General Debate 20 February 2014

February 20th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    Yesterday after hearing ads on the radio about a shortage of blood due to only 4% donating I decided to do my civic duty and donate blood. As I follow Colin Craig’s advice and do not take it up the arse or have sex with promiscuous woman I could safely donate blood. I note they do not ask be if I use a condom but they do ask a lot of other question and in particular if I have had sex with another man. NZ Blood services has an excellent safety record. I hope they do not cave in to homosexual activists and change their screening procedures.

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  2. Left Right and Centre (2,397 comments) says:

    I can’t wait for Mediaworks to give Paul Henry the 7pm slot.

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  3. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    Prosecutor Andrew Edis read aloud an email on Wednesday (local time) that had been sent by Rebekah Brooks, then chief executive of Murdoch’s British newspapers, to Murdoch’s son and deputy James on July 11, 2011.

    In it, Brooks said she had spent an hour on the phone with Blair, who had told her: “It will pass. Tough up.”

    She said he told her to “keep strong and definitely (take) sleeping pills”.

    Brooks also wrote that Blair “is available for you, KRM (Rupert Murdoch) and me as an unofficial adviser, but needs to be between us”.

    She said Blair suggested Murdoch’s company set up an external committee into phone hacking, which would “publish a Hutton-style report”. The 2004 Hutton Report cleared Blair’s government of wrongdoing over its handling of intelligence about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/9742981/Tony-Blairs-offer-to-Rupert-Murdoch

    Remember the Yes Minister episode when they talk about having an enquiry where they already knew the result and which was designed to exonerate. Except the Hutton Report was not a comedy, it involved real blood, real treasure and real corruption. And how did Brooks know what her version of it would conclude? Need we even ask?

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  4. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    One of the main criticisms of Colin Craig’s defamation threat against Russel Norman is that Norman’s comments were just part of the “rough and tumble of politics” and that Craig will need to harden up if he wants a political career.

    To an extent this is just “the rough and tumble of politics” and as many have suggested, Craig does need to “harden up” if he wants a career in politics.

    But should the “rough and tumble” just be accepted as part of the political game? Is a toxic political environment ok or should the excesses of our parliamentary representatives be challenged?

    The rough and tumble of politics.

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  5. Elaycee (4,089 comments) says:

    Good news from the Beehive with the release of stats about boy racers.

    Since the tougher stance on boy racers was introduced in 2009 (complete with the ability to crush the cars of recidivist boy racer morons), there has been a 49.6% reduction in offences!

    Of the total 10,141 offences since 2009 only 242 offenders are on their second strike, 13 drivers have received three convictions and three cars have been destroyed. Judges have the discretion to grant destruction orders on vehicles.

    “The aim is not to crush cars but to have a strong deterrent, and the boy racer legislation is effective in letting these young drivers know that there are severe consequences if they continue to break the law.

    “Fewer offences mean safer streets and fewer deaths and injuries, both to innocent drivers caught up in this behaviour, and to the boy racers themselves.

    “There will be no let up from the Police.”

    Another plus mark for Cabinet Ministers Anne Tolley and Judith Collins.

    The sooner these boy racer morons are off the streets, the better for the rest of us.

    http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/boy-racer-offences-halved-hard-work-continues

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  6. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    One of the main criticisms of Colin Craig’s defamation threat against Russel Norman is that Norman’s comments were just part of the “rough and tumble of politics” and that Craig will need to harden up if he wants a political career.

    Meanwhile Craig continues to be one of the most prominent politicians in the news cycle, day after day, week after week, month after month, while others like say, Dunne, practices invisibility.

    No wonder Dunne’s shills are worried.

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  7. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    And in other surprising news, Len Brown isn’t welcome at events in his own city.

    Len Brown – Stand Down!

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/02/dear-len-please-dont-come.html

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  8. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    A rather churlish and childish rant Chuck Bird. Willing to give unselfishly as a blood donor then try and make political capital out of it on behalf of Craig.Ii don’t think the prospective donee will be to concerned by your political views.Nor any other sane member of the public.
    Collin has now embraced liberal ideas by welcoming gays into the membership.
    Get over it.!

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  9. igm (880 comments) says:

    What a disgusting left-wing bombardment of communism, envy, and baseless fiscal analysis, given prime time by the Tv3 losers last night. I think climax of the crap came when they interviewed Snake Kelly of CTU, trying to make a point for archaic collective bargaining. I hope advertisers continue withdrawing support from this medium, they don’t deserve any help from those they are trying to discredit.

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  10. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    Festival to Brown: stay away. Mayor’s office says he’ll attend military tattoo anyway, despite warnings he may attract protests.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11205861

    A clever move on the PR chessboard from Brown’s opponents, including the Herald for publishing the story. If he goes, protests are inevitable; if he doesn’t, it’s the first public sign of weakness. Brown’s NPD won’t let him back down, he’ll go and pretend the protests are nothing, while they’ll be the only thing the media will cover.

    This is going to keep happening, event after event after event. Brown bought it on himself. It’s too late to resign with honour. He’ll have to be booted out in disgrace.

