General Debate 10 February 2014

February 10th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. hj (5,692 comments) says:

    The Enigmatic Fish Thrower
    Catherine Delahunty

    The en-ig-matic fi–sh thro-wer
    laid down his message about the o–cean,
    the deep sea oil hik—oi
    raised their banners
    and their representa-tive,
    given space by Hone Hara-wira,
    directly challenged the
    Prime Minis-ter…
    The tangata whenua
    de-ci-ded that
    Annette Sykes should speak
    on the pa-epa-e
    and Metiria Tu-re-i
    should ko-rero
    inside the whare-nui….


    http://blog.greens.org.nz/2014/02/07/the-strength-of-waitangi-day/

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  2. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Darien Fenton was praised for ‘opening up’ about her past drug addiction problems, but with very mixed messages, scant details, political posturing, and then she clammed up. Should the public know more? Should we have known more before she stood for Parliament?

    David Garrett was blasted and hounded out of Parliament for the revelation that he’d broken the law several decades earlier – he has described it as a victimless crime.

    Is there a double standard here where Fenton’s belated part revelation is praised? Drug addiction is illegal, it often involves other illegal activity, and it often involves other victims.

    I’m not suggesting Fenton should be hounded out of Parliament, but suggesting there seems to be some veru mixed messages here.

    Darien Fenton “opens up” but with mixed messages

    Does Fenton have a responsibility to actually open up? Or should an MP’s past be left as their own business?

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  3. All_on_Red (941 comments) says:

    From what I have observed Fenton is a nasty piece of work and frankly the sooner she is gone the better. So I vote for stfu.

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  4. Colville (1,771 comments) says:

    I’m not suggesting Fenton should be hounded out of Parliament,

    Why the fuck not Pete?

    It wasnt a bad comment until you added that line but then you went and sat back on your well polished fence!

    Only problem with hounding Fenton out of Parliment is that someone competent might replace her!!

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  5. Sidey (230 comments) says:

    “Does Fenton have a responsibility to actually open up? Or should an MP’s past be left as their own business?”

    Unless there is a disclosure form required to be completed by all wannabe candidates listing all transgressions throughout their life, then I don’t think she, or anyone else, has a responsibility to put out a press release saying “by the way, I used to shoot up in my younger days – you don’t get a face like this from sipping Tiger Tea and having early nights”.

    As to whether the selection panel/process should allow someone with an iffy past through the gates (wouldn’t that rule most of them out? Who decides what is iffy and what isn’t?), or whether the “media” should have brought this to voters’ attention, is another matter.

    Mind you, I have no contact with any pollies and I’ve known this for years – mist have read it somewhere – probably here or at ‘Oil’s place I guess. But I’m not a Labour voter so it didn’t change my decision either way.

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  6. MT_Tinman (2,790 comments) says:

    The first day of my annual 1 week holiday.

    I shall start it by sitting down in the easy chair all day watching day 5 of the first cricket test.
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    Bugger!

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  7. Carlos (684 comments) says:

    The Swiss have balls!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26108597

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  8. TimG_Oz (883 comments) says:

    In Australia each year, there is usually one player with a missus due to have a baby on AFL or NRL Grand Final day. Miraculously, the baby always comes a few days early. Never mentioned in the Press, but midwives will tell you the secret that they always induce.

    I’m not sure if this is a wise move, or if Ross Taylor is reading KB, but draw your own conclusions….

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  9. J Bloggs (100 comments) says:

    PG: David Garrett’s problems stemmed from the fact that he’d taken the moral high ground on law breaking, and hammering away for tougher penalties. Thus, when it was discovered that he, himself, was a law breaker, he was hoist on a petard of his own making.

    His case wasn’t helped by the details involving the emotional hot button of “dead child”

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  10. EAD (315 comments) says:

    Now this what REAL journalism looks like:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/10625663/Flooding-Somerset-Levels-disaster-is-being-driven-by-EU-policy.html

    The BBC and other mainstream media have been busy telling the world that “global warming” and “climate change” are the cause of the now almost annual devastating British Floods.

    Chris Booker delivers a rebuke to the propaganda and the real reason is that EU has mandated that certain areas be allowed to flood and dredging stopped. What that means is UK POLITICIANS ARE DELIBERATELY ALLOWING BRITAIN TO FLOOD AT THE BEHEST OF UNELECTED FOREIGNERS BUT DARE NOT TELL THE TRUTH. Some of the Politicians are now saying that to stop flooding in the UK the Brits must send even more foreign aid money to corrupt 3rd world countries. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10626939/Eric-Pickles-Spend-aid-abroad-to-stop-flooding-in-the-UK.html

    We are living in a time of universal deceit

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  11. nasska (9,506 comments) says:

    Whether an MP should be more open about their past has only become a problem since the introduction of MMP. So long as the party ‘powers that be’ can appoint unknown party sycophants to lists mistakes will be made & facts glossed over.

    Contrast this situation with that which existed under FPP. Then a prospective MP was subject to the scrutiny of the electorate, other party hopefuls & opposition candidates.

    Not much could remain hidden from that lot.

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  12. Paulus (2,296 comments) says:

    Fenton should be left to mellow in Parliament.
    She is a fine example of an ex Heroin drugged Labour MP.
    She looks awful as well but that is natural not drug induced.

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  13. OneTrack (1,961 comments) says:

    J Bloggs – David Garrett’s problems stemmed from being an act mp . The left saw the opening to attack. So they did.

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  14. igm (859 comments) says:

    Come on Auckland ratepayers, Lecher Len has returned to front page promotion in your NZ Herald (messenger of socialism), not only grabbing headlines of forgiveness, but giving away $250 million of your hard earned rates to transport his non-ratepaying voting base. You must be more proactive to combat this slug, along with his greasy left-wing media mates, or he is going to sit there with his stupid looking beak facing you every time you watch Tv or pick up a paper.

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  15. Nookin (2,887 comments) says:

    Monday morning rant.

