God dammit.

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  12. Manolo (13,333 comments) says:

    … and it’s a cooking day.

    Excellent opportunity to uncork a bottle of fine wine while perusing the recipe. Cooking is very enjoyable this way.

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  13. Keeping Stock (10,095 comments) says:

    @ James S – I thought you were from Yorkshire; aren’t Mancunians your sworn enemy?

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  14. EAD (585 comments) says:

    @ Manolo,

    It’s a scandal that this is not being wildly reported by “investigative journalists” in the “fiercely independent” media. Below is an absolute must read comment about that grubby little trip of “tourists” trapped by the ice:

    http://joannenova.com.au/2014/01/australian-taxpayers-will-pay-400000-cost-for-climate-scientists-ship-stuck-in-ice-total-cost-millions/#comment-1365544

    The last 3 paragraphs:

    “This is the largest, most blatant, fraudulent misuse of public funds in my lifetime. That they were funds allocated from the Education Budget at a time when we are being asked to throw even more billions into that socialist-controlled cesspit just makes it even more astounding.

    That this fraud was an attempt to use Australian taxpayer’s funds to produce a climate change propaganda film to be used by the ABC and BBC, both publicly-funded bodies themselves, just adds to the indignation. That the effort has now led to the ruination of not one, but three countries’ Antarctic research for this year, simply heaps on more shame. That the entire disgusting sham was hidden from public view by outright lies propagated as “news” by the ABC, adds a completely new dimension to the concept of dishonesty.

    But as outstandingly disgusting as all those facts are, none of them represent the absolute bottom of the sewer. That place is indisputably reserved for the members of our duly elected “conservative” government, who individually and collectively have managed to remain totally silent as all this has unfolded. Ten days of drama and revelation of wrongdoing involving millions of dollars and with ongoing international ramifications, and not so much as a peep”

    This should be in every newspaper.

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  15. iMP (2,231 comments) says:

    James Stephenson, yes re The Luminaries. A bit like Kerry Hume’s Booker the Bone People. Worthy and erudiate, but no one reads it, unless you’re stuck on a ship n Antarctica.

    My wife and I travel on planes a lot; and the best test of whether a book is good or not, is how many copies we see people reading in planes or airports. So far NOT ONE Luminaries.

    There are jokes doing the rounds : 101 uses for The Luminaries, none of which is read it.

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  16. iMP (2,231 comments) says:

    I guess that’s just the cynical Kiwi Tall Poppy Syndrome at work. We seem to hate success unless its the ABs.

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  17. James Stephenson (2,015 comments) says:

    I couldn’t care less about “Premiership” football, but I work for an Aussie-based company and this Ashes series has been extremely painful.

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  18. hj (6,343 comments) says:

    Chris Trotter sees people escaping to our rural heartland as escapees fleeing our social responsibilities. The poor are like zombies we want them killed of (John Key will do it).

    The middle-classes have never been great believers in “the essential goodness of human nature”. Theirs is a strange, Lamarckian faith in which the benefits of fresh air and sunlight, parental wealth and a well-ordered middle-class existence are passed down as heritable genetic drivers. The same claim is made (albeit negatively reversed) about those raised in poverty and deprivation.

    In Michael Laws’ version of Lamarckian sociology, the viciousness and rapaciousness of one deprived generation is inevitably passed down to the next. Hence his insistence that the rapidly expanding (and incorrigibly “feral”) underclass be legally prevented from reproducing.

    Those who are perplexed by the current popularity of “zombie” movies and television series need wonder no longer. For those raised in the morally inert climate of neoliberal economics, the poor’s resemblance to the flesh-eating monster is indisputable. The ideological leap from “Welfare State” to “Zombie Nation” is not a large one. Just substitute “the taxpayers’ dollars” for “human flesh” and you’re there.

    Though they would undoubtedly deny it if you suggested to the people leaving the Black Barn Vineyard’s Growers’ Market every Saturday morning that, in their heart-of-hearts, they see the National Party leader, John Key, as their Fearless Zombie Slayer, I strongly suspect that they do. Who else can realistically promise to protect their flesh/incomes from being continually garnished to satisfy the zombies’/welfare beneficiaries’ insatiable appetite? Who is better placed, through rampant house-price inflation, to keep the poor as far from the middle-classes’ front doors as possible? Whose policies will more effectively assist the middle-classes’ acquire the tax-free capital-gains necessary to escape the zombie-infested cities for the zombie-free zones of Heartland New Zealand?

    thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/12/30/means-of-escape-examining-the-heartland-myth/

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  19. hj (6,343 comments) says:

    Just to be clear:
    I don’t think the middle classes feel responsible for the zombies (not to the degree Trotter claims) and the reasons for heading to the country can be found in our evolutionary roots.

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  20. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    iMP

    But that’s so normal for a Booker winner.

    But what can you say about a literary award that has “Earthly Powers” as a runner up

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  21. OneTrack (2,579 comments) says:

    “The poor are like zombies we want them killed of (John Key will do it).”

    What does he mean by killed off – does he mean that they will be encouraged to improve themselves ( ie study, work hard) and then, horror, they might see there is a life beyond the benefit. They might not even vote Labour. And then where would we be?

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  22. hj (6,343 comments) says:

    iMP (1,897 comments) says:

    hj, re Diamonds -exactly, like nineteenth-century Maori society (and the Celts & British before them). men, tribes, women and children all enthusiastically embracing Christianity as a way out of the cyclical cultural genocide and violence they were locked into as victims, and pleading with Queen Vic. for British citizenship and protection.
    ……………………
    I’m reading a book by this man and it seems British Christians carried out their own jihad (went way too far) in India
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/may/10/comment.india

    Augustus Earle A Narrative Of Nine Months Residence In New Zealand found the captains of the whaling ships were a more civilising influence than the missionaries.

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  23. Jack5 (4,569 comments) says:

    NZ’s hysterical attitude towards nuclear-powered ships is worth reflecting on as the US Coast Guard comes to the rescue of the two ice-trapped ships in Antarctica: China’s Xue Long and Russia’s Akademik Shokalskiy.

    US Coast Guard icebreakers supporting US (and NZ) Antarctic research formerly used NZ for ports of call. When NZ turned anti-nuclear, with the “are you nuclear?” demand on US vessels, the US Coast Guard icebreakers on Antarctic duty substituted Hobart as southern base.

    The Polar Star, which is on its way to rescue the Akademik Shokalskiy and the Xue Long, is not nuclear powered, but interestingly Russia’s most powerful ice breakers, which keep routes clear in the Arctic are nuclear powered, and Russia is building a nuclear super icebreaker.

