Playing the race card

January 31st, 2014 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

Hamish Rutherford at Stuff reports:

Green Party co-leader is accusing National Party MPs of “pure ” after comments in Parliament about her home and clothing.

Pure racism? What did they say?

East Coast MP and Police Minister said today that Turei, lived in a castle and wore designer clothes.

Speaking during the debate on the Prime Minister John Key’s opening statement to Parliament, Tolley said she was insulted by Green Party claims that she was out of touch.

She said said her role as an electorate MP included meetings with constituents who were among the poorest in the country.

“I’m actually insulted to be lectured about how out of touch I am with average New Zealand by a list MP who has no constituents, lives in a castle and comes to the House in $2000 designed jackets and tells me I’m out of touch,” Tolley said.

I don’t think Turei’s choices of clothes are relevant, and Tolley could have made her point without referring to them. But how in God’s name do you conclude that her comments are racist?

MPs often have a go at each other for their apparent wealth. We hear all the time about John Key having a holiday home in Hawaii, or David Cunliffe living in Herne Bay.  This may be petty, but it is not racist.

Asked about Tolley’s comments, Turei said racism was behind the attack.

“I’m shocked that the National Party would attack me and my home and my appearance. I think it is a racist attack,” she said.

Turei is playing the race card, as a defensive measure.

“I think they seem to think it is all right for them to wear perfectly good suits for their professional job but that a Maori woman from a working-class background is not entitled to do the same. I think it is pure racism.”

Ask how the attack was racist, Turei said she shopped at the same place some of her opponents did.

“They do not think that a professional Maori woman from a working-class background should be able to wear good suits to work,” she said.

Turei seems to be projecting, to put it mildly. They were attacking her for being sanctimonious, not Maori.

Turei said it was unfair to attack her home.

“MPs’ homes have always been outside of the acceptable realms of debate, and so this very personal, very explicit attack, I think, comes from their inability to cope with my work and the effectiveness of my work, and an inherent racism.”

Oh what nonsense. Opposition MPs rant and rave about John Key’s house all the time. Cunliffe’s house also comes in for mention on a regular basis. Neither of them claim it is racism.

Asked whether there was any irony in a Left-wing political leader wearing expensive clothing, she said: “Do you ask that question of David Cunliffe? Do you ask that question of any other political leader or any other politician?

Basically yes. People comment all the time that Cunliffe lives in an incredibly expensive house in a very expensive suburb. Now one can have a view as to whether that is relevant – but Turei is not alone in having jibes about the contrast between claiming to represent the down trodden and their lifestyle.  Also Winston Peters choice of expensive clothes have received lots of comments in the past.

“I’m simply not prepared to pander to that. This is a racist attack by National and I’m not prepared to pander to it.”

Tolley described Turei’s comments as “absolute nonsense”.

“The Greens’ co-leader is entitled to turn up in Parliament every day in expensive designer clothes, and good on her for doing just that,” Tolley said.

As I said, I don’t think what Turei wears is relevant. But Turei playing the race card as a defence is rather sad.

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88 Responses to “Playing the race card”

  1. Mags (38 comments) says:

    She’s pulled out the Chris Carter ‘defence’ you’re picking on me because I’m …

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  2. deadrightkev (469 comments) says:

    Turei wouldn’t know what day it was.

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  3. flash2846 (287 comments) says:

    Metiria Turei is fat and unhealthy also but that is not relevant.
    The same goes for when she comes out all the time with words like “shonky”. The clown can give it but cannot take it. I cannot remember the last time I actually heard Turei tell the truth.
    Note she has grabbed the headline though. This National has to watch out for.

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  4. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    I don’t think Turei’s choices of clothes are relevant,

    I think they are relevant in the context of the debate.

    She really should have pulled her “sexist” card on this one. Right idea but wrong card. If she claimed her clothing was referred to only because she is a, womin, then she would have got support in a place like NZ.

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  5. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Turei is a typical obese left-wing bludger capable of trying anything, especially dishonest, to get traction for her disgusting and irresponsible line-up of trough snouters and treasonous mates.

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  6. Pete George (23,565 comments) says:

    When challenged on it on Twitter Turei responded:

    @metiria
    The racism is covert. Theres no reason for the singular attack but that.

    That’s nonsense, on that basis she could claim any criticism of her is racism, or misogyny, or anti-McGillicuddy, or anti-royalty, or whatever she wanted to dream up.

