Auckland gets more religious

February 4th, 2014 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

reports:

had the largest percentage of religious people in New Zealand at the 2013 , results from Statistics New Zealand show. The region also had more religious people than at the last , in 2006.

Across New Zealand, the number of people who affiliated with a religion in 2013 fell 5.5 percent since the 2006 Census. Regional data released today shows that this trend was reflected in every region except Auckland, which had a 1.2 percent increase in the number of religious residents.

“Auckland was the only region with more religious people in 2013 than in 2006,” Government Statistician Liz MacPherson said. “It also had the highest proportion of people with a religion, at 59.6 percent, though this fell from 63.5 percent in 2006. Nationally, 55.0 percent of the population had a religious affiliation in 2013.”

I wonder why this is. A few theories.

  1. Most new immigrants come to Auckland, and new immigrants are more likely to be religious than those already here
  2. Auckland is home to more evangelical churches and they are being successful in converting people, especially in South Auckland
  3. Religious types are moving from other areas to Auckland

I think No 1 is most likely.

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94 Responses to “Auckland gets more religious”

  1. Craig (22 comments) says:

    The bible is as true today as the day it was written.

    2013 will be the last census where the majority of people have an imagery friend. People are slowly catching on that all religion is made up.

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  2. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    1.Most new immigrants come to Auckland, and new immigrants are more likely to be religious than those already here

    Must be all those Muslims Kowtow tells us about.

    I blame multiculturalism :)

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  3. Tautaioleua (309 comments) says:

    Auckland is also where most of the population growth for the next 100 hundreds is likely to occur. Hmm does this mean that the country will get even more religious?

    :-)

    God Almighty!

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  4. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    It’s the influence of having a mayor with such strong family values….

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  5. Andrei (2,664 comments) says:

    Well given that the same report says that Southland has the most Christians and that there are increasing numbers of Muslims and Sikhs as Christianity declines over all – it is clearly immigrants and their children that are responsible for increased “religiosity” in Auckland.

    The secular are so dumb they cannot grasp that their ways is cultural suicide – they think they are so clever, wise and sophisticated as they contracept and abort themselves into a footnote in history :)

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  6. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Most new immigrants come to Auckland, and new immigrants are more likely to be religious than those already here

    Most non-western immigrants are more likely to be religious than those already here. Europeans, Canadians and Aussies are no more likely to be religious than we are. As usual, the US is its own planet.

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  7. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    /shrug it’s the census. There’s no test.

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  8. gump (1,650 comments) says:

    @Andrei

    “The secular are so dumb they cannot grasp that their ways is cultural suicide – they think they are so clever, wise and sophisticated as they contracept and abort themselves into a footnote in history”

    ————————-

    There was a Gallup poll in the USA in 2012 that showed that 82% of adult american Catholics believed that contraception was “morally acceptable”. Of the remaining 18% or respondents, 15% thought is was “morally wrong” and 3% thought that it depended on the circumstances.

    Welcome to the 15%. The other 85% of catholics think that you are dumb.

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  9. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Well we can be reasonably sure it is not the heathen hoardes of communist Chinese invading our god-fearing land, so I guess it has to be the Hindus & Muslims responsible for this lurch into mythology and superstition :)

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  10. TheContrarian (1,086 comments) says:

    “The bible is as true today as the day it was written.”

    Indeed, it wasn’t true then and isn’t now

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  11. kowtow (8,524 comments) says:

    Multiculturalism is great.

    I can’t wait for the atheists ,immigration proponents and libertarians to get up in arms over the call to prayer 5 times a day from the huge new mosques that the Saudis will be funding soon in Auckland.

    Diversity,soooooooo enriching.

    And to you dumb fucks who can’t stop bible bashing,it’s not the Christians you have to worry about.

    Allahu Akbar.

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  12. nasska (11,589 comments) says:

    At least the nutters are staying north of the Bombay Hills.

    There’s never been a better time to build the 21st century equivalent of Hadrian’s Wall. :)

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  13. Reid (16,523 comments) says:

    Most non-western immigrants are more likely to be religious than those already here.

    Yes. That’s because they haven’t been subjected to the same social engineering memes the west have over the past hundred or so years. They had to destroy the base, you see. Satanism and Christianity don’t mix.

