Why not free dinners also?

January 26th, 2014 at 2:41 pm by David Farrar

Claire Trevett at NZ Herald writes:

The Green Party has launched its election year today by announcing the $90 million a year package for low decile schools, including free after school care and holiday programmes, free lunches, and school nurses in every decile 1-4 primary and intermediate school.

So the want schools to provide free breakfasts to all kids, free lunches also, and free after school care. Why stop there? Surely schools should also be required to provide free dinners also? And look by 7 pm, the kids are tired, so maybe look after them for the night also – as well as for the holidays.

 

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96 Responses to “Why not free dinners also?”

  1. Scott (1,759 comments) says:

    Just what I said when National started funding breakfast in schools. Once we get Greens and Labour they will push the programme and make it even bigger. National should never have started funding breakfast.

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  2. Joanne (177 comments) says:

    Why not take all responsibility away from parents. Sheesh.

    If they do that they need to reduced any family tac credits and benefits by the same amount and stop incentivising them to have more kids.

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  3. Cactus Kate (549 comments) says:

    If the Greens believe these parents are this bloody useless why doesn’t the State just take the kids off them all and put them up for adoption? Would be a far more sensible solution.

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  4. David Farrar (1,881 comments) says:

    Cactus:Maybe that is their plan. Have the school look after them for breakfast and lunch, and also after school care and then dinner, and from there a short step to having them live at the school!

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  5. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    relying on the state to take care of society isn’t green; the state is inefficient, requires payment of care givers and doesn’t have intimate knowledge. Society has been taking care of itself for 100,000 years. The Green Party model of how society should run is an inefficient clunker.

    Radio Green Party has ran with two of it’s lead news items so far today.
    I see I have more time: Those Greens are left-wing narcissisits.

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  6. TimG_Oz (925 comments) says:

    Didn’t Communist countries take complete responsibility for raising children by putting them into camps/farms where they could be totally indoctrinated into ways of great nation building.

    Of course the government is totally responsible for any bad parenting.

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  7. Jim (407 comments) says:

    They could go even further and play out their redistributive policy in schools to stamp out inequality. It’s already done in the income-earning years so why not start sooner?

    Have the decile 9 and 10 students do the homework of the decile 1-4 students, and also sit their examinations for them.

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  8. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    The focus on inequality hides an underlying pattern involving incentives and reciprocity. Turie thinks hand outs will fix everything. Labour forgets workers can be conservative in their thinking (they don’t represent workers).

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  9. Cunningham (836 comments) says:

    Very slippery slope. Where does it end? Parental responsability means nothing to them.

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  10. Carlos (687 comments) says:

    I’ve corrected the propaganda.

    “The Green Party has launched its election year today by announcing the $90 million a year package for low decile schools, including FULLY TAX PAYER AND / OR DEBT FUNDED after school care and holiday programmes, FULLY TAX PAYER AND / OR DEBT FUNDED lunches, and school nurses in every decile 1-4 primary and intermediate school.”

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  11. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Kiwis LOVE unaffordable election bribes. The Klarken Beast proved this many times just look at the ruinous working for families hand out. No struggling family is going to say no to free-stuff.

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  12. tvb (4,311 comments) says:

    Feeding a few hungry kids is no bad thing but the vast majority of voters do not care that much for this kind of thing. They are not going to vote Green because of it. What not give their parents booze and cigarettes and why not fund an overseas trip as well. This is meant to be their answer for the Government’s initiative on failing schools but the Government’s initiative will benefit ALL pupils and schools. The Greens are only interested in low decile schools which get extra funding anyway.

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  13. jcuk (663 comments) says:

    I seem to remember that there was an Israeli practice of separating children from their parents so the parents could be more productive … eventually it proved to be a serious mistake.

    So I think the Greens are on to something good here so long as the concept doesn’t escalate as those above suggest and fear.

