Whale under attack

January 29th, 2014 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

NBR reports:

Cam Slater’s Whaleoil site was offline early this afternoon after being swamped by a denial-of-service attack (which sees a malicious hacker buy space on a network of hijacked PCs to send an avalanche of connection requests that overwhelm a website’s capacity).

“It’s a DoS attack, originating in New Zealand,” Mr Slater told NBR.

The site went down several times last night under DoS attack, then was taken offline completely at around 8am this morning.

The controversial blogger has no shortage of enemies. He named a couple of people covered by recent Whaleoil stories whom he thought could be responsible for today’s attack – but you’ll have to wait until his site goes back online to read those (so far) unsubstantiated allegations.

“I have also been getting death threats via text and on Facebook,” Mr Slater told NBR. 

The cellphone and Facebook threats do not seem to be related to the DoS attack; it’s just a particularly bad day at the Whaleoil office.

“I have notified police, especially [over] the text messages,” Mr Slater said.

The death threats are bad enough, but the threats against Cam’s children are so far beyond the pale that I hope those responsible are getting visited by the Police.

The DOS attacks are probably unrelated, but obviously are arranged by someone who thinks that a site that says something you disagree with should be closed down.

Hopefully will be back online in the near future.

 

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345 Responses to “Whale under attack”

  1. Manolo (13,327 comments) says:

    Freedom of expression as understood by some from the Left.

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  2. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    The gutless left know no bounds when it comes to trying to stifle anything of value. Like their mentors, Cunliffe and Norman, not one of them has any abilities, other than leech off those that that they constantly malign and envy.

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  3. thePeoplesFlag (170 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  4. KiwiGreg (3,169 comments) says:

    It only confuses the people if they hear mixed messages. This is why the state should control the media.

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  5. radvad (661 comments) says:

    Karma for what?
    You obviously agree with censorship of speech and website banning. I wonder what karma awaits you, idiot.

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  6. Daniel (170 comments) says:

    Interesting, I wonder if there are any Internet Moguls that Cam has pissed off, someone who has the resources or contacts to launch a DOS attack and isn’t concerned about breaking IT laws to do it. Perhaps one that tried to breach the Whaleoil site’s security recently but was unsuccessful so had to resort to blunter means. No particular name comes to mind.

    Then again it could be Labour don’t think Cam pays enough tax so they decided to ban him from the internet, as per their policy.

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  7. OneTrack (2,575 comments) says:

    “You obviously agree with censorship of speech and website banning.”

    All left wingers do in some shape or form. They are just following in the examples of their heroes – Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.

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  9. peterwn (3,144 comments) says:

    My speculation – perhaps the bot army being used to attack Whale was assembled via the Yahoo Xtra attacks, and they are still recruiting. My missus yesterday evening got a email allegedly from Telecom (complete with logo) saying her account had been locked (she uses Gmail anyway), etc. Her email address was harvested from a friend’s Xtra list. Perhaps she was a few clicks away from joining the attack against Whale.

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  10. J Mex (184 comments) says:

    Labour flexing their It muscles in election year?

    This makes sense that, by extension, “The [Opposition] Government should always have in its back pocket the ability to ban websites,”

    ;)

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  11. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    radvad (572 comments) says:

    January 29th, 2014 at 7:27 am
    Karma for what?

    Are you serious!

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  12. OneTrack (2,575 comments) says:

    “Are you serious!”

    Exactly. All those unapproved ideas that Whale publishes. All these stories that the msm compliantly bury following a call from Lefty Central that Whale covers. Of course the left had to respond – in the ways that they usually do.

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  13. peterwn (3,144 comments) says:

    The horrid thought occurred to me that if Whale’s site could be disabled like that for so long, then elections could be trashed in a similar manner if there was internet voting. So perhaps the cautious attitude by officialdom is warranted. It seems to me that the internet voting portals need to have several times the capacity than usually required. Seems to that local elections also need to be via high capacity portals and not ordinary Council servers.

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  17. hj (6,342 comments) says:

    The DOS attacks are probably unrelated, but obviously are arranged by someone who thinks that a site that says something you disagree with should be closed down.
    …………………………
    How many people have the basic knowlege to do this sort of thing? Where do they aquire their knowlege?

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  18. alloytoo (431 comments) says:

    There are three candidates (to my mind)

    Len Brown
    Labour (lets ban it) Party
    Kim Dotcom.

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  19. Nostalgia-NZ (4,898 comments) says:

    I don’t know how ‘unspecified allegations’ become the Labour Party, or why Labour or any of the other parties would involve themselves in something of this nature. Be interesting to see if the ‘threats’ are substantiated in anyway, they weren’t in the Brown/Pelino matter but still liberally suggested – seems like a persistent theme. The only thing I’ve seen published was on KB yesterday where Slater was described as a four letter word and that residents of a certain South Island town were ‘blood thirsty’ or something similar.

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  20. OneTrack (2,575 comments) says:

    “Hey, doesnt the right always advocate tough sentencing and no second chances.”

    WTF – Yes, the right does tend to advocate tougher sentencing. But what “crime” has Whale committed? Upsetting lefties? Thought crimes against the state (aka Labour and the Greens)? Oh no, send him to the gulag.

    Or in the hard-lefts minds, are no charges necessary? Lavrenti would be proud of you.

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  21. ExtremeRightisright (23 comments) says:

    Awww hell, i really cant be bothered spending the morning down at the dole office. God- the hoops you have to jump through to get my well deserved handouts. Cheers Kiwibloggers for ya taxpayers dollars.

    This comment is protected by freedom of expression.

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  22. OneTrack (2,575 comments) says:

    “or why Labour or any of the other parties would involve themselves in something of this nature. ”

    Green supporters already have form for destroying election hoardings. Whats the next step?

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  23. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    I did see a lot of the vitriol and outright hatred posted on Cam’s Facebook page from a group of people on the West Coast of the South Island. This was following on from a comment made on Whaleoil relating to the death of a young man who was the last surviving brother of 4, one of whom was killed at Pike River. Some of Cam’s comments were pretty blunt, and on reflection, I wonder if he could not have exercised a little more tact. (From Cam, yes, he’s done it before! It’s not unheard of!)

    What wound me up though was the way so many people were going on about the community on the coast. Surely a truly strong community would look after each other, not wipe each other out by crashing in to a house driving at 140 k in a 50 k area! If you are in a strong community, and you know that in your car you have the last of four brothers, you should drive in such a manner as to ensure that brother survives. A strong community should be so 24/7, not just in a time of tragedy. To the family of these 4 brothers, I offer my most sincere condolences. To the West Coast Community, I sense your frustration and your passion. Please direct it where it will do the most good, to your own community, and not to a throw away comment from a Blogger in Auckland, and do somthing to ensure this does not happen again!

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  24. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    “Serves him right. Guy’s a fuckwit.”

    There are few things I dislike more than those who seek to remove freedom of expression. They are the most dangerous elements in our society. Every single tyrant sicko sadistic nut job on the planet exhibits this behaviour with no exceptions. They are mean and nasty control freaks.

    People like Scott Chris are more dangerous to our society than most of those locked up in our prisons.

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  25. radvad (661 comments) says:

    This is going to put Whale’s traffic through the roof once he is up and running again.

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  26. ExtremeRightisright (23 comments) says:

    ‘WTF – Yes, the right does tend to advocate tougher sentencing’

    Yeah, especially for maoris and islanders aye. Keep em locked up for good, no excuse for offending is there! ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE- no matter how many times they were beaten and hung out on the washing line and biffed in the dryer.

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  27. Andrew M (43 comments) says:

    I blame Reddit, they’re taking action for the constant reposts of their linked material.

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  28. Ashley Schaeffer (404 comments) says:

    Scott Chris (5,551 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 7:51 am
    Serves him right. Guy’s a fuckwit.

    So you are condoning death threats?

    ExtremeRightisright (11 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 7:59 am
    Awww hell, i really cant be bothered spending the morning down at the dole office. God- the hoops you have to jump through to get my well deserved handouts. Cheers Kiwibloggers for ya taxpayers dollars.

    Come on, if that’s your best trolling, you might as well just pack up and leave now. You need to up your game.

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  29. ExtremeRightisright (23 comments) says:

    ‘Surely a truly strong community.’ Right of way is Way of Right

    WTF, i thought right winger dont believe in community, we are all just individuals living out a social darwinist existence with no responsibility to anyone but ourselves and our spouse and offspring.

    Strong community- sounds like a closet commie to me!

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  30. ExtremeRightisright (23 comments) says:

    Ashley Schaeffer

    You do realise im a good for nothing aimless beneficiary. I have all day and all week to troll here! Dont tempt me!

    Vote ACT!!! Keeping the working class in their place!!!

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  31. Keeping Stock (10,092 comments) says:

    Scott Chris said

    Serves him right. Guy’s a fuckwit.

    That justifies a threat to gang-rape his 15yo daughter, does it Scott?

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  32. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Ashley Schaeffer, yes Scott Chris is condoning death threats and threats to gang rape his daughter.

    Never under estimate the sadistic nature of those sort. All they require is opportunity to have power over others, and the abuse starts as their true nature is revealed.

    No matter where we sit on the political spectrum all decent minded people should strongly oppose attempts to shut down or restrict freedom of expression.

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  33. ExtremeRightisright (23 comments) says:

    @ Kea

    Your right!

    Move aside ‘Beast of Blenheim’!

    Now we have Scott Chris – The beast of Kiwiblog!

    Lock him up for exercising his freedom of speech by criticizing freedom of speech. LOL

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  34. alex Masterley (1,490 comments) says:

    Read some of the comments on Whales facebook page last night.

    He has a knack of pissing people off.

    I think his description of the deceased was over the top, but so too are the reactions. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    Threats such as those alluded to by KS @8.13 should not be tolerated whatever you think of the person who is being threatened.

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  35. Brian Marshall (187 comments) says:

    Alloytoo listed his list of suspects. I can add another couple. Cam had an interesting post about how scoop’s traffic was something like 90% from India and Pakistan sources that is inflating their ratings, the other day.
    Also DPF, how far would you go to get back to number 1 NZ blog?

    Seriously though, I hope the person responsible is caught and seriously dealt too, this is denial of freedom of speech.

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  36. Elaycee (4,297 comments) says:

    Cameron Slater has the same right as the rest of us, to express an opinion. And all of us have the right to respond / to criticise what he says / to support it / or to simply let it go through to the ‘keeper.

    But the gutless morons who threatened his kids, have totally crossed the line. Regardless of their age, gender, political persuasion, motivation, these stalks have ventured into a total ‘no-go’ area and I really hope they get a ‘tap tap tap’ on the door from Mr Plod and that they have to face the consequences of their actions.

    As a high profile blogger and media commentator, Slater is fair game. But not his kids. Never.

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  37. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    ExtremeRightisright, no I encourage people like Scott Chris to let it all out for the rest of us to see.

    So far we have learnt threats to kill Cam and gang rape his daughter

    Serves him right

    and it is only 8:19am

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  38. Ashley Schaeffer (404 comments) says:

    ExtremeRightisright (14 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 8:13 am

    Ashley Schaeffer

    You do realise im a good for nothing aimless beneficiary. I have all day and all week to troll here! Dont tempt me!

    Vote ACT!!! Keeping the working class in their place!!!

    You’re coming across as a caricature and not a very interesting one at that. I hope trolling gives you sense of purpose in life.

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  39. pcplod (24 comments) says:

    ExtremeRightisright;

    I’m glad you feel the way you do because we have some young maori looking for childcare work. How about you giving them some work? Let them look after YOUR children.

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  40. Yoza (1,523 comments) says:

    Slater brought this on himself and his family with his arrogant slagging off of another family’s tragedy. What an idiot, perhaps next time the fool will think before releasing his bile on a public forum.

    The guy, as Scott Chris points out, is a fuck wit.

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  41. ExtremeRightisright (23 comments) says:

    You’re coming across as a caricature and not a very interesting one at that. I hope trolling gives you sense of purpose in life.

    It certainly does!

    I get paid $250 a week, free healthcare and education for it too!

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  42. Dave Mann (1,168 comments) says:

    However much they took offence, I can’t see a bunch of Coasters getting it together to take this action, frankly – especially as they were already gathering on FB and spouting off there. Also, this atack is incredibly sustained; typically DDOS attacks last for a few hours only before they are rendered inoperative, but Cam has been down for more a couple of days and shows no sign yet of coming back.

    Ditto Len Brown. That affair was huge, but its largely passe now….

    But Herr Dotcom is altogether another story. He has had his political ambitions ridiculed and exposed for all to see, together with leaks of the names of the major players and what’s more Dotcom certainly has the knowhow and recources (as well as the motivation) to do this. If you can organise the humungous web server operation needed to host one of the biggest cloud services in the world, then flicking a DDOS at Whale should be child’s play.

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  43. ExtremeRightisright (23 comments) says:

    pcplod

    No, im smart. Never having children, thankfully!

    Or maybe i should. Gee, WINZ case workers will be climbing over themselves to give me handouts if i do.

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  44. redqueen (452 comments) says:

    The issue here is not about freedom of speech or leftist idiocy. The motivations of people, in this case, are almost irrelevant to the crime, the crime is wilful damage to property. Someone decided to damage property (in this case, network / server infrastructure and the relevant communication capability) of WhaleOil. Repeated attempts to blame motive, while important to understand whether someone is likely to have done it, does not change the actual harm caused. What will be nice is for the Police to find the bastard(s) involved and charge (and convict) them of the crime(s) they’ve committed. If this was specifically proposed / sanctioned by anyone else, then you’ve got conspiracy to add to that / them.

    But to blame a nebulous ‘left’ for this seems a bit OTT and assigns motive (I’m sure the Labour Party and Greens are hardly saddened by any of this) as guilt is nonsense. The point is that crimes have (apparently) been committed and we should look forward, potentially with a hint of glee, at the perpetrators being brought to justice. If we find that this was motivated by politics (which is highly probable) then I’m sure we will all rejoice at pointing out how scummy the left can be and how their ideology of intolerance and faux freedom is all to blame (when it’s done by the right, I’m sure we’ll prefer to lay silent). But until then, can we concentrate on the actual crime, rather than just blaming a broad-specrum of silliness?

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  45. ExtremeRightisright (23 comments) says:

    ACT and National Front- possible coalition partners. Perfect foot soldiers for the Upper middle class. Base the Skinheads pad in Epsom and send them on regular search and destroy missions in South Auckland!

    Rodney Hide even looks the part!

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  46. Alan (1,055 comments) says:

    For anyone that is interested in such things, a 10k botnet can be rented for US$200 a day, that’d be plenty to bring down a small site like whaleoil, either by classic DDOS or by smashing it’s authoritative DNS.

    I’m not sure how he can say the attack “originates” in NZ. NZ has one of the lowest levels of infection anywhere in the world. It’s almost certain the vast bulk of traffic is coming from offshore. The controlling servers for such things are normally in places like Belarus or Moldova.

    I’ve worked through DDOS attacks, the likelihood that its arranged by someone that disagrees with him is very small, it’s likely that they are a straightforward shakedown for cash. I’d imagine a demand for about $5k in cash to be transferred to a western union office in a location with dubious legal structure will be happening soon.

    Strangely the last couple I’ve seen all wanted the cash sent to Serb controlled areas of Bosnia

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  47. Ashley Schaeffer (404 comments) says:

    I can understand the lefties around here justifying the DOS attacks, but if you aren’t speaking out against the death threats and rape threats then I really can’t find the words to express how repugnant I find you. You really are losing any moral authority you think you may have to comment on any issue around this place.

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  48. ExtremeRightisright (23 comments) says:

    Keep calm and have faith in the Syrian Arab Army!

    Peace

    Signing out

    Troll

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  49. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Yoza (1,142 comments) says:

    January 29th, 2014 at 8:26 am
    Slater brought this on himself and his family

    This folks is why I believe so strongly in freedom of expression. When we allow it we get to see how people really think. Yoza is a frequent commentor on KB holding himself up as a humanist. Because David Farrar allows him freedom of expression (which is not allowed at the Standard) we see his true nature revealed.

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  50. Ashley Schaeffer (404 comments) says:

    ExtremeRightisright (18 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 8:26 am

    It certainly does!

    I get paid $250 a week, free healthcare and education for it too!

    You’re welcome.

    ExtremeRightisright (18 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 8:28 am
    pcplod

    No, im smart. Never having children, thankfully!

    We are all thankful for that.

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  51. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    Threats aside, provoke people long enough and you will get a reaction – We’ve all seen it.

    Is there any evidence that the people making the threats are the ones who have taken his blog down?