    P.S. Interesting isn’t it that theory # 1 refers to the fact most new migrants settle in Akld, yet somehow at one and the same time, such settlement patterns have absolutely no effect on property prices, which apparently, are all to do with land availability. Isn’t that peculiar. And convenient, since pointing to it would create a huge political issue. Best to point at something else. Don’t scare the horses.

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  14. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Oh dear.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbnat/1906962463-syrian-refugees-will-be-resettled-here

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  15. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    Auckland gets more religious ? Seriously, we’re using that as a headline?

    The stats linked from this page show a decline in “religious” in Auckland from 58.48% last time to 54.54% this time. Please explain to me how this is “more” ?

    Surely all this shows is that Auckland has a greater population growth than the rest of the country.

    An increase in absolute numbers at a slower rate than the growth on population is actually “less”

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  16. Goldsmith (27 comments) says:

    Its because, everybody in Auckland is praying to get rid of Len Brown!

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  17. Crusader (317 comments) says:

    4. People in the rest of New Zealand are smarter than Aucklanders.

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  18. Simon (728 comments) says:

    Whats wrong with Syrians moving here Cha-tard?

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  19. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    kowtow are you aware Muslims believe in the exact same God as you and recognise Jesus as a prophet (unlike Jews) ?

    “Allahu Akbar” = God is great.

    Do you not think God is great ? Maybe we have some common ground on this after all.

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  20. ChardonnayGuy (1,207 comments) says:

    Although, as the census demonstrates over time, total Christian religious observance is declining in the rest of New Zealand, while Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam over the smaller Christian denominations. Actually, David, hypothesis three is probably correct. Ironically enough, Auckland has the largest LGBT community in the country. The largest ‘faith’ category has been ‘no religious observance’ for the last three censuses.

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  21. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Oh look, it’s ♪ Simple Simon … ♫….

    btw your ♪ simpleness … ♫ here’s that policy statement, care to point out the money printing.

    http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/monetary_policy/monetary_policy_statement/

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  22. ZenTiger (435 comments) says:

    The numbers are higher when you add the Green Religion.

    The very popular “end of the world is nigh” Global Warming Warmists adds a few more to the religious count.

    And the Dawkinites “I’m religious about atheism” represents a growing percentage of the population.

    God help us.

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  23. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    What the raw statistics don’t show is the degree of religiosity. Not only do the numbers of religious people keep shrinking the degree of religiousness (on average) has also been reducing – in fact this will have preceded the census trends.

    The key aspect though is that in New Zealand most non-religious, religious and sort of religious people co-exist without caring about who is what faith-wise.

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  24. Odakyu-sen (679 comments) says:

    “The bible is as true today as the day it was written.”

    I suspect that the Bible has been compiled from various sources, edited and translated repeatedly over a long period of time prior to the compilation of the “modern” versions we are familiar with. To say “The bible is as true today as the day it was written” suggests that it emerged whole and complete, in a comparatively short period of time.

    On the other hand, if you are casting back to the 1611 translation that we know as the King James Bible, then I can more easily accept the statement “The bible is as true today as the day it was written.”

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  25. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen, you over thought that. The bible is destructive nonsense and always has been.

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  26. Odakyu-sen (679 comments) says:

    Kea, context is everything.

    Despite its wonderfully theological sentiment, the phrase “Allahu Akbar = God is great” has been getting rather a lot of bad press over the last 20 years. Guilt by association, if you will.

    A similar fate befell the title of Lorenz Diefenbach’s popular novel “Arbeit macht frei,” first published in 1873.

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  27. rangitoto (247 comments) says:

    “the 1611 translation that we know as the King James Bible”. Translation! Bah. The one and only authentic true ™ King James version. Written in proper English just like Jeebiz spoke. None of that foreign muck for me.

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  28. kowtow (8,524 comments) says:

    Context? Too bloody right.
    Whenever I watch the news and see a bomb explosion or some raghead firing an RPG it always seems to be accompanied by “Allahu Akbar”……..

    religion of peace?

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  29. Aredhel777 (290 comments) says:

    “The bible is as true today as the day it was written.”

    Yes, you’re quite right. It still has the power to change this nation.

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  30. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (891 comments) says:

    It is because moral authority Lentils Brown lives there…

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  31. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    Even if you don’t have JESUS CHRIST in your life… after driving a car around Auckland for a few days, you soon will have! ;-)

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  32. Nukuleka (335 comments) says:

    A posting such as this brings out all the tedious nastiness and prejudice of those who fear the power of a religious belief. It is a thing to be celebrated that more folk in Auckland acknowledge the importance of religion in their lives.

