General Debate 1 February 2014

February 1st, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. kowtow (8,114 comments) says:

    In case anyone missed it ,enjoy kea’s anti police brain fart here.

    Kea (10,081 comments) says:
    February 1st, 2014 at 2:10 am
    “If any of you were wondering what shite looks like here’s a photo.”

    No you did not show the gutless filth who attacked a man with dogs, backed up with tasers, guns, all their filth mates, and a corrupt system. What cowards. Almost all filth are vile sexually deviant power tripping cowards. It does not matter how nice and decent your filth mates are. When challenged they back each other up and decency is forgotten. It is not about right or wrong for filth. It is about fitting in. Same for soldiers and other government departments. Right wing shills forget the filth and soldiers are the enforcement arm of political whim. Grow up nasska.

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  2. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    That poor wee gang member got roughed up and bitten by a Police dog.
    Boo fucking hoo….

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  3. Colville (2,237 comments) says:

    I saw that wee gem by Kea and thougt he may regret that is the morning along with his sore head.

    That piece of shit gang member desered everything he got, 4 callouts by the police in the preceding 24 hours, refused to come out of the house, refused to comply when police entered, refused to show his hands.
    Weapons but no gun found by police. Just means they didnt look carefully enough.
    A shit stain of a man.

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  4. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    The (Corrupt) Multicultural Left Is Totally In Charge of the University
    Typical day at the university. On the faculty email list for the entire College of Liberal Arts, an activist says we absolutely must petition the President for an LGBT Advisory Council (Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual, and Transgendered; I wasn’t sure what that last one meant, so here’s Wikipedia’s take for those unaccustomed to leftspeak). Campus liberals quickly indicate their public support by responding positively on the list, thereby earning their stripes with their colleagues and ensuring they will get tenure if they don’t have it and get to go to good parties if they do. In addition to a great many individual faculty members, seven department chairs and two entire departments joined in the effort. No one was so bereft of all human feeling as to oppose such an initiative. So the President agreed to it and the Dean announced the decision on the list.

    Victory!! What were the odds that something so deeply controversial in a contemporary university environment would be approved?
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/03/the-multicultural-left-is-totally-in-charge-of-the-university/

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  5. Nostradamus (3,244 comments) says:

    Pete George:

    Did you see this media release:

    Dunne refuses to deny being report leaker
    Trevor Mallard | 30 Jan 2014

    Labour’s Internal Affairs spokesperson Trevor Mallard today called on the Prime Minister to remove responsibility for New Zealand data security from newly appointed Minister for Internal Affairs, Peter Dunne.

    “In the House today, Peter Dunne refused to deny being the source of the leak of the draft Kitteridge report into the Government Communications and Security Bureau.

    “As Internal Affairs Minister, he is responsible for the supervision of the Government’s Chief Information Officer and answerable in the House on the security of confidential information held by the Government.

    “Most New Zealanders including the Prime Minister, believe Peter Dunne made the Kitteridge report available to the Dominion Post.

    “This is a matter of ethics and ministerial responsibility, and Peter Dunne does not make the grade.

    “John Key should either remove him from his ministry or relieve him of his information security responsibilities,” Trevor Mallard says.

    Your thoughts? Presumably you’d say Mallard doesn’t speak for most New Zealanders – let alone for John Key? :)

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  6. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    BLACK CAPS!!!

    Nosty – that is interesting. So the conclusion is he did it and didn’t want to lie to the House by denying it?

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  7. Pete George (23,420 comments) says:

    Nostradamus – I saw that and I saw the question time segment in Parliament (recorded). A devious ambush by Mallard, and a gutless accusation under the protection of Parliament, appended by another threat by Peters.

    Gerry Brownley argued against the line of attack and the Speaker agreed to think about it – Dunne was asked questions that weren’t covered by his ministerial responsibility, and it was questioned about whether a minister could be asked if he had the confidence of the whole of Parliament.

    It was pointed out that John Key had sufficient confidence in Dunne to appoint him, ironically, to the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

    The only thing proven was that Mallard and Peters haven’t changed their gutless shit stirring ways this year.

    Video:
    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=olwq0zo5TM0]

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  8. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    Know the enemy:
    “Testifying at the trial against barbarism’, the French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut’s memorably observed, postwar intellectuals came to ‘identify the Enlightenment with the defence and not with the prosecution’. The roots of barbarism, many argued, lay in Western arrogance and the roots of Western arrogance lay in an unquestioning belief in the superiority of Enlightenment rationalism and universalism. Antiracism, therefore, came to be defined as treating all peoples and all cultures with equal respect, and seeing none as backward, primitive, irrational. Radicals, Finkielkraut suggests, came to believe that ‘the so-called civilised ones should come down from our imaginary heights and recognise with humble clarity that we were only another kind of native’. Increasingly relativism came to be a defining feature of postwar radicalism.”
    http://www.kenanmalik.com/essays/bradford_prospect.html
    politics is descending to the lowest common denominator but we never get to see their working out (embedded assumptions).

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  9. Pete George (23,420 comments) says:

    Transcript:

    11. Internal Affairs, Minister—Statements

    [Sitting date: 30 January 2014. Volume:696;Page:14. Text is subject to correction.]

    11. Hon TREVOR MALLARD (Labour—Hutt South) to the Minister of Internal Affairs: Does he stand by all his statements?

    Hon PETER DUNNE (Minister of Internal Affairs) : Yes—in fact, I am more than happy to stand by the only statement I have made since being appointed Minister of Internal Affairs 2 days ago, which is that the New Zealand Fire Service has today deployed the first of two firefighting contingents to help fight bushfires in Victoria. This actually follows four similar deployments to Australia last year and underscores the close relationship and cooperation our two countries have when dealing with times of national adversity. I am sure that the House will want to join with me in wishing our firefighters well and that they will have a safe return home.

    Hon Trevor Mallard: Does he stand by the comment he made as he welcomed his new role that he has, with his chief executive officer, responsibility for, amongst other things, proper protection of the security of information?

    Hon PETER DUNNE: Yes.

    Hon Trevor Mallard: How does he reconcile that comment last week with his action in leaking a confidential report to a member of the parliamentary press gallery?

    Mr SPEAKER: I will allow the Minister to respond to that question.

    Hon PETER DUNNE: I stand by the comments that I made in the statement that the member referred to. I accept the responsibility that I have as Minister of Internal Affairs and I will honour that responsibility.

    Hon Trevor Mallard: Did he leak the Kitteridge report or any draft thereof—

    Mr SPEAKER: There is no ministerial responsibility for that question.

    Hon Trevor Mallard: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I refer you to Standing Order 384(1). It does say it is at your discretion, but it says: “… a supplementary question may be asked by any member to elucidate or clarify a matter raised in a question for oral answer or in an answer given to a question.” The point that I do want to make very clearly and very simply is that this Minister has responsibility for the security of information. It is a matter of whether this Minister is a suitable Minister for having that responsibility. His history on matters that he has referred to in the House and in statements is something that goes right to whether this House should have confidence in him in his new role.

    Mr SPEAKER: I still will not accept the supplementary question as asked, where the member has directly asked a question that is of a matter that occurred well before this Minister was made Minister of Internal Affairs. If the member has a further supplementary question, I am happy to listen to it.

    Hon Trevor Mallard: Why should this House have confidence in him now when he has refused to deny leaking the Kitteridge report or a draft thereof, or allowing a Dominion Post reporter access to that report?

