Most women against Labour’s gender quotas

January 9th, 2014 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

’s target of selecting candidates to ensure women make up at least half of its caucus by 2017 has been given the thumbs down in the latest Herald-DigiPoll survey – and more than half of the women polled said it was too restrictive.

The survey asked respondents whether they believed Labour’s target of achieving 50 per cent by 2017 was a good idea, or too restrictive.

Overall, 54 per cent said it was too restrictive, while just 38 per cent believed it was a good idea. Among the women respondents, 52 per cent said it was too restrictive while 42 per cent believed it was a good idea.

And it’s more than a target, it is basically a quota.

A spokeswoman for Labour leader David Cunliffe said it was a matter for the party. 

Oh how brave. DC campaigned on it in the leadership primary.

Labour has so far selected only about eight candidates, all in electorates held by other parties. So far four are males and three are females – but in the three more marginal seats of Otaki, Napier and Te Tai Hauauru the candidates are all male – Robb McCann, Stuart Nash and Adrian Rurawhe respectively.

What the gender quota means is that if those three men look likely to win their seats, then three men on the party list must be demoted beneath female candidates to compensate.

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23 Responses to “Most women against Labour’s gender quotas”

  1. flash2846 (284 comments) says:

    Women have the choice to work or be a stay at home mother, they have a choice. Men generally don’t, they need the cooperation of a woman if they wish to be a stay at home Dad. This leaves three times as many men needing to work in any field including politics. There are more men in the pool so we should accept it is likely more men will be in parliament. Quota’s like this are discriminatory; it’s that simple

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  2. bringbackdemocracy (427 comments) says:

    It’s a pity they don’t have a “competence quota.”

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  3. Joanne (177 comments) says:

    I don’t care about gender balance, I just don’t want wallies or anyone with the ethics or integrity of Len Brown. I do want people with brains and logic, oh logic, the ability to do what they say.

    I don’t want David Clarkish people, who have no idea what they are talking about, just give wild statements about doing logistically impossible things.

    Gender balance is not an issue.

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  4. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    The New Zealand Emasculation Party.

    Awesome :-)

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  5. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    Based on the last polls, by Comar Brunton, Digipoll and Reid Research, Labour’s selection policy is more popular than Labour.

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  6. duggledog (1,555 comments) says:

    Focussing on this sort of balderdash and the fact that Labour and the Greens amount to the same thing, should be what National start campaigning on… quite soon guys!

    Labour are always looking for a Battle To Fight, and here they go too far. That’s part of the problem with their bedfellows, the unions and how they sometimes end up destroying the very jobs of the workers they set out to protect and help. Even when things are as good as it gets, they’ll try and find another hobby horse.

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  7. Tautaioleua (304 comments) says:

    This is embarrassing for Labour. They thought “most New Zealander’s” were against the sale of assets but earned the poorest referendum result in the history of referenda.

    They also thought Cunliffe would turn the polls around.

    They thought they were on to a winner with this quota for women, and even this has backfired.

    They’re clearly not fit to govern any time soon. Not by a long shot.

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  8. OneTrack (3,089 comments) says:

    Good to see that most (just) women agree that women are really just as able as men and dont need an artificial hand up. Not sure what that says about Labour though.

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  9. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    They thought “most New Zealander’s” were against the sale of assets…

    …and have been proved right by surveys and a referendum.

    They thought they were on to a winner with this quota for women…

    So, that would be why the leadership tried to kill it off, because they were expecting it to be such a popular, vote-winning move?

    What the gender quota means is that if those three men look likely to win their seats, then three men on the party list must be demoted beneath female candidates to compensate.

    There’s a gender quota? It means male candidates being demoted? I think you’re a citation short there.

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  10. Mobile Michael (451 comments) says:

    If capable women are being held back for being women, then that’s wrong. If capable men are being held back for not being women, then that is equally wrong.

    Run that test over your selection process, if you can honestly say you’re not doing wrong then you are on the right track to gender equality.

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  11. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Are Labour going to demand a quota of transsexual, lesbian, homosexual, paedophile, lechers, etc., to appease their line-up of weirdos.