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  14. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    The leeches that support them will love this . . . breed up large, get huge benefits, and spend it all in the pubs and out drugging and socialising while the hard-hit taxpayers do all the supporting. Effen scum.

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  15. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (866 comments) says:

    The best joke is Labour has given this nutty scheme its seal of approval. Considering these clowns are odds on favourite to win 2014 election, NZ deserves them….

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  16. Joanne (177 comments) says:

    The Greens are breeding another generation of irresponsible adults.

    Irrespective of feeling about John Banks politics, as a kid he used to go around and collect empty bottles to redeem so he could survive at school. And that was before the great welfare state.

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  17. Cunningham (836 comments) says:

    Jcuk you don’t think parents should have to feed their children? What exactly do you think parents should be responsible for when raising children?

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  18. Yoza (1,763 comments) says:

    Brilliant! They can afford it by scrapping all subsidies to the ‘independent’ schools. Feeding these kids will do more to improve educational outcomes than anything else.

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  19. NK (1,199 comments) says:

    The Greens obviously accept failure. This is what this says. The Greens have never had any ideas on how to actually correct the problem, apart from “let’s just give them stuff”. Wow. Brilliant. I bet it took the whole caucus to come up with that one.

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  20. Cunningham (836 comments) says:

    Yoza do you think dinner should also be provided for the children in after school care? If not then explain to us why not. The way this policy takes all responsibility away from the parents makes me sick. As i said before where does it end???

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  21. duggledog (1,486 comments) says:

    90 million will blow out to 500 million before you can say ‘shitty deep fried food’

    You see Yoza, this is all 90 million will buy – after the election when everything has been forgotten, the Greenies will insist on 100% organic, and off we will go.

    Effectively, 90 million will buy low decile kids the sort of white bread shit that makes them sick and unhealthy in the first place. So the costs will balloon out of control but once it’s part of the landscape, it’s done

    Guarantee it.

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  22. Fisiani (1,021 comments) says:

    Labour and the Greens will try to bribe voters. It will only get worse. They think that people will sell their vote to the highest bidder. Essentially they are saying to the parents of every decile 1-4 school that taxpayers will fork out $25 a week and save them from the burden of making school lunches for the children they love and leave $25 in their pocket to buy more booze, cannabis and smokes. How many will sell their vote? Buying votes. Free food today at Waitangi Park. Buying votes.

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  23. kowtow (8,113 comments) says:

    scott is onto it.

    National funding breakfast,Greens lunch.

    Proves that the Nats are on the same socialist continuum…….just not quite as far as the Greens.

    And they supported other far left Green and Labour policies in terms of “equality”……children and discipline and the marriage parody bill.

    Cultural marxism runs deep in the Nats.

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  24. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    How about simply taxing the punitive taxes off smokes and booze so the families can afford to feed the kids better ? They are big advocates of taxing the poor in this way.

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  25. Mags (38 comments) says:

    Why is no one asking the question – if you can’t feed and raise your children, why are you even having them in the first place?

    If you’re just breeding for the state handouts and to ultimately hand the responsibility of raising your children to the state then something is terribly wrong.

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  26. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The comrades are expanding heaven-on-Earth Labour Lite’s program. What a surprise!
    Another lamentable exercise in imbecility, futility, and nanny-statism.

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  27. BeaB (2,104 comments) says:

    Just imagine those poor kids – stuffed full of muesli and bean sprouts – wind and gas all day. Pity the teachers.

    Roll on the watermelon state – we know best how to feed, educate and raise your kids and will make sure the State takes over.

    And Metiria will waddle round in her $4000 designer jackets to wag her finger and show us how the elites live.

    Roll on the revolution.

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  28. greenjacket (449 comments) says:

    Mags: comment of the day.
    If people are choosing to have children when they can neither afford to have milk and weetbix every morning, then those people clearly lack the responsibility to have children at all.