    Hon Gerry Brownlee: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Firstly, Ministers are not required to express confidence in themselves in this House. That is a role for the Prime Minister, and the Prime Minister’s confidence in Mr Dunne has been expressed by him by virtue of the appointment. But I would turn you to Standing Order 377, which is the content of questions, and particularly (1)(b) and (c) of that particular Standing Order. Although there may be an opportunity to make a case around any Standing Order, it has to be remembered that the Standing Orders are to provide order in the House, and the questioning process is about extracting information from Ministers about the portfolio responsibilities they hold.

    Grant Robertson: Firstly, Mr Mallard sought to ask why the House should have confidence in Mr Dunne. I think that is a fully legitimate thing. It is true that the confidence the Prime Minister holds is an important matter, but Mr Mallard was asking why this Parliament should have confidence. The second point I would make is that in the first supplementary question that Mr Mallard asked, he made clear that part of what Mr Dunne had said were his responsibilities was the security of information. It is a legitimate thing for members on this side of the House to ask whether Parliament should have confidence in a Minister to perform a specific duty that they have as a Minister, and that is the oversight of the security of information of the Government. I think the question is in order. [Interruption]

    Mr SPEAKER: Order! I do not need further assistance. I am going to assist the House by moving the matter forward. If the question had been asked strictly in accordance with the Standing Orders, the question would have simply been: “Why should the House have confidence in the Minister?”. I do not think that is an unreasonable question. If the Minister stands and answers that, we can move forward.

    Hon Gerry Brownlee: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.

    Mr SPEAKER: This is a fresh point of order? I have ruled on this matter, Mr Brownlee. If the member wants to raise a new point order, I will hear it.

    Hon Gerry Brownlee: It is a new point of order.

    Mr SPEAKER: I have ruled that the question is in order. If the member is now disputing my ruling—

    Hon Gerry Brownlee: He is not standing, and I have called a point of order.

    Mr SPEAKER: That is a different matter. Point of order, the Hon Gerry Brownlee.

    Hon Gerry Brownlee: Is it now a ruling from you that the House expresses confidence in Ministers, as opposed to the Prime Minister? [Interruption]

    Mr SPEAKER: I do not need assistance. On this occasion a member of this House has asked a question of a Minister: “Why should the House have confidence in a Minister?”. I have declared that that question is in order. That question can be answered by the Minister. I am sure he will have no difficulty in doing so.

    Hon PETER DUNNE: The House should have confidence in me as a Minister because I will carry out properly the responsibilities entrusted to me by the portfolio that I hold.

    Hon Trevor Mallard: In order to ensure that the House has confidence in him, is he prepared to now deny that he leaked the Kitteridge report or any draft thereof, or allowed a Dominion Post reporter to access that report?

    Hon PETER DUNNE: I have no responsibility for that report.

    Rt Hon Winston Peters: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. He was not asked about the report. He was asked about the leak, and he cannot just dodge it that way, by saying “I have no responsibility for that report.”

    Mr SPEAKER: Order! The Minister has addressed that question with relevance.

    Hon Gerry Brownlee: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I would ask you again to think about the prospect of the House being able to question that the confidence in a Minister is whole. The reality is that the Opposition parties in this House vote “no confidence” in the Government every opportunity that they get. It is a completely “ingenuine” question that is being asked by the Opposition.

    Grant Robertson: Disingenuous.

    Hon Gerry Brownlee: Well, we will call it that.

    Mr SPEAKER: Order!

    Hon Gerry Brownlee: I should be able to finish, I think.

    Mr SPEAKER: No, I have heard quite enough. What the member is really doing is asking me to reflect on a decision that I have made in this House today, and I will certainly do that and come back to him.

    Hon David Parker: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.

    Mr SPEAKER: No, I have ruled on that point of order. [Interruption] Order! I have ruled on that point of order. If the member wants to raise a further point of order—[Interruption] Order! If the member does want to raise a further point of order, I will hear from the Hon David Parker.

    Hon David Parker: A further point of order. If the Speaker was going to further reflect on the Leader of the House’s additional point, then I would think that the Speaker should allow the Opposition to respond to the new point that the Leader of the House has made, and I would seek to do so.

    Mr SPEAKER: Order! The member will resume his seat. The difficulty I have is that the member Mr Brownlee has not actually raised any new points at all. He has just asked me to reflect on the matter. I am happy to reflect on the matter and I will come back to not only Mr Brownlee but also to the House, if that is so required.

    Hon David Parker: Speaking to that point, how could the Speaker be willing to reconsider the matter without being willing to consider the Opposition’s view on that? There are points to be made here, arising out of the Leader of the House’s submission to you, that I think are germane and I think I should have the opportunity to do that.

    Mr SPEAKER: If the member can succinctly put his point of view, I am happy to hear it.

    Hon David Parker: Thank you, Mr Speaker. The problem with the Leader of the House’s position, set out in his submission to you, is that it is within the right of the Opposition not to have confidence in the Government and Ministers, as we do in respect of motions such as the motion on the Prime Minister’s statement. That same ruling applies to questions such as Mr Mallard’s question, and therefore your original ruling is correct and Mr Brownlee is incorrect.

    Mr SPEAKER: I will hear from the Rt Hon Winston Peters.

    Rt Hon Winston Peters: In consideration of the request by Mr Brownlee, in your further consideration, as he has invited you to undergo, do you want to know the date, the time, and the room where the leak took place?

    Mr SPEAKER: And the member should go back to his office and practise raising relevant points of order.

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  10. Nostradamus (3,244 comments) says:

    I see Greg Presland has complained about media bias

    I’ve copied-and-pasted some of his blog post below.

    The text that looks like this [bold and italicised text in square brackets] is my editorial paintbrush. It shows what you see when you copy and paste the photos in the blog post.

    Bad press comes in a number of forms. It can occur through the use of framing of issues offered by your opponent, the repetition of statements as fact when they are not, and down to something as simple as the choice of photographs for articles.

    A comment from Olwyn yesterday rasied the issue of the choice of photographs by the New Zealand Herald. Because the photos of David Cunliffe that they have used recently make him look, well, a bit naff.

    Exhibit A is this photo from Monday’s state of the nation speech which has been used in at least two articles.

    [Growly Cunliffe]

    It makes David look somewhat grumpy whereas I was there and he looked really happy all afternoon. In fact this is my impression of him from that day:

    [LEC CUnliffe January 27 2014 speech-4]

    Exhibit B is this photo:

    [3001CUNLIFFE1_300x200]

    Exhibit C

    [2801CUNNLIFFE_460x230]

    You would think that with all of the Herald’s resources they would have slightly better photos of David.

    It is not that hard to get really awful photos of someone. With the benefit of a digital camera multiple shots can be taken quickly. You just set it to take photos continuously and no doubt one of them will look really bad.

    As an example of this following is a photo I took of John Key. It was by far the worst one that I took so of course I released it.

    [John Key smirk]

    This behaviour can be expected of me. After all I am a partisan hack that thinks that Key and National are causing irreparable damage to my country and that they need to be removed from office.

    But the Herald is part of the main stream media and is meant to report on the news, not distort it. It is not meant to take political positions, just inform the population what is happening.

    Presland (who, by his own admission, is a partisan hack) actually refers to a “John Key smirk”.

    Needless to say, none of this partisan hackery appears on his own law firm website.

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  11. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Nostradamus, Re: Dungs act of treason. It is no use appealing to PG’s sense of decency. He needs to be told what to think, preferably by a woman.

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  12. kowtow (8,114 comments) says:

    Here’s another one from the annals of activist hypocrisy.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/290091/protest-vessel-arrives#comment-52556

    As the article says he dieselled into port. Skipper claims we’re addicted to oil.Liar,a hundred years ago he’d have waited for the right tide and some plebs with a row boat would’ve been on hand to help.