    Here’s what Wikipedia says of these:

    The ice in central parts of the Arctic Ocean is on average 2.5 metres (8.2 ft) thick. [Russian] Nuclear-powered icebreakers can force through this ice at speeds up to 10 knots (19 km/h, 12 mph). In ice-free waters the maximum speed of the nuclear-powered icebreakers is as much as 21 knots (39km/h, 2 mph).

    In August 2012 Russia’s state-owned nuclear corporation, Rosatom, signed a contract to begin construction on what will be the world’s largest nuclear icebreaker, a “universal” vessel that could navigate both shallower rivers and the freezing depths of the Arctic.

    Where would NZ be in the Antarctica without the support of the US Coast Guard which facilitates the supply of heavy supplies to McMurdo and Scott base?

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  24. hj (6,343 comments) says:

    The Forward Policy soon developed an evangelical flavour. The new conservatives wished to impose not only British laws but also western values on India. The country would be not only ruled but redeemed. Local laws which offended Christian sensibilities were abrogated – the burning of widows, for instance, was banned. One of the East India Company directors, Charles Grant, spoke for many when he wrote of how he believed providence had brought the British to India for a higher purpose: “Is it not necessary to conclude that our Asiatic territories were given to us, not merely that we draw a profit from them, but that we might diffuse among their inhabitants, long sunk in darkness, the light of Truth?”
    The British progressed from removing threatening Muslim rulers to annexing even the most pliant Islamic states. In February 1856 they marched into Avadh, also known by the British as Oudh. To support the annexation, a “dodgy dossier” was produced before parliament, so full of distortions and exaggerations that one British official who had been involved in the operation described the parliamentary blue book (or paper) on Oudh as “a fiction of official penmanship, [an] Oriental romance” that was refuted “by one simple and obstinate fact”, that the conquered people of Avadh clearly “preferred the slandered regime” of the Nawab “to the grasping but rose-coloured government of the company”.

    The reaction to this came with the great mutiny, or as it is called in India, the first war of independence. Though it reflected many deeply held political and economic grievances, particularly the feeling that the heathen foreigners were interfering with a part of the world to which they were alien, the uprising was consistently articulated as a defensive action against the inroads missionaries and their ideas were making in India, combined with a generalised fight for freedom from western occupation.

    Although the great majority of the sepoys were Hindus, there are many echoes of the Islamic insurgencies the US fights today in Iraq and Afghanistan. In Delhi a flag of jihad was raised in the principal mosque, and many of the resistance fighters described themselves as mujahideen or jihadis. There was even a regiment of “suicide ghazis” who vowed to fight until they met death.

    Events reached a climax on September 14 1857, when British forces attacked the besieged city. They proceeded to massacre not only the rebel sepoys and jihadis, but also the ordinary citizens of the Mughal capital. In one neighbourhood alone, Kucha Chelan, 1,400 unarmed citizens were cut down. Delhi, a sophisticated city of half a million souls, was left an empty ruin.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/may/10/comment.india

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  25. Longknives (4,411 comments) says:

    I have a contact who works for a major retail chain- She confirms that all the hype and propaganda about that smug Canadian’s novel (” The Luminaries will be under EVERY kiwi’s Christmas tree this year” etc etc) was just that. Apparently it had a very minor spike in sales then fizzed out.
    I wonder how long we have to put up with this dreadful Eleanor Catton character for?

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  26. Longknives (4,411 comments) says:

    “I guess that’s just the cynical Kiwi Tall Poppy Syndrome at work. We seem to hate success unless its the ABs.”

    I don’t know about that IMP- There are plenty of us who can’t stand the deluded arrogance of the self-professed ‘Greatest Sports Team in the History of the Universe’ !
    Honestly, what jumped-up wankers…..

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  27. Jack5 (4,569 comments) says:

    Adding to my 9.26 post on the rescue of the ice-trapped Antarctic ships.

    More on nuclear icebreakers from a Bloomberg article 13 months ago, this time about Russia’s nuclear-powered icebreakers, specifically one called Arktika:

    The Arktika was launched in 1975 and two years later became the first surface ship to reach the North Pole, where the mean thickness of the ice is 3 to 4 meters. This icebreaker once spent a year at sea without putting into port — another advantage of atomic power — and its reactors were not finally shut down until 2008.

    The article says Norilsk Nickel, the vast Russian mining and smelting combine, plans to build its own fleet of ice-beating freighters. “These are ‘double- acting ships,’ which move forward normally until impeded by ice, then turn around and go happily backward.”

    The US Coast Guard does not appear to have any nuclear-powered icebreakers, though the US Navy has more than 80 nuclear-powered ships, none of them icebreakers. The U.S. Navy claims to have nearly 5500 “reactor years” of accident-free experience.

    If NZ wants to have any influence on Antarctica, it could do much worse than get the Russians to build it a nuclear icebreaker.

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  28. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    An early look at Party prospects for 2014 (with a possible surprise wild card) and Election prediction 2014 #1.

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  29. Manolo (13,333 comments) says:

    Easy on the ABs, Longknives. Super 15 is only five or six weeks away. :-)

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  30. Nostalgia-NZ (4,898 comments) says:

    PEB: I read a small sample of the booker winner found it a little overburdened in detail, good work for a young writer but a little too literary to my taste; wouldn’t feature for me along side ‘The Scarecrow,’ or even ‘Cowboy Dog,’ or of something of similar literary style ‘The Vinter’s Luck.’ Heading in that ‘stretched’ out direction of detail Graeme Green or Gabriel Marguez would be essential reading. Still a mighty effort. For 2 out of 2 we have booker winners that some readers find a little difficult to penetrate.

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  31. MH (624 comments) says:

    The US Coast Guard is part of the US Armed Services and therefore its ships/boats/cutters down to rigid inflatables comes under the refrain “neither confirm nor deny” whether they are carrying nukes,even to this day hence there will be no US naval vessels in our ports under current legislation,however as to their Air force planes in CHch with McMurdoe operations that is another story…and as to Key holidaying in one of the biggest naval bases in the world or our naval ships securing there…I can’t possibly comment.

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  32. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    A good letter to the editor:
    Ship’s fate gives lie to global warming

    Heh, a ship getting stuck in some ice is all the evidence that deniers need to prove the non-existence of AGW.

    Figures.

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  33. Manolo (13,333 comments) says:

    … that some readers find a little difficult to penetrate.

    Wait for dime.

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  34. Nostalgia-NZ (4,898 comments) says:

    Poor Eleanor she was having so much fun ,,, till now.