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  11. wreck1080 (3,533 comments) says:

    “Auckland City Council staff say their privacy was breached after auditors checked a million emails during an investigation into Mayor Len Brown’s an extra-marital affair with Bevan Chuang.

    As far as I understand , employers are free to read employee email accounts. An email sent by an employee using an employer email account belongs to the employer.

    If you want privacy, use your own email account.

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  12. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Mike Hosking is interviewing Rod Drury this morning on his radio show. Perhaps I have missed something but why are we fawning over a company and a man who has yet to make a profit?

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  13. srylands (302 comments) says:

    From today’s The Standard:

    “Neo-liberalism will only be defeated when those raking in the riches of Non-Productive and Speculative Capitalism are differentiated in the economy by harsh taxation used as an educative tool to force these people into Productive Capitalism”

    This guy is not taking the piss.

    It brings back memories. When I was 18 I was Left like most students. I went to a Communist Party meeting. This is exactly the stuff they were ranting. I was cured.

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  14. James Stephenson (1,885 comments) says:

    Yesterday after hearing ads on the radio about a shortage of blood due to only 4% donating

    Well as soon as they re-think their ban on anyone that ever ate a meat pie in the UK, I’ll be there.

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  15. igm (880 comments) says:

    Reid: Rapt to read this, Lecher was starting to get a little sassy, starting to shoot his mouth off, offering advice on matters he of late, had been avoiding. He is a disgusting specimen of humanity, and treating him as such can only benefit the decent people of Auckland.
    I hope his demise comes at the same time as Slobcom . . . they are two of a kind, neither wanted here. Bet Winnie and Wussel are shitting in their boots, he will want them to provide something for his efforts and support of them.

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  16. calendar girl (1,108 comments) says:

    Alcoa is closing its aluminium smelter in Geelong, Australia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26236586 due to “excess capacity” and the plant being “no longer competitive”.

    It seems that Rio Tinto’s issues at Tiwai Point are not unique. Transpower should be pressing on (with Government encouragement) in developing options for the longer-term reticulation and use of power from Manapouri.

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  17. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    James, why do you think they should rethink that ban?

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  18. Colville (1,780 comments) says:

    The rise of Colin Craig’s party is going to be a very interesting item in the upcoming year.
    I think one of the really interesting things about the rise of Craig is that it comes when Peters is falling off his perch.
    I see the Cons and being the natural second home of a lot of Peters disciples, elderly and likely to be religious and just looking for someone to vote for that isn’t National or Labour. There is 2 – 4 % of the vote there for the taking. Craig already got 2.7% and will do a lot better this time around, with Peters voters onboard he would have 7% under his wing.
    I think this is why Wussel is so scared of Craig, he sees Craig as a rising force in politics and a natural ally to National.
    With Craig in politics Wussel will never get his hands on the levers of power and this is what Wussel wants. Power at any price.

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  19. OneTrack (1,979 comments) says:

    “The sooner these boy racer morons are off the streets, the better for the rest of us. ”

    Should we do the same to drunk drivers, some of whom might actually kill someone, instead of just leaving a bit of rubber on the road?

    No, that would be mwean. We will only crush the cars of “boy racers” because thats the worst offence possible..

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  20. mandk (711 comments) says:

    @stephieboy,
    Chuck’s comments were perfectly reasonable. Compare your up and down ticks with his.
    Get over it!

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  21. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Thanks Reid, proving a point. More on it later.

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  22. OneTrack (1,979 comments) says:

    “Alcoa is closing its aluminium smelter in Geelong, Australia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26236586 due to “excess capacity” and the plant being “no longer competitive”. ”

    Maybe Tiwai Point is one of the reasons the Geelong smelter is closing?

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  23. david (2,483 comments) says:

    Calendar Girl @ 8:28
    Do you think that perhaps the Geelong smelter is principally devoted to Aluminium production for the car industry such as it is and will no longer be a couple of years down the track? If so then its closure is unrelated to Tiwai Point UNLESS there is a price/quality differential between the plants and it was a 2 horse race to closure.

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  24. ShawnLH (2,118 comments) says:

    Wow. Come onto a totally new thread and what’s Pete talking about? Not like he’s obsessed or campaigning for UF though, right? :)

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  25. ShawnLH (2,118 comments) says:

    Onetrack,

    the concern about boy racers resulted in part after several acts of violence and/or intimidation, including a female security guard having her car surrounded while the yobs banged on it and threatened her. That’s a little more than just rubber on the road. Agree with you about doing the same with drunk drivers though.

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  26. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    “Neo-liberalism will only be defeated when those raking in the riches of Non-Productive and Speculative Capitalism are differentiated in the economy by harsh taxation used as an educative tool to force these people into Productive Capitalism”

    While I’m a fiscal conservative and think capitalism is the best means we have to manufacture, distribute and price goods and services, it does have a fundamental problem. Competition.

    Competition promotes selfishness. Selfishness counter-intuitively, rears its head most when goods are abundant, not when they’re scarce. You can observe this in us by looking at today’s behaviour in capitalist systems. You can also see this in nature.