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  29. johnwellingtonwells (137 comments) says:

    My grandchildren don’t like mung beans. They prefer steak and chips

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  30. alwyn (409 comments) says:

    They cannot offer dinner to the kids in addition to breakfast and lunch. There isn’t any food left. Russel had to take what was left after Metiria crammed herself up to Coatesville. KDC wouldn’t give him an audience unless he provided him with a decent feed, and you have seen just how big that fellow is, haven’t you?

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  31. Rob at Polity (8 comments) says:

    Really? “The State abducting kids from their parents is awful, therefore the status quo is great.” This is all you lot have? Could be time for National to spring for some more focus groups on this one.

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  32. Steve (North Shore) (4,538 comments) says:

    And when the kids grow up, they will all vote Labour/Green as thanks for taking care of them.
    Way to go commies!

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  33. BeaB (2,104 comments) says:

    How do the Greens promote this as ‘free’? Someone has to pay. Guess who that will be.

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  34. Pete George (23,418 comments) says:

    APNZ reports Ms Turei told the audience at the annual ‘Picnic of the Planet’ event in Wellington that the Green Party could no longer be described as a ‘fringe’ party and it was ready to govern.

    But is New Zealand ready for the Greens to govern?

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  35. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Awesome! We are going to spit out a few kids and put the missus on the DPB….We will be creaming it now that the Government pays for everything and wipes our kid’s bums! Sky City every night here we come!!

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  36. tvb (4,311 comments) says:

    There’s she goes the Amply fed Green co-leader in her expensive clothing, her cars her ample use of Greenhouse producing aircraft telling us all how to live. I bet one thing her Greenhouse footprint will be vastly bigger than mine.

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  37. NK (1,199 comments) says:

    From the Horrid article:

    Ms Turei also said reducing inequality would be the Greens’ primary focus in the election year. She said the party’s time had come to be part of a Government, and although it recognised it would have to compromise for that to happen, it would not compromise on its values such as reducing inequality.

    This dispels any notion the Greens are concerned about the environment. They’re a socialist party and have completely drifted away from their environmental agenda.

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  38. OneTrack (2,962 comments) says:

    “My grandchildren don’t like mung beans. They prefer steak and chips”

    Well your grandchildren might be out of luck. cattle will be banned due to global warming. You grandchildren WILL learn to like mung bean soup. Secretary Turei demands it.

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  39. OneTrack (2,962 comments) says:

    “But is New Zealand ready for the Greens to govern?”

    A big part of the electorate seems to want to give it a go. What could go wrong?

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  40. kiwigunner (230 comments) says:

    I like the Greens ideas far better than Key’s plan to pay 250 principals already earning around $150k an extra $40k for two days a week work in other schools (it’s not extra work they are just not in their schools).

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  41. Grendel (987 comments) says:

    anyone think that this ‘policy’ (its really just a bribe and a move towards more state intervention) will cost anything less than at least 3 times what they ‘project’ it will cost?

    but then, like the greens care what things cost, they can just tax people more, that will solve everything.

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  42. RightNow (6,961 comments) says:

    Yoza (1,133 comments) says:
    January 26th, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    Brilliant! They can afford it by scrapping all subsidies to the ‘independent’ schools.

    How much do ‘independent’ schools receive in subsidies? Will closing down all the ‘independent’ schools and moving their students to state schools save any money?

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  43. srylands (404 comments) says:

    “Could be time for National to spring for some more focus groups on this one.”

    Good idea. The focus groups would show that many voters resent having the role of schools usurped into feeding and nursing lots for the children of the feckless. If a child is regularly turning up at school hungry and neglected, a remedial team should be sent into the HOME to investigate. Schools have enough problems running education provision.

    On a related topic, can you go and chat to your mate Lyne Prentice and explain that your inequality analysis [sic] was crap after all, and that he should apologise for calling me a fucking fuckwit munter?

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  44. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    I like the Greens ideas far better than Key’s plan to pay 250 principals already earning around $150k an extra $40k for two days a week work in other schools (it’s not extra work they are just not in their schools).