    In today’s world oil is a necessity.And that being the case let’s exploit it and produce wealth ,jobs prosperity and improve the balance of payments.

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  13. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    See the left have another media ally in the form of hapless Sue Bradford’s daughter. Her orchestrated interview with the useless Turei last night showed how bias media have become. Not only is Bradford needing speech therapy, she is downright thick, the baseless interview trying to upset Tolley was another failure. By the way, a visitor was commenting on how ugly our pet kune pig is, well I reckon she is damn sight easier on the eyes than Turei, in both stature and attitude.

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  14. Elaycee (4,349 comments) says:

    @Longknives / @Colville: I hope the Police dog handler gave the dog a great big, juicy steak after the event – so it could get rid of the taste. :)

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  15. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/290091/protest-vessel-arrives#comment-52556

    Given our tiny cottage oil industry NZ is an unusual location to protest about harvesting organic fuels !

    I would have thought Nigeria or Saudi Arabia would have been better locations.

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  16. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    All I saw from that transcript was a lot of evasion of one simple question?

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  17. Pete George (23,420 comments) says:

    David Clark gets petty about National and fails to show any support for gas exploration jobs for Dunedin.

    A Dunedin city councillor has accused Dunedin North Labour MP David Clark of putting votes before jobs as the debate over exploratory gas drilling heats up in the South.

    However, Mr Clark hit back yesterday, saying Cr Whiley’s summary was ”simplistic” and his group appeared to be ”parroting the National Party position”.

    And then he parrots Labour’s position.

    ”I did say that North Dunedin people are concerned about environmental outcomes and therefore wouldn’t be willing to support unregulated mining without appropriate checks and balances.

    ”I think the Dunedin North electorate is sophisticated enough to understand that appropriate development of mineral resources can support decent incomes, but are not willing to support mineral development at any cost.”

    His view was consistent with that of Labour leader David Cunliffe, who earlier this week said the party supported deep sea oil and gas exploration ”in principle”, but would toughen environmental protection laws.

    That sounds like Labour first (or is that Greens?), stuff Dunedin.

    David Clark on Otago gas exploration – yeah, nah

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  18. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Bruce Edgar comes on board and the New Zealand Mens Cricket Team starts firing. Can it have been that simple?

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  19. bc (1,360 comments) says:

    Ye gods, kea is still posting on kiwiblog at 2.10am!
    There are other things to do than spend all day (and night) on this site. (Sorry DPF!)

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  20. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Polly, here is a job you might like to try your hand at:

    The man who gets paid to watch paint dry

    Most of us would admit to finding our working day slightly tedious at times.
    But spare a thought for Keith Jackson.
    The married father-of-one has perhaps the most boring job in the world – watching paint dry.
    For more than 30 years, assessing the drying time of industrial paint has been part of Mr Jackson’s working life.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-408848/The-man-gets-paid-watch-paint-dry.html#ixzz2s0fqxrDV
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on

    ;)

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  21. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    A very old but destructive woman clings to power: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/nancy-pelosi-house-democrats-retirement-102901.html

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  22. flipper (3,921 comments) says:

    The Death of Brian

    I offer this to illustrate the dangers of life – dangers that cannot always be anticipated, nor avoided by those with a sense of honour.

    The following email exchange relates to a New Zealand man (born in Lower Hutt, but resident in Perth for many years) who I knew from his birth, such was the close friendship with his family.

    Sometimes victims are just unlucky – wrong place; wrong time. Sometimes they make bad choices. But nothing justifies the tragedy set out below.

    We all (well, many) spend many hours debating issues relating to law, order, and justice. Extremists rarely make sense. But far too often life and death do not make sense.

    I have offered this in Brian’s memory, and as an illustration of life as it is. The names, apart from, Brian’s have been redacted for obvious reasons.

    If, in his untimely death, Brian sends a message that helps others he will have unwittingly done a service to the community.
    <<<<<>>>>>

    Dear ====
    (and B, R, R and N)
    C ++++ and I were appalled to get your email this morning.

    We had no idea whatsoever. We do not get the print version of the Dom Post, so your email was the first and only news that we have received on your tragic loss.
    I knew Brian all his life, and C ++++ knew him from when he was about 2 years.

    I recall many enjoyable moments with “the Bear” as he grew up, including later playing ++++++ with him when he was a “ring in” for our “masters” team. Lord, that seems like a long time ago.

    The circumstances of his death are such that no words can describe the devastation we feel. It seems clear that at least one of the perpetrators will be in prison for “life” and the other for a very, very long time. But that in no way mitigates the personal offence and sense of loss that we feel for Brian, and all your family.

    If Brian had a fault it was that he was “too easy going” – a big, soft bear who stood up for himself, and others less able, when the occasion arose. There is nothing wrong with that. If that resulted in his death, it was an honourable death. But I know that is no consolation to you and the family.

    H ++++, coming on top of the loss of J ++++ and F ++++ in similarly (but very different) tragic circumstances, you must feel that the Gods have been against you and Tony. If you do feel that, you should not. Life is a game of chance, and the odds, or outcomes, are beyond the mortal …or the immortal.

    You both performed as the very best parents, and gave all three boys the very best of opportunities. That is the life that we all experience. In hindsight, every one of us would regret some decisions. But you have no need of to do that.

    H… I have copied this to others whom I think would be interested….and equally appalled.

    With all our love and best wishes to you all,
    ++

    From: H….. ++++
    Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2014 8:00 p.m.
    To: +++++++
    Subject: Brian +++++
    Hi +++++++++++++++++,
    I thought I should let you know of Brian’s death in Perth WA on 29 December 2013. B++++, R+++++, R+++++, N+++++ and I visited Australia leaving on 6 January and returned 16 January.

    Herewith is the death notice for Saturday’s Dominion Post newspaper ++ January

    Brian ++++++14/11/1963 – 29/12/2013

    Taken from us unexpectedly in Perth, Australia. Dearly loved son of ++++ and ++++ (dec), and brother of B++++, R+++, R++++, N ++++ and his deceased brothers, J ++++ and F+++++. Brian is survived by his children ++++++++++++++++++=etc.

    Herewith are the details.

    Interview with Detective Dave Gannon, Perth Police, held 5pm at Hillary’s Harbour on 8 January 2014.

    Detective Gannon reported to +++++++++ ++ ++++ ++++ ++++ ++++++++ ++++ +++ +++++ +++++that the perpetrators, Semic (40) and Hindmarsh (27) knew Brian and Brian’s flatmate Mr Weston. Both Semic and Hindmarsh were armed with knives. They were after Mr Weston as he had moved in on Semic’s or Hindmarsh’s girlfriend some six months or more ago. Hindmarsh was a recent acquaintance of Semic. It appears that Semic had conscripted Hindmarsh to deal to Mr Weston. Brian went out to face Semic and Hindmarsh. Mr Weston grabbed the phone to speak to the Police. The altercation resulted in Brian being stabbed twice – once through the abdomen and once through the heart. Brian’s death was instant. The pathologist’s report is not available.

    A court appearance was held on 15 January when the charge of grievous bodily harm was upgraded to murder. Both Semic and Hindmarsh are in custody and no bail is granted. The trial is some eight to 12 months away.

    Brian’s and +++++++’s 11 year old son was staying with Brian at the time and has been interviewed by the Police. He does not have to appear as a witness at the trial as he has already given a video interview that will be used at the trial.

    It all seems so surreal and of course our families are devastated.

