General Debate 7 January 2014

January 7th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    That’s cold: http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20140106/chicago/chicago-extreme-cold-temperatures-plunge-chiberia

    On the other hand, the infallible Messiah: http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/craig-bannister/executive-order-excessively-high-temperatures-already-harming-public

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  2. Reid (15,531 comments) says:

    Wonder why the govt turned down this offer to establish a factory in Chch after the earthquake. And who it was that turned it down.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9581805/Framecard-makes-big-builds-into-easy-projects

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  3. calendar girl (1,108 comments) says:

    TVNZ’s ‘One News’ has no shame, no professional principles. Surely it’s a joke to assign Katie Bradford, daughter of recent Green MP Sue Bradford, to interview Colin Craig in a predominantly-critical item on the Conservative Party.

    Why do we tolerate such conspicuous conflict of interest displayed by our taxpayer-owned broadcaster?

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  4. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    So it turns out Packer knocked the guy unconscious then stomped on his head-

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/9580851/Russell-Packer-jailed-for-assault

    Yet his idiot Dad seems to think because he is a successful footy player he should get away with it-
    “He’s playing for Newcastle Knights, he’s on $400,000 and he gets locked up for something that’s not serious, you know.”

    If I punched a guy unconscious and then stomped on his head I’d expect to go to jail- That’s how you kill people.
    Does Packer’s Dad believe sports stars are somehow exempt from repercussions for their actions?

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  5. igm (859 comments) says:

    It is abundantly clear anyone having associations to radical left politics can get a position with State media. Look at the line-up, Mould, Mutch, Soper, Espiners, Laidlaw, it just goes on and on. Time it was sorted, they are just too much!

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  6. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    @calendar girl: I’m not sure I can agree with you on Katie Bradford. Children are not responsible for the sins of the parents, so she could well turn out to be an unbiased interviewer.

    On the other hand, If she were a partisan journalist (I do not know her politics), your criticism would be perfectly valid.

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  7. J Bloggs (100 comments) says:

    Yet his idiot Dad seems to think because he is a successful footy player he should get away with it-
    “He’s playing for Newcastle Knights, he’s on $400,000 and he gets locked up for something that’s not serious, you know.”

    If I punched a guy unconscious and then stomped on his head I’d expect to go to jail- That’s how you kill people.
    Does Packer’s Dad believe sports stars are somehow exempt from repercussions for their actions?

    Longknives: Why shouldn’t Packer’s Dad believe that? That’s how sports stars have been treated in NZ for years.

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  8. Alan (910 comments) says:

    “TVNZ’s ‘One News’ has no shame, no professional principles. Surely it’s a joke to assign Katie Bradford, daughter of recent Green MP Sue Bradford, to interview Colin Craig in a predominantly-critical item on the Conservative Party.

    Why do we tolerate such conspicuous conflict of interest displayed by our taxpayer-owned broadcaster?”

    I’m going to have to go with John Key on this one when he was questioned about appointing his old school mate to head the SIS, it’s a very small country, with a small pool of talent. People are going to know each other and be related to each other. If we ruled out people from jobs on the basis of connections, no one would get a job anywhere.

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  9. calendar girl (1,108 comments) says:

    Bit of a difference between head of the SIS and a budding reporter on ‘One News’. If the position was CEO of TVNZ, the comparison would carry rather more weight.

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  10. redqueen (342 comments) says:

    I think the point is not that Katie Bradford cannot be a reporter, but that using her to ‘interview’ Colin Craig is likely to be a conflict of interest. That NZ is heavily interconnected is not a problem, but that state media portrays itself as ‘independent’ and ‘unbiased’, then goes and does something which sounds ‘a bit fishy’, is where the line starts to become much clearer…

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  11. Keeping Stock (9,788 comments) says:

    Reading the Herald this morning, you’d think that Packer was the victim. How would his father be feeling about the punishment handed down had the roles been reversed and it had been Packer who was punched to the ground, knocked unconscious, and stomped on the head by a drunken passer-by?

    I feel sorry for Packer’s partner and his children. But if Magistrate Greg Grogan did indeed decide to throw the book at Packer because of a tide of street violence in Sydney, that does not make Packer a victim. Here’s hoping that he uses his time in jail to sort his life out, because he is the only one who can.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/01/more-on-packer-case.html

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  12. EAD (315 comments) says:

    James Delingpole finally weighs on on “The Ship of Fools”:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100252804/on-why-it-would-be-quite-wrong-to-laugh-about-prof-chris-turkey-and-his-antarctic-ship-of-fools/

    IMHO, He is the best journalist in the world if you’re in any way conservative/libertarian minded. Whilst being one of the world’s leading lights along with Anthony Watts, Chris Mockton, Jo Nova et. al in debunking the ruinous climate fiasco, he is also applying his devastating logic to the field of Economics and I’m glad to say he is an Austrian through and through!

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/james-delingpole/9106132/those-bitcoin-weirdos-might-just-be-right/

    DPF – any chance of running a thread, particularity with reference to the NZ involvement in the “Ship of Fools”?

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  13. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Manolo- Where have you been man? Bradford is, by her own admission, an ‘Activist’..
    Did you not see her sneering and mocking report on Colin Craig? There is a great photo of her somewhere absolutely scowling at the Police Commissioner.
    She is clearly unable to separate her extreme Political beliefs from her role as a supposed ‘impartial’ reporter-and as such must go…
    *Not to mention she has an appalling TV voice/pronounciation and quite simply doesn’t seem to possess the skills or personality for the role!

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  14. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    It is abundantly clear anyone having associations to radical left politics can get a position with State media. Look at the line-up, Mould, Mutch, Soper, Espiners…

    That’s funny. I presume you’re including Guyon Espiner there, the journalist just appointed to Morning Report, referred to by Martyn Bradburyas a “hard right neo-liberal white rich male acolyte” in Espiner, Hosking & Paul Henry – the 3 Broadcasters of the Apocalypse

    More: Espiner, abuse and imperiling democracy.

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  15. MT_Tinman (2,790 comments) says:

    Longknives (3,631 comments) says:
    January 7th, 2014 at 8:43 am
    …….
    She is clearly unable to separate her extreme Political beliefs from her role as a supposed ‘impartial’ reporter-and as such must go…

    I’d rather TVNZ kept Bradford and it becomes TVNZ that must go.

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  16. Scott Chris (5,677 comments) says:

    I’m not sure I can agree with you on Katie Bradford. Children are not responsible for the sins of the parents, so she could well turn out to be an unbiased interviewer

    Well said. Judge a person on their merits not their parentage.

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  17. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Henry’s lawyer seems out of touch too:

    Packer’s lawyer, Murugan Thangaraj, told the court his client over-reacted and while the injuries were serious, the assault was not a king-hit.

    Stomping on some who is defenceless is at least as bad as a king hit, arguably more gutless and more dangerous.

    Packer was having counselling for anger management and alcohol issues.

