The drunk nine year old

January 9th, 2014 at 7:55 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

The man who filmed a drunk young boy at a skate park says he would not have released the video if police had acted hard and fast, and communicated that to him.

Bradley Goudie, 18, uploaded a video online which showed a nine-year-old boy at Fairfield Skate Park in Clarkin Rd on Tuesday afternoon with a can of Cody’s Bourbon and Cola – 7 per cent .

The boy, who struggles to stand and slurs his speech, says “I’ve been drunk before”. He also says he was given alcohol by his aunt.

Goudie, a professional scooter rider, said he was so shocked by the apparent drunkenness of the boy that he turned his camera on him and exposed what he considered one of the biggest issues in New Zealand – underage drinking.

Actually the proportion of people aged under 18 who drink has been dropping massively in the last few years. However this case is shocking and those who supplied him with the alcohol must be prosecuted and his custodial parent should probably lose custody. There is no way she could not know he is getting drunk.

Alcohol and Drug Assessment and Counselling clinical manager Roger Brooking said authorities needed to take action over the incident.

“The police should be called and that kid should be taken off his parents or whoever’s looking after him and be placed in the care of social welfare.”

He said whoever gave the boy alcohol should face criminal charges.

I agree. Sadly it is probably already too late for the kid. If you are getting drunk and possibly stoned at age nine, then it is an uphill battle.

Child Matters founder Anthea Simcock said a crime had been committed and appropriate action should be taken.

The boy had been returned to his mother, who police said was “extremely distraught” to find her son in such a state.

But the boy’s father, who the Times has chosen not to name, said he wants his son to live with him.

The man had been going through a custody battle with his former partner and hadn’t seen the boy in six months.

He said it was “heart-wrenching” to see the video of his son online yesterday. “What I want to do is get my kids and pick them up.”

Either the mother knew what was happening, or she has picked the wrong people to look after her son.

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66 Responses to “The drunk nine year old”

  1. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Did this story warrant lead item on NewstalkZB, commented on by a losing Labour polly? Seems this is going to be the norm all year, trying to get traction for the leeching left. Probably another example of a child bred for income with no parental control or care!

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  2. duggledog (1,362 comments) says:

    What I found interesting and slightly creepy was how One News lead with the story. It was hardly a story – “Maori Kid Gets Pissed At The Skate Park With His Brothers / Mates”

    This has been going on since Adam was a kid. There is the issue of parental irresponsibility but for goodness sake kids gets up to all sorts of mischief. The guy that filmed it was odd. There’s a career for him in investigative camera; Ambrose won’t be getting a lot of work these days!

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  3. Harriet (4,528 comments) says:

    How timely:

    From South Australian Senator Cory Bernardi’s new book “The Conservative Revolution.” that was released yesterday:

    “…..They are obviously dealing with a double load of responsibilities while having only half the resources. So all the pro-family organisations around have plenty of help and resources available for single parents and single families.

    So no one is bagging single parents here. They need our help. But the point that Cory, I and others are making is rather different. It has to do with public policy and the like. What are the ideal policies when it comes to families that governments should seek to implement here?

    It is one thing to find yourself a single parent through no fault of your own (because of the desertion of a spouse, the death of a spouse, etc). It is quite another thing to deliberately become a single mum, and deprive kids of one of the two most important people in their lives.

    If it is true that children thrive, generally speaking, in a married household with their own mother and father, then anyone who really loves children will seek to see that outcome replicated as much as possible. We should make it part of our social policy to encourage things so that as many children as possible are raised in this ideal environment – the “gold standard” as Bernardi calls the married, two-parent home.

    So Christians especially should not foolishly shoot the messenger here. What Bernardi is saying is 100 per cent correct. Any household – whether homosexual, or one with live-in boyfriends, etc. – should be at the very least frowned upon and not encouraged, given the very real impact such structures have on the wellbeing of children.

    South Australian Senator Cory Bernardi is a conservative who is not afraid to share his convictions in the public arena. For daring to do so, he of course becomes the object of huge doses of hate, derision and intolerance – mainly by those who shout ‘tolerance’ the loudest of course.