    I couldn’t agree more. Paying Principals an extra $40k will simply widen the existing inequality. National cannot be confident of its success because Heck Yeah was nowhere to be seen.

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  45. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    he should apologise for calling me a fucking fuckwit munter?

    Oh I think that’s a great moniker for a defunct economist. :)

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  46. BeeJay (71 comments) says:

    Very, very scary

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  47. srylands (404 comments) says:

    “Oh I think that’s a great moniker for a defunct economist.”

    Ross, in a civilised society, it is not a great moniker for anyone. That is the problem at The Standard. The typical poster is unemployed, on a benefit, addicted to tobacco, and lives in a state house. They are volatile, confused, and extremely nasty. As I have learned, they are beyond reasoned debate and not worth engaging with on any level.

    Anyway you can get fucked. There is nothing defunct about me.

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  48. Zapper (1,002 comments) says:

    Ross is so right. Inequality is very bad, regardless of whether it’s caused by a brilliant principal being paid more than a slack jawed yokel. Pay them the same dammit, and the fuck the kids who will suffer.

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  49. big bruv (13,660 comments) says:

    If the stinking Greens really wanted to buy some votes then all they would have to do is promise that all Rugby tests would be back on free to air TV.

    Imagine how many bludgers would vote for them on the basis of that.

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  50. Paul Marsden (991 comments) says:

    All about power and appealing to the lowest common denominator… Nothing else. Cloudcookooland stuff.

    MMP, the way NZ wants it. Kiss your arse goodby if these lunatics ever get into power.

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  51. Yoza (1,763 comments) says:

    Cunningham (690 comments) says:
    January 26th, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    Yoza do you think dinner should also be provided for the children in after school care? If not then explain to us why not. The way this policy takes all responsibility away from the parents makes me sick. As i said before where does it end???

    Yes. It is not only those children who are going hungry who are failing as a consequence, these children are causing problems for the other kids who are well fed. It is ok if your kids go to a high decile school and this kind of thing is not an issue, if they go to a lower decile school then they risk being subject to the disruptive behaviour of hungry, angry kids.

    duggledog (937 comments) says:
    January 26th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    90 million will blow out to 500 million before you can say ‘shitty deep fried food’

    You see Yoza, this is all 90 million will buy – after the election when everything has been forgotten, the Greenies will insist on 100% organic, and off we will go.

    Speculative nonsense. Although, even $500,000,000 would be a small price to pay if it meant we could guarantee every kid in New Zealand was being well fed. It is not as if the $500,000,000 would be disappearing out of the country like money fritted away on paying foreign firms to build ferries or trains, the money would be circulating through the New zealand economy.

    BeaB (1,864 comments) says:
    January 26th, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    Roll on the revolution.

    Every day is another day closer.

    RightNow (6,014 comments) says:
    January 26th, 2014 at 6:19 pm

    How much do ‘independent’ schools receive in subsidies? Will closing down all the ‘independent’ schools and moving their students to state schools save any money?

    According to Catherine Delahunty

    Meanwhile, private schools received over $57m of Government funding in 2011 to be kept afloat, with small class sizes being their draw-card for paying parents…

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  52. Zapper (1,002 comments) says:

    Jesus Bruv, that would be a terrible outcome. Then you’d actually see the team play that you hate so much and would realise why they’re #1. Your world view would be screwed :)

    To be fair, I love your hate of the Greens. I haven’t forgotten your posts pre-2011 though “Mark my words, the Greens will not get 5%”. I’ll forgive you by assuming you didn’t predict the incompetence of Labour.

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  53. kiwigunner (230 comments) says:

    Key’s $40k bribe to one in 10 principals already earning $150k or so per annum mirr!iors paying bank executives who caused the GFC millions of dollars more than their workers. Worked there didn’t it

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  54. Zapper (1,002 comments) says:

    Yeah it must be a bribe. Rewarding the best performers…yep, bribe.

    Your hero Clinton caused the GFC. But you’ll never accept that.