    If you feed birds in the dead of winter with a limited supply say a few slices of bread, the birds that gather will cooperate with one another and take only what they need all feeding at the same trough with no bird becoming territorial. However if you give them a whole loaf, the opposite happens, and even when certain birds have gorged themselves, they will still vigorously peck at late arrivals, defending “their” possession to the hilt.

    I don’t have an answer, I’m just pointing to a problem, which is a problem because fact is, the highest attainment for humans is not to accumulate possessions but to reach spiritual heights of peace, harmony and love and this desire is inherent in all of us, but is suppressed by our current way of life, which teaches everyone the way to happiness, to security, is through accumulating abundant possessions. Many people who have done that accumulation and lived with them for awhile, often conclude “now what” and this is because of our innate spirituality that drives all humans and cannot and will never be satisfied with possessions of any kind, no matter how luxurious and no matter how abundant.

    But capitalism relies on selfish competition and on unnecessary abundance which is why for example things don’t last as long as they used to because the consumer machine must keep operating, faster and faster, harder and harder. This is why many people spend long hours after work answering emails up to 9-10 PM at night, because their competitors do therefore they also must, to stay with the pack.

    It really does suck as a system, capitalism, but it’s like democracy: “the worst possible apart from all the others.” But the only reason we as a species haven’t generated a viable alternative is because our materialist age – which has been in place since the early 1800′s when Victorians began it then the US Gilted Age took over and propelled it – refuses to place any value whatsoever on anything spiritual and so those teachings dating back to the ancients have gradually become sidelined in favour of accumulating more and more of whatever is out there, whether we need it or not.

    But I and many others that I read on the web are sensing a spiritual renaissance in global thought. Please don’t think I’m referring only to religion, I’m referring to your soul and what nurtures it, you all have one, even if the material age has made you think it doesn’t exist. And the good news is this renaissance can’t be stopped, it’s being driven by forces that materialism cannot touch, although as it develops into a visible movement the vested interests will use all their media manipulation to try to. But they won’t succeed, for we are eternal spiritual beings living a temporary physical existence, not the other way round, and once you recognise that and work on the implications of being such a being, you begin to reconnect with the ancient wisdom that while temporarily forgotten, has been around since before mankind first walked the Earth.

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  27. James Stephenson (1,885 comments) says:

    James, why do you think they should rethink that ban?

    I’m not necessarily saying they should, but given the number of UK and Irish immigrants and Kiwi OE’ers that it covers, I think they should quite whining about the number of people that donate.

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  28. peterwn (2,940 comments) says:

    calendar girl – Meridian has already done the exercise as to how to make alternative use of Manapouri power if Tiwai Smelter closes. Tiwai would not slam the door shut – it needs to give notice then phase down. This would then allow an orderly re-alignment of the power market together with some work to ease grid bottlenecks affecting the transmission of this power. Institutions who purchased Meridian shares took this into account during the price setting operation. There are two stand-out points when comparing the Geelong and Tiwai smelters:
    1. Geelong smelter power is basically generated from low quality brown coal and this power must now getting to be rather expensive. Compare with Manapouri hydro power used at Tiwai.
    2. Tiwai allegedly produces exceptionally pure aluminium. While this does not make it free from the risk of closure, it would be fairly low down on the list of smelters facing closure.

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  29. wreck1080 (3,533 comments) says:

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/why-private-schools-add-little-to-education-mix-20140219-330pz.html

    Probably true, but you don’t send kids to a private school for a better education. You send them so they are mixing with peers who are more likely to be future leaders.

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  30. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Shawn – I’m campaigning for what I originally got involved in politics for, promoting a better standard of politics, and if you actually read what I posted you would see that that is consistent with that aim – and agrre with and am supportive of Craig on that who has a similar aim.

    Do you disagree with poor political behaviour being challenged?

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  31. flipper (3,275 comments) says:

    ONLY IN AUSTRALIAN POLITICS

    Media Statement from Bob Kernohan, former AWU President, Victoria Branch.
    FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCEMENT OF A ROYAL COMMISSION INTO UNION CORRUPTION

    I congratulate PM ABBOTT on the announcement of a Royal Commission into corruption in trade unions. I am perplexed however at Bill Shorten’s opposition to a Royal Commission and his claim that a police taskforce should investigate corruption in unions. Bill Shorten knows a lot of the detail about Julia Gillard and Bruce Wilson’s corrupt activities involving the AWU because he was there at the time it happened. So was I. Bill Shorten’s had 18 years to go to the police if he was serious about helping police investigate corruption and he hasn’t lifted a finger. So Bill, I can only think that you oppose a Royal Commission because you’re afraid of what it will report.

    I recruited Bill Shorten into the AWU in 1992. Bill was my campaign manager in AWU union elections for the leadership of the Victorian Branch. My opponent was Bruce Wilson whose de facto Julia Gillard was a partner at the AWU’s law firm Slater and Gordon. My bitter campaign against Wilson was focused on serious financial irregularities in the union books. In 1996 the then AWU General Secretary, Ian Cambridge called for a royal commission into the AWU. I supported Ian Cambridge at that time.
    Bill Shorten knew at least as much as I knew about the frauds – we discussed it at the time, but since then I’ve seen no positive actions at all from Bill to bring offenders to justice, in fact Bill’s done the opposite.