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  35. Reid (15,917 comments) says:

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/12/video-do-bean-plants-show-intelligence.html

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  36. Manolo (13,333 comments) says:

    Fatty Hil makes an announcement: http://drudgereport.com/flash3b.htm

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  37. Reid (15,917 comments) says:

    Heh, a ship getting stuck in some ice is all the evidence that deniers need to prove the non-existence of AGW.

    It’s the ‘looks like propaganda, talks like propaganda’ bit that does it for me Scott.

    e.g: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2014/01/02/frozen-out-98-stories-ignore-ice-bound-ship-was-global-warming-missi

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  38. Rowan (1,778 comments) says:

    http://tvnz.co.nz/cricket-news/clarke-praises-aussie-attack-world-s-best-5792014

    Lets not get ahead of yourself Michael, this was a very poor england side, these guys were also part of your 3-0 and 4-0 spankings in England and India which was labelled the weakest australian side in a long side, yes Australia played well and these guys bowled well, but this is one series and this does not make them the “worlds best” overnight. The SA pair of Steyn and Philander are currently not rated No 1 and 2 test bowlers by the ICC for nothing, Lets see if they can back up in SA or will it be like in the last couple of years where they were thoroughly spanked in subsequent overseas tours.

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  39. James Stephenson (2,015 comments) says:

    For 2 out of 2 we have booker winners that some readers find a little difficult to penetrate.

    It’s nothing to do with “our” authors, and everything to do with the sort of books that win prizes. Strictly for the type of person that comments over at Dim Post ;)

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  40. OneTrack (2,579 comments) says:

    Scott – You must admit that a shipload of climate warmists in a voyage to the antartic, fully pimped out with news teams to show the horrors of receding ice, did encounter an inconvenient truth of an unexpected kind when their ship became locked in ice. Maybe they should have got a weather forecast first?

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  41. Fletch (6,004 comments) says:

    yes re The Luminaries. A bit like Kerry Hume’s Booker the Bone People. Worthy and erudiate, but no one reads it,

    When I was in the 7th Form at high school (many years ago now), we had to read the Bone People for English class. It was a big thing at the time, of course. We were all dished out a copy (almost as thick as a Bible) and I lugged the dead weight around in my school bag for weeks. I attempted to read it, but never got past the first few chapters.

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  42. Ryan Sproull (7,027 comments) says:

    I recently learned that the term “Tall Poppy Syndrome” is particular to Australia and New Zealand.

    I think it’s an embarrassment that sneering at excellence is so common in our culture that we have a special name for it.

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  43. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    “I attempted to read it, but never got past the first few chapters.”

    Similar for me and The Hobbit – I didn’t make it past the first few pages. I only ever read Shakespeare because I had to, never for enjoyment. I got very bored reading the Bible and didn’t make it far through either.

    Each to their own preferences.

    That is reflected on Amazon where The Luminaries gets many good reviews and rates 4 out of 5 stars but a significant minority just didn’t like it.

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  44. Reid (15,917 comments) says:

    I recently learned that the term “Tall Poppy Syndrome” is particular to Australia and New Zealand.

    The term may be but the sentiment is not: e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

    …it goes against the town’s communal desire to preserve harmony, social stability and uniformity.

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  45. dime (9,378 comments) says:

    The Luminaries – isnt it about a hooker on the west coast in the 1800′s?

    how can that be boring?

    maybe ill just wait for the porn version

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  46. Fletch (6,004 comments) says:

    The U.S Govt becoming more totalitarian. It is now targetting those who want to be self-sufficient; who grow their own vegetables, use solar power, and live on their own land. oh no, you can’t do that! Everyone must be beholden’ to the Govt in some way.

    [Self sufficiency] was the goal for hundreds of residents living on the outskirts of Los Angeles. Many own their land outright and have been living on it for decades without so much as a peep from their local government. They’ve built their homes using whatever means they had available to them. They planted their own fruits and vegetables. They even set up their own personal power production stations using solar panels and miniature wind farms.

    And they’ve lived peacefully without violating the rights of those around them and leaving a very small “carbon footprint” to boot. For all intents and purposes, they achieved a life of independence and freedom.

    But the tentacles of tyranny are everywhere and no one is protected from their grasp.

    Recently, agents of the Los Angeles county government started paying visits to these rugged individualists. They claimed they were “here to help,” as one resident puts it. But, as is generally the case when the government comes knocking, they were there for exactly the opposite.

    What was once a dream come true for many quickly turned into the new American nightmare.

    Code enforcement agents for the county showed up in droves. But they didn’t come alone. Along with them came heavily armed “Nuisance Abatement Teams” who raided the homes and land of these peaceful residents as they would those of a terrorist.

    The collection of rugged individualists who [want to live here] are being chased away.

    Last year the county began performing unannounced inspections on his property.

    Gallow says he cooperated with the county – clearing brush, then moving his shed, then getting rid of his motor home.

    Finally, the county made a demand that shocked him.

    “They told me… you have to get off the property. I said get off the property?’ They said ‘yeah, you can’t live here.’ ”

    Gallow says county officials told him that neighbors, whom they would not identify, had complained about unsightly structures on his property.

    He could keep his land, they told him, but would not be allowed to live on it.

    “I said, for what? My closest neighbor is half a mile away. We’re not living in Beverly Hills here, this is my home. All of sudden you got police at my front door – bullet proof vests, guns, and then they surrounded the place. Everything I worked for was just melting away from me.”

    “I don’t know where I’m going to go.”

    http://joeforamerica.com/2014/01/gov-swat-teams-target-rugged-individuals-grow-food-produce-electricity/
    http://x.co/3Ynfg

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  47. EAD (585 comments) says:

    @ Onetrack – that inconvenient truth line made me spill my coffee!

    Global Warming for some is the new religion:

    - It is suffused with hatred for the material world and again, like religion, it requires devotion rather than intellectual rigour from its adherents.
    - It is intolerant of dissent; those who question the message of doom are regarded as heretics, or ‘climate change deniers’, to use green parlance.
    - Just as in many religions, the route to personal salvation lies in the performance of superstitious rituals, such as changing a lightbulb or arranging for a tree to be planted after every plane journey.
    – Religions build grand places of worship. Global warming alarmists promote the construction of windmills and solar farms that produce uneconomic and intermittent electricity.

    The truth is that for the majority of the believers of this new religion is that they are not friends of freedom and are in fact authoritarian Statists.

    The green agenda means more control, more regulation, more taxes, more summits, and more opportunities for displays of self-important zeal. Politicians love it.

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  48. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    did encounter an inconvenient truth of an unexpected kind when their ship became locked in ice.

    What inconvenient truth?