    What seems to have happened is Tolley made a point that hit a sensitive mark, and Turei had no argument against it. Defensively she resorted to the race card. That’s as bad, at least, as Tolley’s remark.

    In fact Tolley made what is basically a fair point, a major problem the Greens have is the disconnect between how they present themselves and the demographic they purport to be fighting for. I often her it mentioned.

    Greens often come across as middle class (or upper middle class) do-gooders who are out of touch and out of synch with what they represent.

    And complaining about “MPs’ homes have always been outside of the acceptable realms of debate” is also hypocritical – Turei was happy to be publicised in an event at her “castle” earlier this month.

    See Video: Militia mayhem and madness at Waitati.

    The annual Waitati New Year’s Eve Battle between the Waitati Militia and Clan McGillicuddy was a bloody mary affair.

    A 40-strong militia battalion arrived at Almond Castle, home of Green MP Metiria Turei, to discover a gaggle of McGillicuddy gargoyles basking in the battlements.

    The militia banged their drums, waved Jolly Roger flags and shook sticks topped with teapots in rage.

    The rules of the engagement were laid out and a safety briefing given by Ms Turei.

    ”Your safety is of absolutely no concern at all. I’m telling you think to avoid any legal complications later on,” she said.

    I don’t recall Turei complaining that this coverage of her castle was racist.

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  7. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    igm, tell us what you really think ! ;)

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  8. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    Turei is a typical obese left-wing bludger capable of trying anything, especially dishonest, to get traction for her disgusting and irresponsible line-up of trough snouters and treasonous mates.

    Tell us how you really feel about her.

    I don’t trust her because she was one of those weird LARPers. They give roleplayers a bad name. It must be hard wearing the clothes of the 1% while representing the 5% (or whatever the Greens got).

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  9. Mags (38 comments) says:

    And Tolley’s comment:

    Tolley described Turei’s comments as “absolute nonsense”.

    “The Greens’ co-leader is entitled to turn up in Parliament every day in expensive designer clothes, and good on her for doing just that,” Tolley said.

    “But don’t then lecture everyone else about poverty.”

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  10. Pete George (23,565 comments) says:

    That Manolo comment is the nastiest you can get. That sort of personal attack is totally uncalled for, especially gutless when hiding in anonymity.

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  11. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Tut tut Manolo !!!

    Why can’t you be a sanctimonious prig just like PG ?

    Naughty boy ;)

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  12. kowtow (8,485 comments) says:

    It is a time honoured tactic of all those who oppose freedom of expression to use “race” in order to attack,blacken (hahaha) or silence their opposition.

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  13. Keeping Stock (10,341 comments) says:

    Metiria Turei’s response is pathetic, but unfortunately, it seems to be her standard response when someone criticises her. Parliament is not a place for the faint-hearted, and whilst Anne Tolley’s comments were pushing the envelope a bit, they were not in any way racist. They were a response to Ms Turei, a List MP telling the MP for one of NZ’s poorest electorates that she was out of touch with the problems that poor people have.

    If Turei wanted to complain about racism, she should have spoken out against Denis (NZ First) O’Rourke’s xenophobic rant about the evils of Asian immigration.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/01/no-metiria-it-wasnt-racism.html

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  14. Reid (16,467 comments) says:

    It actually shows what a lightweight fool the Gweens have for a co-leader, since the point Tolley raised would, you would think, have had to have been anticipated by any normal person who led a party like the Gweens and really did live in a castle and really did wear $2,000 designer clothes to work. And therefore said normal person, as a professional politician of many years standing, would, you would have thought, had a ready, polished response just waiting to be wheeled out the instant the allegation was made.

    But no, all she has is a transparently false apparently off-the-cuff allegation which doesn’t even make sense, has a high-risk of blowback and would be convincing only to the most ardent village idiot-level idiots amongst the ignorant collective gaggle who comprise Gween voters actual and potential.

    I’ve heard Turei’s quite lazy but it appears she’s also an idiot, if that’s the best she can come up with.

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  15. Ashley Schaeffer (487 comments) says:

    You can just see all the Green whiteys agreeing with her and feeling bad about it can’t you. I’m surprised Mad Delahunty hasn’t chimed in and blamed colonisation yet. Turei’s reaction is pathetic, but tells us a lot about her worldview.