    Too late in this case. Anger, alcohol and ego can be a very dangerous mix.

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  18. Neil (526 comments) says:

    Great to hear the Minky Whale issue raised again for the umteenth year. Yes the Sea Shepherd returns again at the very low news time if the year. Why do we give these bandits publicity?
    Sir Geoffrey Palmer on the same news item talked about the fact that government should not take precipitate action because of an impending World Court decision and also the fact that the Antarctic is a dangerous place for boats – witness the Russian boat being trapped in the ice.
    Now if the Sea Shepherd got trapped down there you could imagine the cry from those cringing idiots.
    Let’s just yawn,give them the two finger salute and go about our normal business.
    That fellow Watson who runs that boat Sea Shepherd has the cheek of old nick !!!!

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  19. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    Hearty congratulations to Otago University,leading Aotearoa in wowserism……smoke free campus FFS.

    Note the petulant tone of the druggies…..another bunch of #unts.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/campus/university-otago/287422/pot-users-sidestep-varsity-smoking-ban

    Alan
    We may have a small pool of talent,bit that’s no excuse for TVNZ hiring people with no talent.

    In respect of the Craig interview ,it was shit,short and uninformative……typical TVNZ.Time to sell.

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  20. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    “Well said. Judge a person on their merits not their parentage”

    We are- and she is rubbish.
    The worst TV reporter I have seen since TV3′s failed Anna Guy experiment…..

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  21. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Kowtow- That Abe Gray sure looks like a real winner. Who says Cannabis leads to a dead-end? That guy is clearly one of life’s ‘Go Getters’ lounging round the Varsity smoking Pot all day….

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  22. Scott Chris (5,677 comments) says:

    Stomping on some who is defenceless is at least as bad as a king hit

    Yeah. Maybe Buck Shelford and Andrew Hore shoulda got 2 years as well.

    Not excusing Packer’s behaviour in any way but all things considered the 2 year sentence imposed is ludicrous. Rogue Judge.

    Cue howls of outrage and 30 downvotes.

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  23. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Where have you been man? Bradford is, by her own admission, an ‘Activist’..

    I stand corrected and apologise for my ignorance.
    I had no idea Bradford had disqualified herself with that statement.

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  24. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    The insurance industry is factoring climate change – their business depends on real world science.

    How the Insurance Industry Is Dealing With Climate Change

    When it comes to the calculating the likelihood of catastrophic weather, one group has an obvious and immediate financial stake in the game: the insurance industry. And in recent years, the industry researchers who attempt to determine the annual odds of catastrophic weather-related disasters—including floods and wind storms—say they’re seeing something new.

    “Our business depends on us being neutral. We simply try to make the best possible assessment of risk today, with no vested interest,” says Robert Muir-Wood, the chief scientist of Risk Management Solutions (RMS), a company that creates software models to allow insurance companies to calculate risk. “In the past, when making these assessments, we looked to history. But in fact, we’ve now realized that that’s no longer a safe assumption—we can see, with certain phenomena in certain parts of the world, that the activity today is not simply the average of history.”

    This pronounced shift can be seen in extreme rainfall events, heat waves and wind storms. The underlying reason, he says, is climate change, driven by rising greenhouse gas emissions.

    http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2013/09/how-the-insurance-industry-is-dealing-with-climate-change

    And they use similar climate prediction models to the scientists.

    On the whole, it seems likely that insurance premiums for houses and buildings in flood-prone coastal regions will go up to account for the shifts Muir-Wood is seeing. On the other hand, because of the complex impacts of climate change, we might see risks—and premiums—go down in other areas. There’s evidence, for example, that snowmelt-driven springtime floods in Britain will become less frequent in the future.

    Alongside climate change the effects won’t be even across the world. There will be ups and downs, but it looks likely that overall temperatures and premiums will go up.

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  25. iMP (2,152 comments) says:

    Re Kate Bradford. Helen Clark’s parents voted National.

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  26. hj (5,692 comments) says:

    Surge Seen in U.S. Oil Output, Lowering Gasoline Prices

    The agency said that the consumption of coal for electricity generation and heat accounted for more than three-fifths of the rise in global carbon dioxide emissions since 2000. Coal use increased by an average of 3.4 percent per year from 2007 to 2012, faster than the increase in either oil or natural gas. Consumption through 2018 is expected to increase by 2.3 percent a year, the I.E.A. said.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/17/business/international/global-coal-use-predicted-to-keep-growing.html?src=recg&_r=0

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  27. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    The insurance industry is no different to governments……..

    they see “climate change” as an opportunity to make more money.

    Salinger and the media have made much of the claim that we are warming…….

    the graph used has been zeroed to 1961-1990 long term average temperatures.

    Is the alleged rise an absolute rise or is it relative to the period chosen?

    Answers on the back of a self addressed envelope.

    First prize ,a one way trip on a Russian ship the Antarctic to witness the much touted fast disappearing summer ice pack…….bwahahahahaha.

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  28. Keeping Stock (9,788 comments) says:

    @ Scott Chris – you’re right; two years for an unprovoked attack on a bloke in the street where you knock him to the ground, punch him senseless then stomp on his head with the full force of your athletic 112kg frame is ludicrous. He should have got at least five years.

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  29. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Anyone still think Bradford is ‘impartial’??

    http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/children-of-the-revolution-2007

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  30. Scott Chris (5,677 comments) says:

    Where have you been man? Bradford is, by her own admission, an ‘Activist’..

    Really? Where did you read that? Kiwiblog comments section?

    I know Manolo did. Swallowed it too.

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  31. Scott Chris (5,677 comments) says:

    you’re right; two years for an unprovoked attack on a bloke

    Jeez KS, I didn’t know you witnessed the whole event.

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  32. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    Talking of out of touch lawyers……in another sign of how devalued and dependant great institutions have become in the formerly proud and world leading west…..

    British barristers strike for the first time ever….

    …..they claim it’s about justice,but actually their standard of living has become,like so many others,dependant on the state (taxpayer) and now the state is broke and it’s time for cutbacks, the leeches,sorry lawyers,don’t like it.

    Tough innit?

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  33. Reid (15,531 comments) says:

    I didn’t know you witnessed the whole event.

    You don’t really need to Scott. Stomping on someone’s head is never acceptable. Ever.

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  34. hj (5,692 comments) says:

    I’m not sure I can agree with you on Katie Bradford. Children are not responsible for the sins of the parents, so she could well turn out to be an unbiased interviewer
    …………..
    political leanings can be inherited to a degree (I think); look at the Locke family.

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  35. dirty harry (240 comments) says:

    Put ya handbag away scottchris. 2 years is nothing. Agree with KS…it should have been 5 years , the guy could have died.

