General Debate 9 January 2014

January 9th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Pete George (23,415 comments) says:

    Some interesting ideas on a Universal Basic Income.

    We at least should be looking at simplifying our overly complex tax and welfare systems.

    And there’s some very interesting discussion on it here: http://thestandard.org.nz/ubi/
    Really.

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  2. jp_1983 (201 comments) says:

    My answer to the UBI

    Margaret Thatcher on Socialism

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  3. Scott Chris (6,010 comments) says:

    Yeah I was wrong about Packer. Having read a description of the CCTV footage I think he got what he deserved.

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  4. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Wedding of the year!
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9590440/Secrecy-over-talk-of-Bain-wedding

    Woman’s Day/New Idea etc will be creaming themselves with excitement!
    I hope Judith has her best frock at the ready?

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  5. Keeping Stock (10,245 comments) says:

    Big ups Scott Chris; admitting that you were wrong is classy :D

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  6. Judith (8,526 comments) says:

    @ Longknives (3,654 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 8:12 am

    No, I’m saving my best dress to wear at the celebrations when Kent Parker gets hung out to dry for telling lies to judges and defaming people. :-)

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  7. duggledog (1,479 comments) says:

    Will Bain’s wedding get more media coverage than Mandela’s funeral?

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  8. duggledog (1,479 comments) says:

    Will Bain’s wedding be a shotgun wedding?

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  9. Harriet (4,723 comments) says:

    A Satanic group has revealed designs for a 7ft tall monument of a goat-headed demon it wishes to see erected at the Oklahoma state Capitol. [Go and have a look at the drawing - I swear Kea did it! :cool: ]

    The illustration, which depicts Satan as Baphomet sitting on a pentagram throne flanked by two children, was formally submitted by the New York-based Satanic Temple on Monday, the Associated Press reports.

    The proposed location would see the statue placed adjacent to a Ten Commandments monument.

    A statement from Satanic Temple spokesman Lucien Greaves says: “The monument has been designed to reflect the views of Satanists in Oklahoma City and beyond.

    “The statue will also have a functional purpose as a chair where all people of all ages may sit on the lap of Satan for inspiration and contemplation.”

    At the time of press, the group had raised $16,146 of the required $20,000 to build the statue.

    The group says the erection of the privately-funded Ten Commandments monument in 2012 cleared the way for its own structure.

    But politicians in the state have insisted Satanists should not be given the same treatment as Christians.

    “This is a faith-based nation and a faith-based state,” Republican Earl Sears tells Raw Story.

    He added: “I think it is very offensive they would contemplate or even have this kind of conversation.”

    An online statement for the group lobbying for the new statue reads: “The mission of The Satanic Temple is to encourage benevolence and empathy among all people. In addition, we embrace practical common sense and justice.

    “As Satanists we should all be guided by our conscience to undertake noble pursuits guided by our individual wills. We believe that this is the hope of all mankind and the highest aspiration of humanity.”

    No. Abusing Christians is not a noble pursuit, nor the highest aspiration of humanity. :cool:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/07/satanic-temple–application-7ft-demon-erected-ten-commandments-picture_n_4553620.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk-ws-bb%7Cdl14%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D234784

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  10. Paulus (2,586 comments) says:

    Am amused at the Christchurch Council’s coastal flood report.

    What the Council will do will be worth watching for be assured Insurance is not involved. Insurance is for events that are sudden and accidental – such as an Earthquake or Fire and not for erosion which is foreseen.

    I assume that like the Bay of Plenty coastal regions – Papamoa – Tsunami, that the affected property LIM’s will be noted by the Council. This could have a serious effect on house prices and sales.

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  11. nasska (11,047 comments) says:

    Harriet

    ….”The proposed location would see the statue placed adjacent to a Ten Commandments monument. “….

    More clutter. We need less homage to mythical beings, Satan included.

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  12. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “We need less homage to mythical beings, Satan included.”

    I dunno Nasska- That would rule out some of my favourite old head-bangin’ songs!

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  13. dog_eat_dog (772 comments) says:

    I’m a fan of the UBI as it allows you to cap welfare costs and you probably wouldn’t need a massive administrative set-up to run it. Those are two pretty solid advantages over the current mess we have.

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  14. jcuk (663 comments) says:

    Good link and interesting PG.
    A chair to Satan makes as much sense as a Ten Commandments statue …. they do funny things the religious koots of America and the world.
    Religion is the both the best and the worst thing mankind has come up with.

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  15. duggledog (1,479 comments) says:

    Professor Doug Sellman has just equated the drunk boy and this situation in NZ to child suicide bombers in Afghanistan on Radio Live, to the nodding encouragement of Wallis Chapman.

    Wallis is to take over Sunday mornings from Chris Laidlaw. I think I’m having a bad dream and I’ll wake up shortly…

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  16. Left Right and Centre (2,910 comments) says:

    I thought that in this world there are too many important happenings to fit into the allotted time on the TV news.

    Clearly I’m mistaken.

    A bunch of nerds in no real danger stuck on a ship. Daily updates.

    Who. Gives. A. Fuck.

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  17. nasska (11,047 comments) says:

    Longknives

    Best hard rock band….ever!

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  18. Elaycee (4,348 comments) says:

    duggledog:

    Will Bain’s wedding be a shotgun wedding?

    There’s a rumour the guest list is a very brief one but apparently some folk are dying to be there! :)

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  19. nasska (11,047 comments) says:

    For some reason the groom’s family will not be attending Elaycee. :)

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  20. lilman (948 comments) says:

    Fuck Judith,dont be so selective on hating those who tell lies,after all your masturbating fantasy Bain ,is a Proven liar.

    But you are female,so I do understand.

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  21. Nostalgia-NZ (5,079 comments) says:

    The panty waists are out and about.

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  22. James Stephenson (2,123 comments) says:

    Best hard rock band….ever!

    Big call, especially if your definition of “Hard Rock” covers Zeppelin, Sabbath, Deep Purple or the Who, but well done for making it.

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  23. James Stephenson (2,123 comments) says:

    There’s a rumour the guest list is a very brief one but apparently some folk are dying to be there!

    Just watch the guests scatter when the photographer announces it’s time for the family shots.

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  24. duggledog (1,479 comments) says:

    Keep the Bain gags coming. After the ‘Cody The Nine Year Old’ I need it!

    I’m assuming Karam will be Best Man

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  25. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Will Bain’s wedding be a shotgun wedding?

    .22 less cleaning up after the reception

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  26. James Stephenson (2,123 comments) says:

    Best man, celebrant, and both the ushers probably, dd.

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  27. stephieboy (2,616 comments) says:

    Judith will you be a bridesmaid or is it page boy.?
    At least the much elusive compo payout wont be funding our answer to “William and Kate” wedding of the year.

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  28. peterwn (3,232 comments) says:

    Scott – re Packer – right outcome but it would not have gone down that path in NZ. Apart from contempt of court, a judge gives ample notice if prison is on the cards so that a probation officer report, etc can be obtained. Also in NZ he would have been bailed pending an appeal against sentence (the NSW police did not oppose any bail).

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  29. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Longknives

    Best hard rock band….ever!

    Probably, certainly the only one of 30 years plus that can still fill a stadium. Metallica maybe

    In fact there are very few touring acts that fill a stadium these days.

    ACDC
    Stones
    Springsteen
    U2
    ??????????

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  30. stephieboy (2,616 comments) says:

    I’m assuming Karam will be Best Man

    And sole speech writer.?

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  31. James Stephenson (2,123 comments) says:

    Reckon you can add Rush to that list Paul.

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  32. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    PEB- A lot of the old metal bands fill stadiums Iron Maiden, Judas Priest etc
    Def Leppard too….