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  16. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    “But don’t then lecture everyone else about poverty.”

    Tolley is attacking her for being a hypocrite…not for being Maori.

    Stuff did pick an extreeemly unflattering picture of Turei for the article, realy made her look like a pig dressed in a frock…

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  17. big bruv (13,899 comments) says:

    This is a typical response from a low life Green. When cornered, or under fire they bring out the race card to hide the truth.

    What Tolley said is true, the fat female co-leader of the stinking Greens is laughable as a so called advocate of “the poor”. She lives in a flash house (a house she would sell and give the money to the poor if she was a true warrior for the “poor”) she wears clothes that could feed a “poor” family month.

    In other words the fat female co-leader of the stinking Greens is a fraud and a hypocrite.

    Mind you, given her ever increasing size it is doubtful that she will be vandalising any National party billboards this election.

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  18. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    I guess then when it comes to Turei;
    Criticism = racist (could substitute Nazi or other social pariah label)
    Praise = enlightened one

    A pathetic method of shallow, lazy debating.

    (Maybe that makes me a racist, Nazi, rich prick?)

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  19. alloytoo (543 comments) says:

    Didn’t Metiria Turei’s reply just reinforce Tolley’s point?

    Well yes indeed she did.

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  20. Simon (724 comments) says:

    Turei ironically is a lightweight.

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  21. Positan (390 comments) says:

    Labour/Greens and their ever-so-blindly-dumb adherents have abused the word “racism” to the point where it’s now all but meaningless.

    If PC-dictates weren’t as silly as they are (and have always been), and we weren’t as susceptible to dogma-following as we’ve proven to be, we’d never have let such nonsense as derogatory pronouncements on racial differences become the sort of killer-grand-slam-no-no it has become.

    Turei has constantly demonstrated her complete inability to grasp the essentials of her job and this latest attempt at diverting the course of argument only underlines her unsuitability for the position she holds. She’s a disgrace to herself, to parliament and to the Maori “standards” she purports to uphold.

    In days to come, the legacy of the Left will be seen as nothing more than the dogged pursuit of inanity, couched in idiocy, and rendered by willfully-incompetent non-thinkers.

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  22. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    This synthetic moral outrage really is getting rather tedious.

    I don’t know how she & the Maori Elite/Brorocracy find the courage to carry on accepting the racist free accommodation, education, healthcare, TV Stations, lowered educational requirements all the while demanding an apartheid system where their privilege is constitutionally enshrined for eternity making everyone else second rate citizens.

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  23. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Isn’t it racist to assume Tolley was being racist? There is a double racist in there, but I think Metiria is the racist.

    As in Metiria thinks all Maori are rich bogans that wear designer jackets and live in mansions?

    Or conversely she thinks all Maori are poor and would be insulted by being called rich?

    Both of those assumptions on her part seem highly racist.

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  24. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Metiria Turei is fat and unhealthy also but that is not relevant.

    It is when they are proposing high taxes on fatty foods…maybe MPs will be exempt?

    Isn’t proposing a fat tax racist? Because obesity is more prevalent amongst Maori and Pasifika people and therefore discriminates against them? Surely proposing a fat tax is far more racist than saying someone is a bad dresser (which surely in no way could be perceived as racist).

    Is it racist to say I once saw Shane Jones wearing sneans? Or Parekura Horomia wearing socks and sandals?

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  25. CHFR (229 comments) says:

    Thanks Pete for the link. To me the fact she is still involved in Pacifict Warfare makes her totally unsuitable for public office. This was an activity for 20 something uni students in the late 80’s early 90’s and most of us have grown well beyond it. Those who are anything older than their 20’s are just plain creepy, or were considered such by those of us who were younger.

    How can she expect to be taken seriously when she is still involved in this activity.

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  26. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Good hit by Anne Tolley.

    The only person mentioning race here, is the one crying racism.

    By that standard, it is racist to disagree with anything any Maori says…

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  27. ciaron (1,434 comments) says:

    “I’m simply not prepared to pander to that. This is a racist attack by National and I’m not prepared to pander to it.”

    Dr. Chopper prescribes you to hu, hu, hu, hu… harden the fuck up.

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  28. alex Masterley (1,517 comments) says:

    Pete, thanks for the link.

    I always had my doubts about waitati.