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  55. dime (9,788 comments) says:

    lmao i love how you lefty puppets just embrace whatever youre told. i suspect we will hear the word “inequality” 4 million more times this year..

    i also laugh when i hear “its only 90 million”. yeah, 90 million taken by state force.

    once again – why dont we just have the left tax code. whatever your tax code is now, they add a new one with a big L on it. the state takes an extra 10-20% and the govt spends it one their vanity projects. sorted. im sure the generous left would fully embrace it.

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  56. Athena (10 comments) says:

    Srylands- ‘confused and extremely nasty’ . You just described yourself!

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  57. Bob R (1,358 comments) says:

    ***”But’s that’s a challenge because a poor kid here is less likely to do well at school than a poor kid in almost any other developed country.”***

    Really? Do poor Asian kids do worse? The reality is that this country has a range of ethnic groups with different distributions of ability. You’re always going to have inequality in education in such a society. You get the same thing in the US, with Asian, European, African-American and Hispanic groups.

    Implications of cognitive differences for schooling within diverse societies Gottfredson, L. S. (2005). Pages 517-554 in C. L. Frisby & C. R. Reynolds (Eds.), Comprehensive Handbook of Multicultural School Psychology. New York: Wiley.

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  58. dime (9,788 comments) says:

    if this lump of shit policy does get through i will bet money it changes nothing.

    the left will just say “it works, but we need more money for blah blah”. then another giant project, doomed to failure, will kick off.

    i dont know how any sane person votes for them. i figure they are either

    a) – a disgraceful human being that finds it too hard to give their own small child a sandwich.
    b) – the typical victim aka lets make the world as miserable as we are or
    c) – on the govt tit. new schemes = new money for them to syphon of. the sort of person who cant cut it in the real world but is enough of a shithead to manipulate and fuck with the entire good of the country to advance their own income.

    actually ill chuck in D) – too stupid to know any better. probably the offspring of stupid parents who also lived on hand outs while saying things like “the rich dont pay enough”

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  59. Zapper (1,002 comments) says:

    The scary thing dime, is my girlfriend and her family has voted Green. They are not dependent on the State, and they are very far from stupid. Very very far. When we discuss politics (which we tend to avoid because I say things implying I think they are idiots which obviously ends badly) they actually seem to speak sense and agree with my world view. But they don’t like John Key. A tremendous song by The Killers gives their reasons:

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  60. Paul Marsden (991 comments) says:

    dime (8,173 comments) says:

    January 26th, 2014 at 7:16 pm
    if this lump of shit policy does get through i will bet money it changes nothing.

    Take a deep breath Mr Dime. Its only the ramblings of some loser Australian with his snout in the trough, living off the sweat and toil of New Zealanders. If you think for a moment he is genuinely concerned about this country, then your mistaken. Being a politician in this country, is nothing more than a meal ticket for him

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  61. timmydevo (50 comments) says:

    Many developed western countries provide free lunches.
    They also have higher education results than we do.
    It would also mean employment for more people as the lunches have to be made, delivered etc.

    Saying parental responsibility is needed no longer works. For many, parental responsibility doesn’t exist, or isn’t at the level it should be. Therefore, do we sacrifice the children by leaving them out developmentally, or giving them a fighting chance to make something of their lives?

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  62. Bob R (1,358 comments) says:

    ***Saying parental responsibility is needed no longer works. ***

    I tend to agree – there are many who lack the capacity to plan ahead and arrange meals for their children.

    The question is, if the State is to adopt a more paternalistic role and provide additional support – should it require those people to use contraception?

    http://kidshealth.org/teen/sexual_health/contraception/contraception_depo.html

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  63. dime (9,788 comments) says:

    “It would also mean employment for more people as the lunches have to be made, delivered etc.”

    lmao yeah true! Dime has another plan.

    We are going to sell your house and use the money to provide free milk to the street you used to live in. It will provide employment – truck drivers etc.