    Love,

    ++++

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  23. bc (1,360 comments) says:

    And he’s back!

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  24. Nostalgia-NZ (5,081 comments) says:

    ‘Pauleastbay (4,981 comments) says:

    February 1st, 2014 at 9:24 am
    Bruce Edgar comes on board and the New Zealand Mens Cricket Team starts firing. Can it have been that simple?’

    Need to add in Crowe mentoring Taylor, Bond working with the quicks, the temperament and skill of Williamson – better management for sure and, despite, my earlier foot in the mouth misgivings, the coach and captain. There’ll be more reasons than that of course, but riches in the bowling stocks and a mercurial no 3 batsman have helped stitched together something that looks extraordinary for kiwi cricket.

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  25. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Kowtow, Good morning and thanks for the re-post. Very thoughtful. I was just reading the news and came across an article that deals with an issue you care greatly about, so I thought I would share it with you. :)

    The Jerusalem Post, Israel

    American Jews prefer Muslims to the Christian right

    Yesterday I wrote an article about a new survey by the Public Religion Research Institute on Jewish attitudes towards the 2012 presidential race and how issues such as Iran and Israel factor in. But there’s some other interesting information to be gleaned…

    For one thing, Jews have warmer feelings towards Muslims and Mormons than the Christian right.

    http://blogs.jpost.com/content/american-jews-prefer-muslims-christian-right

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  26. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    Flipper…very interesti… zzzzzzzzzzzzz

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  27. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    Green Party rising Star

    Give’ em enough rope…
    BTW what is and HCR “advisor”? An HCR henchman?

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  28. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    hj, Maori-woman-breeder ! This one ticks all the boxes. She will be very wealthy if Labour gets in.

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  29. Zapper (1,002 comments) says:

    DPF, in light of recent comments by politicians on the left that comments about houses of MP’s should be off limits, any chance of a post showing just how often John Key’s wealth or house have been mentioned?

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  30. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    Enormous crowd in that video. Where were the police to provide some crowd control? A very dangerous situation.

    Just imagine if one of those people had tripped over the other one that was there…

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  31. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    It is clear that the Greens will never appeal appeal to mainstream NZ* with people like Marama Davidson dangling prominently over their image. Gareth Hughes job is to deflect attention from them (no drilling for oil etc) and hope the public don’t put 2 + 2 together.

    * having said that who knows what mainstream NZ will be since it has been decided that we will be a better country when we have twice the population and different ethnic mix.

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  32. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    One of the people in the video looks like David Farrar?

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  33. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    Marama Davidson gets good airing on Chris Laidlaw
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2545366/ideas-for-3-february-2013-idle-no-more
    Idle no more movement “racist environmentalism” “Gandhi Martin Luther King..”

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  34. Pete George (23,420 comments) says:

    In the Marama Davidson video there’s a banner that says:

    Hekia Piranhai
    Leading National (Act)’s vicious attacks on education, kids and parents.

    But don’t criticise the jacket, that’s nasty.

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  35. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    Mayor Len Brown is to apologise to the Mayor of Fukuoka and the local Japanese community for the demolition of a Japanese garden at Auckland Zoo – a gift from sister city Fukuoka 25 years ago.

    Mr Brown faced a small but rowdy protest at the first council meeting of the year, but it was a diplomatic issue that got him off to a bad start with official business in 2014.

    The mayor refused speaking rights to the Friends of the Fukuoka Friendship Garden, whose pleas to retain the Japanese garden at the zoo he rejected last year.

    Mr Brown tried to push the group off to a committee to speak, but they turned up in large numbers, including prominent members of the Japanese community, leading to a backdown by the mayor.

    Mr Brown’s former mistress and council ethnic adviser Bevan Chuang has joined the fight to save the garden, calling its demolition “disgusting” and asking “how we value friendship”.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/aucklander/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503378&objectid=11194415

    Auckland is a Chinese city after all?

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  36. Nostalgia-NZ (5,081 comments) says:

    The ‘other one’ was a dog bhudson, they didn’t need crowd control they needed the SPCA.

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  37. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    Idle No More Movement

    Vision and Goals

    The founders of Idle No More outlined the vision and goals of the movement in a January 10, 2013 press release as follows:

    The Vision [...] revolves around Indigenous Ways of Knowing rooted in Indigenous Sovereignty to protect water, air, land and all creation for future generations.

    The Conservative government bills beginning with Bill C-45 threaten Treaties and this Indigenous Vision of Sovereignty. The movement promotes environmental protection and indigenous sovereignty. It plans to accomplish these goals by: (A) Implementing leadership structure and councils (Such as the Council of Women) (B) Taking training in coordinating rallies, media, messaging and safety issues as well as in identifying provocateurs, misinformation shills, and propaganda. (C) Placing key spokespeople and connecting with experienced experts in different areas; i.e. treaty research, indigenous rights and governance, environmental activism, writers, international spokesperson, national etc. (D) Creating chapters across Turtle Island under the umbrella of the main INM. (E) Requesting regular meetings with First Nations leadership to have ongoing discussions regarding third party agreements between the Government of Canada and industry corporations

    To date the movement has been particularly focused on:

    (A) The education and the revitalization of indigenous peoples through awareness and empowerment. (B) Encouraging knowledge sharing about indigenous sovereignty and environmental protections.[11]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idle_No_More

    it doesn’t pass the clarity test so it wont take off (ie is muddled mush-mush and wishful thinking).

    Meteria Turie
    Decolonisation in a colonised country is also a priority, as is gender equity, et al.
    http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/08/14/inequality-in-aotearoa-life-expectancy-again/#comment-144750

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  38. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Come on ratepayers of Auckland, don’t give up on the immoral and disgusting Lecher Len Brown, he is getting a media reprieve, but should not get one from those paying for the disgrace. While you are working overtime to pay your rates, he is swilling pink gins and eating caviar in some knock shop at your expense.

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  39. All_on_Red (1,546 comments) says:

    Marama Davidson- another dumb racist looking to leverage herself into a position with the political elite. Gravy and more gravy.
    Btw, what’s this ” indigenous” bullshit.
    My antecedents came here in 1839- as did many others. Is that long enough for us to be indigenous too?

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  40. Scott Chris (6,013 comments) says:

    Can it have been that simple?

    No.

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  41. All_on_Red (1,546 comments) says:

    hi
    You forgot (f)
    And get the colonialists to pay for all our jobs with their money…

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  42. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    “Green Party rising Star”

    Why isn’t she in the kitchen baking scones…where’s Jake the Muss when you need ‘em…

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  43. Paulus (2,589 comments) says:

    I hope that the arresting Police Dog cleaned his teeth, and had a rabies injection after having bitten the scum gang mobster.
    Don’t know what he might have caught.

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  44. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    Case Study Usurpation of Democracy:

    Claims Auckland immigration flawed
    It says if Auckland gets another 700,000 residents by 2040 – as recommended in the Draft Auckland Plan – Asians would be the majority ethnic group in the city.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/aucklander/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503378&objectid=11046531

    So who recommends? Who is this authority. Some voice has been given a green light. The Royal Commission on Auckland Governance was cold on agglomeration benefits.

    “Race Relations Commissioner Joris de Bres says a race-based immigration policy is unacceptable and Grey Power’s submission implies a “prejudicial view reflecting a fear of difference and a dislike of changes that have taken place over a long period’.

    ….
    since when was it a crime to be afraid of change, especially coming from elderly people who have been comfortable with the staus quo. What an arrogant narcissistic prick.

    He says Auckland is diverse and the most significant increase in ethnic populations will be from people who are already New Zealanders.