    He has just released a new book and predictably all hell is breaking loose. In the book The Conservative Revolution he courageously seeks to speak the truth. For example, he dares to speak against the slaughter of the unborn. He dares to be concerned about creeping sharia. He dares to want to see children protected by living with their own mother and father.

    http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2014/01/06/bernardi-families-sense-and-nonsense/

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  4. Mobile Michael (414 comments) says:

    9 year olds shouldn’t be given alcohol at all, not even a sip. Whoever thinks otherwise is not fit to care for children.

    But to then send them out to play unsupervised in that state is negligence beyond belief – just asking for them to be killed in an avcident caused by their impairment.

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  5. Judith (7,670 comments) says:

    Whilst I agree this is a shocking example, it does not necessarily follow that the mother was aware.

    I do not know the circumstances, but as no father has been mentioned, I am presuming she is a solo mother.

    Under current government regulations, and societal demands, solo mothers must seek work, especially if their children are school aged. Part-time employment simply does not provide sufficient income to support a family, and so many solo mothers must take on full time employment, which means they work during school holidays.

    Minimum wage does not pay sufficient to put children into child care at such times, so family members and friends are left to fill the gaps. In this case, clearly the family member was not mature enough to do the job properly.

    This is a sign of government policy, that whilst admirable and ‘sensible’, has a negative side. Some children will not get the supervision they need. If we are going to put demands on parents to be financially responsible (and we should do), then we need to make sure that the most important aspect, that of child welfare is covered from all aspects as well.

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  6. Longknives (4,470 comments) says:

    This kid is the new poster boy for ‘Child Poverty’ in New Zealand!
    Surely if we paid Mum even more on her DPB handout this wouldn’t have happened??
    I hope you taxpayers feel guilty- It’s all YOUR fault!
    (*Trying to think like a leftie this morning)

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  7. gazzmaniac (2,317 comments) says:

    Judith – the father is mentioned, and he is currently in a court battle to get custody. He hadn’t seen his kid in six months.
    I guess the only small positive is that he’ll probably get custody now.

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  8. Harriet (4,528 comments) says:

    “….9 year olds shouldn’t be given alcohol at all, not even a sip. Whoever thinks otherwise is not fit to care for children….”

    Are you serious?

    Most male doctors, police officers and lawyers give their sons a ‘sip of beer’ well before 9 – infact well before 5!

    There is nothing wrong with that. It is normal human behaviour. There is no risk involved at all. All doctors will admit that under oath. A father is a father and a son is a son. And a sip of beer is a sip of beer.

    wowser. :cool:

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  9. duggledog (1,362 comments) says:

    Judith didn’t you read the article? The father said ‘I haven’t seen the boy in six months’ at which point I thought ‘No shit’.

    BTW Seeking work doesn’t equate to working.

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  10. Nostalgia-NZ (4,914 comments) says:

    Disappointing to read about this and to see the video of the girl being beaten in Christchurch, what happened to people stepping in to help? Although in Hamilton it seems a number of people at least rang the police. I may have it wrong but there can’t be many people that would leave a nine year old to their own devices – unfortunately sounds like the makings of the ‘friendly’ teacher who ‘looked after’ boys in far north and got charged last year amidst buckets of tears as though he were the victim.

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  11. adamsmith1922 (888 comments) says:

    Where are all the lefty handwringers this morning?

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  12. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Judith

    read the story, read the newspapers, read socail media, the father was the first to comment yesterday.

    Then again you spouting off with 1/2 a story is normal. back at work are we using the firms bandwidth?

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  13. duggledog (1,362 comments) says:

    They can try and throw some consequences at the parents or whoever supplied the kid with Cody’s (why is it always Cody’s?) but whatever fines they get won’t be paid, any convictions will just be one more for the collection and the family is clearly already unstable so there’s no avenue of redress there either. Yeah fix that problem with CYF!