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  36. Keeping Stock (9,788 comments) says:

    @ Scott Chris – Packer admitted the offence, and there was no dispute as to the facts presented by the police which made no mention of any provocation. Packer had just been ejected from a pub because he was drunk (and to be fair, you’d have to be pretty drunk to get chucked out of a pub in Sydney), and took out his anger on some bloke who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Here you go:

    The Downing Centre Local Court was today told that Packer had been kicked out of the Chambers Hotel at 1.30am on November 23 last year because he was too drunk.

    He moved about 20 metres from the Martin Place pub then got into a disagreement with another man.

    The argument is said to have started when Packer was accused of stealing two cigarettes from a woman sitting nearby.

    Magistrate Greg Grogan told the court that Packer punched the man in the face, causing him to fall and hit his head on the ground.

    Packer punched the man several times as he lay on the ground and then stamped on his head, the court was told, leaving the victim with two fractured facial bones.

    Packer pleaded guilty today to assault occasioning actually bodily harm and failing to leave a venue.

    Mr Grogan labelled Packer’s behaviour “cowardly and deplorable” and said the result could have been much worse.

    “The person fell to the ground and luckily it would appear did not suffer those injuries seen in media reports as of late,” Mr Grogan said.

    “There was potential for that, Mr Packer.

    “You added fuel to the fire by attacking a man lying motionless on the ground, punching him and then standing up and stomping on his head.”

    Mr Grogan said that the public was sick and tired of the behaviour Packer showed that night.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-player-russell-packer-jailed-for-cowardly-assault/story-fnca0von-1226795809119

    Still think the sentence was “ludicrous” SC?

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  37. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    Scotty

    Why would KS have to witness the whole event.

    The mongrel has been found guilty.

    Part of the facts are he stomped on someones’ head!

    Quite simple really.

    Rogue judge? Great ,once upon a time most were “rogue” ,by your standard, and dealt meaningful sentences…..today most are wankers who refuse to dispense justice are are simply crim huggers

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/debatesearch/article-2534299/DOMINIC-LAWSON-Surrender-Clegg-life-terms-killers-That-criminal-Dave.html

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  38. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    If Colin Craig cannot handle a cub reporter like Katie Bradford then he might as well pack up and bugger off.

    Its not the questions , its the answers that define an interview

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  39. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    Did anyone say CC couldn’t handle Katie……?

    The CC bashers are coming out from under the stones to make this about CC!

    The issue is TVNZ editorial policy and KB’s radical (if that is the case) background and being in state sponsored TV.

    To reiterate (for the obtuse) the interview was shit,short and uninformative.Typical lightweight fare from TVNZ.Time to sell.

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  40. Scott Chris (5,677 comments) says:

    Still think the sentence was “ludicrous” SC?

    Yes. Doesn’t say who threw the first punch for starters. Just omits that bit.

    As for the ‘head stomping’, I’ve seen that happen in bar brawls before. One guy starts to lose, ends up on the ground and covers up in a coital position. The aggressor aims a few kicks maybe one or two in a stomping fashion. Shit happens.

    Not saying that’s exactly what happened, just that you had to be there to know what actually happened.

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  41. calendar girl (1,108 comments) says:

    Fair enough if it was solely an interview, PEB. Craig handled himself well enough. Did you see the TV item yourself? It included a series of comments on Craig by other people, almost invariably describing him (rather than his policies) in unflattering terms, with balance provided by one person describing him as quite a nice bloke.

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  42. Ed Snack (1,535 comments) says:

    Pete George, the Insurance industry just loves “Climate Change”. They get to charge huge increases in insurance with no actual increase in outlays. Their much vaunted increase in extreme weather events is a mirage, they simply aren’t happening.

    A story that explains a lot. Sometime back the IPCC had a meeting in Auckland, and they gave a media presentation. One of the graphics (in addition to the now totally discredited hockey stick graph) was another “hockey stick” style graph showing the huge recent increase in insurance claims from “extreme weather events”. That graph was put together and pushed by Munich Re, one of the largest reinsurance corporations.

    What was utterly dishonest though was the omission of the companion graph. That was an essential identical “hockey stick” graph of the value of insured items in vulnerable positions. Thus there was no actual increase in events or the destructiveness of those at all, merely a huge increase in building in places vulnerable to large scale weather events. The two classics were the development of coastal land in Florida and further northwards up the Atlantic coast of the US (subject to Hurricanes for many thousands of years, so well known that despite the attractiveness the areas were left essentially undeveloped for centuries), and large increases in the building of dwellings on known flood plains such as in the Mississippi river catchment but also in the UK and in parts of Europe as well.

    Don’t waste tears on the insurance industry, any publicity trend that helps them increase premiums to help atone for previous poor judgements on risks they welcome. The truth or otherwise of the publicity is unimportant to them.

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  43. Reid (15,531 comments) says:

    The aggressor aims a few kicks maybe one or two in a stomping fashion. Shit happens.

    Even if that was what happened, it’s not acceptable. Ever. Under any circumstance. Period.

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  44. Left Right and Centre (2,390 comments) says:

    longknives – yeow – it gives me no pleasure to say it’s spelt ‘pronunciation’. One of the few times that a talkback caller has taught me anything – one caller corrected a previous caller who had been a younger sounding school teacher who fell into the same trap.

    The other one is ‘remuneration’. Get that wrong and you come off as a right fuckin diddle – :)

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  45. RF (1,128 comments) says:

    Bloody rugby brings out the worst. Apart from this thug in Aussie we have our own here that should have received the same treatment for their sins. To name a few – Hore, Collins, Lowe, Williams etc… All are knuckle draggers who have thankfully moved on..

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  46. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    Stomp on head?

    Do not pass go.Go to jail. Shit happens.Tough innit?

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  47. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    L, R & C- My humble apologies! I am dreadfully embarrassed….

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  48. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Kowtow
    Did anyone say CC couldn’t handle Katie……?

    The point being if Craig is up to it, John pilger should be able to interview him and not make him look a fool.

    Recently its been Craig make himself look foolish not the interviewer.

    If your man is up to speed the interviewer is irrelevant, as to TVNZ’s employment policy is anyone surprised. Go on to twitter and follow NZ journalists, staggering the bias

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  49. Ed Snack (1,535 comments) says:

    And here is one for the Vegans amongst us. Shades of THHGTTG when the Main Dish of the Day was scathing of Arthur Dent;’s request for a green salad “many vegetables are very clear on that” http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/12/23/131223fa_fact_pollan?currentPage=all. Not everything in the New Yorker is trash…and their cartoons are still funny.

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  50. Left Right and Centre (2,390 comments) says:

    L, R & C- My humble apologies! I am dreadfully embarrassed….

    I’m forever checking words on Google. Try reading a bit of certain books by Clive James. You’ll wonder if English is your first fucking language :)

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  51. flipper (3,269 comments) says:

    Oh dear….
    The Herald weeps for a NRL thug….., and …… then uses that “for hire” scribbler, Fisher, to attack Martin Sneddon.