    “The major source of Auckland’s ethnic diversity is not immigration, it’s reproduction,” he says.

    Fact Check
    80% of our population growth in the last couple of decades has been the net inflow of non NZ citizens .
    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/downloads/pdfs/mi-jarrett-comm.pdf

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  45. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    Marama Davidson
    “indigenous uprising an absolute starting point”
    Like Meteria Turie and Catherine Delahunty they see indigenous people “leading the way” for “all humans” (we the miss placed). MD also blames colonisation for loss of indigenous plant knowlege (what about agriculture)?

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2545366/ideas-for-3-february-2013-idle-no-more
    from 40″.

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  46. Scott Chris (6,013 comments) says:

    Fuck the misogynistic Maori bashing red-necks are out in force this morning. Even PG is jumping on the bandwagon.

    Bunch of feral fuckwits the lot of you.

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  47. Paulus (2,589 comments) says:

    On another subject – that of test drilling I pass on the following taken from a reputable publication.

    “The Gorgon Project got under way in 2009. It is Australia’s largest ever natural resource investment and one of the biggest oil and gas projects in the world. Chevron estimate that Gorgon’s total gas reserves amount to 40 trillion cubic feet, equivalent to 6.7 billion of barrels of oil equivalent. It is believed that it will last 40 years and yield a total sales revenue of $500,000,000,000.

    And we are expected to stand still, which of course going backwards.

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  48. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    Scott Chris (5,556 comments) says:
    February 1st, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Fuck the misogynistic Maori bashing red-necks are out in force this morning. Even PG is jumping on the bandwagon.

    …..
    Got anything better than “Maori bashing” (since she is being ridiculed for her *ideas*)?

    If I’m not mistaken she is “mother of six”. Is she married? Is population no longer married to environmentalism? Did the left-wing faction cause a divorce?

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  49. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Bunch of feral fuckwits the lot of you.

    Scott Chris, Unlike the refined and gentle Maori ?

    I know it is currently fashionable among the white middle classes to pretend you have high regard for Maori, but no one is fooled by your painted on and contrived PC nonsense.

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  50. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    The Left’s population Policy.

    More money for (parents of) children. Children are our future… look after the (parents of) children get a better world (more children).

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  51. Kimbo (843 comments) says:

    @ Scott Chris

    “Fuck the misogynistic Maori bashing red-necks are out in force this morning. Even PG is jumping on the bandwagon.”

    Either that, or they have a natural main-stream Kiwi aversion to politicians retreading Marxist class warfare, and repackaging it as a battle over gender, race, or sexual orientation.

    I don’t dispute that there are elements of injustice in New Zealand. However, compared to the opportunities available to all, this is a good and just place.

    Which is why I think the gut instinct of the “red-necks” you are criticising is right – Discontent-merchants like Davidson cause more trouble than good for the constituencies she is supposedly advocating for. We live in a small country, where ultimately everyone knows one another. Imposing the “oppressor/oppressed” label on everyone is at best lazy, at worst inciting hatred and anger where it would otherwise not flourish – except in the hearts of the perpetually discontented.

    Plus dialectic analysis is utterly intolerant of open dialogue, and considering varying options. It is a quasi-religion, extinguishing true freedom of thought and action.

    Posters here may not frame their objections in those terms. Nevertheless, their instincts are right – IMHO. Davidson’s rhetoric is a Trojan Horse.

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  52. kowtow (8,114 comments) says:

    Another collapsing “green” scam.

    “Hi, we’re from the government and we’re here to help”…….bwahahahahahaha

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/farming/289722/pine-seedlings-destroyed-ets-price-plummets

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  53. kowtow (8,114 comments) says:

    And another one.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/wind-power-investments-in-germany-proving-riskier-than-thought-a-946367.html

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  54. Rowan (2,066 comments) says:

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Teina-Pora-granted-Privy-Council-appeal/tabid/423/articleID/330455/Default.aspx
    This case is rotten, and not even several of the investigating police seem to believe that it is a ‘safe’ conviction. It is probably the worst example injustice in NZ and shows just how rotten the NZ legal system is, there is no evidence whatsoever incriminating Pora except his spoon fed ‘confession’. In contrast there strong forensic evidence implicating serial rapist Malcolm Rewa, and the suggestion that they were ‘accomplices’ is nothing short of laughable, theres no evidence they ever met. No need for a retrial here for Pora, although Rewa should be tried and convicted of the murder.

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  55. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    What kimbo said Scott Chris: she’ll be derailed before she gets too far because her ideas are shallow and silly.

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  56. publicwatchdog (2,484 comments) says:

    In the Marama Davidson video there’s a banner that says:

    Hekia Piranhai
    Leading National (Act)’s vicious attacks on education, kids and parents.

    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Yep!

    That is MY banner, I made it and take full personal responsibility for so doing.

    You may recall that I have made a number of banners carrying a number of messages.

    Some you may like, some you may not.

    However – that’s what ‘freedom of expression’ is all about – is it not?

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Len+Brown+-+love+rat&rlz=1C1SKPC_enNZ368NZ373&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=xCbsUrPSFMa4iAeQ5IDYCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=836&bih=562#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=98CRQIuAVSO5IM%253A%3Beu3AgxXuleg7aM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.whaleoil.co.nz%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2014%252F01%252Fpenny-bright-love-rat-630×438.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.whaleoil.co.nz%252F2014%252F01%252Flen-brown-still-in-denial%252F%3B630%3B438

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com/give-a-grrl-a-banner/

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  57. dirty harry (446 comments) says:

    Scottchris why dont you go and ………..

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  58. stephieboy (2,625 comments) says:

    Rowan,Rewa To be tried and convicted for the murder.?Obviously your not a fan of due process and the rule of law..?Maybe Star Chamber should reconvene with you in oversight.?

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  59. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    The notion of indigenous people is shaky in a modern environment and given NZ was an isolated island for 80 million years the first humans (1290 to 1350) were an invading species.

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  60. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I saw that wee gem by Kea and thougt he may regret that is the morning along with his sore head.

    No chance. The police and armed forces are there to serve those in power not protect us. Every year untold people around the world are killed tortured and oppressed by police and the military. Every tyrant and crack pots regime is supported by the police. Then there is war, again waged by government agencies. We are talking millions upon millions dead.

    We are instructed to act all appalled if a private citizen kills one single person in a random act, while all around us governments kills millions. So called “criminals’ are not the biggest threat to your safety. The police and military are. That is a statistical fact.

    We are constantly lied to about how dangerous police work is and that they are there to protect us, in order to justify them having more power over us. But police work is not even in the top 50 of dangerous jobs. More people die farming in a year than the entire history of policing. It is extremely safe work. That is another statistical fact. They are not there to serve the people. They are there to enforce the whims of those in power and whether they do good or bad only depends on what they are told to do.

    Screaming “troll” and “police hater” at your spittle soaked keypad will not change reality. Stop and think what the armed state really does for people, based on reality not perception. Then you will see it for yourself. Every thing I said is self evident and does not need to be expanded upon. History and world events show the biggest threat to your safety is the government.

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  61. Rowan (2,066 comments) says:

    Not to smart are you Stiffy, Rewa was convicted of the rape only, the jury was unable to reach a verdict in his murder trial, the crown had successfully muddied the waters with Pora having already been convicted and serving time, he is serving a sentance of PD for the rape along with a number of others rapes he was convicted of.

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  62. Kimbo (843 comments) says:

    @ publicwatchdog

    “That is MY banner, I made it and take full personal responsibility for so doing….

