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Why does Associate Health Minister Tariana Turia never mention, in the context of New Zealand being smokefree by 2025, the manufacture in Petone of six billion cigarettes a year for Australia – about quarter if the Australian consumption rate? And is it in the spirit of CER to stamp out something here because it kills Kiwis, but export it to Aussies so it can kill them?
So the Herald are happily back to sucking up to Brown. We’re back to ‘Brown’s office released’ and ‘Brown’s office said’ with lots of ‘good news’ from our dishonourably crooked mayor. Seriously, these people are just moral vaccuums.
Poor old Hey Clint; he’s spinning so fast that he is in danger of disappearing into the ether, but he is defending the indefensible. Faced with an opportunity, Russel Norman’s political instincts deserted him, and Clint now has to clean up the mess…
It certainly looks like a sniff of power became intoxicating for Russel Norman. His soft explanations won’t repair the substantial damage caused by his Dotcom liaisons.
Norman is sticking to his bizarre claim that while he wanted to meet Dotocm and talk to him about his (political) party plans he can’t remember who made the first contact. Very ironic ‘brain fade’, and John Banks is laughing.
It doesn’t make any difference who rang who first. It was probably neither Norman nor Dotcom, more likely to be a minion.
Lecher Len and the obese criminal slug are sure getting an armchair ride by APN. These scum should be sorted out once and for all, they are neither use nor ornament, and if in Putin’s territory, they would be treated accordingly, rightfully so!
the ac/dc view ? of politics…
You got problems in your life of love/huh, huh, huh, huh
You got a broken heart/huh, huh, huh
He’s double-dealin’ with your best friend/huh, huh, huh, huh, huh
That’s when the teardrops start FELLA, well-uh/huh, huh, huh
Pick up the phone, I’m here alone/huh, huh, huh, huh, huh
Or make a social call/huh, huh, huh, huh
Come right in, forget about him
We’ll have ourselves a ball, eh (appropriate for a big city mayor+ minor party leaders)
Dirty deeds done dirt cheap…… ”
if this lot(Green?Red Luigi Thingy) hold the reins of power come December….”Dirty Deeds done to sheep”…will ring truer.
It certainly looks like a sniff of power became intoxicating for Russel Norman.
It speaks volumes about his naivety and that of his advisors and colleagues who knew what he was planning before he did it, that he never calculated the obvious blowback potential not just of the Dotcom visits but of his implication he would overrule the court if necessary.
While many of his voters might be naive children, he has had years in the arena to learn how it all works but clearly he hasn’t learned a thing and I imagine a lot of the Remuera housewives in the Green camp will be looking at someone else to vote for after this episode plays out. The next few polls will be interesting.
Drinkies time at my club yesterday.
One bloke from the chemical firm that specialises in farm fertilisers tells the story.
“We were told that one of our products is used in the manufacture of pseudoephedrine. Steps were put in place to watch carefully who was buying it. One dude, who is not a farmer, wanted 21 kg of the stuff. Alarm bells rang and we got his phone number and car registration and told him to come back tomorrow. Then went to the local cops to report what was happening. The cop seemed rather bored when given the details. The cop’s attention seemed to fade a little, until he was brought to full attention when he looked out the window and remarked;
Did you see that woman talking on her cell phone just then? We must apprehend her!”
The bloke from the fert works was seriously underwhelmed.
Tauhei Notts illustrates the foolishness of his society that believes talking on a cellphone while driving is acceptable.
jcuk perfectly demonstrates to all the fallacious confusion that infects your average lefty by firstly completely missing the actual point Tauhei was making and secondly then raising a complaint about something that Tauhei wasn’t even guilty of in the first place.
“When you hit someone’s kid, don’t be surprised if they curbstomp you. I would.”
It’s texting that’s the problem.
But see cops are going to give cars a twirl around to check lights, indicators, tyres, horn, rust in a 5 point check from next year if a vehicle is stopped. Now we know why they extended the detaining time a few years back.
“Highlighting comments by Transport Minister Patrick McLoughlin earlier on Wednesday that there was no “blank cheque” for flood spending, opposition Labour party leader Ed Miliband asked Cameron exactly what his promise covered.
Speaking at the prime minister’s weekly parliamentary grilling, Miliband also questioned plans to cut the number of staff at the Environment Agency dealing with floods. ‘
Funny how the peoples needs always come first at election time in any mans language.