    Bill Shorten urged me to participate in the cover up – “think of your career, Bob” he said. I know that Bill Shorten has not assisted either the Victoria Police or the WA Police to bring offenders to justice. He did nothing as State Secretary in Victoria, nor as AWU National secretary in 2001 thru 2007. He never called in the police to investigate. Bill Shorten chose to cover the fraud up; and to add insult to injury, he was a key player in installing Julia Gillard into the Lodge!

    A Royal Commission where persons of interest are compelled to give sworn evidence is the only way that corruption in unions will ever be fully exposed and people made to be accountable for their criminal actions.

    I can be reached on 0438901594 [Australian #] and I am happy to talk on the record.

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  32. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    @James Stephenson

    I have trouble following your logic. NZ now has some of the safest donated blood in the world. Many years ago some people became infected with Hep C. Since then the safety record has been very good.

    There is a shortage of blood. It seems that NZ Blood Services have a couple of obvious options. One is to advertise for blood donors and the other is to lower standards and put the public at risk. I think the first option is a no brainer.

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  33. Colville (1,780 comments) says:

    Chuck.
    There is another option.
    NZ Blood (the vampires) employ really agressive phone staff who call my Son twice a week to ask him to make an appt to give yet more blood. My Son who is an extreeeeemly calm kinda dude has recently told them that they can shove it up their arse and not to call again.

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  34. calendar girl (1,108 comments) says:

    david @ 8:48
    A good observation, but the linked item specifically refers to the two associated rolling mills closing “after being ‘impacted by excess capacity’ in the Australian and Asian markets for materials used to make cans”. Obviously I don’t know enough of the details. But Tiwai Point’s viability remains tenuous post the present 3-year(?) contract. Development of Manapouri’s / Transpower’s strategic options will have a significant impact on any limitation of the potential national and regional downsides.

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  35. Peter (1,471 comments) says:

    Politicheck.org.nz

    Politicheck.org.nz’s goal is to analyse all statements made during the election by all parties and say whether or not based on evidence available they are telling the truth.

    This could be good….

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  36. Than (376 comments) says:

    Meanwhile Craig continues to be one of the most prominent politicians in the news cycle, day after day, week after week, month after month, while others like say, Dunne, practices invisibility.

    And also one of the most disliked and untrusted, ranking below Winston Peters and about the same level as Hone Harawira.

    You can keep convincing yourself any publicity is good publicity if you like, but Colin Craig’s ongoing series of gaffes over the last few months have not helped the Conservative’s chances. It makes them an increasing electoral liability with centrist voters, meaning an arrangement with National (the Conservative’s only realistic path to parliament) is less and less likely.

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  37. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    @Colville

    With all due respect I find that very hard to believe. I have donated blood for over 30 years and have never encountered anything remotely pushy.

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  38. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    And also one of the most disliked and untrusted, ranking below Winston Peters and about the same level as Hone Harawira.

    I think your first two traits are your own personal conclusions as I’m not aware of any polls that asked those particular questions and the important thing, as any pollster will tell is: what’s the trend.

    I think you’ll find it’s upward and I also think you’ll find, in stark contrast to Cunliffe, the more people see of Craig, the more they will like him, notwithstanding the media’s and the vested political interest’s increasingly desperate but across the board attempts to paint him as a looney misogynist.

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  39. flipper (3,275 comments) says:

    Alcoa

    Vic and A N other….

    In Australia there are now screams about job losses consequential on the closure of two smelters.

    In NZ there were Tiwai job loss doom forecasts, later replaced by screams over “corporate welfare”, but there would have been employment loss screams of rage had Tiwai moved toward closure.

    I suppose that debate on economic purity is NOT preferable to the reality of practical politics.

    Looked at in the context of the coming General Election, I would rather have English/Key/Joyce on the economic quarterdeck than the other options.

    In this instance the avoidance of closure is good for Southland folk…. good for New Zealand….and achieved/deferred at comparatively small cost.

    In the context of “election bribes” Tiwai is Mutton Bird feed. But picking “corporate winners” is undesirable, and usually a” no win business”, that creates other problems. We shall see.

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  40. Than (376 comments) says:

    Reid – http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9736600/Key-most-liked-trusted

    I believe WhaleOil also has a post with the specific numbers for each leader.

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  41. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    You’re making assertions absent any facts again Reid.

    Here’s the link to the trust/like poll on Whale Oil: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/02/one-trusts-fat-german/
    - I posted a link to that yesterday especially for Reid but he seems to ignore what he doesn’t like.

    Conservatives got 2.65% in the 2011 election.

    The latest 3 News/Reid Research poll: Conservative – 2.1 percent, down 0.7 percent
    http://www.3news.co.nz/3-News-Reid-Research-poll-shows-Peters-as-kingmaker/tabid/1607/articleID/330698/Default.aspx

    The latest Roy Morgan: Conservative Party 2.5% (down 1%)
    http://www.roymorgan.com/~/media/Files/Findings%20PDF/2014/February/5418-NZ-National-Voting-Intention.pdf

    The latest Fairfax/IPOSOS poll: Conservatives 2.0% (up 1.3)

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  42. Colville (1,780 comments) says:

    PG and Reid.