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  49. KevinH (1,131 comments) says:

    I purchased a hardback copy of the Luminaries as a Xmas gift for myself and am looking forward to reading it in the New Year, I will read it slowly to enjoy every paragraph. More often than not, the best novels are about relationships and the Luminaires fits that description.
    The Bone People by Kerry Hume was also a fascinating insight into the lives of a couple caring for an autistic child, the highs the lows and the challenges they faced. At the time the book was truly original and a brave discourse on an otherwise historically taboo subject matter, the book also paved the way for other New Zealander authors to critically examine the New Zealand psyche.

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  50. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    “What inconvenient truth?”

    That Chris Turney and his fellow travelers are morons.

    “a ship getting stuck in some ice is all the evidence that deniers need to prove the non-existence of AGW”

    Yes, it’s so simple. Chris Turney is representative of AGW and the ice is denialism. Ice wins.

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  51. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    How’s this for an inconvenient truth:

    10 of the hottest years on record have occurred since 2001.

    Think that beats some ship getting stuck in ice.

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  52. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    “10 of the hottest years on record have occurred since 2001.”

    Isn’t it great how there can still exist a cooling trend since 2001.
    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/wti/from:2001/trend

    All of my tallest years have happened since I stopped growing.

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  53. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    Isn’t it great how there can still exist a cooling trend since 2001.

    Pfft, according to some anonymous nut.

    The source I gave was NOAA.

    You lose.

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  54. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    RightNow, I think climate change will still be going on long after you’ve shrunk, shriveled and decomposed. Climate doesn’t grow, reach maturity and then die.

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  55. Longknives (4,411 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/9580407/Japanese-whalers-in-NZ-waters

    Problem being- Sea Shepherd…Is that you have been caught out time and time again telling porkies.
    Ever heard of the little activist who cried wolf??

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  56. Manolo (13,333 comments) says:

    “I think climate change will still be going on long after you’ve shrunk, shriveled and decomposed.”

    Corrected for you.

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  57. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    The U.S Govt becoming more totalitarian.

    Well after Obama arranged the Navy Yard shooting to to stop the Navy from arresting him for treason after having discovered his plans to detonate a nuclear weapon in the middle of Washington somewhere in order to justify military action in Syria, make marines wear girlie hats all while maintaining contact with alien life who woulda thunk he’d have the time to target those who want to be self-sufficient’
    //

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  58. Jimbob (640 comments) says:

    North America is currently being frozen to Antarctica proportions. The coldest in over forty years. How can this be, Al Gore is such a honest fellow. It is so puzzling, could Jim Salinger’s spiel in today’s Horid just be a coincidence?
    That guy never gives up.

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  59. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    Wife beater punches baby by mistake

    A man accidentally punched his infant son in the head – leading to a hospital admission for observation – while assaulting his partner.

    …When she went outside to wait, Jarden grabbed her, dragged her back into the house and punched her three or four times to the side of the head.

    The boy she was holding was hit on the side of the head during the assault, which caused the mother to stumble. Police were then called. Jarden left but was found soon after and arrested.

    The woman had swelling to her head and a headache, and the child had a large red bump to the left side of the face. He was admitted to Rotorua Hospital for observation, said Sergeant Scott.

    Jarden said he had not meant to hurt the child.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/southern/9580558/Wife-beater-punches-baby-by-mistake

    Hurting the child may have been a mistake but assaulting the mother while she was holding the child seems to have been with deliberate intent to hurt the mother, which is hardly less disgraceful, especially as it put the children at reckless risk.

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  60. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    Jimbob, it’s quite simple. If the planet warms, as a substantial amount of evidence suggests it is, then more extreme weather events (hot and cold) are expected. That’s simple science.

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  61. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    Pete: I’m speechless: not even a link back to your place.

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  62. Manolo (13,333 comments) says:

    I blame colonialism for the attack on the baby.
    The poor savage father was traumatised by centuries of oppression and didn’t know what we was punching.

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  63. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    ciaron – you must be as observantless as you are speechless if that surprises you.

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  64. Manolo (13,333 comments) says:

    Jimbob, it’s quite simple. If the planet warms, as a substantial amount of evidence suggests it is, then more extreme weather events (hot and cold) are expected. That’s simple science.

    Give that man two Nobel Prizes: Chemistry and Physics. Immediately.

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  65. Manolo (13,333 comments) says:

    Another beast in the making: http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/9578611/Riot-act-read-to-teen-host

    Police in full riot gear shut down the party after up to 200 revellers began breaking windows and throwing bottles on New Year’s Eve.

    It was the second time in less than a week that a party at the house in Frankleigh St, Spreydon, had to be shut down by police after getting out of control.

    Taylor Te Kata, 17, lives with his friend in the house, which is owned by his father. He told The Press last week that he did not plan to apologise to irate neighbours.

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  66. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    The poor savage father was traumatised by centuries of oppression and didn’t know what we was punching.

    I hope that’s not a Freudian slip there Manolo.

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  67. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    But here’s one for you ciaron, just in case you’re missing them: http://yournz.org/2014/01/06/from-journalist-to-celebrity/

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  68. Manolo (13,333 comments) says:

    Not Freudian, but a slip indeed. You’re so perceptive, P.G.
    Thank you for the correction. He, not we, was intended.

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  69. hj (6,343 comments) says:

    The coldest in over forty years. How can this be,
    …..
    because there is more energy in the atmosphere; it melts and transports further south?

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  70. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    Pete George (20,372 comments) says:
    January 6th, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    RightNow, I think climate change will still be going on long after you’ve shrunk, shriveled and decomposed. Climate doesn’t grow, reach maturity and then die.

    Absolutely agree Pete, the climate has been changing since Earth began, and will do so long after we’ve shuffled off. That the Earth hasn’t fried to a crisp already would be quite surprising to me if I believed a few parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere could cause it to do so.

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  71. Fletch (6,004 comments) says:

    Jimbob, it’s quite simple. If the planet warms, as a substantial amount of evidence suggests it is, then more extreme weather events (hot and cold) are expected. That’s simple science.

    Funny then how extreme weather is generally becoming less extreme. Last year there were less tornadoes, hurricanes, droughts, wildfires, and so on.

    Whether you’re talking about tornadoes, wildfires, extreme heat or hurricanes, the good news is that weather-related disasters in the US are all way down this year compared to recent years and, in some cases, down to historically low levels.
    To begin with, the number of tornadoes in the US this year is on pace to be the lowest total since 2000 and it may turn out to be the lowest total in several decades. The table below lists the number of tornadoes in the US for this year (through 10/17) and also for each year going back to 2000.
    (Source: NOAA, http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/online/monthly/newm.html)

    Second, the number of wildfires across the US so far this year is on pace to be the lowest it has been in the past ten years and the acreage involved is at the second lowest level in that same time period (table below).
    (Source: National Interagency Fire Center; http://www.nifc.gov/)

    In addition to wildfires, extreme heat is also way down across the US this year. In fact, the number of 100 degree days across the country during 2013 is not only down for this year, but it is perhaps going to turn out to be the lowest in about 100 years of records.

