General Debate 18 February 2014

February 18th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Colville (2,298 comments) says:

    300 is going to be a big milestone for McCullum today :D

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  2. iMP (2,420 comments) says:

    Dear Dr Norman. This is what a “metaphor” is…

    metaphor |ˈmetəˌfôr; -fər|
    noun
    a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable : “I had fallen through a trapdoor of depression,” said Mark, who was fond of theatrical metaphors | her poetry depends on suggestion and metaphor.

    • a thing regarded as representative or symbolic of something else, esp. something abstract : the amounts of money being lost by the company were enough to make it a metaphor for an industry that was teetering.

    Even if you use a metaphor to defame and denigrate someone else, such as calling them a “faggot”, that will land you in court.

    Just have the integrity to apologise and retract.

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  3. Longknives (4,868 comments) says:

    The kiss of death Colville?

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  4. All_on_Red (1,644 comments) says:

    Now now iMP, never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake. Besides, might be fun to watch Norman squirm.

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  5. Longknives (4,868 comments) says:

    Speaking of sports- Something that is really fucking me off.
    Is anyone else sick to death of hearing about all the partying the NZ Winter Olympic team is doing?
    Every report on the NZ team seems to be about someone either looking for a root or planning a big night out.
    There was even a comment from one of our beaten snowboarders the other day saying something like ‘It’s all about the nightlife really’!
    So let me get this right- The taxpayer funded NZ Olympic team, who haven’t even got a sniff of a medal, are having the time of their lives at our expense?
    I wonder if the Russian and Scandinavian athletes are treating the Olympics as one big party??

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  6. EAD (1,296 comments) says:

    After reading in the Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11204355) about NZ being in a similar position to Ireland in 2007 before it blew up spectacularly, I decided to do a bit of investigation and spoke to some friends here at the global prop desks in London to get the real oil rather than the typically lightweight NZ Herald business reporting.

    Firstly as a qualifier, NZ assessed alone as a country is in reasonable financial shape in comparison with other countries, but then again being the best looking horse at the glue yard doesn’t stop you going to the knackers…

    In reality NZ is being viewed as a second derivative, highly convex cheap bet of China’s collapse. Their view is that NZ is a credit bubble built on a commodity/agricultural market built on an even bigger Chinese credit bubble – i.e. it is a leverage leverage, a CDO squared. When the Chinese credit bubbles goes pop, NZ will suffer doubly as all of our trading partners are exposed to the same phenomenon, particularly Australia.

    It is well known that China has inflated the mother of all bubbles post-2008 and as a result, all countries exposed to that bubble have appeared to do well in comparison to other socialist states in Western Europe. At the same time in the middle of a bull market for our main exports, we’ve managed to increase Govt debt from $10 billion in July 2008 to near $65 billion along with massive increases in household debt which now leaves us vulnerable to economic shocks. This all under a supposedly “right wing” government which should be fiscally conservative.

    If you want to read more about the real situation in China I suggest visiting Zerohedge as it has by far the best financial analysis in the media:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-14/western-banks-and-china-interesting-times-are-coming
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-25/chart-day-how-chinas-stunning-15-trillion-new-liquidity-blew-bernankes-qe-out-water

    Without wanting to sound too alarmist, it would be prudent to spread any cash around several of banking institutions in case of a “bail-in” and I would also recommend holding some precious metals just in case.

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  7. Simon (760 comments) says:

    Well done Wussel. If there is no freedom of speech there is nothing.

    Wussel just made Colin Craig his bitch.

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  8. All_on_Red (1,644 comments) says:

    Yes Simon, and now Russell will learn about the responsibility part which comes with free speech. Woof.

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  9. Simon (760 comments) says:

    And Wussel you retard who gives a shit what you find offensive or not.

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  10. dime (10,100 comments) says:

    Longknives – yeah thats bullshit.

    i saw an article about some blonde we have over there who was hoping to be fucked by the jamican bob sled team or some such. class.

    the winter olympics are a joke. apart from the hockey.