    Why?
    Because Sneddon and wife , along with several other Taupo ratepayers, objected to a concrete path being placed in front lf their reserve edging Taupo holiday homes. The path is a “go nowhere” extension to the cycling way.

    Why pick on Sneddon?

    Because he heads the tourist bureau. And the cycleway is a J Key initiative.

    Fisher, the demented soul, sees the Sneddon family objection (but remember it is a community objection) as a “conflict of interest” given his tourism role.

    What the Fisher/Herald claim amounts to is that Sneddon and his family should not protect their legal rights because he works for tourism.

    Fisher and the Herald have achieved a new nadir in journalism.

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  52. Don the Kiwi (1,318 comments) says:

    Had an e-mail from a friend in central Illinois this morning. It was -24.C first thing this morning(Their Monday) and was expected to stay that way. Everything’s closed – schools, courts, (he is a lawyer).

    Yes, that ‘global warming’ sure is a bitch – coldest day in years that he can recall. Expected to stay that way for a few days. He aptly describes where he lives as the “Siberia of the US” in winter

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  53. igm (859 comments) says:

    It is with regret one must realise 90% of those referred to as journalists, are not, they being nothing but messengers of the leeching left, carrying the doctrine of their respective unions. We need to see a purge of these losers, in the meantime, if purchasing anything of value, make sure it is not being advertised by any media outlets supporting these creeps. A typical example is the farming magazine “Straight Furrow”, now hijacked by the left, with an acting editor making Russel Norman appear a capitalist. I know many who no longer subscribe, and many advertisers awaiting termination of current contracts, with intent to cancel activities.

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  54. calendar girl (1,108 comments) says:

    PEB: “If your man is up to speed the interviewer is irrelevant, as to TVNZ’s employment policy is anyone surprised. Go on to twitter and follow NZ journalists, staggering the bias.”

    The real question is not whether we’re surprised. It’s whether such an approach by the state-owned broadcaster should be tolerated.

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  55. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    Sc – you never put the boot in. It’s a piece of shit move. People die that way.

    It’s also a rookie mistake as the police/courts frown upon it.

    And lol at you. I’m sure you have seen plenty of fights..right before some gang member put you on the block

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  56. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Katie Bradford is no longer a journalist now she’s with TVNZ, she’s a celebrity: From journalist to celebrity

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  57. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    Katie Bradford – worst kiwi accent I’ve heard since her mother.

    She mentioned that Craig has been described as a nutter. Then the first person she asks about Craig says he’s a nutter. Real impartial.

    Would she use those words when doing a piece on a green mp?

    Or maybe cunliffe “he’s been described as an unlikeable cunt..”

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  58. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Can’t blame Bradford for the nature of television “journalism”. It often seems to follow this sequence:
    - Think of a story (or given a story to cover by boss)
    - Write a script
    - Interview people for story
    - Splice quotes from interviews that fit story

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  59. dirty harry (240 comments) says:

    “.right before some gang member put you on the block”

    bawhahaha…lmfao!

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  60. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Denial is the only response, according to Russell Brown in Climate, money and risk.

    Sir Peter Gluckman has said that the roadblock on accepting climate risk is that the risk is of such magnitude that the ultimate solutions can only be collective, and that inevitable collectivism is anathema to those of libertarian bent. Denial becomes the only available response.

    Harmless, enough, I suppose, in celebrity columnists and their cheer squads. But fairly dangerous in leaders.

    There’s a bit of the cheer squad active here. Willfully blind idealism is harmless enough I suppose.

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  61. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9582070/Milners-mystery-man-a-killer

    Helen Milner the ‘black widow’ had a relationship with a guy who went on to become a killer. She is seriously deranged and evil.

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  62. Left Right and Centre (2,390 comments) says:

    dime – Sue Bradford or Pam Corkery ? Who sounds worse ?

    They sound posher than the Queen compared to the average white trash caller on talkback. Turn them off then mate. I do. Fuck-king hell. Sue Henry – I have to get rid of her voice when it comes on – excruciating.

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  63. Fletch (5,721 comments) says:

    Why Iran really needs nuclear capability –

    A top Iranian lawmaker and cleric said that the country’s uranium enrichment program could allow it to build a nuclear weapon “in two weeks” in order to “put down Israel,” according to multiple reports in the Farsi language press.

    Iranian lawmaker and cleric Muhammad Nabavian said on Friday that Iran would be able to build a nuclear bomb in “two weeks” if it gets “access to 270 kilograms of 20 percent [enriched uranium], 10 tons of 5 percent, and 20 thousand centrifuges,” according to reports on Iran’s Radio Farda and in Fararu.

    “We are not looking for a nuclear bomb, but having a nuclear bomb is necessary to put down Israel,” Nabavian said, according to an independent translation of his remarks provided to the Washington Free Beacon.

    Nabavian went on to claim that President Barack Obama had courted Iranian President Hassan Rouhani in the lead up to nuclear negotiations with the West last year.

    http://freebeacon.com/iranian-cleric-having-a-nuclear-bomb-is-necessary-to-put-down-israel/

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  64. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    Lr&c – I never watch nz news. I clicked a link to Bradford’s cc story. That was enough for me.

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  65. Fletch (5,721 comments) says:

    Pointing out more Obama lies: Obama says his father served in World War II, which would be possible if they allowed 3 year olds to serve.

    Perhaps a clue comes from Obama’s book on his father. He states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I’m not a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama’s “birth certificate” says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when Obama was born. That should have put his father’s date of birth approximately 1936 – if my math holds (Honest! I did That without a calculator!). Now we need a non-revised history book – one that hasn’t been altered to satisfy the author’s goals – to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and 1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in Wars? Even in the latest stages of WW II his father wouldn’t have been more than 9 years old. Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes?

    http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/01/05/obama-says-father-served-world-war-ii/

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  66. Fletch (5,721 comments) says:

    Former boxer Evander Holyfield censured by Celebrity Big Brother (which he is taking part in), for saying during the TV programme that he believes in the Biblical view that homosexuality is wrong.

    Brendan O’Neill writes about how intolerant Britain is becoming.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100253076/the-censuring-of-evander-holyfield-shows-how-intolerant-modern-britain-is-becoming/

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  67. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    A dodgy weather man and oxygen thief open his mouth to claim the sky is falling:

    Mozzies will come up trumps but winter snow on the Tararua Range and Martinborough’s famed pinot noir are under threat from global warming.

    While leading Wairarapa winemakers say the region’s top drop is safe for a while yet, climate scientist Jim Salinger is warning its days could be numbered as temperatures rise.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9582791/Doom-clouds-over-Wairarapas-pinot

    The imbecile Salinger, a source of endless entertainment?

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  68. Left Right and Centre (2,390 comments) says:

    dime – subtitle option ? :) Nah – you can still see the giveaway retarded facial contortions that resemble a combination of mild electric current being passed through the face and sucking expired lemons.

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  69. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Wine production and quality varies a lot seasonally due to varying weather conditions, so if figures that if climate change impacts on seasonal weather it will affect wine.