    And DPF with his mocking reference to ‘religious types’ leads the fray. He doesn’t really have any influence with the PM and the National party, does he? Please no!

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  33. Twinkletoes (53 comments) says:

    Kea, please correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t Allahu Akbar actually mean God is greater, not God is great, in the sense that Allah is the top dog of all the gods including the Abrahamic ones? Which is why muslims believe that everybody on earth should submit to the laws of Allah and that then, and only then, will there be peace throughout the world.

    So choose your sect now and make sure it is the right one otherwise you will be beheaded bombed or disappeared by your brothers in religion as they are still in major disagreement about which sect is the original and true one laid out by the prophet in the Qur’an. I believe you have about seventy five to choose from.

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  34. ZenTiger (435 comments) says:

    “The bible is destructive nonsense and always has been.”

    Sure Kea, all that “do unto others as you would have them do unto you” is only for sadists and masochists. And the command to love one and other is only going to encourage the Chapmans of the world to shoot the Lennons for even suggesting such a thing.

    Best to stick with Darwin’s “survival of the fittest” – what could possibly go wrong with that?

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  35. nasska (11,589 comments) says:

    Nukuleka

    I doubt that many “fear the power of a religious belief”. It is more that we’ve had a ring full of religious headcases trying to influence the law of the land so that we are all forced to live the pitiful, God saturated existences you seem to favour.

    Basically, just do your own thing & let the rest of do the same.

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  36. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    Best to stick with Darwin’s “survival of the fittest” – what could possibly go wrong with that?

    It worked pretty well for the dinosaurs – for about 130 million years.

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  37. Ryan Sproull (7,205 comments) says:

    Kea, please correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t Allahu Akbar actually mean God is greater, not God is great, in the sense that he is the top dog of all the gods including the Abrahamic ones?

    Twinkletoes, Muslims believe that their God is the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Also that there is only one God.

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  38. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Twinkletoes, you started out ok, but then got sneaky by trying to slip this in: “top dog of all the gods including the Abrahamic ones” and blew it. If there is only one God how can you have a best God ? They also recognise Jesus as a prophet, so what you suggest is clearly nonsense.

    Personally I think all the Abrahamic faiths should piss off back to the desert and fight it out. I am tired of these barbaric ignoramuses dragging down civilised society. All because they are afraid of their own mortality and insignificance. It was excusable when nothing was known about the world and there was no science. It is not excusable now for grown men to indulge in ignorant destructive fantasy worlds.

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  39. mara (788 comments) says:

    Islam is the only “religion” that threatens me because I am an unbeliever. I cannot bring to mind another ascending religious group which wants to publically slit my throat because I do not wish to bow before them. I live in Auckland Central and see thousands of Muslim men leaving the Mosques after “service” every week. I detest the sight of Islamic women at Pak’n’Save Mt Albert covered in black bags and rags. They do not like me anymore than I like them. Why are they here?

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  40. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    ZenTiger , the bible is a dark, sadistic, violent book. If the same rules were applied to it as other works of fiction it would not be allowed in the country, provided any publisher would touch it.

    Now run along and stone to death: homos, rape victims, naughty kids, people who work on the Sabath, non-virgin brides, adulterers, non believers, people who don’t listen to preachers, witches, fortune tellers…

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  41. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    mara,

    How many Muslims have told you that they want to publicly slit your throat ?

    Given that you “see thousands of Muslim men after “service” every week.”

    mara, I want you to be honest with me now :)

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  42. nasska (11,589 comments) says:

    The Pope was arguing with an Atheist about the existence of God and failing to get his point across. They had been arguing for two hours and finally the Pope in frustration sat down.

    “Listen,” said the Pope, “You are like a man in a dark room, with no lights and windows, wearing a blindfold looking for a black cat that isn’t there. What do you say to that?”

    The Atheist thought for a moment.

    “Yes your Holiness, you are probably right,” he said, “but you are also like a man in a dark room, with no lights and windows, wearing a blindfold looking for a black cat that isn’t there. The only difference is, you have found the cat.”