    Who gives a continental rat’s arse about a convicted low level Australian drug smuggler who was stupid enough to take 4 kg of pot to Bali of all places? Who really gives a stuff about seeing the door through which she will walk later today?

    And why the fuck is this the first item on out national TV news? FFS.

    Rant over.

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  16. doggone7 (487 comments) says:

    Paulus

    At least you now think you know the history of Fenton, explaining (to you) her condition. Without revelations from others we will have to surmise the cause of their afflictions which have become inflictions.

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  17. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    Pete George is using a poor article on a Labour MP’s past,as “self serving political promotion”.

    To compare Fentons past drug habit to another MPs past criminal conviction is going too far.

    Fenton’s habit may have been criminal but she was ,as far as we know never caught or convicted.Therein the difference.

    PG have you ever gone over the speed limit ? Even by 1 kph, if you have then you have engaged in criminal behaviour, behaviour that leads to death!

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  18. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    If MPs were forced to stand down because of drug history then the entire Green Party would be gone with one swat!

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  19. Nostalgia-NZ (4,686 comments) says:

    I guess the hacks will be digging in Fenton’s past now. Revealing that she was once and an addict and overcame it then went onto a political career is pretty remarkable. Probably a lot of MPs go the ‘other way,’ finding new vices or deepening existing ones. I don’t follow her at all, just another name in Parliament. I see the ‘addicts’ going to the chemist to get their treatment each day, some men in their fifties or older and apparently not working and I think that at least they’re not committing crime to feed their addictions. Fenton didn’t appear in the article to be applauding herself in anyway, or excusing herself, rather by her actions showing that she picked herself up and got on with a new life.

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  20. Elaycee (4,067 comments) says:

    @kowtow (8.47): I don’t think the issue would be whether PG goes 1kph over the speed limit, but rather the mayhem he would create driving down the motorway with his wheels straddling the centre line. :)

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  21. EAD (315 comments) says:

    Now this is what real democracy looks like:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-09/europe-stunned-angry-switzerland-votes-curb-immigration

    Swiss Voters decide in a referendum that they, not their Politicians, should decide who they let into their country.

    What a novel concept – allowing people to protect their unique culture and heritage and have a say in their destiny. /sarc

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  22. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Colville – I don’t think Fenton should be hounded, or hounded out of parliament. She was selected by Labour for their list, and they must have known about her past.

    I’m pointing out the double standards where Fenton gets praised for being “open” – eight years after becoming an MP – while Garrett and his family were hounded until he quit.

    And the left have been staunchly defending Len Brown’s behaviour as private and shouldn’t affect him doing his job, even though it may have.

    While Labour have also been relentlessly hounding John Banks for a past minor electoral return offence. And they are still trying to hound Dunne out due to an unproven (and relatively minor) offence. And they even tried to get Judith Collins.

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  23. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Nookin- Because Schapelle is innocent don’t you know?? Despite the fact that her family are well known drug dealers, her brother who she was travelling with that trip is in jail for drug shenanigans and her own lawyer recently revealed that Schapelle plans to celebrate her release with a “a big marijuana joint the size of a cigar”…She was ‘framed’!! (Apparently….)

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  24. Nostalgia-NZ (4,686 comments) says:

    She is the South Seas Amanda Knox Nookin, easy on the eye and not requiring any in depth thought by a challenged media. But give me pictures of babies or dogs running on the beach anytime. I recall we had our Ingham twins and more recently the innocent star crossed lover who thought it was fine to pick up a bag in Brazil for a person she had never met.

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  25. nasska (9,506 comments) says:

    ….”I guess the hacks will be digging in Fenton’s past now.”….

    Highly unlikely! The vultures seldom feast on the bones of their comrades.

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  26. igm (859 comments) says:

    Fenton is a vile piece of socialism, and if it were a Nat MP being exposed, she would attack with a vengeance. Give it to her, the sooner she is out of her position at the trough, the better for all concerned. See what this brilliant piece of left-wing tripe does for a living, maybe council, union, or dole. We sure as hell would not want this thing in our company.

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  27. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    PG could have done his link whoring on How the narrative is Constructed.

    The Fenton story strikes me as a non event. Some editor probably told the “journalist” to go interview her in light of the Hoffman death,another angle as it were.The media are certainly playing that celebrity death for all it’s worth (slow news season being north hemishpere winter ,and they’re not going to do a global warming feature while half the USA is shut down by snow)

    As PG pointed out her drug habit past was already revealed by Wishart some time ago ,so is not new or news.

    Anyway the issue as far as I’m concerned is PG turning it into traffic for his blog.

    He knows a pro DG ,anti labour dig here will get some traction.

    It’s almost trolling.

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  28. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Revealing that she was once and an addict and overcame it then went onto a political career is pretty remarkable.

    It she has reformed and gone on to be a successful union organiser and then MP, yes, that is pretty remarkable.

    But she hasn’t just revealed it, it’s been known about for years.

    And if you read what she wrote it doesn’t sound like a heartfelt revelation as much as a carefully written piece of political puffery. It doesn’t sound like Fenton to me so it misses the mark if it’s supposed to be a genuine opening up about her past, which she now refuses to elaborate on.

    It comes across more to me as either an opportunist Labour promotion or Fenton trying to keep her list position.

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  29. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Nostalgia- “Our Ingham twins” were a very poor man’s Amanda Knox! (Christ they were rough..)

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  30. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    elaycee@852

    Excellent.