    A nine year old gets pissed. Not ideal but why is this news? Of equal concern perhaps is what is a professional scooter rider? F*** me…

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  14. Judith (7,670 comments) says:

    @ Pauleastbay (4,912 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 8:35 am

    Not that it is any of your business, but I am using my own bandwidth, what about you, who are you ripping off with your internet usage or are you just being sexist, presuming that females can’t be as gainfully employed as you are?

    Regarding the first part of your question, I read DPF’s account, and therefore the statement regarding the father, who was not mentioned in his writing.

    My comment still stands though, because there are many many children who are left in the care of others whilst their solo mothers work during school holidays.

    Good to see you are still playing ‘personalities’ though, nice to see you haven’t got rid of your bullying attitude over xmas. :-)

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  15. ManuT (36 comments) says:

    What a risky way to treat ones source of income and as for all that “bro” and “G” black American speak, time to cut television links to these places.

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  16. Hair Removal Specialist (74 comments) says:

    Judith, having only read half the story your claim that this is a sign of govt policy is utter crap. The government had no hand in giving this boy alcohol. The govt had no part in bringing the, apparently, unloved child into this world. This rest solely on the parents / guardians and to claim otherwise is offensive drivel.

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  17. Harriet (4,528 comments) says:

    “….Disappointing to read about this and to see the video of the girl being beaten in Christchurch,…”

    That video was discussed by the hosts on Nation Wide Talkback in Australia 2 nights ago.

    They said :

    “….those kids who post illegal activity on social media have then given up the right to be protected from the child/media/court laws. Their identity should be made public just like that of adults. It will soon put a stop to bullying….the rates of bullying have rocketed alongside that of social media….every parents no.1 complaint…”

    Every caller agreed.

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  18. Judith (7,670 comments) says:

    @ Hair Removal Specialist (46 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 8:42 am

    I didn’t say responsibility rested on anyone.
    But if we are going to demand that solo mothers work, we have to accept that this sort of thing can happen, and that she may not have been aware that the person she left her son with was so irresponsible.

    It’s pointless whinging about it – be offended all you like – fact is if we want parents out there working, then children are going to be left in situations that are less than ideal. That was my point.

    If we want children who are supervised solely by their parents, then we can’t have policies that make them work. It’s not a difficult concept to comprehend – have a go – I’m sure you’ll get it with a bit of brain power. I wasn’t advocating anything, simply making a point, god knows why you nat supporters are sooooo defensive – going to be a bit of a touchy year is it?

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  19. Albert_Ross (251 comments) says:

    I’m with duggledog – How does one get to be a professional scooter rider? Who pays you, and for what?

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  20. duggledog (1,362 comments) says:

    Professor Doug Sellman has just equated the drunk boy and this situation in NZ to child suicide bombers in Afghanistan on Radio Live, to the nodding encouragement of Wallis Chapman.

    Wallis is to take over Sunday mornings from Chris Laidlaw. I think I’m having a bad dream and I’ll wake up shortly…

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  21. Hair Removal Specialist (74 comments) says:

    Judith, you are clearly an apologist for crap parenting. Plain and simple, no need to dig any further than that.

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  22. Psycho Milt (2,269 comments) says:

    Where are all the lefty handwringers this morning?

    Can’t be arsed – as others have pointed out, this kind of thing’s been going on since time immemorial. The kid’s mother will be facing a bureaucratic and judicial nightmare this morning, and Doug Sellman will be telling us it’s all the fault of the government’s refusal to write wowserism into legislation. All BAU, really.

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  23. Harriet (4,528 comments) says:

    “….My comment still stands though, because there are many many children who are left in the care of others whilst their solo mothers work during school holidays….”

    Why on earth do you keep backing single mum status at your age Judith, and after years of working at the coal face of child misery?

    Sure, single mums and the daughters of single mums are not to be blamed if the daughter is sexually assaulted – but Norway’s study shows that girls from single mum homes have a chance of being 17 times MORE LIKELY to be sexually assaulted than those who live with their NATURAL FATHER.

    It’s probaly because they are put into the care of others so often that this occurs Judith!

