Different reactions

February 2nd, 2014 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

The HoS reports:

Prime Minister was mobbed by fans from the Asian community vying for a photo opportunity when he entered the event.

The day showcased the cultural diversity of New Zealand, he said.

“There are over 200,000 New Zealanders of Chinese ethnicity; they’re a hugely important partner from New Zealand’s point of view.

“I think if you look at New Zealand, we are based on a bicultural foundation, but we’re very much a multi-cultural society. It makes Auckland and New Zealand a far more interesting place when you can celebrate Chinese New Year, or Diwali, or whatever the cultural function might be.”

When Auckland Mayor took to the stage at the event he was met with a chorus of polite clapping and a smattering of boos from the crowd.

He welcomed the crowed enthusiastically, ignoring hecklers who voiced their disappointment over his extra-marital affair by using duck callers – alluding to his labelling as a “lame duck mayor”.

I wonder how many of his volunteer translators where there?

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54 Responses to “Different reactions”

  1. kowtow (8,186 comments) says:

    Oh dear,the “multicultural makes us far more interesting” line.

    Multi ethnic ,yes ,multiculti ,no.
    Another shallow appeaser.

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  2. wat dabney (3,709 comments) says:

    kowtow,

    How other people choose to lead their lives is none of your business.

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  3. kowtow (8,186 comments) says:

    How politicians chose to lead our lives is all of our businesses.

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  4. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    Multi ethnic ,yes ,multiculti ,no.

    Kowtow, how will you evaluate the culture in order to keep NZ mono-cultural ?

    Do you think, for example, cultures informed by bronze age superstition imported from the Middle East thousands of years ago, should be allowed in NZ ? It is certainly not part of our culture !

    I am sure you agree, given you start each morning with a post highlighting the harm religion does and focusing on the bigotry and intolerance it breeds. We are like peas in a pod you and me :)

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  5. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    Of course it goes without saying, but to avoid confusion, our culture is Maori. The rest is imported and foreign.

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  6. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    “our culture is Maori.”

    Like fuck it is. It never has and never will be despite the constant shoveling down our throats…no sir , maori culture we aint.

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  7. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    dirty harry, if you don’t like it here you can go home.

    Or… we can except other cultures and all live together as best we can. You can not have it both ways. If you simply believe that your culture should be the only one allowed, then simply say so. Just remember there are others who may think the same who have different cultures to the one you prefer.

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  8. Nostalgia-NZ (5,097 comments) says:

    Despite all the speculation about the thickness of Len’s skin it appears he’s actually a turtle, unfortunately if he ends up on his back there may be no one in Auckland willing to roll him over as he’s not the ‘protected species’ he thought he was.

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  9. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    Kea..see above at 11.35am..

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  10. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    Personally I am not too worried about the culture of immigrants. I am more concerned about the type of person and how they behave and fit in.

    The sort we definitely don’t want are those who demand cultural hegemony and a privileged position in society. Religious supremacists are clearly the worst immigrants, as events overseas attest to. The great thing about the Chinese are that they are not infected with the cancer of religion, which goes a long way to explaining why they have been so successful as immigrants all over the world. They also do not demand the host nation defer to them.

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  11. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    “dirty harry (47 comments) says:
    February 2nd, 2014 at 11:44 am
    Kea..see above at 11.35am..”

    Have you packed yet ?

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  12. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    Why would I pack ? Where am I going ? I am home already. This is my country. I am the majority.

    Why do we continue pandering to the small noisy minority..where else in the world does the tail wag the dog like it does in NZ ?

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  13. Odakyu-sen (577 comments) says:

    A house divided against itself cannot stand.

    I think people are confusing “customs” with “culture.” The Japanese (and Chinese, I suspect) have the same fundamental “culture” that Kiwis have, i.e., double-entry bookkeeping, respect for private property, respect for the rule of law, belief in the separation of church and state, desire to have successful children, home ownership, etc. Of course, the customs (including language) are totally different, but the core values (the “operating system,” if you will) is pretty much the same.

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  14. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    but the core values (the “operating system,” if you will) is pretty much the same.

    Odakyu-sen , a typically thoughtful comment.

    Why can’t you fit-in and be a one eyed bigot immune to reason or logic and simply be carried along by irrational fears and superstition ? Why can’t you bring yourself to love baby Jesus and why do Asians not eat proper food and insist on looking different ?

    These are the real questions LOL ;)

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  15. kowtow (8,186 comments) says:

    “I am more concerned about the person and how they behave and fit in”

    Like these,for example.

    Multiculturalism is overturning our ancient values.