    The five summers with the highest number of 100 degree days across the US are as follows: 1936, 1934, 1954, 1980 and 1930. In addition to the vast reduction in 100 degree days across the US this year, the number of high temperature records (ie hi max and hi min records) is way down compared to a year ago with 22,965 records this year as compared with 56,885 at this same time last year.
    (Source: NOAA, http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/; through 10/17).

    http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/10/18/new-study-2013-ranks-as-one-of-the-least-extreme-us-weather-years-ever-many-bad-weather-events-at-historically-low-levels/

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/05/08/sorry-global-warmists-but-extreme-weather-events-are-becoming-less-extreme/

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  72. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    » Agencies too slow in destroying shared data

    Kiwis’ private information is being mishandled by government agencies, which break their own rules when sharing people’s details.

    Reports from the Office of the Privacy Commissioner reveal agreements between Government agencies to share personal information have been “non-compliant” and have had “substantial issues”.

    Several agencies have been caught holding on to the information of hundreds of thousands of people after they had previously agreed to destroy it.

    The Ministry of Justice was caught three times over a year holding on to personal information of fine dodgers it had received from Immigration New Zealand, Inland Revenue and the Ministry of Social Development. The details the ministry was meant to destroy included cellphone numbers, passport details and employment records.

    In another report, the Ministry of Health was criticised for incorrectly retaining death records and running the risk of assuming someone alive was dead.

    In another, the Ministry of Social Development was caught tracking people using their tax numbers, which is illegal under the Privacy Act

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9578640/Agencies-too-slow-in-destroying-shared-data

    This is huge conspiracy from the National govt. I bet no one else pasted this article today on this blog. Will Mr farrar ignor it because he will know about it.

    Don’t tell me there are no conspiracies pffffffff

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  73. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    Fletch, you can’t claim “generally becoming less extreme” just because “Last year there were” which in the article is “in the US this year” – one country and one year does not make your case.

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  74. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    Actually Pete, once again you have a firm grasp of the wong end of this particular stick (sorry about the mixed metaphor).
    I am speechless that anyone can get themselves into a state where they don’t think: hey, if I punch her repeatedly while she’s holding the bayby, I might hit the baby – and that would be a bad thing.
    But you go right on thinking that you know everything.

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  75. edhunter (491 comments) says:

    wiki some might say there should be more information sharing between govt depts, having their hands tied by red tape is really rather inefficient.
    And doesn’t Kate look like her mother, I almost feel sorry for her, poor girl.

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  76. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    I found it amusing to hear discussion about foul language on Newstalk ZB this morning. It seems somewhat ironic that this medium employ and promote the most disgusting foul-mouthed talkback host this country has ever heard, Corkery. Along with Bradford, it seems if one has a known radical left background, the door is open for work. Also see the Fairfax losers still have their poster boy, Slobcom on view . . . must be some kind of fetish of the editor.

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  77. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    ciaron -I got the wrong end of your stick because you used the wrong end of your stick to try and beat me over (not) linking whereas you really meant some other criticism.

    I don’t think I know everything. For example I admit have no idea why you would comment about a non-link that had nothing to do with the topic when you really meant something quite different – which I admit I don’t really know what your point is.

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  78. Manolo (13,333 comments) says:

    Colourful Africa: http://www.360nobs.com/2014/01/pastor-drowns-to-death-after-trying-to-walk-on-water/

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  79. Ashley Schaeffer (404 comments) says:

    And doesn’t Kate look like her mother, I almost feel sorry for her, poor girl.

    Katie Bradford has a terrible speaking voice. Her reports should be restricted to print. Whoever thought it was a good idea to put her on television needs to be moved on. And Bradford is not the only female reporter for One News that spiks nu zuld and looks like a possum caught in headlights on screen. There was a brunette – name escapes me – filling in over Xmas with Jack Tame who didn’t seem able to pronounce her R’s properly, very distracting. The likes of Katie Bradford, et al, causes One News to come across as very amateur at times.

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  80. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘I found it amusing to hear discussion about foul language on Newstalk ZB this morning. ‘

    Switch to Radio Live

    Hay and Fagan are the best. Should be back on air shortly

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  81. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    Aha! I see the point of confusion. My first comment is incomplete (I hate having to do work while surfing Kiwiblog).
    What I ment to convey was that I was speechless about the story, and surprised you weren’t linking back to yours to further the discussion. My bad.

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  82. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    Ah, that make sense now.

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  83. dirty harry (417 comments) says:

    Yes watching Katie Bradford parrot the news is about as enjoyable as having ones anus hairs pulled. She is a hideous specimen.

    Same goes with that weirdo Matt McLean…I swear he is on speed most days.

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  84. lilman (883 comments) says:

    Just saw on Whale oil a post saying there was a street in Pukekohe called Len Brown place.
    As it says imagine giving your address to ,police,shop,taxman,lawyer or anyone,god how embarrassing

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  85. dime (9,378 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11182044

    russell packer gets two years for punching someone. seems a tad harsh!

    was the guy he hit 70? king hit?

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  86. dirty harry (417 comments) says:

    Good job. They know how to dish out fair justice in aussie. Had it been NZ with its joke justice system, he would have been given supervision.

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  87. dime (9,378 comments) says:

    ok, duncan garner retweeted this:

    “Russell Packer hit bloke after argument over cigarettes. Continued to hit him while he was motionless on ground & stomped on his head. Sick.”

    if thats what happened then he is a piece of shit and he got off light

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  88. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    Packer punched a man in the face multiple times and stomped on his head as he lay motionless on the ground.

    The victim suffered two fractured bones to his face.

    Magistrate Greg Grogan said the 24-year-old’s behaviour was cowardly and deplorable and sentenced him to two years’ jail.

    The sentence came as a surprise to Packer’s lawyer, who told Mr Grogan he had “absolutely no idea” he was considering jail time.

    Packer appeared stunned as two corrective services officers led him out of the courtroom.

    Packer’s legal team indicated it would appeal the sentence.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Ex-Warrior-Russell-Packer-jailed-for-two-years-after-Sydney-assault/tabid/415/articleID/327337/Default.aspx

    It shouldn’t have been a surprise that thuggery like that might cop a jail sentence.

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  89. dime (9,378 comments) says:

    PG – he must have gone cheap and got a crap lawyer.

    what is there to appeal?? he pleaded guilty.

