Norman met Dotcom twice

January 24th, 2014 at 3:23 pm by David Farrar

The Diary reports:

visited Dotcom’s mansion twice late last year to talk him out of entering politics, the Green Party co-leader told The Diary. And he left a rather large carbon footprint flying to Auckland Airport and hailing a Green cab for the 44km journey to Coatesville for the meetings.

“I met with him twice, about policy issues and his proposed party. I’ve got a lot of time for Kim, but I don’t support the Internet Party.”

Norman says although he backs some of Dotcom’s views on the GCSB and the internet, he feels he’d be competing for votes. “I tried to talk him out of setting up his party.”

Maybe Russell should have just offered him a spot on the Green Party list instead? Oh wait, he can’t stand for Parliament. But how interesting that the are so worried by Dotcom’s party, that they flew Norman twice (paid for by taxpayers) to Auckland to meet with him and try and talk him out of it.

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39 Responses to “Norman met Dotcom twice”

  1. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    And another interesting political dance, with a lineup of partners:

    RadioLIVE Newsroom ‏@LIVENewsDesk

    David Tua confirms he’s met with The Conservative Party and Labour, which like Mana and The Maori Party are trying to woo him to their side

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  2. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Norman spent most of his parliamentary questions last year trying to run interference for Dotcom. Now I find that Norman visits Dotcom at home, whereas I doubt if he would ever visit an ordinary person like me at my home.

    How much money has Dotcom donated to the Greens?

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  3. Monty (977 comments) says:

    I think Crim dot con party could be good for 3%. Given both internet and green parties appeal to fools they are essentially chasing the same vote. Of course that will be a wasted 3% which will benefite to an extent National first and foremost but also mean greens would have 3-4 less MPs ( hopefully a whole lot more) . No wonder Norman is pissed.

    Win win for NZ and National. Excellent.

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  4. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    He didn’t get an helicopter ride to the mansion like John Banks ?

    tut tut………….

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  5. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    I’ve also blogged on this. I find it very revealing that far from being friends of democracy, the Greens do everything that they can to stifle democracy. They and Labour couldn’t accept the electorate’s decision in 2011, and now we find that Norman has made a deliberate attempt to talk Kim Dotcom out of entering politics because they would be competing for votes.

    The Greens (back in Rod Donald’s day) used to be the party of principle. Nowadays, they are the party of hippy-crisy.

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  6. kowtow (8,442 comments) says:

    An Australian far leftist has a clandestine meeting with a German criminal to influence politics in New Zealand…….

    I won’t hold my breath waiting for the gutless leftist Aotearoan media to make anything of it.

    Imagine their response if it had been Colin Craig meeting the sour kraut.

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  7. Tautaioleua (304 comments) says:

    LOL

    I love how some morons have written Dotcom and the Internet Party off but the leader of the biggest minor party in the country has flown twice to meet with him to talk him out of politics.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid. Deutschland Deutschland über alles is about to replace God save the Queen as the second anthem of NZ.

    :-)

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  8. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    I won’t hold my breath waiting for the gutless leftist Aotearoan media to make anything of it.

    It was reported in NZ Herald, otherwise we wouldn’t know about it.

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  9. lolitasbrother (686 comments) says:

    to remove any serious interest from voters,
    Dotcom hired Martyn Bradbury.
    nobody associates with Martyn Bradbury

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  10. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    …the Greens are so worried by Dotcom’s party, that they flew Norman twice (paid for by taxpayers) to Auckland to meet with him and try and talk him out of it.

    Proving that the Greens (and *ahem* myself (and a few others)) have a better understanding of the NZ political landscape that the highly paid “political consultant” helping himself to some of Dotcom’s bank account.

    The Internet Party was never going to knock off any significant chunk of young urban male National Party supporters, but the Greens have very good reason to worry as it could potentially appeal to their more upmarket, urban constituency who are somewhat uneasy at that party’s desire to ban and regulate. The IP’s roots in the “Pirate Party” ethos is the antithesis of that approach, and if it publishes a credible but sober environmental policy, and policies on a few other topics (student loans, for instance), it has the potential to eclipse the Greens.