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  52. thePeoplesFlag (170 comments) says:

    Let’s all accuse someone on the basis of no evidence whatsoever, eh Dave Mann?

    DDoS attacks are simple to organise if you know how and for a few tens of dollars easy to maintain.

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  53. Keeping Stock (10,092 comments) says:

    @ Yoza – please can I clarify, on behalf of all the fuckwits in the world. Because we are fuckwits, our children are fair game for threats of gang rape; is that what you’re saying?

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  54. Keeping Stock (10,092 comments) says:

    @ ciaron – I suspect that the two links of attack are coincidental. There’s a level of sophistication and intent in the DDOS attack that leads one to suspect that someone with technical knowledge and significant resources is behind it. Take your pick as to who that may be.

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  55. deadrightkev (273 comments) says:

    I logged onto WO twice and just an error. Its chilling when you have something that represents reasonably free speech (even when Cam can be a nasty shit at times) taken away.

    Its a pointer to what it would be like under a Labour/Greens/Winston First regime. We know even socialist National would never go quite that far. Scary stuff.

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  56. alex Masterley (1,490 comments) says:

    KS, that was my thought as well.
    Yoza showing his/her/it’s true colours.

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  57. stephen2d (62 comments) says:

    Really Alan? Share some details of the scam you have been exposed to?

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  58. slightlyrighty (2,496 comments) says:

    As to who the culprit might be, and given that the offence is punishable by a lengthy term in prison, and Kim Dotcom’s interesting legal status, he would be stupid to carry out such an attack, would he?

    But then Scoop.co.nz has been embarrassed by Slater of late, by being shown to be quite closely linked to the Internet Party and apparently fudging its’ own traffic figures in order to potentially charge more for advertising revenue. I wouldn’t put the attack down to what is happening down on the West Coast, and the death threats are not likely to be connected in any way.

    Sorry DPF, but when Whaleoil gets back, it may well be required reading. It will be very interesting to find out which nerve he’s touched……

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  59. nickb (3,658 comments) says:

    Alan – fascinating post.

    Internet pirates after a ransom?

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  60. Dave Mann (1,168 comments) says:

    For anyone that is interested in such things, a 10k botnet can be rented for US$200 a day… etc… etc

    Thats interesting Alan…. thanks for your insight. Its great to hear from somebody with firsthand experience and the technical knowledge. Good one! (Makes my assertion about Dotcom’s abilities redundant, but hey, I’m not an expert hahahaha)

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  61. Elaycee (4,297 comments) says:

    ExtremeRightisright…

    No, im smart. Never having children…

    And for that, we are truly grateful.

    EDIT: @Ashley Schaeffer: Snap! :)

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  62. Simon (680 comments) says:

    Nothing justifies death threats.

    Death threats and the attitudes of the left towards the threats illustrates the backdrop of all left wing theory is violence against the individual.

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  63. david (2,531 comments) says:

    To my mind it is unlikely that this is an act of revenge for if it is, the damage has already been done to the perpetrator (although a certain large German with a broken foot might be motivated after his farcical entry to the formal political scene was fatally damaged by Cam).

    More likely is that someone has got wind of Whale being the vehicle for a future damning expose and is trying for a pre-emptive strike.

    Immediately the mind goes to Len Brown’s team who seem to have unlimited funds to spend protecting the mayoral incumbent’s personal issues, the motivation to take action (their livelihoods are at stake), and the low rat-cunning required.

    Of course you could not rule out Bevan’s family who , one would assume, have lost a heap of face over the last 6 months.

    But then again it would not surprise me that there is more than one project in the works at Whaleoil that have the capacity to cause deep future embarrassment to individuals and organisations who are currently operating under the radar.

    Like others, I would hope that the perpetrators can be publically identified. Perhaps the world’s best sysop can offer some guidance, after all he might be next.

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  64. thor42 (903 comments) says:

    It’s bound to be a lefty or lefties.

    Sites like Red Alert and the Stranded are awful but do you see right-wingers DOSing those sites? No.
    Such is the hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy of the left. They can’t defend their position with reasoned and logical debate so they resort to abuse and DOS attacks.

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  65. jakejakejake (134 comments) says:

    He deserves it all and more. Disgusting how he played the victim role after some light trolling from the mentally ill D4J about his mother dying while pissing on the graves of so many others.

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  66. alex Masterley (1,490 comments) says:

    Jake,
    You think death threats and threats of gang rape are justified then?

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  67. Nostalgia-NZ (4,898 comments) says:

    Keepingstock. Nobody is condoning any threats, I’m in fact sceptical about the authenticity of those claims because such claims seem to be stock in trade in the past. However, as the police have been informed we should all be confident that part of things will be resolved. The rest of it seems mercenary and the product of anger and intemperate language that appeals to the extremes. It’s looks bloody odd to be adversely commenting about a grieving family who did suffer a tragedy while on the other hand publicly claiming threats in a manner which give details to the public they don’t need to know of a family in Auckland. There is something revealed here about traditional media compared to the excesses of the internet that includes language and suggestions that would not have been misplaced in 17th century Salem. I’m a little surprised you are getting emotionally drawn in.

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  68. nickb (3,658 comments) says:

    Jake – that was proved to be someone impersonating D4J.

    His comments were crass but completely accurate given the responses.

    Greymouth.

    Gets called feral.

    Gets upset. Does not believe they are feral.

    Responds to insulter with threats of murder and gang rape of children…..

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  69. Nostalgia-NZ (4,898 comments) says:

    David 8.49. Shutting down a website temporarily is going to stop any new revelations about Brown or anybody else, try keeping things in context.

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  70. BlairM (2,286 comments) says:

    Nobody comes out of this looking good. Slagging off a dead passenger in a car is pretty low. But the hysterical overreacting from Coasters needs to be put in check too. They took it personally, even though it wasn’t about them, or Coasters in general. Some of them need to get over themselves.

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  71. Nostalgia-NZ (4,898 comments) says:

    Where are these threats nickb? And if they have been reported as they should, are we giving up on letting the police do their jobs?

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  72. scrubone (3,044 comments) says:

    Where are these threats nickb? And if they have been reported as they should, are we giving up on letting the police do their jobs?

    Answers: On Facebook. No, we’re commenting on the news, as always.

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  73. Paulus (2,493 comments) says:

    Have considered it – Not Labour Party – I do not believe they would actually do it – in addition they do not have the intelligence.

    Brown’s team aided and abetted by KimCrim and his associates – they are rich enough and clever enough.

    Possibly funded by Auckland Mayor’s slush fund.

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  74. Jimbo (40 comments) says:

    Given that whaleoil has a track record of manufacturing news – authoring threats to himself regarding the Len Brown affair; uploading Eleanor Catton’s book to Mega then complaining about it – I think some healthy scepticism should be displayed regarding the source of the threats.

    And surely, DPF, you might have something to say regarding the utter tastelessness of whaleoil’s comments on the brother of the Pike River victim?

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  75. Jaffa (80 comments) says:

    DOS attacks, identity fraud, viruses, trojans, worms, etc.

    There are millions of very”clever” people working hard the destroy the internet.

    When they finally succeed, and they are standing in line at the bank, pink withdrawal slip in hand, so they can walk down the road to pay their power bill, I hope they are very happy with themselves!

    Playing games will be all their computer will be good for!

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  76. G152 (141 comments) says:

    Prime suspect Krim dot con. He has a history.

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  77. Alan (1,055 comments) says:

    @KS “There’s a level of sophistication and intent in the DDOS attack that leads one to suspect that someone with technical knowledge and significant resources is behind it. Take your pick as to who that may be.”

    Can I ask that you justify this statement because it seems to be utter crap to me?

    Here’s an article about how easy it is to hire a DDOS attack. (http://www.webroot.com/blog/2012/06/06/ddos-for-hire-services-offering-to-take-down-your-competitors-web-sites-going-mainstream/).

    As you can see it required no technical knowledge or significant resources. It requires a ill will and a couple of bitcoins. Nothing more.

    In the dim distant past of 10 years ago, computer viruses were written by kids to prove how smart they were. Not any more. Now they are written for profit. A good computer virus is designed to be invisible to the infected user. The aim is to allow the writer to route traffic via the infected system, these are called zombie systems. There are people with control of 100,000s of infected systems.

    These systems are used for two main purposes, sending spam (bypassing source filtering) or commercial DDOS. A well run botnet can earn you > US$200k a month. Some of the bigger ones are pulling millions. Organised crime is involved, particularly in eastern europe.

    In the past I’ve worked through this with people under attack, I’ll name no names to protect the innocent, but it can get very ugly. I know a gambling business that was taken down 2 days before the melbourne cup as an example.

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  78. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    I did see a lot of the vitriol and outright hatred posted on Cam’s Facebook page from a group of people on the West Coast of the South Island. This was following on from a comment made on Whaleoil relating to the death of a young man who was the last surviving brother of 4, one of whom was killed at Pike River. Some of Cam’s comments were pretty blunt, and on reflection, I wonder if he could not have exercised a little more tact. (From Cam, yes, he’s done it before! It’s not unheard of!)

    (1) There’s the rough and tumble of online political discussion, but Slater often goes well beyond that into personal attacks, as in this case.

    (2) Slater has said publicly on numerous occasions that he is an internet hard man and there are no holds barred. Well, he’s being shown what that means today. He shouldn’t be surprised to take some heat for comments that were totally beyond the pale.

    (3) Only an idiot tries to piss people off to that degree. Making fun of someone’s dead relative is not a prudent endeavour.

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  79. Yoza (1,523 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock (9,513 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 8:37 am

    @ Yoza – please can I clarify, on behalf of all the fuckwits in the world. Because we are fuckwits, our children are fair game for threats of gang rape; is that what you’re saying?

    Nice try. Slater posts an odious comment that has the predictable consequence of eliciting an extreme reaction then whines like a little weasel when such a reaction occurs. It is you people who are celebrating the gang rape threat as if this is some form of justification to retrospectively sanitise Slater’s original disgusting outburst.

    And, no, threats against children are not ok.

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  80. david (2,531 comments) says:

    Just curious, does anyone know who is behind the website whaleoil.com?

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  81. Keeping Stock (10,092 comments) says:

    @ Nostalgia – if you read some of the FB threats, they refer to his home address, specifically name members of his family, and contain some pretty vile stuff. The rape threat is particularly vile IMHO. I don’t agree with what WO wrote at the weekend, especially given subsequent reports as to the other tragedies the family has suffered. But threats to kill, and to gang-rape his daughter are an absolute over-reaction. They certainly don’t honour the memory of the young man who died at the weekend.

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  82. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    As a high profile blogger and media commentator, Slater is fair game. But not his kids. Never.

    Slater has said himself that no holds are barred, and that his personal hero is Genghis Khan. This is what such an attitude looks like when applied to him.

    If someone had made these threats to David Farrar, I would be genuinely appalled. However much I disagree with Farrar, he doesn’t take low blows, and doesn’t stoop to the kind of vicious personal attacks Slater does.

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  83. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    @ Nostalgia – if you read some of the FB threats, they refer to his home address, specifically name members of his family, and contain some pretty vile stuff. The rape threat is particularly vile IMHO. I don’t agree with what WO wrote at the weekend, especially given subsequent reports as to the other tragedies the family has suffered. But threats to kill, and to gang-rape his daughter are an absolute over-reaction.

    Really? Slater has said in various public fora that absolutely anything is fair game to beat a political opponent. Why then should we listen to his complaints about this?

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  84. flipper (3,537 comments) says:

    It seems to me that some folks are just plain silly, while others, new on the block, invent all sorts of garbage about Whale.

    On some issues I think Whale is away with the fairies, is manipulated by vested interests, and in need of guidance.
    On some I think he nails them correctly.
    On many I think he leads the chasing pack, treads where they fear to tread, and does a great public service.

    So with all that in mind it pisses me off that someone like Jimbo makes assertions that are just bullshit…,and well he knows it.

    On the other hand, Nosty-NZ raises valid points – they were not criticisms – that need to be seen through by Police. The Whale will stand exposed as a bullshitter if the claims are baseless.

    It is important that Police do a PROPER (not a Helen Clark snow) job, because there are nutters in ” progressive” left wing circles – really serious boneheads that would stop at nothing to get Whale.

    Deserved in the minds of some? Sadly, yes, but they are sick..

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  85. Keeping Stock (10,092 comments) says:

    Jimbo said

    Given that whaleoil has a track record of manufacturing news – authoring threats to himself regarding the Len Brown affair; uploading Eleanor Catton’s book to Mega then complaining about it – I think some healthy scepticism should be displayed regarding the source of the threats.

    You have proof of those allegations Jimbo?

    As for the authenticity of the threats, most of them have been made on Facebook, non-anonymously. Are you suggesting that Slater spent all yesterday setting up fake Facebook identities to threaten himself with? The person making the gang rape threat has been on FB since at least 2012.

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  86. Nostalgia-NZ (4,898 comments) says:

    Totally agree KS.

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  87. infused (636 comments) says:

    You can buy ‘dos’ services for very cheap. However, his host must be shit. Could move the site to a new IP address and get around it that way. Or shove cloud flare in front of it, or buy more bandwidth.

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  88. Keeping Stock (10,092 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson said

    Really? Slater has said in various public fora that absolutely anything is fair game to beat a political opponent. Why then should we listen to his complaints about this?

    Do you seriously believe what you just wrote Tom? If you think a threat of rape against a minor is acceptable, I’d suggest that your moral compass needs realignment. How would you feel if someone wrote this about one of your children?

    ***** Slater come to the coast we’ll coastbust u put u on the block and all have turns Cameron Slater u watch

    (Christian name redacted)

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  89. burt (7,793 comments) says:

    infused

    Move it to a new IP address to get around it …. Yeah, that will stop the attack – for about 1.73 seconds ….

    You should refrain from talking about things you clearly have no understanding of.

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  90. Sponge (141 comments) says:

    Jimbo,

    Just because his brother died at Pike River does not make him a saint. While what Cameron said (and I have not seen it as the site is down) may have been massivley offensive the resultant outpouring from those commenting on his Facebook page has shown an applying lack of intellect. It really makes me wonder what is happening with their upbringing and education over there. I have seen a pre school teacher calling him a “F@#$ING C@#$ and wishing him dead (among many other posts). Would you want someone who is teaching your preschooler to be carrying on like that? Also the inability to spell and write coherent sentences is just mind boggling.

    What sort of judgement are these people being taught? I think their response in fact prove just how feral they are.

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  91. burt (7,793 comments) says:

    infused

    Buy more bandwidth …. Right … let the DOS attack get even stronger – stop it … stop blathering on about things you don’t understand.

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  92. Rich Prick (1,538 comments) says:

    Scott Chris, Yoza, Tom Jackson et el, thanks for confirming my view of lefties. In your minds threats aginst Slater’s children are perfectly fine simply because of who their father is. How North Korean, and yes I do refer to recent reports from there.

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  93. pcplod (24 comments) says:

    ExtremeRightisright (19 comments) says:

    pcplod

    No, im smart. Never having children, thankfully!
    (Have you tried Viagra?)

    Or maybe i should. Gee, WINZ case workers will be climbing over themselves to give me handouts if i do.
    (You mean MORE handouts don’t you?)

    Finished giving yourself a handjob yet?

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  94. jackinabox (555 comments) says:

    “Nothing justifies death threats.”

    Death threats are a form of self-defence. To persuade an aggressor to stop a behaviour that a victim considers a threat to his personal safety, IE their mental or physical wellbeing, a death threat is justified.

    31 SECTION 48 of the Crimes Act 1961 provides:
    Everyone is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.
    This defence recognises that people have a right to defend themselves against violence or threats of violence, so long as the force used is no more than is reasonable for that purpose. The law does not require people to wait until they have been attacked before taking action to protect themselves.

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  95. gump (1,474 comments) says:

    There’s a lot of hysteria in this thread. Nobody has removed Cameron’s freedom of expression. They’ve merely broken his megaphone.

    Putting the death threats to one side (as there’s no evidence they’re linked to the DDOS) I find this entire situation hilarious.

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  96. Elaycee (4,297 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson (9.32am):

    Slater has said himself that no holds are barred, and that his personal hero is Genghis Khan. This is what such an attitude looks like when applied to him.

    Sure – Slater’s rules are that no holds are barred. I accept that. But not when shit is directed at his kids.

    For example, I happen to dislike David Cunliffe and the things he stands for. He is fair game. So is any politician. But I would be (similarly) appalled if some moron made threats against Cunliffe’s kids. Because they’re not ‘part of the game’ so to speak. The same applies for Slater. He is big enough and ugly enough to take shit and hand it back, but his kids should always be ‘off limits’.