    I would not want to be one of her neighbour with all those idiots visiting.

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  29. Pete George (23,565 comments) says:

    Two views of this from the Maori viewpoint. Joshua Hitchcock:

    Reading Minister Tolley’s response to Metiria Turei and I do not see what all the fuss is about. But then, it is not my place to judge whether or not someone has experienced racism – it is a deeply personal experience and one in which context (in this instance, Metiria Turei’s life story) plays a huge part. Ad hominem attacks are a dangerous game to engage in, something Minister Tolley has found out this week.

    Perhaps this presents an opportunity for the Green Party to take stock and reconsider some of their policy proposals that other groups consider racist. Anti-immigration, anti-foreigner policies which treat people differently based on the birth lottery have not gone down too well. It wasn’t that long ago the left were arguing that they were not racist. Racism is a personal experience – it is not for white liberals to argue racism along partisan lines. If foreigners feel unwelcome, or no longer welcome in New Zealand as a result of Green Party policy, then that is their experience and you cannot deny it.

    Basically if it feels racist to you then it is. But that’s a double edged sword.

    And Morgan Godfery: Anne Tolley: an agent of colourblind racism?

    Tolley didn’t need to mention race. Her attack is loaded with social, political and racial assumptions. The unspoken context is that Metiria, a Maori woman who lives well and dresses better, is acting out of turn and out of step with her community. How can she be in touch with her community when she isn’t living like them? The premise is that a Maori woman cannot dress well and claim to represent her people. Because Maori live exclusively in poverty, amirite.

    Is he right?

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  30. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “it is racist to disagree with anything any Maori says…”

    Now you’re getting it :)

    She really is a silly woman with huge self esteem issues. Every picture its that same fake smile. Shes nuts.

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  31. hamish_nzl (21 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  32. LesleyNZ (20 comments) says:

    Anne Tolley could also have added about the weird games Metiria Turei plays with her friends. $2000 would buy a lot of Weetbix and bread. Bunch of hypocrites some of these Socialist MPs are. If they truly believed in their philosophy and political persuasion they would never spend $2000 on a jacket.

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  33. Pete George (23,565 comments) says:

    I presume Manolo voluntarily deleted the comment I referred to – if so good on him for that.

    [DPF: No, I did it]

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  34. Pete George (23,565 comments) says:

    The only question worth asking is: would Anne Tolley make the same comment of a non-Maori women in parliament – or to a male opposition MP? If your answer is no, then it definitely has racist (and/or sexist) overtones.

    Maori and women can’t be criticised for fear of being labeled a racist or anti-female attack?

    I presume it was Turei who criticised Tolley for being out of touch. Was Turei sexist?

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  35. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    So a Maori can criticise Turei for living in a castle and wearing expensive garish clothes but a white person can’t. I’m sure there’s a term for that, it’s just not coming to mind right now…

    If Tolley’s great-great-grandfather was Ngai Tahu would that make it ok?

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  36. Cunningham (844 comments) says:

    “As I said, I don’t think what Turei wears is relevant” I’m sorry but I disagree. She is one of the nastiest politicians in parliament and is constantly accusing the right of being heartless and cold towards the poor. If you can’t take it don’t dish it out.

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  37. Pete George (23,565 comments) says:

    Tolley’s full comments that sparked this:

    DEBATE ON PRIME MINISTER’S STATEMENT

    15:15:58~Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Police)

    Hon ANNE TOLLEY (Minister of Police): Well, the 2014 election year has begun predictably. National led off and announced its education policy, which was focused on lifting educational achievement for all New Zealand children. It was well targeted and as a result parents, teachers, and school leaders love it. It was well-thought-through and it was well costed, and we know how we are going to fund it.

    The Greens—well, the Greens held a picnic and I think what resulted from that was that they gave the kids a sandwich, actually—they gave four kids a sandwich. [Interruption]

    The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (H V Ross Robertson): Order! Can I have some respect for the member trying to address the House? Courtesy is contagious, Mr Mallard.

    Hon ANNE TOLLEY: Thank you Mr Speaker. They insulted all the parents of kids in low-decile schools by saying essentially that those people cannot feed their kids and that their kids are unhealthy.

    More important, the Greens reinforced their lack of ambition for these kids by confirming their belief that poor kids cannot learn. It is not that the poor kids are not bright or that they are not hard working; they simply cannot learn because their parents do not earn enough dollars. I find that insulting.