    However – that’s what ‘freedom of expression’ is all about – is it not?”

    Yep.

    And also rank hypocrisy.

    The radical left – pretending they love humanity while savagely and personally attacking individuals, and stirring up hatred against them.

    BTW – aren’t “Public Watch Dogs” usually appointed by a publicly-agreed process? How did it go last time the name “Penny Bright” was on a ballot paper?

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  63. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Clearly I am not shy about calling our – system – to account. ;) I have a healthy distrust of authority.

    But I have to wonder what motives people like Rowan to act as a shill for every murderer who cries foul ? I know the system stuffs up and is sometimes corrupt. I know it from being part of it for a long time. But among that some good is done and some bad people are called to account. It is not all one thing or the other.

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  64. Pete George (23,420 comments) says:

    @Scott Chris

    Fuck the misogynistic Maori bashing red-necks are out in force this morning. Even PG is jumping on the bandwagon.

    As it turns out I wasn’t Maori bashing (I never was), I was Penny bashing. I have no idea if Penny is Maori or not and that’s irrelevant.

    Calling politicians and parties with a different approach to problems and solutions as “vicious” and uncaring about kids (as Turei and others keep doing) is the cringey bashing going on here.

    Kids in particular have become political pawns, abused by some politicians trying to force their ideals and shame any critics. Political child abuse by hypocrites.

    Edit: as per Kimbo.

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  65. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I was Penny bashing

    BREAKING NEWS

    Pete George admits to “BASHING” women. :)

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  66. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    Multiculturalism invited diversity and promised to give it respect. This part was well understood by most non-Westerners who had arrived in Western countries and appreciated a new openness in their attitudes.

    But the other aspect of multiculturalism was about forming unity through diversity, for which it required people from different religious and cultural backgrounds to wholeheartedly interact and integrate with the overall cultural dynamics of the society that they had chosen to be a part of.

    This aspect seemed to have gone missing in the attitudes of a number of men and women who have otherwise made full use of multiculturalism’s tolerant ways in countries where they have settled.

    Instead of even nominally integrating into a multicultural society, many have simply used it to ghettoise themselves, refusing to learn the adopted country’s prevalent language or exhibit a similar respect towards the country’s cultural norms.

    It’s become a one-way traffic, in which foreign cultures in a multicultural country would ghettoise themselves, but throw up their arms and complain of being discriminated against if asked to integrate.

    Usually critics of multiculturalism just grumble if a people from a different community demonstrate this kind of behaviour.

    However, things get terribly sensitive when a community uses the principles of multiculturalism to settle in Western societies; but after ghettoising itself, it not only begins to describe the demand of integration as an attack on its cultural moorings, but even threatens to respond with violence.

    This dilemma seems to be particularly testing in the UK. Though not alone in triggering the ghettoisation fall-out of multiculturalism, the South Asian Muslim communities in the UK seem to be one of the leading exponents of cultural segregation.

    As Muslim nations across the world were flushed with petro-dollars from conservative oil-rich monarchies from the late 1974 onwards, Muslim societies saw a surge in religious conservatism. The surge’s impact was also felt by the Muslim diaspora in non-Muslim countries.

    http://www.dawn.com/news/1079945/multiculturalism-will-eat-itself

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  67. stephieboy (2,625 comments) says:

    Rowan , is Rewa to be allowed a fair trial before a Jury of 12 of his peers.?
    Yes or No.?
    But this might get our resident “chronic know it all ” into over drive.
    Amanda Knox ‘s Guilty verdict is reinstated

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11194491

    I must confess the jury is still out with me. I need to do some more reading of the case before reaching any firm conclusions.At the moment I’ii give her the benefit of the doubt. But I do note the familiar accuations of Judidial and Police incompetence.Also Amanada Knox looks and behaves as innocent therefore she’s just got to be innocent.

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  68. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Would this be the Amanda Knox who changes her story as often as she changes her knickers?

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  69. Rowan (2,066 comments) says:

    Stephie
    Yes Rewa as is any anyone facing trial is entitled to a fair trial, don’t know enough to have a strong view on the on the Amanda Knox case, the ‘looks and behaves’ is rubbish, you can’t conclude anything based on this.
    Yes or no for you, Do you believe that Pora is guilty of anything other than stupidity in the Susan Burdett rape and murder?

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  70. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    That woman is scum of the highest order.

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  71. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “there is no evidence whatsoever incriminating Pora ”

    Two juries seemed to think there was Rowan…(people forget he has already had his retrial!)

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  72. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    kowtow @ 11.38am:
    Why doesn’t National abolish the ETS tax once and for all? Why the nonsensical taxation without reason?

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  73. kowtow (8,114 comments) says:

    manolo

    Cos they’re “progressive” and no longer conservative.

    Besides when was the last time you encountered a politician who could resist the urge to tax us plebs?

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  74. Rowan (2,066 comments) says:

    Two juries thought the same about AA Thomas LK, I think Malcolm Burgess should present the crown case to the law lords where he can argue that “Pora was convicted by two juries, so therefore its illegal that there is any possibility that he might be innocent”
    The jury verdicts mean little, there are plenty of dodgy/wrongful convictions out there.

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  75. OneTrack (2,963 comments) says:

    All_on_Red “My antecedents came here in 1839- as did many others. Is that long enough for us to be indigenous too?”

    No, you need the required blood quantum. You are still just tauiwi.

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  76. publicwatchdog (2,484 comments) says:

    Gee Pete – was that a ‘bash’?

    Oh!

    You’re SO tough and scary …… (not)

    yawn………….

    (Meant of course in a caring way ;)

    Penny Bright

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz

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  77. dime (9,788 comments) says:

    Kane Williamsons last 15 ODI innings:

    67, 114, 74, 62, 45, 58, 56, 8, 47, 16, 71, 77, 65, 60, 88

    That was on vietch’s facebook page. I havent checked its correct but it looks it…

    thats a 60 average with no not outs…

    Bruv – IMHO he has gone past andrew jones in ODI cricket.

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  78. stephieboy (2,625 comments) says:

    Rowan, .Pora Guilty or Not.?
    Again I do not have any firm views and have not read a lot about it so can’t give an informed opinion.But you evidently can.
    I do note though that he had two trials but then, of course, so did AAT.Am not sure where that will take us though.The cases seem to be very different.

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  79. Pete George (23,420 comments) says:

    Welcome to the year of the whores.

    Apparently an auto-subtitle glitch at the BBC. I think the Chinese new year is called something a little different.

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  80. kowtow (8,114 comments) says:

    hj

    Muslim resurgence.

    We often read in the apologist media that Jews and Christians were tolerated in Muslim society (due to the Koranic people of the book thing )and especially under the Ottomans.

    That is true ,but what must be remembered is that that toleration was only ever on condition they pay jizya.So of course the Muslims tolerated their taxpaying minorities,as the taxes kept them in power and money.hy would you kill the goose that lays your golden eggs?

    A big change today is as you point out the middle eastern Muslim economy has been changed with petro dollars.Why would you need to tolerate minorities whose tax revenues are so miniscule compared to your oil revenues?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-war-on-christianity-the-religions-followers-are-dwindling-in-the-land-of-its-birth–and-its-not-a-crisis-of-faith-but-one-of-violence-9094363.html

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  81. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    It is a real problem that religious intolerance thing Kowtow. I share your concern.

    Haaretz Newspaper in Israel

    Ultra-Orthodox spitting attacks on Old City clergymen becoming daily

    Clergymen in the Armenian Church in Jerusalem say they are victims of harassment, from senior cardinals to priesthood students; when they do complain, the police don’t usually find the perpetrators.