    Point being it doesnt matter if 90% of NZ dont like Craig, he only needs 5% to like him enough to give him the party tick.

    Craig was polling at ZERO 8 months out from the ’11 election, if he is polling at 2.0 now he is that far ahead.

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  43. Than (376 comments) says:

    Colville – No, the point is that if even 2-3% of swing-voters dislike Craig enough that they vote Labour rather than National, then making an arrangement with Craig is a net loss for National.

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  44. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    You’re making assertions absent any facts again Reid.

    You’re showing your usual ignorance about just about everything, Pete.

    A trend is normally at least 6 data points and that is in a single poll, not across polls, since the methodology varies between polls which renders comparisons pointless, unless you have a collation of all polls and take at least 6 of those.

    On the trust and like question, one notes Craig has scored an impressive 22.9 and 23.0 on those measures, which is not bad at all given the media desperation to paint him in a bad light and the fact he’s just getting going in politics. And of course one notes Dunne is nowhere to be seen. Isn’t that a shame for his supporters.

    Point being it doesnt matter if 90% of NZ dont like Craig, he only needs 5% to like him enough to give him the party tick.

    Colville you and I know this but I’m careful not to overload Pete with too many facts at once, it seems to make him do funny things.

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  45. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Fairfax Poll – Trust vs Like

    I am now going to ask you what you think of the different party leaders in terms of trusting and liking them…

    John Key – Trust 58.7%, Like 59.3%
    Metiria Turei – Trust 51.9%, Like 52.9%
    Russel Norman – Trust 49%, Like 49.1%
    David Cunliffe – Trust 46.1%, Like 44.5%
    Winston Peters – Trust 37.3%, Like 49.2%
    Colin Craig – Trust 22.9%, Like 23%
    Hone Harawira – Trust 19%, Like 23.2%
    Kim Dotcom – Trust 17.2%, Like 30.6%

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  46. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    As requested by P.G., die-hard UF supporter:

    John Key – Trust 20%, Like 80.0%
    Metiria Turei – Trust 0%, Like 0%
    Russel Norman – Trust 0%, Like 0%
    David Cunliffe – Trust 0%, Like 0%
    Winston Peters – Trust 0%, Like 0%
    Colin Craig – Trust 0%, Like 20%
    Hone Harawira – Trust 0%, Like 0%
    Kim Dotcom – Trust 0%, Like 0%
    Peter Dunne – Trust 0%, Like 0%

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  47. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    The mere fact that 37.3% of those surveyed trust Winston should raise a red flag.

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  48. RightNow (6,350 comments) says:

    Heh, just noticed on those trust/like stats that Cunliffe is the only one who people like less than they trust. It’s going to be really hard for him to change the fact that he’s an unlikeable arsehole.

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  49. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    the perception that he’s an arsehole.

    the perception?

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  50. Viking2 (10,746 comments) says:

    Keen for fishing.
    Have a look at this monster Black marlin.
    Caught off Maketu, Bay of Plenty.

    A snapper fishing adventure to Plate Island has ended with a record size catch for one Tauranga couple.

    Gary and Tana Krom were out fishing at Motunau off the coast from Maketu in the late afternoon when they unexpectedly hooked a feisty black marlin weighing in at 361.2 kilograms.
    - See more at: http://sunlive.co.nz/news/64837-mega-marlin-caught-at-motunau.html#sthash.WQMU7J4a.dpuf

    http://sunlive.co.nz/assets/images/site/Marlin-catch.jpg

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  51. Mrs Trellis (24 comments) says:

    The breathless blonde on TV1 news last night actually said “warrant of fitnesses”. Class :)

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  52. alwyn (359 comments) says:

    My day was made whan I tuned in to Morning Report today.
    I listened to that antiquated idiot “Sir” Geoffrey Palmer rabbiting on about the need to set up a Royal Commission on the Public Service. Presumably he hasn’t got a big enough income from the tax-payer trough and is volunteering to chair it.

    What made it truly funny was the statement that it should be held because “a Royal Commission is needed to establish some clear principles for the public service to adhere to”.

    How can he possibly say that with a straight face? This from the man who introduced the words “principles of the Treaty of Waitangi” into New Zealand law without making any attempt at all to make it clear what those principles were. Why doesn’t he hide his face in shame at that terrible act, which has left the whole country confused for the last 25 years?.

    It is time for “The greatest constitutional lawyer in New Zealand”, as the idiots from the Standard like to proclaim him, to drift away happily into the mists of his dotage.

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  53. ShawnLH (2,118 comments) says:

    Pete,

    “Do you disagree with poor political behaviour being challenged?”

    Not at all. I’m just having a dig.

    I think reid has made a valid point though, that Craig is doing better than some here like to claim. For a small and new party with a message that is very unpopular with the MSM and our liberal cultural elites he seems to me, in my purely subjective opinion, to be doing fairly well and heading towards Parliament.