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  11. stephieboy (3,386 comments) says:

    One thing is for sure is that Colin Craig and his Conservatives are a lot more inclusive on gay issues than hitherto thought.
    Fletch and other cons will be very pleased and relieved no doubt.

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  12. dime (10,100 comments) says:

    Russel Norman lisping away on newstalk zb. apparently he doesn’t want to ban anything in the bedroom.. that would be the only place that’s a ban free zone! what is the greens ban list up to? 150 things?

    I dont know if hes guilty of defamation but i know hes guilty of trying to get a cheap pop from a gay crowd.

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  13. Pete George (23,681 comments) says:

    metaphor |ˈmetəˌfôr; -fər|
    newspeak

    a figure of speech when it’s me telling the lies

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  14. Longknives (4,868 comments) says:

    “..trying to get a cheap pop from a gay crowd.”

    Pun intended?

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  15. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    Every good socialist knows there is a price to ‘free speech.’ In Norman’s Red Utopia no doubt that would be the suppression of anything that disagrees with the party line. In our social democracy, it is somewhat different. You can say what you like about whomever you please, even outside the bounds of parliamentary privilege. However you have to live by the consequences if those statements end up to be a total falsehood.

    He could even have prevented any action by prefacing his statement with “In my honest opinion” – that way it is not a statement of fact, but one of opinion and thus a successful defense to defamation can be mounted.

    However… I’m not certain that Craig has taken the right option here. Russell’s audience at the Auckland Gay Out who actually heard and cared about his comments would have been relatively small. Shall we be generous and say a couple thousand. Bring in the lawyers and mainstream media, and suddenly you have 200,000 people thinking that potentially you’re a bigot. Nice ‘free’ publicity, but is it really the message that you want to sell to the public? If there is a group of people that are roundly disliked and distrusted more than politicians it would have to be the lawyers.

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  16. alex Masterley (1,523 comments) says:

    Dime,
    the skeleton and the mens down hill. that’s what the winter Olympics are about.
    two absolutely truly demented sports. tried down hill once, literally. way too scary.
    And I suppose the biathlon. hot chicks on skis with guns.

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  17. Than (488 comments) says:

    Yes Simon, and now Russell will learn about the responsibility part which comes with free speech.

    How exactly?

    Let’s assume it goes to court and Colin Craig wins. Norman will be forced to issue an empty apology he won’t mean, and will walk away laughing with a heap of free publicity.

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  18. Longknives (4,868 comments) says:

    “the winter olympics are a joke. apart from the hockey.”

    I think they are pretty cool if you are from Russia, Scandinavia, Germany or even Canada…
    But the NZ ‘athletes’ (and I use that term very loosely) seem to be on one big piss trip. (Or in the case of the cringeworthy Ms Torr one big potential Gang-Bang)
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/winterolympics/article-2555237/New-Zealand-snowboarder-Rebecca-Torr-looking-love-Sochi-looks-hunt-Jamaican-bobsled-team-members-dating-app.html

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  19. Pete George (23,681 comments) says:

    the skeleton and the mens down hill. that’s what the winter Olympics are about.

    And the new sports, for example both the skiing and the snowboarding freestyle. I watched women’s snowboarding a couple of nights ago, Two of the first five competitors were taken away on stretchers, the second of them head butted the mountain and was right out to it for quite a while, It was a relief to see her move.

    When they talk about their biographies many list the broken bone and dislocation history.

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  20. Manolo (14,044 comments) says:

    Love among the followers of vile Islam, the religion of peace: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8801125/iraq-security-forces-kill-15-militants

    A wave of early morning explosions has rocked mainly Shi’ite neighbourhoods in Baghdad, killing at least 23 people and wounding dozens.

    The Monday attacks, three carried out using parked explosives-laden cars and one with a separate bomb, hit crowded commercial areas near Shi’ite mosques.