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  33. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Not to mention these guys-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpb-vPPnZYM

    You wanted the best you got the best!!

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  34. lilman (948 comments) says:

    One would have hoped that Bain would have given his brother a shot at best man.

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  35. OneTrack (2,954 comments) says:

    “and you probably wouldn’t need a massive administrative set-up to run it. ”

    You know this is New Zealand right? And that this policy wouldnt be implemented by National this year, more likely by the coalition of envy and hate next year and that will result in a massive increase in public servants?

    Furthermore, will the amount set be “enough” ie a “living Wage”. If not, you will still need all the existing machinery to handle the top-ups.

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  36. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Where has the tax money gone?

    We should be more concerned about the $1 billion dollars in Emissions Trading Scheme levies already collected by this Government through increased fuel and power charges. Where has this gone?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/letters-to-the-editor/9590981/Letter-Climate-change-is-a-natural-occurrence

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  37. dog_eat_dog (772 comments) says:

    OneTrack – I would hope it would be set up by a right of centre government so we didn’t end up with a massive department negating any savings. I’ve always understood the UBI to be paid out to everyone over a certain age, and in exchange, things like WFF, student allowances/loans and super would be eliminated. The ‘top-up’ is having a job.

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  38. Harriet (4,723 comments) says:

    “…….Crime rate drops – yet we are locking up more NZers?………A society should be judged on how it treats its worst members………………..This fact doesn’t stop the Sensible Sentencing Lynch Mob manipulating victim grief to demand the usual ‘longer harder’ prison crap and both main political parties have been guilty of playing to redneck vengeance rather than enlightened social policy…..”

    Martyn Bradbury View all articles by Martyn Bradbury January 9, 2014 at 10:11 am

    1st comment » Che’sCrushedSkull says: :cool:

    “…..A society should be judged on how it treats its worst members…’

    A society should be judged on how it deters people from becoming it’s worst offenders!

    The death penalty and/or long prison sentances can be used as a deterance from the truly innocent being killed; the NEXT victims of nuinced sentancing! Deterance, rehabilition and penalty are just three of the nuinces. And what weight each should carry is further more again.

    Hanging someone by mistake, is far far less likely to happen than someone becoming the next murder victim. Far, far less too than the number of women who regret having an abortion!

    Infact, murderers don’t take dna samples to see if they should kill their victim. Which then of course means, that conviction for murder without dna positives does not then lead to a hanging but a natural life term for murderers.

    If you do not value life with a life – then you are undervalueing life itself.

    Ironically then, and maybe ignorantly, you may well be one of societies worst members Martyn!

    There is such a thing as the Sanctity of Life.

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/01/09/crime-rate-drops-yet-we-are-locking-up-more-nzers/#comment-176562

    That’ll fuck him off! :cool:

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  39. Pete George (23,415 comments) says:

    I’ve always understood the UBI to be paid out to everyone over a certain age, and in exchange, things like WFF, student allowances/loans and super would be eliminated.

    It would have to be balanced against other payments. This would substantially simplify the system.

    Some of the more extreme proponents want a UBI along with free education, free health care etc but that would have to be a non-starter. A UBI would give people the choice to invest in whatever they think would best top up their basic incomes.

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  40. flipper (3,905 comments) says:

    WHERE IS NOAH WHEN CHRISTCHURCH NEEDS HIM???

    ” Rising sea levels threaten parts of Christchurch
    Emily Murphy, Newstalk ZB Experts are warning that rising sea levels will put some areas of coastal Christchurch under water within 100 years.
    ” A report by Taylor & Tonkin warns that South New Brighton, South Shore, Sumner, and Brooklands could become water logged if current sea level increases are anything to go by.
    It says a worst-case scenario of a two metre rise by 2100 can’t be ruled out – a great deal higher than previous predictions.
    The Christchurch City Council will take into account the reports findings when it formulates its district plan this year….”

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  41. dime (9,783 comments) says:

    “Probably, certainly the only one of 30 years plus that can still fill a stadium. Metallica maybe

    In fact there are very few touring acts that fill a stadium these days.

    ACDC
    Stones
    Springsteen
    U2
    ??????????”

    There arent a lot of stadium bands.

    Add to your list

    Metallica – plays a high percentage of stadium shows.
    Bon Jovi (biggest tour of 2013)

    Then you have bands like GNR (the axl version) – plays some stadium shows. none in north america
    Maiden – same as GNR

    and of course – Sir Paul McCartney. He would probably be the biggest of them all if he toured a lot.
    Elton John.. Billy Joel..

    Roger Waters – his last tour was fucking huge

    Black Sabbath

    The metal guys are big in europe and south america. more arenas in north america

    ____________________________________________________________________________________________

    Heres a quick statement of fact – if you can listen to AC/DC for a few songs and not smile or start feeling happy, youre either real old or lack taste :D

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  42. Colville (2,233 comments) says:

    Manolo.
    I just wish that the 100,000 carbon units I “own” were worth more than a few cents each!
    Back in ’09 (?) when I got the first chunk of them I should have flogged them off at $20 each and blown the dosh! dammit!

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  43. skyblue (208 comments) says:

    November building consents issued rise 20% from October, mainly for apartments; big increase in Auckland.

    Let the building boom begin. I am in the construction area supplying chemicals so along with increased O&G exploration we should have a good year.

    Vote Cuntliffe get Norman.

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  44. Jack5 (4,997 comments) says:

    Pete George opens the General Debate thread today at 8.04am with a post on “universal basic income” that links to his own blog. He does not disclose this link will take you to his blog.

    Pete do you think that when you put up a link to your own blog, you should tell us the link is to your own blog?

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  45. Keeping Stock (10,245 comments) says:

    @ flipper – hasn’t some soul in Christchurch already built their own version of Noah’s Ark, somewhere up in the Cashmere Hills? I seem to remember seeing something on the telly a while back.

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  46. dime (9,783 comments) says:

    Dime was listening to the joe rogan podcast last night. I like Joe some of the time. When hes not being a stoner douche.

    Anyway, he had a guest on who said a couple of things that interested me.

    1) Studies show two parent households living below the poverty line work a combined total of 16 hours a week on average. Whether the economy is booming or in recession. Basically, they choose not to work cause its easy to stay home.

    2) Apparently kids learn empathy from their fathers. He said due to the lack of single parent households (living just with mum) is having a huge impact. sociopathy has doubled in the last 15 years.

    I havent done any further research so im taking him at his word.. just thought it was interesting…

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  47. backster (2,135 comments) says:

    “WHERE IS NOAH WHEN CHRISTCHURCH NEEDS HIM???”

    The Council should therefore build a 20cm high dyke representing the flood level increase over the first decade then add 20cm each succeeding decade as the sea rises to inundate it. In that way the communities remain safe and expense to each generation of ratepayers is restrained….No need for an Arc at all.

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  48. dime (9,783 comments) says:

    “Pete George opens the General Debate thread today at 8.04am with a post on “universal basic income” that links to his own blog. He does not disclose this link will take you to his blog.”

    Its a pain in the ass.

    He could at least bullet point what the post is about. I dont want to go to his shitty blog.

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  49. ciaron (1,412 comments) says:

    Flipper @10.44, where did you get that quote? The firms name is Tonkin & Taylor, a very respected international consultancy:
    http://www.tonkin.co.nz/

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  50. Harriet (4,723 comments) says:

    Martyn Bradbury took my comment down at the Daily Blog. What a hopeless fuck.

    They don’t care who gets murdered or why. Full stop.

    All they care about is votes to be made from being nice to crimminals. Offer the punters another ‘soft option’ for the ‘soft vote’ is all that matters too them. That’s all the Martyn Bradbury is willing to discuss.