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  31. hj (5,692 comments) says:

    Drowning in money: the untold story of the crazy public spending that makes flooding inevitable

    ‘Flood defence, or so we are told almost everywhere, is about how much concrete you can pour. It’s about not building houses in stupid places on the floodplain, and about using clever new engineering techniques to defend those already there. But that’s a small part of the story. To listen to the dismal debates of the past fortnight, you could be forgiven for believing that rivers arise in the plains; that there is no such thing as upstream; that mountains, hills, catchments and watersheds are irrelevant to the question of whether or not homes and infrastructure get drowned.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/13/flooding-public-spending-britain-europe-policies-homes

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  32. Nostalgia-NZ (4,686 comments) says:

    You’ve added a lot of strings to your bow this morning PG. There is no similarity between Fenton and Brown. Brown ‘sold himself’ as an honest, hardworking family man with a Christian background – fraudulent claims intended to portray someone to the voters that he is not, and probably never has been. Fenton on the other hand wasn’t blowing her own trumpet or elevating herself as far as I know, I’m also not aware that she has targeted addicts for political disdain in order to promote herself – probably she has done the opposite, particularly by speaking out.

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  33. igm (859 comments) says:

    Where is there any reference to Fenton in mainstream media? The Little clan will be muffling this with real gusto. Like all other socialist filth, it will swept under the carpet . . . effen wrong!

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  34. Dean Papa (616 comments) says:

    “And why the fuck is this the first item on out national TV news? FFS.”

    Isn’t it obvious? I guess not. Well, the reason is because we have our man Steve Marshall reporting from the scene. Any event for which TVNZ can get a live crossover is given priority. It makes TVNZ look like one of the big players in the news delivery business.

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  35. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    The Ingham twins!

    Where are they now?

    That would be a lot more entertaining than PG and Darien Fenton.

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  36. Sofia (780 comments) says:

    Mr Brown told the Prime Minister in a letter – obtained by the Herald – that his offer was based on a Government commitment to pay for half of the project from 2020, or earlier if Auckland can meet tough rail patronage and employment growth targets set last year by Mr Key.

    So Brown wants to go ahead before meeting “tough rail patronage and employment growth targets” which are obvious indicators the project should go ahead.
    How many of Brown’s council newly appointed watchdogs knew about this key letter?

    Mr Brown said Aucklanders had shown overwhelming support for the rail project, and the private sector was making investment plans around it.

    Like Aucklanders now still support Brown after his one-off mistake of a two year long adultery slip. It would be nice [and should be mandatory] to have a properly conducted poll for each – to show the “overwhelming” support for the rail project, and second: that the similarly claimed support for Brown to remain as Mayor, exists anywhere outside Brown’s mind.

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  37. Colville (1,771 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/9702784/Tom-Latham-in-line-for-New-Zealand-test-callup

    Latham in for Taylor and (for my money) then in for Fulton.

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  38. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    The last update I could find on the legendary Ingham twins Kowtow was this-

    “Ingham, who has a string of convictions, last appeared in court in July 2011 when she was fined $150 for stealing $160 worth of tobacco from a Wellington supermarket.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10837454

    Stay Classy Ingham Twins!

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  39. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    @NostalgiaNZ: “Fenton on the other hand wasn’t blowing her own trumpet or elevating herself as far as I know”

    Have you actually read her trumpet blowing self elevating here: Darien Fenton: ‘It’s a miracle I survived’ – if it was her that wrote it, it doesn’t sound like her.

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  40. nasska (9,506 comments) says:

    The Dept of Conservation should contact DPF for a few tips. :)

    Ref: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11199265

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  41. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Colville – sounds like LAtham deserves a go.

    Maybe with Ryder’s shenanigans they will give the openers one last shot and slot Lathan into the middle order?

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  42. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    @kowotw “It’s almost trolling.”

    Very funny kowotw – and more than a tad ironic considering it’s you who has tried to turn it into a troll troup attack.

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  43. Nostalgia-NZ (4,686 comments) says:

    Yeah, they were rough LK but they probably would have looked good to a 19th century whaler half cut on rum.

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  44. iMP (2,152 comments) says:

    Would Fenton be prepared to “open up” her door to a police sniffer dog?

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  45. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    longknives

    Thanks for the update.

    She berates the father for having nothing to do with her kids but the item states;

    ‘The boys were living together ,but no longer with Ingham’……….oh dear.Nuff said.

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  46. Nostalgia-NZ (4,686 comments) says:

    PG it’s a fair comment for any ex addict or addict to say they were ‘lucky to survive.’ Their addictions can put them in dangerous places with dangerous people, I can’t remember the name of the American author that described it as a monkey on his back. No doubt often as fatal of the stories heard about sheep succumbing to the Kea in the Southern Alps.

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  47. Nostalgia-NZ (4,686 comments) says:

    The coach is due to make an announcement this morning on the futures of Ryder and Bracewell, who I understand are being stood down from the second test squad.

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  48. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Another drug addict (well own here) is fairly scathing of Fenton and raises some questions about “once an addict always an addict” and how hard it is to make the final kick off methadone.

    It is more an exercise in self-aggrandisement piggy-backing on the common-sense being spouted by others/the (accidental) death of hoffman than anything else.

    Fenton is still mirroring the (criminal) silences of all her fellow-politicians.

    And I hafta say if there is one thing I know about that vile muck that is methadone that is it is so addictive that users get down to small amounts daily but that this nazi-smack has such a grip on them that they are unable to do that final ‘kick’.

    One drug addict to another

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  49. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Yoza has posted at The Standard:

    I appear to have been blocked from commenting on Kiwiblog. It seems odd as my last comments were quite banal in a meandering thread about Australian supermarkets banning New Zealand goods – The flip side of protectionism. David Farrar, the National party apparatchik behind Kiwiblog, likes to describe himself as a classical liberal. In his own words, someone who likes to be seen as having:
    “… a belief in individual rights, limited government, private property, free markets, tolerance, and reason.”
    There is, however, no point in saying you believe in individual rights, tolerance and reason if you ban someone from commenting in a forum with a political bent. Silencing those who disagree with your personal political philosophy is an act of cowardice and a tactic more readily adopted by a petty tyrant incapable of tolerating vigorous dissent.

    I am still reading Kiwiblog to see who else has been recently gagged. I haven’t seen anything of late from Tom Jackson or Ross69, but this could be just them not commenting over the last couple of days. My pet theory is David Farrar is slowly snuffing out dissenting elements on his blog as this is an election year, an election year where the result could go either way.