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  43. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    I detest the sight of Islamic women at Pak’n’Save Mt Albert covered in black bags and rags.

    mara is clearly not into Jesus much either and all that love and tolerance. :)

    Do those women you so detest criticise you for dressing like a… you do ?

    Interesting factoid: Kiwi women are the most promiscuous in the world, incredibly having nearly 300% more sex partners than the global average. They are the only country in the world where the women have more partners than the men.

    So I can understand you detesting women who don’t run around half naked inviting an endless stream of sexual encounters. It must be uncomfortable for you.

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  44. kowtow (8,524 comments) says:

    “………Muslims believe that their God is the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Also that there is only one God.”

    That’s cos the desert warlord Mohamed didn’t have many original ideas when he dreamed up his Koranic revelations. Most of it was plagiarised from the Jewish and Christian traditions.

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  45. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    1. mara sees thousands of Muslim men every single week, 52 weeks of the year. Even if there were only three thousand each week that is 156,000 encounters a year ! And that is with religious devout Muslims fresh out of a Mosque !!!

    2. On top of that she sees Muslim women (who she detests) while out shopping.

    3. She has made the claim here on KB tonight that they want to , “publically slit my throat because I do not wish to bow before them.”

    I simply want to know how many times the Muslims have expressed this view to her in all those hundreds of thousands of encounters with practicing Muslims ? :)

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  46. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    So that’s about 13,500 hours of the living wage. He’s cost the rate payers about 6 full time living wage salaries for the inquiry alone. How many living wage equivalents ( henceforth know as ‘LWE (© burt)’ ) are his spin doctors chewing up between them each year?

    RESIGN LEN – YOU ARE A DISGRACE

    Not because you shagged around, tons of people do that all the time, but because you sold yourself as a solid family man with Christian values.

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  47. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Oh Len, did I mention you also failed to declare a whole pile of stuff that you know you should have – what were you hiding by not declaring all those free rooms and upgrades – You integrity is questionable and your credibility is shot – RESIGN !

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  48. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    They do not like me anymore than I like them. Why are they here?

    Funny – I suspect that’s what Hone Harawira thinks about us.

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  49. Reid (16,523 comments) says:

    I suspect that’s what Hone Harawira thinks about us.

    I suspect you’re right PM. What Hone seems however to fail to appreciate is that if it weren’t for “us,” whoever “we” are, this country would be a pox-ridden backwater with tin shacks and mud roads, no sanitation, no electricity, no industry, a bit like Somalia on a really really bad day.

    Of course Hone and others who think like him probable hallucinate it would be a wonderful paradise not at all as described above, but of course all anyone needs to do to disprove his fantasy is to look at the history of this country as it was before “we” arrived and extrapolate, factoring in absolutely none of the international trade and diplomatic connections that were automatically forged as “we” broke in the land and made it into a viable and going concern.

    What people seem to forget when they look at history through their rose-tints is that colonialism was very good at establishing stable institutions. Of govt, of education, of civic works, of all those and more. And none, repeat none, of that would have happened, if “we” hadn’t arrived.

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  50. Sponge (184 comments) says:

    Religion is the refuge of the insecure.

    I got caned by the parson at school for saying that BTW. Do unto others etc.. no doubt :)

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  51. Sponge (184 comments) says:

    Reid@9:15

    If it wasn’t the brits running NZ it would have been the frogs (Akaroa anyone?). And I think it fair to say the brits were a bit kinder to their conquered natives than the French.

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  52. Harriet (4,990 comments) says:

    “……P.S. Interesting isn’t it that theory # 1 refers to the fact most new migrants settle in Akld, yet somehow at one and the same time, such settlement patterns have absolutely no effect on property prices, which apparently, are all to do with land availability. Isn’t that peculiar. And convenient, since pointing to it would create a huge political issue. Best to point at something else. Don’t scare the horses….”

    Well said Reid.

    And don’t mention the failure of the agnostic Key to stop Muslims from taking their NEW ZEALAND daughters to Indonesia to get their ‘excitable bit’ cut off.

    The Australian Federal police said last year they know exactly where in Indonesia the kiwi and aussie girls are being taken.

    But at the same time, Tony Aboott is sending the Australian Navy into Indonesia waters to stop these types of fathers from arriving – but those are the actions of a former Catholic priest for you.

    The spineless Key can’t even stop the Muslim mothers and their 6yld daughters from getting on a plane.