    Well that is not Justice. That has nothing at all to do with Justice. Or deterance. Or penalty. Or rehabilitation.

    That’s just fucken politics – and someone will lose their life over it. No I’m wrong. Lot’s of people will. More will be raped.

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  51. peterwn (3,232 comments) says:

    Judith – at 8.15am. At best, I do not think you appreciate the implications of the defamation case Karem v Parker (and the other guy). At worst I cast you in a Madame Defarge role, except she would not have worn her best clothes as they would be splattered in blood. If Parker had punched Karem in the hooter (Bob Jones / Rod Vaughan style), the worst consequence would probably have been a $1000 fine. Parker faces bankruptcy and will have his human right of freedom of expression curtailed for life – he probably would not be permitted to make any comment on the outcome of the case. And when the three years of bankruptcy is up, Karem’s lawyers will probably try and seek an extension. This is serious stuff and the consequences are really all out of proportion to the ‘publishing’ of a few misplaced words. The judgment is taking a long time to come out – I would say that the judge is deeply troubled by this case.

    Are you really so viscous and vindictive as to wish this sort of fate on anyone?

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  52. dog_eat_dog (772 comments) says:

    Pete,

    I have no problem with keeping free healthcare. But as per education – if someone made wise choices before they reached university, it could effectively be free as well under a UBI if people made the right choices. Again, weigh the complexity, administration and nominal costs of student loans and student allowance payments against a fixed amount year-on-year with no on-going liability on the balance sheet – I know what I’d rather have.

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  53. flipper (3,905 comments) says:

    ciaron (1,054 comments) says:

    January 9th, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Flipper @10.44, where did you get that quote? The firms name is Tonkin & Taylor, a very respected international consultancy:
    http://www
    ***
    Newstalk ZB.

    Respected, in some respects, they may be.
    But after the Kapiti Coast debacle I would not regard anything on future sea rises to be anything other than speculation. And look where that got the Kapiti DC.

    Tonkin and Taylor can express a view. But woe and grief will face any Council that gives their view more than a passing nod.

    This report should be taken with all the salt in the sea water T & T claims will increase.

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  54. Judith (8,526 comments) says:

    @ peterwn (2,668 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    What about the stress he caused Mr Karam and his family, not to mention others that were hurt by the carry-on of the group Parker led, which can be summed up as nothing more than witch sniffers. I have copies of their facebook page. The conversations that went on there are nothing but disgusting. Plans to infiltrate and disrupt the private work place of Bain supporters, their families, including their children and so on.

    I’m sorry, but Mr Parker deserves everything he will get. He was warned and warned and warned, but he carried on, and even now, despite promising the Judge that he will close down his site, he has not only reopened it, but has also allowed defamatory remarks to remain, (of which I have copies of at least 11).

    Mr Parker is an idiot (at best), what he said personally and what he allowed to remain in the public eye was disgusting. I hope they make him very responsible for his actions.

    As adults, we are all responsible for our actions and he knew that when he started doing what he did. He also knew that when he lied to the court.

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  55. Viking2 (11,332 comments) says:

    Pete George (20,431 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 8:04 am

    Some interesting ideas on a Universal Basic Income.

    We at least should be looking at simplifying our overly complex tax and welfare systems.

    And there’s some very interesting discussion on it here: http://thestandard.org.nz/ubi/
    =======================
    Jesus Pete, where have you been these last 15 years?
    ACT have been endeavoring to convince you dumb arses that this is exactly what has been needed for all of this time and more.

    Slow learners I guess.
    Blame our school system, apparently one of the best around.
    Huh.

    Begs the question, has the Standard finally cottoned on?

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  56. ciaron (1,412 comments) says:

    Flipper, I was simply referring to the “journalist’s” error…
    But is is important to note that all such reports should be read as advice on the risk that the client is exposing themselves to.

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  57. edhunter (533 comments) says:

    AC/DC the best hard rock band ever to have their lead singer die, replace him & then release the 3rd highest selling album of all time. There fixed it.
    And PEB the Stones, Springsteen & U2 hardly count as hard rock, well not in my book anyway.
    Now if you’d said the Foo Fighters or Muse then you’d have mentione a couple of Hard Rocking Stadium fillers.
    UP The Irons!!

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  58. flipper (3,905 comments) says:

    Peterwn…

    Just when I thought you were being sensible in 2014.
    You make light of a scandalous libel, and show no empathy for either Karam or, inferentially, Bain.

    Parker et al had AMPLE ADVICE AND OPPORTUNITY to withdraw and apologise.
    Their decision to tough it out was theirs alone.
    Irrespective of the consequences, their attitudes will result in them suffering the consequences – whatever they may be.
    And inevitably, they will warn others of what may occur in like circumstances.

    At least, Peterwn, you haven’t gone after D Bain in your comment like several brainless pukes have over Bain’s planned wedding.

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  59. Nostalgia-NZ (5,079 comments) says:

    ‘This is serious stuff and the consequences are really all out of proportion to the ‘publishing’ of a few misplaced words. The judgment is taking a long time to come out – I would say that the judge is deeply troubled by this case.’

    ‘few misplaced words,’ how about a 3 year incessant campaign running into thousand of words. The Judge no doubt is deeply troubled because it’s the worst case in NZ history, Parker admitted lying in Court, gave an undertaking to the Court which he broke, made an apology then went back on it – ‘misplaced brain and a motor mouth more like.’ But anyway we’ll see, much more to develop on this and the dna/forensic tests if the past provides any indication.

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  60. stephieboy (2,616 comments) says:

    The fact that karam has stated that one of his central aims is to bankrupt Kent Parker is enough for the Judge to throw out the claim IMO. It would be unconscionable to do otherwise as its not the courts role to reward vindictiveness and vengefulness as I see it.!
    Politicians and other public figures have had much, much worse things said about them in the court of public opinion including KB.
    We need US style Defamation laws that emphasize the constitutional protection of free speech which makes it very difficult for plaintiffs to successfully bring actions.

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  61. Pete George (23,415 comments) says:

    ACT have been endeavoring to convince you dumb arses that this is exactly what has been needed for all of this time and more.

    Slow learners I guess.

    Slow progress I guess, it doesn’t seem to have gotten anywhere. I was aware Act had ideas on universal incomes. It’s actually been talked about for hundreds of years.

    It’s interesting that benefits can be seen on both the left and right of politics. It would be a challenge getting them working together to find common ground on the details though.

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  62. flipper (3,905 comments) says:

    ciaron (1,055 comments) says:

    January 9th, 2014 at 11:35
    ****
    Noted

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  63. lilman (948 comments) says:

    Bain lied,shouldnt he be held accountable for lying to the court?

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  64. Nostalgia-NZ (5,079 comments) says:

    Stop being an idiot stephieboy. Karam warned Parker to cease and desist, Parker ignored that, mocked him and in fact ‘ramped it up’ giving lectures on his version of what defamation is, claiming he would turn his trial into a Bain retrial, invited others to support his defence saying they could view as an ‘investment.’ Even his tearful apology in the High Court was lies – he had the opportunity to settle and if he is bankrupted it is his own choice by disregarding the letter he got in 2009. For your version of what laws we need, look no further that TM, Fairfax and others settling to show that the present law works. Parker right at this moment may be in ‘contempt of Court,’ the result of his continued idiocy.

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  65. Nostalgia-NZ (5,079 comments) says:

    ‘Bain lied,shouldnt he be held accountable for lying to the court?’

    If you have proof Bain lied go to the police, if not take advice from Kent Parker’s school of idiots on how to get sued – oh, I see you already have.