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  12. duggledog (1,555 comments) says:

    Psycho I’d warrant ‘most NZers’ are against asset sales BUT realise it’s either that or higher taxes and (even) more borrowing, and cutting back the many state services we can’t afford as they are anyway.

    IGM – they don’t have to, it happens by osmosis! Just think of all those who have gone before…

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  13. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    duggle: I thought osmosis was a reaction that affected the fibreglass body of some Chev Corvettes. I would hate to see the Chev categorised with a leeching Labourite!

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  14. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    Graeme Edgeler said

    Based on the last polls, by Comar Brunton, Digipoll and Reid Research, Labour’s selection policy is more popular than Labour.

    Easily explained Graeme; the Green and Maori Party already have gender-inclusive rules, so those approving of Labour’s policy likely include Green and Maori Party supporters :D

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  15. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    But we’ve been told that those who are against “equality” are on the wrong side of history!

    That was in respect of the most ridiculous “equality” yet dreamed up by the “progressives” ,so called marriage equality.

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  16. flash2846 (284 comments) says:

    Mobile Michael (297 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 1:28 pm
    If capable women are being held back for being women, then that’s wrong. If capable men are being held back for not being women, then that is equally wrong.
    Run that test over your selection process, if you can honestly say you’re not doing wrong then you are on the right track to gender equality.

    Wow! I couldn’t agree with you more Michael nor could I have put it so succinctly. Gonna look out for your posts.
    Cheers

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  17. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Tautaioleua (192 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    This is embarrassing for Labour. They thought “most New Zealander’s” were against the sale of assets but earned the poorest referendum result in the history of referenda.

    They also thought Cunliffe would turn the polls around.

    They thought they were on to a winner with this quota for women, and even this has backfired.

    They’re clearly not fit to govern any time soon. Not by a long shot.
    ==========================

    Kinda proves the theory wrong if the party is like we suspect, RUN BY Women.
    :)

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  18. Sofia (856 comments) says:

    Oh how brave. DC campaigned on it in the leadership primary.

    Which leaves a few questions. Like –

    • It was never clear for the New Zealand public, if the various [and some times crazy] promises being made by potential leaders actually were policy promises or just ideas of directions the possible leader would try to move the party in.

    • If it was just a individual “think tank” exercise – who had the greater brain fart – what did that have to do with leadership?
    Should all three not have explained how they would sell the same issue, say euthanasia to the general electorate, so voters could have made a decision on some basis of actual common performance?

    • And considering these two points above, has Labour still actually settled its leadership question, and do the public any longer have a fucking clue as to what Labour now stands for, given its conference confirmed policies, and then all the random “leadership primary” krap?

    The recent Referendum result indicates there are enough people against asset sales, that when you take out Green and Labour votes, a great number of the electorate who are against sales, still voted National.
    This is why.

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  19. Sofia (856 comments) says:

    And
    Unfortunately with WHALEOIL and presumably KIWIBLOG not officially being media [and stuff.co may also be stuffed], and with most official media therefore being pro-Labour, will we ever see a poll that asks –

    Do you believe the Labour Party is currently run by women – still, largely, by Helen Clark, in New York?

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  20. Manolo (13,746 comments) says:

    Do you believe the Labour Party is currently run by women – still, largely, by Helen Clark, in New York?

    Is comrade Clark a woman? Are you sure?
    Even the delicate rainbow Lynn Prentice, The sub-Standard’s Torquemada, would be disappointed.

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  21. Sofia (856 comments) says:

    Manolo – You are right. of course – we can only assume the superficial use of toe word ‘woman’ so far.

    But what next after traditional gender balance? – an accommodation for gay representation, which will come back to your question Manolo, and where will Clark image be counted?

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  22. MH (751 comments) says:

    if the doors to Parliament are shut then there is always primary school teaching to fall back on.

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  23. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    MH: Primary school teaching, union exec, or local body representation, and if a real leech, Greater Wellington Regional Council, where real failed socialists snout the swill trough. one even sporting form.

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