    Thanks for your donation.

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  64. timmydevo (50 comments) says:

    Well Dime, as long as they don’t cut your internet so you can get round to comment 8,175.

    Since you’re on a roll (dinner roll perhaps? Hopefully cheap…), can you counter my first point then? If top performing countries around the world provide free lunches, why can’t we?

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  65. dime (9,788 comments) says:

    which top countries provide “free” lunches?

    when did they introduce said “free” lunches?

    are their “free” lunches just another entitlement they cant get rid of?

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  66. Joanne (177 comments) says:

    timmydevo

    I like dime would like to know the countries you mention.

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  67. ZenTiger (426 comments) says:

    I read an argument against binding referendums from a lefty: “People will vote themselves tax cuts”. I wonder how that is different than political parties offering tax cuts, free food and free child care? Child care – because citizens are there to be little work units, not families.

    This policy though is just another example of the State thinking it’s role is to step in and replace parents. The policies are not being created to strengthen families, they are being created to make children commodities that can be raised by any-one, or any group. Such good intentions to fix a visible issue to a minority of kids is at the expense of helping make better families, and has more dangerous side effects that will see the Greens rush to “fix” those problems with more and more state intervention that destroys the concept of the family.

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  68. Mags (38 comments) says:

    Timmydevo – saying parental responsibility is needed, no longer works.

    Ok, so what does need to be done, how do parents accept responsibility for raising their children? Why are ‘parents’ having children that they are incapable of caring for, at a basic level? Isn’t this the primary function of being a parent – ensuring your children are being fed, at the very least?

    It’s all well and good talking about feeding children in schools, but by the time they get there the die has been cast. I don’t know what the answer is, but i think the questions need to be asked about parents capability and capacity to have children.

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  69. slightlyrighty (2,506 comments) says:

    Is it just me? Am I the only one shaking my head trying to get my head around the walking, talking contradiction that is the Green Party?

    Remember that this is the party that criminalises good parents who smack (not bash or beat) their children, but excuse those who do not provide the necessities of life by saying “Don’t worry, we’ll take care of that”

    It is the job of the parent to provide these. If a child goes to school hungry, but their parent smokes, then that parent should be reported. One pack of ciggies is on average, $17.20. My wife takes $20 to the farmers market in Newtown, and comes home with enough eggs, fruit and veg for a week. A Kilo of Rolled Oats is about 7 dollars, and provides a weeks worth of breakfasts, A kilo pack of weetbix is about the same.

    My children have 3 squares a day. That’s the job of my wife and I, not the school, nor the taxpayer. I’m not rich, I just have priorities.

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  70. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    But they don’t like John Key

    I can’t think why. Just because he lies through his teeth and looks after his rich mates, what’s not to like?

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  71. RightNow (6,961 comments) says:

    Yoza

    According to Catherine Delahunty

    Ha ha ha ha ha! You’re citing Mad Cath as a source. Ha ha ha ha! Too much.

    Meanwhile, private schools received over $57m of Government funding in 2011 to be kept afloat, with small class sizes being their draw-card for paying parents…

    The GST alone from private school fees is more than that. You can wear the dunce cap and sit in the corner, stupid boy.

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  72. dime (9,788 comments) says:

    timmy – what do you think would be more efficient..

    tax cuts so parents have more money to spend on food for their kids.

    OR keep taking peoples money and then going out and “employing” all these people to provide “free” lunches?

    im guess the first option – the one that wont require employing new people for the fuck of it.

    do the left think parents whos kids go to decile 1-4 schools are too stupid to feed them?

    or are they overcompensating and creating an entire industry for the 2% or so of kids who dont get breaky?

    and why are there so many fatties at these shit schools?

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  73. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    which top countries provide “free” lunches?

    “School dinner has been free in Swedish elementary and secondary schools since 1973. Normally, the lunch is prepared like a buffet, where pupils serve themselves as much as they want (mainly potatoes/rice, meat/fish and vegetables).”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_meal

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  74. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    ross69, Sweden can afford to do that because it has enough free market capitalism to pay for the socialism.

