What the DPB will pay under Labour

January 28th, 2014 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

’s baby bribe doesn’t just apply to those working and earning $148,000 a year, but also to those not in work.

One thing that interested me is how much money would someone on the Sole Earner Benefit receive under Labour with their new policy. This excludes childcare subsidies or the like, and is just direct payments. For someone in Auckland and with 1 or 2 children it would be:

  • DPB $295
  • Accom Supplement $160 (1) or $225 (2)
  • Family Tax Credit $98 (1) or $166 (2)
  • Baby Bribe $60

That is a total of $613 a week in the hand if they have one child aged under 3 and $746 in the hand for two children under three.

If you gross that up to an equivalent pre-tax wage, that is around $37,500 if you have one child and $45,700 if you have two children on the DPB.

The Greens would go further. They want the IETC for working parents paid to those on the DPB also. That would increase the equivalent gross salary to $41,000 for being on the DPB and having one child, if you are receiving the maximum accommodation supplement in Auckland.

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62 Responses to “What the DPB will pay under Labour”

  1. nickb (3,675 comments) says:

    I think you mean the IWTC David.

    Interesting post though. $746 in the hand for 2 children is definitely a lot. That is surely well above the mean NZ wage.

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  2. tvb (4,255 comments) says:

    The Labour Party is incentivising a solo mother on the DBP to have another child while supposedly a solo parent. Let us see how that goes down with the public.

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  3. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    To get the money to fund this lunacy taxes will have to be hiked to between 42-45% for top earners.
    Taxes all over the place are socialist Labour’s hallmark.

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  4. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    It only applies to new babies born after April 2016 and only until they are 3.

    There is a rule that if one is on the sole earner benefit and has a child then the work test applies when the child is 1.

    A working mother would get the MW for 6 months with a new child.

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  5. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    nickb, those on wages in Auckland also get the Accommodation Supplement at this rate. And the family tax credit. Also the IWTC that those on a benefit do not get.

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  6. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    If you are a young uneducated Kiwi woman with no apparent career prospects, what would you sensibly choose ?:

    1. A boring minimum wage job that might be dirty and hard work, with no social status ?

    2. Or a reasonable income for doing nothing, with special victim status ?

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  7. tom1980 (36 comments) says:

    This is pathetic. Six years in opposition and the best Labour can come up with is a bunch of tax-payer funded election bribes. The left really is brain dead.

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  8. dime (9,666 comments) says:

    More money for the 90,000 on the dpb? Sweet. Rents go up. Dime makes more money as they buy my quality products.

    Thank god someone is thinking of the children

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  9. RightNow (6,842 comments) says:

    It’s difficult to ensure all kids have the necessities without encouraging people to breed for the welfare income, but we need to seriously work out how to. Idiocracy here we come.

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  10. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    This is a very conservative estimate- Experienced Beneficiaries will claim all this and more in terms of ‘Emergency’ grants and weekly top-ups. Plus Child support on top of all this…
    I worked briefly at WINZ after Varsity- It wasn’t unusual to see DPB recipients clearing 800 plus a week…(A bit depressing as I was earning nowhere near this!)

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  11. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    dime, no one on the DPB now qualifies. Anyone trying to qualify would be subject to a work test within one year.

    tom, if this was an election bribe it is unlikely to be successful as few would qualify for any help.

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  12. Rich Prick (1,633 comments) says:

    This will serriously crank up “poverty” in NZ. Beneficiaries earning so much that they will send ordinary hard working New Zealanders below the new “poverty-line”.

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  13. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    I am on just over $74,000 a year as a salary, and what that family would receive in benefits is almost twice what I pay in tax a week! That is simply not sustainable!

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  14. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    longknives, child support does not go to those on the DPB, emergency grants are very occasional now and are repaid.

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  15. Huevon (211 comments) says:

    This sort of thing just must stop….

    “The institution of single mommery — and let there be no doubt that the equalists are attempting to elevate the single mom lifestyle to an honored place in American society — is a cancer on civilization. Single moms who are in their predicament by choice or by cumulative bad decisions are vectors of societal disease, bearing with them the rotten fruit of a new generation of misfits, degenerates, orcs and orc-incubators. They are not to be lauded; they are to be shunned. Ridiculed. Insulted. Shamed. Driven from the body politic like a virus, surrounded by healthy white blood cells and cordoned off from the functioning of vital organs. As a lesson for the others who may be teasing with the idea of following the same malignant life path.”

    – Roissy
    http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/01/21/wendy-davis-iconic-american-woman/

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  16. flash2846 (224 comments) says:

    Generous DPB (SEB)

    The figures above are just the basic stuff; added to that are: disability allowances, ‘additional support’, all medical paid for, clothing allowances, fees allowances, assistance with appliances, telephone (for women only), some HP’s, bonds for renters, any unforeseen expenses and power if the beneficiary gets behind.