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  21. dime (10,100 comments) says:

    Facebooks market cap is not at 170 billion US. LOL

    Would not touch with a barge pole comes to mind.

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  22. deadrightkev (510 comments) says:

    It will be Norman that wears the pointed hat make no mistake.

    Norman has said something defamatory about another person who just happens to be a political party leader in election year and it was said outside parliament. Not bright and he must be held to account. Norman is used to being glossed over by the retarded MSM so a kicking is long overdue.

    Craig will pull more swinging voters toward him because he has shown he will not be pushed around and will stick to his guns.

    I would also hope that Jamie Whyte starts pushing back because he is going to get plenty of rubbish thrown at him as well.

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  23. dime (10,100 comments) says:

    Longknives – the winter Olympics look like the x games. lots of garbage events.

    then again, the summer Olympics have shit like soccer, tennis, basketball and golf?!?! not to mention fucking 7’s!

    they did kick out wrestling though! (they managed to get it reinstated).

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  24. david (2,563 comments) says:

    Does anyone know the criteria for receiving sports funding and for selection to the winter olympic team compared with the summer olympics.

    I know that one needed to be in with a realistic chance of a medal in the Summer Games but when we sent 4 to one event (snowboarding) with no-one placed within a bulls roar and sledging where 11th was described as a “good result” it seems like a fortune is being spent sending this mob away on a perpetual winter (in itself bloody expensive) and the casual attitude that is way different from the commitment made by real athletes.

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  25. Manolo (14,044 comments) says:

    A miserable life for its citizens, and another tragic example of socialism at work: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-17/venezuela-president-summons-allies-to-street-to-rival-opposition.html

    Inflation more than doubled in Venezuela in the past year to 56.3 percent in January, according to the central bank. At the same time, the bank’s scarcity index rose to a record 28 percent, meaning that more than one in four basic goods was out of stock at any given time.

    Is it the future that Silent T and communist Norman have in mind for NZ?

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  26. dirty harry (514 comments) says:

    “A wave of early morning explosions has rocked mainly Shi’ite neighbourhoods in Baghdad, killing at least 23 people and wounding dozens.”

    Shouldn’t that read ” shite ” Manolo…

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  27. itstricky (1,880 comments) says:

    Dead right – but when WO called someone deceased feral you said it was chilling that his freedom of speech was taken away. Does Norman not afford the same benefit?

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  28. flipper (4,198 comments) says:

    Longknives…

    For once I agree with you.

    But do not misread me.
    I think the whole Olympic BS, run by a self-perpetuating, self aggrandizing, oligarchy, is nothing short of a money making venture for those IOC “members”, their employees, including skilled marketeers, and a few athletes. NZ does NOT have a representative on/at the IOC. The IOC has a “representative in New Zealand.”

    Many nations put huge sums (invest is NOT the right term) into their jingoistic teams. To be fair, the winter sports DO mean something to Canada, US, China/Korea and much of Europe. ( While the Soviet Union was alive, or in its inevitable death dance, it was an east-west thing. Overall, it is a climate thing….a beautiful people thing.

    But in NZ it is very much the wealthy elite. And to the best of my knowledge, there is only a Government (taxpayer) subsidy, based upon the perception of “success”. That is not great, and has only ever been once – Analise Coberger, a Austrian (?)- NZ down hill ski exponent.

    I doubt Sky regards it as a good investment. But it will be aiming at other, bigger fish, and their continued domination of the sports market.

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  29. EAD (1,296 comments) says:

    Low and behold, it looks as if the MSM are reporting on what Zerohedge have been saying for the past 6 months.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/commodities/10642184/Gold-price-signals-China-credit-bubble-bursting-as-investors-seek-safety.html

    Although the story takes the reader up the wrong garden path, the thing I like most about the Telegraph is the sheer quality and intellect of it’s commentators. Filter on the best rated comments and you will quickly see people really understand the bigger issues at play….