    Society can’t get rid of rapists Judith – so why take the chance of putting girls into the care of others? Feminism? I fucken hope not Judith! :cool:

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  24. iMP (2,247 comments) says:

    If you watch the whole video to the end, you’ll meet the father or older brother or cuzzy bro of the boy, who – while drinking the same stuff the kid is – justifies the drinking of his 8 year old. And the attitude of the 8 year old changes, sayng “FK you” now that he’s staunch with his big bro beside him. This is the growing attitudinal underclass in NZ. Disrespectful, unlawful, arrogant, entitled, lazy and dragging themselves and our civil society and public safety down the toilet.

    Chch last two days:
    German backpacker attacked by 3 men.
    70 year old woman attacked and robbed by hospital.

    We all know who these mongrels are, but our society is wimping out and doing squat to fix this haemorraghing pile. We have little courage in parliament.

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  25. scrubone (3,050 comments) says:

    I got the impression that the child was in the care of an aunt during the daytime and it was that aunt that decided that the child should be allowed to get drunk.

    Which fits with previous cases of child abuse where what should be a support structure becomes the source of irresponsibility.

    It is entirely possible that the mother genuinely didn’t know what was going on – but that doesn’t mean she’s not at fault.

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  26. Harriet (4,528 comments) says:

    Very well said imp.

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  27. Hair Removal Specialist (74 comments) says:

    That was my reading too scrubone. Also, the kid has apparently gotten drunk and stoned before. The father also appears to have issues with the care arrangements.

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  28. Joanne (177 comments) says:

    NZ has a disproportionate of really bad parents. I have a niece who is the youngest of 8. 4 siblings on her mothers side and 3 siblings on her fathers side. Not ONE of those kids are full brothers and sisters and both parents bitch and moan about their sense of entitlement. Neither parent takes responsibility.

    I would like to see the stats on how successful parenting, anti-violence courses are.

    In the above article the mother needs to loose custody. The boy has to be at the the centre of focus, not the parents.

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  29. flipper (3,584 comments) says:

    In the context of the real world this is much -a-do about nothing out of the ordinary.

    In a way it is a follow-up to the Roastbusters….and the “public spirited” 18 year old was doing ” a public service”:…..and the media are simply “reporting” the facts. Garbage.

    It is no surprise, after Roastbusters, that Police are defensive, and trying to blame the messenger by claiming that the messenger “victimised” the silly, undisciplined 9 year old. What a pathetic assertion. Nicholls should be ashamed…but proud of his diversionary move. (but I agree with Duggles: A “professional” scooter rider. FFS)

    It is no surprise that APN, Fairfax and TVNZ have promoted the incident. It is part of their campaign against alcoholic beverages (probably based on a reduced advertising spend by those marketing such beverages).

    The real surprise is that silly dumbademics such as Sellman and Caswell, to name just two, have not been wheeled in to add their crap to a dung heap story.

    Judith, welcome back.
    But in saying that, m I regret to add that you are totally wrong by inferring that the present admini8stration has some responsibility for the behaviour of the 9 year old. If it really is true, as he claimed on the video clip, that he has been “pissed” before, then it is probably true that this is not a school holiday problem.

    I can recall, when at primary school, I helped myself to a dozen bottles of my fathers home brew. Along with several mates of similar age, (10-11) we got thoroughly sizzled at the beach where we hid in an old concrete gun emplacement. I tasted an axe handle on my backside for that little prank.

    So to sum it all up:
    Is the 9 year old silly? Yes.
    Is he blameless? No.
    Are others to blame? Yes and NO.
    Was it the first such incident? No
    Will there be others? Yes
    What can we do about it? Nothing,. because new laws, and holding miscreants to account will not change human nature. It will make self important busy bodies feel better.

    Here endeth the first lesson. :-)

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  30. wf (375 comments) says:

    No-one has mentioned the kid’s role in this. A 9 year-old is perfectly capable of helping himself to a tear -tab can of drink so why not a can of whatever the adults are drinking? And if it tastes good, and there is a good supply who could blame him?