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  54. jcuk (512 comments) says:

    The Tiwai Solution is obvious …. if the smelter closes then other industries using electricity should be encouraged to take up the load in the region. That is more sensible than wasting a good proportion of the power carrying it up the country to the Auckland area.
    It must surely be more ecconomical to transport finished goods than raw materials

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  55. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Interesting that 12% of those who Like Winston don’t Trust him.

    Trust Manolo 0% to make sense.

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  56. ShawnLH (2,118 comments) says:

    If Craig does have a fault it is that he does not seem to understand the connection between big government and social liberalism. Opposing asset sales and advocating binding referendum is not the answer to liberalism. And lets face it, despite the hysteria he invokes in secular liberals, including on this blog, his particular brand of conservatism is pretty conservative-lite. If he adopted more ACT style economic and welfare policies, opposed abortion far more strongly, and dropped the binding referendums policy I might be more inclined to vote for him.

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  57. igm (880 comments) says:

    alwyn: Geoffrey Palmer is to blame for the ruination of NZ society in general. He is a leeching, lying, criminal loving loser, who should be put out to pasture . . . in North Korea. He has done nothing but meddle in the affairs of every Kiwi in a usual left-wing, interfering manner expected of failed socialists.

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  58. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Not at all. I’m just having a dig.

    That’s hard to believe, you do far more than have a dig.

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  59. RightNow (6,350 comments) says:

    @reid 10:19am: sorry, I posted the comment, then thought it’s a fact not perception, so edited it :)

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  60. jcuk (512 comments) says:

    An after thought ….. I suppose electricity is a ‘finished goods’ compared to water?

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  61. jcuk (512 comments) says:

    I assume that Peter Dunne was not listed in the Fairfax Poll question – Trust vs Like ?

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  62. Than (376 comments) says:

    A trend is normally at least 6 data points and that is in a single poll, not across polls, since the methodology varies between polls which renders comparisons pointless, unless you have a collation of all polls and take at least 6 of those.

    Reasonable enough, although I’d add a requirement that the data points must represent a continuous time period (no cherry picking to skip months you don’t like). Given that definition, can you point to a poll where the Conservatives are trending up?

    Craig has scored an impressive 22.9 and 23.0

    Impressive? That word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Twice as many people like and trust Cunliffe (a guy you’ve described this morning as an arsehole) as Colin Craig. How can you possibly consider that impressive?

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  63. publicwatchdog (1,840 comments) says:

    FYI Kiwibloggers :)

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/kiwi-businesses-report-less-fraud-procurement-cons-affect-1-5-pwc-says-bd-152126#comment-646480

    (MY COMMENT – AWAITING PUBLICATION)

    Although the Serious Fraud Agency is purportedly the ‘lead’ agency to whom bribery and corruption complaints are supposed to be referred, in the first instance (according to a Memorandum of Understanding between the Police and SFO) – this is NOT based in statute.

    http://www.sfo.govt.nz/f232,17638/MOU_NZ_Police_and_SFO.pdf

    (Check out Schedule 6 – Bribery and Corruption).

    If you look at the NZ Serious Fraud Office Act 1990 – you will not find the words ‘bribery’ or ‘corruption’.

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1990/0051/latest/DLM210995.html

    It also doesn’t help when the SFO treats bribery and corruption complaints as ‘serious and complex fraud’ complaints, as I have experienced on more than one occasion.

    Perhaps this is a major reason why New Zealand is ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’?

    Hoe are alleged corruption offences even investigated – let alone prosecuted?

    Penny Bright

    (More background information is available on http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz)

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  64. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    I’ve shown that Craig is rarely polling better than his last election result.

    We’ll get a better idea of how well Craig is currently doing (it’s a long time until the election) this week, Roy Morgan is due and TVNZ have also been polling this week. My bet is that is related to him drawing attention to himself at the same time – so whatever poll result he gets could be flavoured by that.

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  65. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Morning Penny.

    Paid your rates yet?

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  66. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    jcuk – yes, that’s right, he wasn’t included which is very strange, especially with Dotcom being included and his party is only a proposal at this stage. How he might have rated would have been interesting.

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  67. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    Impressive? That word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Twice as many people like and trust Cunliffe (a guy you’ve described this morning as an arsehole) as Colin Craig. How can you possibly consider that impressive?

    Perhaps when you consider how long Craig has been in the game, and how vilified he is by the press, it is impressive.

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  68. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    Reasonable enough, although I’d add a requirement that the data points must represent a continuous time period (no cherry picking to skip months you don’t like).

    I didn’t mention the data points have to point in one direction, as well.

    Twice as many people like and trust Cunliffe (a guy you’ve described this morning as an arsehole) as Colin Craig. How can you possibly consider that impressive?

    Than are you being obtuse or disingenuous, I can’t tell. The answer is you compare apples with apples. Leaders of minor parties compete in a different race to the leaders of the major parties. That’s politics 101.

    Given that definition, can you point to a poll where the Conservatives are trending up?