    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/457359/How-British-the-justice-system-lost-out-to-Islamic-extremism

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  16. hj (6,855 comments) says:

    The Chinese live in niebourhoods formerly Kiwi.

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  17. Grizz (592 comments) says:

    I wonder how much length Brown having a Chinese mistress has upset the Chinese community.

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  18. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    Kowtow, yes or like the Jews spitting on you guys, destroying your places of worship and expressing approval that Christianity is being overtaken with Islam in Europe, due to the years of persecution you Christian bigots subjected them to. But you seem unconcerned about that in spite of me providing you ample evidence.

    Christianity is not an “ancient value” of Briton. They were pagans. Learn some history, though I doubt it will penetrate your fog of bias and hatred. Your ignorance and intellectual dishonesty is incredible.

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  19. David Garrett (6,995 comments) says:

    Kea: By your “logic” the Americans would all be doing their best to ape the English of the 17th century – or the American Indians who were undoubtedly there even earlier. Instead they have created a melting pot society in which any of the many ethnic strands which go to make up their population are celebrated by the members of that society, but “being American” is – at least for most – the most important identifier.

    For myself, I do not indentify with a culture based on never ending violence, slavery and infanticide (for population control). If “Maori” who are whiter than me wish to leapt about scantilly dressed with their tongues out, I don’t care. But that is not MY culture, and never will be.

    Or are you just taking the piss?

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  20. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    The Chinese live in niebourhoods formerly Kiwi.

    LOL :)

    hj, Is English a second language for you ?

    The ChineseBrits/Americans/Israelis live in niebourhoods[sic] formerly KiwiMaori/Indian/Neanderthal

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  21. big bruv (13,686 comments) says:

    The whole kiwi culture thing is a sign of our ever growing lack of identity. Liberal white wankers like Wallace Chapman seem to be of the opinion that we all should go misty eyed at the sound of a Haka. Well that is simply not the case. The Maori rain dance is not a part of my culture, never will be. No amount of posturing from a Chapman or an equally mad Delahunty is going to see me come down with a case of the white guilt’s.

    We are a diverse nation, there is no point moaning about it the damage has already been done. Our own culture will evolve over time, fine, let that happen but lets not allow left wing wankers to tell us what our culture already is or insist that we all adopt primitive stone age culture.

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  22. hj (6,855 comments) says:

    Culture is good, enclaves are bad. Boosting thee economy via immigration is a sugar hit. It should be judged aginst the effect on Kiwis; the Savings working Group gave the government a fail.

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  23. Chinarugby (87 comments) says:

    Grizz – fom my own observations only and in discussions with Chinese friends there is no real sense of upset at Brown. There is derisory comment attached to Chuang for her public comments and behaviour. Some deem she has lost chinese face.

    Mistresses have a long tradition in China and it becomes more common there when attached to wealth and power.

    Last year whilst back in China I asked a good friend about her husbands mistress and how this affects her – ‘Darling’, she said…..’all the bank accounts are in my name’

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  24. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    David Garrett, I read your comment expecting you to present a counter argument, but instead you appear to be building on my central point. I agree with you. That was where I was trying to go with it.

    What I am speaking out against are those who think their particular culture should be dominant as declared by fiat. I believe we should pick the best parts out of various cultures and create our own identity. Then we can start talking – our culture – instead of aping the cultural norms of places our ancestors chose to leave behind.

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  25. hj (6,855 comments) says:

    Didnt know M liived in those urban communites Kea.

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  26. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    but lets not allow left wing wankers to tell us what our culture already is or insist that we all adopt primitive stone age culture.

    big bruv, do you think that (for example) Asian immigrants would agree or disagree with your point ?

    I think they would agree and in that regard reinforce our culture, not undermine it.

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  27. wiseowl (861 comments) says:

    Again ,what is Nationals immigration policy?
    In the last month I have met a number of immigrants who quite frankly I cannot understand how they came to be in this country.
    There seems to be open slather and an intentional move to increase our population without discussing the issue with New Zealanders.
    I do not want to go down the same path as the UK.

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  28. big bruv (13,686 comments) says:

    Kea

    That depends. If you are talking about recent arrivals then I would say no. Most immigrants hold on to their past and have no wish to let their customs go (which is why we were fucking nuts to allow mass immigration from Muslim nations).

    Come the second or third generations then things will change. This is what I mean by our developing culture, we need to let that happen naturally and not allow the liberal elite wankers to tell us, or suggest to us what our culture should be.