    Mr Craig should now address this issue by suggesting that little Muslim girls should not be allowed to hold a NEW ZEALAND PASSPORT. :cool:

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  53. Reid (16,523 comments) says:

    Religion is the refuge of the insecure.

    It’s funny when people who don’t understand religion pretend they do.

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  54. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Cha at 4.36 raises the issue of the admission of Syrian refugees.

    Whether this is right of wrong, the decision will be influenced by NZ’s campaign to get a seat on the Security Council. Last time the campaign for a seat brought us thousands of Somali refugees/economic migrants.

    The politicians and pampered MFAT diplomats would sell the country out for that seat. The first hundred Syrians will not be the last, and there will likely be very few of the Christian Syrians who are being brutally murdered by the Al Qaeda mob.

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  55. Sponge (184 comments) says:

    Reid@9:33

    I have grown up and the easter bunny, father christmas, jesus and various different gods stuff, ghosts, the tooth fairy, mohammed, zeuss and countless other fables/deities do not excite me sufficiently to “understand” them. I do however understand that insecure people feel the need to make their lives have some sort of deeper meaning and religion fulfils that need. I have seen and experienced some of the damage that religion can cause people first hand and it horrifies me. I cannot fault “do unto others” as a principal but organised religion never just leave it at the 10 commandments.

    In fairness it is unkind of me to mock religion as some people get great comfort from it and as I would never tell a kid that father christmas is not real I probably should leave the invisible sky fairy believers to themselves.

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  56. Reid (16,523 comments) says:

    Sponge, you remind me of the deluded who claim that because you can’t replicate God in the lab, therefore, in their hallucination, He doesn’t exist.

    Failing of course to understand that science isn’t the answer to all things and that just because materialism can’t explain it, doesn’t mean our spiritual being doesn’t exist.

    Religion is far from the refuge of the insecure. You may not have read the Apocryphal books but there’s a story in Esdras about a woman with five sons who refuses to recant, and first her eldest son then one after the other are put onto a giant skillet until finally, she is. And then of course all the Christians in the arena needed to do was to recant and they wouldn’t be torn apart, but no, they didn’t, either. Think that’s “insecure?”

    It’s faith, my friend. It’s an anchor that can’t be torn from us by anything the world threatens or in fact does.

    Talk about insecurity? How much would I have to pay you before you’d divorce your wife? A billion? Three billion? I bet most people in the world would settle for a lot less than that. And that’s just worthless paper, mate. That’s insecurity, to sell a priceless human for paper. Isn’t it.

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  57. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Atheists in NZ at least seem more prejudiced against Christianity than against most religions, I have found.

    For example in rubbishing those who don’t believe in the Theory of Evolution, the critics nearly always ridicule Fundamentalist Christians. They don’t rubbish Muslims for their similar rejection of Darwin’s Theory.

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  58. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Jack5, I agree, but do you think that may have something to do with the fact the other religions are not all over KB spewing hate on the other faiths daily and suggesting all of society bow down to them and give them exclusive domain over our country, as Christstains do ?

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  59. Reid (16,523 comments) says:

    They don’t rubbish Muslims for their similar rejection of Darwin’s Theory.

    They’ve been sucked into the social engineering vortex Jack, that’s why. As I said, Satanism and Christianity don’t mix. That’s why you get such vitriol. And the fools don’t even understand who they’re serving when they do it, but that’s social engineering for you. The engineers don’t call them useful idiots because they’re intelligent and they know what’s being done to them, do they.

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  60. MH (762 comments) says:

    A gay Maori bloke goes down to where Moses is building the Ark and asks if he can come aboard as the grey clouds start to gather and says,’Hey Moses got any room for Me?’
    Moses gives him a 28 page job application and says ‘Fill this out and bring it back to me’. So two days later the Maori brings it back and gives it to Moses who takes a quick look at it and says ‘OK, if you can find another gay man to partner you I’ll take you on board,now go on board and find something to do..’ keep away from the animals….
    Just then, this gay Sudanese muslim guy comes up to Moses and says, ‘Looka work, needa work,verry wet rain coming.’