    He might be one of those little kids who are a bit precocious and attention-seeking, and who regularly entertain their elders with their ‘adult’ behavior. We’ve all seen these kids, haven’t we?

    He might have been egged on by his mates, who seemed to be having a good laugh at his expense.

    And as for the (big) kid who shopped him – well that’s how you get results these days, put it on the net, and it will galvanize people into action. He thought what he saw was wrong, and acted according to his own values . Good for him.

    Hope the bros don’t give him the bash.

    And wouldn’t it be good if the family got sorted as a result?

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  31. flash2846 (172 comments) says:

    Joanne (30 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 9:18 am
    NZ has a disproportionate of really bad parents.

    No Joanne, New Zealand does NOT have a disproportionate of really bad parents, MAORI DO

    As long as we keep financing the Maori Gravy Train this crap and worse will continue.

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  32. Harriet (4,528 comments) says:

    “….The boy has to be at the the centre of focus, not the parents….”

    No. the parents need to be the center of focus as they are the parents. They set the example. They will need to be told that, as if they don’t sort out their problems then they will not be good examples, but bad ones.

    However I may be misreading what you are saying Joanne.

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  33. Pete George (22,866 comments) says:

    We all know who these mongrels are, but our society is wimping out and doing squat to fix this haemorraghing pile. We have little courage in parliament.

    What are you suggesting Parliament should do? Identify these “mongrels’ in advance and deport them, sterilise them, imprison them before they breed or do anything wrong?

    There are serious problems for sure, but there are no easy solutions. What if your attack on innocent people was deemed mongrel?

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  34. scrubone (3,050 comments) says:

    Pete George: I don’t agree with the language, but the I agree with the message.

    There are poor people, and then there are people who just don’t give a c$$p. Policy needs to separate the two.

    (Which is what annoys about most beneficiary policy debates, each side is usually talking about a different sub-group.)

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  35. nasska (10,689 comments) says:

    flash2846

    ….”As long as we keep financing the Maori Gravy Train this crap and worse will continue.”…..

    Catering to the wishes of the “Gimees” won’t make a blind bit of difference to the lot of these kids, one way or the other. Treaty settlements are for the exclusive benefit of the tribal elite & the final proof that the “trickle down” theory is a load of bollocks.

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  36. Pete George (22,866 comments) says:

    Agreeing with the message is one thing, coming up with solutions in a decent society is a lot harder.

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  37. Chuck Bird (4,686 comments) says:

    “Neither parent takes responsibility.”

    @Joanne

    You must know more than I about this case. It says in the paper the father has not been able to see the boy in the last six months. How is he responsible?

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  38. Reid (15,970 comments) says:

    What are you suggesting Parliament should do? Identify these “mongrels’ in advance and deport them, sterilise them, imprison them before they breed or do anything wrong?

    I don’t think iMP was suggesting it was a legal issue, he was suggesting it’s a leadership issue. And I agree.

    The attitude iMP refers to is now commonplace and it was evidenced in one of the last comments on the full length version of that video available on Whale, in which one of the adults said it was happening because there wasn’t enough support.

    That is the answer to everything, these days. And this is the fault of politicians since Lange none of whom have stood up and told Maori home truths such as the following:

    You don’t own the country, it’s not yours, it’s ours.

    You’re therefore not entitled to a lifetime of bludging and welfare and if you think you are you have another think coming.

    You need to take responsibility for your own actions which begat outcomes and stop complaining others are responsible for your own bad decisions. You are responsible for those, no-one else.

    etc.

    But none of our political leadership of any colour has ever had the guts or integrity to start saying those kinds of things, hence the lies around the marae enunciated by people like Hone for decades have taken root in people’s minds and resulted in the attitudes we have, which needless to say are not empowering they are disempowering.

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  39. duggledog (1,362 comments) says:

    True Nasska. How about a return to the concept of ‘the deserving poor’?

    The role of charity (welfare) has been taken over by central governments around the world and the results are shit, because the lumbering inefficient edifices that they create can’t see the wood for the trees.