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  29. duggledog (1,505 comments) says:

    Big Bruv

    Wallace Chapmen is from Dunedin where there are no Maoris and scant evidence of their history. Possibly why he keeps using the word ‘Aotearoa’ all the time, Maoritanga is new to him. He’s only been in Auckland a few years, I wonder if he’s been to the far North or the East Cape, and not just the touristy bits. He’d be in for a few surprises there

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  30. kowtow (8,186 comments) says:

    duggledog

    You’re wrong about Maoris in Dunners.
    The Otakou marae is historically very important.Whaling stations around the coast here lived in harmony with the local Murries etc

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otakou

    What does shit me is how the DCC, which is broke ,spends money it doesn’t have on Chinese new Year celebrations,literally blowing it up .It also flies the damned separatist flag on New Zealand Day!

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  31. duggledog (1,505 comments) says:

    Yeah I know about Otakou and the history down there but you would agree Dunedin is pretty different to Whangarei, Maori wise. You don’t see too many brown faces down there. Ngai Tahu are hard to distinguish too.

    Thanks for the link though. I didn’t know they flew the Tino flag down there. Councils all round NZ have lost their effing minds

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  32. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    What does shit me is how the DCC, which is broke ,spends money it doesn’t have on Chineseristian new Year celebrations,literally blowing it up .

    NZ is a secular country and wasting public money on some ignorant desert cult from the Middle East is not appropriate by any stretch of the imagination.

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  33. kowtow (8,186 comments) says:

    duggledog

    Yes relatively few Murris here.
    Local joke is ngai Tahu are a white man’s tribe and their numbers swelled massively with the latest National deal to give em even more money in perpetuity.Lots of grant money etc for the kids ,suddenly more people found it useful to be Maori……you couldn’t tell though…..freckly blondes!

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  34. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    “(which is why we were fucking nuts to allow mass immigration from Muslim nations).”

    big bruv, how would you implement this policy, details please ?

    The most popular boys name in the UK is Mohammed. They have government sanctioned Sharia courts there and have done so for years. It is a global hub for radical Islam and contains many of the most mobile, well resourced and dangerous radicals on the planet. Would you allow UK residents to immigrate here ?

    I know a number of Muslims from the words biggest Muslim nation. They adore the West and loath Middle Eastern Muslim extremists. Should we ban them ?

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  35. Rightandleft (662 comments) says:

    Personally about the only custom from the “old country” that I hold onto is Thanksgiving. I celebrate it with a bunch of Canadians and Americans and we have both turkey and pavlova. It’s a blending of customs really. If there was a proper New Zealand Day I’d be proud to celebrate it as well. My experience as a kid was that immigrants were often the most patriotic people on the 4th of July because they recognised what we took for granted. I wish we had a similar holiday to pull us together here.

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  36. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    What happened to Lecher’s hooter, is it some type of STD, or has he been using growth tablets for another body part, and it has spread to his nose? He looks like Goofy, but lacks the decency.

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  37. Odakyu-sen (577 comments) says:

    If an immigrant father looks at his daughter’s New Zealand* boyfriend and thinks to himself, “What a fine young man; my daughter will have a good future with him,” then things are pretty much going to be good for our country’s future.

    If a New Zealand* father looks at his daughter’s immigrant boyfriend and thinks to himself, “What a fine young man; my daughter will have a good future with him,” then things are pretty much going to be good for our country’s future, as well.

    *Not necessarily Caucasian

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  38. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen, have you every tried pleasing a Chinese girl, let alone her parents ? LOL ;)

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  39. hj (6,855 comments) says:

    Immigration policy is like the sound of one hand clapping. Immigration upping has reach cult status.

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  40. Nostradamus (3,216 comments) says:

    hj:

    Have you had a mandatory scull for your “Savings Working Group” reference at 12:51pm?

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  41. Odakyu-sen (577 comments) says:

    “Odakyu-sen, have you every tried pleasing a Chinese girl, let alone her parents ? LOL ”

    Would she be the only child?

    If she has a brother, or if she is the second daughter, then I suspect my life with her will be a lot more tranquil (if not so materially affluent).

    Remember: the duty of the first-born/eldest son to his/her parents does not end with the death of those parents. (Do you understand what I am saying?)

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  42. Nostradamus (3,216 comments) says:

    Kea:

    Kea (10,135 comments) says:
    February 2nd, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    Odakyu-sen, have you every tried pleasing a Chinese girl, let alone her parents ? LOL ;)

    I made the mistake of reading this thread (and your sentence) immediately after reading about Len Brown’s latest outing at the Chinese New Year celebrations.