    Moses looks up to the sky expecting a bolt of lightning to put him out of this predicament of taking two gays on board. Nothing happens so he tells him ‘OK you’re hired and introduces him to The Maori mate thinking they will hit it off.’ The Maori is standing right there and asks Moses ‘Hey, you made me fill out a 28 page job application and you just hired this guy like that, Why?”
    Moses replies ‘He’s gay like you and he’s got an honest face’.
    The Maori sighs and walks onto the boat, all upset. A few days later the floods start happening, they’re out to sea and the Maori is up in the crow’s nest looking for reefs and the Sudanese guy is down on the deck mopping the deck. Just then, this huge wave comes along and washes the Sudanese guy overboard.
    The Maori winces down out of the crow’s nest and clambers up to the bridge where Moses is steering the Ark and says in a verry gay voice:
    “Remember that Sudanese guy you hired with the honest face?

    Well, he just buggered off with your mop!”

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  61. Sponge (184 comments) says:

    Reid,

    I am honestly not trying to have a fight with you or to troll you. You have your belief and I have mine (or not I suppose).

    I do not believe that god needs to be created in a lab nor that materialism has anything to do with religion. My basic question about religion is like trying to define infinity (bear with me) if there is a god then who or what created it? What was the universe like when there was no god? What was it that caused god to be created? An answer that before god there was nothing is the equivalent to me of saying that beyond infinity nothing exists – but logic says that there must be something beyond infinity. I know this is a pretty tortuous argument but that is one of the things I cannot reconcile about religion. That and some of the evil things I have seen done in the name of god.

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  62. Sofia (858 comments) says:

    Sponge, how do you get on with the rest of your family, or your neighbour?

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  63. Reid (16,523 comments) says:

    God is transcendent of space and time, Sponge. Transcendence is a philosophical analytical concept which means something is at one and the same time both a part of and apart from the thing in question.

    some of the evil things I have seen done in the name of god.

    Bingo. Never conflate the question of who and what God is with what humans do in His name. Always separate the two. Many don’t. It’s a grave error if you want the truth. Of course if you wish to reinforce prejudice against God, conflate away. But its a logical error to do so.

    Fact is, you won’t understand God as a logical entity. He’s not a concept that you create in your own mind from reading such things as for example, the Bible. God is a part of you, always has been, always will be. He’s also a part of me and everyone else on the planet. Religion is about recognising that and asking God to reveal Himself and Christianity teaches that is accomplished through accepting your fallen nature and inviting Him in. But He won’t make himself known to you unless you do that in a genuine way and you can’t fool God, because as I said, He’s already in you and therefore He knows everything you know and more. God speaks to all of us through our conscience but He also manifests Himself in other ways to those who believe. It’s both complicated and simple at the same time. Typical God. :)

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  64. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    you remind me of the deluded who claim that because you can’t replicate God in the lab, therefore, in their hallucination, He doesn’t exist.

    Reid, who claims that ? Are you lying for Jeeeeeeeeeesus yet again ?

    Not all beliefs are equally valid. Not every opinion is worthy of respect. Faith is belief without evidence and often counter to the evidence. It is nothing to be proud of and is certainly not worthy of respect.

    science isn’t the answer to all things

    Science is a method of enquiry not an “answer” to anything. Smarten up !

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  65. Andrei (2,664 comments) says:

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  66. Sponge (184 comments) says:

    Sofia, very well thanks. I assume you are referring to my comment about the damage I have seen? I would prefer not to go into detail on that for privacy reasons. I know that is a cop out but so be it.

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  67. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Re Kea at 9.57:

    I’m not sure why atheists seem to focus on fundamentalist Christianity rather than other than other religious beliefs when it comes to ridiculing those who reject the Theory of Evolution.

    It may be because Christianity has been the main religion in NZ.

    Or may be because militant atheism is another form of religious belief, and in moving to that belief atheists have a degree of fanaticism like most converts to any religion. Atheists aren’t born atheists, and if the amount of religious text quoted by atheists on Kiwiblog is an indication, most atheists are former relgious believers.

    Militant atheists spend more time and make more keyboard clicks about religion than anyone except religious fanatics.

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  68. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    It is incredible to think that people come on here openly praising an entity that ordered babies torn from the bellies of pregnant women, infants dashed to death in front of their parents, towns destroyed even the animals, rape victims stoned to death, blood sacrifices, slavery and in a fit of narcissistic rage destroyed the entire world with a flood.