    While we are on insults, I am actually rather insulted as a constituent MP. I serve an electorate day after day, week after week, meeting and talking with people in my home communities. I have to say that they are not well off. In my electorate, I represent some of the poorest communities in New Zealand.

    I am actually insulted to be lectured on how out of touch I am with average New Zealanders by a list MP who has no constituents, lives in a castle, and comes to the House dressed in $2,000 designer jackets, and tells me that I am out of touch.

    Well, actually, I say to the Green MPs: “Come into my patch and have a look. Come into my patch.”

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  38. Keeping Stock (10,341 comments) says:

    @ Pete George – Is Turei herself being racist by implying that a pakeha woman can’t understand what it’s like to be poor?

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  39. Pete George (23,565 comments) says:

    According to Gidfery if Turei feels that it was a racist attack then it’s racist. So according to Hitchcock the same should apply to Tolley.

    However Turei felt she mad a mistake by pandering to sympathy for the oppressed.

    Instead of that she should have addressed the point that Tolley raised. She didn’t so Tolley’s point remains unchallenged and Turei loses on two counts.

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  40. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “The only question worth asking is: would Anne Tolley make the same comment of a non-Maori women in parliament – or to a male opposition MP?”
    Of course she would. To suggest otherwise is bigoted.

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  41. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Obviously she cried racist because this really hit home to the bone.

    It was a legitimate question though. If Turei is so concerned about the poor, what has she actually done in her personal capacity to help? Has she, for example, volunteered at a city mission or similar?

    Note: grandstanding in Parliament in $2,000 designer jackets does not count.

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  42. BeaB (2,123 comments) says:

    I think Tolley is wrong. Those jackets cost $4000 and the designer must be laughing all the way to the bank.

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  43. Kimbo (934 comments) says:

    “According to Gidfery if Turei feels that it was a racist attack then it’s racist. So according to Hitchcock the same should apply to Tolley”.

    —————————–

    Not so, Pete George.

    As Tolley is a member of the ‘oppressive white privileged hegemony’, her every action is an act of racist oppression. So she cannot be subject to any racist attacks. Instead, any Maori or member of an ethnic minority attacking her is engaging in an empowering act of liberation.

    Unless it is a man, then it would be sexism, because Tolley is a woman.

    Tune in next week for another episode of “Know your class/gender/race/sexual orientation-warfare trouble merchant”.

    I don’t make the rules of dialectic analysis, and nor do I agree with them – I just report them.

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  44. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    I don’t think Turei’s choices of clothes are relevant, and Tolley could have made her point without referring to them.
    ========

    Cmon DPF, of course its relevant.
    I spent two days last year in Whakatane at the home show. Anne Tolley had a stand there and was on that stand from opening to closing. She talked to everyone who wanted to talk to her. There was a queue to do that and when she had a quiet moment she walked around all the exhibitors and spoke to them.
    I spoke to her just before closing and she was off to catch the plane to Wellywood and catch up with her Cabinet work.

    That’s doing the hard graft at the at the coal face. 3 days of it. When did the clothes horse Turei ever do that.

    I’m complete puzzled where the Turei gets the dosh to fund her clothes horse activities. Never seen an interview where she had worn the same jacket twice. She is without doubt an out of touch, self promoting individual and Tolley was bang on the money.

    Turei is a fraud without doubt.

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  45. hamish_nzl (21 comments) says:

    I presume it was Turei who criticised Tolley for being out of touch. Was Turei sexist?

    It was a press release that addressed specific ECE policy (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1008/S00442/tolley-totally-out-of-touch-on-early-childhood-ed.htm) and contained no personal attacks. Red herring.

    Of course she would. To suggest otherwise is bigoted.

    Ah, so we’ve progressed from breathlessness about Turei using the ‘R’ word, to the point where even suggesting that Tolley was acting in a racist way is, in itself, a bigoted act.

    Well played.

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  46. dirty harry (489 comments) says:

    Watch it Manolo…policeman George fun police is on ya case….

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  47. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    She could downgrade her $4000 jackets to $500 jackets. Then give that $3500 saved to poor FAMILIES.

    Why wont she help FAMILIES?

    Does she not like FAMILIES?