Why is it that the Anglo countries suffer from this weird disease where a large part of the population read a law that says “Don’t do X” as “Don’t do X unless I really want to”?
This doesn’t happen so much in other countries. I’m always shocked on coming back to an Anglo country at just how much feral, lawless behaviour there is from all parts of society. For example, some people still don’t understand that if you want to exercise your dog off leash, you go to a dog park.
Under the Obama Administration, the United States freedom of the press drops to 46 in world rankings.
The Obama administration’s handling of whistleblower Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency leaks and the investigation of a string of leaks produced a plunge in the country’s rating on press freedoms and government openness, according to a global survey released Tuesday.
The U.S. under President Obama, who once promised to run the “most transparent” administration in the country’s history, fell from 32nd to 46th in the 2014 World Press Freedom Index, a drop of 13 slots. The index, compiled by the press advocacy group Reporters Without Borders, analyzes 180 countries on criteria such as official abuse, media independence and infrastructure to determine how free journalists are to report.
Two senators are suing Obama on behalf of every phone user in the United States because of the NSA spying and collection of metadata.
WASHINGTON — Are you an American? Do you use a phone?
If the answer is yes, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul is suing President Obama on your behalf and former Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli is now your attorney.
On Wednesday, Paul — along with the conservative group FreedomWorks — filed a federal lawsuit against Obama, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, Director of National Security Agency Keith Alexander and FBI Director James Comey over the government’s collection of telephone metadata.
“We believe that this lawsuit could conceivably represent hundreds of millions of people who have phone lines in this country or cell phones,” Paul said from the steps of the federal courthouse in Washington D.C. on Wednesday after filing his suit.
“This we believe will be an historic lawsuit,” the Republican lawmaker said. “We think it may well be the largest class action lawsuit ever filed on behalf of the Bill of Rights.”
Reports of the trial of the Mongre Mob POS accused of Mellory Manning’s murder make very grim reading (As an aside, he is a POS even if he is found not guilty of this particular crime by virtue of his “prospecting” for the Mob)
This is the organisation that the Maori Party insists is “just another form of whanau.” Whenever I criticised gangs during my time in the House, Turia or Sharples would ALWAYS interject – usually not loudly enough for Hansard to record their comments – claiming that “gangs are just whanau”. Think about that…a claim that an organization which requires its prospective members to commits sickening acts of violence to become a full member as “just another whanau”…What does that say about Maori culture and values, and about customary whanau?
Tom Jackson (2,117 comments) says:
February 13th, 2014 at 10:28 am
Lawless and feral behaveiour etc in Anglo countries.?
You obviously haven’t visited the slums of Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro .
Fletch, re drop in Freedom of the Press rankings.? That’s hard to reconcile with the huge proliferation of e.g blogs both far left, left,Center ,Right and far right within the US.Not to mention Conspiracy web sites and Fox News.
Something is not quite right there.
BTW NSA surveillance began long before Obama came onto the scene.
Do these ‘demands’ for cash payments from Kiwi suppliers for “past losses”, and threats that that if they did not make the payments, they faced permanent exclusion from the shelves, and further threats of ‘blacklisting’ if they told anyone about the demands – constitute ‘bribery and corruption’ under the NZ Secret Commissions Act 1910?
In this Act, unless a contrary intention appears,—
agent includes any person who is or has been, or desires or intends to be, employed by or acting for any other person, whether as agent, servant, broker, auctioneer, architect, solicitor, director, or in any other capacity whatever, either alone or jointly with any other person
principal includes any person by whom an agent is or has been, or intends or desires to be, employed, or for whom an agent acts or has acted, or intends or desires to act
consideration means valuable consideration of any kind; and particularly includes discounts, commissions, rebates, bonuses, deductions, percentages, employment, payment of money (whether by way of loan, gift, or otherwise howsoever), and forbearance to demand any money or valuable thing.
Yep……in the last 50yrs cb radios in trucks, buses and taxis have never been targeted by police – but now they tell us that talking on a mobile phone is dangerous.
If the police want to then say that those people are professional drivers – well then that’s fine – as going over the speed limit by 4kms per hr is then the actions of people who arn’t professional drivers……so why then are the general public being fined for at least trying to be professional law abiding drivers?
I was once on 1 demerit point and I was constantly looking at the speedometer so as not to go over 50K limits in the city……it was the most dangerous act I have committed while driving – constantly taking my eyes off the road where cyclists, car doors, pedestrians, ect were a hazard.