    Does anyone know if Yoza has actually been banned? As far as I’ve seen it’s rare for DPF to ban and he is usually open about it.

    Yoza – if you have too many links in a post it can get trapped in spam filters, that’s one way for comments to not appear.

    I’d be very surprised if DPF is “snuffing out dissenting elements on his blog”. Ironic to see that suggestion made at The Standard.

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  50. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    Yoza typifies totalitarians the world over.

    Hold the opposition to the highest standards: until you come to power and then crush all dissent.

    Extremely dangerous hypocrites.

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  51. Colville (1,771 comments) says:

    You need to call someone a kiddyfiddler, insult our good host or libel a Poly to gets banned here.

    Its all a bit of wishful thinking from Comrade Yoza methinks.

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  52. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    What’s more amusing is that Yoza thinks his idiotic and uninformed comments may play a part in influencing an election.

    That kind of narcissism could only come from David Cunliffe.

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  53. nasska (9,506 comments) says:

    PG

    Haven’t seen anything that suggests that Yoza or Ross69 have been banned. Tom Jackson commented yesterday on the Charter Schools thread.

    Kea got the boot for two months last night but that’s about it.

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  54. Paulus (2,296 comments) says:

    Brown should put his underground railway to a vote by those who say they will use it and those like from the North Shore who will say like 90% of the voters – get stuffed. it is not viable in any circumstances anyway as has been shown.
    Why should Brown’s constituency in South Auckland and many Westies support a railway they will never use.
    Brown is using this opportunity to set up a political stoush with the National government and to try and get his personal profile lifted.
    As a Labour man he will do what he can to embarrass Key and the Government in election year, along with his mates the Herald and Dom.
    He is working hard to get a Labour list seat to save Labour from themselves and ignominy – and he did it “all my way”.

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  55. Colville (1,771 comments) says:

    kea got binned? what for?

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  56. nasska (9,506 comments) says:

    He picked up three lots of 20 demerits on the “When’s the report on other religions?” thread the other day Colville.

    Don’t know where the other 40 came from.

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  57. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    Just went to the Herald online to find if they submitted their stories on the Bank of England fraudulence and Blythe Masters of J P Morgan being stood down due to pressure from Twitter users.

    Guess what….none of those stories have been downloaded by the Herald.

    otoh, Brian Gaynor excellent economic analysis of lack lustre business can be found.

    Gaynow will fly in the face of anyone on this blog and I for one find him a breath of fresh air, doomsayer that he is notwithstanding.

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  58. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Poor old Kea- Not a bad bloke but religion (and coppers) get him all hot under the collar….

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  59. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    Also, here’s Brian Fallow

    Brian Fallow: Govt’s TPP benefit figures in doubt

    Critique of modelling of trade pact windfall maintains too much emphasis placed on questionable assumptions.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/best-of-business-analysis/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501241&objectid=11197310

    Our future is based on National’s faulty assumptions and they want to sign us to those.

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  60. ciaron (1,157 comments) says:

    Drop by and say Hi to Kea here http://arcadianomegafunctor.blogspot.co.nz/

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  61. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    I see Yoza is sitting on 50 demerits.
    Perhaps telling his chums at the Standard that he has been ‘banned by those evil Capitalists’ will give him more ‘Street Cred’??

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  62. ChristineY (7 comments) says:

    People buying and selling through the shadow economy aka the cash economy are not being included in the extensive conversation about inequality and tax bludgers. The seller benefits because the income earned is ‘tax free’. The buyer benefits because the product or service is cheaper. The taxpayer (all of us) don’t benefit because no tax is paid.

    The IRD probably don’t chase it because its too widespread throughout the economy and because the amount of tax that can be recovered from any single tax payer is too small to warrant the effort to prove.

    Here’s an example from my experience. I got some work done on my house by a painter, I provided the paint. He charged me $500 under the table for his labour or $650 if I needed an invoice. Agreeing to pay cash, I got the job done for $150 cheaper. Interestingly the painter is benefiting as well. Assuming he was operating through a company, had I asked for an invoice, he would have passed on 15% for the GST portion ($84.78) and 28% for the net of GST portion in company tax ($158.26). The painter would have retained $406.96 and the tax payer would have got $243.04. Because I paid him cash, he got $93.04 more than he would have had he put it through his books.

    Think about all the people providing cleaning services, lawnmowing or gardening services, dressmaking etc. who are not operating businesses just doing some work on the side to improve their overall income. In all the discussion about inequality and income comparison, none of us know who is getting what additional income through the cash economy. We can all operate in this economy, we know it is rampant and impossible to stop. Some people will think it is morally wrong others will see no wrong in it because the taxpayer is a faceless ‘person’.

    I think it is wrong that it is not acknowledged and taken into account in the discussion about inequality.

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  63. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    People buying and selling through the shadow economy aka the cash economy is not being included in the extensive conversation about inequality and tax bludgers.

    I’ve seen it mentioned occasionally but this doesn’t get anywhere near the attention that other forms of tax avoidance and evasion get.

    Blind eye or in the too hard basket?

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  64. Colville (1,771 comments) says:

    ChristineY

    Having *seen* the other end of this transaction once or twice *cough* I feel qualified to comment. :D

    If the painter had really wanted a win he would have purchased the paint for you as well, written the paint off against other work and put the GST and income tax from the paint in his pocket.

    SWIM (someone who isnt me) may have in the past organised a large cash job or two around Xmas time to have a bit of casssshhh to spend on Xmas booze and a cash bonus for the lads. Asian takeaway outfits genearlly loved work being done for cash, knock the GST off plus a couple of percent and you were in. Its not as tho they declare the incomeor GST anyways and are just looking for value for cash.

    PG.. Too hard to prove and only very small amounts involved. Not worth IRDs time.

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  65. J Bloggs (100 comments) says:

    PG: Because the buyer and seller effectively collude in the arrangement. IRD’s only chance to get someone for cash dealing is for a) someone to tip them off, or b) catch the trader out in an audit.