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  97. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    I checked out Cam’s Facebook yesterday. Not all of the angry mob currently reside in the West Coast. Some were in Australia (for example). Anyway, someone had set up a FB account called Cam Smells. They had posted a screenshot and comments that indicated to me they were savvy enough to be behind the DoS attack.
    It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that a West Coaster (with all the exciting things to do in Greymouth) could be a hacker, maybe just a ‘script kiddie’, but not impossible they could (for example) be a member of anonymous.

    It seems Cam made an insensitive post about a guy that died in a car crash (I didn’t see the post). I think he’s made himself fair game for getting abuse back. Fair game.

    Death threats are too far, the comments about his daughter are too far, interfering with his website and business is too far. All of these things are illegal and anyone who thinks they are ok because it’s Cameron Slater they’re happening to is being unprincipled.

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  98. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    KS,

    I don’t for one second think the threats reported against Cam’s family are accepable or justified (and I don’t think Tom Jackson does either), but when someone (in essence) says “the gloves are off”, surley they must expect the same in return?

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  99. slightlyrighty (2,496 comments) says:

    So, Jackinabox, is threatening to gang rape Slater’s 15 year old daughter and kill slater a reasonable response to a comment on the internet?

    Did Cameron Slater actually do anything that would would make these threats justifiable on the grounds of reasonable force?

    How do you define reasonable?

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  100. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    @infused “You can buy ‘dos’ services for very cheap. However, his host must be shit. ”

    It seems his host is Linode but he was somehow relying on Cloudflare to get around the DoS attack. It’s not a great endorsement for either. having said that I think he might have tried to implement Cloudflare after the attack started.
    The ‘Cam Smells’ poster said:

    Cam Smells linode doesnt have ddos protection its a VPS provider its up the user, but hes trying to cheap out by using cloudflare to protect his site it wont work

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  101. Keeping Stock (10,092 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee – couldn’t agree more. As recently as last week, I was criticising Graham McCready for prosecuting Len Brown’s wife; then commending him for admitting he had erred. Politicians’ families are off limits as far as I am concerned, and in the same manner, making a threat against someone’s daughter as a way of getting at them is cowardly, and totally unacceptable.

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  102. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    gump

    Putting the death threats to one side (as there’s no evidence they’re linked to the DDOS) I find this entire situation hilarious.

    Absolutely hilarious, those ferals really got wound up didn’t they? If they live to be old they’ll be talking about this like it was their glory days. It probably is.
    That comment about putting Cam’s daughter on the block, wow that was a real knee slapper.

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  103. jackinabox (555 comments) says:

    “So, Jackinabox, is threatening to gang rape Slater’s 15 year old daughter and kill slater a reasonable response to a comment on the internet?

    Did Cameron Slater actually do anything that would would make these threats justifiable on the grounds of reasonable force?

    How do you define reasonable?”

    Na, someone said, “Nothing justifies death threats.” and I disagreed. I said nothing about rape or 15 year olds so go bite your bum slightlyrighty.

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  104. itstricky (1,537 comments) says:

    You’d have to say he has reaped what he has sown. Although I don’t agree with the threats I think it’s -very- rich of him to play the sympathy card – you’d have to go back and look at all you’ve done and say to yourself – well maybe I pissed a few people off. Perhaps I shouldn’t have done that. Kind of like the school yard bully who finally gets his comeuppance.

    He is not a journalist; mearly a guy who likes to mouth-off innuendo, rumor and malicious intent. The “feral” reference is by no means the first, or worst. And it’s all come home to roost.

    Not sure what he’s going to do with the police. Some sort of thing along the line of:

    WO: Please Mummy, please can you pull some favours at your work?
    JC: Well, I’ve told you once Cameron, I’ve told you twice you should stop annoying people.
    WO: But Mummy, you told me to annoy them. In fact you gave me some of the tidbits and egged me on. Please can you pull some strings at work?
    JC: Well Cameron, I’ll see what I can do…

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  105. Jimbo (40 comments) says:

    Take a deep breath people:

    Here are the things we know:

    - Cameron Slater made a disgusting comment for which very few commenters here seem to want to call him to account;
    - There are some angry (and justified comments) on facebook from identified persons upset about Cameron Slater’s comments.
    - Cameron Slater is making threats involving weapons;
    - Cameron Slater makes stories up – do your own research on how The Luminaries ended up on Mega; read Hamish Price’s excellent takedown of the Len Brown story.

    Here is one thing we don’t know:
    - Who’s behind the serious (and anonymous) comments on Facebook. I’m not saying anything here; I’m just suggesting that people should keep an open mind on it and address the things we do know.

    1. If identified people are making serious threats to Cameron Slater then they should be called to account.
    2. Cameron Slater should be called to account as he makes loathsome comments and poisons the political atmosphere.
    3. Cameron Slater should be called to account for making stories up.

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  106. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    itstricky :”You’d have to say he has reaped what he has sown. Although I don’t agree with the threats I think it’s -very- rich of him to play the sympathy card”

    So it’s ok for me to say to you: “I don’t like much of what you say, I’m going to track you down, kill you, gang-rape any female relatives you might have, shut your work down and deprive you of income. And don’t even think about playing the sympathy card, you deserve it.”

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  107. itstricky (1,537 comments) says:

    If someone had made these threats to David Farrar, I would be genuinely appalled. However much I disagree with Farrar, he doesn’t take low blows, and doesn’t stoop to the kind of vicious personal attacks Slater does.

    Exactly Tom, exactly.

    Check out his quote in The Herald:

    What we’ve got here is a basic, locked-down, watertight case of cyber-bullying where I’ve had something like 200 people attack me on Facebook

    Hillarious – the bully calls out being bullied. It’s like school yard antics. Hardly Genghis Khan like, is it?

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  108. Nookin (3,033 comments) says:

    Cameron made up the bit about Brown and his dolly? Gee, he fooled a lot of people — including Len himself – Len even believed it.

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  109. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    ‘Politicians’ families are off limits as far as I am concerned, ‘

    Unfortunately, no ones families are off limits to politicians

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  110. tas (591 comments) says:

    It looks like whale has set up DoS protection with CloudFlare, but the attackers are bypassing it and attacking his server directly. Presumably whale needs to change the server’s IP address and ensure that his server doesn’t respond to packets that don’t come from CloudFlare’s servers or his home address.

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  111. david (2,531 comments) says:

    KS, I was a little uncomfortable at your consideration of Brown’s wife as “family off limits” when she was patently involved and possibly complicit in the hotel rooms saga. How do you consider that is different from the Crown case against the wife of the skipper of the Easy Rider? She is of course a director of the company that owned the boat.

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  112. itstricky (1,537 comments) says:

    So it’s ok for me to say to you:

    No. As per other commentators I’ve said – threats are rank BUT he would have had to expect some sort of retaliation if he had any sort of moral bones in his body. Surely he didn’t think he could just go on, as is, for ever. There is a definitive difference between this blog and WO. You’d probably be quite severely ideologically blinded if you couldn’t see that.

    To play his own sympathy card is like the school yard bully lying on the ground and crying “please please don’t hit me anymore I’m so so sorry”. Hopefully this causes some introspection on his behalf.

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  113. big bruv (13,217 comments) says:

    Slater does some very good work, however, while one could look upon him as a person who is the enemy of my enemy and therefore my friend I like to think that the right is not as beset by that stupid mindset.

    As previously mentioned some of Slater’s work is first class, I have no issue at all with his wish to expose corruption at all levels or his on-going attack on polies of all colours.

    Where I draw the line is attacking people who have suffered a tragedy, yes the young men might have been driving far too quick however there was no need at all to go on the attack as Slater has done.

    Clearly Slater is an attention freak, he likes to upset people and loves the attention. People far better qualified than me might be able to diagnose this as some sort of mental illness. He is also a gun freak who thinks that arming all people would make society a safer place, as the USA proves time and time again this is a ridiculous notion.

    As for the treats, while they are indeed something that should be followed up by the Police I do think that Slater should have taken some of his own advice and just hardened up, to me this sounds like another way to attract attention to himself.

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  114. 3-coil (1,200 comments) says:

    So hypocritical West Coasters are okay when a Labour Prime Minister calls them “feral inbreds” but get all pissy with WhaleOil – they seem to be very selective about when they take offence at a comment. No one forced any of them to go and read his website, if they are offended they should just stay away from it.

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  115. jackinabox (555 comments) says:

    “Grey District Mayor Tony Kokshoorn told Radio New Zealand that Mr Slater had it coming.

    “What goes around comes around, and if you want to be that insensitive – make disgraceful comments about a young lad that’s a passenger in the back seat of a car, who’s left behind parents that have lost four children now in accidents over the years – he deserves all the slandering he’s going to get.”

    Mr Kokshoorn agreed the death threats were “uncalled for”.

    “There’s no question about that, but the trouble is, when you raise the emotions of people, these are the types of things that happen.

    “Cameron should have thought about this, he’s a mature person … If you’re going to make insensitive comments like that, you are welcoming all types of tough remarks back. So what goes around does come around.”

    Mr Kokshoorn added two wrongs did not make a right.

    “It’s very uncalled for, both comments – but his comments started this whole thing. To say that this young lad, who was a passenger in a back seat of a car, is feral and won’t be missed, I think is disgraceful.

    “If he’s got any brains at all, Cameron should kill this whole subject by just saying one word, sorry, and let’s get on with life.”

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  116. gump (1,474 comments) says:

    @RightNow

    “Absolutely hilarious, those ferals really got wound up didn’t they? If they live to be old they’ll be talking about this like it was their glory days. It probably is.
    That comment about putting Cam’s daughter on the block, wow that was a real knee slapper.”

    —————————–

    I find the DDOS to be hilarious, not the death threats.

    But since you want to talk about it – Can has used has bully pulpit to make a number of disgusting and appalling comments about victims of crime who have featured in the media. None of his comments were particularly funny or clever.

    Live by the sword, die by the sword.

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  117. dog_eat_dog (743 comments) says:

    I think I would respect Whale if he came out and said “You know what, that’s probably taking things a bit too far. Sorry about that.”

    This isn’t a political game and there are no points at play so if he thinks he made a cock-up, it would be kind of a giant fuck you to people out there who keep accusing him of having no standards. But that’s up to Cam.

    Even if I personally think he overstepped the mark, ‘feral’ is the only word to describe the idiots threatening him. Even if Cam apologises to the friends and family of the young guy who was killed, I hope he keeps the police involved and the people abusing him on his Facebook page are subjected to whatever the current laws are around making online threats.

    They’re the real pond-scum.

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  118. Barnsley Bill (974 comments) says:

    There are two distinctly different things going on here.
    How many of us can genuinely feel any sympathy for another bunch of drunken morons taking themselves out behind the wheel of a car driving like they are in GTA. Cam reacted in his typical insensitive, boorish and hurtful manner and has upset some people that seem determined to prove him right. It has now gone too far as it often does when you poke sticks at people with no idea how to behave like grown ups.

    The second thing is the attack on his website.
    I don’t believe it is linked to his attack on the lad who died from making stupid choices. It is much more likely that after a couple of years of attacking somebody who has made a fortune from ripping people off through illegal use of the internet and then making the same twat look an even bigger fool by exposing his childlike attempts to avoid extradition by way of entering politics he has finally got a reaction. And a fairly massive reaction it is too.

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  119. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    @itstricky, as I said earlier “I think he’s made himself fair game for getting abuse back.”

    Now I can understand that you and a few others are getting a stiffy because Cam’s getting his beans, but to me you just seem like hypocrites.

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  120. stephieboy (2,154 comments) says:

    If Whale Oil deserves an accolade that would have to be not leaving his logic and commonsense behind him and buy into David Bain and his deluded supporters.
    Also as it turns out the shenanigans of Len Brown did amount to something really serious, thanks to Cameron.
    But it looks as though he may of erred down on the West Coast.

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  121. Concerned (36 comments) says:

    Cam’s comments have made even some of his most loyal supporters cringe a bit. “Feral” is probably just Cam, no worse probably (at least in his mind) than other broadly derogatory terms such as “Red Neck”, “Retard”, or “Degenerate”. But the rest of his comment alluding to the boy’s death as a satisfactory outcome risks putting Cam in the same space as some of the people he and we criticize for extreme rhetoric. In the end it adds little.

    Sadly, going too far over the top risks detracting from the very valuable and much needed contribution Whaleoil makes in other more important sectors. He’s got the floor. Let’s hope he will not dilute the sizable goodwill he has accumulated.

    The denial of service attack may or may not be related. It more logically comes from some of the Whale’s other, much more deserving recent targets. Let’s hope that proves to be the case.

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  122. gump (1,474 comments) says:

    @Barnsley Bill

    “How many of us can genuinely feel any sympathy for another bunch of drunken morons taking themselves out behind the wheel of a car driving like they are in GTA.”

    ——————-

    The fellow that died in Greymouth was a passenger in the back seat. He’s a victim of the driver’s poor decision making and terrible driving.

    Calling the deceased a “drunken moron” just puts you on the same level as Cameron. Please show some respect.

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  123. Concerned (36 comments) says:

    Cam’s comments have made even some of his most loyal supporters cringe a bit. “Feral” is probably just Cam, no worse probably (at least in his mind) than other broadly derogatory terms such as “Red Neck”, “Retard”, or “Degenerate”. But the rest of his comment alluding to the boy’s death as a satisfactory outcome risks putting Cam in the same space as some of the people he and we criticize for extreme rhetoric. In the end it adds little.

    Sadly, going too far over the top risks detracting from the very valuable and much needed contribution Whaleoil makes in other more important sectors. He’s got the floor. Let’s hope he will not dilute the sizable goodwill he has accumulated.

    The denial of service attack may or may not be related. It more logically comes from some of the Whale’s other, much more deserving, recent targets. Let’s hope that proves to be the case.

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  124. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    @gump “I find the DDOS to be hilarious, not the death threats.”

    Oh well that’s fine then. Tell me, is that because it deprives him of his income, or his platform for his freedom of speech, or is it both? Do any of you lefties support real freedom of speech? Or would you prefer only ‘approved’ speech be allowed.

    “Live by the sword, die by the sword.”

    In this case “live by the trolling, die by the trolling”, I hope none of them actually try to carry their threats out.

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  125. itstricky (1,537 comments) says:

    Now I can understand that you and a few others

    Meh, whatever. Hypocrite? That word gets trotted out lots, means absolutely nothing to me in this circumstance.

    There are certain rules in society. If I walked out on the street and screamed at a random stranger “You’re f’ing ugly” because I seceretly thought he was ugly then I would *expect* to get one right in the mouth and have twenty teeth knocked out. Same thing if I said to a family who lost a child “he was a feral and no one will miss him”… what would you expect to happen? Some people believe The Internet allows them to say whatever they want. That is not true. That is all.

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  126. johnwellingtonwells (121 comments) says:

    Solution to Whale under attack – bring in the Sea Shepard

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  127. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    RightNow (6,032 comments) says:

    January 29th, 2014 at 10:44 am
    @gump “I find the DDOS to be hilarious, not the death threats.”

    Oh well that’s fine then. Tell me, is that because it deprives him of his income, or his platform for his freedom of speech, or is it both?

    I find it a little funny, because I can remeber an incident regarding the security of a classroom blog where Cam offered his services to make it more secure.

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  128. Scott Hamilton (279 comments) says:

    On Monday this blog ran a guest post defending the dictator of Fiji, who systematically curtails the rights of journalists, academics, and opposition politicians in his country. Cameron Slater has been effusive in his praise of Bainimarama for years, and has mocked journalists like Michael Field who have been attacked by Fiji’s government. Let’s hope the attack on Whale Oil leads Slater to rethink his support for repression of free speech overseas.
    http://readingthemaps.blogspot.co.nz/2014/01/from-hoxha-to-bainimarama.html

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  129. beautox (430 comments) says:

    Regardless of the rights or wrongs, I find this fucking hilarious. Whale didn’t seem to realize that if you have the power to publicly humiliate and anger people you disagree with on “NZ’s Most Read Blog” then you are engaging in a “unfair fight”. Cam can pretty much say what he wants, lies and all, and his barmy “whale army’ will back him up. Someone thus maligned has no way to strike back.

    Like countless others who have been faced with an enemy who wants to fight unfairly, his enemies reckon it’s OK to fight dirty because whale started it. And I have to say that they have a point.

    As I said, fucking hilarious.

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  130. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    “I find it a little funny, because I can remeber an incident regarding the security of a classroom blog where Cam offered his services to make it more secure.”

    Actually yeah, that is a little funny.

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  131. gump (1,474 comments) says:

    @RightNow

    “Oh well that’s fine then. Tell me, is that because it deprives him of his income, or his platform for his freedom of speech, or is it both? Do any of you lefties support real freedom of speech? Or would you prefer only ‘approved’ speech be allowed.”