    There’s a lovely old simple person up the road from me who I give a lift to and from the shops from time to time. The whole community does things for that person too. However the local shit head gets ignored by all and sundry. Everyone knows he’ll move on eventually, and if he died in a ditch nobody would really care.

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  40. Reid (15,970 comments) says:

    Treaty settlements are for the exclusive benefit of the tribal elite & the final proof that the “trickle down” theory is a load of bollocks.

    Dealing with the trickle down is easy or it should have been but it’s too late now. But all we would have had to do is say this settlement is conditional on the following agreed performance targets being met in this agreed timeframe. And performance includes such things as % of tribe currently in education, graduated from education, in jobs, not in prison, etc.

    If that doesn’t happen there is financial penalty on the personal wealth of the people who are managing the administration of the settlement.

    Simple. But there was no will to do that. Yet another failure of political leadership.

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  41. Dirty Rat (383 comments) says:

    After watching the full version….I reckon its a hoax

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  42. Joanne (177 comments) says:

    Flash

    I hate to burst your bubble but the case I’m referring to of my own adopted brother is pakeha. His partner is pakeha. Her family is pakeha and they are dodgy.

    I think you’ll find it’s not exclusive to Maori, accepting there is a major problem.

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  43. Longknives (4,470 comments) says:

    “of equal concern perhaps is what is a professional scooter rider? F*** me…”

    Where have you guys been? The Professional Scooter riding circuit is massive! It’s really taken off since Hopscotch and Four Square have been on the wane…
    Having said- It’s probably still not quite as big as the Professional Swingball circuit…

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  44. Pete Burdon (19 comments) says:

    The story was lead in most media because there is very little competition for news at this time of year.

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  45. ChardonnayGuy (1,136 comments) says:

    And if it emerges that the boy’s mother is actually *working* to support him and her other offspring and the guilty party is actually a dipshit member of her whanau? According to news reports, the mum entrusted ‘care’ to her drongo sister, the lad’s aunt, who’s the moron who gave him the booze in question. Which part of ‘it’s illegal to give nine year olds hard liquor, period’ didn’t *that* stupid woman understand?

    And it’s not only Maori who do this, for that matter. Is anypne familiar with the ghastly chav white trash* on “Jeremy Kyle” in the wee small hours? (* “I am an illiterate whingeing inadequate racist skinhead on heroin who’s just got out of prison for beating up a hard working South Asian shopkeeper and my wife won’t let me see our boys sob boo hoo wah”)

    And as a co-parent, I wouldn’t let booze in the house. My partner and my daughter is now attending med school @ Otago.

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  46. ChardonnayGuy (1,136 comments) says:

    As for the eighteen year old who posted the material on Youtube, good on him for showing some responsibility and exposing this sort of thing. It’s dangerous to give a kid access to that much alcohol. Eighteen cans? It’s a wonder the young chap wasn’t comatose, didn’t have an accident, or serious brain damage after drinking that much. I’d lock up the kid’s aunt in this context.

    As for his dad, I hope that he’s a fitter role model for the young bloke than his mum’s relatives. And by ‘fitter,’ I mean *not* drinking in front of the kid/s, coming home drunk, or having relatives or associates who *condone* that sort of behaviour. If the dad is a fit and responsible adult, I’d have no problems at all with shared or even exclusive custody in this case.

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  47. Longknives (4,470 comments) says:

    ChardonnayGuy- The kid fairly obviously hadn’t drunk eighteen cans. That was clearly his own bravado…

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  48. ChardonnayGuy (1,136 comments) says:

    Longknives: However much the kid had was still too much.

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  49. rouppe (918 comments) says:

    The father is in a custody battle with the mother. Given how skewed the family court is against men, if he is pushing that, then it says to me he knows the mother and her extended family are not reliable.

    The mother should know the attitude of the extended family, so the fact that she preferred to put the child into the care of the sister rather than the father suggests she is of a nasty disposition.

    The sister ought to be charged, and custody temporarily awarded to the father until the matter is investigated thoroughly.

