Blaming the Police

February 19th, 2014 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

The family of slain gunman Antony Ratahi are still seeking answers almost three years after he was shot dead by .

They say they are considering mounting a legal case against police over the shooting, but they are waiting for the release of the Independent Police Conduct Authority’s investigation.

Ratahi, 46, of Stratford, was killed after a 13-hour standoff with armed police at Opunake’s Headlands Hotel in July 2011.

He had a firearm, barged into the restaurant and barricaded himself inside the building with his former girlfriend Marcelle Beer. Police launched three separate investigations into the incident.

I’d say the best way not to get shot by the Police is not to kidnap your ex-girlfriend who has a protection order against you, and hold her hostage at gunpoint.

In May 2012 it was revealed 14 members of the armed offenders squad had been drinking before the siege.

By the end of the siege I’d say any effects would be long gone.

Ratahi’s eldest daughter, Cassia Proebstel, told the Daily News the family had been approached by a couple of lawyers keen to take a case against police.

I’m sure they were.

The police investigation found Ratahi’s shooting was lawful and justified, the officer who fired the fatal shot, the AOS commander and Special Tactics Group commander, who were in control of the situation, had not been drinking.

So seems a bit of a red herring.

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29 Responses to “Blaming the Police”

  1. safesally (47 comments) says:

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ – That’s all this family are interested in

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  2. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (852 comments) says:

    Ah yes, seeking answers.

    How about dumb fuck shouldnt kidnap people at gunpoint and provoke an armed hostage scene.

    There I’ve just saved the State umpteen hundred thousands in “inquiries” and enabled the family to get its shit together and get on with their lives.

    But of course by “answers”, what the poor dears want is money. Specifically your and my money.

    I’m sure he was a gentle lovely boy who loved his mum and wouldnt hurt a fly, all the previous convictions were misunderstandings, as was the violence…

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  3. alloytoo (571 comments) says:

    Contrary to popular belief Cops do not want to shoot anyone.

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  4. Elaycee (4,403 comments) says:

    DPF: I’d say the best way not to get shot by the Police is not to kidnap your ex-girlfriend who has a protection order against you, and hold her hostage at gunpoint.

    Touche.

    But that won’t stop the morons of the world claiming this is (somehow) someone else’s fault. Indeed, we’ve just had a quick discussion in the office trying to work out how this can also be the fault of Minster Judith Collins! :)

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  5. Longknives (4,858 comments) says:

    Here comes Jackinabox!
    3.2.1….

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  6. peterwn (3,298 comments) says:

    In the Waitara Constable ‘A’ case, ‘A’ had not been drinking but it seemed rumours that he had were ‘astroturfed’ round the place to try and discredit him and the police. So it seems a common ploy in such cases is to accuse the police officers involved of drinking.

    I did have an idea a while back – that police officers (especially rural and small town ones) be paid a ‘sign the pledge’ allowance so they are never unfit for duty through drinking. It is extremely problematical if the only officer to hand in an emergency would, if tested, blow 400 or so.

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  7. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (852 comments) says:

    “Contrary to popular belief Cops do not want to shoot anyone.”

    Yup the paperwork is a bastard. Perhaps the cops should consider contracting out the extrajudicial executions? Far more efficient.

    (ps., that was irony, or perhaps sarcasm)

    But channeling the family (and the Judean Peoples Front) what have the Police ever done for us….

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  8. Ashley Schaeffer (508 comments) says:

    Thirteen hours? So he had plenty of time to think it through and surrender.

    And drinking doesn’t mean drunk.

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  9. Brian Smaller (4,024 comments) says:

    Isn’t it funny how these people are always gentle souls until they kidnap and hold people at gunpoint.

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  10. marcw (254 comments) says:

    The only problem I have here is the length of time – …really, almost 3 years for an Independent Police Conduct Authority investigation? Something is broken, and this is not the only case where it has dragged out too long. No wonder we have disgruntled family members.

    Fix the Authority now I say. And no more excuses.

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  11. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “Contrary to popular belief Cops do not want to shoot anyone.”

    Why are they so keen to get onto the AOS if it isn’t to “double tap” a few “scroats”?

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  12. corrigenda (142 comments) says:

    I agree Brian, when a kid is hit by a bus he is always the brightest most popular kid in the class with a sunny nature and loved by all. What they don’t tell you is the fact that he was the school bully who stood over younger kids and stole their lunch money and the only reason he was in town at that time on a school day was because he had been suspended!!!

    The gunman brought it all on himself the moment he CHOSE to arm himself and CHOSE to threaten another person. He CHOSE to barricade himself in. All these were his CHOICES.

    Tell the family and the lawyers to get real and accept it was his responsibility.

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  13. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (852 comments) says:

    JiB it’s “scrotes” try and keep up, or were you asleep during NCEA?

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  14. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    If he’d killed the girlfriend then their family would be suing the cops. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Everyone wants to live in a fairy land where there are no consequences for anything and no responsibility for anything either.