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  66. Grant (382 comments) says:

    Irony rich vein right here from Yoza:

    “There is, however, no point in saying you believe in individual rights, tolerance and reason if you ban someone from commenting in a forum with a political bent. Silencing those who disagree with your personal political philosophy is an act of cowardice and a tactic more readily adopted by a petty tyrant incapable of tolerating vigorous dissent.”

    Where to start?
    Yoza, can we take this to mean that you personally dont believe in individual rights etc, given that you have posted at the standard where the silencing of those who disagree with Mrs Prentice’s personal political philosophy is standard procedure?

    If I follow your line of reasoning then I have to agree , that, like you, I think that Aunty Lynn is indeed a “petty tyrant incapable of of tolerating vigorous dissent. That last sentence of yours took balls to write.
    G

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  67. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    If they were so worried about inbreeding then why didn’t Copenhagen Zoo just geld the Giraffe and save themselves this PR disaster?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11199188

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  68. Colville (1,771 comments) says:

    J Bloggs.
    Yip audit is the way.
    I know a guy that sells all those lil plastic trays to takeways outfits.
    IRD audits him, gets all his sales info then audits his customers saying you brought 1000 trays so where is the turnover?
    Smart move.

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  69. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    Fenton – is it on the outer? may lose its list place?

    so pulls the junkie card. the left love a victim. how could you throw a hero like fenton out of parliament? it overcame heroin addiction!

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  70. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    IRD does actually look for avoidance of tax through the hiding cash transactions. They compare similar businesses and the amount of taxable income they report, and if one business has relatively low income compared to their expenses they may be investigated.

    But this only addresses businesses that hide sales through cashies. Many individuals deal in the shadow economy, that’s much harder to identify.

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  71. Tom Jackson (2,235 comments) says:

    I’m not banned. My only real crime here is continually calling dime out as a tard, and I think DPF lets that slide on factual grounds. ;-)

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  72. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    A Nick Smith-alike, a UK minister: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2555131/Eric-Pickles-blames-flooding-global-warming-claiming-foreign-aid-spending-help-tackle-situation.html

    Griff would be proud!

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  73. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    dime – it’s been reported that Cunliffe is chatting to all the Labour MPs about their future. I wondered if that was related, Fenton seems to be selling her present far more than being open about her past.

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  74. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson – know it all who failed at life. That is all.

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  75. Carlos (684 comments) says:

    I missed that Redbaiter hasn’t been around for a while. Banned too? If so, for how long?

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  76. nasska (9,506 comments) says:

    Not banned Carlos….just threw his toys out of the cot & went off to play with Justin Bieber on Twitter. :)

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  77. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    Redbaiter felt that he had converted everyone he could here and voluntarily banned himself to seek fresh converts elsewhere. Except I saw him pop up again recently.

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  78. Fletch (5,721 comments) says:

    Ever wonder what happened to Kiwi actor Daniel Logan, who played Boba Fett in the Star Wars prequels? Well, he pops up in the Kickstarter-funded Star Trek Continues as Ensign Tongaroa (although Kirk first mistakes him as Australian in the episode).

    The show is actually very well done, with authentic sets based off the plans of the original TV series and the same music and effects. If you’re at all interested in Star Trek, it is well worth watching. Also features Chris Doohan, the son of original actor James Doohan, playing Scottie; his father’s role.

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  79. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    “Ever wonder what happened to Kiwi actor Daniel Logan, who played Boba Fett in the Star Wars prequels?”

    No.
    * I like to pretend those God-Awful abominations of films never happened….

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  80. srylands (301 comments) says:

    I thinkI have been banned at The Standard again.

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  81. Dean Papa (616 comments) says:

    It’s utterly bizarre LK, you got to wonder at the mentality of the people involved that they could not see that it was a bad idea, for many reasons. The danger of fanaticism. And I’m really surprised it would happen in Denmark, I have to say.

    http://cphpost.dk/news/public-outcry-as-copenhagen-zoo-destroys-young-giraffe.8557.html

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  82. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    Carlos – redbaiter got bored and moved on. it was like groundhog day here. hes on twitter. posts some interesting stuff.

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  83. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    You haven’t been properly banned from The Standard unless you get a long lecture from lprent telling you how stupid you are and how clever and nasty and brave he is (knowing you can’t answer back).

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  84. Tom Jackson (2,235 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson – know it all who failed at life. That is all.

    You failed Standard 2. :)

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  85. ciaron (1,157 comments) says:

    Not banned Carlos….just threw his toys out of the cot & went off to play with Justin Bieber on Twitter.
    Then Pete George wrote a 500 million word sonnet about the Redbaiter shaped hole in his life… :)

    (just tickling yer ribs Pete)

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  86. stephieboy (1,127 comments) says:

    TV One for once ran a fascinating account of the Nisbet murder that saw the case reopened as a result of a Coroner’s inquest . As a result the psycho Helen Milner was duly arrested, charged and convicted of murder.
    An interesting aspect of the case were the typed suicide notes one unsigned and the other signed. The signed note was easily picked up as a forgery by family member Lee- Anne Cartier turned amateur sleuth . This somehow eluded the police investigation which wasn’t that hot.
    But what is interesting is the typed suicide notes. A rather extraordinary thing for Mr Nisbet to do when allegedly bent on suicide.Much, much easier to write one ,surely.?
    This sounds all to familiar now ,doesn’t it.?

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/victim-s-family-never-forgive-evil-helen-milner-5827143

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  87. stigie (628 comments) says:

    Carlos… Reddy throw his toys across the bedroom and down the hallway because he just couldnt take anymore of Nasska’s superior knowledge and wit !~

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  88. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    That’s starting to sound a bit Cunliffe-ish Tom. Or kowtowish.

    @DavidCunliffeMP

    Trolling now @johnkeypm? Sad. You know I wasn’t a minister/member of Cabinet in 2001. You’ve been PM for 6 years, so do today’s job.