    There’s no question about if, it’s only how much and how often changes might impact.

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  70. Left Right and Centre (2,390 comments) says:

    Fletch – Celebrity Big Brother has freedom of speech too dude. Tell me – is it blasphemous when I rub my lovestick on the good book ? Kind of turns me on.

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  71. Fletch (5,721 comments) says:

    I’m getting negs for my Obama WWII post above? Why? The video is there – he said it. And the fact is, his father wasn’t old enough to serve in WWII. SO why the negs?

    Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. (/ˈbærək huːˈseɪn oʊˈbɑːmə/;[12][13] 18 June 1936[2] − 24 November 1982)

    Wiki

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  72. edhunter (434 comments) says:

    Fletch maybe just maybe he was referring to his Grandfather :Stanley Dunham is the grandfather of Barack Obama. He was born in 1918 and served as a sergeant in the U.S. Army during World War II, enlisting just after the attacks on Pearl Harbor. Stanley and his wife Madelyn raised Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii.

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  73. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Another lie from the Messiah, a leopard never change its spots. The Kenyan lives on.

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  74. Left Right and Centre (2,390 comments) says:

    I’m having my own homosexual holy trinity fantasy – if you know what I mean. :)

    I’m just so unnatural and wrong it’s not funny.

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  75. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    edhunter

    The Kenyan clearly states my “father”…….doesn’t sound too grand.

    But then he’s a serial liar who has been protected by a compliant media.

    No Republican would be allowed to make the same “mis spokes” that this commie has been allowed.

    http://www.torontosun.com/videos/news/world/1225519502001/baracks-back-story/1660343687001

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  76. Scott Chris (5,677 comments) says:

    I’m sure you have seen plenty of fights..

    Worked at the Ellerslie Oaks as a barman for three years while at uni actually Dim. Fight most Thursdays.

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  77. Bruce Forbes (5 comments) says:

    The recent “Ship of Fools” incident in the Antarctic puts into stark relief the gulfs that have developed between the mainstream news media – particularly the left-leaning side – and the blogosphere. The former strongly support the CAGW scam and the latter is strongly skeptical of it. The other gulf is the one that has developed between real science and the pseudo-science that much of “climate science” has become. It must be galling for real scientists, most of whom work away in obscurity for their entire careers doing often useful work, to observe the shenanigans of their “climate science” colleagues, who are mostly second and third raters, deeply involved in rent-seeking, publicity stunts and the publishing of “pal reviewed” papers in journals that are mostly controlled by like-minded zealots. Of course there are many exceptions to the general rule, most notably Prof. Freeman Dyson of Princeton and Prof. Richard Lindzen of MIT.

    One can only hope that the “Ship of Fools” incident will turn out to be a tipping point for the inevitable demise of the pernicious CAGW movement.

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  78. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    Bruce

    The media has jumped on the Salinger bandwagon with gusto and the fact that Federated Farmers are using him in order to get more dams built.

    I’m not good on stats (and a lot of other things) in the attached story FF says “Last winter was warmer and he (Salinger) puts it at 1.27 degrees C above the 1961-1990 long term average”

    This increase is being touted through our media as global warming ,1.27 degree C,but in fact is it not simply above a long term cherry picked average?

    This needs to be addressed rather than simply presented by Salinger as global warming with our compliant media playing propagandist.

    http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/dr-jim-salinger-gets-surprising-backer/5/178543

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  79. Carlos (684 comments) says:

    Feral children in Christchurch. I wonder how their parents will react if they see the video.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/national/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503075&gal_cid=1503075&gallery_id=140109

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  80. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    LRC

    Feel free to rub your love stick on any book you please .But if you really want to make a brave statement about freedom of expression why not try the Koran,post a video even ,give your name and address ,I’m sure there’d be more than a few members of the religion of peace and tolerance would be prepared o prove how true that constantly repeated lie is….

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2014/01/us-woman-gets-10-years-terror-plot-20141617405415238.html

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  81. Paulus (2,296 comments) says:

    Wasn’t Salinger dismissed from NIWA for falsifying the New Zealand Climate statistics to the now discredited UN Climate Change report ?

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  82. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Fletch-
    Had Holyfield been Muslim and stated that he believed Homosexuality to be wrong how do you think they would have handled it?
    Worth noting also that Muhammad Ali (who is seemingly everyone’s hero these days) regularly used to spout off against gay folk…

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  83. dirty harry (240 comments) says:

    “Feral children in Christchurch. I wonder how their parents will react if they see the video.”

    Tomorrows prisoners I’m afraid. The parents wouldn’t give a toss because scum produce scum. The feral cycle continues supported by Winz while we all look on slack jawed..

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  84. hj (5,692 comments) says:

    ‘Terrible mistake’ by BBC on immigration, blasts Nick Robinson
    BBC political editor Nick Robinson yesterday admitted the Corporation was too slow to acknowledge problems and concerns about mass immigration under Labour.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/452269/Terrible-mistake-by-BBC-on-immigration-blasts-Nick-Robinson

    of course Aotearoa is different?

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  85. hj (5,692 comments) says:

    UN head of immigration urges action in the face of “toxic populism”

    But even more ambitious action is needed. When they gather at the UN in October, policymakers should take courage from the reform trailblazers in the US, Germany, the UAE, and elsewhere. If profound change is possible at the national level in the face of toxic populism, it should come more easily at the international level, where cooperation produces mostly winners. (The losers generally are bad actors: smugglers, traffickers, abusive recruiters, and exploitative employers.)
    Read more at http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/progress-worldwide-on-immigration-reform-by-peter-sutherland#qG36A2BPb73fBQmM.99

    so when you know what’s right you just force it on people. He knows what’s right: he has a string of honorary this and that (like distinguished professor Spoonley).

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  86. Dean Papa (616 comments) says:

    Because you’re a gullible cretinous fool???

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/service.asp

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  87. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    fletch

    Going by the age of jihadi enlistments these days then Obongos old man coulda been in the war…..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534657/Ten-year-old-girl-captured-attempted-detonate-suicide-vest-outside-police-station-Afghanistan.html

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  88. hj (5,692 comments) says:

    ” What did Churchill think of ending Western white rule of people of color? Here he is in 1937: “I do not admit … that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia … by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race … has come in and taken its place.”

    In short, Churchill’s convictions about the superiority of some races and civilizations, and their inherent right to rule what Rudyard Kipling called “the lesser breeds without the law,” was and is the antithesis of what Obama believes.

    Any wonder Obama shipped that bust of Churchill that “W” kept in the Oval Office back to the British embassy? Any surprise Obama failed to show up at the funeral of Margaret Thatcher, who sent the fleet to retake the Falkland Islands from Argentina?

    The point: Obama’s vision of an ideal world and Churchill’s are irreconcilable.