    I hope he appeals and they whack on an extra year.

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  90. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    Appealing the sentence. That’s often a first reaction, don’t know how often it’s not carried through with. It doesn’t say if his “legal team” had consulted with Packer.

    Mitigating circumstances can be argued in a fight, but sticking the boot in when someone’s down is very difficult to argue against. Out of control.

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  91. dime (9,378 comments) says:

    you have to be a fucking animal to put the boot in. thats how people die.

    must be weird, turn up for court thinking youre gonna have to pay a fine.. end up getting lead out, see ya in two years! gonna be hard listening to the NRL in prison while thinking – FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

    im sure he will make it back though. professional sport has no issues hiring pieces of garbage

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  92. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    Of similar nastiness is what is being reported as a spate thuggery with a Kiwi latest king-hit victim in Sydney

    Alex McEwen, 19, potentially faces months of rehabilitation after he suffered a a fractured skull, brain bleeding and spinal damage during the attack outside a McDonald’s restaurant in Penrith.

    He and his brother Lance McEwen-Henderson, 21, were standing on a one-metre high wall when they were approached by a man about 1.30am, local media reported.

    The man, Corey Beard, 21, allegedly punched both brothers, knocking Alexander over the wall, causing him to hit his head and lose consciousness.

    As well as the assault, Beard is charged with possession of steroids found in his home.

    A bit odd though, it wouldn’t be easy to king hit someone on a meter high wall. But meathead, macho and alcohol are a very dangerous mix.

    But there’s a twist, apparently:

    @djohannsenNZH

    Good grief. Some NRL players have started a “free Packer” hashtag. Probably best they steer well clear of twitter at times like this.

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  93. RF (1,263 comments) says:

    igm. 1.58pm. Agree.. Corkery is a foul mouthed trollop. Every time I hear that slapper on the radio I quickly change stations.

    Both her and the guy she is on with at present are so left wing I am surprised that the Silent T is not their permanent guest speaker.

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  94. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    Whoops, mixed stories, but sure enough:

    @PitaGodinet

    That’s Bullcrap!!! Sentence for 2 years.. EATARSEE!!!! #FreePacker..

    - favourited 11 times.

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  95. alex Masterley (1,490 comments) says:

    Packer is an idiot and a thug.

    Our problem is that he will get sent back to us the Aussie authorities when he does his time or evenif his appeal is successful.

    And on top of that i can’t see the NRL registering any contract he signs with anyone. so he has stuffed up his career and life in a moment of stupidity.

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  96. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    It may have been “a moment of stupidity” but Packer put himself into a risky situation and he goes out drinking where he could easily get antagonised, especially if he has any violence and self control problems.

    And don’t forget that his ‘moment of stupidity’ could have stuffed up someone else’s career and life in a worse way than Packer stuffed his own up. He could easily have ended a life.

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  97. kowtow (7,586 comments) says:

    Record low temperatures forecast in the US……

    and the Al Jazeera journo blames a warming planet and splices the report to show the expert talking about the totality of the planet and a warm air intrusion blah blah …….see video 122 in.

    Pure propaganda by the media.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2014/01/polar-vortex-us-201415224755674864.html

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  98. Nostradamus (2,938 comments) says:

    Pete George:

    What’s your reaction to this article?

    A trained mixed marital artist repelled four armed men who attempted to invade his New Mexico home, killing one of them, US authorities say.

    The attackers had a knife and shank with them, but Joe Torrez, a 70kg lightwweight fighter with a 1-5 record, managed to gain the upper hand.

    “He was fighting for his life,” his lawyer, CJ McElhinney, told the Las Cruces Sun-News.

    It’s not clear what sparked the New Year’s Day attack at Torrez’ mobile home in Las Cruces, which left another man hospitalised and two more running away in fear.

    Before the 2am attack another of the men, Leonard Calvillo, allegedly called ahead to threaten Torrez, telling him, “I’m big Eastside. I’ll kill you and your family … I will go to your house.”

    Torrez’s fiancee and toddler were home at the time, authorities said. The men tossed furniture and attacked Torrez, according to an arrest affidavit, KFOX-TV reported.

    A man identified as Sal Garces was found dead at the scene from beating and stab wounds and another received severe facial injuries.

    Torrez only endured minor injuries, according to his lawyer.

    The remaining two men, who fled the scene, have been arrested on charges of conspiracy, property damage, and aggravated battery.

    Torrez could also face charges in the death of the attacker.

    So, by the sound of things, there was:

    - a threat to physically harm Torrez and his family
    - a pre-meditated home invasion with disastrous consequences.

    The article implies that the beating, stab wounds and severe facial injuries were inflicted by Torrez on the home invaders.

    My question, Pete, is if you were Torrez, what do you think you would have done in that situation? I say “think you would have done” because I doubt anyone can really know for sure, unless they actually find themselves in the same situation.

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  99. nasska (10,622 comments) says:

    From the link Nostradamus supplied:

    ….”Torrez could also face charges in the death of the attacker. “….

    In New Mexico, USA he has an excellent chance of being awarded a medal. If the poor bugger had defended himself in NZ the Police would have by now charged him with murder & anything else they could think of. He would probably be the first person in this country to receive LWP & at the very least would be bankrupted by legal bills.

    Justice in NZ smells.

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  100. Fletch (6,004 comments) says:

    It’s interesting that the cold weather in the U.S was the top story on Prime news, with lots of coverage of the effects in various parts of the country. On One News, however, it got about a 30 second mention at around 6:20pm – hardly a thing.

    Can’t show too much about it on state TV, or it might detract from the climate warming narrative.

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  101. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Jeeze. I’ve been working all day and youse guy’s have been wanking again! :)

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  102. edhunter (491 comments) says:

    Great to see Sea Shepard carrying on their oh so important work…sarc. Also their use of just the facts & never using emotive language should be applauded.
    Here are some facts on the Minke whale:
    The Antarctic minke whale is currently considered Data Deficient by the IUCN red list. However, the IUCN states that the population size is “clearly in the hundreds of thousands”.[2]
    In 2012, the Scientific Committee of the International Whaling Commission agreed upon population estimates of Antarctic minke stocks. The agreed estimate is 515,000.[5] The Report of the Scientific Committee acknowledged that this estimate is subject to some degree of negative bias because some minke whales would have been outside the surveyable ice edge boundaries.
    So the Japs want to harvest 850 minkes per season or .165% of the conservatively estimated minke population.
    Where is the problem here? I don’t want to see them extinct but this seems hardly likely to drive them to extinction.
    Oh but they’re mammals…Well so is beef & lamb, and there’s certainly a fair amount of blood & guts involved when it comes harvesting them for our dinner tables.