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  66. flipper (3,905 comments) says:

    lilman (604 comments) says:

    January 9th, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    Bain lied,shouldnt he be held accountable for lying to the court
    ***&**

    J H C on a bike…
    Not another one

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  67. stephieboy (2,616 comments) says:

    Bain lied.?? It might help to explain why his compo claim is in limbo , is as elusive as ever and where the accountability may truly reside.

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  68. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Do as I say…:

    According to the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration’s environmental assessment of the launch and re-entry of Virgin Galactic’s spacecraft, one launch-land cycle emits about 30 tons of carbon dioxide, or about five tons per passenger. That is about five times the carbon footprint of a flight from Singapore to London.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2014/01/08/environmentalists-in-spaaaaace-branson-dicaprio-set-to-blast-off/

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  69. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Police defend action over drunk boy

    Police criticised 18-year-old Bradley Goudie for posting a video of a drunk child to YouTube claiming it re-victimised the boy. Goudie argues his intention was to highlight serious issues facing society

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9590389/Police-defend-action-over-drunk-boy

    After Roast Busters I think it better to use online media to ensure police act promptly and not
    trivialise and demean procedures as Roast Busters proved they do.

    Probably also stop another Bain type episode where police have time to manipulate evidence to their case.

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  70. edhunter (533 comments) says:

    And just to prove NZ is not only country suffering from PC apologists, T-Shirts manufactured for Australia Day have been pulled from the shelves after being labelled racist. What was the hideous message printed on these ‘offensive’ T-shirts I hear you ask… Australia Est 1788. I kid you not.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/aldi–1788-tshirt-approved-20140108-30g81.html

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  71. Bruce Forbes (5 comments) says:

    The following from Anthony Watts at http://www.wattsupwiththat.com provides insight as to why “Climategate” was an important turning point for the CAGW movement:

    “As readers know, in a nutshell, Climategate was about the stonewalling of FOIA requests so that independent researchers (such as McIntyre) could not replicate the scientific work. That access for data to allow scientific replication was unreasonably blocked, and someone who was in a position to see what was going on behind the scenes decided that they would do something about it. Virtually every person involved in Climategate emails had some connection to government, either being directly employed by a government agency, or a government funded university.

    On 17 November 2009 a large number of emails, together with other documents and pieces of code, from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia were posted on a Russian web server, and announced anonymously at the Air Vent blog, Climate Audit, Real Climate, The Blackboard, and WUWT with the comment:

    We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to be kept under wraps. We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents.
    Hopefully it will give some insight into the science and the people behind it.

    Of note, was the immediate deletion of the comment at Real Climate, and then a campaign by Dr. Gavin Schmidt of NASA GISS to convince Lucia at the Blackboard that the release wasn’t to be trusted.

    In that release from the “FOIA” leaker, we saw revelations like “Mike’s Nature Trick“. Here is a list of some of the emails and their content.From this Google document page: http://sites.google.com/site/globalwarmingquestions/climategate

    ===========================================================

    Massaging the presentation of data:

    942777075.txt the infamous “trick” to “hide the decline” in tree-ring data
    939154709.txt “They go from 1402 to 1995, although we usually stop the series in 1960″ (also referring to tree-ring data)
    1225026120.txt “I’ll maybe cut the last few points off the filtered curve before I give the talk again as that’s trending down” (referring to recent temperature data).
    1254108338.txt “So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say, 0.15 degC, then this would be significant for the global mean” … “It would be good to remove at least part of the 1940s blip”. This relates to the rapid warming before 1940 followed by cooling after 1940, which the ‘scientists’ would like to remove because it does not fit with their theory.

    Attempting to get papers with a sceptical view on global warming rejected from journals, and not referred to in the IPCC reports:

    1089318616.txt “I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !”
    1054756929.txt Ed Cook discusses with Keith Briffa how to get a paper rejected even though the mathematics is correct
    1054748574.txt where Briffa says “I am really sorry but I have to nag about that review – Confidentially I now need a hard and if required extensive case for rejecting”
    1080742144.txt where Jones “went to town” rejecting two papers that had criticised his work.

    Refusing to provide data and supporting information when requested, and deleting emails (all quotes from Phil Jones):

    1107454306.txt “The two MMs have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I’ll delete the file rather than send to anyone”.
    1109021312.txt “I’m getting hassled by a couple of people to release the CRU station temperature data. Don’t any of you three tell anybody that the UK has a Freedom of Information Act !”
    1182255717.txt “Think I’ve managed to persuade UEA to ignore all further FOIA requests if the people have anything to do with Climate Audit.”
    1211924186.txt Tim Osborn informs Caspar Amman that an FOI request has been received from David Holland about papers included in the IPCC report (May 27 2008) ….
    1212009215.txt Jones suggests what “Keith could say” and “Keith should say” (May 28 2008) …
    1212073451.txt “Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? … We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.” (May 29 2008). [Under paragraph 77 of the FOI Act it is an offence to delete information subject to an FOI request].
    1228330629.txt “When the FOI requests began here, the FOI person said we had to abide by the requests. It took a couple of half hour sessions – one at a screen, to convince them otherwise” … “About 2 months ago I deleted loads of emails, so have very little – if anything at all.” “

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  72. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Manolo (11,927 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Do as I say…:

    According to the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration’s environmental assessment of the launch and re-entry of Virgin Galactic’s spacecraft, one launch-land cycle emits about 30 tons of carbon dioxide, or about five tons per passenger. That is about five times the carbon footprint of a flight from Singapore to London.

    So apparently you can’t say something about the possible dangers of climate change if any aspect of your life involves carbon emissions. So no car, no food transported by carbon emitting machines etc.

    Perhaps what people like Branson are actually saying is that we need to find realistic and practical alternatives so that we can continue to do the things we want like driving cars, flying planes and going to space.

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  73. muggins (3,340 comments) says:

    I see David Bain is back in the news. Looks like the wedding is going to go ahead after all.
    I wonder if the bride to be knows what a liar Bain is.
    We all know he told his lawyer he would be admitting to wearing the glasses the were found in his room, the ones with the damaged frame and no lenses in them, with one lens showing in a photo of Stephen’s room taken while his body was still in the room on the Monday. But instead of admitting under oath that he was wearing those glasses he lied to the court.
    He said he didn’t know how those glasses came to be in his room. He lied.
    He said he hadn’t used them or seen them that weekend or for a year previous. He lied.
    He said he didn’t know where those glasses were kept. He lied.
    He said he had forgotten about those glasses. He lied.
    He said he hadn’t needed them . He lied.
    He said those glasses weren’t in his room on the Sunday night. Almost certainly a lie. He had been wearing them that weekend so why wouldn’t they be in his room?
    He said he couldn’t account for their presence in his room on the Monday morning. Another lie.
    And that’s just the lies we have proof of.
    What about the blood on the rifle under his fingerprints? He told Binnie his best notion was that it was animal blood from the summer, yet all the blood samples taken from the rifle proved to be human blood.
    The list of lies goes on and on.

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  74. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Would like to see the goose Cooper and his bureaucrat mates whacked around the ears for interfering in the miniature railway at Paraparaumu. This has been running for years with no incidents, yet these greasy PSA-indoctrinated germs (Worksafe) made them shut down over Christmas, a time when they can make a good dollar . . . is this more left-wing unionised envy!

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  75. Rowan (2,065 comments) says:

    Kent Parker is a total f…wit and deserves everything he gets from the judge, he has dug his own grave and admitted lying to the court, not a good move to put his website back up but I’m sure we won’t have to worry about him for to much longer as soon as the decision is released. His loyal cult following will abandon him like rats from a sinking ship and presumably find another target for their hate presumably Lundy as I see his case following exactly the same path.

