Tasmanian Labor says never again to Greens

January 19th, 2014 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

The Australian reports:

TASMANIAN Labor has ended the nation’s first experiment of Greens in cabinet, conceding power-sharing with the minor party alienates its core supporters, suffocates its messages and must never be repeated. …

She said caucus had resolved that it would never again have Greens “in cabinet” and would not make “power-sharing deals”.

Yet the only possible route to power for NZ Labour is through the Greens.

Senior national Labor figures have urged the party to end its dalliances with the Greens. Union leader Paul Howes last week called for the Tasmanian agreement to be the last anywhere in the country.

Once bitten, twice shy.

To give you some idea of how unpopular the Labor-Green Government is, Labor were at just 18% in the latest poll in Tasmania (Nov 13). That is under half of what they got in 2010.

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25 Responses to “Tasmanian Labor says never again to Greens”

  1. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    What would you expect with 20% unemployment outside Hobart?

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  2. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    See, when you mix dirty clothes with the clean clothes, both sets become dirty, the clean clothes don’t clean the dirty, it’s the other way round.

    Only it’s not clothes we’re talking about, it’s political life or death.

    Maybe the Gweens should change their name to something more truly reflective of their influence, like maybe, The Cancer Party.

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  3. Ed Snack (1,873 comments) says:

    Interesting though, when asked directly if they would rule out partnering with the Greens again after the election if it was necessary to form a government, they refused to rule it out. It may lead to bad government, but power is more important…

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  4. Ryan Sproull (7,153 comments) says:

    Yet the only possible route to power for NZ Labour is through the Greens.

    NZ Labour can gain power through the Tasmanian Greens?!

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  5. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    Green Aussie nutters, Green Kiwi nutters…, ad infinitum. The common thread is their worshipping of Gaia and loyalty to communism.

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  6. duggledog (1,558 comments) says:

    Same philosophy Ryan! Principles that don’t work, haven’t worked, and can’t work. Still, at least they have learned – or at least one generation has.

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  7. Ryan Sproull (7,153 comments) says:

    There are probably a lot of similarities between the Australian Greens and NZ Greens in terms of philosophy.

    And also between the National Party and the Liberals.

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  8. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “NZ Labour can gain power through the Tasmanian Greens?!”

    and the award for most idiotic comment of the week goes to…

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  9. peterwn (3,273 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe does not need to offer the Greens a thing. The Greens have no option but to support a Labour government. The lefty Greens have made it quite clear at conference level that they will never support National. So Winston Peters, Maori Party leaders and Peter Dunne may collect some baubles, but zilch for Greens.

    A better name for the Green Party would be the Communist Party.

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  10. Ryan Sproull (7,153 comments) says:

    and the award for most idiotic comment of the week goes to…

    Dime, you can’t seriously have missed my point.

    If we’re judging the merits of New Zealand political parties on the basis of the merits of their Australian counterparts, why stop with the Greens? Why not judge National on Abbott’s unpopularity, or Cunliffe on Kevin Rudd’s performance?

    Unless, perhaps, there’s enough of a difference between the Australian parties and the Kiwi parties that making those kinds of judgements is disingenuous?

    Judge the NZ Greens on their own merits, not what some Tasmanian Labor person says about Australian Greens.

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  11. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    Unless, perhaps, there’s enough of a difference between the Australian parties and the Kiwi parties that making those kinds of judgements is disingenuous?

    Ryan insanity abounds in both. It’s an easy judgement. Ever listened to them? Case closed.

    Judge the NZ Greens on their own merits, not what some Tasmanian Labor person says about Australian Greens.

    They don’t have any. They have plenty of negatives: e.g. idealistic, impractical, obnoxious, self-righteous, naive, arrogant.

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  12. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Judge the NZ Greens on their own merits, not what some Tasmanian Labor person says about Australian Greens.

    Even using those standards they are still as inept, incompetent and unfit to govern as the Australian Greens.

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  13. Ryan Sproull (7,153 comments) says:

    Ryan insanity abounds in both. It’s an easy judgement. Ever listened to them? Case closed.

    Yes, I realised too late I should have said, for this audience, “Judge the NZ Greens on their own flaws” rather than merits…

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  14. Kimble (4,440 comments) says:

    Ryan, the similarities in philosophy between the Greens in Tasmania and NZ are significant. So are the similarities between Tasmania and New Zealand.

    The Greens stand in the way of economic development in Tasmania. They treat the entire (massive) island as a nature reserve and ostensibly dont care about the populace. The damage they are doing to the people of Tasmania is not a by-product of bad legislation, its due to the primary purpose of bad legislation. It is likely you would see the same thing here; the Greens blocking economic development and costing jobs.

    In relying on the Greens to hold power Labor also allows the Greens to hold power, and so are to blame for all the damage the Greens do. And that is a future Labour faces in NZ.

    Drawing similarities between Aus Greens and NZ Greens is fair. Saying Key has a problem because Abbott, who he may share some philosophies with, is unpopular is silly.

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  15. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Greens are recycled commos being disruptive losers everywhere. Take a look at the rubbish we have here, not one of them has ever stood on their own two feet, yet their leader reckons he can run our national economy. If this is so, let us see his personal list of economic achievements in his private life? Like Cunliffe, the actual answer will be “No”, unless somewhat falsified in a dishonest Cv.

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  16. Ryan Sproull (7,153 comments) says:

    Interesting. Thanks, Kimble.

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  17. coge (190 comments) says:

    Every Aussie knows, vote Labor get Greens. It’s the same this side of the Tasman.

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  18. freemark (580 comments) says:

    http://www.vexnews.com/2009/12/thieving-greens-study-shows-green-product-enthusiasts-more-likely-to-cheat-and-steal/
    How surprising… :)

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  19. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    Last week it was reported that 82% of kiwis sort their rubbish.

    While the carbon tax stands idly by doing absolutely nothing.

    National has to defend that – as someone will soon point out. :cool:

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  20. MH (757 comments) says:

    just as Australia has tried his experiment at a safe distance on Tassie, then we should try a period of co-habitation of the 2 parties on Stewart Isld (do we have a Maori equivalent for that name ?).

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  21. Gerard Barry (28 comments) says:

    It is all a bullshit PR stunt by two tired old lovers wondering how they can fool the punters and still retain government. Tasmania, with 65% of the population being in government employ and on some form of welfare, is a failed state. Courtesy of Labor and the Greens who have ripped the shitter out of the Tasmanian economy and employment opportunities. But don’t worry folks, it is exactly the type of environmental paradise the Greens want the rest of Australia to pay for.

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  22. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    So a Labour government resorts to blaming its coalition partners for its unpopularity and unions within the party particularly so as they dislike a pro environment policy – given the record of the Soviet Union and China till popular unrest in China over air, water and food safety, why is the union position surprising?

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  23. OneTrack (3,107 comments) says:

    “The Greens have no option but to support a Labour government.”

    If the Greens dont get significant ministerial representation in the next Labour? led government, then there is little point for them to exist ( except to provide the encumbents with the baubles ) and little point for anybody to continue to vote for them. so the pressure will be on Norman to produce some practical results for his party, and more than they have already achieved with National ie home insulation, etc. Does this mean they would refuse to support Labour? If they dont want to remain the last cab off the rank, then I think so.

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  24. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Labour-Green-NZ First-Dot Con-Mana government is a certainty in NZ in 2014.

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  25. snowy (108 comments) says:

    Labour will find the Greens to be a millstone around their neck come the election

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