    What disgusting creatures the religious are and if we ever hope to advance we need to stop tolerating the existence of these vile people. They are a weeping sore on humanity and it is about time they were no longer tolerated.

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  69. Reid (16,523 comments) says:

    Faith is belief without evidence and often counter to the evidence.

    Faith is belief without evidence you can replicate in the lab, Kea. It’s not belief without evidence as any Christian will tell you.

    It’s only counter to evidence when you look at religion through worldly goggles and naturally, the two are antipathetic. Just look what the world did to God when He walked the earth in human clothes.

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  70. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Jack5

    1. Atheism is not a belief system. Non belief in something is not a belief. Just like not playing ruby is not a sport.

    2. We are born atheists. It is the default setting. You learn religion and the one you are taught is an accident of birth.

    3. You can predict nothing [else] about a person knowing they are an atheist, because it is not a belief system

    4. The theists are atheists about every god other than their own. Atheists just disbelieve in one more god than them.

    5. Atheism is about telling the truth. Nothing more.

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  71. Reid (16,523 comments) says:

    1. Atheism is not a belief system.

    Yes it is. It’s a coincidence theory. That everything we see in all its profound and myriad complexity simply happened by random chance. Poof. There we are. Yeah right.

    Sorry Kea, you don’t even know that your own belief system is a belief system. What else don’t you know?

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  72. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Reid, prove god exists. Do it any way you like. Just prove it.

    Until then I will accept the evidence before me that you are a vain and cowardly man who has never learnt to accept your own mortality. Death is coming for you and that will be the end. There is nothing there for you or anyone else. You have no soul and there is no kingdom of heaven. You will go in the ground having lived your life based on a lie.

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  73. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Reid, atheism makes no such statement. You are lying again.

    I guess you are talking about cosmology ? Or maybe evolution ? Neither of which has anything at all to do with proving god exists. NOTHING at all.

    You could replace god with the tooth fairy and get the same thing. If you have evidence then provide it.

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  74. Reid (16,523 comments) says:

    Reid, prove god exists. Do it any way you like. Just prove it.

    What sort of proof are you after Kea? Some sort of smiting perhaps? What’s your address?

    You have no soul and there is no kingdom of heaven. You will go in the ground having lived your life based on a lie.

    Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. Pro 26.12

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  75. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    And there is nothing “random” about evolution. It is a very simple theory and actually self evident if you are not clouded by the fog of religious ignorance.

    BTW, it is a theory just like gravity is a theory. In fact there is waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more doubt about the nature of gravity than there is about evolution. The more we learn about the world around us the more solid the theory of evolution looks.

    But even if the theory was proven to be total bullshit, it would NOT prove god exists… and especially not your god exclusively.

    Sorry bout that ! :)

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  76. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Reid, I said prove it any way you like. I made that clear.

    Here is a bible quote for you :)

    Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

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  77. Lucia Maria (2,474 comments) says:

    And Kea demonstrates again just why she is terrified of Christians by posting Bible quotes.

    Except you are not terrified of us, are you Kea.

    I understand the argument you are trying to make, by somehow showing that the Bible has bad stuff in it (as does the Koran), ergo we can’t judge people based on their holy books. Yet, when it comes down to the behaviour of Christians in general, the worst you can do is point to the Croatians in WWII, which was supposedly justified by Catholicism.

    Interesting slip there in one of your earlier comments on this thread where you seem to include yourself as a Muslim.

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  78. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Kea posted at 10.35:

    Atheism is not a belief system. Non belief in something is not a belief.

    Well I never. I thought atheists believed there was no God!

    Given that we humans can not know for sure whether there is or not, then if you believe there is not a God you have a belief system.

    I recall organisations of atheists, such as the Rationalists’ Society. These resemble the belief groups that most of us call churches.

    Going by Kiwiblog postings and arguments, militant atheists like your good self, Kea, seem as obssessive about religion as the door knockers from the Jehovah’s Witnesses. If an attractive woman knocks on my door with Watch Tower in her hand in a couple of years, I will be tempted to ask her: “Are you Kea, by any chance?”

    Me, I don’t give the existence of non-existence of God much thought (I might on my death bed, but that will be panic).

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  79. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Lucy, missed our little chats. x :)

    If you don’t follow the bible, then what do you follow and what informs your belief ?

    If I was a Muslim I would say so. I am not and never have been. I am an atheist. Which is far worse in the eyes of a Muslim than being a Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu or anything else. We are the absolute worst thing to be in Islam.