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  15. Psycho Milt (2,419 comments) says:

    Personally, I’m chuffed that for once there was an outcome in which the protection-order nutcase goes down without taking anyone else with him. If only the wife/girlfriend/children got to walk away from these incidents more often…

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  16. James Stephenson (2,223 comments) says:

    Why are they so keen to get onto the AOS if it isn’t to “double tap” a few “scroats”?

    Why am I not surprised that you can’t comprehend that some people are motivated to become the best and most highly trained and skilled at what they do?

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  17. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (854 comments) says:

    February 19th, 2014 at 11:52 am

    JiB it’s “scrotes” try and keep up, or were you asleep during NCEA?

    I doubt you will find either spelling in a dictionary deity.

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  18. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “James Stephenson (1,808 comments) says:

    February 19th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    Why are they so keen to get onto the AOS if it isn’t to “double tap” a few “scroats”?

    Why am I not surprised that you can’t comprehend that some people are motivated to become the best and most highly trained and skilled at what they do?”

    Some people might join the AOS for reasons other than to get a chance to shoot a few so-called offenders but I have no doubt that for the most part the people who volunteer for the AOS are cut from the same cloth as the ones who have no qualms about committing perjury to gain a conviction.

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  19. dime (10,095 comments) says:

    lmao @ jackinabox

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  20. Right of way is Way of Right (1,122 comments) says:

    Jackinabox, do you actually KNOW any members of the AOS? I do. I also know members of the police STG. I can assure you from personal knowledge, the last thing any of them want to do is kill someone. Members of the AOS who have taken a shot are subject to months, if not years, of mental angush. This is exacerbated by ill-informed commentators (such as yourself, one imagines) making comment after comment about a situation of which they have little or no knowledge. The main goal of the AOS is to contain an offender, and to shoot only if the lives of other people are in jeopardy, as it was in this case.

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  21. kowtow (8,733 comments) says:

    Lawyers acting as ambulance chasers……..never.

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  22. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    BOOM! :-)

    Good job. We don’t need people like that around.

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  23. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “Jackinabox, do you actually KNOW any members of the AOS?”

    As a matter of fact I do Right of way and two out of three of them were barefaced liars and lawbreakers. The one that was a straight up sort gave up being a cop and turned his hand to helping at risk Maori youngsters instead.

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  24. Dave_1924 (118 comments) says:

    if I was the family of the hostage… and the family of the gunman some how manages to get some sort of pay out, I would raise a civil suit against the gunman’s family for every red cent. unlawful detention by the gunman of the hostage leading to on going psychological trauma. Should be easy to prove no? I am astounded that any lawyer would be that greedy for money as to encourage the gunman’s family to go after compensation in this case…

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  25. wikiriwhis business (4,115 comments) says:

    This thread certainly bought out the fascist streak on this site

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  26. Chuck Bird (4,923 comments) says:

    ” I am astounded that any lawyer would be that greedy for money as to encourage the gunman’s family to go after compensation in this case… ”

    What Dave do you know about lawyers? Many but by no means all Will do anything for money.

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  27. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “What Dave do you know about lawyers? Many but by no means all Will do anything for money.”

    Lawyers will defend you to your last dollar!

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  28. cassiaratahi (1 comment) says:

    Who the Hell are all of use sitting there judging my family, we have done nothing wrong yet u sit there and think you know it all. This has nothing to do with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. We know my dad should not have taken her hostage!! We’re not STUPID but until you know the build up to what had happened you have no right in butting your noses in. And the end of the day YES my dad was wrong and made a wrong move but he is more than paying for his consequences. But how dare any of you’s sit there and judge his family for wanting ANSWERS not MONEY. Put yourself in our shoes you heartless humans all we want is to know exactly what happened to our dad. Unless you have been through what we have you would have no idea so out of the respect of my sisters and i we rather you keep your opinions about us the family to yourselfs cos you have no idea what we are going thru.

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  29. Desle Proebstel (1 comment) says:

    Please take note of what my daughter has just posted – XXX I post this as a plea really to all of your comments my daughter contacted me so upset at what she had seen so I jumped on kiwiblog and I saw $$$$$$$$ you are way off the mark. As a mother and a grandmother you have no idea how this has affected my daughters and there babies. I have 3 girls suffering in different ways and I have 10 grandchildren I’m trying to help and to heal.I could write a book about the pain and suffering that we as a family have endured in the past 3 years.Yes there father was totally out of line in his actions that day TOTALLY we all know this and we spent each day asking ourselves the why’s the what ifs and the if onlys.My girls have been through so much and all they want is answers to there questions and 3 years is a long time to have waited because all they want to do is unveil there dad in the most loving and beautiful way possible they won’t do this until they have final closure so I ask you as a concerned mother and grandmother please leave them BE . Love u girls and moko’s xxz

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