    Maybe Russell should have just offered him a spot on the Green Party list instead?

    Or perhaps Dotcom should offer Russell a lucrative consultancy contract. He’s already proved he’s a cut above the incumbent.

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  11. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock says:

    I find it very revealing that far from being friends of democracy, the Greens do everything that they can to stifle democracy

    But I2, how is it any different to a major party fostering minor parties because it’s in their interest to have them survive? Isn’t National not standing a candidate in Epsom “stifling democracy” in that it denies their supporters in that electorate a chance to vote for a candidate representing “their” party?

    OTOH, it’s against the interests of the minor parties to have competition for their potential role as decision makers as to who gets to govern and/or what legislation gets passed, so acting in their own self-interest is equally understandable.

    In National’s case what was at stake was merely their ability to form government. With the Greens, it’s potentially their very survival as a party.

    That I (and possibly you) and others find both practices, and other gerrymandering, abhorrent isn’t the fault of National, or the Greens, but of MMP.

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  12. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Russel’s clear panicked that the Green’s ephemeral, trendy, down-with-the-kids vote is going to be split.

    Imagine what might happen if fascist students suddenly found a new place to display their global consciousness. It’d be like MySpace and Facebook all over again.

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  13. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    But the Greens go on and on about how they are above all that sort of carry-on Rex. Patently they’re not; they are as venal and conniving as any of the other trough-suppers, if not worse.

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  14. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    I would dearly love Norman to visit me, I would give him a reception to remember. He is a very dangerous person, he would stuff our fragile economy within weeks, not months.

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  15. MT_Tinman (3,184 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (9,490 comments) says:
    January 24th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    The Greens (back in Rod Donald’s day) used to be the party of principle. Nowadays, they are the party of hippy-crisy.

    Hogwash, Donald was as two faced as bloody Norman, happily using air travel and taxis with the best of them.

    Davidp, throw a party as far away from Wellington as possible, ensure it’s only accessible by air and road travel, invite Norman. He’ll be there, at your – and our – expense of course.

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  16. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    It will have been an interesting conversation…

    Norman: Herr, Dotcom. You cannot start a party as you will take our supporters.

    Dotcom: But you believe in tiny apartments and I live in a giant house. You believe everyone should travel via train while I enjoy racing my high powered car on your puny NZ roads at high speed. You say you’re opposed to air travel, which confuses me since this is the second time you’ve flown across the country to genuflect in my vast presence. While I fly around in a helicopter. You had Parliamentary Services pay your petiton signature-collecting minions, while I stiffed my contractors in Germany years ago and I’m stiffing my NZ contractors now. So what do we have in common?

    Norman: We both appeal to young confused people. This could be an end to the Green Party in NZ, and then who will be in parliament asking questions about your extradition?

    Dotcom: Herr Bradbury, Herr Thompson, and Herr Edgeler. They’ll all do as they’re told in exchange for a new MacBook.

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  17. Joanne (177 comments) says:

    Ohh that does not look good for Russell Norman. This we know Norman, Bradbury and Brash has advised him. Far right, far left and a bloody nutter for advisors…hmmmm

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  18. Changeiscoming (189 comments) says:

    I belive the Internet Party will be picking a lot of their votes up from the Greens. And by the sound of it the Greens know it too.

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  19. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Herr Edgeler

    This comment may have been made in jest but even so I don’t really think it is fair, nor similar comments made by others on the blogosphere. This includes Whaleoil himself when he appeared to think a conspiracy was afoot from Graeme refusing to comment on his work for the Internet Party (any moron knows that strict client confidentiality would prohibit this, meaning it was a ridiculous conclusion to come to and really with WO’s experience he should know better than to make such inferences).

    Graeme is a wonderfully informative commenter here and comments like the above are pretty retarded.