    How is it FAIR that she lives in a CASTLE and wears $4000 JACKETS when FAMILIES are struggling to feed their KIDS??

    She sounds like an evil RICH PRICK

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  48. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    hamish, I suspect the scoop press release you linked to, which is three years old and refers to comments not made by Turei, in fact not even made by the Greens but by Labour, is the red herring.

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  49. david (2,557 comments) says:

    Tolley’s remarks made a number of points, many of which have been pointed out here. What hasn’t been pointed out was the bit about Turei being a List MP and not having constituents. This is behind the implied allegations of hypocrisy and Tolley was quite in order to tell Turei that she refuses to be lectured by someone who is either patently out of touch with the people she professes to be advocating for or exhibits no evidence that she knows enough about their circumstances that she can legitimately represent them on the political stage.

    All very good points and ..surprise, surprise not a single mention of any colour other than Green. Slagging Green is now showing bias on the grounds of colour it seems.

    Quick, someone call Susan Devoy and let her know the change in rules.

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  50. hamish_nzl (21 comments) says:

    @RightNow ahhh you are correct, my apologies.

    Nevertheless, criticism of a government policy is not a personal attack on the minister.

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  51. Liberty (267 comments) says:

    The difference between Tolley and Metiria Ture is Tolley was elected by her electorate.
    Where as Metiria Ture was appointed by the Green central committee.
    Metiria Ture reeks of hypocrisy
    Go’s on about Global warming . Yet buys a house in Dunedin. Not only does she suck of the state tit for travel. Her carbon foot print is enormous .
    Metiria Ture rants on about poverty while wearing $2000 designer clothes.
    Just like “Animal farm” Miss piggy is right at home in the big house

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  52. hamish_nzl (21 comments) says:

    @RightNow where are the original comments anyway?

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  53. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “Nevertheless, criticism of a government policy is not a personal attack on the minister.”

    Calling someone “out of touch” is not a criticism of a government policy.

    I would guess the original comments could be found in Hansard, but I’m not really interested in searching for them.

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  54. Kimbo (934 comments) says:

    @ hamish_nzl

    “It was a press release that addressed specific ECE policy (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1008/S00442/tolley-totally-out-of-touch-on-early-childhood-ed.htm) and contained no personal attacks. Red herring”.

    Um, no. You have linked to a Labour press release, not one from Turei. Bigger red herring.

    Unless, as many have long suspected, Labour really are the puppet, and the Greens are the hand up their arse doing the talking?

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  55. alex Masterley (1,517 comments) says:

    Liberty,
    I bet Ms Turei uses a cab to get to and from Momona Airport, so we will be paying for that indulgence

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  56. coge (190 comments) says:

    Greens must be in trouble. “Wascist!” they cry.

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  57. Ashley Schaeffer (487 comments) says:

    Her carbon foot print is enormous.

    Her non-carbon footprint is quite sizeable as well. Tiddybom.

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  58. Kimbo (934 comments) says:

    @hamish_nzl

    “@RightNow where are the original comments anyway?”

    Um, you weren’t asking me, but

    1. As Turei has essentially acknowledged them by criticising Tolley’s words, rather then denying she (Turei) said it, and…

    2. as you are defending Turei with the suspect logic that, “Calling someone “out of touch” is not a criticism of a government policy”…

    I would have thought the onus was on you to find the original quote to see if there is a “you have ignored the context” weasel-out option, not RightNow…

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  59. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Tolley’s point seems to be that Turei is as out of touch with ordinary people as any National MP – fair enough, I suppose.

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  60. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Kimbo, the “Calling someone “out of touch” is not a criticism of a government policy” was said by me in rebuttal to hamish.
    Otherwise as you were :)

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  61. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “Tolley’s point seems to be that Turei is as out of touch with ordinary people as any National MP – fair enough, I suppose.”

    That’s very big of you to say National MP’s aren’t any more out of touch with ordinary people than Turei.

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  62. Manolo (13,775 comments) says:

    P.G., save your sanctimony and lachrymose comments for someone who cares about your inane opinion.