    ———————

    Cameron is free to speak. Nobody has impinged on his right of expression.

    The only thing that has happened here is that somebody has turned up with a bigger megaphone and Cameron is being drowned out by his opponents.

    I’ve been to public meetings where speakers have been drowned out by the booing from a hostile crowd. The same thing is happening to Cameron and it is hilarious.

    P.S. I don’t know why you think I’m a “leftie”. I voted for National & Act at the last general election – as did most of the Epsom electorate.

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  132. Mark (1,360 comments) says:

    Why is there a presumption this attack is from the “Left”? Whenever I have read Slaters column he seems to be equally as happy to piss people off from the right or left depending on what stupid things he considers they may have done.

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  133. itstricky (1,537 comments) says:

    Oh well that’s fine then. Tell me, is that because it deprives him of his income, or his platform for his freedom of speech, or is it both? Do any of you lefties support real freedom of speech? Or would you prefer only ‘approved’ speech be allowed.

    He called them “ferals”, they started calling him names in retaliation. Is that not the ultimate in “freedom of speech”?

    Can’t get much freer than that unless we start drawing pistols at dawn. Stone age stuff. (que Manolo).

    The Internet does not allow you to just mouth off crap whenever you feel like it without fear of retaliation. It’s just another medium, like every other since the stone age. Hence the birth of journalistic integrity. Yes, that equates to “considered” public speech.

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  134. jackinabox (555 comments) says:

    “Like countless others who have been faced with an enemy who wants to fight unfairly, his enemies reckon it’s OK to fight dirty because whale started it. And I have to say that they have a point.”

    Reminds me of Weco and the Murrah building.

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  135. thePeoplesFlag (170 comments) says:

    So Cam has finally be taken down, and it is a bunch of West Coasters who did it?

    NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!

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  136. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    @itstricky, I’m not against the free speech, which includes what you and I are saying here, and the retaliatory comments made to Slater. I’m against the action of shutting down his website which is not only his main platform to speak from but also his source of income.

    @gump, same as what I just said to itstricky, but sorry for calling you a leftie.

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  137. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    A leftie writes:

    “Putting the death threats to one side … I find this entire situation hilarious.”

    Does Gump put gang-rape threats to his daughter aside too ? He forgot to say among all the hilarity !

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  138. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    @kea, you need to read further, gump is not a leftie.

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  139. Keeping Stock (10,092 comments) says:

    @ David – Gloria Davis is an ordinary citizen, who may or may not have a degree of criminal responsibility for the fate of the Easy Rider; the Court will decide that.

    McCready’s prosecution of Brown though is politically motivated. Brown is an elected official, and what McCready alleges is that he has abused his ratepayer-funded role. His wife is not elected, and apart from accompanying the Mayor on official duties is not paid by ratepayers or the state. Using her as a conduit to attack Brown politically was beyond the pale as far as I was concerned, and to his credit McCready admitted that he had erred in trying to prosecute her.

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  140. LesleyNZ (20 comments) says:

    The Whale has annoyed someone by telling it as it is and telling the truth. Now let’s think – who has been outed by the Whale recently? Hmmmm – I can think of a few. These few will need to come out publically and deny that they have had anything to do with this attack or we will consider them all to be guilty until proven innocent. Truth always wins in the end.

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  141. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    I’m against the action of shutting down his website which is not only his main platform to speak from but also his source of income.

    Maybe he should keep that in mind in future.

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  142. slightlyrighty (2,496 comments) says:

    I do find it quite ironic that a lot of the hostile reaction to being labelled as “ferals” is, in itself, quite feral.

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  143. LesleyNZ (20 comments) says:

    Grey District Mayor Tony Kokshoorn has a few problems down there on the West Coast. This latest tragedy has highlighted a big problem with the younger generation there (although these young people were in their mid twenties). Whether we like it or not the Whale’s post is going to bring about in-depth discussion concerning the social problems of our young which as we all know – are getting out of hand.

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  144. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    ciaron (1,068 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 11:18 am

    I’m against the action of shutting down his website which is not only his main platform to speak from but also his source of income.

    Maybe he should keep that in mind in future.

    He is entitled to the protection of the law in this instance. A crime has been committed against him.

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  145. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    gump>The fellow that died in Greymouth was a passenger in the back seat. He’s a victim of the driver’s poor decision making and terrible driving.

    So if he asked the driver to stop and let him out and the driver refused, then I’d say the driver (who survived) should be charged with murder.

    But if he didn’t ask the driver to stop and let him out then the driver should be charged with manslaughter, but you can hardly regard the dead guy as a victim since he took no action to protect himself from a drunken criminal. (The portrayal of him as a victim is already a bit tenuous because he got in to the car with a drunk driver… You have to take some responsibility for your own safety.)

    So it’ll be interesting to find out from the driver if he was asked to stop or not.

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  146. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    He is entitled to the protection of the law in this instance. A crime has been committed against him.

    Aye, but his hands aren’t exactly clean are they? In fact, one could say of the death/rape threats that had he chosen his words a bit better, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

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  147. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    “RightNow (6,038 comments) says:

    January 29th, 2014 at 11:16 am
    @kea, you need to read further, gump is not a leftie.

    Thanks for the tip. The point still stands.

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  148. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    So it’ll be interesting to find out from the driver if he was asked to stop or not. It’ll also be interesting to hear what the front seat passenger says.

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  149. Liberty (233 comments) says:

    Lets get this the feral comment into perspective.
    Cam suggested one person was a bit feral and is now being accused of insensitivity.
    With totally unacceptable postings on WO Face book etc.
    Clark called the west coast electorate all 50,000plus of them “Feral and inbred” What happened. Next to nothing, The spineless leftie media did as they have always did when it came to one of Clarks scandals and there was a lot of them, crawl under a rock.

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  150. stephieboy (2,154 comments) says:

    “Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties.”

    Areopagitica; A speech of Mr. John Milton for the Liberty of Unlicenc’d Printing, to the Parlament of England is a famous 1644 prose polemical tract.

    Milton’s tract paved the way for the establishment and a reminder of the vital importance of a free press.

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  151. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    davidp:

    (The portrayal of him as a victim is already a bit tenuous because he got in to the car with a drunk driver… You have to take some responsibility for your own safety.)

    You would also have though the fact one of his siblings was killed by a drunk driver would have made him wary.

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  152. gump (1,474 comments) says:

    @davidp

    “But if he didn’t ask the driver to stop and let him out then the driver should be charged with manslaughter, but you can hardly regard the dead guy as a victim since he took no action to protect himself from a drunken criminal.”

    ————————–

    It has been reported that the car crash occurred within 10 seconds after the Police started to chase the vehicle.

    Are you seriously suggesting the victim should be held accountable because he couldn’t make the driver stop during the ten seconds before the crash?

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  153. mikemikemikemike (301 comments) says:

    Live by the sword, die by the sword. Don’t expect to make so many enemies and not be tarnished yourself. He targets many children (by calling them ferals, etc.etc.) with some pretty terrible comments. Unless something is actually done against him then they are just words. Bad words maybe, but just words.

    I for one like Cameron, but its a bit like the bully getting a punch in the nose and running to tell the teacher really isn’t it?

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  154. jackinabox (555 comments) says:

    “It has been reported that the car crash occurred within 10 seconds after the Police started to chase the vehicle.’

    LOL Usually the crash occurs 10 seconds AFTER the cops give up the chase.

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  155. david (2,531 comments) says:

    @Keeping Stock 11:16am, your point is well made.
    I suppose my biggest mistake was to assume that McCready had sufficient evidence that Ms Inglis was complicit in acts that have been described as corrupt.
    Now I have not read the EY report so am basing my position on assumption and would have been happy to allow the case to play out. Also the Attorney General is required to approve private prosecutions for corruption and I would have relied on that filtering process to rule out a situation where the evidence was not sufficiently robust.
    Still because my knowledge is limited on the detail I would not give her a free pass just because of who she is married to.
    cheers

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  156. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    gump>It has been reported that the car crash occurred within 10 seconds after the Police started to chase the vehicle.

    You’d need to define “started to chase”. The dead man could have avoided getting in to a car with a drunk driver. Then presumably the driver was doing something to attract the attention of the police (although it is always possible there was a checkpoint stopping all vehicles). So unless the police pounced as soon as they were pulling out of a car park, there was a period when the driver was either speeding or swerving all over the road in a way that attracted attention. I’m guessing that the police would have pulled in behind the vehicle and turned their lights on to signal that the driver should stop. Pulling in behind the vehicle would have taken some time for the police to pull out of their parked position or turn if they were on the move at the time, and then some more time for the police to catch up with the driver. It still isn’t a “chase” at this point. The chase comes when the driver ignores the flashing lights and doesn’t just continue driving as before, but accelerates away AND the police accelerate in pursuit.

    All of which takes a lot longer than 10 seconds. Even accelerating to 140km/hr and crashing in to a building is pushing 10 seconds, unless you were already traveling at high speed.

    There was plenty of opportunity for the dead man to have protected his own life. He isn’t a victim… Just someone who made a lot of bad decisions one after another. That’s tough on his parents, but plenty of people die through their own stupidity and we don’t call them victims.

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  157. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    ciaron

    In fact, one could say of the death/rape threats that had he chosen his words a bit better, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

    One could say that a woman might not have been raped if she’d been sober or not wearing a miniskirt or not been out at night.

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  158. doggone7 (677 comments) says:

    slightlyrighty: “How do you define reasonable?”

    Cameron Slater does what he does for fun. He has the luxury of determining what is ‘reasonable’ in his own forum and because of that the rest of the world. His own defined limits are past what many would think ‘reasonable.’

    Someone else is exercising within what they see as reasonable. Their boundaries are different than his (and mine) and may even be illegal.

    We are fortunate to live in a civilised country compared to many places where differences are lived out in daily on-going violence. Here, at present, thankfully, the pen (keyboard) is the weapon of choice. It is no surprise that the finely controlled method and outlook of Slater on his blog would not be the modus operandi of all. He thinks anything is fair game and it’s just fun. Others apparently have the same outlook but different methods of expression. Reasonable?

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  159. jackinabox (555 comments) says:

    “There was plenty of opportunity for the dead man to have protected his own life. He isn’t a victim… Just someone who made a lot of bad decisions one after another. That’s tough on his parents, but plenty of people die through their own stupidity and we don’t call them victims.”

    Or he was even more pissed than the driver and was passed out on the back seat and unaware that his life was in danger.

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  160. Barnsley Bill (974 comments) says:

    KS, your naivety is breathtaking. Brown and his wife should both be in the dock. Laundering freebies and backhanders through his wife makes her a fair target for court action.

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  161. gump (1,474 comments) says:

    @jackinabox

    ““There was plenty of opportunity for the dead man to have protected his own life. He isn’t a victim… ”

    ———————

    It isn’t possible to make that assessment based on what has been reported.

    Your commentary on the victims actions (or lack of action) is simply speculation.

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  162. Chuck Bird (4,667 comments) says:

    I am no fan of Slater and considering his comments about someone recently deceased I would not worry about the DOS attack or even the death threat against him but a threat to rape an innocent young girl is truly deplorable. I hope the police find out who did it. If the person who made the treat was a close relation of the deceased then they should be still punished but Slater’s actions be taken into account in their sentence.

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  163. DJP6-25 (1,268 comments) says:

    I hope Whale is up and running again soon, and the culprit is found and punished.

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  164. scrubone (3,044 comments) says:

    In fact, one could say of the death/rape threats that had he chosen his words a bit better, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

    One could also argue that the death threats prove that his words were well chosen. Frankly, even if someone is mean to you, that’s no excuse to threaten them, or their family. And from the sounds of it, these threats are from a great many people, who just chose to take offense.

    Does Whale deserve a stiff response? Yes. Does he deserve death threats? No.

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  165. kowtow (7,584 comments) says:

    Said with stage Oirish accent:

    “Whale oi’ll be fooked”

    Well and truly by the loooook of it!

    Di di diddle di di dum dum.

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  166. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    One could say that a woman might not have been raped if she’d been sober or not wearing a miniskirt or not been out at night.

    Yes, one could. We had the discussion on risk awareness and prudence some weeks ago.

    Edit: I think you’re analogy is somewhat stretched.

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  167. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    scrubone (2,952 comments) says:

    January 29th, 2014 at 12:47 pm
    One could also argue that the death threats prove that his words were well chosen

    What possible reason can you give to justify the comments that started this all off? I know Cam makes a living out of being provocative, but what was actually to be gained here? Honestly, it sounds like some people here consider winding up bereved folk to be good sport…

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  168. thor42 (903 comments) says:

    On the technical side, I’d say it’s time for Cam to look for an ISP that is either FreeBSD or OpenBSD-based and that uses “pf” (packetfilter – one of the very best firewalls out there).

    http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/index.html

    http://jasonk2600.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/quickie-howto-basic-denial-of-service-protection-using-pf/

    http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Fighting-DDOS-attacks-with-pf-td5735632.html

    http://thehardsell.wordpress.com/2008/12/17/avoiding-ddos-the-pf-way/

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  169. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    ciaron:
    One could say that a woman might not have been raped if she’d been sober or not wearing a miniskirt or not been out at night.

    Yes, one could. We had the discussion on risk awareness and prudence some weeks ago.

    Edit: I think you’re analogy is somewhat stretched.

    The analogy remains intact. And to take it further, after a woman is raped, regardless of what she was wearing, whether she was drunk, or out very late and walking in dark alleys, she has the right to have police do everything possible to find her assailant and prosecute him.

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  170. scrubone (3,044 comments) says:

    What possible reason can you give to justify the comments that started this all off?

    None of course. I merely pointed out that he appears to have been proved right in hindsight.

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  171. Odd Ball (1 comment) says:

    Well, it looks like Whales out of action again today, so I guess that leaves me with this site or MSN to catch up with what’s going on in NZ. The truth will come out eventually, my guess is, the attacks coming from India. (but I won’t bet on it)

    Also, condolences to the family who have just lost their son.

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  172. scrubone (3,044 comments) says:

    Tell me ciaron, if you are so against baseless inflammatory statements, would you consider someone saying “I don’t know whether these people are feral or not” as bad, or not so bad?

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  173. Monique Angel (251 comments) says:

    I was a feral at that age the kid died. I made stupid ass decisions but never got in a car with a drunk driver. Others didn’t have the same survival instincts and died. Happy to report I have grown through the feral stage and now cover my proclivities with the appropriate adult behavior in most situations. This includes not getting all butt hurt and making death threats over a comment on a website. A site which effectively retains the ‘letters to the editor’, section and bins the rest. Someone, somewhere is bound to get offended whether a dead kid is called a feral or the reputation of the Goodnight Kiwi is impugned. But retaliating with death threats? Those silly West Coast twats don’t know the phrase: “discretion is the better part of velour”. Mayor is biggest twat for engaging.
    And who is the person with foreign coin commissioning the DOS?

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  174. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    she has the right to have police do everything possible to find her assailant and prosecute him.

    That is not in dispute. However, if you think what Cam has done is on the same level as your fictitious lady in terms of provoking a reaction, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

    None of course. I merely pointed out that he appears to have been proved right in hindsight

    Unfortunately, you are right about that, but does the fact justify his actions?

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  175. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    ciaron, copping a lot of abuse was justified by his actions. What he said was free speech, and the abuse he got back was free speech.
    But a line into criminal behaviour was crossed with the threats, and (assuming it is linked) the DoS attack.

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  176. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    Tell me ciaron, if you are so against baseless inflammatory statements, would you consider someone saying “I don’t know whether these people are feral or not” as bad, or not so bad?

    I’m not against them per se I just think saying them about a recently deceased person is a pretty stupid, needless and insesitive thing to do, and to expect others to simply take those comments on the chin in that situation is foolish.

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  177. thor42 (903 comments) says:

    More on “pf” –
    Among its huge list of features it allows you to automatically add “abusive” hosts (hosts that try to connect more than “x” times per “y” seconds) to a table, and if those hosts try to connect again they get instantly dropped and blocked from connecting again.
    That’s the gist of its DOS and DDOS protection.
    Among the “bearded geeks” set (which includes me…. :) ) pf is legendary.

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  178. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    RightNow (6,052 comments) says:

    January 29th, 2014 at 1:38 pm…

    Agreed, now can we agree on who started this whole mess?

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  179. meh (165 comments) says:

    Thor: I don’t think pf, or any firewall is going to help in this situation. He either needs to sign up to a ddos service or buy some kit from a vendor like arbor.

    It’s likely if the attack continues his vps provider will cut him loose, most providers get squeamish if the attacks start impacting services for other customers.