    Good grief, Dotcom joins in:

    @KimDotcom

    When a lying fool calls you an idiot and challenges you to a game of beer pong, you know his end is near :-) @DavidCunliffeMP

    Of course it wasn’t necessary for Key to call Cunliffe an idiot.

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  89. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    “You failed Standard 2. ”

    there was a test?

    back when i was failing that, you were playing but never winning this:

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  90. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    That ad and that family are terrifying!

    I always preferred Cluedo anyway…
    “The paperboy did it with the rifle in the lounge!”

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  91. stigie (628 comments) says:

    Hey Srylands, if you kissed Lynettes arse and stop being sensible, they just might let you stay !!

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  92. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    How tragic is the NZ snowboarder who is so desperately trying to get a root at the Olympics?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2554861/Just-wanna-match-Jamaican-bobsleigh-team-The-New-Zealand-snowboard-star-desperate-Olympian-lover-Sochi.html

    I may be old and out of touch (in my late 30s) but do people not have any fucking dignity anymore?

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  93. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    longknives – some chicks will do anything for a 14 inch dick?

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  94. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    [lprent: I looked at a demerit system and vote-up/vote-down systems. I found them a tad impersonal and too easy to use as a crowd bully system. I prefer have some guidelines, a very sharp boundary, and to give adults the personal touch myself. I find it encourages the desired results in a direct manner while limiting "crowd" noise. ]

    Very ironic, crowd bullying is widely practiced and protected at The Standard.

    lprent doesn’t want it too easy for others to use crowd bullying systems because he wants to preserve that for himself and those he allows a free rein/reign.

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  95. kowtow (6,701 comments) says:

    manolo

    Eric Pickles ,I fully expected that kind of bullshit to come from a Lib Dem.

    But Pickles passes himself off as a Conservative!

    Roll on the UKIP.

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  96. Tom Jackson (2,235 comments) says:

    That’s starting to sound a bit Cunliffe-ish Tom

    Not really. Key doesn’t bite, whereas dime does pretty much every time. :)

    Enough for today.

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  97. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    “whereas dime does pretty much every time.”

    only when i see it :D

    its a tough boring here today too

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  98. Pete George (21,806 comments) says:

    ‏@sweary_bear

    Thank fuck we can forget about bushfires and bombings and inconsequential shit while we watch a girl leaving a fucking building.

    Hear hear Sweary Bear. Twitter needs a scalpel taken the ‘news’ obsession.

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  99. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    WORTH A READ
    How and Why you should fight ALL fines by an ex-Police Sergeant.

    My name is Stan. I am a retired Sergeant of Police in Victoria for 14 years. I w…as also a police prosecutor at times, so I know what I am talking about. I spent half my life in Magistrates Court during my time in the Force. I was only ever a very fair copper, and I am proud of my time in the job, looking after the interests of Victorians, often to the detriment of my family and my health.

    I never booked any driver for a trifling offence “ever”. People committing trifling offences commonly used to get a warning and a licence / vehicle check. It had to be serious before I booked anyone.

    I am so annoyed at what is happening these days, in what I call “Indiscriminate revenue gathering” It is absolutely disgusting. The government and the Police Force need to hang their heads in shame. If you did a survey of current serving members of the police forces in this country, you would be hard pushed to find many who disagree with me.

    I know how the legal system works, and I know how to beat the system. This is how to do it, and if about 10% of all drivers booked follow my specific instructions, then the entire system will crash and become unworkable to the extent, that the government will have no choice but to stop issuing fines for every type of traffic offence. The whole lot of them. Seriously.

    I do not feel guilty about coming out with this information, as I think it’s about time someone stood up for hard working, civil minded, law abiding taxpayers in this country, who are being screwed.

    This is very simple and very basic. The idea is to clog up the system in the traffic camera office and the courts by drivers exercising their rights to remain innocent until proven guilty.

    SIMPLE BASIC LEGAL STEPS TO FOLLOW…………….

    1. Do not accept the alleged offence. There are numerous valid reasons to dispute every single alleged offence. Often the charges are incorrect or the evidence is illegally or incorrectly gathered.

    2. Challenge it, tell them that you are going to defend the matter. Make them earn their miserable $150 or $200 or whatever. They have to prepare evidence and witnesses. Just the wages for the camera operator or the Policeman on the day of the court, will be more than the actual fine. You are also taking a camera operator or a member of the Police Force off the street for the day. But it won’t get to that point…..read on….

    3. If a court date is ever set, and it does not suit you, do not accept it, ask for a delay to a time and place that suits you.

    4. When they re set the date, delay it as often as possible. keep pleading not guilty all through the process. You have every right to be sick, or go for an adjournment if the day does not suit for any legitimate reason. For example you may have pressing family or work commitments which prevent you from attending a particular court on a particular day.

    5. If it ever actually gets to court, (which is unlikely if everyone does this) and if you are unwell that day, ring the court in the morning and tell them that you cannot make it as you are sick. The camera operator, and a police prosecutor will already be at court, and will be greatly inconvenienced, by having to come back another day. The whole time this is going on, the amount of paperwork involved at the traffic camera office is huge. Several staff are involved, and it rapidly becomes very costly, probably running into thousands. …..with me so far…..keep reading…….

    6. The court system is then placed under such a massive load by people who wanted “their day in court” that it simply will not be able to cope unless they open up about another 50 magistrates courts, and this is obviously going to cost the government a lot more than any revenue raised. If all the above fails, which is highly unlikely….and you actually go to court and get convicted……you have a right of appeal. Make sure you appeal the conviction. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see what happens. They are not going to spend millions chasing hundreds.

    7 Tell everyone you know to challenge their alleged offences, and the entire system will crash within a few weeks.

    8. Please pass this on. AND ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT YOU ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY AND THAT THERE IS A VERY HIGH PROBABILITY THAT THE EVIDENCE USED AGAINST YOU IS WRONG. YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO CHALLENGE ANY ALLEGED OFFENCE. THIS IS WHY COURTS EXIST….SO USE THEM……A LOT.