    Read more: http://triblive.com/opinion/featuredcommentary/5318353-74/obama-churchill-equal#ixzz2pfhtGT8q
    Follow us: @triblive on Twitter | triblive on Facebook

    you need to read the whole piece.

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  89. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    Dean papa

    You’re article states Obongo had a Kenyan father,an Indonesian step father ,who sent him to madrassa,as as well as the grnddad who did actually bring him up……

    wow he really is an all American guy then?

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  90. hj (5,692 comments) says:

    The point of Obama, Churchill article is this:

    Across Europe, globalism and transnationalism, as represented by the eurozone and EU, seem in retreat, as nationalism is resurgent. Now it is the UKIP, a new British independence party, that seeks to secede from the EU that is surging — at the expense of the Tories.

    Let France be France! Let Britain be Britain! Let Scotland be Scotland! These are the cries coming from the hearts of Europeans rejecting mass immigration and the madness of multiculturalism.

    All men may be equal in rights. But most prefer their own faith, country, culture, civilization and kind. They cherish and wish to maintain their own unique and separate identities. They do not want to disappear into some great amalgam of the New World Order.

    Whether globalism or nationalism prevails, the big battle is coming.

    Pat Buchanan is the author of “Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?”
    http://triblive.com/opinion/featuredcommentary/5318353-74/obama-churchill-equal#ixzz2pfhtGT8q

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  91. axeman (250 comments) says:

    Will this be the (northern) winter when AGW froze to death?
    http://notrickszone.com/2014/01/06/cooling-grips-worldwide-england-and-germany-no-warming-in-25-years-now-at-1980s-level/

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  92. Fletch (5,721 comments) says:

    Because you’re a gullible cretinous fool???

    Here’s a comment by a blogger on the WWII thing –

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/27/obamas-staff-corrects-wwii-story/

    This link, which is often cited as a rebuttal to the “Obama says his father served in WWII” story, is NOT about Obama’s June 28, 2008 remarks.

    Please not that the dateline on this link is MAY 27, 2008. A full month BEFORE the My-daddy-served-in-WWII whopper.

    To date, I have yet to find ANY correction, rebuttal, explanation, etc. of these remarks except the completely lame and obviously biased Snopes report.

    Snopes lists this as “False,” but it is, in fact, True. Quite simply, Snopes is lying about this, and offers only a very lame, “He meant ‘grandfather’ explanation.

    BUT Obama’s camp NEVER rebutted, corrected, explained or clarified this remark. Never.

    Again I stress: There never was, and has never been, any official clarification, explanation, etc. from Obama, his 2008 campaign, or anyone in his administration. Period.

    He said it. Never corrected it. End of story.

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  93. stephieboy (1,127 comments) says:

    More buffoonery and xenophobic idiocy from the Birther movement ,

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/08/12/another_day_another_birther.html

    And if some of the above posters are an indication there are still sore losers post 14/11/ 12.

    Get over it and move on .!

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  94. F E Smith (3,273 comments) says:

    Get over it and move on .!

    Yes, they should show the same respect that the left accorded G W Bush’s win in the 2000 US election.

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  95. stephieboy (1,127 comments) says:

    Fletch

    End what story exactly.???

    Meanwhile more here.

    Embracing Idiocy : Creationism , Climate change Denial and Birthers,

    http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/embracing-idiocy-creationism-climate-change-denial-and-birthers/

    And the Debunkers guide to Obama Conspiracy theories ,

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/

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  96. Fletch (5,721 comments) says:

    stephieboy, I wouldn’t call myself a climate change “denier”. How can you deny something that’s not even happening?

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  97. stephieboy (1,127 comments) says:

    F E Smith .

    I don’t believe George Bush was ever subjected to the same kind of critical vitriol than the first Black American President ever was by the Tea Bagger and Birther movement.!

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  98. stephieboy (1,127 comments) says:

    Fletch ,deny something thats not even happening.??

    Well thats a matter opinion but its interesting how birds of feather tend to flock together – Tea baggers, Birthers, Libertarians , Creationist etc, etc

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  99. PhilP (139 comments) says:

    @ Scott Chris

    “Stomping on some who is defenceless is at least as bad as a king hit

    Yeah. Maybe Buck Shelford and Andrew Hore shoulda got 2 years as well.

    Not excusing Packer’s behaviour in any way but all things considered the 2 year sentence imposed is ludicrous. Rogue Judge.

    Cue howls of outrage and 30 downvotes.”

    You’re a Legend in your own lunch time Scott, you’re almost there ole chap!

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  100. igm (859 comments) says:

    Are APN now trying to outdo Fairfax in their public support and assistance for the Labour/Green movement of envy?

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  101. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Griff writing under a pseudonym:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/letters-to-the-editor/9582444/Letter-Warming-trend-is-well-established

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  102. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Wasn’t Salinger dismissed from NIWA for falsifying the New Zealand Climate statistics to the now discredited UN Climate Change report ?

    He was. Salinger is a con-man of monumental credentials.

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  103. Maggy Wassilieff (180 comments) says:

    @Paulus, @ Manola…. No.. Jim Salinger was dismissed from NIWA for breaching its Media policy.

    He continued to communicate with the Media after having this role taken from him.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3185809/Jim-Salinger-sacking-justified-ERA

    I do not believe NIWA has ever distanced itself from Salinger’s research. I think his temperature data is still pretty central to NIWA’s temperature record
    https://www.niwa.co.nz/climate/nz-temperature-record
    (However, this isn’t really my field of interest…. someone may be more up with the play)

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  104. Nostradamus (2,767 comments) says:

    More Key Derangement Syndrome over at The Standard, courtesy of Greg “Silent T for PM” Presland:

    Back in February 2010 John Key said that he had a potential solution to solving the whaling crisis which he would discuss with Hillary Clinton and that he would take his plan to the upcoming International Whaling Commission meeting. Regrettably nothing ever came of it. As Eddie commented at the time it appeared that Key was talking out of his arse. It subsequently transpired that Key had formed the view that to save the whales you had to kill the whales.

    John Key hopefully now understands that a merchant banker negotiation approach to international treaties designed to protect endangered species is the wrong approach to use.

    Presumably, Presland thinks Key should have followed Helen Clark’s lead, and issued a press release:

    Helen Clark
    29 July, 2000

    NZ deplores new Japanese whaling plans in North Pacific

    Prime Minister Helen Clark said today it was deplorable that Japan was again ignoring world opinion and embarking on a new programme of so-called scientific whaling in the Pacific in the North Pacific.

    “New Zealand condemns this latest Japanese proposal to slaughter whales.

    “Japan’s action defies a resolution condemning its whaling programme passed at the recent Adelaide meeting of the International Whaling Commission and it defies top-level representations from President Clinton, Tony Blair and others.

    “The Adelaide meeting of the IWC resolved that the information sought by the Japanese did not justify the killing of whales for research purposes, and that such information could be obtained by non-lethal purposes.

    “Japan continues to ignore the clear majority of the IWC nations, which supported the IWC resolution against its whaling programme.