    Edit: we don’t know if the ddos is overwhelming the server or the connection so it’s all speculation at this point.

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  180. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    @Monique: I agree with the sentiment of your comment, but this is too good to let pass:

    Those silly West Coast twats don’t know the phrase: “discretion is the better part of velour”

    I always thought the soft feel was the better part of velour

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  181. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    ciaron, by ‘this whole mess’ are you referring to the slinging match, or the criminal behaviour? If the first, it was Cam. If the latter, it was not Cam.

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  182. scrubone (3,044 comments) says:

    I’m not against them per se I just think saying them about a recently deceased person is a pretty stupid, needless and insesitive thing to do, and to expect others to simply take those comments on the chin in that situation is foolish.

    I don’t disagree – not in the slightest.

    But there’s a wide variety of ways to respond to such comments that do not break the law, and frankly do not play into the hands of the person who made the initial inflammatory comments.

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  183. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    Right Now,
    I am assuming, based on Keeping Stocks comment, that the DDoS and the slinging match are coincidental and unrelated.

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  184. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    But there’s a wide variety of ways to respond to such comments that do not break the law, and frankly do not play into the hands of the person who made the initial inflammatory comments.

    Agreed. I have said elsewhere I do not endorse those threats. Would you say that the reaction diminshes the responsibilty of the antogonist?

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  185. Dean Papa (709 comments) says:

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  186. gravedodger (1,509 comments) says:

    @ ciaron 1 53, You touch on an interesting point, coincidental, unrelated, related?

    My dark art mind wonders if the Perp of the DDOS attack saw an opportunity to make the now significant move against Whaleoil under the convenient tactical opportunity that presented from the clear smoke cloud Slaters remarks on tne family of the damned created.

    He certainly has some very serious disgruntled people out there:
    Mayor Brown,
    Martyn Bradbury,
    Alister Thompson,
    Mathew Blomfield,
    Kim Dot Crim,
    Socialist Pollies current, past and aspiring,
    NZ Herald and its hacks,
    NZLP,
    Various Unions, officials inc POA,
    Then toss in the Coasters who think shooting messengers will help.

    A few interviews to make to assist with inquiries and eliminate as suspects and thats just some of them.

    I follow a Aus blog The Pickering Post and following a paste of one of larry’s recent efforts it elicited an unwarranted attack on one with a Churchill Fellowship and numerous Literary awards.
    Some just cant handle the truth.

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  187. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    ExtremeRightisright (20 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 8:11 am
    ‘Surely a truly strong community.’ Right of way is Way of Right

    WTF, i thought right winger dont believe in community, we are all just individuals living out a social darwinist existence with no responsibility to anyone but ourselves and our spouse and offspring.

    Strong community- sounds like a closet commie to me!

    ———————————————–

    Shooting a little wide of the mark there, not only do I beleive in the values of a good community, I live them. I beleive in the value of diversity, and that we should extend a hand to help those in our midst who struggle. I also beleive that there are bludgers, and ne-er do wells in our midst who choose to live off the largesse of others, and that in doing so, we enrich ourselves. I also beleive a true community balances rights against responsibilities, and all members of the community should be required to meet all the obligations attendant of being a member of the community. Instead of castigating me for my political outlook, you should try and share a beer with me, and talk, and see that we have similar hopes and aspirations, just different ways of going about achieving them.

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  188. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    Jeez some of you people are dumb.

    Slater: ‘Feral dies in Greymouth, did world a favour’

    1. The mother of this ‘feral’ has only just buried the last of her four sons.
    2. Another of her ‘feral’ sons died in Pike River mine disaster.
    3. This ‘feral’ was a passenger in the car fleeing the police, not the driver.

    What kind of a fuckwit would publicly say such a thing? I’ll tell you who. Cameron Fuckwit Slater that’s who.

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  189. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    Monique says you’re dumb.

    Everything you’ve said is fine Scott, it’s all free speech, and I don’t see anyone arguing against that here.

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  190. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    @ Yoza – please can I clarify, on behalf of all the fuckwits in the world. Because we are fuckwits, our children are fair game for threats of gang rape; is that what you’re saying?

    I strongly condemn the death/gang rape threats (well duh?!) just as I strongly condemn Cameron Fuckwit Slater for having provoked them. Not only has he further upset a grieving mother and community, he’s endangered his own family with his reckless and unprincipled media trolling.

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  191. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    it’s all free speech

    This has nothing to do with free speech. That’s just partisan spin attempting to deflect attention away from your boy Cam’s fuckwittery.

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  192. jackinabox (555 comments) says:

    “Then toss in the Coasters who think shooting messengers will help.”

    I can think of a few orators who should have been shot as soon as it became clear that their message was evil.

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  193. Simon (680 comments) says:

    “Live by the sword, die by the sword. Don’t expect to make so many enemies and not be tarnished yourself.”

    Nothing justifies death threats against family members. CS threatens no one. Simply dont read his blog site if you cant cope. It is that simple.

    “having provoked them.” He provoked nothing. Somebody choose to be provoked.

    Scott, Yoza & milk special kind of turd. But guess what I doubt you are offeneded by being called a turd as I expect you get it a lot. Get it?

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  194. Shunda barunda (2,965 comments) says:

    Greymouth.

    Gets called feral.

    Gets upset. Does not believe they are feral.

    Responds to insulter with threats of murder and gang rape of children…..

    You’ve got a few things wrong there mate, yes, Cameron did appear to call all Coasters feral, and yes, that is upsetting, but to imply that all of us down here are then advocates for murder and the rape of children is just typical ignorant bullshit.

    We get sick to death of this determined effort certain sections of NZ society make to turn us into the NZ equivalent of some slack jawed territory in the USA.

    While the West Coast has its fair share of dim bulbs (like anywhere) the “ferality” of the community here would be a damned site less than certain parts of the major towns and cities in NZ.

    The West Coast actually has a very diverse population of people from all over the place, and being genuinely “feral” is not something that features large here at all.

    Cameron made nasty comments about the death of a popular young man in the community here, a man that possibly made his last mistake, but by all accounts wasn’t a bad guy.
    No one here likes the idea of cars crashing into houses, or kids driving drunk, but this is hardly only an issue west of the Alps, this happens everywhere.

    Cameron is the one acting like a redneck with this sort of blatant dismissal of an entire population based on the actions of a few pissed off young people that lost their mate.

    If you poke a stick at a hornets nest, don’t piss and moan that you get stung, isn’t that the entire thrust of his social ideology?

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  195. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I could be forgiven for thinking that Scott Chris, & a few others, consider threatening to gang rape a young girl is ok, if her father was asking for it ! Same deal with threatening to murder her father. As I have already said, those that oppose freedom of speech are among the darkest of souls.

    “Serves him right”

    “for having provoked them”

    “If you poke a stick at a hornets nest, don’t piss and moan that you get stung”

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  196. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    BTW, I very rarely read Cam’s blog. I do not like it. I also consider his comments cruel and they demean both him and the family. But I do not need Scott Chris and his mates pointing that out to me. I will decide what I think for myself.

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  197. Simon (680 comments) says:

    Offence isn’t given, it’s taken.

    Get it leftards?

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  198. Sponge (141 comments) says:

    Kea you have nailed it. Two wrongs don’t make a right – it really is as simple as that.

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  199. nickb (3,658 comments) says:

    Will be interesting to see what comes of the police complaints, that’s for sure…

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  200. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    Oh Scotty, poor diddums, that’s just your own partisan spin trying to deflect from your own fuckwittery.

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  201. Shunda barunda (2,965 comments) says:

    I could be forgiven for thinking that Scott Chris, & a few others, consider threatening to gang rape a young girl is ok, if her father was asking for it !

    Nope, but I wouldn’t put my daughter in harms way due to my actions, perhaps Cameron needs a wisdom injection? or do you really expect to be able to live in an imaginary goldfish bowl?

    Same deal with threatening to murder her father. As I have already said, those that oppose freedom of speech are among the darkest of souls.

    And those that reveal a contempt for thousands of people based on the actions of a few are are as well.

    Is anyone seriously suggesting that Cameron Slater is not a certified arsehole?

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  202. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Sponge, I defend Cam’s attackers right to say what they want too. However I consider threatening to rape an innocent girl is very bad form indeed. But you don’t need me to tell you that either, though Scott Chris needs reminding.

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  203. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    “I wouldn’t put my daughter in harms way due to my actions”

    =

    Do as I want or your daughter gets it !

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  204. Pete George (22,754 comments) says:

    Shunda at 4.12 pm – fair call, except that some of the reaction has been worse than the provocation and can’t be excused any more than the hornet stirring.

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  205. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    some of the reaction has been worse than the provocation

    PG, oh really ! Care to share your formula for working out who is most “offended” ?

    Or is that formula a secret only available to self appointed blog referees ?

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  206. Samuel Smith (276 comments) says:

    No excuse for attacking his children (assuming he’s telling the ‘Truth’).

    But let’s not forget his attacks on the mothers, fathers and victims of Pike River.

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  207. Reid (15,917 comments) says:

    Is anyone seriously suggesting that Cameron Slater is not a certified arsehole?

    Yes, I seriously suggest that Shunda. Who gives a flying if he uses intemperate language? So what? Why is that the crime of the century?

    As others have suggested, no-one forces anyone to go to whale oil beef hooked. The name itself should give one an indication of what to expect and it delivers precisely that.

    Personally, on any and every website, I look at the content, not at who authored it nor at how it’s delivered. And I use my mind and my education to filter the extraneous, the uninteresting and the clearly false.

    Cam obviously delivers news of interest to many, given his stats. Sometimes it’s factual like the Chuang affidavit and sometimes it’s opinion like the “feral” item. But regardless of which it is, anyone discerning knows what to expect, on that site, and it’s incidentally a much closer reflection of the famous NYT banner: “All the News Fit to Print” than any other media organ in this country, for Cam displays neither fear nor favour and in so doing he demonstrates more professional integrity than almost any currently practising “qualified” “real” journalist. (Which may be why they won’t have a bar of him.) But the bottom line is, you know what to expect. Therefore, becoming offended over the way he delivers either fact or opinion is IMO, completely mental.

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  208. big bruv (13,217 comments) says:

    Samuel Smith

    That might well be the only time I will ever give you a positive tick.

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  209. jedmo (30 comments) says:

    Police pursued a speeding car as they are obliged to – they can’t decide “Well we’ll just let that one go on it’s merry way”; horrific smash, passenger dies. Dead man’s mother straight away is questioning Police actions, seems keen to scapegoat them for doing a very difficult job, and is concerned for the injured driver’s wellbeing. Okay she’s in shock etc but what about blaming the driver who is SOLELY responsible for this tragedy? I think it’s legitimate to be upset by the mother’s response, which bestows victimhood mantle on criminal(s) who caused this, while looking for ways to castigate Police who are obliged to clean up the mess.

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  210. Shunda barunda (2,965 comments) says:

    Reid, it’s the way he handles the ensuing shit fight that is the problem, he is careless and intentionally provocative for no good reason, he lacks wisdom and appears arrogant and dismissive.

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  211. Steve Taylor (203 comments) says:

    For those who have observed Mr Slater’s personal life and professional career over the years, this is, most sadly, just another example along the long, long road of Slater placing himself, his family, and what remains of his livelihood, at risk.

    What Slater doesn’t seem to have ever realised in his life is that consequences compound over time, in the absence of applied wisdom (i.e. learning from the event, and changing behaviour / securing insight for the future).

    Consequences don’t “play fair”, so it is perhaps philosophically redundant to argue for or against the “fairness” equation of what Slater did, and the result of same.

    Free speech is not a licence to place others at risk – that is simply careless speech.

    I am genuinely hopeful that Slater’s friends and family can guard him in this awful time, better than Slater can guard himself, or indeed those he professes to love and care for.

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  212. nasska (10,622 comments) says:

    Nothing, but nothing, Whale has ever posted or printed about anyone warrants threats against his children.

    Period.

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  213. Dave Mann (1,168 comments) says:

    Wow… these guys are real SERIOUS… the Whale is still stranded! How long has it been now… more than 2 days I think…?

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  214. Shunda barunda (2,965 comments) says:

    As I have already said, those that oppose freedom of speech are among the darkest of souls.

    You know what the funny thing about that is? those that lack the wisdom to know when not to “speak” are usually just as dark.

    When you respect something you don’t abuse it, it is as simple as that.

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  215. stephieboy (2,154 comments) says:

    DPR nails it,

    “The death threats are bad enough, but the threats against Cam’s children are so far beyond the pale that I hope those responsible are getting visited by the Police.”

    Its that simple really.!

    Whats the problem.?

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  216. jedmo (30 comments) says:

    Just heard the mother interviewed on National Radio – a bit pre-occupied with Cameron Slater being National Party which according to her means he’s automatically tarred – yep it was interesting.

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  217. Rowan (1,778 comments) says:

    The reaction is over the top but Cam is a f….wit who has well intruly asked for it, a good point made by Steve Taylor above that consequences compound over time and it is a good idea to learn from the past event, apply wisdom and don’t make the same screw up twice, a lesson thick as f… Slater could do with learning.

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  218. Pete George (22,754 comments) says:

    It remains very messy.

    Mother denies threats, blogger not apologising

    He told Radio New Zealand’s Morning Report programme on Wednesday they are vigilantes and some threats have come from people on the West Coast.

    He has laid a complaint with police, claiming the dead man’s mother, Joe Hall, has left eight messages on his voicemail, seven of which he says contain death threats.

    Mr Slater stands by what he wrote and says he won’t apologise and cave into bullying from the threats. He says Ms Hall may have received a better response if she had left more pleasant messages.

    But Ms Hall denied on Wednesday that she made any threats. “I asked whoever answered the phone if I could talk to him. I have made no death threats to anybody. I don’t do Facebook – I’m lucky to be able to answer an email at my own service.”

    Ms Hall says she may accept an apology from Mr Slater if it is in person.

    And this would never have blown up if Cameron had posted more pleasant comments. And it wouldn’t have blown up so bad if he hadn’t been counter provoked. And if he had been gracious enough to back off a bit. But the shit has hit big time.

    It’s a real shame the kid’s mother has been drawn into this. Ditto Cameron’s family.

    I hope Cameron and others can learn from this, that playing the big tough guy on blogs can backlash with potentially serious consequences.

    It shouldn’t restrict ‘free speech’, but it should remind people that better standards of speech usually get better results, or less bad results.

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  219. jackinabox (555 comments) says:

    “Nothing, but nothing, Whale has ever posted or printed about anyone warrants threats against his children.

    Period.”

    I think he’ll tone it down a bit in future.

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  220. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    When you respect something you don’t abuse it, it is as simple as that.

    Shunda Burunda, ok let us apply your theory to Cameron’s detractors and see what we get:

    1. Gang rape of an innocent young girl in no way connected to the perceived wrong.

    2. Murder of another human being.

    3. An actual attack carried out on a mans source of income and freedom of speech.

    So using your theory as a guide, how do his attackers look now ? They must not respect: Women, Human life, Freedom of speech and the ability to support ones self and family.

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  221. Gulag1917 (638 comments) says:

    Whaleoil’s timing was bad re Judd Hall and he does go too far e.g. Len Brown. All the bad reaction by the hurt lot is providing evidence of NZ’s feral class who reject education, work, social norms and have bad attitudes.

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  222. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    PG, I agree that freedom of speech can result in some people getting a bit carried away and making silly and defamatory remarks ! :)

    http://yournz.org/2013/11/09/kea-on-kiwiblog-rape-culture-and-abuse/

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  223. Reid (15,917 comments) says:

    …it’s the way he handles the ensuing shit fight that is the problem, he is careless and intentionally provocative for no good reason, he lacks wisdom and appears arrogant and dismissive.

    If you’re referring to the “feral” post and any subsequent comments following I didn’t see it and don’t know what he said so I can’t comment on that. Yes he is intentionally provocative but again, so what? You don’t have to read it. Why get offended? For example, I don’t bother reading his Silly First Name Syndrome threads because I don’t care. But I’m not his sole audience and there are obviously people who do care since they leave comments and the critical point is: he’s writing for many, not just me. I personally regard those sorts of threads as the equivalent of the ‘I gave birth to an alien’ “news” but there’s an acknowledged audience for that, just ask any tabloid.

    He’s building a brand, that’s what he’s doing. And to do that you have to be (I hate this word) “edgy” and provocative. Remember that even though Muldoon was largely hated when he left, he was adored by many at his height, that’s because he was a polarising figure and many successful politicians have followed that route. Love him or hate him. No in-between. That’s his “good reason” for doing what he does.