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  30. Pete George (23,681 comments) says:

    I think the whole Olympic BS, run by a self-perpetuating, self aggrandizing, oligarchy, is nothing short of a money making venture…

    What high level sport isn’t these days?

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  31. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    “……Does anyone know the criteria for receiving sports funding and for selection to the winter olympic team compared with the summer olympics…..”

    A snow boarder in the Australian team received $1,400,000.00 in the last 3 years from taxpayers.

    The media is now starting to question the worth of it.

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  32. Longknives (4,868 comments) says:

    I honestly think our media needs to look into the funding given to these ‘party animal’ snowboarders and ask if the NZ taxpayer is getting bang for their buck?
    They don’t even attempt to hide the fact that they are there just to have a few laughs and get laid..

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  33. dime (10,100 comments) says:

    I heard on ZB this morning that some restaurant has started paying the “living wage”.

    Living Wage Aotearoa (cause god forbid you say new zealand) have come up with some mark for businesses who participate “we pay the living wage” etc

    Dime says – awesome! good for them! that’s how things like this should be done. No need for the govt. no need for laws. Have businesses adopt it if they want to. just stop there.

    They wont of course, but they should

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  34. stephieboy (3,386 comments) says:

    dirty harry (104 comments) says:
    February 18th, 2014 at 9:14 am

    You seem to make it your speciality ( and your comrade manolo it appears ) to mock and trivialize human suffering with your “shite” remark.

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  35. Pete George (23,681 comments) says:

    On trolls and lprent.

    New Study: Internet Trolls Are Often Machiavellian Sadists

    In the past few years, the science of Internet trollology has made some strides. Last year, for instance, we learned that by hurling insults and inciting discord in online comment sections, so-called Internet “trolls” (who are frequently anonymous) have a polarizing effect on audiences, leading to politicization, rather than deeper understanding of scientific topics.

    That’s bad, but it’s nothing compared with what a new psychology paper has to say about the personalities of so-called trolls themselves. The research, conducted by Erin Buckels of the University of Manitoba and two colleagues, sought to directly investigate whether people who engage in trolling are characterized by personality traits that fall in the so-called “Dark Tetrad”: Machiavellianism (willingness to manipulate and deceive others), narcissism (egotism and self-obsession), psychopathy (the lack of remorse and empathy), and sadism (pleasure in the suffering of others).

    It is hard to underplay the results: The study found correlations, sometimes quite significant, between these traits and trolling behavior. What’s more, it also found a relationship between all Dark Tetrad traits (except for narcissism) and the overall time that an individual spent, per day, commenting on the Internet.

    And lprent has commented on this:

    BTW: Just finished reading an article about a nice study about the personality defects of trolls. It turns out that they tend strongly towards the sociopathic and sadistic. What a surprise. They certainly bring out the sadistic responses from me.

    That’s not just commenting, that’s bragging. And ironically it’s on a post where lprent appends:

    lprent: Putting this post on moderation.
    So I will personally select the comments that are allowed through here to ensure that I will personally get involved in the fun.

    That’s likely to be more fun for a Labourite than worrying about the big news of the day.

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  36. iMP (2,420 comments) says:

    Personally, I think it’s awesome the Green Party (now with help from labour) will be helping to fund the Conservatives election campaign this year, with both money and free publicity. It will make Conservatives sustainable and pure. Ironic awesomeness.

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  37. Manolo (14,044 comments) says:

    lprent: Putting this post on moderation.
    So I will personally select the comments that are allowed through here to ensure that I will personally get involved in the fun.

    Surprise, surprise. The effeminate lprent is not only rainbow queer, but a sadist too.

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  38. iMP (2,420 comments) says:

    YEAH RIGHT, P.S. Hoffman died of injected heroin (not an overdose) because heroin is not legalised in the USA.