    Ultra-Orthodox young men curse and spit at Christian clergymen in the streets of Jerusalem’s Old City as a matter of routine.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/ultra-orthodox-spitting-attacks-on-old-city-clergymen-becoming-daily-1.393669

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  82. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    But still there is hope Kowtow. The Jews were recently reminded where singling out a religious group for demonisation leads. It never ends well. They know it can quickly change from Muslims, back to them.

    Hate Speech Has No Place in a Synagogue

    Both the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League have designated Geller’s “Stop Islamization of America” organization as a hate group. As was recently reported in the Jewish Week, Etzion Neuer, director of community service and policy for the ADL’s New York region, said that Geller “under the guise of fighting radical Islam, absolutely demonizes an entire religion. In directing her rhetoric at the entire Islamic faith, she fuels anti-Islamic bigotry. Geller doesn’t do us any favors,” he continued. “She muddies the waters because she hands the platform to the extremists in our midst. Instead of thoughtful, fact-based dialogue on the issues, we get incendiary rhetoric and xenophobia.”

    http://www.thejewishweek.com/editorial-opinion/opinion/hate-speech-has-no-place-synagogue

    Makes you think a Kowtow ? How many Muslims do you know Kowtow ?

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  83. kowtow (8,114 comments) says:

    Here’s another “progressive” Conservative. A complete ,shallow,know nothing, twit.

    Roll on the UKIP.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2549107/PM-cites-TV-spies-justify-snooping-Cameron-says-eavesdropping-mobile-Internet-use-essential-protect-citizens-terrorists-attacks.html

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  84. kowtow (8,114 comments) says:

    Anyone else find it funny how the troll kea keeps making posts about Jews spitting at Christians (like it’s the end of the world) and yet the troll spends a disproportionate amount of her/his efforts (along with buddy nasska) spitting bile and hatred at Christians?

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  85. Colville (2,237 comments) says:

    Dime, Re: Kane W.
    Last night he could have slowed up a bit (like Taylor did) and been not out at the end of the game and bumped his average up but he kept at it with the big stick and perished at a strike rate around 100. Awesome.
    Taylor only put the hammer back down after Kane was gone.

    “We” do seem to have had a awful lot of new talent fall out of the sky in the last year. The tests are going to be fun to watch and see how they turn out. Hopefully the weather Gods wont be the making or breaking of them.

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  86. Colville (2,237 comments) says:

    I noticed a freshly painted Conservative Party office here in Palmy North today…. nice pretty blue…..

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  87. Rowan (2,066 comments) says:

    Kowtow
    Yes definitely, also do you notice the amount of times the same troll complains about other people posting abuse at him, yet has probably posted more abuse at others on KB than everyone else put together.

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  88. Nukuleka (290 comments) says:

    Interesting to note that in today’s Press the letters column comes down overwhelmingly in opposition to any change to the current New Zealand flag, an ensign that has served us proudly for 140 years. People don’t want something that is representative of a sports team, they don’t want anything to do with the colour black, representing anarchy, and they don’t want an emblem that is any way divisive rather than unifying.

    People want our traditions acknowledged and want the current flag to remain.

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  89. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Kowtow, how would you feel about Muslims spitting at Christian clergy ? Your response seem a bit tepid. Are you not well today ?

    There are no reports of Jewish folk spitting at Muslim clergy and in fact they seem to get on rather well. I remember being told by a deeply religious friend that when she went to Israel she was warned to stay away from religious Jews as they will spit at you.

    You see kowtow the Jews know how you Christians are and where your sort of religious bias leads. You are won’t accept it from me and you won’t accept it from Jews. You just want to hate someone. Now it is Muslims, but it was recently Jews that were persecuted by your sort. You are the sort of person that persecuted Jews. Not people like me. The Jews know that, hence the spitting.

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  90. Colville (2,237 comments) says:

    Nukuleka.
    What demographic tend to write letters to the editor to a paper version of a news outlet?
    65 yrs old ++ ??
    Certianly no one under 40 years old would so you have a very slanted sample IMHO.

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  91. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    yet has probably posted more abuse at others on KB than everyone else put together.

    Rowan, you are new here ? LOL :)

    My efforts are actually pretty mild. They just gain more attention because I do not mindlessly parrot anti muslim, anti men, anti everything, nonsense and actually think for myself. I also engage the topic in my abusive posts, instead of just ad hominem attacks and impotent and pathetic cries of “TROLL !!”.

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  92. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Colly has a point. People who write to the newspaper are a odd bunch, even by the ambitious standards set by KB :)

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  93. All_on_Red (1,546 comments) says:

    “Fuck the misogynistic Maori bashing red-necks are out in force this morning.”

    Actually I’m part Nga Puhi. Is it now racist for one Maori to call another Maori racist?
    That ok now one track?

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  94. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Gee Pete – was that a ‘bash’?

    Oh!

    You’re SO tough and scary …… (not)

    yawn………….

    Penny, don’t try and minimise PG’s abusive behaviour. Your are an abuse “survivor” now.

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  95. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    Professor Marama Davidson of the Department of Department of Rhetorical Objectivity.

    Jenny asked me to come tonight to this event and share in acknowledging and celebrating Māori doctoral students here at The University of Auckland. It is an honor to be here in the multiple roles that I hold now as a Māori academic and researcher.

    By multiple roles I stand here as an alumni of the university and the Faculty of education, an Associate Professor of the Univesity of Auckland, Associate Professor of the University of Waikato and an adjunct Associate Professor of Te Whare Wānanga o Awanuiarangi. I understand I must be able to claim to be the most ‘Associate Professor’ed’ Māori in the world. But, more importantly than any mahi I do in my life, the most important role I have is that I am a mother of 6 tamariki and a nanny of two very new and gorgeous mokopuna. My tamariki and mokopuna are my world. Everything I do is about them. Everything I do is about making this world a better place for our future generations, those who are in our present and those yet to come.

    As such, much of the mahi that I now focus on is about turning the tide on the deficit, reductionist, limited views that pervade this society, about Māori, about whānau, about women, about gay, lesbian, transsexual communities. Providing a Māori voice, a kaupapa voice, a critical voice against all forms of oppression. It is about social justice. It is about realizing dreams. It is about making the world a better place. Being transformative. Making a difference. Challenging inequality, speaking out against oppression. Freeing ourselves. Taking a stand. In my view that is a critical role for a Māori scholar, to take the notion of academic freedom, to take the role as critic and conscience of society and to run is a widely and deeply as humanly possible.

    http://tewhareporahou.wordpress.com/2013/12/17/celebrating-maori-educational-success/

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  96. hj (6,794 comments) says:

    Woman Power

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  97. kowtow (8,114 comments) says:

    Multiculti alert!

    Why do so many ‘European” members of the religion of peace take part in overseas violent jihad?

    How many “kiwis” and Okers are over there?

    Why does the west insist on still allowing so many more such immigrants?

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/457207/New-TERROR-time-bomb-French-president-reveals-700-British-jihadists-in-Syrian-holy-war

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  98. srylands (404 comments) says:

    From The Standard. I nominate this for the most stupid thing said in New Zealand today.

    “[The] reason for exports is to increase demand which inevitably results in higher inflation in the local market. No local market can support a growing economy when that growing economy is just doing more of the same thing. We really should have stopped the increase in farming once we were growing enough to feed all the population here and then we’d see the improvements that increased productivity promises.