    As far as “appearing arrogant and dismissive” that’s in the eye of the beholder. That’s where my tactic of looking at the content not the mode of delivery, comes to the fore.

    And Cam delivers. Mate, no doubt about that. Sure, he may have lost part of the West Coast, but this has generated (not intentionally), days and days of national news coverage over this. Most people in the country who are at all ever likely to ever look at a political blog now know what whaleoil is and who is behind it. And one thing about Cam is, he doesn’t give a damn about other people’s opinions.

    The greatest fear in the world is of the opinions of others, and the moment you are unafraid of the crowd, you are no longer a sheep, you become a lion. A great roar arises in your heart, the roar of freedom. ~Osho

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  224. Samuel Smith (276 comments) says:

    @ big burv – You still pick Jones over Williamson?

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  225. Steve (North Shore) (4,491 comments) says:

    This morning the Kea (so called troll) posted a comment at 8.03.
    I gave that an uptick. Thoroughly deserved Kea

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  226. Gulag1917 (638 comments) says:

    Wonder if the feral lot have ever considered [maybe they can not work it out} that they are vastly outnumbered.

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  227. ciaron (1,314 comments) says:

    Yes he is intentionally provocative but again, so what? You don’t have to read it. Why get offended?

    Well, I’d imagine it has something to do with some guy in Howick who you’ve never meet talking smack about your son/brother/cousin/mate who’s just been killed in a car crash, but I could be wrong.

    Not to be condoning the threats or anything but if someone close to you had just died in a crash and you had the authour of the country’s most read blog saying that person did the world a favor by taking his “feral’ genes out of the pool, you’re not going to be just a bit upset about that?

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  228. Rowan (1,778 comments) says:

    “The death threats are bad enough, but the threats against Cam’s children are so far beyond the pale that I hope those responsible are getting visited by the Police.”

    DPF
    Agreed, however if Cam is concerned over the safety of his kids then it would be a good idea to tone down some of his descriptions of the coasters, calling them ‘feral’ was just dumb and was bound to provoke an unpleasant reaction.

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  229. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Steve (North Shore) , thanks.

    Some simple minded folk (afflicted with a tendency to imagine mythical beings that don’t exist) mistake cute little Parrots for evil Trolls ;)

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  230. Gulag1917 (638 comments) says:

    Whaleoil down for second day; Dotcom tells hackers to back off
    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/cam-slater-complains-police-dos-attack-takes-his-whaleoil-blog-offline-ck-151110

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  231. niggly (799 comments) says:

    Well it will be interesting to discover in time who instigated this DDoS attack on Whaleoil. I somehow bet they won’t be liking the light being shined on them ….

    Another thing is, these turkeys haven’t thought about the unintended consequences of launching such a heavy DDoS effort. It will now be considered fair game to attack blogsites one doesn’t agree with and frankly even though blogsites like The Standard are nothing more than a collective of snivelling, negative, hypocrite propagandists, I hate to say these words but even those turkeys shouldn’t deserve something similar to happen one day (because the best thing apart from freedom of speech is to allow everyone to see how deluded they are)! :-)

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  232. stephieboy (2,154 comments) says:

    Rowan.

    Is the latest bursting of your spleen a rationale for Death threats.?

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  233. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,529 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    Rowan, I think you should tone down the abuse and veiled threats toward Cameron’s kids.

    It is not necessary and not fair on his daughter who now has a gang-rape threat hanging over her. She might read this thread. She is just a young kid.

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  234. jude (4 comments) says:

    I for one hope the whale site is up and running soon. I also hope that Cameron’s family are safe and the police are investigating the death threats. If the site had not gone down this discussion would have been held on whale oil site with a large readership. I for one don’t agree with the ‘Feral’ label Cam gave to the man who lost his life. I do think the response has been over the top.
    I hope it is made public if there is a link between the death threats and the cyber attack on whale oil site. if Kim Dotcom is involved I hope there is a trail that will mean the police can prosecute!!

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  235. slijmbal (1,210 comments) says:

    He’s often acerbic, provocative, exaggerates, arrogant, jumps to conclusions, unreasonable and at times downright nasty. He is also all in likelihood smarter than his image. He often also has an element of truth in what he posts and has had some major success in real journalism ala 2 minute Brown.

    His site can feel like a right of centre version of The Standard (but with more freedom of speech). I rarely feel the desire to post there as it’s often rather childish.

    So what?

    This whole bollocks around consequences is exactly that. If he’s guilty of libel then there are approaches to deal with that and they don’t involve puritanical moral responses I suspect are based on a dislike of him or his approach.

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  236. beautox (430 comments) says:

    Does anyone know if the guys running the DDOS attack have a “Donate” page. I’m guessing that a fair few people would be willing to chip in a few dollars to keep him off the air.

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  237. johnsmith5500 (1 comment) says:

    I am saddened to read the commentary here.

    The facts of what has happened are simple.

    A young person, with a tragic family background, has been killed. Whether his death “was his fault” because of the circumstances is judgemental, and immaterial. The fact is that a man has died, at an age that no one should die, and his family and community are grieving.

    We should sympathise with those who are grieving, or if we can not, hold our peace. This is common human decency.

    The truth or otherwise of Slater’s comments are immaterial. Courtesy and respect should stop any mature person from saying what Slater has said. When people are insulted and attacked, it is human to react with anger. For some this is quiet and reserved. For others, it is more vocal. And for some, it is forceful and angry, as has occurred in this case. There is no excuse for threatening to kill a man, or gang-rape is daughter. Those who make such threats should have the full force of the law brought to bear upon them. But this is how some will react.

    A tragedy has occurred. A man has not been able to keep his thoughts to himself, instead accusing and insulting a grieving family and people. Some of the accused have reacted with excessive anger and disgusting threats.

    There is no “left wing conspiracy”.
    Being a “feral” is of no matter.

    What does matter is that it is sad that so many in our society seem incapable of simple courtesy and respect. This is exemplified in the thoughtless, banal and self-centred views expressed on this blog. We should grieve for the family who has lost a son, but equally so for those in society who seem to have lost their decency.

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  238. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    beautox,

    1. If someone does not want to visit a blog they do not have to. They would simply not go there.

    2. So if someone, like you, wants the site removed then we can only reasonably conclude you want your choices forced on others.

    Why do you think your opinion should prevail over other opinions (by force) ?

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  239. stephieboy (2,154 comments) says:

    I believe the real reason behind Rowan’s deranged utterances is the unpalatable fact that Cam believes David Bains’ supporters are utterly deluded.

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  240. big bruv (13,217 comments) says:

    Samuel Smith.

    Yes I would. And I know far more about cricket than you do.

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  241. Shunda barunda (2,965 comments) says:

    When you respect something you don’t abuse it, it is as simple as that.

    Shunda Burunda, ok let us apply your theory to Cameron’s detractors and see what we get:

    1. Gang rape of an innocent young girl in no way connected to the perceived wrong.

    2. Murder of another human being.

    3. An actual attack carried out on a mans source of income and freedom of speech.

    Kea, I refuse to believe you are that stupid, where did I say I approve of any of that?

    So using your theory as a guide, how do his attackers look now ? They must not respect: Women, Human life, Freedom of speech and the ability to support ones self and family.

    I’m not defending his attackers, I’m commenting on the lack of wisdom this guy displays by heaping all West Coasters in with some wayward young adults and their pissed off mates.

    Tell me, if Cameron believes he is more intelligent than these people (and he clearly does) why is he so fond of the same damned tactics all be it not quite to the same degree?

    Cameron is barely any more civilized.

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  242. nickb (3,658 comments) says:

    Samuel Smith.

    Yes I would. And I know far more about cricket than you do.

    Bitchslap!

    But could Andrew Jones do this?

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  243. big bruv (13,217 comments) says:

    nickb

    Williamson may well end up being a better player but he has a long way to go yet.

    Need I remind you of their respective test averages.

    AH Jones 44.27

    K Williamson 35.88

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  244. OneTrack (2,575 comments) says:

    beautox – “I’m guessing that a fair few people would be willing to chip in a few dollars to keep him off the air.”

    I am sure there are many left-wingers in New Zealand who think freedom of speech only means the freedom to say what they “approve” of.

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  245. bc (1,332 comments) says:

    All of this Whaleoil business reminds me of a great song:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3qvosHHcWc

    Instant Karma’s gonna get you,
    Gonna knock you right on the head,
    You better get yourself together,
    Pretty soon you’re gonna be dead,
    What in the world you thinking of,
    Laughing in the face of love,
    What on earth you tryin’ to do,
    It’s up to you, yeah you.

    Instant Karma’s gonna get you,
    Gonna look you right in the face,
    Better get yourself together darlin’,
    Join the human race,
    How in the world you gonna see,
    Laughin’ at fools like me,
    Who on earth d’you think you are,
    A super star,
    Well, right you are.

    Well we all shine on,
    Like the moon and the stars and the sun,
    Well we all shine on,
    Ev’ryone come on.

    Instant Karma’s gonna get you,
    Gonna knock you off your feet,
    Better recognize your brothers,
    Ev’ryone you meet,
    Why in the world are we here,
    Surely not to live in pain and fear,
    Why on earth are you there,
    When you’re ev’rywhere,
    Come and get your share.

    Well we all shine on,
    Like the moon and the stars and the sun,
    Yeah we all shine on,
    Come on and on and on on on,
    Yeah yeah, alright, uh huh, ah-.

    Well we all shine on,
    Like the moon and the stars and the sun,
    Yeah we all shine on,
    On and on and on on and on.

    Well we all shine on,
    Like the moon and the stars and the sun.
    Well we all shine on,
    Like the moon and the stars and the sun.
    Well we all shine on,
    Like the moon and the stars and the sun.
    Yeah we all shine on,
    Like the moon and the stars and the sun.

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  246. nickb (3,658 comments) says:

    Thought this was GD. Sorry for off topic cricket video

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  247. OneTrack (2,575 comments) says:

    scott chris – “This has nothing to do with free speech.”

    This has everything to do with free speech. I am not surprised that the left wingers don’t/won’t see that.

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  248. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Shunda barunda, did you note my thoughts at 4:30 pm regarding his comments ?. I think it was poor form and cruel.

    But it does not matter what I, or you, think. It does not over ride his right to free speech. You and I are free to make up our own minds, about what he said, but we are not free to force him into silence.

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  249. adze (1,856 comments) says:

    The threats (if genuine) made against Cam’s family are appalling.

    But if he gloated over the death of someone, without (as he claimed on RNZ this evening) knowing anything about him other than the fact he was a Coaster, well I’d have to say that Whale has jumped the shark.

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  250. OneTrack (2,575 comments) says:

    Shunda – “Cameron is barely any more civilized.”

    So Mr Slater in a blog post, referring to someone who drove drunk, refused to stop for police and smashed into a house(and killing someone in the process), is on a similar moral plain to ferals who threaten a young girl with rape, threaten to kill someone and do their best to take down a blog site. Yeah, exactly the same.

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  251. bc (1,332 comments) says:

    adze, agree.
    Slater really needs to learn that “what goes around comes around”.

    Instant karma’s gonna get you …

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  252. Rich Prick (1,538 comments) says:

    Golly what a fuss. A commentator describes a West Coaster as feral, then a bunch of West Coasters come forward and demonstrate they are, well, feral.

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  253. lofty (1,303 comments) says:

    I have had a look through this thread, and find myself agreeing at some level or the other with most commentators, both pro and anti Cam, and both pro and silly anti free speechers.
    My perception, for what it is worth, is at a level beyond Cams words and the abhorant death and physical harm threats.
    My concern is more for the future of the internet and it’s obvious vulnerability to be manipulated despite firewalls, anti this and anti that mechanisms to keep out the “bad” guys.
    If the internet is this easily brought to its knees ( or at least part of it) how does that sit with individuals and businesses that rely on “cloud” based solutions to run enterprises?
    This scenario in regard to WO has me concerned, and will do long after the dust settles in this particular case.

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  254. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    bc (1,148 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 7:40 pm
    adze, agree.
    Slater really needs to learn that “what goes around comes around”.

    Instant karma’s gonna get you …
    ——————————–

    bc, is that the defense you & Rowan plan to run if his daughter is gang raped ?

    You guys need to stop and have a wee think. Fancy coming onto such a lightly moderated and open blog as KB to rally against freedom of expression and justify rape and death threats against those who say what they want.

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  255. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    It is not necessary and not fair on his daughter who now has a gang-rape threat hanging over her. She might read this thread. She is just a young kid.

    Fair enough, Kea. I don’t think the threat it his daughter is in any way serious. Whoever posted it wanted to get at him by posting it, not her by actually assaulting her.

    In my view the police should look that one up, and perhaps the others. A warning would suffice.

    But that doesn’t change the fact that Slater, a serial scofflaw, deserves any vitriol he gets on account of his vile antics. He himself has said that no holds are barred and his attitude is that the law is only useful as a tool with which to beat his enemies. He has absolutely no respect for it or for anyone he perceives as a rival.

    If you are going to flout the law and use your right to freedom of speech to harass and bully others and then run to he law when you get the same back, don’t expect the authorities to play ball. They exist to enforce the law and not carry out Cameron Slater’s personal vendettas or protect him from the consequences of his bullying others.

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  256. bc (1,332 comments) says:

    Wow, look at troll Kea getting all high and might all of a sudden. That’s a first.
    Did you notice that I agreed with adze’s comment “The threats (if genuine) made against Cam’s family are appalling.”

    Back under your bridge, troll.

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  257. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Kea. I don’t think the threat it his daughter is in any way serious….A warning would suffice.

    I am sure the young girl feels comforted by your words Tom.

    Even if people like Rowan reckons she had it coming :(

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  258. Nostalgia-NZ (4,898 comments) says:

    Rowan says this…

    ‘Rowan (1,530 comments) says:

    January 29th, 2014 at 5:59 pm
    “The death threats are bad enough, but the threats against Cam’s children are so far beyond the pale that I hope those responsible are getting visited by the Police.”

    DPF
    Agreed, however if Cam is concerned over the safety of his kids then it would be a good idea to tone down some of his descriptions of the coasters, calling them ‘feral’ was just dumb and was bound to provoke an unpleasant reaction.’

    The parrot accuses him of making threats….

    ‘Kea (10,010 comments) says:

    ‘January 29th, 2014 at 6:08 pm
    Rowan (1,529 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    Rowan, I think you should tone down the abuse and veiled threats toward Cameron’s kids.

    It is not necessary and not fair on his daughter who now has a gang-rape threat hanging over her. She might read this thread. She is just a young kid.’

    Reality disconnect much?

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  259. bc (1,332 comments) says:

    Oh and calling what I said a “rally against freedom of expression” is obvious trolling.
    What happened to you, kea? If you are going to keep trolling in 2014 you really have to be a bit more subtle about it if you expect a bite back.

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  260. bc (1,332 comments) says:

    Ha ha the misogynist kea now gets on pretend high horse about a rape threat.
    You only need to read the hundreds of posts kea made about the roastbusters incidents to know that there is more obvious trolling going on here.

    Note to kea:

    MUST
    DO
    BETTER

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  261. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ, tell readers why you only posted 1/2 of Rowans comment…. ?

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  262. adze (1,856 comments) says:

    Tom, regardless of how nasty Whaleoil was, actual threats of murder or sexual violence against him and his family are in a completely different league to a bit of “return fire” on Facebook (or even a couple of hundred nasty/abusive phone calls).

    There’s just no excusing or minimising of it. At all.
    And regardless of what anyone thinks of Cam Slater, he is perfectly entitled to seek redress through the law if it occurs.

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  263. FlashinthePan (15 comments) says:

    Anyone else having trouble getting on the Kiwiblog mobile site? Related?

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  264. Shunda barunda (2,965 comments) says:

    So Mr Slater in a blog post, referring to someone who drove drunk, refused to stop for police and smashed into a house(and killing someone in the process), is on a similar moral plain to ferals who threaten a young girl with rape, threaten to kill someone and do their best to take down a blog site. Yeah, exactly the same.

    Yeah, he is.

    All you are quibbling about is degree, Cameron doesn’t give a shit about how his actions may affect others and neither did the fuckwit driving the car.

    Did you see the part where Cameron was gloating about having loaded firearms in his house? Watch this space.

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  265. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    And regardless of what anyone thinks of Cam Slater, he is perfectly entitled to seek redress through the law if it occurs

    And said authorities are perfectly entitled to drag their feet, not take him seriously, etc.

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  266. Nostalgia-NZ (4,898 comments) says:

    ‘Rowan (1,530 comments) says:

    January 29th, 2014 at 5:59 pm
    “The death threats are bad enough, but the threats against Cam’s children are so far beyond the pale that I hope those responsible are getting visited by the Police.”