    Russell Bland – complete idiot.

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  39. dirty harry (514 comments) says:

    stephieboy (553 comments)

    well , it is a shite hole there’s no denying that..

    I bet you fly the maori flag in your backyard and vote greens/mana..

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  40. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Anything planned for the Lecher and Slobcom today . . . don’t let either of these greasy mongrels off the hook.

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  41. dime (10,100 comments) says:

    iMP – it doesnt matter where you get it or how legal it is, inject too much horse and your history.

    especially if youre eye balling it

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  42. MT_Tinman (3,256 comments) says:

    Will someone explain to the dickhead that if I want to read the subStandard or any other left wing trash I’ll go there.

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  43. wikiriwhis business (4,116 comments) says:

    A depressed Chinese factory worker decided he would feed some tigers – by letting them eat him.

    The man, identified in media reports as 27-year-old Yang Jinhai, somehow escaped with only minor injuries after entering the enclosure of two Bengali white tigers at a zoo in Chengdu, Sichuan province, on Sunday morning.

    “I asked them to bite me and let them eat my meat, and so I did not fight back,” Yang told the media afterward, Global Times reported.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/9734020/Man-enters-the-tigers-den

    I really think there’s more to this story than meets the eye. Chinese workers in Nike and Apple factories are constantly committing suicide due to their draconian conditions and meagre wages and long hours.

    The way the unions have been assaulted in this country it won’t be long before people are simply slaves esp Kiwi’s. We certainly won’t have jobs if National allows a population explosion to expand the tax base.

    While Kiwibloggers yell GET A JOB……pffffffff

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  44. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    UK analysts say the dollar is overvalued and economy like Ireland pre-global crisis…

    …Westpac economist Imre Speizer said New Zealand also differed from Ireland and Europe as the New Zealand currency was free-floated and the banking sector had not got itself into trouble in the booming property market.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11204355

    Personally I don’t see how our current salary levels can sustain the prices in the Akld property market. People there are so loaded up that when the rates rise their mortgage payments are going to suck out most of their discretionary income which will of course result in a decline in the retail and service sectors there which will begin a vicious cycle. And that’s if nothing major happens overseas that causes global concern and results in loss of employment, which is definitely going to happen in the US, I’m picking before the end of March but which others are picking in the 2nd or 3rd quarter of this year.

    It’d be real nice if economists just once in their professional lives actually managed to forecast something correctly but hey, why break a lifelong habit.

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  45. wikiriwhis business (4,116 comments) says:

    “A snow boarder in the Australian team received $1,400,000.00 in the last 3 years from taxpayers.”

    Could be the one who died in Sochi. Karma is so selective. MP’s seem unrestrained from karma justice.

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  46. Pete George (23,681 comments) says:

    A perfect start to the cricket would be for Neesham to get his maiden test century, followed by McCullum getting his triple, then declare and rip into the Indian batsmen with a lead of about 380 which should be safe for us.

    Update: and it looks like Neesham is going for his ton with McCullum remaining cautious.

    Worth noting that the current partnership is 142.

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  47. Fletch (6,488 comments) says:

    That video from The Tonight Show with Jay Leno that is doing the rounds :-P

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  48. dirty harry (514 comments) says:

    “UK analysts say the dollar is overvalued and economy like Ireland pre-global crisis…”

    Suits me fine…off to Phuket for 5 weeks and Im gettin .27 against the Thai baht…cha ching

    Geez I love Thailand

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  49. Fletch (6,488 comments) says:

    Harpy Rosanne Barr gets bitchslapped by Ted Nugent, who is one of those guys not afraid to tell it like it is :)

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  50. Bovver (173 comments) says:

    DPF have you ever meet Lyn Prentice and is his really as big a puffed up prick as he appears to be on the Stranded

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  51. Zapper (1,027 comments) says:

    YES!!!!!