    Providing a legal opinion =/= being part of the Internet Party or Kim Dotcom’s inner circle.

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  20. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    nickb>Providing a legal opinion =/= being part of the Internet Party or Kim Dotcom’s inner circle.

    I like Graeme too. But he chooses his clients, and in this case he has chosen one that places him in the company of flashy fraudsters and the politically hopeless. I don’t see any reason we shouldn’t laugh at him for doing so.

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  21. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    I don’t know any lawyers that “choose their clients” david. I would like to be in their shoes if there are any lawyers out there like that.

    More likely they chose him, which is hardly strange given he is a leading electoral law expert. And there is nothing nefarious about advising someone on the legal aspects of setting up a political party.

    You may also be interested to know that it is an ethical requirement for lawyers to accept a client unless very narrow criteria are met. Being disliked by a portion of the public is not one of them

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  22. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    nickb>You may also be interested to know that it is an ethical requirement for lawyers to accept a client unless very narrow criteria are met.

    I can see why that is a matter of principle for defence of a criminal in court. But it hardly makes sense when someone wants advice on criminal law.

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  23. Manolo (13,749 comments) says:

    A dodgy meeting: the Aussie communist and the German con-man.

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  24. RRM (9,917 comments) says:

    I’ve voted for the Greens in the past.

    The departure of Jeanette Fitzsimons, and the rise and rise of this Norman idiot has seen the Greens degraded from a good little pressure party that I supported on many issues, to a fairly competent and eloquent alternative view that I felt was worth having around, despite a few policies I didn’t agree with, to now a bizarre and very extremist bunch of basically anti-establishment protestors who I just can’t identify with, and can no longer support with a good conscience.

    I know I’ve moved to the right of where I was 6 or 8 years ago, but there’s more to it than that. The quality of people in the Greens (and labour) really has deteriorated.

    I don’t believe I’m the only one, and I really don’t think they’ll poll as well in 2014 as they did in 2011.

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  25. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    I back nickb on this. Graeme is widely respected, he often gives advice for free in social media, and he comes across as independent and straight as. Dotcom was wise to seek his advice (in direct contrast with for seeking Bradbury’s advice).

    If lawyers could turn down any work involving people they didn’t like or disagreed with we would have a dysfunctional legal system.

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  26. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    I don’t believe I’m the only one, and I really don’t think they’ll poll as well in 2014 as they did in 2011.

    A year or two ago the Greens seemed to think they were on an upward trend and expected their election support to keep growing. Polls show that this hasn’t happened.

    This is despite Labour’s terrible experience with Shearer and infighting gifting Greens some leftie support.

    There’s a good chance that the closer to the election we get the more concerned people are with giving Greens significant support.

    Greens are very much aware that negotiating power is in the number of MPs they get – see Turei signals deap-sea drilling goal, If voters realise and somehow Labour look better then Greens may well lose support.

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  27. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    Breaking news on Twitter:

    Lachlan Forsyth ‏@LachlanForsyth 1m

    Press release: Alastair Thompson has resigned as interim General Secretary of @Kimdotcom’s Internet Party, effective immediately.

    The Internet Party seems to have a few wee problems at the moment…

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  28. RRM (9,917 comments) says:

    Graeme is a wonderfully informative commenter here and comments like the above are pretty retarded.

    +1, Graeme Edgeler is one of a very few commentors on here that I would listen to on any subject he chose to pipe up about.

    And for goodness’ sake, of course he didn’t spill the beans on private business matters between himself and his paying customer, just because some hyperventilating political activist journalist/blogger phoned him asking about it.

    FFS, you don’t need some elaborate lawyer’s ethical code to see this. Would you tell Whale Oil all about what your customers are up to, and what you’re doing for them? I wouldn’t.

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  29. mara (784 comments) says:

    Both Wussel and the fat Kraut are pathetic. It’s only January and already we are being bombarded with the lying utterances of venal, stupid, power-crazed, troughing, hypocritical political bastards of all stripe. Politics is interesting in the way that 2 headed chickens and the fattest man on earth are interesting .. And, given that half of all the population falls on the lower half of the IQ bell-curve, it depresses me that I even need to worry that NZ will go to the dogs in November. If finances allowed, I’d live off-shore till then.

