Jones vs ALCP

January 26th, 2014 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Speaking at the celebration of prophet Wiremu Potiki ’s birthday, an event that marks that start of the political year, Fred Macdonald of the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party () argued that legalising cannabis would earn more revenue for the Crown and see fewer people imprisoned. Macdonald said the drug was used as a medicine in the time of Jesus Christ.

“Just get on with it, stop making our cannabis convicts political prisoners because that’s what’s going on. The war on drugs, it’s just a whole lot of bullies . . .,” Macdonald said.

Jones, who was in the audience for the speech, then launched a rebuttal when it was his turn to speak, saying drugs and alcohol were a major problem in Maori communities and a religious celebration on a marae was not a place to associate Jesus with cannabis, praise its potential or argue for decriminalisation.

“I wanted to send a message to all the visitors and to Ratana: do not allow your powhiri to be diminished by some half-stoned creature from Macdonald’s farm,” he said.

It was particularly “galling” that a Pakeha man could make such a speech on a marae when Maori women were not accorded that privilege, he said, adding “the vast majority of the Maori there were offended”.

Jones said he had been taken aside by Ratana followers and thanked for his actions.

But Church spokesman Andre Mason said he was disappointed in the actions of both men and defended Macdonald’s right to speak his mind, even if his views were not shared by everyone there.

“That was very inappropriate of Shane doing that. This is not a normal marae like every other marae , . . .This is a place of freedom of speech and he was right to share his thoughts, maybe it would’ve been a bit long but he shared he thoughts.”

I suspect it was the nature of the response, being a personal attack on Macdonald, that didn’t go down so well.

10 Responses to “Jones vs ALCP”

  1. ChardonnayGuy (1,605 comments) says:

    Which may well be true, but Jones did make some good points about gender parity when it came to speakers rights on some marae, and the ALCP can drone on a bit when they’re obsessed with the holy grail of legalising their precious weed. You’ve got to admit, the ALCP can be somewhat boring and single-issue in their zealotry, even given the fairness and justice of their stance. They need to develop some additional policies to be taken more seriously, otherwise they’ll remain a microparty. In any case, most of the pragmatic potheads have headed off to either the Greens or Libertarianz, dependent on their political orientation.

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  2. Manolo (22,056 comments) says:

    To call Wiremu Potiki Ratana “prophet” is a bit excessive. Deluded is more appropriate.

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  3. Twinkletoes (89 comments) says:

    Probably more like kat/kwat/quat that was used in those days . So why don’t we just grow that here legally and let them blow their minds chewing the leaves. At the moment they are trying to make it kwat illegal in UK because of the resulting “lightheadedness’ associated with its effects resulting in inappropriate actions by the users who are from a certain protected minority culture and are also represented in NZ.

    Something will always be found to substitute for legally banned substances, you can’t win against illegal drug profiteers.

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  4. ChardonnayGuy (1,605 comments) says:

    Anything, just as long as they don’t smoke it in front of me and keep it indoors. Added to which, P/crystal meth is several magnitudes greater as a hard drug threat compared to pot. I’m in favour of decriminalisation with strictly enforced age limits, especially in the context of palliative care utility.

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  5. Bob (466 comments) says:

    Nicotine is a legal drug tolerated even encouraged in society in the past now seen as a scourge. Look at the excesses in the use of alcohol. Do we have to tolerate another drug and end up regretting it? What effect will it have on drivers and people using precision tools requiring concentration?

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  6. iMP (2,665 comments) says:

    Let’s give Colorado a year and then have a look see. If its legal, then we have to accept as occasionally high while at work:

    teachers, pilots, train drivers, surgeons, politicians, All Blacks, judges…

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  7. gravedodger (1,704 comments) says:

    One certainty pervades this whole debate, Potheads are still smoking weed, Kids as young as primary age (year 5/6) are smoking and dealing, current models are so much more potent and Substitutes are causing serious damage although apparently helpful in evading testing.
    All in all prohibition, criminalisation and pontificating are really doing a great job, NOT.

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  8. kowtow (13,220 comments) says:

    With prohibition ,we have ,to quote gravedodger,primary age kids “smoking and dealing” ,so with legalisation ( which would have strict age limits,like with tobacco ) can we expect to see pre schoolers involved.

    Instead of legalising it, more of an effort needs to be made to de romanticise the damn thing.

    Ironic that at the moment tobacco is classed as so evil and to be eliminated there seems to be such a push to introduce weed.

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  9. RRM (12,580 comments) says:

    Wiremu Ratana.. my grandad said he remembered him.. notorious drunk, always causing trouble on the streets of Wanganui after a session drinking turps.

    People thought it completely unsurprising when he claimed to have seen lights in the sky, and went all religious.

    šŸ˜› Ti hei mauri ora! ™

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  10. ChardonnayGuy (1,605 comments) says:

    Actually, no we don’t have to accept drivers being stoned. We already have stoned driver tests on the road, and operating a motor vehicle under the influence of whatever recreational drug (alcohol, pot, legal highs) would probably still continue to be an offence, John. And recreational drug preference wouldn’t be seen as a human rights issue. If a teacher is obviously stoned and incompetent, then the same premises would apply as if they were drunk on the job. If performance based pay exists and alcohol and drug use affect competence and performance, then those should be the criteria.

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