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  76. Rowan (2,065 comments) says:

    Yes its very easy to see where long list of lies comes from, straight from the big mouth of Aunt Fanny!

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  77. flipper (3,905 comments) says:

    Something, self named as “Muggins” says:

    *** ” weekend so why wouldn’t they be in his room?
    He said he couldn’t account for their presence in his room on the Monday morning. Another lie.
    And that’s just the lies we have proof of…..”
    ….
    Don’t waste your time here.
    Take out a full page newspaper ad.
    or
    Go to the Police with your “evidence:.

    But Muggins, as you well know, the newspaper publishers will tell you to fuck off.
    AND
    The Police would not, even if they believed you which is already clear they do not, dare to try a third strike against Mr Bain lest they face charges of malfeasance.

    Fick off you pathetic impersonation of a germ.

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  78. stephieboy (2,616 comments) says:

    Rowan if they are a long list lies then tell as why.?
    e.g the blood on the rifle under his fingerprints was not human blood.???
    Flpper.
    David couldn’t account for the broken glasses in his room.??
    A third strike against David.?
    Am sure the police are in full cognizance of the double jeopardy rule.
    Are you.??

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  79. Rowan (2,065 comments) says:

    Do you need to start Stephie!!!

    Where is the proof that it was human blood or even blood at all? oh thats right it came from Kim Jones who examined the rifle with a polilight and the blood ‘flouresced’ back when the light was applied over it. Except we both know and it was admitted by Jones at the retrial that blood does not ‘flouresce’ at all and that only the background would flouresce and that the blood would show up as dark. Dear old Kimmy was just trying to ‘help’ the 1995 jury by telling the jury the opposite of the truth so they would ‘understand it better’, in the retrial his explanations were shown up for what they were and he had no explanation as to why the fingerprints ridges in the photograph were the wrong colour if they were in fact ‘bloody’ and his explanation that the fingerprint definition would become better defined with pressure applied is just pathetic.
    As there was no blood found under the prints and no evidence to support the existence of blood around the fingerprints this is very strong evidence that the fingerprints are not made in any blood at all.
    But I guess you witchsniffers clearly know better and ‘clearly’ Jones is right isn’t he!!

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  80. flipper (3,905 comments) says:

    stephieboy (284 comments) says:

    January 9th, 2014 at 3:15 pm
    *****

    Oh ho…so another germ now wishes to rely upon the law. What a laugh.

    So the Police “know” Mr Bain lied , and that he also lied to Hon Justice David Binnie.
    But they nevertheless chose NOT to accept Binnie’s invitation to respond to the Bain interview (with Binnie). That was their opportunity you simpleton. But they chose not to take it because all they had was the bullshit you regurgitate.

    By the way….. if you are surprised at my description of you as a germ, you might wish enquire as to where the term, is most frequently used in relation to fools like you. :-)

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  81. Rowan (2,065 comments) says:

    Good call Flipper
    These simpletons clearly know so much more than the 5 law lords, 12 jurors and the Hon Justice Binnie, didn’t you know its just so ‘obvious’, ‘mountain of evidence’ ‘fundamentally flawed’ etc etc.
    They are a joke!

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  82. flipper (3,905 comments) says:

    Yep Rowan..
    They are just a bunch of germ generating toe rags….

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  83. Fletch (6,225 comments) says:

    This is an interesting find. Someone has scans of Time magazine – one page from an issue in1974, and the other the latest issue from 2014. Both past and present articles make mention of a polar vortex (then and now) that’s bringing all the icy weather to America. The difference? In 1974 they blamed it on global cooling, and now they’re trying to blame it on global warming.

    In 1974, Time Magazine blamed the cold polar vortex on global cooling.

    ‘Scientists have found other indications of global cooling. For one thing there has been a noticeable expansion of the great belt of dry, high-altitude polar winds —the so-called circumpolar vortex—that sweep from west to east around the top and bottom of the world.’

    Another Ice Age? – TIME

    Forty years later, Time Magazine blames the cold polar vortex on global warming

    ‘But not only does the cold spell not disprove climate change, it may well be that global warming could be making the occasional bout of extreme cold weather in the U.S. even more likely. Right now much of the U.S. is in the grip of a polar vortex, which is pretty much what it sounds like: a whirlwind of extremely cold, extremely dense air that forms near the poles.’

    Polar Vortex: Climate Change Could Be the Cause of Record Cold Weather | TIME.com

    See link for actual page scans –

    http://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2014/01/07/time-magazine-swings-both-ways/

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  84. stephieboy (2,616 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,387 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    Proof of blood. ? Did not the Defence go to great lengths to prove it was animal blood consistent with Bain claiming it was from rabbit hunting expedition some six months priors to the murders ?. This was in spite of the fact the sample used by Lloyd was some 15 years so it was near on impossible to to tell what it actually was.Besides how could prints from an alleged rabbit hunting six months prior, survive an energetic mass shooting.??
    Hentschell gave samples of the same blood to Dr Gropp who established they were human of a blood grouping consistent with Stephen’s( who shared the same blood group as Laniet and David .)
    But I can see why the Defence bet over backwards to try and discredit Kim Jone as its all rather damning isn’t it. ? And no manner of Lawyer’s hypebole or technolese can change that . The only crime Jone’s ever committed was to try and explain his analysis so the Jury and lay public could understand .There is no evidence of perjury however many of Bain’s supporters may wish to think.
    The retrial judge did not think so so.
    BTW I take it Binnie covered the matter in some depth and came to your conclusion.?
    Correct.?
    But hey ,let sleeping dogs lie . Let the wedding proceed and the Compo claim remain unresolved and elusive as ever.
    Simopleton’s
    Sorry Rowan but the five law lords did not make a determination of guilt or otherwise.
    They left that to the Jury I thought.?
    Just a reminder, Binnie’s finding were not accepted by the Government or haven’t you heard.??

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  85. stephieboy (2,616 comments) says:

    Flipper is abuse all you, Rowan and Judith can come up with.??

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  86. Fletch (6,225 comments) says:

    Hehe – One News has just done a post on Facebook regarding smart phones –

    Do you remember when smartphones first appeared? Check out this old report about one of the first devices from 2002: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/back-in-day-birth-smartphones-video-5794996

    Did you ever think they would come to dominate people’s lives as they have?

    To which some wag has commented –

    2002 …when Alison Mau was still with Simon Dallow ..and wasn’t a lesbian lol

    Major BURN! :-P

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  87. flipper (3,905 comments) says:

    Well stephieweevie little child….

    If there was any point in having a serious discussion with you, that would be my preference.

    But in the face of your (and others) continued lies, nay serial lies, distortions and more, there is little purpose in doing anything more than to describing you for what you are – a toe rag germ.

    Go Away!

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  88. peterwn (3,232 comments) says:

    Re various comments on Bain case and a certain defamation case – The person who has suffered the most defamation is Robin Bain. Fortunately for the perpetrators, deceased people cannot sue for defamation or he would have collected big. Robin’s family have had to and still do suffer the consequences of that defamation.

    Perhaps Judith and co would like to consider the current defamation case in that light.

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  89. Judith (8,526 comments) says:

    @ peterwn (2,670 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 4:45 pm

    Robin’s family? You mean the members of the family that NEVER visited the Bain house, made very little attempts to have contact with them before their deaths, saw the children only five or so times in their entire life, and who noticed that Robin Bain was upset by his marital situation, and look tired, and ‘drawn’ – that family? The ones that did absolutely NOTHING to help him with his situation, with his deteriorating house etc, despite noticing all the issues he had? The same family that gladly held out their hand and accepted the money from the estate, despite David not having explored all avenues open to him?