    You can be sure that our hungry NZ kids have over weight parents. Our poor and hungry are usually dangerously over weight.

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  75. Zapper (1,002 comments) says:

    “Just because he lies through his teeth and looks after his rich mates, what’s not to like?”

    ross, quoting bullshit Labour and Greens lines won’t cut it here. Unless you want to back that up? No? I didn’t think so.

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  76. Zapper (1,002 comments) says:

    What do the parents pay in school fees in Sweden to get these “free” lunches?

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  77. wf (413 comments) says:

    There might be ways around this feeding problem.

    For instance: how about providing 3 meals a day during the school term? The family benefit/WFF could be cut back in order to pay for it and reinstated for the holidays.
    Or how about having term-long school camps ( remember the old health camps? Where needy or sickly kids spent their holidays? ) No family benefit payable. Kids could go home at weekends.

    All the time reducing the various welfare and beneficiary payments, of course. As I remember, it gradually became a matter of shame if your kids were sent to a health camp – and the kids hated the label as well.

    But they generally had a great time while they were away from home, lol.

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  78. Yoza (1,763 comments) says:

    RightNow (6,016 comments) says:
    January 26th, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    Ha ha ha ha ha! You’re citing Mad Cath as a source. Ha ha ha ha! Too much.

    If she is wrong then cite your source which proves your point. According to Radio New Zealand funding for private schools is capped at $45 million. My guess is 2011 was a bad year for private schools, I don’t see any reason Delahunty has to invent figures.

    The GST alone from private school fees is more than that.

    Which really does beg the question: Why are we wasting taxes subsidising the rich in their attempt to inculcate a sense of superiority into their offspring?

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  79. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    ross69, Sweden can afford to do that because it has enough free market capitalism to pay for the socialism.

    Ah the good old government as consumer fallacy. Way to expose your own ignorance.

    School meals are not that big a deal. Lots of countries have them and the world hasn’t ended.

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  80. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    If people are choosing to have children when they can neither afford to have milk and weetbix every morning, then those people clearly lack the responsibility to have children at all

    How are you going to stop them?

    Do you want them to be forcibly sterilised or undergo forced abortions?

    And people say Nazism is dead…

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  81. TimG_Oz (925 comments) says:

    jcuk made this comment and got a lot of downticks:

    I seem to remember that there was an Israeli practice of separating children from their parents so the parents could be more productive … eventually it proved to be a serious mistake.

    The quote is actually totally correct. This was the policy on Kibbutz (not a government policy). It was very much a failure. It was abandoned in many kibbutz.

    jcuk did not deserve the downticks in this instance.

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  82. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    jcuk did not deserve the downticks in this instance

    You must be new here. Most of the commenters are mindless drones who can’t think for themselves. If you imagine them as bots that automatically up vote or down vote according to certain key words or phrases, you won’t go wrong.

    For example “John Key is a brilliant catamite” would likely get a few upticks because most are too dumb to know what “catamite” means or too lazy to google it.

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  83. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Tom Tom Tom you must be a greenie with a condescending piece of shit like you have written above.

    We have technology now to grow kids in a jar so Huxley’s vision has been fulfilled.
    and your

    And people say Nazism is dead…

    or very like the CCP which the greens appear to be channeling

    and you arrogant fuck wit the PM is way too old to be referred to as a Catamite

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  84. Cactus Kate (549 comments) says:

    Can any sympathiser to this ridiculous policy please write down a list of what low income and beneficiary parents are actually expected to pay for if this policy is in force? So far I have the state (ie other taxpayers many with their own kids) paying for the feckless ferals;

    Early childhood education
    Breakfasts
    Lunch
    Primary school education
    Secondary education
    Housing through state stock
    Healthcare as most have a card
    After school babysitters
    ACC levies
    Welfare for families credits for more breeding of kids they can never afford
    Emergency welfare

    I mean seriously do these people still even meet the definition of parent or are they just merely sperm and egg donors?