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  50. ChardonnayGuy (1,136 comments) says:

    Hang on, rouppe. First, we need to find out whether the mother had no other choice than to give him to his relatives, given the cost of childcare. Then, the kid’s aunt gets charged and tried. Then, we need to see whether the kid’s dad is a fit and responsible parent, or more of the same. What if one or more of the kid’s previous drunken moments occurred when his folks were still together? There is still much that we don’t know about this story, other than the most basic details. As I said above, though, if the boy’s father is a fit and responsible parent and the mother has entrusted his care to his aunt before and *has* known that she was so manifestly irresponsible, then I see no objection to either shared or exclusive custody.

    And let’s do something about the cost of childcare in this country, for that matter.

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  51. ChardonnayGuy (1,136 comments) says:

    And how I wish my Jeremy Kyle episode summary *was* a fabrication. Unfortunately, the habituees of that programme make “Little Britain”‘s Vicky Pollard look literate and responsible by comparison…

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  52. Graeme Edgeler (3,267 comments) says:

    Dealing with the trickle down is easy or it should have been but it’s too late now. But all we would have had to do is say this settlement is conditional on the following agreed performance targets being met in this agreed timeframe. And performance includes such things as % of tribe currently in education, graduated from education, in jobs, not in prison, etc.

    If that doesn’t happen there is financial penalty on the personal wealth of the people who are managing the administration of the settlement.

    Reid – the settlements are not about getting Maori in education, etc. Something like what you are discussing may work with something like whanau ora.

    The settlements are because the government promised not to steal land off some people and then stole their land.

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  53. Tautaioleua (289 comments) says:

    Apparently the mother knew that her son was with friends at the skate park all day (she’s quoted by the press). This is obviously a form of daycare to her. She sits at home doing God knows what while her son gets up to everything under the sun (admitted to doing weed on the footage).

    This is a training ground for criminals. Local gangs will end up prying on this kid, and it will start with selling bud at school before escalating into much worse.

    Meanwhile, his so-called ‘parents’ are oblivious – he was at day care all day. We had no idea.

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  54. Prince (90 comments) says:

    I don’t believe the mother was unaware.
    If you have been around anyone who drank Bourbon and Cola during the day you are certainly aware they have been drinking. Can’t disguise the smell.

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  55. Reid (15,970 comments) says:

    Reid – the settlements are not about getting Maori in education, etc. Something like what you are discussing may work with something like whanau ora.

    Graeme you may have noticed I said “it should have been but it’s too late now.” Meaning in other words, that’s what we could have done but we didn’t. The reason why we didn’t I’m guessing, is because we didn’t want to be accused by Maori of being an Uncle Tom. However that doesn’t mean we couldn’t have done it if we’d wanted to. And it also means just because we were accused by Maori of being that, doesn’t mean we would have been so behaving, given that anyone who knows Maori history knows that they have a strong elitist culture and what has in fact happened with the top people buying expensive things and the bottom missing out completely, was therefore predictable and should have been dealt and one of the ways it could have been is by my suggested technique. also note we would have been accused of uncle tom behaviour by the very elite.

    The settlements are because the government promised not to steal land off some people and then stole their land.

    Yes and we’ve created another wrong by implementing a settlement process that hasn’t helped but simply exacerbated the situation by allowing the development of a sense of injustice and entitlement and allowing in most but not all settlements, the elite to take the cream and leave virtually nothing for the majority, which is the main driver for the sentiment amongst the majority that they still have something coming to them, which will surface with a vengeance in 40 years when the current generation of both the recipients and the have nots are all either dead or close to it and the taxpayers of those coming days are still unborn or in primary school today.

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  56. ManuT (36 comments) says:

    Graeme Edgeler (3,161 comments) says
    The settlements are because the government promised not to steal land off some people and then stole their land.

    What bollocks you fool. What ‘government’ stole land? this one?, the last one?, the ten before that? Why should good New Zealanders today have to pay bad New Zealanders for things that didn’t even happen to them?
    People like you are the reason why races in my country often find it hard to mix.