    God I’ve never been so nervous, except maybe in 1991, followed by devastation when Crowe went for 299

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  52. Longknives (4,868 comments) says:

    Watching Ted Nugent destroying that lard-arse Roseanne Barr has inspired me to crank up another of his legendary performances…

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  53. Fletch (6,488 comments) says:

    Is anyone else sick to death of hearing about all the partying the NZ Winter Olympic team is doing?
    Every report on the NZ team seems to be about someone either looking for a root or planning a big night out.

    Once again we turn to Judge Dredd for a look into the future – the World Sex Olympics –

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-n6wL4c-eIL8/Ut0jYhmEq9I/AAAAAAAAQTs/KR7kzDUpfUw/s1600/dredd3.jpg

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  54. Chuck Bird (4,923 comments) says:

    I heard a little while ago that David Cunliffe was the Labour MP who got caught smacking his toddler in public at a shopping mall a few years back during the smacking debate. I remember this happening but cannot remember the name of the MP. Cunliffe back then was not near so well known. Does anyone remember if it was Cunliffe and better still have a source?

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  55. MT_Tinman (3,256 comments) says:

    Zapper (775 comments) says:
    February 18th, 2014 at 11:47 am
    YES!!!!!

    God I’ve never been so nervous, except maybe in 1991, followed by devastation when Crowe went for 299

    I have, Feb 1980 in Dunedin, day five.

    Not more nervous though, just as nervous.

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  56. stephieboy (3,386 comments) says:

    dirty harry (104 comments) says:
    February 18th, 2014 at 9:14 am

    Flight the Maori Flag ,vote green/mana.?
    Nope.!
    You a member of the RWR.?

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  57. dirty harry (514 comments) says:

    Gawd I hate cricket…esp NZ cricket…one minute they getting their arses handed to them on a plate by some backwater cricket team and everyones puttin the boot in…nek minute some “star” has hit 3 hundy and they are the best thing since sliced bread.

    How unexciting.

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  58. James Stephenson (2,223 comments) says:

    Come on DH, admit it, you’re thrilled.

    I’ve never been a massive McCullum fan, but FFS to join Bradman and Wally Hammond as the only players to have scored successive double and then triple tons is worthy of a “well done”, isn’t it?

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  59. dirty harry (514 comments) says:

    yeah but why cant they be consistent? Much like Ryder…he’s consistent in his fuckwittery…why cant the team follow suit..consistency.

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  60. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    Good News:

    Channel Seven offices have just been raided by Federal Police – over a deal they may be cutting with Shapelle Corby.

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  61. ShawnLH (5,695 comments) says:

    That Ted Nugent video was classic, well, both of them. Loved watching him annihilate Barr’s ranting arguments and conspiracy theories.

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  62. Andrei (2,668 comments) says:

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  63. wikiriwhis business (4,116 comments) says:

    NZ Roads: Police error tickets more than 20,000

    Tens of thousands of people have been wrongly ticketed for traffic offences by police, who are apologising for a “temporary” error.

    Between October 22 and December 16 last year a fault in the police computer system resulted in more than 20,000 people being accidentally ticketed.

    That figure was originally thought to be 38,000 but a separate mistake by police collating the data meant it was later revised to 20,000.

    The problem arose when vehicle transaction data from the New Zealand Transport Agency was not automatically updated on police systems because of an isolated fault.

    Among those people negatively affected were those who sold their vehicles, who were then incorrectly ticketed for offences incurred by the new owners or others driving the vehicles.

    Also affected were those who changed their address or their surname after getting married during the two months.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/9735037/Police-error-tickets-more-than-20-000

    Long time wait for many the media won’t investigate

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  64. wikiriwhis business (4,116 comments) says:

    Tough driver fines regime comes into force

    New Zealanders who have avoided paying their fines now face losing their driver’s licence and in some cases, have their car impounded.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/9730053/Tough-driver-fines-regime-comes-into-force

    The govts planned to up costs of fines, implement more fines and create a havoc with people losing property. This was always goning to happen. Along with student debt slavery.