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  85. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Cactus Kate: These ideas, along with scum they appeal to, are reason why this country is in the pooh socially. People are working the gutses out, paying inflated rates, taxes, ACC levies, compliance costs, GST, etc, only to see losers like Greens/Labour come out and say they are going to give the leeches who breed for money, don’t work, and live lives of entitlement, more free education benefits, and anything else to try and get to the Treasury benches. If this happens you will see unemployment as has never been envisaged in this country. Many large employers/companies already have contingencies in place in the event of this happening.

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  86. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Can any sympathiser to this ridiculous policy

    You lost me at that point. As you know, household income is intimately related to educational achievement. This government is unconcerned with raising the incomes of the low paid which of course means that it’s unconcerned with the educational achievement of kids born to the low paid. Hence the need for the Greens policy.

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  87. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    If this happens you will see unemployment as has never been envisaged in this country.

    You’re talking nonsense. Unemployment has skyrocketed since National came to power. In fact, it was at an historical low under the last Labour government.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/unemployment-rate

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  88. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    ross: What would the leeches have done during this latest recession? You, and your ilk, make me sick with your senses of entitlement. Try upskilling, getting out of bed, going into business (lefties know all about it, even Parker), or is that too much to ask! The foul Clark/Cullen losers hid unemployment by appointing bludging public servants at a rate never seen before, putting losers on ACC (and nearly stuffing it), sickness benefits . . . you, like all Labour/Green losers, best get ready to start supporting yourselves, the taxpayers have had a gutsful of your pathetic attitudes.

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  89. OneTrack (2,962 comments) says:

    ros69 – “As you know, household income is intimately related to educational achievement.”

    More hard-left Green Party dogma. You need to get out of the staff room more.

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  90. OneTrack (2,962 comments) says:

    ross69 – “If this happens you will see unemployment as has never been envisaged in this country.

    You’re talking nonsense. Unemployment has skyrocketed since National came to power. In fact, it was at an historical low under the last Labour government.”

    No, he is not. Labour/Greens will punish productive companies and many of them wont be able to weather the onslaught of additional taxation and regulation. Which means they will either reduce staff, move off-shore or close and retire.

    Regarding employment rates since National took over, there IS something called the GFC. Look it up.

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  91. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    ross 69: Lay odds you are either a public servant, beneficiary, or militant unionist. All tarred with same brush!

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  92. Spam (598 comments) says:

    Ironic that in a party committed to removing “inequality” they are only giving free food to “some” schools.

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  93. Disaster Area (41 comments) says:

    I am a teacher and I have seen the effects that non-parenting has on students, to extent of washing their uniforms because of the stench. I have had students in my classes who were sent to school with no food, having had chips for breakfast. I have bought those students lunch with my own money and I would challenge any commenter on here to look those students in the eye and say “I’m not going to give you any food, it’s your parent’s responsibility”. Let’s face it, if you send your kids to school hungry you don’t get personal responsibility. Lecturing people about it will not make any difference.
    There are lots of things I do not want my taxes to be spent on. Feeding kids who are hungry? No issues with that. If they are more able to learn because of a full stomach then they are more likely to pass exams and get a job. Isn’t that what people want?

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  94. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    ross 69: Lay odds you are either a public servant, beneficiary, or militant unionist. All tarred with same brush!

    Actually, I’m self employed and have no union affiliation. Shall I provide my bank details so you can make a substantial deposit? :)

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  95. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Regarding employment rates since National took over, there IS something called the GFC. Look it up.

    Oh I didn’t realise the GFC could be used as an excuse years after it had run its course. Will we be hearing this excuse throughout the election campaign? Probably.

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  96. srylands (404 comments) says:

    “Oh I didn’t realise the GFC could be used as an excuse years after it had run its course.”

    Why?

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