    Robin Bain is dead, he cannot be defamed, and even if you think he has been, you would first have to prove that the things said about him are no true – so far I’ve seen absolutely no evidence that can do that.

    So before you get out your violin and ‘plead’ for the poor dead Robin Bain, there is one hell of a lot you have to first explain away.

    His extended family can rot in hell – they weren’t there when he needed them, and its a bit bloody rich making out now that they care – all they care about in my opinion is making sure they don’t need to pass over any of their ‘ill gotten gains’.

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  90. cha (3,914 comments) says:

    Gallup tells a tale.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/166763/record-high-americans-identify-independents.aspx?ref=image

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  91. Judith (8,526 comments) says:

    @ stephieboy (287 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    Have you not heard? The government has not ‘turned down’ the compensation claim? They asked for a peer review, which broke all the rules of the peer review process and first that has to be sorted before anyone can ‘turn anything down’.

    It appears to me that you are about as good at making up your own information as Kent Parker is at defaming people.

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  92. flipper (3,905 comments) says:

    PeterWn …..

    Hon Justice Ian Binnie….

    The following extract from his report speaks for itself and gives the lie to your position:

    **
    ” 30. I am very conscious that Robin – unlike David – is not here to speak for himself. Yet I
    believe the physical evidence compels the conclusion that it is more probable than not that
    Margaret and three of the Bain children were killed by Robin Bain before he turned the gun on
    himself and committed suicide. ” ***

    Not conclusive, but a conclusion based on evidence assessed by an experienced and independent judicial officer of the highest standing.

    Or do you sit with the porno ex judge and the former Auckland tax lawyer???

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  93. Judith (8,526 comments) says:

    @ flipper (2,955 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Oh, the police have already black listed old ‘aunt fanny’. There has been a directive to all those involved with the case not to take part in any discussions with a certain ‘aunt fanny’ due to the manner in which ‘she’ was caught lying about what she had been told.

    but wait there is more … certain Pathologists involved in the case will no longer take their calls either, because … yep you guessed it … aunt fanny lied about what ‘she’ reckoned the pathologist had said….

    Do you see a pattern here?? KP lies to the court, aunt fanny lies to anyone that will listen …

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  94. Judith (8,526 comments) says:

    @ Rowan (1,387 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    Of course these ‘simpletons’ know more Rowan, after all their leader stated very clearly in court after he had been caught lying that he has read the ‘extracts’ of Karam’s books and that is apparently where and how the group gets their expertise – oh and of course from Aunt Fanny who is an expert in ? umm bullshit?

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  95. peterwn (3,232 comments) says:

    Judith @ 5.03pm – I strongly suspect that you have defamed the wider Bain family, and they could well have good reason to ask Kiwiblog to take down your comments if they chose.

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  96. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    I can guarantee it: David “Multiple Murderer” Bain is innocent. It’s all a conspiracy against a honest citizen of Aotearoa.

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  97. Judith (8,526 comments) says:

    @ peterwn (2,671 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 5:21 pm

    Oh really? All the things I stated in there are well documented in the case, including the visits, the noticing Robin’s condition etc. The fact they accepted the inheritance is also well documented, and the last comment I made very clear was my opinion.

    Now surely as you obviously think David Bain is guilty, you would have based that opinion on factual knowledge, and therefore would have already known that nothing I have said, other than my opinion at the end, has not already been said in Court – or are you as uninformed as most of the other Robin Bain Witch Sniffing Supporters, because by making your stupid statement, you appear to be?

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  98. Viking2 (11,332 comments) says:

    Dear Mum & Dad,

    It is with great regret and sorrow that I’m telling you that I’ve eloped with my new boyfriend. I’ve found real love and he is so nice.

    Especially with all his piercings, scars, tattoos and his stolen Harley.

    But it’s not only that, I’m pregnant, and Ahmed said that we will be very happy in his caravan in Epping Forest.

    He wants to have many more children with me and that’s one of my dreams too.

    I’ve learned that marijuana does not hurt anyone and we’ll be growing it for us and Ahmed’s friends.

    They’re the ones providing us with all the cocaine and ecstasy we could ever want.

    In the meantime we’ll pray for science to find a cure for AIDS, so Ahmed can get better. He deserves it.

    Don’t worry about money. Ahmed has arranged for me to be in films that his friends Leroy and Jamal make in their basement.

    Apparently I can earn £200 per scene. I get a £200 bonus if there are more than three men in the scene and an extra £100 for the alsatian.

    Don’t worry Mum. Now I’m 14 I know how to take care of myself. Someday we’ll visit you and Dad so that you can meet your grandchildren.

    Dad, found the cash you were hiding from mum, but don’t worry we left you a few quid.

    Your loving daughter,

    Angelina.

    P.S. Dad. For God’s sake calm down. It’s not true. I’m actually watching TV at the neighbours. I just wanted to show you that there really are worse things in life than England loosing the bloody Ashes.

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  99. Nostalgia-NZ (5,079 comments) says:

    Dear oddly demented.

    Fisher in his conclusions stated that even using his ‘system’ Binnie may well still have found in David’s favour. As an observation in Law that is not a negative against Bain or the conclusion by Binnie of David’s innocence. Take some time to think about that.

    Walsh, a scientist, couldn’t exclude the marks on Robin’s thumb as not having been caused by his handling of the magazine, so that is also not a negative and not at odds with the various experts that said they were the result of Robin having handled the magazine.

    What there is no contest at all about, although the sisters lied about this for years, is that there were no marks on David Bain’s chest when he was strip searched illegally, but with his implied consent. No photos exist of any injuries to his chest and no police officer, Doctor or Surgeon would not have recorded them both in written form and by photo. They are not mentioned in the prescribed form filled out by the Police Doctor which remains an exhibit. However photos do exist showing cuts and bruises to Robin hands, blood spatter and most importantly smears on his palms. Robin Bain died with an imprint on his thumb and other marks on his hands consistent with him having handled the magazine, he had injuries to his hands, including smears of having handled something bloody before his death, his blood was on the laundry towel and there was evidence he’d had a nose bleed. Calling David a liar as anonymous jerks doesn’t clean up Robin’s hands, remove the injuries, marks and blood from his hands or off the towel in the laundry, doesn’t put underpants on his deceased body – trying working on that. It’s called an idiot test.

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  100. Reid (16,170 comments) says:

    So Danone is suing Fonterra for $320m. Ouch. Guess the lawyers win again.

    It’d be interesting to know what the Chinese market is doing now. Even though we know this was an overreaction that originated from no real problem, a Chinese guy remarked to me the mindset of the Chinese is they would take that outcome as a sign that Fonterra bribed our govt inspectors to say that, because that’s what they would do in their country, in cases like this.

    It’s an interesting marketing challenge isn’t it, to come up against a mindset like that and convince them we’re not like them. It’s also a bellweather for NZ Inc, to have most of our eggs mostly pointing toward a country where corruption, bribery and ruthlessness is simply a way of getting things done and it happens all over the place. Complete foreign territory.

    I’d hope that Trade & Enterprise is developing strategies for dealing with it. Who thinks that’s happening, right now?

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  101. Rowan (2,065 comments) says:

    Stephie

    You have got to be joking!!!

    Kim Jones’s evidence damning and the defence trying to prove it was animal blood – yeah right thanks for the laugh!
    Jones didn’t need discrediting he did that all by himself to the point he discredited the entire crown argument relating to fingerprints to the point it is laughable.
    Sorry Stephie you are going to have to do better than this, and the defence didnot try to argue that it was dated animal blood, this had been done in the past based on Jones previous claim in the ESR tests some 10 years before the retrial when the truth wasn’t known about the prints. As per Lloyds evidence the prints are latent fingerprints, not in any sort of blood, human or animal and the age is indeterminite.