    I know – been there done that for almost a year.

    There are also many situations where the children are officially spread among Mom, Dad and Granny with all three on the SEB; of course the reality is that fraud is being committed.

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  17. burt (8,030 comments) says:

    RowiWoR

    I am on just over $74,000 a year as a salary, and what that family would receive in benefits is almost twice what I pay in tax a week! That is simply not sustainable!

    Stop working and vote for Labour – that is what their new policy is screaming at you to do.

    I wonder how many of the people who will be on circa $47,000/year via welfare could actually earn that much if they had a job ?

    Inter-generational welfare is to be further entrenched by Labour assisted by the Green’s – Passport is up to date – Check !

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  18. Shunda barunda (2,966 comments) says:

    This really pisses me off, I don’t know why I fucking bother with my business anymore.

    We’ve had a couple of very lean years, but still have to pay our tax and ACC (because I am too honest with my book work), I can actually see the wide screen tv in my beneficiary neighbors house down the street, it is so big I can watch their sky from 70m away.

    Oh well, I guess this is what NZ is about now, back to the future we go……

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  19. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    The Greens would support this wholeheartedly – they consider that the benefit should be an alternative to work

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  20. EAD (832 comments) says:

    DPF – you do disclose that you are affiliated with the National Party and full credit to you, you will occasionally call them out when you think they are wrong but do you think that your incessant attacks on the absurdity of Labour and in particular the Greens policies are blinding you from the truth that the Nats are on exactly the same course as these parties but at a slower rate?

    If you are to be honest, under the Nats we have had:

    - no serious reform to the unsustainable welfare model
    - subversive transfer of New Zealands wealth via never ending treaty claims
    - massive mal-investment caused by artificially low interest rates creating excessive and unsustainable debts both at an individual and governmental level
    - the ever increasing nanny-state stifling our freedoms
    - extreme levels of immigration that is now putting pressure on infrastructure (particularly Auckland), housing costs, social services and community cohesion
    - continual ignoring of the will of the people when it comes to “conscience vote” decisions that by right should be decided by we the people.

    Just because a train is travelling slower to it’s destination, doesn’t mean arrival at the destination is not going to occur.

    IMHO, electing Labour/Greens instead of the Nats is that rather than slowly boiling to death “comfortably numb,” all of us frogs will boil too quickly and maybe, just maybe the people will recognise what is happening and revolt.

    Until then, it is Colin Craig and the Conservatives for me. He seems to me the only Politician willing to seriously challenge the cosy consensus amongst our political elite and you can tell our left-wing media don’t like it one bit by the continual mis-reporting, smears and bullying we’ve seen of late.

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  21. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    “Thank god someone is thinking of the children”

    dime LOL :)

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  22. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “Emergency grants are very occasional now and are repaid”

    Bollocks they are..

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  23. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    If Labour gets in they will need to invent a word to describe women who get paid for having sex.

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  24. emmess (1,398 comments) says:

    And remember, just a month or two ago these leftists fuckers were bleating that if we had a living wage we wouldn’t have to pay so much in welfare (WFF).
    So what do they do? Massively expand welfare.

    They must think the public are as thick as pig shit but most of us aren’t. The poll on the Herald is running almost 75% against their policy.

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  25. OneTrack (2,818 comments) says:

    ” they consider that the benefit should be an alternative to work”

    They call it a “green job”

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  26. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Talk about tax of envy and pandering to the lowlives of society. Cunliffe and his rainbow brigade have really hit the bottom of the barrel with this disgusting idea. What in hell is next?

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  27. OneTrack (2,818 comments) says:

    “I wonder how many of the people who will be on circa $47,000/year via welfare could actually earn that much if they had a job ?”

    If they weren’t already, some of those on lower wages may be convinced by this policy – tell the boss to eff of so he sacks you and then go on the benefit. Profit.

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  28. OneTrack (2,818 comments) says:

    “What in hell is next?”

    We haven’t really heard from the Greens yet.

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  29. safesally (47 comments) says:

    igm

    Talk about tax of envy and pandering to the lowlives of society. Cunliffe and his rainbow brigade have really hit the bottom of the barrel with this disgusting idea. What in hell is next?

    Funny thing is its not doing much for the jerk’s rainbow constituents, not that many gay’s I know vote Labour.

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  30. dog_eat_dog (761 comments) says:

    This is above the starting wage for most university graduates.

    What the everloving fuck.

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  31. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    safesally: I don’t really know or care what rainbows vote, but looking at the make-up of the Labour caucus, one must assume that it is very representative of these types.