    DPF
    Agreed, however if Cam is concerned over the safety of his kids then it would be a good idea to tone down some of his descriptions of the coasters, calling them ‘feral’ was just dumb and was bound to provoke an unpleasant reaction.

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    If you think that the ‘Vote’ comprises half a comment your math is about as good as your ability to accuse others of saying things they haven’t. Good luck with that.

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  267. bc (1,332 comments) says:

    Yep same, FlashinthePan.
    I was wondering if kiwiblog was next too!
    Kiwiblog is not in the same league as whaleoil, and I mean that in a good way.

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  268. Couchpotatoe (26 comments) says:

    The description by Cameron of the deceased was disrespectful, offensive and arrogant. The response has been “feral” fueled no doubt by genuine anger at the sneering tone the the post, with others joining with a pack mentality No one has come out of this looking very good imo.

    Careful what you say. The keyboard is no shield for Internet Warriors.

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  269. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Nosty, my bad.

    But you seemed to forget this statement of Rowans when you read my comment.

    ” if Cam is concerned over the safety of his kids then it would be a good idea to tone down some of his descriptions of the coasters”

    It is pretty hard not to see that as a veiled threat. The threat being, to gang rape a child. Serious enough to go to the police with and move his family. What Rowan is saying is that he is against gang raping children for the sins of the father, but if he provoked them then he only has himself to blame !

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  270. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    “Tom Jackson (2,032 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 8:16 pm
    And said authorities are perfectly entitled to drag their feet, not take him seriously, etc.”

    Tom is that your view for all rape threats, or only those made against children ?

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  271. Nostalgia-NZ (4,898 comments) says:

    It’s not a ‘veiled’ threat or a threat at all to suggest to say that anybody should be cautious about provoking lunatics, just as it also the right of a family to be left alone particularly by somebody that admits he even doesn’t know them. Other people here have made the suggestion that Slater should apologise, however he says that apologising to the family he attacked, despite not knowing them, would be ‘backing down’ to bullies. Getting on a plane and going to meet them might cool the air, but unfortunately the one that feels he is being ‘bullied’ uses that as an excuse to continue attacking people he doesn’t know. After that it all gets a bit complicated in the school yard.

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  272. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ, so can either you or Rowan tell me what Cam’s little girl did to – provoke lunatics – to gang rape her ?

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  273. Rowan (1,778 comments) says:

    Stiffyboy

    I am not as shallow minded as f…tards like yourself to solely base my opinion of him based on what he does or doesn’t think about Bain, he is a big mouthed attention seeking bigot because of the way he goes out to make a witch hunt for people and yes he did take some cheap shots at Bain and Karam as well as cheap shots at Len Brown, as well as this latest scandal he has created for himself. Its not about the target, its actually the way he goes about creating a trial by media, but you are way to shallow minded to understand that aren’t you Stiffy!
    And simpleton, (and Bird Brain), I did not say the kid deserved it or ‘had it coming’ you are putting words inside my mouth. Slater and not his children is responsible for his actions.

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  274. adze (1,856 comments) says:

    “And said authorities are perfectly entitled to drag their feet, not take him seriously, etc.”

    Yeah yeah, trollface.jpg and all that. :p

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  275. Rowan (1,778 comments) says:

    Kea
    Cam and not his little girl, provoked the lunatics to gang rape her, I never said I condoned it and I actually said the threats were over the top, as was the ‘feral’ description, but you knew this already, didn’t you f…tard?

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  276. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Well if anyone did kill Cam’s entire family, we all know a couple of KB regulars who would be firmly in the killers corner, don’t we ?

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  277. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    FlashinthePan (11 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 8:09 pm
    Anyone else having trouble getting on the Kiwiblog mobile site? Related?

    The mobile site is hosted by mobify (which is hosted by rackspace.net in Chicago), and probably unrelated to the attack on whaleoil as his site seems to have been hosted by linode:
    https://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Network
    They don’t seem to have anything hosted in Chicago.

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  278. FlashinthePan (15 comments) says:

    m.kiwiblog.co.nz reading 500 Internal Server Error. It states, “The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Either the server is overloaded or there is an error in the application.”

    Overloaded hmmm, another attack or all those hardcore WhaleOil readers who have nowhere else to go?

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  279. FlashinthePan (15 comments) says:

    Ah, ok, thanks RightNow. A techie I am not.

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  280. Rowan (1,778 comments) says:

    Hopefully there will soon be some legal precedents when it comes to cyber bullying and online defamation when the Judge releases the court decision relating to the online defamation of Karam and Bain by Kent Parkers counterspin witch-hunt. Kent should get what he well and truly deserves and maybe idiots like whale could look at what happens to big mouthed f…wits who think they are safe by publishing their defamation on blog sites. That assumes Slater has some brains though, to much to hope for?

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  281. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    You’re welcome Flash.

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  282. stephieboy (2,154 comments) says:

    Rowan, I can rest assure you Whale oil will be at peace with the world with his unsympathetic response to David Bain and his deluded supporters and the outcome of the Defamation action against Kent Parker,the real witch hunt IMO !

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  283. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    “Tom is that your view for all rape threats, or only those made against children ?”

    It’s not a credible threat. Get over yourself.

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  284. Longknives (4,411 comments) says:

    Rowan- I don’t really know who Kent Parker is or much about Counterspin, so I can’t speak for all this ‘defamation’ business…
    But even you must admit Davey Bain’s fascination with what knickers his sister was buried in is a little bit creepy and weird? C’mon-just a little??

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  285. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson (2,033 comments) says:
    January 29th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
    “Tom is that your view for all rape threats, or only those made against children ?”

    It’s not a credible threat. Get over yourself.

    =================================================================

    Tom, do you have some inside information you are not telling us about, or are you making things up because you don’t like Cam ?

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  286. stephieboy (2,154 comments) says:

    And his desire to cremate his parents and bury his siblings separately.
    Extremely weird.!

    Not a Credible threat.?
    More weirdness.

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  287. Rowan (1,778 comments) says:

    Stiffy
    It will be real justice seeing Kent getting bankrupted and having to pay damages to Karam, and getting his cult shut down, Karmas a bitch isn’t it!

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  288. RightNow (6,646 comments) says:

    People who believed in Karma would stop saying Karma’s a bitch.

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  289. Rich Prick (1,538 comments) says:

    Jesus wept, how did this become a David Bain thread. There are some heavy and sagging nappies round here in need of emptying.

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  290. Nostalgia-NZ (4,898 comments) says:

    Because I’m not a ‘follower of fashion’ and didn’t know about the alleged threats against children in Auckland I guess that is an admission of naivety. Reading above, however, that it is claimed that Cameron Slater has said that he is in his home with loaded firearms is a triple take. Bullies these days are not what they use to be.

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  291. Rowan (1,778 comments) says:

    Rich Prick
    Ask the deluded cult i.e. Stiffy Boy and LK, I pointed out about online defamation and Kent Parker, while I tried to make it about Kents defamation, and any precedent this may set mention the B word and look what how the cultists react.

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  292. lofty (1,303 comments) says:

    Oh FFS listen to yourselves…bitch slap…counter bitch slap…and now the Bain bullshit.
    What about the threat to the most powerful system invented by mankind? Huh?
    Whether we like it or not the internet provides access to information and business (employment) storage, and the ability of disgruntled individuals or motivated groups to infiltrate and destroy or block access to sections (or all of it) is the most worrying aspect of this whole debacle.
    Think people think.
    Oh I give up! Morons!

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  293. itstricky (1,537 comments) says:

    the ability of disgruntled individuals or motivated groups to infiltrate and destroy or block access to sections (or all of it) is the most worrying aspect of this whole debacle.

    It’s kind balanced out by the ability of disgrunted individuals or motivated groups to put lies, deceit and well just crap up on the Internet. One set of people put up crap, the other tear it down.

    http://www.internetisshit.org/

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  294. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    lofty, a timely reminder to us all. Thanks.

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  295. itstricky (1,537 comments) says:

    And regardless of what anyone thinks of Cam Slater, he is perfectly entitled to seek redress through the law if it occurs

    And said authorities are perfectly entitled to drag their feet, not take him seriously, etc.

    Was touched on earlier but there is such a thing in legal circles as “contribution to cause” i.e. you stuffed up first and bought it on yourself.

    It would be potentially interesting to see what the Police would do with such a thing. My guess – treat it like a high school boy’s punch up on the rugby field. Now now Wadda we ‘ave ‘ere? Everybody take a deep breath, lie down and let’s start from the beginning…

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  296. lofty (1,303 comments) says:

    Hi rich prick, a very good evening to you.
    I am happy to respond.
    I mentioned debacle in my previous post, that’s what this whole sordid affair is, and I despise those who use the net for retribution and threats.
    There is no excuse for it and it is moronic behaviour in my humble opinion.
    I am trying to look beyond the post from WO and the knee jerk threats that have arisen from it, as much as I deplore them, and I sincerely do.
    The access to commerce, and free flow of information and knowledge is under threat here, this goes above, he said she said, Bain is guilty/innocents…principles of free speech and civil liberty are at risk here……in my opinion.

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  297. lofty (1,303 comments) says:

    I see you have withdrawn you comment Richprick..so it makes my response look out of context….never mind, I hope it clarifies my position to you.

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  298. Reid (15,917 comments) says:

    My guess – treat it like a high school boy’s punch up on the rugby field.

    Well, if they do, then the govt can’t complain when IRD’s site gets taken down during the few days leading up to provisional tax payments or around tax return date May 7, can they. Or say if the Rugby World Cup booking site gets taken down next time we host it. Or banks, etc etc.

    Precedent.

    It matters what they do, here.

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  299. lofty (1,303 comments) says:

    Thanks Reid…whew someone else gets it.

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  300. Samuel Smith (276 comments) says:

    @ big burv – I picked Williamson in an all-time one day side, not a test line-up.

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  301. itstricky (1,537 comments) says:

    Well, if they do, then the govt can’t complain when IRD’s site gets taken down

    Sorry, I just had a vision of the IRD Comissioner calling Bill English ‘feral’ come into my head. Couldn’t shake it. Op, sanity has returned – no that would never happen.

    One word against another. Or one groups of screaming lunatics shouting at a blubbering ex-bully in a corner. It wouldn’t be out of place in a teen high school movie.

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  302. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Tom, do you have some inside information you are not telling us about, or are you making things up because you don’t like Cam ?

    People who really want to rape or kill other people tend not to post threats on the internet unless they’re the crazy stalker type who doesn’t care about being caught after the fact.

    For example, if you, kea, were to post on Kiwiblog a threat something like: “By the time I’m finished rogering you, David Farrar, your bum will be so sore it will wish it had never been born!”, and then you actually ambushed him and did it, do you really think the police would have any trouble at all tracing the threat back to you?

    Which is infinitely more likely: that: (a) some disgruntled West Coasters really want to travel all the way up to Auckland for the sole purpose of raping Cameron Slater’s daughter; or (b) that they want .to give him the willies, since forceful threats tend to provoke fear in people whether or not they are particularly credible.

    If you play first person shooters online, and you are any good, you’re probably getting half a dozen similar threats every week from people you beat. Should you quake in mortal fear because some teenager in Arkansas has sworn to kill your entire family because he thinks you’re a spawn camper?

    Hell, if you say nasty things about Justin Bieber on Twitter, hundreds of prepubescent girls will threaten to forcefully insert a running chainsaw into your backside (somewhere a Kiwiblog commenter is now trying to think of mean things to say about Bieber…)

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  303. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    People who really want to rape or kill other people tend not to post threats on the internet unless they’re the crazy stalker type who doesn’t care about being caught after the fact.

    Tom, I am sure the child is again comforted by your words… well not so much this bit “unless they’re the crazy stalker type who doesn’t care about being caught after the fact.”

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  304. lofty (1,303 comments) says:

    @ Tom Jackson……heh

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  305. Nostalgia-NZ (4,898 comments) says:

    ‘blubbering ex-bully in a corner,’

    That’s a bit on the ‘beak’ or ‘snout.’

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  306. SGA (800 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson at 10:22 pm

    Hell, if you say nasty things about Justin Bieber on Twitter, hundreds of prepubescent girls will threaten to forcefully insert a running chainsaw into your backside (somewhere a Kiwiblog commenter is now trying to think of mean things to say about Bieber…)

    No need… :-)

    The White House petition to deport Justin Bieber is more than halfway to success, surging beyond 70,000 signatures as of noon Tuesday and putting it well on pace to reach the 100,000 needed to earn an official response.
    [... snip ...]
    “We the people of the United States feel that we are being wrongly represented in the world of pop culture,” the petition says. (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-justin-bieber-and-revoke-his-green-card/ST1yqHJL) “We would like to see the dangerous, reckless, destructive, and drug abusing, Justin Bieber deported and his green card revoked. He is not only threatening the safety of our people but he is also a terrible influence on our nations youth. We the people would like to remove Justin Bieber from our society.”
    (The Washington Times 28/01/14)

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  307. Nostalgia-NZ (4,898 comments) says:

    I hope ‘jolly roger’ didn’t wet his nappies when he spent 3 hours telling the police today, what happened to him.
    I also hope none of them ‘westies’ ended up with blisters.

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  308. Rich Prick (1,538 comments) says:

    Hi lofty, no my comment is still here at 9.38pm, I own things I say, it’s not withdrawn at all. Weird things going on though.

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  309. Paul Marsden (986 comments) says:

    Understandably, tempers are running hot when this tragedy is so raw, but I wonder if the invective being directed at Slater for his comments, would be so vitriolic if the deceased had been in the vehicle and it had killed say a mother and her child walking the footpath or, perhaps someone in the house?

    There is no doubt that individuals who behave in such a reckless matter as to endanger other people’s lives, are indeed feral and deserve all the opprobrium that society can muster against them. Indeed, if the deceased had lived but the vehicle he was in had killed someone, he could be charged with been a party to manslaughter. If nothing else, Slater’s comments has highlighted this ‘feral’ behaviour and if it gets society talking and motivated to move against it and saves one life, then Slater has accomplished what he has set out to do.

    Perhaps that’s why he does not resile from his comments..??

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  310. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    Rich Prick>Golly what a fuss. A commentator describes a West Coaster as feral, then a bunch of West Coasters come forward and demonstrate they are, well, feral.

    I read some of the bizarre semi-literate abuse on Whale’s Facebook page last night. A few of the abusers, all from the West Coast, were essentially claiming that if anyone dissed someone from the Coast then Coasters would form an angry mob and dish out a bashing. Plus gang rape and a bunch of other really vile stuff. And that is just the way they do things on the Coast.

    No one from the West Coast stepped in to say “whoa… we’re not a bunch of violent vigilantes, so just shut the fuck up guys”.

    So I’m left with an impression that the West Coast is what society would be like if it were run by gangs. Where if you look at someone wrong on the streets, then a mob of screeching inbreeds are going to assault you. And then they’ll claim they had to assault you to prove they aren’t violent or something. You expect this sort of thing if you make a crack about Mohammed in Pakistan. I don’t want to visit some Pakistani ghetto full of religious nutbars just waiting for an excuse to riot and kill a few outsiders. I think I’ll stay away from the West Coast, too.

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  311. Rich Prick (1,538 comments) says:

    Good point Paul. Regrettably the media are turning the bad bastards into the “victims”. Whale hates that, as do I. The West Coast should be ashamed of some of the reaction to some of its bad bastards behaviour. And the mayor ought to but out as well, it’s not a Local Government matter, it’s a Police matter. Manslaughter at least.

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  312. itstricky (1,537 comments) says:

    ‘blubbering ex-bully in a corner,’

    That’s a bit on the ‘beak’ or ‘snout.’

    I am sitting up awaiting the angry mobs of supporters to place vicious Facebook comments on me and Unlike (or is it un-friend?) me.

    Blubbering. Get it? I thought it was worth at least one up vote.

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  313. Rich Prick (1,538 comments) says:

    itstricky, why would we? We’re balanced and reasonable people who don’t exercise ourselves over such things as language or verbiage. Not so on the Coast it seems. Yet the mother is now demanding a “face to face” apology for one word on a blog site. Air NZ has return fares from Hokitika to Auckland tomorrow for $1,058, book now lady. Bet you don’t though. She doesn’t want a “face to face” apology, she wants 10 seconds on the news.

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  314. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    The wild West Coast. The place where the Labour party began.

    Good to see them coming to grips with technology and reading political blogs.

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  315. bc (1,332 comments) says:

    Kea: “Well if anyone did kill Cam’s entire family, we all know a couple of KB regulars who would be firmly in the killers corner, don’t we ?”

    I haven’t read one post here that would come close to what you suggest here.