    But cling Jones evidence as the only support for have to back up your ‘strongest’ evidence.

    You are a joke!!!

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  102. Viking2 (11,332 comments) says:

    One hot summer day, Boonga came to town with his dog, tied it under
    the shade of a tree, and headed into the pub for a cold one..

    Twenty minutes later, a cop entered the bar and asked, “Who owns the dog
    tied under that tree outside?”

    Boonga called out, ” It’s mine, mate.”

    “Your dog seems to be in heat”, the cop said.

    Boonga replied, “No way. She’s cool as, ’cause she’s tied up under that shade
    tree.”

    The cop said, “No! You don’t understand. Your dog needs to be bred.”

    “No way,” said Boonga. “That dog don’t need no bread. She ain’t hungry ’cause I
    fed ‘er this mornin’.”

    The exasperated cop said, “NO! You don’t understand; your dog wants to have
    sex!”

    Boonga looked at the cop and said, “Well, go ahead. I always wanted a police
    dog…”

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  103. pcplod (26 comments) says:

    Very naughty Viking2. I totally had to give your joke the thumbs up :) loved it

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  104. Rowan (2,065 comments) says:

    Stephie

    “The only crime Jone’s ever committed was to try and explain his analysis so the Jury and lay public could understand”

    Comprehension 101 for the demented serial liars

    At the retrial the prosecution expressly invited the jury to disregard Mr Hentschel on this point and accept the testimony of Mr Jones,164 but the credibility of Mr Jones presented a number of other difficulties for the prosecution including:
    a) At the 1995 trial Mr Jones had explained to the jury that when blood was illuminated under a polilight it “luminesced”. In 2009 he admitted that this was wrong. Blood does not “luminesce” under a polilight; blood absorbs light and shows up as dark. It is the background that luminesces. When this was pointed out by defence expert Mr Carl Lloyd, Mr Jones said his misstatement to the 1995 jury had been deliberate. He said he intended to convey the picture “in layman terms to the jury so that they would understand”. He could not explain why he thought “luminesced” was an easier concept for the jury to grasp than “dark”. An alternative explanation is that at the time Mr Jones was not very expert with polilight technology.

    Kim Jones “laymans terms” is patently false, he admitted that blood does not flouresce so to tell the 1995 jury that it did was totally untrue. If one says something to another that they know is untrue, this is called a “lie”, to tell a lie when you are under oath at a murder trial is called “perjury”, hence Kim Jones’s lied under oath to the jury,

    To Stephieboy and all the other dimwitted supporters of Robin Bain, what is this called ????

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  105. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    No bridgegate here?

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  106. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    edhunter (323 comments) says:

    January 9th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Wasnt calling Stones et al hard rock, stating that ACDC and my list are maybe the only outfits that can fill a stadium these days

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  107. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    PEB- A lot of the old metal bands fill stadiums Iron Maiden, Judas Priest etc
    Def Leppard too….

    LK

    Stadiums not arenas 50,000 not 15000

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  108. cha (3,914 comments) says:

    No bridgegate here?

    Well the anchor baby over at Twitchy hasn’t featured the story and it isn’t headlining on Breitbart.

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  109. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    For comrades Tom & Che cha: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/08/emails-reportedly-suggest-christie-office-involved-in-controversial-lane/

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  110. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    warmists, bainists, stalinists

    What do they have in common?

    Disagree in the slightest and they go completely feral

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  111. cha (3,914 comments) says:

    Nah, nothing to see here – meanwhile he’s denying all knowledge and his main man has lawyered up.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/christie-statement-bridge

    http://www.northjersey.com/news/Former_Port_Authority_exec_files_lawsuit_to_quash_subpoena_in_GWB_probe.html

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  112. Viking2 (11,332 comments) says:

    Women’s Seminar……………………
    A group of women were at a seminar on how to live in a loving relationship with your husband.

    The women were asked, “How many of you love your husband?”

    All the women raised their hands.

    Then they were asked, “When was the last time you told your husband you loved him?”

    Some women answered today, a few yesterday, and some couldn’t remember.

    The women were then told to take out their cell phones and text their husband: “I love you, sweetheart.”

    The women were then told to exchange phones with another person, and to read aloud the text message that they received, in response…

    Here are some of the replies:

    1. Who the hell is this?

    2. He, mother of my children, are you sick or what?

    3. Yeh, and I love you too. What’s up with you??

    4. What now? Did you crash the car again?

    5. I don’t understand what you mean?

    6. What the f*ck did you do now?

    7. ?!?

    8. Don’t beat about the bush, just tell me how much you need?

    9. Am I dreaming?

    10. If you don’t tell me who this message is actually for, someone will die.

    11. I thought we agreed you wouldn’t drink during the day.

    12. Your mother is coming to stay with us, isn’t she??

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  113. Viking2 (11,332 comments) says:

    New sign posted in Auckland.

    http://screencast.com/t/0lZR68xP

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  114. Viking2 (11,332 comments) says:

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  115. nasska (11,047 comments) says:

    A man was sitting alone in his office one night when a genie
    popped up out of his ashtray.

    “And what will your third wish be?”

    The man looked at the genie and said, “Huh? How can I be
    getting a third wish when I haven’t had a first or second wish
    yet?”

    “You have had two wishes already,” the genie said, “but your
    second wish was for me to put everything back the way it was
    before you made your first wish. Thus, you remember nothing,
    because everything is the way it was before you made any
    wishes. You now have one wish left.”

    “Okay,” said the man, “I don’t believe this, but what the
    heck. I’ve always wanted to understand women. I’d love to
    know what’s going on inside their heads.”

    “Sheesh! I wish you’d make up your mind,” said the genie as
    it granted his wish and disappeared forever, “That was your
    first wish, too!”

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  116. Viking2 (11,332 comments) says:

    Explaining Women

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  117. nasska (11,047 comments) says:

    This gives a hint as to why they breed like rats. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8cyfi5vswi9ixlq/creationism-results.jpg

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  118. RF (1,363 comments) says:

    What’s wrong with our society. Reports of a guy mowing his lawn outside his house and gets attacked by a crazy idiot carrying a golf club. This finished up with lawn mowers car windscreen getting broken. Another youth minding his own business and walking down the road gets assaulted by another crazy. There is a common denominator as the offenders must have been out in the sun too long as they were described as having dark skin.

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  119. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    PEB- Iron Maiden played to over 300,000 fans at Rock in Rio…and they regularly fill stadiums worldwide (only a couple of months ago they played to 70,000 in Chile).
    Want to argue Kiss not filling Stadiums?

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  120. JeffW (324 comments) says:

    See on Yahoo NZ news that Labour are to meet with police “to ensure the adult who provided the drunk 9 year old with alcohol is prosecuted”. This is a significant change in Labour policies which should be noted. Normally, it is the government’s fault and can only be put right with more tax, or my fault because I earn more than the average income, while no adult below the average income should or indeed can be responsible for their actions.

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  121. cha (3,914 comments) says:

    or my fault because I earn more than the average income

    Aww diddums – sympathy sympathy.

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  122. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    LK

    Rock in Rio was a festival

    Iron maiden wouldn’t do 50, 000 here maybe in Australia.

    My point is very few bands can fill stadiums these days which is an idictment on the industry

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  123. cha (3,914 comments) says:

    This is going to be fun.

    Weinberg said she was particularly concerned by a line in the letter in which Sokolich writes,

    “Many members of the public have indicated to me that the Port Authority Police Officers are advising commuters in response to their complaints that this recent traffic debacle is the result of a decision that I, as Mayor, recently made.”