    I misread “pleasing” as “pleasuring” – which changes the meaning of your sentence, but not in a particularly good way! :)

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  43. Steve (North Shore) (4,544 comments) says:

    The crown just loved John Key, they almost ambushed him for a photo op and a shake of the hand.
    Lying Len Brown however got what he deserved and long may it continue. He is an embarassment to Auckland.
    I think I know who was doing the ‘booing’

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  44. big bruv (13,686 comments) says:

    Kea

    You are being deliberately obtuse. I did not say, suggest or imply that I had a policy that was going to toss out all Muslims. I can only deduce that you are looking for a flame war.

    What I did say was that if anybody (and the evidence suggests that there is nobody) gives consideration as to how new cultures will mix with the existing cultures in NZ then the decision to allow mass Muslim immigration (and all that implies given their religious views) should have taken a few more minutes to really think about the implications.

    Or are you going to tell me that Islam is the religion of peace?

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  45. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    Would she be the only child?

    Odakyu-sen, yes I understand.

    The most demanding, moody, narcissistic, temperamental bitch I have ever met was Chinese and an only child. It was the most intense and passionate relationship I have ever had. We adored each other. I do not regret a moment of it and we remain good friends. Asian women are focused and know what they want. They also make their demands very clear. They are not for the faint hearted or the weak. They can say some shocking things to you ! But most are worth the effort.

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  46. Odakyu-sen (577 comments) says:

    Heaven protect us from the only children of wealthy parents.

    They may have their flings before they tie the knot; but in the end they almost always tow the line for mother and father.

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  47. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    big bruv, no I am not trying to be obtuse at all. My question was simple and remains unanswered by you. I have to say that the sort of religious discrimination you are advocating has a poor history in terms of protecting and improving the host culture.

    You may find it hard to believe, but it breaks my heart to see how the UK and Northern Europe have sold out their cultures to Muslim immigration. The difference is I do not blame the Muslims. I blame the white middle class socialists. I am not opposed to immigration of any religion as long as a few rules are in place. If a conflict of cultures exist then the guest culture defers to the host. It is just common decency, same as if I came to your house. This is rarely a problem and most cultural clashes in the news are manufactured by those with other agendas. I am not a fan of mass immigration of any one culture and I have no problem with us picking and choosing who we have. But not on religious grounds alone. If I were going down that path I would ban followers of all the Abrahamic faiths.

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  48. Nostalgia-NZ (5,097 comments) says:

    Oh dear, pass the parrot a hanky – she now has a broken heart.

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  49. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    Odakyu-sen, yes indeed and that is exactly what happened. At the end of the day I was not rich enough. It is not that they have no heart, but marrying for love alone is seen as immature and irresponsible. Others I have met were not like that, but I did not fall for them. Silly Kea !

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  50. Viking2 (11,368 comments) says:

    Kowtow; About those freckled Maori.

    Now if I tell you I am a Solomon descendant (but not Solomon by Name), from a white English Solomon who came to the west coast in early early times and who had 3 wives, the last being Maori and whose has current decedents that look like twins of a current Ngai Tahu Solomon,would that surprise you?

    Its true, but unfortunately cause the oldies died and didn’t fill out all the records its a bit hard to establish the link from way back. Its memory from a past decedents.
    The only way is by DNA.
    One Day!

    http://www.elocal.co.nz/view_Article~id~1076%20%20%20%20%20%20.html

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  51. lolitasbrother (636 comments) says:

    at the very least in the near future we are dependent on Asias’ s food needs.
    We provide food
    Its different from Australia which provides Asia’s mineral needs.

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  52. slijmbal (1,227 comments) says:

    @big bruv

    “Most immigrants hold on to their past and have no wish to let their customs go”

    Nope – I’m an immigrant, know lots of immigrants and have employed a fair number of immigrants. The vast majority wish to become part of the land they committed themselves to. They want to remember the culture they had but not transfer it here.

    I would balance that comment with some exceptions. A couple of Chinese guys I know did not want their children becoming “bananas” – yellow on the outside but white on the inside but the majority wanted their kids to become successful Kiwis. …. and anecdotally talking to some muslims I know they mention that there are some (generally poorer and less educated) who are as big bruv describes. Take the latter anecdotally sourced info as you will.

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  53. Kea (12,041 comments) says:

    slijmbal, I would not like my kids growing up with some of the prevalent NZ attitudes and I am born and bred here. Exceptions do not make a rule.

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  54. RightNow (6,973 comments) says:

    I’m Tangata Whenua I am, people of the land, that’s me (4th generation born in NZ, Maori have bestowed the privilege on me) . I’m a made fucking man I am, I’m entitled. Some of them won’t tell you that’s the rule, but that’s the fucking rule. Ask an honest Kaumātua if you can find one.

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