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  65. Fletch (6,488 comments) says:

    EAD wrote a few days ago –

    Sad day – James Delingpole writes his last bog post for the Daily Telegraph

    It looks like he is writing for the new Breitbart London.

    So thanks, Andrew, for creating the website which has become my new home.

    And viva la revolucion!

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/02/16/Delingpole-Why-Breitbart

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/02/16/Lefty-Lies-UK-Floods

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  66. wikiriwhis business (4,116 comments) says:

    ‘Surprise, surprise. The effeminate lprent is not only rainbow queer, but a sadist too.’

    So, do gays vote National. J Key is pressing into them lol. Don’t know why. There’s so few of them. That’s why they can’t get a foothold in Aussies massive parliament.

    Why does it matter who gays vote for

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  67. wikiriwhis business (4,116 comments) says:

    Pace car fire Holden embarrassment

    Holden’s Commodore has suffered an embarrassing fire while being used as the pace car for the American Nascar race series in Daytona.

    Wearing Chevrolet badges – the car is sold as a Chevrolet SS in the US – the road car was leading a field of race cars while an incident was being cleared on the track when the cabin suddenly filled with smoke and flames appeared from the boot.

    The driver and his passenger quickly moved the V8-powered car – which is almost identical to the Commodore sold in Australasia – to the side of the track and appeared to be heading towards one of the fire trucks on hand at race meetings, but the thick smoke in the cabin forced them to stop the car and get out.

    The fire was quickly extinguished, but the car was not used again for pace car duties, with a replacement called in for duties.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/9730671/Pace-car-fire-Holden-embarrassment

    Confirms an XR6 will be ma next vehicle purchase. Found one for 30K (2012)with bluetooth and navigation. So already persuaded lol!!!

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  68. dirty harry (514 comments) says:

    “NZ Roads: Police error tickets more than 20,000″

    No wonder they have lost the respect of joe public…quick to ticket but slow to catch crims

    Id be embarrassed to be a copper now days.

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  69. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    So, Craig Thomson is found guilty on multiple counts of fraud and theft: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/craig-thomson-found-guilty-of-fraud-theft-charges-20140218-32xay.html

    The judge very astutely observed:

    Nor was he entitled to use union funds in any capacity once he had left the union and was working as a feral MP.

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  70. stephieboy (3,386 comments) says:

    Fletch , you confirm or deny that gays are welcome to join the Conservatives.? I detect a new tinge of rainbow in the party.!

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  71. DJP6-25 (1,389 comments) says:

    EAD 9.19 AM If you want excellent writing, check out the Australian Spectator. Your public library should have it.

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  72. Fletch (6,488 comments) says:

    Fletch , you confirm or deny that gays are welcome to join the Conservatives.? I detect a new tinge of rainbow in the party.!

    stephieboy, they are welcome to. But I’m thinking that most gays are of a liberal bent.
    One famous conservative lesbian is, of course, Tammy Bruce.

    Whilst I don’t agree with everything she says, I do agree on many things. For instance, I agree with many things she says in this video about Feminism 2.0 (although we would have to disagree on artificial contraception, which she seems to think is a good invention).

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  73. Manolo (14,044 comments) says:

    Colonialism strikes again!
    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8801489/man-caught-after-three-stolen-cars-chased

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  74. flipper (4,198 comments) says:

    Ok…..
    It is really probably a topic for tomorrow.

    BUT…..

    When dick head Ministers like Collins sponsor and have passed legislation to stop folk with “unpaid fines” from driving or leaving NZ, it is a serious step.

    It would be helpful, Collins, if you ensured that all fines were legitimate. But you and your silly MoJ/CL/Molesworth Street Cowboys were never big on admitting when you fucked up and screwed the innocent, were you?