The police traffic managers too – are also now becoming a road hazard. 😎
“Brown is running amok would be the better headline.”
I shouldn’t have been surprised about the virtual lack of any MSM news on Brown’s 250 million bribe to Key to get the loopy loop to nowhere underway. They are definitely protecting their man. How many people does Len now have to write his propaganda?
Whose 250 million was that Len? Or am I going to find out in the next rates demand?
I am now much more sympathetic to the Detroit situation. I couldn’t understand how could they get like that. I am starting to understand that this is what happens when socialists get access to other peoples money. They can’t seem to help themselves.
Penny Bright – Do these ‘demands’ for cash payments from Kiwi suppliers for “past losses”, and threats that that if they did not make the payments, they faced permanent exclusion from the shelves, and further threats of ‘blacklisting’ if they told anyone about the demands – constitute ‘bribery and corruption’ under the NZ Secret Commissions Act 1910?
No, Penny, it is neither ‘corruption’ or ‘bribery’, it is ‘extortion’
stephieboy, yes they would be, but then many of those organizations have been attacked or spied on for political reasons.
For instance, at least 20 phone lines of the Associated Press were tapped, James Rosen, chief Fox News Washington correspondent was subject to Govt monitoring, Sharyl Attkisson from CBS (one of the few journalists to keep up the reporting on the Fast And Furious scandal) had her computer hacked.
It’s to the point that the AP says that sources are afraid to talk because the Govt will find out –
As a result of the Justice Department’s seizure of Associated Press phone records, many of the news agency’s sources now refuse to talk, out of fear that the government will find out.
AP president and CEO Gary Pruitt on Wednesday condemned the DOJ for acting as a “judge, jury and executioner” by seizing AP phone records and refusing to give the news agency notice of the subpoena.
The government’s actions have caused anonymous sources to retreat in silence, afraid that they could become a target of a government leak investigation.
“Some of our longtime trusted sources have become nervous and anxious about talking with us, even on stories that aren’t about national security.” Pruitt said in a speech at the National Press Club. “And in some cases, government employees we once checked in with regularly will no longer speak to us by phone, and some are reluctant to meet in person.”
The AP chief called the effect of the DOJ investigation “chilling”, and said many news agencies are now losing sources that they have long relied on.
“Journalists from other news organizations have personally told me that it has intimidated both official and nonofficial sources from speaking to the as well,” Pruitt said, noting that this should alarm “everyone in this country.”
Fletch,hold the govt. to account. ? What do you think there doing now with all those links you posted.?
James Rosen Fox News was subject to Government monitoring.?
Rather ironical given Murdoch’s News Corporation deep involvement in Phone hacking that has moved to the US.
Where’s the accountability there.?
“What does that say about Maori culture and values, and about customary whanau?”
What that says is that Maori will excuse their own people of anything simply based on he colour of their skin. It matters not if the POS raped, bashed and killed a white motherfucker, what matters to them is that the criminal is brown.
We will NEVER get on top of the Maori crime wave sweeping this nation as long as people like Turia, Sharples and Hatfield keep making excuses for them.
Don’t forget Lecher Len, this obese slug is creating a damn good diversion for the dishonest pervert at the moment. While one must confront the current criminal, the Lecher must not be let off the hook.
HSBC Judge Approves $1.9 Billion Accord on Money Laundering
$1.9 billion agreement with the U.S. to resolve charges it enabled Latin American drug cartels to launder billions of dollars was approved by a federal judge.
U.S. District Judge John Gleeson in Brooklyn, New York, signed off yesterday on a deferred-prosecution agreement, a critical component of the London-based bank’s settlement. Gleeson said in his order that he was exercising “supervisory power” over the deal even though the bank and government contended he didn’t have authority to approve or deny it.
Longknives I love how they say “in the later half of her sentence she has shown blah blah” FFS she hasn’t even started the later half of her sentence she’s only 5 years into a 9 year term. What’s the bet she will be up the duff with in 6 months of getting out, they should sterilise the bitch but that would impede upon her human rights pity she’s not human.
I’m sure I’m not the only one who’d have volunteered to administer a piece of lead to every one of those POS involved in the abuse of little Nia.
This is not Maori bashing I couldn’t give a flying fuck if they were brown, black, white, yellow or purple with pink polka dots, no amount of contrition can possible make up for the abuse that little girl endured over the period of her short blameless life.