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  57. flash2846 (172 comments) says:

    Joanne (32 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 10:02 am
    Flash
    I hate to burst your bubble but the case I’m referring to of my own adopted brother is pakeha. His partner is pakeha. Her family is pakeha and they are dodgy.
    I think you’ll find it’s not exclusive to Maori, accepting there is a major problem.

    Thanks for coming out to play; here goes:
    Would you agree that rape is a male problem? I am betting Yes except some rapes are perpetrated by women.
    Therefore I stand by my opinion that child abuse is a Maori problem given that the race statistics are similar to those for rape.

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  58. Judith (7,670 comments) says:

    @ Harriet (3,372 comments) says:
    January 9th, 2014 at 9:00 am

    FFS Harriet, I’m not backing them. If you read my first message you will see I support the fact they are made to work. I was simply pointing out that when that happens, it is the kids that are going to suffer. Children need two parents, and at least one of them supervising them at all times, even when they are young adolescents. (if the parents can’t be there then they should be held responsible for what happens if they don’t leave them with the right people)

    I consider many of the problems we have with young children (pre adolescents are an increasing problem) is due to the lack of parental input – parents are either more concerned with earning money, or socialising, than they are in their children’s futures – futures which are determined by the level of input from the parents from birth.

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  59. duggledog (1,362 comments) says:

    Reid you’re exactly right. Graeme, what? I can’t believe you actually wrote that massively over simplified statement, of all people. It is generally understood now that some injustices were done, but a hell of a lot of injustice wasn’t done at all. Maori were no fools in the 1800s / 1900s; they sold land in good faith and sometimes they went and sold it again and again.

    It’s too bad and far too late if the ‘taonga’ they sold turned out to be much more valuable than they thought it was, once the men of science, technology and hard work got their hands on it and developed it years later. (For the general benefit of ALL New Zealanders by the way).

    The unfortunate meme that has now taken root (thanks to Hadfield & others) in the young and disenfranchised Maori (of which there are many) is that ‘whitey stole our land and he is the root of all our problems’ which is almost understandable in the uneducated… but not you old chap!

    And that ‘meme’ legitimizes a great deal of the anti social behaviour we see young Maori engaging in more and more these days.

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  60. Psycho Milt (2,269 comments) says:

    What ‘government’ stole land?

    I’m no expert in this area, but I’m going to go out on a limb here and say ‘The New Zealand government.’

    this one?, the last one?, the ten before that?

    Many of them, but it’s not really a relevant question, given that ‘the NZ government’ is a continuous legal entity.

    Why should good New Zealanders today have to pay bad New Zealanders for things that didn’t even happen to them?

    Because turnover of personnel doesn’t invalidate a contract. How hard can that possibly be to grasp?

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  61. Graeme Edgeler (3,267 comments) says:

    Apparently the mother knew that her son was with friends at the skate park all day (she’s quoted by the press). This is obviously a form of daycare to her. She sits at home doing God knows what while her son gets up to everything under the sun (admitted to doing weed on the footage).

    Going out for the whole day is what kids used to do. “Get out and be back by dinner!” Political correctness gone mad.

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  62. Graeme Edgeler (3,267 comments) says:

    they sold land in good faith and sometimes they went and sold it again and again.

    That some land was sold by Maori in good faith does not mean that no land was stolen.

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  63. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Have any of you ever been to Fairfield? It’s like a cross between Mogadishu and Detroit. I’d drink if I lived there.

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  64. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Anyway, there’s nothing else for kids there to do there until they’re old enough to prospect for the Mongrel Mob.

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  65. Left Right and Centre (2,823 comments) says:

    Joanne – if you going to talk using honky lingo – then use honky lingo. Use hori lingo if you’re talking in hori.

    Honky or hori. If you’re using hori – use hori words. If you’re talking in honky – use honky words.

    In honky talk – I’m a white fella. Or a honky. Or twink inked. Or caucasian. Or so help me ‘European NZder’ even.

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  66. Paul Marsden (986 comments) says:

    Give me the boy at seven and I’ll show you the man. Look no further as to why the NZ prison populace is predominately Maori.

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