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  100. flash2846 (132 comments) says:

    This from The Herald

    Removing Oriwa Kemp’s baby ‘inhumane’
    By Rebecca Malcolm – ROTORUA DAILY POST
    12:30 PM Monday Feb 10, 2014

    One of those who gave evidence into the inquest of Rotorua toddler Nia Glassie believes the woman convicted of abusing the tot should still have the right to be a mother – and has classed the removal of her newborn baby as “inhumane”.
    Rotorua’s Merepeka Raukawa-Tait has spoken out against the move and believes Child, Youth and Family need to answer questions around the support given to Kemp leading up to the baby’s birth.
    Mrs Raukawa-Tait, the former head of Women’s Refuge, said the safety of the child should be the priority but she didn’t believe the child should have just been seized because the mother came with history.
    “I believe it is rather an inhumane response to remove a newborn from its mother.”
    Kemp’s history couldn’t be brushed under the table, but that didn’t mean she’d lost any right to be a mother, Mrs Raukawa-Tait said.

    “MRS RAUKAWA-TAIT – YOU CUNT!!!! – Knowing all that we know (see below) and you think that other CUNT!!! Oriwa Kemp should be around children. I fucking hate you enough to do you in myself”.

    A SHORT BUT TORTURED LIFE (Sickening!)

    Abuse suffered by Rotorua three-year-old Nia Glassie during her short but tortured life included:
    * Kicked in the face, causing her nose to bleed;
    * Hit, slapped, punched and jumped on;
    * Objects such as shoes thrown at her;
    * Verbal insults, for example continually being told she was ugly;
    * Forced into a television cabinet drawer;
    * Dragged through the sandpit half-naked;
    * Shoved into piles of rubbish;
    * Made to bathe in cold water in mid-winter;
    * Folded into a sofa and sat on;
    * Flung against the wall;
    * Held high in the air and dropped to the floor;
    * Used for adult wrestling moves copied from a Playstation game;
    * Whirled rapidly on a rotary clothesline until flung off;
    * Put into a tumble dryer and spun on high temperature;
    * Had her head and feet dangled into the fireplace when the fire was lit;
    * Kicked repeatedly in the head because she was crying;
    * Left lying in a coma for 36 hours without medical attention.
    Nia Glassie died on August 3, 2007, from massive bleeding between her skull and brain, 12 days after being taken to hospital.

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  101. thedavincimode (6,117 comments) says:

    So, do the rate-paying beachgoers, boaties and residents of the Waitemata Harbour coastline think it’s good that the shameless, lying, deceitful, shifty, weaselling and premature ejaculating Mayor spends this initial $250 mill on his silly trainset, or would they prefer that the money was spent on fixing that city’s third world sewage and stormwater system so that the city’s William the Thurds don’t set sail on the harbour whenever it rains.

    Vote green if you think that pants down Brown is just a fcuking cnut.

    Vote red if you think: “no way, I like looking at and swimming in shit, especially if it’s somebody else’s and in fact, let’s save money by abandoning the entire sewage system and just pour it into the harbour”

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  102. wikiriwhis business (3,286 comments) says:

    ‘Nostalgia- “Our Ingham twins”

    No ones heard anything of them again. bet they dead after moving to the Muslim country with their husbands.

    They were around long before anyone knew the cruelty of Muslims against females. They certainly found out no doubt.

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  103. nasska (9,506 comments) says:

    ….”the shameless, lying, deceitful, shifty, weaselling and premature ejaculating Mayor”….

    You left off diseased (chlamydia ridden) & wanking Davinci. The ratepayers deserve the full picture. :)

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  104. thedavincimode (6,117 comments) says:

    nasska

    This is a family blog, so my description was truncated out of respect for the sensitivities of others.

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  105. nasska (9,506 comments) says:

    Quite sensible Davinci……children & those of a sensitive disposition need to be protected from graphic descriptions of the state of health & reaction times of the Mayoral appendage. :)

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  106. thedavincimode (6,117 comments) says:

    need to be protected from graphic descriptions of the health & reaction times of the Mayor’s appendage.

    You refer of course to his red raw festering and disease-ridden appendage nasska …?

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  107. nasska (9,506 comments) says:

    Snap! :)

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  108. thedavincimode (6,117 comments) says:

    I thought so. But of course, I could never bring myself to say that.

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  109. wreck1080 (3,522 comments) says:

    there you go, tauranga council just voted an inflation busting 6.7% rates increase — some 300% higher than the inflation rate.

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  110. RF (1,128 comments) says:

    Dear God. Pass me the smelling salts. I just looked at a TV3 interview with Mr. Ed trying to shaft John key about the Aussie trip. I had to turn it off as I could not stand the dribble from the pearly one. Bloody Labour just will not let it go.

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  111. Nukuleka (77 comments) says:

    STUFF tells us:

    ‘Murder accused Mauha Huatahi Fawcett told police he said “Sieg heil” and he and other Mongrel Mob members barked like dogs during the assault that killed Christchurch sex worker Ngatai Lynette Manning, the Crown says.

    Crown prosecutor Pip Currie said it was the Crown case that Fawcett, now aged 26, had been directed to stab Manning, 27, when he was a gang prospect for the Aotearoa chapter of the Mongrel Mob in December 2008.

    The gang had been involved in “minding” and “taxing” sex workers plying their trade along the city’s red light district in Manchester St, she told the High Court in Christchurch.’

    Well, well, well… Who would believe it. Remember how the ‘decriminalise prostitution’ lobby lead by Tim Barnett managed to get prostitution laws changed back in 2003 in order to get prostitution away from gang control? And yet 5 years later in 2008 we had the Mongrel Mob taxing the hookers whilst they plied their merry little trade on Christchurch’s Manchester St. And no doubt they and other gangs are continuing to do so in towns and cities throughout NZ as I type.

    There is a message in this for all those Kiwibloggers and ACT Party apparatchiks who tell us that recreational drugs should similarly be decriminalised as this will get drug supply away from the clutches of similar gangs.