So Lucille Scollay came home, decided that she had had a fukin gutsfull, grabbed a knife, straddled her sleeping
husband, stabbed the knife into his heart, killed him, and a jury of drongs determined that she didn’t really mean
to kill him.
Either the Crown prosecuter was incompetant or the “judge” was.
been married 20 odd years? got a wife that has a boyfriend? then you better wear a stab proof vest to bed. Your
obsolete my baby, my poor old fashioned baby. Your voice will never be heard, your fukin nuthin, you deserved
Is it now a mittigating factor in crime in NZ that, ‘I was in a shitty mood your honour, I had been smoking ‘P” with
my boyfriend and was really, really stressed out.’ Surely you can understand ?
Yep, “more to the case?” that is what you might think but sadly, not so.
Your last sentence spells out what is so fukin wrong with this perverse decision.
A poor murdered sod has been offerred up as deserving to be killed.
Evidence was given that he sufferred from scabies to an extant that he could only get relief from
it by smoking cannabis. FFS Well then, its obvious to any right thinking person that he deserved to
be murdered. Thats only reasonable. Right ?
From now on in New Zealand, if you are a fukin slag wife, with a boyfriend, married to a bloke who
pisses you off then, if you kill your husband thats understandable.
People should think about this.
This is crap. This is wrong. This is a travesty of Justice.
So if I fall off the rails and become a dysfunctional shithead, get a hot rooting girlfriend, and then kill my pothead wife; it is all OK?
Someone needs to be taken out the back and shot – and it ain’t me
Fletch, the decline in press freedom ranking in the USA and the paranoia amongst longstanding media sources is a result of revelations by wikileaks and Snowden. It’s a belated awareness of a longer standing circumstance – it is the combination of new tech capacity and the security legislation passed since 9/11.
In answer to the Valentines Day card I received from my girlfriend this year:
I’m afraid you were wrong when you wrote that love causes the tide to turn. It is actually the result of the changing positions of the Moon and Sun relative to the Earth, coupled with the effects of Earth rotation and the bathymetry of oceans, seas and estuaries.
In addition to this, it is not love which makes the stars shine. Instead, a star shines as a result of a thermonuclear fusion in its core releasing energy that traverses the star’s interior and then radiates into outer space.
Also, it is not love that makes flowers grow. It is, in fact, a complex electron transfer process known as photosynthesis, when chlorophyll reacts to the light created by the sun.
Finally, kisses, believe it or not, are not rain drops. Rain drops are, as it happens, liquid precipitation. It is the condensation of atmospheric water vapour into drops heavy enough to fall, not kisses.
To conclude, this relationship is not working. As nice as your tits are, I can not stand to listen to your drivel any longer.
An interesting column by a historian Paul Moon in the Herald lamenting the opposition to the bible in schools programme (or is that lamenting the effectiveness of such opposition when it has widespread support).
However, his argument that the programme is part of our culture and history and thus should continue in schools is weak. He of course really means that Christianity has been part of our culture and history and should continue – but is unwilling to say so outright. Because then he would be arguing for the state indoctrinating children with a religious instruction in schools to enable this.
A more with it historian would have approached the issue with the history of religion in education – the Anglican monopoly on higher education in England, the American separation of church and state, and the evolution of schooling here. Missionaries formed the first schools but sought state funding – this came with secular identity with some non denominational religious education. Alongside the state system there were private schools (including Catholic that remained separate), then came integrated schools with their own religious character and now charter schools.
Parents who want a religious education for their children can do so via private schools and integrated schools (and for a while at least charter schools). And parents who children in state schools also know that out of secular school hours their children can go to “Sunday” schools. The bible in schools programme is really an attempt to provide this education to the children of parents who do not choose any of these options for their children and is an attempt to maintain a continuance of a cultural tradition of religious instruction to children – so that the gospel is known to all (including floods of the world), and so the unwatered adult has the knowledge to fear and obey God before someone comes to their door with a red coloured book witness about the apocalypse (Greek word for revelation about end time judgment of the world – like the days of Noah).
Pita Sharples organised a hui to prove Maoris aren’t dumb, before a huge crowd of Iwi he called on Tame Iti to step forward and answer some questions.
Tame, what is 7×7? Tame thought about it and replied 44, disappointed Sharples said soory Tame that’s wrong, the crowd cried out ‘give him another chance’ Tame what is 6+8? 12 replied Tame, dismayed Sharples said sorry Tame that’ not right, the crowd yelled ‘give him another chance’ Tame what is 1+1? Tame thought about it for a long time, 2 he replied, the crowd yelled ‘Give him another chance”..