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  63. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    and here comes resident hang wringer milt with his love for the greens so large that mere logic and facts can alter based purely on whether or not a green or someone else uttered them.

    you see unlike the greens, the members of national and Act who came from poor backgrounds do their best to help those people help themselves, not steal from other members of society to bribe them for a vote (at which point they stop caring).

    the members of the greens who usually come from middle class affluent backgrounds and who decided at university (which they did not have to have job as mummy and daddy will have footed teh bill) that capitalism was bad and that poor people need to be given money, do seem to spend a lot of effort looking as rich as possible.

    turei is a hypocrite, she rants about the rich, but buys clothes that rich people would not waste money on, and then dares to lecture on rich people ‘doing their fair share’.

    as dime said, she could lead by example, and give most of her money away to (non green affiliated) charities that work with the poor and live a frugal lifestyle that her policies want to force on the rest of us.

    she has every right to be a hypocrite and tell us to do one thing while doing another herself, but its not racist to call her on it.

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  64. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Turei playing the race card is especially outrageous since her co-leader has been making nasty racist attacks on Chinese people for at least a couple of years, like a younger Winston Peters. Has she ever tried to stop him making these racist attacks on Chinese immigrants or Chinese people in general? Has she tried to change Green party policies that discriminate against Chinese immigrants?

    But I’m interested in this Castle. Does Turei live in a large home with a large heating and lighting bill? I always assumed a Green would live in an energy-efficient apartment. Just what are we talking about when we refer to a “Castle”?

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  65. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    davidp – she actually lives in a faux castle.

    I understand it’s the site for this LARPing about:

    Warning: visions of Turei twerking may cause unpleasant side effects

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  66. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    RightNow>she actually lives in a faux castle

    Do you have a link to a photo? Hard to get any useful hits from Google, since all the results are of her whining about racism.

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  67. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “Do you have a link to a photo?”

    No, but skip to 1:50 in the video, I understand that’s her castle.

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  68. backster (2,172 comments) says:

    I was surprised that this co-leader of the Greens appeared to be wearing a necklace composed of the fangs of a threatened wildlife species at Question Time the other day.

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  69. tvb (4,422 comments) says:

    Turei thinks it is racist to criticise her for wearing expensive European styled clothes. She will Te nowhere playing that card. She smells power and is already getting full of herself. She will not be a success.

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  70. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Warning: visions of Turei twerking may cause unpleasant side effects

    I got a semi :-)

    No not really.

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  71. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “I got a semi ” – could have happened if you started with hardwood.

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  72. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    Therefore, in pursuit of resolution, the matter would seem to revolve around the need to establish if in fact the facts, as alleged by A.Tolley M.P are true:

    According to Hansard, A.Tolley said ‘I am actually insulted to be lectured on how out of touch I am with average New Zealanders by a list MP who has no constituents, lives in a castle, and comes to the House dressed in $2,000 designer jackets, and tells me that I am out of touch’.

    Does Ms Turei:

    Have any constituents?

    Live in a castle (faux or otherwise)?

    Does she/has she been known to wear $2000 designer jackets into the New Zealand House of Parliament?

    Has Ms Turei told A. Tolley that she is ‘out of touch’?

    Answer these questions and you have an answer to the truth of Ms Turei’s ‘allegation’.

    BTW: Some people are insulted (take umbrage), because they choose to; it suits them to do so.

    Methinks Ms Turei is one such individual.

    Roll-on the General Election ….

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  73. Pete George (23,565 comments) says:

    This would appear to have a pic of part of Almond Castle, Waitati. That looks fairly public.

    “Turei said it was unfair to attack her home.”

    So just look and don’t comment. otherwise you’re a fracking racist, sexist, homophobic, oil loving, climate denying child hater.

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  74. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    RightNow>No, but skip to 1:50 in the video, I understand that’s her castle.

    Thanks for the link. I’m amazed. Back in the 18th and 19th centuries, the rich and idle European upper class built themselves outrageous follies to live in. Here is a good example in Scotland: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunmore_Pineapple . This mostly came to an end by WW2 where the follies became too expensive to maintain, and people realised that ostentatious displays of whimsy are basically tacky.

    And then along comes Turei, living a fantasy life in her role-playing costumes, living in a fantasy faux-18th century home, and spending a fortune on clothes while claiming to work for the poor. She really is a modern day Marie Antoinette. “Let them eat cake, which the taxpayer will pay for.”

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  75. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    She didn’t have a Castle when she was married to Anne Hartley’s son !

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  76. Manolo (13,775 comments) says:

    That video is hazardous to anyone’s health. Disgusting, filthy scum.