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  32. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    There is a lot of inequity in the system already.

    Mr and Mrs Smith both work and when Mrs Smith takes time off to have a child she is paid the MW by the taxpayer. This to sustain their two incomes while she is off work.

    Mr Brown works and Mrs Brown used to but was laid off and is looking for work – because her partner works she cannot get the dole (half the MW). If she has a child, she gets nothing but the family tax credit and the IWTC (as does Mrs Smith who also gets the MW paid by the taxpayer).

    If one was reconciling the system for greater equity.

    A new universal parent payment.

    All women/stay at home parents with working partners get a dole equivalent payment for the first 6 months.

    This is equivalent to MW paid for 14 weeks as Mrs Smith gets now. But Mrs Brown would also get the same amount.

    Personally I would favour an extension to 1 year, with the option of those returning to work after 6 months taking MW rate payment for 6 months. But that would come in when it was afforded.

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  33. Mobile Michael (432 comments) says:

    In case you are wondering, the living wage is $38,640pa, based on 40 hours a week.

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  34. anticorruptionnz (202 comments) says:

    I work that out at $21.07 per week based on 40 hour week working 52 weeks or $18.02 per hour at the one child rate that’s much better than working if you are a low wage earner. I can see what they are doing they are encouraging the brain dead to breed so that they can win votes.

    I used to work at National women,s in days gone by and saw a family whose mother called her kids Onea , twoa ,threea , looks like the trend may catch on again .. she did say “god said go forth and multiply” – seems like labour thinks its God.

    How about tax cuts fro the rest of us !

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  35. burt (8,030 comments) says:

    Mobile Michael

    In case you are wondering, the living wage is $38,640pa, based on 40 hours a week. not likely to be as popular with low earners as earning more for not working

    There – fixed that description of Labour’s policy for you ;-)

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  36. RRM (9,663 comments) says:

    I suspect we’re going to hear a lot more about printing money quantitative easing between now and election night.

    Governments can pay for anything they like, with money they just magic out of thin air. There are no downsides to this. Vote Labour, simple poor folk!

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  37. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    Breeding cannot be a pathway to income, and family values should not an indication of how much money each kid can get you.

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  38. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Lets cut the BS ! None of this is about children or about “families”. It is not about equality. This is the Man-Ban party. If people focus on what is actually happening, rather that the emotive language about “babies” they will soon see the reality.

    It is entirely about giving money to women so they do not need a man around to help. Left wing feminists see the traditional family as an aid to male hegemony and gender stereotypes. This is money for women, not money for kids. It is a clever trick to have men paying women to sit at home while they work to support them. It is designed to undermine families. Just look at the appalling social and economic mess of the DPB for evidence.

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  39. mara (752 comments) says:

    I don’t see how the Greens can support this baby breeding incentive since they want FAR fewer people on this, or any other Planet. They won’t makes waves about it though because they are desperate for power and know well that supporting Silent T, for now, is their only means of achieving this.

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  40. wiseowl (829 comments) says:

    I think in the provinces where the productive sector carrys on , you will find yourself surrounded by people earning less than $613 in the hand.
    This welfare nonsense has to stop or we will end up like Greece.

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  41. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (837 comments) says:

    Word on the street is people are ready to pay more tax so that people can breed. They are saying we need lots of babies and paying extra tax is our social responsibility. So bros – suck it up and pay and you will feel better.

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  42. Yoza (1,677 comments) says:

    Hah! The way you lot carry on I expect practically everyone commenting on this thread to sell their businesses or quit their jobs and head down to their local WINZ office because going on a benefit is just such a lucrative income.
    I’m pretty sure Farrar shortens Kiwiblogger lives by ratcheting up the blood pressure every time he posts a beneficiary thread, I doubt there is much in the way of cathartic relief gleaned from sneering at imaginary beneficiaries on Kiwiblog.

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  43. RRM (9,663 comments) says:

    First decent pay rise you’ve had for a while Yoza…?

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  44. RightNow (6,842 comments) says:

    Wrong demographic yoza. But I heard Marty Bradbury is looking for a womb for rent

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  45. Yoza (1,677 comments) says:

    The real problem is the DPB means fewer desperate women prostituting themselves and fewer still remaining in abusive relationships, which would go a long way in explaining the antipathy such benefits receive on this blog.

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  46. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    The real problem is the DPB means fewer desperate women “are” prostituting themselves.

    Good work Yoza, you nearly got it all by yourself that time :)

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  47. Northland Wahine (659 comments) says:

    There are women who remain on sole parent support benefit, who continue to prostitute themselves, who continue in abusive relationships. There are those who have “never had a partner” yet collect a SPS benefit.