    [...]

    The Port Authority Police Benevolent Association rejected the notion that any of its members would allow themselves to be used, willingly or otherwise, in such a retaliatory scheme. PBA President Paul Nunziato, whose union was one of the first labor groups to endorse Christie last year, released a wry statement … If anyone believed there really was such a scheme, Nunziato said through a spokesman, “then I would suggest that we’re going to find Jimmy Hoffa’s body on the Leona Helmsley property in Fort Lee.”

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/11/letter_mayor_gwb_closures_port.html

    The smoking guns.

    http://gothamist.com/2014/01/08/top_christie_aide_emailed_time_for.php

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  124. TimG_Oz (925 comments) says:

    Seriously, did the Waikato Times print this anti-vaccination bollocks?
    Didn’t we only just get over the Waikato flouride debate?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/opinion/9588577/Drummond-Vaccination-is-a-lie

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  125. stephieboy (2,616 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,389 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 6:15 pm

    Rowie
    I can say with confidence that it was a serious line of contention by Bain and the defence at the retrial that the fingerprints in blood could of originated from an earlier Rabbit hunting expedition some months earlier in 1994.
    Show me both trial proceedings reports or transcripts where this was not the case.?
    The fingerprints in blood needed to be explained in some way hence the suggestion and possibility of resulting from an earlier rabbit hunting expedition. This was , of course, highly implausible as rabbits hemorrhage very little blood The next line was to suggest they were not in blood at all.
    But Carl Lloyd unlike Kim Jones did not have the advantage of examining them in pristine condition as on the 21st. June 1994, As Jones states in the link they looked red therefore looked liked blood Closer examination and analysis confirmed that incontrovertible fact.He replicated the same test using his own blood and the results yielded the same,.
    There is nothing to suggest that Jone’s was lying as the link below amply shows. And you terming it a lie does not make it so.If he was lying in the way you claim why was it not picked by by both the trail judge or bought to the attention of the Courts.?
    Again it would be something Binnie would of picked up and highlighted in his report.Slam dunk stuff. ? Yes.?
    If Binnie did not do this ,then why not.?

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/58414/crown-adamant-rifle-fingerprints-blood

    PS Try and not resort to resort to abuse in future please,!

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  126. Rowan (2,065 comments) says:

    Stephie
    Kim Jones said a lot of things and changed his evidence many times at the retrial to cover his own butt when what he said was shown to be catagorically incorrect. The crown would invite you to reject Hentschels evidence in favour of Jones, who also disagreed with Dr Cropp, the police photographer and Carl Lloyd, he did agree with Lloyd on the basic principal that ‘blood does not flouresce’, like he told the 1995 jury. His subsequent tests were at complete odds with the polilight manual, he even said that the fingerprint ridge definition becomes more well defined under pressure, which a 10 year old could probably understand that it doesn’t, his first explanation for the ridges being the wrong colour was ‘because the photo was a negative’ which the police photographer assured that it wasn’t, hence his ‘tests’, then to cover his butt he made the claim that he was alerted to blood because of ‘red pigment’ which was at complete odds with his earlier testimony that he could only see the blood under examination with the polilight.
    Why the fingerprints are not in blood was
    1. No blood was found in the fingerprint samples despite extensive testing
    2. The ridges are the wrong colour if the prints were ‘bloody’
    3. Blood pools hence bloody fingerprints are not well defined at all and Jones evidence said the fingerprints were very well defined, also discredits the stupid claim you guys like to make that the rifle was wiped down.
    4. Taking the truth of what Jones said at the 1995 retrial any blood would not have flouresced so what he was telling them was blood was not in fact blood at all.

    Yes Binnie did pick up that Jones was not a credible witness and that his ‘evidence’ and explanations for the prints are totally unsatisfactory. IMO he should have made a bigger deal of it but he is right when he says it is an ‘unspeakable mess’

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  127. Rowan (2,065 comments) says:

    Stephie
    Look at the following, exposes the idiotic myths for what they are
    The fingerprints despite all your spin proves that it was Davids gun and nothing more. Animal blood is an old theory and not covered in any great detail at the retrial, show me otherwise.

    http://counterspinthetruth.blogspot.co.nz/2010/10/saying-it-doesnt-make-it-so.html
    http://courtnews.co.nz/story.php?id=1957
    http://tvnz.co.nz/david-bain-news/defence-grills-bain-case-fingerprint-expert-2705098 plus the video
    A good summary on a previous thread
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/03/bain_says_parents_made_him_strong.html#comment-946095
    Yes I cannot prove Jones’s intentions but his evidence was misleading and IMO perjury, no this matter hasn’t been taken further but Bruce Hutton was never brought to the courts to explain his actions either, there was a 30+ year opportunity for yhis to have happened

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  128. edhunter (533 comments) says:

    PEB not sure what indictment you’re talking about? For years the reason Auckland was overlooked as a concert venue was because we didn’t have a reliable indoor arena. With stadium you run the risk of weather becoming a factor. Springsteen, Maiden & the Foo’s all spring to mind immediately as stadium concerts that were affected by the elements to some extent. And in saying that in the last 10yrs I’ve seen in no particular order Robbie Williams, Creed, RHCP, Rolling Stones, AC/DC, Foo Fighters, Iron Maiden, Pearl Jam all in stadium concerts in Auckland & those are just the stand alone concerts I went to & can remember. it doesn’t include any BDO’s or concerts/festivals I’ve attended both here & abroad.
    The Vector Arena has been a blessing for Auckland, the amount of concerts we’ve received since having the Vector is huge & not just because the bands couldn’t sell out a stadium.
    So just FYI and as an example here are Iron Maidens last 10 concerts from Sept 13 forward, the 2 figures are tickets sold & venue capacity.

    Verizon Wireless Amphitheater Maryland Heights 9,193 / 19,574 (47%)
    Austin360 Amphitheater Austin 10,897 / 13,237 (82%)
    Mandalay Bay Events Center Las Vegas 8,543 / 8,543 (100%)
    San Manuel Amphitheater Devore 27,276 / 41,802 (65%)
    Foro Sol Mexico City 49,332 / 50,000 (99%)
    Anhembi Arena São Paulo 31,706 / 31,706 (100%)
    Bio Parque Curitiba 12,079 / 20,000 (60%)
    Estadio River Plate Buenos Aires 50,680 / 53,000 (96%)
    Jockey Club Asunción 15,581 / 26,586 (59%)
    Estadio Nacional Santiago 57,217 / 59,525 (96%)

    Roughly averaging 27500 per concert, venue capacity 31000 90% capacity overall which well exceeds virtually all arena capacity.

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  129. SGA (981 comments) says:

    TimG_Oz at 9:48 pm

    Seriously, did the Waikato Times print this anti-vaccination bollocks?
    Didn’t we only just get over the Waikato flouride debate?
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/opinion/9588577/Drummond-Vaccination-is-a-lie

    TimG – the article is actually mocking anti-vaccination people. That’s how it reads to me anyhow.

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  130. goldnkiwi (1,244 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,394 comments) says:

    January 9th, 2014 at 11:16 pm

    Is the use of the ‘word’ flouresce instead of fluoresce an attempt to mislead lol what has flour got to do with it? ;)

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  131. ANTeater (3 comments) says:

    http://solidgoldbain.blogspot.co.nz/

    because sometimes words just aren’t enough ;)

    on a serious note, though, has it occured to anyone that either
    Bain may have told his now- Mrs Bain ALL there is to tell? like, as in, the whole truth?
    or that she may know it in any case? if she can see the real Bain for who he is, and love him anyway, then i take my hat off to her…if not, well.
    I mean, maybe the guy talks in his sleep?

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