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  30. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    I don’t see any reason we shouldn’t laugh at him for doing so.

    I don’t see any reason we shouldn’t laugh at your faulty logic.

    And for goodness’ sake, of course he didn’t spill the beans on private business matters between himself and his paying customer, just because some hyperventilating political activist journalist/blogger phoned him asking about it.

    But RRM, if you’re not against the “Fat Kraut”, you’re clearly a fascist, a hacker, a pirater, a media hack with a huge conflict of interest, or you don’t pay tradesmen on time. Or something.

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  31. tas (625 comments) says:

    Norman is clearly afraid that the internet party is direct competition for the Greens. I do actually like a lot of the Greens’ stance when it comes to internet issues. (Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.)

    I hope internet issues become somewhat important in the next election and that National becomes a bit more reasonable in that respect.

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  32. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Lachlan Forsyth ‏@LachlanForsyth 1m

    Press release: Alastair Thompson has resigned as interim General Secretary of @Kimdotcom’s Internet Party, effective immediately.

    Not really surprising. Vikram Kumar announced his resignation as CEO of MegaEgo (or whatever Dotcom’s Mega replacement is called) to take up a position in the a Internet Party. What chance it is as General Secretary? – effectively a CEO role.

    The question now is whether this change is so that Thompson can stand as a candidate, or so that he can continue with his bid to get on the Internet NZ Council without a charge of conflict of interest thrown at him. (Of course that would also give the internet Party a core supporter in a position of strong influence in that otherwise non-politically aligned organisation…)

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  33. Nostalgia-NZ (5,195 comments) says:

    I must be gullible for not believing that Norman could think that he would be able to talk Dotcom out of starting a party. What greater sign of weakness could he show, it would be a gift to Dotcom to believe he was being taken seriously enough to be asked to stand on the side-lines. It would sheer stupidity for Norman to believe he could influence Dotcom to stay out of politics – even on the basis of what could be done for him if there was a change of Government. This could be seen as a sign that the Greens are in trouble, at least in the mind of one of its co leaders The interesting point is that the name The Internet Party has gone from being a sort of hoax to a serious player. If for example Dotcom was offered the opportunity to be given a fresh assessment of his personal situation in the light of a new Government being formed, it’s unlikely he would chance that by leaving that in Norman’s hands rather than his own.

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  34. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    So the claim that the Internet Party would harm the Greens vote was not news to the co-leader of the party.

    His pro activity, unsuccessful as it was, was just him representing his party’s interest.

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  35. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    @I2: Ahh the hypocrisy factor. Fair enough.

    But still, damn MMP and all its evil works.

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  36. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    It must have been slightly galling for Norman to realise he is chasing the same block of votes as a convicted fraudster.

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  37. freemark (580 comments) says:

    Slightlyrighty
    “It must have been slightly galling for Norman to realise he is chasing the same block of votes as a convicted fraudster.”
    Both fraudsters IMO, one has convictions, one has none at all.

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  38. Duxton (651 comments) says:

    Scene 6, Act 3, from the new movie “Cunliffe’s List”: ‘The meeting’.

    Dotcom: “Velcome! Ach, was is das awful smell?”

    Norman: “Sorry, what smell?”

    Dotcom: “Zat smell. Smells like vun hundred gypsy bodies in a gas chamber!”

    Norman: (Sniffs.) “I can smell anything. But the taxi driver asked a similar question. He said it was like a hundred pilgrims on a bus trip to the Ganges.”

    Dotcom: “Ach, now I zee. It is you. You stink, vorse den schiess!”

    Norman: “What, me?”

    Dotcom: “Yes, dumkopf. Would you like to take a shower?”

    Fades to black…..

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  39. goldnkiwi (1,303 comments) says:

    Can’t?

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