    “New Zealand again calls on Japan to heed the wishes of the global community on this issue,” Helen Clark said.

    This own goal from Presland was brought to you by the letters D, I, C, K, H, E, A and D.

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  105. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    A new Federal Reserve Bank boss: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/07/business/economy/Yellen-Senate-Vote.html?hp&_r=0

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  106. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Darian Fenton strikes again

    She wants serious injuries included in the road toll. So, Darian we include people in the toll who are not dead. How long do they stay on this toll Darian before they get off the toll, two weeks 6 months what?? Do you have to loose three pints or more to be considered?, does the lose have to include two gross amputations to be considered or will one suffice if you get a bit of a limp out of it.

    You fucking fucking fucking ……. , there is already a table compiled that is made public annually showing lose of productivity and the cost to the individual for those who don’t get smoked.

    Politicking on road deaths nothing but a creature.

    Darian you are an embarrassment to human kind not just women and the labour party.

    This mad bint could be included in cabinet in 2017 or 2020 – to the barricades

    .

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  107. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Graham Lowe you bloody legend!
    On tonight’s news he came out and said that Russell Packer deserved his jail time for such a vicious assault.
    Compare this to ‘Sir’ Graham Henry’s arrogant comments to the media in support of Rene Ranger (who was on charges for bashing a guy unconscious..)

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  108. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Nostradamous

    The PM has got the lefties fucked. They are in a spin.

    Walter Mittys number 1 fan boy Mickey will get more deranged as the year goes on as well .When labour loose again its bye-bye Greggy boy for the board positions that he will expect for filling up his Facebook with idolatry images of Walter.

    Gregs Facebook is like that of a teenage girl regards Walter, it really sad , really really sad. So sad I didn’t even attempt to make a comment on it , his kids will be embarassed enough

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  109. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Longknives

    Difference is Ranger was found Not Guilty after a hearing, Packer pleaded guilty. So GH was vindicated in his comment.

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  110. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Henry’s comment were well before the trial PEB…
    And we all know no jury in NZ is going to convict an All Black! A bit like no jury in Liverpool was ever going to convict Steven Gerrard when he snotted that DJ…

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  111. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    I said vindication LK-

    Keith Robinson has been convicted several times.

    Doug Rolleson

    Several others but i can’t be bothered looking up

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  112. cha (3,534 comments) says:

    Where ugly obtained his degree in law fuckwittery.

    At the end of 18 months you will sit for a major examination. When you pass this written examination, you will receive your Law degree and a special Bar License to practice in all secular courts.

    The School will approach bar associations, to accredit you as a lawyer licensed to practice in federal courts through the pro hac vice rule or through MJP (multi-jurisdictional practice) procedures in conformity with the adoption of the The Role of Lawyers at the 8th United Nations Congress on the Prevention of Crime and the Treatment of Offenders, Havana, Cuba, 27th August to 7th September, 1990. You must understand that we need to instruct other sovereigns that we are equals, and not inferior to them.

    http://www.scripturalaw.org/ecj-syllabus.html

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  113. F E Smith (3,273 comments) says:

    I don’t believe George Bush was ever subjected to the same kind of critical vitriol than the first Black American President ever was by the Tea Bagger and Birther movement.!

    Were you living under a rock between 2001 and 2008? Because you cannot otherwise have written that in seriousness?

    The Democrats even argued that McCain was ineligible because he was born in Panama, so that is little different to the Birthers.

    And why do you use an abusive and vulgar term to describe Tea Party members?

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  114. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    Steph is suffering from a sexual identity crisis. A week at Wainui Mountain with the sheep should solve his/hers problems! :)

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  115. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    The problem that Barry has with his birth is that his [black] father rejected him!!!!!!!

    He was adopted by his mother’s second husband in Hawaii at around 5yrs old so that he could be educated in Indonesia[indonesian law then only allowed kids under 6 to be adopted[foreign kids I think] so that they can enter into Indonesian schools.]

    Hawaii has a long certificate[original] and short certificate[later certificate where changes are made - adoption ect.]

    The original certificate is true and correct.

    However, the ‘digital’ record[a copy of the short certificate] that Obama has presented to the press has proven to be altered – and it is to hide the fact he was later adopted.[ letters typed on the certificate that became the 'digital record' don't correspond with letters above and below them]

    And that is why there is suspicion upon his birth ect as those who work for the Births office in Hawaii are NOT ALLOWED TO INDICATE BY LAW THAT SOMEONE IS ADOPTED – hence the statement – “we have seen the ORIGINAL birth certificate” repeated over and over. And they can never mention a ‘short certificate’ – hence aids of Barry then altered it to hide his adoption.

    “Dreams of My Father.” What a fucken fraud!!!!!! :cool:

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  116. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    Tough being black and having a black father reject you Harriet.

    Must make you feel that you have to reach for the top in whatever you do! :)

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  117. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    Minus is out on parole tonight I see! :)

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  118. nasska (9,506 comments) says:

    A bloke goes to see his doctor about a problem that he has. Once in the surgery, the doc asks the guy what is wrong with him. The guy replies “well doc, you see I’ve got this problem and it’s really quite embarrassing”. “Go on” says the doctor. “Well” continues the guy “I’ve got an orange penis!” “Never!” says the doctor “I’m sorry but I don’t believe you”.

    So the man pulls down his trousers and underpants, ‘whips it out’ and sure enough there for all to see is a bright orange penis. “Well I never” says the doc. “This is a form of a rash that I have seen in other parts of the body, but never ‘there’, and it’s normally caused by great amounts of stress in a person’s life – can you tell me about your work life?”

    The guy replies “Well, I got sacked two months ago..”. “Ah!” says the doctor “so that must be the problem”. “Well I don’t think so” replies the guy “I really hated my last job – the hours were terrible, the work was boring and my boss was a total prick. Now I’ve got a new job with better pay, better hours, it’s interesting and my boss is cool”.

    “Okay” says the doc “So that isn’t the problem. What about your home life?” To this the guy replies “Well, I’m currently going through a divorce from my wife”. “Ah!” says the doctor “so that must be the problem”. “Well I don’t think so” replies the guy “She was a real bitch, my ex-wife. All she did all day was nag, nag, nag – I’m so glad to be rid of her”.

    “Okay” says the doc “So that isn’t the problem. What about your social life?” To this the guy replies “err… well I don’t really have one – most nights I just stay home, watch porn and eat Cheezels…”

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  119. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    I’m off to the Quack next week to see if he can recommend a cure for my dick being all slippery and smelling of lanolin nasska! :)

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  120. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Two cavemen were standing outside a cave.

    Said one to the other – “I’ve just taught her to talk, I don’t think anything bad will come of it.” :cool:

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  121. nasska (9,506 comments) says:

    Johnboy awoke feeling lewd
    But his pet sheep was not in the mood
    Yet relief was at hand
    For our man of the land
    As the neighbour’s goats he pursued.