    Please Kea, I beg you, stop this obvious trolling. It’s so sad to see the great troll of 2013 being a shadow of his former self in his return of 2014.

    It’s like listening to a modern Rolling Stones album. It’s passable but you can’t help but think back to their former glory days, and feel sad at what once was and can never be again.

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  316. bc (1,332 comments) says:

    And kea you have hundreds if not thousands of posts showing your hatred of women, including supporting the roastbusters.
    This faux outrage at a rape comment is just not working for you.

    Kea in 2014:
    MUST
    TRY
    HARDER

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  317. itstricky (1,537 comments) says:

    itstricky, why would we? We’re balanced and reasonable people who don’t exercise ourselves over such things as language or verbiage. Not so on the Coast it seems.

    Aha, yes, quite right – balanced and reasonable people who don’t go calling others feral. As I said in my original post – if I walk out on the street and call a random stranger ugly then I *fully* expect to be given a five fingered salute right square smack on my plonker (probably splitting it in two). I would never expect any less and I would probably deserve it.

    She doesn’t want a “face to face” apology, she wants 10 seconds on the news.

    Now that it just a really really -weird- assertion. I mean like, really weird. She’s a grieving mother who’s had someone abuse her deceased and you’re suggesting she just wants to get on the telly? I don’t even know where to begin psyhco-analysis of that one. Now, Anna Guy – there’s someone dying (‘scuse the pun) for media attention but a mother who’s deceased son has been called feral in a well known “news” outlet? Did you ever have any problems picking up people’s emotions when you were younger? Like facial clues and so forth?

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  318. Rich Prick (1,538 comments) says:

    Well if she wants to honour her son with a “face to face” apology she can pony up with $1,058 and fly to Auckland tomorrow and go get one, I’m sure Whale would oblige anyone who goes to that effort for truly held feelings. Bet you a gizzillian dollars she won’t though. If you heard her on Radio NZ she sounded like the Coast’s next Bernie Monk.

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  319. itstricky (1,537 comments) says:

    That is even weirder. Her son dies, someone abuses him and yet she should fork out to travel to get an apology for the later?

    Well, I guess we are past midnight so weird things do happen.

    Hey, it’s the 30th and WhaleOil is still down.

    Ciao.

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  320. Rich Prick (1,538 comments) says:

    She’s the one demanding a “face to face” apology. Not me. Oh, and it’s just early afternoon here.

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  321. itstricky (1,537 comments) says:

    Right you are. That is weird. But I think she might have the the right to call the shots in that her son died and she didn’t walk around calling random people feral, or you know, something like that anyway.

    I guess, given your handy time zone hint and your handle you’re at your bach in Hawaii then? Unfortunately, some of us aren’t that rich and still have to get up for work in the morning so this will definitely be the last from me. Especially on this topic.

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  322. big bruv (13,217 comments) says:

    Did Slater actually say he was waiting at home (alone) with loaded guns in the house?

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  323. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    Oh hang on, she want’s a face to face apology from Cam Slater for describing her late son as a ‘feral’. She also has questions about the police chase. She also said that she was grateful that the survivors of the crash had directed emergency services to the wreck to check on her dead son.

    The statements I have yet to hear are; “Why was the driver going so fast?” “Why was the life of my son taken by the stupid actions of his so called mate?”

    I appreciate that she is grieving in a way that few of us could ever understand, and that she may feel compelled to strike out. But Cam Slater did not kill her son. The Police did not kill her son. Her son died solely due to the actions of the person who had his right foot on the accelerator of the car. And if some of these people on the West Coast refuse to get their heads around that basic fact, and address it, then sadly, Judd Hall will not be the last person to be taken from us all in such a manner.

    I find this fact to be the saddest of them all.

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  324. kiwi in america (2,432 comments) says:

    I think those who read Cameron’s blog pretty much know what we are getting. He is opinionated, blunt, irreverent and never shys away from a fight. He champions the odd cause that cuts against my personal opinion and he can dismiss the foolish and unwise with almost excessive acerbity (e.g. the ‘feral’ comment that has elicited so much controversy). But he fulfills an enormously important place in New Zealand’s political dialogue because frankly he’s unafraid to dig deep and report his findings and to take the fight to the left in the most in your face aggressive manner possible. He understands what he is up against – the left dominates the media, journalism schools, academia, school teaching profession and the bureaucracy and they are like rust, they never sleep. In addition to breaking stories the MSM would ignore or gloss over (Len Brown) he calls out the left, its ruinous policies and their hypocritical spokespeople in a way that is most compelling – hence his popularity.

    I believe this DDOS attack is politically motivated and likely sources from cronies of Kim Dotcom who will do everything they can to cover their tracks and keep the blame away from him. Slater has humiliated Dotcom and his digging into his affairs and linkages in ways that ultimately will be very damaging to Dotcom’s carefully crafted PR image and media manipulation. I hope Cam has some friends who can dig into their pockets to help him circumvent these attacks and get back on line as Dotcom has money and technology on his side to wage this war.

    As for the controversial comments Whale has made well he’s a big boy and he’s going to have to accept the fact that if you rark people up the way he does then some will come out swinging and make the kinds of low life threats that have been made. As deplorable as they are, if you are going to throw stones at people then you’re going to have to cope with the retaliation.

    It is fascinating to contrast Whaleoil with Kiwiblog – each site reflecting obviously the personality of their creators. Both are a vital part of the NZ political scene but for different reasons. Depite all of Whale’s flaws and foibles, I sure hope he is back on line soon

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  325. slightlyrighty (2,496 comments) says:

    Feral is defined in a number of ways.

    The oxford dictionary defines feral as “(of a young person) behaving in a wildly undisciplined and antisocial way:”.

    Dictionary.com has another definition from the Random House dictionary, which is “causing death; fatal.”

    What happened to Judd Hall is a tragedy, but the definition of feral in this case is wholly accurate, (although insensitive). However we feel about what has been said by Cameron Slater in this matter, we cannot deny that the description of the behavior that caused Judd’s death is, in fact, worthy of the definition.

    This behavior has caused more suffering for a family that has had more than it’s fair share. It has destroyed property, lives, and consumed resources that we, the taxpayer, have had to pay for, when all that was required was for the driver to act responsibly. His actions are the inexcusable ones. If Judd Halls friends wish to apportion blame, then the driver should be the one they need to talk to.

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  326. big bruv (13,217 comments) says:

    I note that Whale Oils site is still down. Given that I am a luddite when it comes to things internet can somebody tell me how big a deal it is for Slater to get his site up and running again?

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  327. niggly (799 comments) says:

    Well said Paul Marsden, Right of way is Right of Way and Kiwi in America!

    Fully agree with and respect your sentiments.

    Apart from the one-eyed trolls I’d imagine most others here would also concur.

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  328. jackinabox (555 comments) says:

    Whale Oil’s hypocrisy

    Cameron Slater seems to be a “do as I say, not as I do” kind of guy.

    I am reluctant to criticise another blogger but Cam’s recent actions and his response to the reactions they created are nothing short of mind-boggling.

    The blog suggested that the death of a West-coaster did the world a favour and regardless of any possible veracity the story may or may not have had, the headline was clearly nothing more than a crude attempt at sensationalism.

    At this point it should be remembered that Mr Slater boldly disobeyed they ruling of a court’s suppression order because *he* felt he had a right to and that the law was an ass.

    Thumbing your nose at the law is one thing and, if you honestly feel that the law *is* an ass then I can understand such a stance.

    However, if you are prepared to step outside the law, even on a matter of principle, it them becomes rather hypocritical if you start winging about others who step outside the law because they feel strongly about an issue.

    In a radio interview yesterday, I heard Mr Slater telling the audience that he’d gone to police and was going to deliver a summary of information he’d collected about those who were effectively cyber-bullying him.

    Oh Cam, grow a spine!

    If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen mate.

    It’s a really bad look to thumb your nose at the law and then go running like a sniveling kid to that same authority whenever someone says nasty things to you.

    No, I don’t condone the actions of anyone who launches DOS attacks against a website or who engages in cyberbullying — but surely you’ve got enough functioning brain cells to realise that if you piss people off enough (perhaps by calling them “feral”) then they may choose to bite back.

    What’s more, since you have put yourself *above* the law on at least one occasion, don’t you think that those who you do piss off might feel they also have a right to put themselves above the law too?

    But, you can’t man-up, at least stop being such a damned hypocrite!

    http://www.aardvark.co.nz/

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  329. LesleyNZ (20 comments) says:

    I have liked the wrong comment! How do you undo a vote?

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  330. jackinabox (555 comments) says:

    Slater killed the Truth and now it looks like he’s killed himself. Darwin wins again.

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  331. LesleyNZ (20 comments) says:

    How many of you commenting have actually read the feral post? If not, here it is in cached version. Apart from the header and the last sentence Cam Slater says what most of us think about those who drive cars dangerously and then flee from police and then the media subtlety makes it seem as if the resulting accident is the fault of police action. In the last sentence the word feral should have been plural to make more sense and added the word “one’ – “The person I feel most sorry for is the home owner who now has a smashed vehicle in the side of his house left by some ferals, one who checked out in the process.”
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3AfoRvGZ2uxy0J%3Awww.whaleoil.co.nz%2F2014%2F01%2Fferal-dies-greymouth-world-favour%2F+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nz

    Feral dies in Greymouth, did world a favour
    by Cameron Slater on January 25, 2014
    The NZ Herald has this headline:

    But upon reading the story you find that there wasn’t actually a police chase.
    One person is dead and another seriously injured after a car fled police in Greymouth last night.
    A police patrol saw a white Subaru station wagon being driven south along High St at high speed around 11pm. The constable turned on his lights and siren and pulled out to follow the vehicle. The driver did not stop.
    High St veers left about 600 metres from where the vehicle was first seen and the officer quickly lost sight of the car.
    When he came around the bend he found the car had crashed into a house on the left hand side of the street.
    There were three people in the vehicle. One died at the scene and a second was trapped inside the vehicle for some time and suffered serious injuries. The third person suffered only minor injuries.
    There was significant damage to the house, however no one was home at the time.
    Police have launched a homicide investigation and a serious crash investigator is at the scene.
    Fairfax didn’t do much better, this is their headline.

    Really? Come on…Deadly house smash?
    Why don’t the news agencies put headlines that match the stories…some feral tried to evade the police, they wound up dead by smacking into some innocent homeowners house. But instead the media try to lay the blame with the police.
    The person I feel most sorry for is the home owner who now has a smashed vehicle in the side of his house left by some feral who checked out in the process.

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  332. xy (151 comments) says:

    After the Luminaries stunt, I am completely willing to believe that Slater is faking his own DDOS.

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  333. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9666180/Selfish-fleeing-drivers-trail-of-destruction

    Oh look, another one! Can we call this one a feral? It should be fine, it’s not like anyone died!

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  334. Shunda barunda (2,965 comments) says:

    I read some of the bizarre semi-literate abuse on Whale’s Facebook page last night. A few of the abusers, all from the West Coast, were essentially claiming that if anyone dissed someone from the Coast then Coasters would form an angry mob and dish out a bashing. Plus gang rape and a bunch of other really vile stuff. And that is just the way they do things on the Coast.

    No it isn’t, it is what the pissed off lower classes do in any part of NZ.

    No one from the West Coast stepped in to say “whoa… we’re not a bunch of violent vigilantes, so just shut the fuck up guys”.

    Because not everyone on the West Coast can be bothered with petty pathetic facebook fights, unlike Cameron Slater who continued to wind them up along with some of his friends.

    So I’m left with an impression that the West Coast is what society would be like if it were run by gangs.

    Then you are an ignorant fuckwit.

    Where if you look at someone wrong on the streets, then a mob of screeching inbreeds are going to assault you. And then they’ll claim they had to assault you to prove they aren’t violent or something. You expect this sort of thing if you make a crack about Mohammed in Pakistan. I don’t want to visit some Pakistani ghetto full of religious nutbars just waiting for an excuse to riot and kill a few outsiders. I think I’ll stay away from the West Coast, too.

    Good, fuckwits like you don’t deserve to appreciate the magnificent scenery and good people over here, now go lock yourself in your panic room and try not to be so paranoid.

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  335. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    No it isn’t, it is what the pissed off lower classes do in any part of NZ.

    Shunda barunda, putting a young child “on the block” ?

    That is not the West Coast I know ! Calm down.

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  336. LesleyNZ (20 comments) says:

    I believe the correct term for someone who flees police in Hamilton is Bogan. NewstalkZB gets it right. “Fleeing driver smashes into house” http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbcri/1617524616-fleeing-driver-smashes-into-house

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  337. ChardonnayGuy (1,131 comments) says:

    It might have been somewhat insensitive of Cam to bring up the issue of the “feral” in question, given that person’s family were mourning the loss of a loved one no doubt, but it is reprehensible and disgusting that his attackers have made death threats against him, and even worse, targeted his children. There are some lines that civil and rational political debate does not cross. I certainly agree with David- one hopes that this matter is in the hands of the police and that the culpable individuals are charged over this. I utterly condemn the actions of these barbarians.

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  338. Shunda barunda (2,965 comments) says:

    Shunda barunda, putting a young child “on the block” ?

    While I can’t recall a single instance of “block rapping” reported on the West Coast, I can recall a tremendous amount of horrific child abuse coming from the rest of NZ.

    Perhaps before we get these labels attached to us (just because we are the most isolated region) you should take a look in your own ugly back yards.

    The West Coast has one of the lowest crime rates in the country.

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  339. mungle (1 comment) says:

    Minus all the threats he is getting, I bet whale is rolling about like a pig in the sty. He’s made it big time. Someone is pissed off and if they think shutting him down is going to make the whale upset and his followers leave him, they have another thing coming. Because he will be back! The amount of interest this Doss attack is gathering will have double the numbers visiting Whaleoil when he gets back online. And any company advertising with him will be happy too, a few days offline compared to what will be when he is back up makes up for any annoyance. Dang I’d be advertising big time if I had a product needing pushing. Anyways, my take on the whole thing.

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  340. grumpy (240 comments) says:

    As an ex West Coaster, I agree that it has a higher rate of “ferals” to most other parts of the country – mainly imports from other places where life has become too tough for them. However, some of the nicest, fair and generous people you would ever meet live in the Coast and there is a higher proportion of them too.
    The genuine West Coaster is the salt of the earth.
    My opinion is that Cam was probably more right than wrong and the mother’s actions are proof of that, his mate’s threats just the icing on the cake.
    …..but I cannot get over the stupidity of some commenters that the DdOS attack is linked. There is no logic for that and the West Coast “ferals” certainly would not have the ability or resources to carry it out.
    The proof of that is the “usual suspect” leftie posters here repeatedly asserting the link, almost as if some political persuasion was just looking for a convenient smokescreen to launch the DdOS attack.

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  341. Dave Mann (1,168 comments) says:

    The Whale is back now….. but the latest post showing is Jan 28th. I can’t wait to read what Cam has to say about all this palaver, hehehe. Hmm…. did he have to pay a ransom? Will he have to retract something…. or did he just manage to overcome the DDoS by some other means? Anyway…. welcome back. You’r a bastard, but you’re OUR bastard hahahaha!!! :D

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  342. niggly (799 comments) says:

    LesleyNZ (13 comments) says:

    January 30th, 2014 at 9:32 am

    How many of you commenting have actually read the feral post? If not, here it is in cached version.

    Lesley, thanks that’s very interesting, as I hadn’t read the WO post before the DoS attack etc.

    So if we look at the actual NZ Herald article that Cameron based his story on, there was NO mention of whom the deceased was (in other words Cameron couldn’t have known the deceased was one of the Pike River tragedy brothers i.e. he wasn’t trying to be insensitive to one of the Pike River families when he wrote his article)!
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11191911

    And his WO article is correct in that the MSM mis-report police car chase deaths by blaming the Police or never blaming the perpetrators etc.

    And it is still happening – Radio NZ news this week repeatedly mentioned the death and “feral” comments without any context to WO’s original article.

    Don’t the MSM just simply stink at times?

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  343. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    While I can’t recall a single instance of “block rapping” reported on the West Coast, I can recall a tremendous amount of horrific child abuse coming from the rest of NZ.

    Shunda barunda , like I said, that is not the Coast I know.

    I like the Coasters and I reckon Cam showed really bad form. But that was never my point.

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  344. LesleyNZ (20 comments) says:

    Niggly – I found the post very easily – MSM could have. I see that Whaleoil is online again so we shall see.

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  345. Barnsley Bill (974 comments) says:

    Anybody that has not already heard it should immediately go and listen to the voice messages that the dead kids mother left on Cams phone….
    Charming.

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