    I probably could if I could be bothered but since I’d be driving google to find a polling company and laboriously tracking all the points since he first began, I simply can’t be bothered and if you want to dispute it, then go ahead and do that yourself.

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  69. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Point being it doesnt matter if 90% of NZ dont like Craig, he only needs 5% to like him enough to give him the party tick.

    Correct, but it’s not that simple. For example if 49.2% like Winston and 23% like Craig whose party has a better chance of making 5%?

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  70. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Given that definition, can you point to a poll where the Conservatives are trending up?

    I probably could if I could be bothered but since I’d be driving google to find a polling company and laboriously tracking all the points since he first began, I simply can’t be bothered and if you want to dispute it, then go ahead and do that yourself.

    So Reid is simply making things up again and can’t be bothered backing up his wild guesses.

    There’s more than enough data points here: Small party trends with Roy Morgan

    That shows that the first Roy Morgan since the election was higher than the CP election result, since then it has always been lower and it certainly doesn’t look like it’s trending up.

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  71. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    Pete George talking shit about us on twitter:

    PG : “@Garner_Live Not just Craig – his fan club on Kiwiblog cry and try and scratch your eyes out if you mention him on Kiwiblog (I quoted you).”

    Garner “@PeteDGeorge Religious zealots… My old man was right” – no correction from PG. Bruv – youre a religious zealot!

    Dime went on to call PG a piece of garbage as usual.. just find it funny how he bitches about us all over the show. Surprised he didnt call us wreckers & haters

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  72. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    Speaking of twitter, clare curran blocked me!

    apparently she didnt enjoy my astute summation of her tweets yesterday “youre full of shit”

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  73. Elaycee (4,089 comments) says:

    @dime: Wear it as a badge of honour. It’s hard to refute your summation…. Besides, what is she bleating about – did you leave out an apostrophe (or something equally important)? :)

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  74. Sofia (785 comments) says:

    big bruv – Morning Penny. Paid your rates yet?

    As has been mentioned before, the Auckland City Council through the courts now has an interest in the property in that it cannot be sold until the balance of rates due is paid.

    Meanwhile in the interests of transparency and “one law for all” this raises several points –
    • Penny Bright is being as truthful as John Banks in the image she presents of the situation.
    • Penny Bright can place the equivalent of the amount due in rates, into a bank account and earn interest on her unpaid rates which is an advantage that no one else, without this special ACC arrangement, cannot do.
    • Penny Bright earns part of her income from people who pay rent, a portion of which must therefore be proceeds from criminal activity [not paying rent – as recognised by the courts – and in effect stealing from the ACC]
    * The people’s Watchdog fails to point out the inefficiency of ACC ways, especially in not alerting the ACC to the fact that they should trespass her from portions of her own home.

    Viva la transparency, honesty and “one law for all”.

    Intended of course in a caring and helpful manner to make Penny’s day :-)

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  75. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    What utter bullshit: Dunne’s arselicker speaks ill of other KB people, and says so to his twitter audience!
    The feminist is not only quixotic but pathetic, too.

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  76. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “……Opposing asset sales and advocating binding referendum is not the answer to liberalism….”

    Binding referendum is:

    Firstly, Liberalism is nothing more than the person with the sharpest stick thinking that they are winning an arguement. However what arguement said and thought won by one person today, can be overturned by another person tommorrow. There are no boundrys here, as those who are argueing are not looking for an answer – just willing to continue an arguement. Even life itself under liberalism has no value. Abortion proves that.

    “All civil law will be legislated morality, in some sense infringing on someone’s freedom. The civil law does not aim to regenerate men but simply to restrain their outward behavior. Such laws are necessary to a social order, establishing the limits of liberty and the public standards to which all members of the community must conform…………..the simple truth is this: all governments must juggle the public good with individual liberty…..”

    The biological differance between contraception and abortion is homocide, as abortion WAS listed under the homocide Act. Biology hasn’t changed. Life begins BEFORE conception as everything needed already exists between a male and a female, as nothing more is added – life is simply passed on between two humans, and when that happens, ‘another’ homosapien is created. All biologists know that. They get taught that at university.

    Therfor, binding referrendum in the case of abortion and infanticide[child euthanasia] stops the decline of man into that of barbarians – for the public good. The limits of “individual liberty” end at contraception. The public good and individual liberty have then been balanced by the public and government for the public and individual good. Including the individual liberty of all following homosapians who have been already created – those in the womb.

    Liberal democratic government is then stopped in it’s decline into allowing what is currently happening under liberal democratic governments in Europe – child euthanasia – homocide – barbarism.

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  77. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Do you disagree with poor political behaviour being challenged?

    Like leaking stuff Pete?

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  78. EAD (324 comments) says:

    Today’s article from Paul Craig Roberts:

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/18/19371/

    I enjoyed this line:
    “Meanwhile Washington continues the pretense of America as the land of “freedom and democracy” and “concern for human rights,” blah-blah-blah. People all over the world, with the exception of the paid protesters in western Ukraine, are no longer listening to the bullshit flowing from Washington and its presstitute media.”

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  79. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    Really Pete?! you’re having a sook about us to Garner!