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  122. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    Unfortunately both of them came here to chat Harriet! :)

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  123. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    nasska from Ekatahuna
    Fancied himself as a crooner
    He wailed all the night
    And gave the dogs fright
    Just as well summer mornings are sooner

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  124. nasska (9,506 comments) says:

    Wainuiomata…where men are men & sheep are nervous. :)

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  125. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    All my virtual sheep are extremely confidant except when they pop over the hill to the Wairarapa nasska.

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  126. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Wainuiomata…

    ……..now that really is bum crack valley!

    You ever do that chick Cloe JB? :cool:

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  127. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    She liked Henry driving his model trains into her tunnel Harriet.

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  128. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    I do believe she went into a partnership with the Mayor of Invercargill once though Harriet….. You can look it up!

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  129. Dean Papa (616 comments) says:

    I believe there have been studies which confirm that the brains of rightards are wired differently. Rightards struggle to conduct coherent and logical argument. They are unable to differentiate between the trivial and non-trivial. This explains why they are often is a state of bewilderment, and are terrified of science. Whether Bazza misspoke when he said it was his father, when he meant grandfather, or if he referred to his grandfather as his father because that was how it was when he was growing up, is of no importance. Either truth would be perfectly acceptable.

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  130. Dean Papa (616 comments) says:

    I agree with LK. The Packer case aside, it does seem to me that the indiscretions of league players over in Oz get way more media coverage in NZ than is merited, while the bad behaviour of our own ABs is often played down. Who’d have known that Keith Robinson had been convicted of anything ,let alone several things.

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  131. Dean Papa (616 comments) says:

    W, the greatest President the USofA never had,

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  132. Scott Chris (5,677 comments) says:

    Yes, they should show the same respect that the left accorded G W Bush’s win in the 2000 US election.

    Err, difference is that the democrats had good reason to complain about the 2000 election. The birthers don’t.

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  133. cha (3,534 comments) says:

    W, the greatest President the USofA never had

    Nah, that’ll be Ronnie Raygun.

    “Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do.”

    “Facts are stupid things.”

    “Fascism was really the basis for the New Deal.”

    “The best minds are not in government.”

    “This fellow they’ve nominated claims he’s the new Thomas Jefferson. Well let me tell you something; I knew Thomas Jefferson. He was a friend of mine and Governor… You’re no Thomas Jefferson!”

    http://www.allhatnocattle.net/reagan%20quotes.htm

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  134. itstricky (1,139 comments) says:

    Here Dean Papa – I extracted it just for Fletch so he didn’t have to go to all that effort of reading it.

    Critics soon seized on this statement as a deliberate falsehood, ignoring the fact that Barack Obama’s complicated family tree encompasses multiple fathers and instead focusing on but one of them and proclaiming that President Obama told a blatant lie despite knowing it would be patently obvious to anyone moderately familiar with his background (or anyone who took the simple expedient of looking up the date of his biological father’s birth).

    The list of Barack Obama’s fathers includes Barack Obama, Sr., his biological father; Lolo Soetoro, the Indonesia stepfather with whom Barack Obama lived for four years; and Stanley Armour Dunham, the maternal grandfather with whom Barack Obama lived in Hawaii for eight years. The latter was the person whom Barack Obama cited as the primary paternal influence in his life.

    Barack Obama Sr. (born 1936), was a Kenyan who came to America at the age of 23 and attended the University of Hawaii, where he met and married Stanley Ann Dunham — a marriage that produced one son, Barack Obama Jr., who is now President of the United States. However, Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham separated when their son was but a small child; the former returned to Kenya to work as a government economist, while the latter embarked on another marriage with an Indonesian national named Lolo Soetoro (born 1935). Barack
    Obama Jr. lived with his mother and stepfather in Indonesia for four years, then from the age of ten onwards he lived with his maternal grandparents, Stanley Armour Dunham (born 1918) and Madelyn Lee Payne Dunham.

    Fletch, you know it happens here too don’t you? Shock, horror? I mean it might be frowned upon but children often are raised by their Grandparents. They think nothing of it. BTW, It’s not a left wing conspiracy, this whole living with grandparents thing.

    Quite hillarious really. Any rationally thinking human being who didn’t like Obama would jump on it as a gaff that he’d made – pointing out that he wasn’t at the top of his game etc. Birthers jump on it as dingo-shaped-aliens-in-a-UFO-stole-my-baby.

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  135. F E Smith (3,273 comments) says:

    Rightards struggle to conduct coherent and logical argument. They are unable to differentiate between the trivial and non-trivial.

    That is, without doubt, one of the biggest load of bollocks that you will ever read here on KB, people.

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  136. F E Smith (3,273 comments) says:

    Err, difference is that the democrats had good reason to complain about the 2000 election.

    Not really.  But don’t let that stop you believing so.  It makes my point, though.

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  137. Left Right and Centre (2,390 comments) says:

    Which good book was being referred to kowtow ?

    The stoneagers sure are batshit crazy mofos. What a fucked up planet – all of these idiots believing in the supernatural.

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  138. Left Right and Centre (2,390 comments) says:

    (1) People who are victims of tragedy beyond their control – breaks your heart…..

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/9584407/Ashburton-teen-claimed-by-disease

    (2) And then there’s this shit…..

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/9581925/Six-year-old-boy-killed-driving-adult-quad-bike

    Mmmmm….. not so much…..

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  139. Scott Chris (5,677 comments) says:

    It makes my point, though.

    Err, no. Not saying the 2000 election result was wrong, just that there definitely controversial aspects to how the Florida ballot process was conducted which had a direct bearing on Bush being elected. The ‘birther’ issue on the other hand has no basis in fact.

    The Florida election has been closely scrutinized since the election, and several irregularities are thought to have favored Bush. These included the Palm Beach “butterfly ballot,” which produced an unexpectedly large number of votes for third-party candidate Patrick Buchanan. Also noted was a purge of over 54,000 citizens from the Florida voting rolls identified as felons, of whom 54% were African-Americans. The majority of these were not felons and should have been eligible to vote under Florida law. Additionally, there were many more ‘overvotes’ than usual, especially in predominantly African-American precincts in Duval county (Jacksonville), where some 27,000 ballots showed two or more choices for President. Unlike the much-discussed Palm Beach County ‘butterfly ballot,’ the Duval County ballot spread choices for President over two pages with instructions to ‘vote on every page’ on the bottom of each page.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida,_2000#Recount_irregularities

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  140. F E Smith (3,273 comments) says:

    Um, yes. The US left spent 8 years bitching and moaning about how G W Bush ‘stole’ the 2000 election. Wouldn’t let it rest, even after he easily won the 2004 election.

    The Birther issue is no different. The only difference there is that because Obama is half-black his supporters feel able to point at his opponents and say ‘you are racist for opposing Obama’, which is the biggest load of bollocks after anything Yoza says.

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