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  99. stephieboy (2,625 comments) says:

    Kea, can we call it quits.?
    Yes, spitiing on Christians by Ultra Orthodix Jews is to be condemned.
    The hacking and butchering to death of citizens going about their lawful business’s like Lee Rigby likewise.
    More so in my view but let’s stick to Condeming both kinds of acts.
    Certainly we can blame a perverted view of Religion on this.I would add that no ideology, religious or secular, is immune from this sought of thing.
    It can reach into the very darkest recesses of human nature therefore we are all potentially culpable and capable.

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  100. Reid (16,179 comments) says:

    I nominate this for the most stupid thing said in New Zealand today.

    This is my nomination.

    It can reach into the very darkest recesses of human nature therefore we are all potentially culpable and capable.

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  101. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    kowtow (6,220 comments) says:
    February 1st, 2014 at 3:18 pm
    Multiculti alert!

    Some people see this as a good thing kowtow ?

    Are there any other religious groups you think should be eliminated from Europe ?

    Israeli Settler Rabbi Praises Islamic Takeover Of Europe

    “With the help of God, the gentiles there will adopt a healthier life with a lot of modesty and integrity, and not like the hypocritical Christianity which appears pure but is fundamentally corrupt,” Efrati wrote.

    “Jews should rejoice at the fact that Christian Europe is losing its identity as a punishment for what it did to us for the hundreds of years were in exile there,” Efrati continued,

    “We will never forgive Europe’s Christians”

    http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/11/israeli-settler-rabbi-praises-islamic-takeover-of-europe-123.html

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  102. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Kea, can we call it quits.?

    stephieboy, Why did you address that to me and not kowtow ?

    If you really held the views you pretend to hold, then you would challenge his comments. But you are not being honest. You think my links make Jews look bad, even though they are from Israeli main stream media, so you want to silence me.

    It shows you as a very dishonest and manipulative person riddled with hypocrisy.

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  103. stephieboy (2,625 comments) says:

    Kea, you need to urgently visit that Psychiatrist or Doctor I urged for you earlier in the week
    Your Paranoia is spiraling out of control ,otherwise committal proceedings are definitely on the cards.
    Oh, another thing you’d help things at home considerably if you stopped enforcing your strict sharia dress and other related codes.

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  104. nasska (11,078 comments) says:

    What would Paranoid Parrot do? :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/alvopue0kcrp05x/Paranoia%201.jpg

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  105. jackinabox (781 comments) says:

    Kea (10,099 comments) says:

    February 1st, 2014 at 11:55 am

    I saw that wee gem by Kea and thougt he may regret that is the morning along with his sore head.

    No chance. The police and armed forces are there to serve those in power not protect us. Every year untold people around the world are killed tortured and oppressed by police and the military. Every tyrant and crack pots regime is supported by the police. Then there is war, again waged by government agencies. We are talking millions upon millions dead.

    We are instructed to act all appalled if a private citizen kills one single person in a random act, while all around us governments kills millions. So called “criminals’ are not the biggest threat to your safety. The police and military are. That is a statistical fact.

    We are constantly lied to about how dangerous police work is and that they are there to protect us, in order to justify them having more power over us. But police work is not even in the top 50 of dangerous jobs. More people die farming in a year than the entire history of policing. It is extremely safe work. That is another statistical fact. They are not there to serve the people. They are there to enforce the whims of those in power and whether they do good or bad only depends on what they are told to do.

    Screaming “troll” and “police hater” at your spittle soaked keypad will not change reality. Stop and think what the armed state really does for people, based on reality not perception. Then you will see it for yourself. Every thing I said is self evident and does not need to be expanded upon. History and world events show the biggest threat to your safety is the government.

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  106. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    stephieboy, paranoid about what ? Do you mean calling you out no your obvious double standards ?

    Was this question too hard for you ? : “stephieboy, Why did you address that to me and not kowtow ?”

    You would be a lot more coherent if you simply said what you really think. If you think certain groups of society should be elevated above others and be beyond criticism, while other less favoured groups should have vitriol and scorn poured upon them and the most baseless allegations directed at them should be accepted without question, then simply say so. Then your actions might match your words.

    How about a descending list, with gods favourites at the top and the mud races at the bottom ? It is pretty clear that is how you really think.

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  107. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    jackinabox, It is so self evident it worries me I even have to say it. Over 200 million killed by governments since WWII, which was itself started by governments. Yet people can not accept that police/military are a bigger threat than rare and random acts by violent citizens.

    I despair at the stupidity of people at times. They simply believe what they want to, even when faced with clear evidence to the contrary. It is intellectually lazy and dishonest. And dangerous, in this example.

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  108. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Does MT_Tinman “withdraw and apologise” for this comment on 20 Jan? :)

    This Indian team are the best in the world at the moment (in ODIs) with one of the most impressive opening med-quicks I’ve seen in that format for some time – far better than any operating across the Tasman yesterday.

    Tinny – I think what you meant to say was:

    This Indian team are the worst in the world at the moment (in ODIs) with one of the most inept bunch of pie-throwing med-quicks I’ve seen in that format for some time – far worse than any operating across the Tasman yesterday. Ishant Sharma couldn’t make Prems in NZ.

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  109. RightNow (6,961 comments) says:

    Working my way through The Wire. Season 4 is off to a great start:

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  110. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    stephieboy, I know you are a big fan of Pat Condell, so here is his latest. Hilarious :)

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  111. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    RIghtnow – I’m almost at the end of season 2. Great show

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  112. MT_Tinman (3,092 comments) says:

    nickb, no.

    I’m still too busy laughing about your rubbishing of Mitchell Johnson (tests) and Kyle Mills (ODIs).

    I do note, however, that NZ batsmen did not score freely either at the start of the innings or, regularly, at the end of their innings when the quick was operating and that India entered the series as world no.1 and regained that rank for a short period during the series.

    The conclusion, when viewed honestly and considerately, can only be that MT_Tinman is both knowledgeable and brilliant, as well as devastatingly handsome, and owes no retraction nor apology but that nickb should immediately post an admission that he knows nothing about cricket at all, that post to be also published, at nickb’s cost, in at least three major dailies, front page of course.

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  113. nasska (11,078 comments) says:

    A group of people were given a tour of NZ Post’s sorting centre.

    One asked the tour guide, “What’s that machine?”

    “That’s the Acme 3000 Auto Sorter System. It can sort 150,000 letters an hour and it’s 99.5% accurate. It’s controlled by 12 supercomputers, each of which is 5000 times more powerful than an average desktop PC. It has over 15,000 state-of-the-art optical location identification sensors, contains enough circuit boards to entirely cover the pitch at the Westpac Stadium and it has 200 miles of fibre-optic cable. It cost over $5 million to develop,” he boasted proudly.

    “What happens to the letters after it’s finished sorting them?” the visitor asked.

    “We give them to a bloke on a push bike.”

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  114. big bruv (13,661 comments) says:

    nickb

    I can attest that MT Tinman is indeed a fountain of knowledge when it comes to things Cricket. I would go so far as to say that MT Tinman is the man who comes closest to me when it comes to Cricket knowledge.

    Where MT Tinman lets himself down is when the seasons start to change, while he does know a bit about Cricket it is clear that he knows almost nothing about Rugby. unfortunately he suffers from the sheep shagger syndrome, so bad is his affliction that he actually thought that Ruben Thorne was a good player and deserved to be the captain of the NZ team.

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  115. Snarkle (118 comments) says:

    what are the chances of whaleoil linking to this article?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/31/grizzly-bears-climate-change_n_4652044.html

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  116. All_on_Red (1,546 comments) says:

    Snarkle
    One problem. It’s not warming.

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