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  103. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Minus is on the job 24/7 though! :)

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  104. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Obviously is unemployable other than here! :)

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  105. Longknives (4,411 comments) says:

    Anybody see Katie ‘I’m an Impartial Journalist’ Bradford’s sneering, contemptuous report on Colin Craig tonight?
    Pathetic TVNZ- This thinly disguised activist masquerading as a reporter must go…

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  106. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    “Justice in NZ smells.”

    As long as it isn’t festering nasska! :)

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  107. RRM (9,428 comments) says:

    Well the Lavender Araucana rooster who looks like the Rt. Honourable Member for Ohariu has been sold to a good home where he will have many blue egg laying daughters. :D

    http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af230/RRM22/IMG_0034_zps21437c5b.jpg

    Searching through Trademe I notice we are not the first to notice this breed’s striking resemblance to Mr Dunne…

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  108. slijmbal (1,210 comments) says:

    @edhunter – I agree that in terms of the Minke whales they aren’t endangered and could be harvested.

    The two issues I have though are that they haven’t found a way to humanely kill whales and the japs also kill endangered whales.

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  109. nasska (10,622 comments) says:

    We are not completely alone & without help JB. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3u3hoqvomwdq1pg/lawsharks_fs.jpg

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  110. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    FES and I have reached an agreement nasska. I won’t use berly! :)

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  111. dime (9,378 comments) says:

    “a 70kg lightwweight fighter with a 1-5 record, managed to gain the upper hand.”

    heh imagine fucking with cain velasquez. scary dudes

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  112. nasska (10,622 comments) says:

    A lawyer went duck hunting in rural Texas. He shot and dropped a
    bird, but it fell into a farmer’s field on the other side of a fence.

    As the lawyer climbed over the fence, an elderly farmer drove up on
    his tractor and asked him what he was doing.

    The litigator responded, “I shot a duck and it fell in this field, and
    now I’m going to retrieve it.”

    The old farmer replied, “This is my property, and you are not coming
    over here.”

    The indignant lawyer said, “I am one of the best trial attorneys in
    the United States and, if you don’t let me get that duck, I’ll sue you
    and take everything you own.

    The old farmer smiled and said,” Apparently, you don’t know how we
    settle disputes in rural Texas. We settle small disagreements like this with
    the “Three Kick Rule.”

    The lawyer asked, “What is the Three Kick Rule?”

    The Farmer replied, “Well, because the dispute occurs on my land,
    first I kick you three times and then you kick me three times and so
    on back and forth until someone gives up.”

    The attorney quickly thought about the proposed contest and decided
    that he could easily take the old codger. He agreed to abide by the
    local custom.

    The old farmer slowly climbed down from the tractor and walked up to
    the attorney. His first kick planted the toe of his heavy steel toed
    work boot into the lawyer’s groin and dropped him to his knees. His
    second kick to the midriff then made the lawyer lose his early
    morning breakfast. The lawyer was on all fours when the farmer’s third
    kick to between his legs from the rear sent him face-first into a
    fresh patch of cow shit.

    The lawyer summoned every bit of his will and managed to get to his
    feet. Wiping his face with the arm of his jacket, he said, “Okay, Now
    it’s my turn.”

    The old farmer smiled and said, “Naaaaaah, I give up now. You can have
    the duck.”

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  113. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Another gentle member of the Tangata Whenua is misjudged by a honky legal system! :)

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/9580851/Russell-Packer-jailed-for-assault

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  114. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Fuck that minus monster is quick! :)

    Hope your sex life takes longer loser! :)

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  115. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Longknives at 9:41am – Hey man. As you know we’ve got some uncanny shared views…. especially sport…

    You look at a sport where there’s national interest in two countries like NZ and Aussie. Cricket? Netball? Any other sport apart from Union? How far do we get? NZ doesn’t dominate. Netballers do better than Aussie *per capita* but not in actual wins /losses.

    Cricket is a united code in Aussie. How often does NZ own the Aussies in the cricket? It would be the same if Union was a national no.1 code in Aus. The contest would be about as competitively balanced as the netball – if you were lucky.

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  116. edhunter (491 comments) says:

    slijmbal – I certainly don’t want the extinction of any species to be at the hand of man either but as to the humane way to die what’s humane about the way we deal out death to fish? And then we have the nerve to discard the non target species.
    Again I stress I eat meat, I love meat & I’m more than happy with not knowing exactly the ins and outs of how my meal arrived on the table, but I fail to see what is so sacrosanct about the bloody whale unless greenpeace did such a good job in the 70′s & 80′s indoctrinating us into believing they’re something special.

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  117. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    No worries ed. Just remember once you’ve whacked one into the lung area and your delving in the blood with your knife to get the lungs out watch your fingers! :)

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  118. J Bloggs (158 comments) says:

    It goes to show, its not just in NZ that stopping construction for mythological entities happens….

    http://www.icenews.is/2014/01/01/elves-delay-iceland-road-building-project/

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  119. kowtow (7,586 comments) says:

    Fletch

    There was no way TVNZ was going to ruin Dr Salinger’s trace gas pitch about Aotearoas inevtable long term blistering future ,by leading with footage of blizzards across the North American continent……..

    I note much is being made across our MSM about Salinger’s news.

    Could some clever type help me out here.

    The graph accompanying the release is zeroed for long term average temps between 1961 and 1990.Is that so the “scientist” cough cough ,gets the uptick in temperature that his ideology demands?

    Another Dr has said “Last winter was warmer and he (Salinger) puts it at 1.27 degrees C above the 1961-1990 long term average”.

    Is it a cherry picked or absolute rise?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9580148/Last-winter-warmest-on-record

    A commenter on the stuff site raises this question….but there are no answers.

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  120. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Small but not tall urban tales:

    I’m in Courtenay Place. I’m following behind young Asian boy teen and girl teen pushing their shopping in a NW trolley, the smaller variety with a shallow cage. People are giving them a few wee looks. They cross the street and I think stuff it I’m going to say something to them about it. And that’s what I did.

    Uni students taking the shopping home. Tried to tell me it was a cultural misunderstanding. I don’t think so. They’re super super polite until they realise that they’re not getting their own way and then they finally show some emotion – believe it or not. I said to the bloke that there’s one good way to stop obnoxious idiots like me talking to them and making their day – don’t take the trolley from the shop. Simple. They’re not stupid and it’s fairly bloody obvious the trolleys aren’t for taking home.