    I actually judge religious people by what they are doing today. And it is appalling.

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  80. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Jack5, I see your moral compass works about as well as your reasoning ability.

    Are you an “atheist” about Magic Dragons ?

    Are you an “atheist” about the Tooth Fairy ?

    Are you an “atheist” about me being the second coming of Jesus ?

    The term “atheist” is redundant and silly. We do not have a special word for non belief in other things, so why religion ? The onus of proof is on the person making the claim eg: there is a god. Anyone who accepts an incredible claim like that with no evidence is an idiot.

    Telling the truth and opposing the harm religion does is not “militant ” it is common decency. If you stand by and say nothing it makes you a coward and part of the problem. Pick a side or shut up.

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  81. RichardX (326 comments) says:

    Jack5 (3,989 comments) says:
    February 4th, 2014 at 11:22 pm
    Well I never. I thought atheists believed there was no God!

    Atheism is pretty simple
    It is not the belief that god does not exist although some people do believe that
    It is just the lack of belief that god exists, that the burden of proof for making such an extraordinary claim as the existence of god has not been met
    Your misconception is probably why you thought atheists aren’t born atheists although it is impossible for a new born baby to hold any beliefs
    If you can your prove god exists, I will no longer be an atheist

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  82. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Kea posted at 11.35:

    The onus of proof is on the person making the claim…

    You’re making the claim, Kea, so prove there is no God!.

    Hell, you are going to make a stroppy Jehovah’s Witness when you change your belief, as most fanatics do.

    And your “pick a side or shut up”. Yep, there’s a totalitarian tinge in a lot of militant atheists, alright.

    Richard X (11.57): And if you can prove God does not exist, I will become an atheist!

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  83. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Re Richard X (11.57): Richard you sound more like an agnostic than an atheist.

    Careful, or Kea will have you shot as a coward. Like U-boat Kommand, she doesn’t acknowledge neutrality. Typical fanatic: you are for us or against us, no other choice! Kill or be killed!

    Kea: where are you? Away reading your Bible for more quotes? Which version do you like, the King James?

    You may be a physicist, Kea, but even Einstein wasn’t sure there was no God.

    Whoops, sorry to taunt you, Kea and Richard. I forgot it’s after midnight, and good atheists must turn in because they’re scared of vampires and werewolves! (Atheists think you need a cross to ward them off.)

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  84. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    Praise the Lord and Pass the ammunition

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  85. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    That’s a Head Hunting Cult not a religion

    isn’t it

    That we are all sponsoring through our Taxes

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  86. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    Be afraid…

    http://harddawn.com/sodomy-on-demand-laws-may-be-coming-to-your-hometown/

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  87. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    “Careful, or Kea will have you shot as a coward. ”

    Or maybe this ;)

    Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

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  88. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    “RRM (8,610 comments) says:
    February 5th, 2014 at 6:26 am
    Be afraid…

    http://harddawn.com/sodomy-on-demand-laws-may-be-coming-to-your-hometown/

    At last you found the source of Kowtow’s wisdom.

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  89. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    Of the (so far) 88 comments here a quarter are from one religious zealot.

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  90. ciaron (1,434 comments) says:

    Marni, can you provide a textural analysis (in your own words) of Isaiah 13 including any of the preceding and succeeding verses that shows this is a command that Christians need to follow today?

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  91. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    PG, of course you don’t get it. You have never stood for anything you really believe in your life. You simply appeal to the popular with a painted on, craven and contrived parody of morality.

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  92. eszett (2,418 comments) says:

    And if you can prove God does not exist, I will become an atheist!

    You are already an atheist to thousands of gods, Jack5. Can you prove that they all don’t exist?
    You don’t believe in Santa or Bigfoot either, but can you proof that they doesn’t exist?

    If you make a claim about the existence of Bigfoot, Santa or a god, you have to table the evidence.

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  93. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    Praise the Lord and Pass More Ammunition

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  94. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    The NZ Head of State is the Head of the Anglican Church – which is really a unique form of British Christianity

    Christianity works like this YOU Treat OTHERS the Way YOU Expect to be treated

    that is it folks that is where all the wealth and glory of western society comes from
    not the wars not the lunacy but

    Humanism

    Treating other Humans like Humans

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