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  77. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    DavidP
    re: “Let them eat cake, which the taxpayer will pay for”

    This raises an interesting question: As we know, the gweens like to portray themselves as being ‘poor’ and as such identifying with the ‘common herd’. This gives them credence in their campaigns to save all the little animals

    But, has anyone done a breakdown of their individual net worth? And exactly where their money goes, and what it is ‘stored’ in.

    Based-upon revelations made at various times about Labour’s ‘investments'(and ‘forgetfulness’), I suspect that the results could be ‘revealing’.

    The MSM certainly won’t do an ‘investigation’ on their ‘pets’, but no doubt there are ‘other means’ by which information could be obtained.

    Hopefully someone has already taken the time….

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  78. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Pete: “This would appear to have a pic of part of Almond Castle, Waitati. That looks fairly public.”

    A bit of research suggests it was built by Terry Sheppard (who died in 2010), and he called it Egmont Castle.
    Page 22 of this PDF has his obituary which talks about him building it. That article suggests to me it’s a private residence.
    http://images.wikia.com/newzealand/images/0/0b/BNJuly10Small.pdf

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  79. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Komata>But, has anyone done a breakdown of their individual net worth? And exactly where their money goes, and what it is ‘stored’ in.

    Their superannuation rorts were exposed a long time ago. From memory, their parliamentary superannuation was invested in property, which Green MPs lived in but charged parliamentary services rent for. It absolutely ripped off the taxpayer, but I was quite impressed that they managed to dream up a financial scheme so devious that Terry Serepisos would have loved it. They’re all fluffy and organic on the outside, but inside they are ruthless financial operators without a hint of morality.

    However, I think the Green industry is a bit like law or architecture. Young lawyers work for a pittance in the hope that one day they will make partner in a large law firm and they’ll be rolling in it. Young Greens have to collect asset sale petition signatures on the street, working in the rain and being paid a miserable sum. But if they work long and hard enough they’ll eventually be selected for a winnable place on the List and then they’ll get to live in a castle like Turei.

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  80. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Actually Pete, you’re part right, it does seem to be called Almond Castle. But the ODT also says it’s the home of Metirial Turei:

    A 40-strong militia battalion arrived at Almond Castle, home of Green MP Metiria Turei

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/286986/video-militia-mayhem-and-madness-waitati

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  81. dubya (235 comments) says:

    I believe this

    https://static.rpdata.com/rpdaNZ/photo/listsale/nz/768×512/08/03/11/NZ01427A/83.JPG

    is the ‘castle’ in question. The precious princess appears to choose a fleet of Toyota Coronas as her royal conveyance. Not sure what to make of the apparently corrugated iron side ramparts… a facade of stability perhaps?

    A house that ugly, sort of explains the taste in tailoring!

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  82. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Tsk tsk Turei living in a flash pakeha type house, don’t you understand having a touch of the tar that you should be living in a state house in Otara or Flaxmere.
    That’s the trouble with darkies, always get above their station in life.

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  83. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    If she has to resort to that lazy (and baseless) slur, simply for being called out for her sanctimony, she’s a lightweight.

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  84. doggone7 (805 comments) says:

    We can’t have people in flash clothes pontificating about poverty so Turia shouldn’t be listened to according to the National Party harridans. So am I assume to John Key’s (hard earned) wealth means it is also inappropriate for him to talk about the same thing?

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  85. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    doggone7
    The issue is that Turei first accused Anne Tolley for being “out of touch”. On what basis? That she’s a Minister? Because she’s white? (See how that works?) :)

    Tolley responded that she can hardly be lectured on being out of touch when the lecturer is wealthy and has a personal means and lifestyle well above that of the average New Zealander, let alone those in poverty.
    Tolley is also in a privileged position too of course, but Turei is not in a position to lecture. Even if you take into account her background as a struggling solo mother, other MPs (and Ministers) have been in similar circumstances yet have not resorted to similar levels of sanctimony.

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  86. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    wow doggone7, you managed to get that 100% backwards didn’t you?

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  87. Longknives (4,750 comments) says:

    We seem to be going down the track of ‘if you don’t vote for the Gweens you are a racist!’..
    Much like if you vote Republican you must be a racist…apparently.

    *Judith Collins is bloody fantastic!

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  88. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    MT represents 100% of brown people living in poverty…..

    Stupid fat bitch :)

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