    That the Police admitted today that 20,000 “fines” were errors, is, to say the least, not a good look.

    This is one of the problems arising from using C & P as an election issue. And I say this as a National Party ,member disgusted by the red neck approach of a few.

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  75. Pete George (23,681 comments) says:

    When collating three more TVNZ names suggested as Labour prospects it lead to this:

    @MorganGodfery

    Reckless. Leakers everywhere. Carrot -we’ll offer you a place – and stick – take it or we’ll reveal and ruin you

    The same tactic was used against JW. The carrot – the offer of a place – and the stick – we will reveal our offer if you refuse and ruin you.

    If that’s true it’s damning against Labour coercive tactics (which could amount to blackmail).

    More Labour aspirants in TVNZ?

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  76. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    A man goes into his son’s room to wish him goodnight. His son is having a nightmare – the man wakes him and asks his son if he is okay? The son replies he is scared because he dreamt that Auntie Susie had died. The father assures the son that Auntie Susie is fine and sends him to bed.

    The next day, Auntie Susie dies.

    One week later, the man again goes into his son’s room to wish him goodnight. His son is having another nightmare – the man again wakes his son. The son this time says that he had dreamt that granddaddy had died.

    The father assures the son that granddaddy is fine and sends him to bed. The next day, granddaddy dies.

    One week later, the man again goes into his son’s room to wish him goodnight. His son is having another nightmare – the man again wakes his son. The son this time says that he had dreamt that daddy had died. The father assures the son that he is okay and sends the boy to bed.

    The man goes to bed but cannot sleep because he is so terrified.

    The next day, the man is scared for his life – he’s sure he is going to die.

    After dressing he drives very cautiously to work fearful of a collision. He doesn’t eat lunch because he is scared of food poisoning.

    He avoids everyone for he is sure he will somehow be killed. He jumps at every noise, starts at every movement and hides under his desk.

    Upon walking in his front door at the end of the day, he finds his wife.

    “Good God, Dear” he proclaims “I’ve just had the worst day of my entire life!”

    She responds “You think your day was bad, the meter reader dropped dead on the doorstep this morning”.

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  77. Steve (North Shore) (4,587 comments) says:

    Takes a while for some nasska

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  78. Graham Sharpe (6 comments) says:

    In his book “Don’t Vote – It Just Encourages the Bastards” P.J. O’Rourke describes a politician’s personality thus:

    A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behaviour), need for admiration…beginning by early adulthood…as indicated by any five of the following:

    1.) Grandiose sense of importance, exaggerating achievements and talents, expecting to be recognised without commensurate achievement;
    2.) Preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power or brilliance;
    3.) Believes himself to be special or unique, and only understood by other special, unique people;
    4.) Requires extensive admiration;
    5.) Sense of entitlement;
    6.) Personally exploitative of others;
    7.) Lacking empathy;
    8.) Envious of others, or believes that others are envious of him;
    9.) Arrogant, haughty behaviour or attitude.

    The original authors pf this were referring to Narcissistic Personality Disorder in “Diagnostic and Standardised Manual of Medical Disorders (4th ed.)”.
    After seeing tonight’s 60 Minutes episode about Kim Dotcom, I was left wondering if he fitted the criteria for a politician’s personality.

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  79. Steve (North Shore) (4,587 comments) says:

    @Graham Sharpe with an E,
    You sure you are talking about Crim Dot Con? or Lying Len Brown?
    Edit, did not watch dumb minutes – total rubbish

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  80. Rowan (2,520 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/9734647/Accused-stabbed-Manning-once-dead

    Ok the prostitute was murdered by the mongrel mob, got that. However I fail to see how the crown have any case against this member as being the ‘killer’ especially after they have found someone elses DNA on her. Fawcett may have been an accessory to the crime but I don’t see any evidence that can sustain a guilty verdict and question why he has been singled out as the so called ‘killer’ when it could have just as easily been any other member of the mob.

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