    It ain’t gonna happen, chappies. Your arguments are hollow. Where there are hookers there are gangs ready to get their cut. Where their are drugs there will be gangs wanting their share of the action.

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  112. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    Lovely Aussie immigrants: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/02/09/20/52/six-men-gang-rape-girl-14-in-sydney

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  113. axeman (250 comments) says:

    EAD (139 comments) says: February 10th, 2014 at 8:29 am
    Now this what REAL journalism looks like:

    Yes EAD but how long before lamestream-media calls CAGW, the greatest scientific fraud in history?

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/06/satellites-show-no-global-warming-for-17-years-5-months/

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  114. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    When Kim Dotcom looked around the world for a country he could USE as a bolthole
    to avoid facing Justice in the USA he chose NZ.

    He thought, fuck, if a loser like Bill Liu can have Labour politicians jumping through hoops
    for just $25.000 then this is the country for me.
    Think what I could achieve if I put on a fireworks display for these fools ?

    Now, with just the fukin hint that there cud be some dollars in the offing Labour and the Greens
    want to offer Dotcom amnesty.

    Surely our National Pride can’t let this happen ?

    Have we actually got any National Pride left ?

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  115. Colville (1,771 comments) says:

    anyone trying to buy cricket world cup tickets?
    I keep getting “try again later”
    furrrrrrrk!

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  116. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    But seriously folks.

    What sort are we ?

    A cunning criminal can suss us out ?

    Dot com uses us.
    Fuck, he plays us.
    Shit. the only thing that would amaze you about New Zealand is how
    fukin little it takes to buy a political party .
    Dotcom did his home work.

    The sad thing is that soooo many sheeple jump in behind Dotcom it makes u want 2 PUKE.

    Makes you puke your guts eh.

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  117. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Colville – did you pre-register before 5 Feb?

    If not, I don’t think you can buy them until they go on sale to the general public (on Friday I think).

    I got tickets to NZ v Aus pool game at Eden Park and the semi at Eden Park…will be incredible atmosphere at those 2.

    Might go for South Africa v Pakistan also

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  118. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    It would be interesting to elucidate the gems that may be in the offing when we
    ask a jurist like nickb to offer an opinion.

    ( horror, means stick your neck out baby)

    If you, nickb were the prosecutor in the Lundy case,
    How would you change things since the last case ?
    How would u put your case ?

    What scenario would you serve up ?

    Do you, nickb think Lundy is guilty ?

    i guess thats goodnite from nickb.

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  119. Scott Chris (5,677 comments) says:

    Aww did Kea get banned? What a shame. :lol:

    Oh well, here’s something to remember her by:

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  120. nasska (9,506 comments) says:

    When I heard a chorus of, ‘No one likes us, we don’t care’ from around the corner I shat myself, thinking it was a gang of Mongrel Mob prospects.

    Imagine my relief when I realised it was just the CCCP candidates practising their new election jingle.

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  121. srylands (301 comments) says:

    I see that the price of Ipredict stocks in “There will be a Labour Prime Minister after the 2014 General Election” has fallen to a new 12 months record low, breaking the 37 cents barrier at 8pm today.

    PM.2014.LABOUR
    Last Trade Price: $0.3659

    https://www.ipredict.co.nz/app.php?do=contract_detail&contract=PM.2014.LABOUR
    :-) :-)

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  122. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Hey, Jesse Ryder comments here!

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  123. Colville (1,771 comments) says:

    nickb
    yes registered and have password
    I just want tickets to NZ vs Eng at Wellybum
    be a cracker for atmosphere I reckon.

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  124. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    Poor old Kea, DPF could do the bird brained freak a favour and make the ban permanent, at least we won’t have GD filled with his bigoted religous hate columns!

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  125. Colville (1,771 comments) says:

    ha na have it sorted
    I am rooted
    I have a P O box as my billing addy and they will not accept that as DELIVERY addy even if I am printing them myself!

    Tards!

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  126. Johnboy (13,386 comments) says:

    Good God. Has Kea gone again? Just when DOC were coming up with a solution to stop him/her constantly taking the poison bait!! :)

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11199265

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  127. Scott Chris (5,677 comments) says:

    Three guys are drinking in a bar when a drunk comes in, staggers up to them, and points at the guy in the middle, shouting, “I just did your mama in the kitchen.”
    Everyone expects a fight, but the guy ignores him and the drunk wanders off and stands at the far end of the bar.
    Ten minutes later, the drunk comes back, points to the same guy, and says, “I just took your mama doggy style, and it was swe-e-et!”
    Again the guy refuses to take the bait, and the drunk wanders off.
    Ten minutes later he comes back and announces, “Your mom even let me…”
    Finally the guy sighs and says, “Go home, Dad – you’re drunk!”

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  128. Tauhei Notts (1,509 comments) says:

    Spare a thought for those Aussie taxpayers.
    I have just seen a programme on Comedy Central called Housos.
    It is possibly the worst programme to ever come out of Australia.
    Kath and Kim had humour, but Housos is the pits. And it is paid for by their SBS taxpayer funded artsy crafty bullshit. It must be awfully embarrassing to most Australians.
    It is worth watching just to see how far those film makers, with their mouth engorged on the taxpayers’ tits, can descend. Caution; watching it might endanger your mental health.
    Ja’ame seems a little bit better, but not by much.

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  129. thedavincimode (6,117 comments) says:

    Steady on T Notts. Housos is an excellent docudrama and a wonderful insight into suburban life in the lucky country.

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  130. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    No hope and no change: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/10/obama-far-outpaces-predecessors-in-appointing-donors-to-foreign-posts/

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  131. Dean Papa (616 comments) says:

    Never ‘eard of it. But it looks like it might be quite good,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housos

    “Kev Taumata as Kevin Takamata” tee-hee!

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  132. Tauhei Notts (1,509 comments) says:

    Davincimode” like a good urologist you are taking the piss.

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