    There are genuine women and men who use this support as a hands up and not a hand out. But damn, they are but a few….

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  48. jedmo (32 comments) says:

    That was wrong even before the new $60 bribe, now it is just more wrong-headed and iniquitous to those who have to pay for this (moi).

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  49. OneTrack (2,818 comments) says:

    jedmo

    Just keep working and paying those taxes Boxer. Yoza has promised us a bright future. Just around the next corner.

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  50. dime (9,666 comments) says:

    “fewer desperate women prostituting themselves”

    Sounds like a big problem! God forbid women enter into a legitimate career.

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  51. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Northland Wahine, yes and if it were only genuine cases then we could afford to be more generous with benefits, confident in the knowledge we were helping them return back to productive society. The cost to the country would be small. But now it is used as a career option.

    I was recently speaking with an attractive 30 something woman. She is on the dole and also on the game. She has no assets and no place to live. But she has a plan. She is desperately trying to get pregnant. This is a true story and it is not the first time I have encountered it.

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  52. OneTrack (2,818 comments) says:

    mara – “I don’t see how the Greens can support this baby breeding incentive since they want FAR fewer people on this, or any other Planet. ”

    Easy. They are communists first (poverty, inequality, redistribution, blah, blah) and environmentalists second (been a bit quiet on the global warming front recently).

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  53. Northland Wahine (659 comments) says:

    Kea, I believe you, seen it more than once myself. Hell, I’ve had our local rent boys applying for the SPS benefit claiming they are “whangae” parent. Fuck, their faces are priceless when I get shem and the “mother” of the child to both complete a statement that they are not doing this for financial gain And the documents they are signing can be used in court if we suspect them of fraud.

    As yet, I’ve never granted this benefit in this scenario.

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  54. dime (9,666 comments) says:

    “Hah! The way you lot carry on I expect practically everyone commenting on this thread to sell their businesses or quit their jobs and head down to their local WINZ office because going on a benefit is just such a lucrative income.”

    I have no doubts that’s how a piece of shit like yourself thinks. Entitled to other peoples money.

    If the govt said they would match my current income if I went on the bludge I still wouldn’t.

    What kind of man would choose to live on charity?

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  55. burt (8,030 comments) says:

    The kind of man that chooses to live on charity is the kind of man who votes for tax hikes on the rich because he wants more of their tax even though we already have a progressive tax system.

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  56. Yoza (1,677 comments) says:

    The depths of lunacy to which Kiwibloggers are prepared to descend are unfathomable. Apparently, those on the bottom of the socioeconomic heap are living in the lap of luxury while those at the top are struggling away in quiet desperation. Staggeringly, those who live in the pampered opulence of the benefit system actually envy the miserable existence of the wealthy few in their ramshackle mansions.

    Seriously team, there were nutters in Bedlam who had a firmer grasp on reality.

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  57. Mobile Michael (432 comments) says:

    @Yoza – If you think increasing benefit dependency is a way to solve the problems low income people have, instead of encouraging upward income mobility through *gasp* employment then you must live in some sort of parallel universe from the rest of us. If I was 18 now, I’d be in Christchurch begging to begin a trade job in electrical or plumbing or building – instead we’re importing young Irish and Filipino workers by the hundreds.

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  58. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Yoza , a great bit of writing at 9:17pm

    You deserve an accolade for the best comment of the day. In the humorous Fiction category. :)

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  59. mister nui (1,006 comments) says:

    A simple way to counter this absolutely ridiculous policy, is to allow income splitting, it won’t be of any assistance to DPB wenches, but we don’t want to encourage them anyway.

    It also has no administrative cost.

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  60. OneTrack (2,818 comments) says:

    “It also has no administrative cost.”

    Umm, in left-wing land, that is a negative, not a positive.

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  61. RRM (9,663 comments) says:

    It’s interesting to compare the dpb to what some more worthy public employees get:

    Graduate secondary teacher $37,000
    Graduate primary teacher $46,000
    Graduate nurse $47,000

    DPB + baby bribe $45,700

    (Ref: careers.govt.nz)

    What a great set of values!

    Vote Labour: why work, when you can just not work?

    Welcome to Aotearoa/New Zealand; where nurses are worth no more than bludgers! Teachers are worth even less than bludgers!

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  62. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    This is a bloody disgrace, these breeding harlots need sterilising and put to work, repaying the money they have stolen from taxpayers. I did not realise they received this amount from us, being more than many business operators take in drawings, working 80 bloody hours a week, putting up with shit from unions, IRD, ACC, bureaucrats from councils and government departments, all sorts of compliance costs, it never stops. Best vote Labour and leech, it may be a better option.

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