    I love all of these Asian students that have taken over the CBD of Wellington. In a few years time (or right now) you’ll be able to sum up NZ’s cultural history like this: (1) brown (2) brown / white (3) brown / white / yellow

    I don’t give a fuck who they are – kiwi or foreigner – don’t take the trollies away from the shop. They wanted to play the dumb Asian fob card. Good when it suits them. Sorry – too much experience with Asian students – not fooling me.

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  121. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    If the shop had any cultural nous LRaC they would provide trollies with two long handles at the front for our oriental brethren and a seat at the back for mamma san! :)

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  122. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    What I object to about a lot of the immigration is that NZ lets in so many dumbcunt foreigners.

    Interesting contrast: I was reading a magazine at Wellington Railway Station with a lovely family of five. Watching people attempt to enter Railway NW – one of them was a fucking Indian bloke with the full-on beard and turban. Tried to explain to him that it was shut. Nearest supermarket Thorndon NW. No he says – and because his English is so pisspoor he had to show me his CV instead of being able to explain that he was trying to drop it off to the shop. Aha.

    Being clueless and thick might actually enhance his chances depending on the position he’s applying for. Has he heard of the internet for e mailing CVs? How about ringing to check if the place is open? Got a landline? Got two braincells to rub together?

    Talking with the family – they came from a small town in Montana, had travelled by coach from Auckland to Wellington – which took 12 hours. Now they were waiting for their friends, which was taking 90 mins. 60 of which was their fault due to miscalculation. On their way to the West Coast for a working holiday. Seven months. Eventually a kiwi bloke turned up and said he’d been waiting around at the side of the station, where the long haul coaches pull in, for thirty minutes. The father of the family told me he was a physician. His words being American of course. Now that’s the kind of person you want bringing their family to NZ. Not all of these no-hoper fuckwits from India. (in this day and age of communication devices it’s almost incredible that old-fashioned mix-ups resulting in half hour waits still happen. I suppose in a different country without a local cellphone? Who knows).

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  123. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    Nostradamus – interesting scenario. From the report I don’t blame Torrez except for some doubt over whether killing one of them was going too far (it could have been unintended).

    For obvious reasons I won’t go into details about what I might do in similar circumstances but it would be anything possible to protect against the attack. If I was in a strong enough position I’d try and diffuse the situation. Failing that, if it resulted in injuries to them then so be it, but I would hope I wouldn’t go as far as knowingly killing someone unless I thought I had no other reasonable option – in which case I have no doubt I could do whatever was necessary to protect myself or family or anyone innocent.

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  124. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    We need more Scottish Immigrants LRaC… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCR1l9gYTLM :)

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  125. nasska (10,622 comments) says:

    PG

    Torrez was facing 4 to 1 odds…..also if he went down he was dead & who wants to know what would’ve happened to his Missus & kid.

    In those circumstances no sane person even vaguely considers whether his reaction is fair & proportionate. The law of the jungle takes over.

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  126. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    What sort of weaponry do you pack at home PG?

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  127. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    nasska – quite possibly but not necessarily. We don’t know the circumstances. If he’d beaten them off and two had fled and the other two were injured and no longer a threat then it could be claimed he should have stopped at that. If he killed in the process of protecting himself or family then he may be ok – but I think often the police would put it to court to decide.

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  128. nasska (10,622 comments) says:

    …..”but I think often the police would put it to court to decide.”…..

    In namby pamby PC New Zealand it’s a given that he would be prosecuted but Torrez is in the USA which has in the past had fairly sensible citizen’s right of defence legislation. Either there’s a lot more to the case that we don’t know or the States have been infiltrated by some of our crim cuddling wanking academics & socialists.

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  129. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Seeing you aren’t answering and it’s time I did other things PG. Go for this. Get a 20″barrel 12ga. One in the chamber and 7 in the mag. Make the first shot no.4 and the next buck. Alternate till the last two and make them solids so that you can sort the bastards at 40 meters as they try to drive off if you only winged them with the smaller stuff! :)

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  130. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    If you need further technical advice ask Nosti….! :)

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  131. Nostradamus (2,938 comments) says:

    This article provides further information about the home invasion.

    Some key extracts:


    Garces, his 19-year-old brother Raymond Garces, Avalos and 22-year-old Leonard Calvillo reportedly had forced their way into the mobile home about 2 a.m.

    Once inside, the deadly fight started among the alleged intruders and the 27-year-old man living there. He has not been charged in connection to the incident because authorities believe he acted in self-defense [inconsistent with my previous link]. For those reasons, the Sun-News is not identifying him.

    Raymond Garces reportedly told authorities that the group had gone to the King James Avenue home because of a previous altercation, according to documents filed in Magistrate Court.

    The 27-year-old man living there was home with his young son, fiancé and her friends. Before the fight, her sister arrived, officials and the man’s attorney said. She had been “jumped,” Las Cruces attorney C.J. McElhinney said.

    Later, the man received phone threats from Calvillo, according to court documents.

    “I’m big Eastside,” Calvillo reportedly said, referring to a gang. ” … I’ll kill you and your family … I will go to your house.”

    The Garces brothers, along with Avalos and Calvillo are gang members, DASO spokeswoman Kelly Jameson said. Court records show numerous prior arrests and convictions for them, many on drug and violence charges.

    So, taking the article at face value, there were a number of potential witnesses.

    And also this article.

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  132. Nostradamus (2,938 comments) says:

    Johnboy:

    If you need further technical advice ask Nosti….!

    Technical advice about firearms? Sorry mate – not my area of expertise.

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  133. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Nosti not Nosta! :)

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  134. Pete George (22,765 comments) says:

    JB – smallbore for pest control, used often for possum and rabbits. I’d let my old firearm license lapse but got a new one a few years ago so am up to date with current firearms laws.

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  135. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Firearms laws don’t really cover what I’m talking about PG. Survival laws do particularly the one that says do it to them before they do it to you. If you ever follow my advice of course you will have to have a serious chat to FES! :)

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  136. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    Night all! :)

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  137. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Joe Torrez – you are an inspiration and a hero. What a great story. Killed one of these fuckwits. *That’s* the one brother – exactly what the cunt deserved and nothing less. Death sentence. Good job. One by one he might’ve killed all four if he could kill one during a group attack.

    70kg lightweight fighter. 1-5 record. He won the one fight that counts though – and against all odds. All of his hard training – it’s all paid off in the best possible way.

    The only way it could’ve been better is if he killed the whole fuckin lot of them. In the old days they’d all hang.

    It would be a crime if Joe was charged with anything. 70kg and he fucked them up.

    You’d think real gangsters would take firerams with them. Or just be smarter about it. Joe’s adrenaline levels must’ve been something he’d never known as the attack started. Never give a sucker an even break.

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