PS. The bible in schools programme can be replaced by
1. a bible programme during school holidays
2. developing a bible for children on-line site. For any child interested, as well as those looking for a resource/supllement to their Sunday school programme.
3. development of a world civilisation programme within social studies (this would incorporate religion/faith tradition of peoples of the world as well as foundations of modern secular society).
(1) Are you frothing with excitement at the return of the GC ?
(2) ‘Should fizzy drinks be banned?’ – Campbell Live. The reporter demonstates how much sugar is in one 1.5 litre soft drink bottle. By spooning fifty teaspoons into a smallish tea cup. Good one mate !! The tea cup holds how much ? 200-250mls ? How idiotic can you get ? ‘Why would anyone want to drink this much sugar ?’ Not many people if you put all the sugar in one tea cup, clearly. If it’s spread over 1.5 litres – it’s not good – but it’s not insane either.
The reporter says ‘Why would anyone want to drink 1.5 litres of anything? (in one serving)’. Say what ?? I drink gallons of tea every day. No sugar, splash of trim milk. You’ve got to drink something fool. On occasion I’ve downed two 1.5 litre bottles of Pepsi Max in a relatively short space of time. To me it’s no less enjoyable than full sugar soft drink. Why would I want to do it ? It lights up my pleasure centres and releases happy chemicals in my brain and body.
Talk about dumbing everything down for the lowest common denominator yeah nah simpleton diddles out there in duh duh land.
Is that really their demographic ? Thicko dipshits who care about issues but are too dumb to see through some of their nonsense ?
Thanks DJP6-25 2.44pm, will be sure to check him out there.
Here is one of the best examples of how to get fired in less than 5 minutes for being a bit too “truthy” on the mainstream media. Judge Napolitano was gone within 3 days after speaking a bit or truth to power.
The bible in schools programme is really an attempt to provide this education to the children of parents who do not choose any of these options for their children and is an attempt to maintain a continuance of a cultural tradition of religious instruction to children
It’s a sad fact that 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of those against religion have not even a passing acquaintance with what it’s about, as opposed to what they think in their hallucination it’s about from their selective observation of (normally the most peculiar of) people who are religious.
But you can’t tell them that. They “know.” Yeah, right.
Bibles in schools is a bit of a waste of time, in that as a child, reading those words will mean nothing whatsoever to you unless you’re a prodigy. Religion is best transmitted in the home.
But it’s a gesture. And given that we have all sorts of real actual memes in school these days like teaching pre-pubescent youngsters how to masturbate and endless discussion about AGW, why not have an actual thing that reflects our Judeo-Christian heritage, or do people who get hysterical about religion want to pretend that never happened?
From observation, such as the story on the guy who insisted bible studies move outside school hours the other day, non-religious people are in fact hysterical nitwits, who are reacting as if the merest hint of religion is unacceptable brain-washing. Which makes about as much logical sense as did the middle-ages witch hunts. But these idiots hallucinate they’re being “rational.” On any measure at all, they’re being anything but, when you look at what harm it brings.
Take this nonce nostrodamus for example.
Squealing like a stuck pig @ 9.21
Just a joke.
Talk about a lightweight, ………
I’m happy to put my intellectual credentials up for comparison with yours anytime, dickhead. You first. Give it your best shot. Of course, if you measure life achievements in terms of whisky bottles consumed… oh dear… you said it quite well earlier: “Well, no one is expecting an answer from a tosser like you, but suprise [sic] us all you fuckwit, say something.” So say something.
February 13th, 2014 at 9:56 am
and jcuk is the sort who drives at 80k’s in the right hand lane..
NOT ME 🙂 but I am amused when my son does and he normally lives in the States and the ‘right lane’ is the ‘slow lane’ 🙂 🙂
But I agree I am an old duffer becuase I don’t even have a radio on in any of my vehicles … much too distracting. Driving is a serious but highly pleasurable activity for me and I concentrate on what I am doing when behind the wheel. Be it truck or car.
It’s Helberg for goodness sake not Halburt. The man is one of our greats, the least you could do is get his name right.
As for the NZ rugby team and it’s “award”…….. so bloody what. The awards are rigged when it comes to the NZ rugby team, they seem to create new categories just so some munter can come up to the stage and grunt a few words in thanks.