    I didn’t think I could think less of you but….

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  80. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    tdm – I don’t think it was a good decision by Key, he got pressured into the inquiry by Greens and Labour while he was in China and it turned into a mess. Leaks that are consequential perhaps should be challenged but the success rate for finding culprits is poor. Is it worth it? I doubt it. Do you think the inquiry was worth having?

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  81. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    So, It’s Key’s fault Dunne leaked?

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  82. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    No. Key initiated an inquiry that turned to custard for him, resulted in embarrassing resignations, and it failed to come close to proving who leaked.

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  83. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    dime

    What is twitter?

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  84. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    PG : “@dimenz76 @Garner_Live @ColinCraigNZ Funny. Hated by a handful of hissy fitting trolls.”

    Seriously dude. WTF

    You should join labour. You have their terminology down

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  85. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    Key initiated an inquiry that resulted in embarrassing resignations, and it failed to come close to proving who leaked.

    Embarrassing only to the fantasist leaker and nobody else.

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  86. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Dime

    If I join this twitter thing does that mean I can send Wussel Norman a message telling him I think he is a females front bum?

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  87. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    The bloke next to me just sent this link, if you in any way appreciate good guitar, check this out:

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  88. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Embarrassing only to:
    John Key
    Peter Dunne,
    David Henry and his helpers
    Geoff Thorn
    Parliamentary Services
    David Carter
    Winston Peters
    Andrea Vance

    And it could easily have been more embarrassing as there was a campaign to use it to bring down the National led Government.

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  89. Elaycee (4,089 comments) says:

    From the “Why Should This Be Our Problem?” file:

    Sydney based (Rotorua born) woman is caught with a joint in her bag, in Bali. Police search her villa. Then it turns to custard:

    Police carried out an “ambush” last week and reportedly found MDMA, marijuana and hashish at a villa in North Kuta where Leeza Tracey Ormsby, 37, was staying. The villa was searched after Ormsby was allegedly found with a joint in her bag.

    Now a lawyer who worked with convicted trafficker Shapelle Corby on her own case, is bleating because this woman could face the death penalty if charged with trafficking.

    Clearly the dopey bint didn’t join the dots: Bali / joint in her bag / local Laws / jail at best / death sentence if convicted of trafficking. And now there are calls by some lawyer for political intervention (whatever that means) because this dopey bint decided to break the Laws in a foreign country.

    Actions have consequences, so zero sympathy from this direction.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/9743223/Death-worst-case-scenario-for-Kiwi-found-with-drugs-in-Bali

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  90. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    Wise words from the NZ Herald editorial about the Colin Craig debacle,

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11205720

    Hopefully Collin will thoughtfully read and reflect on it before further idiocy unravels.

    And The Conservative is even closer to the bone,

    http://www.theconservative.co.nz/?q=node/684

    Wow.!

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  91. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    ciaron – social media is not a wee bubble of bitching on Kiwiblog. Many more people read here than comment and it’s common to see references to here elsewhere – more often than not it’s unfavourable for DPF’s reputation due to the action of others.

    Think about how, say, The Standard is talked about here. Kiwiblog is commented on similarly with derision and facepalms common. “Us” is widely scorned and laughed across social media – Facebook, Twitter and other blogs and forums.

    If you thought that you could have a wee grizzle here and jump on the bashwagon a bit and that was the end of it then you are out of touch with reality.

    Look on everything posted here as potentially on permanent public record.

    Dime thinks that abusing people anonymously on Twitter is a aport, but it’s not a game he can win, and there’s a chance it will bite hard on the bum.

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  92. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    PG

    “but it’s not a game he can win”

    Is that a bit like you standing for the possum head party time after time and failing miserably?

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  93. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    Bruv – that’s what i do! I like to remind him that he works for dot com :)

    Its also funny to watch PG tweet MP’s etc He speaks to them like hes actually a peer, in the game.. usually hes bitching about “haters & wreckers”. He makes a good point usually 1 out of 100 tweets.

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  94. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    Facebook just purchased whatsapp.. for 16 billion US.

    4 billion cash and 12 billion in their garbage stock.

    From memory whatsapp has 3-400 million users and makes about $40 a week in revenue..

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  95. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    There’s more than enough data points here: Small party trends with Roy Morgan

    That shows that the first Roy Morgan since the election was higher than the CP election result, since then it has always been lower and it certainly doesn’t look like it’s trending up.

    So what that shows Pete is the last 4 polls are starting to indicate a possible trend and two more in the same direction will confirm it. That’s the only thing I was talking about, just because you have six or more data points doesn’t mean anything, because a trend needs to be in the same direction, that’s why it’s called a trend and once a data point changes direction, you start all over again. Which means your hallucination that the previous election result has anything to do with the trend question exactly that – a deluded fantasy from a no-nothing fool.

    For a political analyst, you really don’t know anything at all, do you.

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  96. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    Dime finished House of Cards season 2 last night. What an awesome show.

    Frank is just a dirtbag. Cant recommend it highly enough

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  97. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Funny Reid – you’re cherry picking the number of points that suit your claim. And ignoring other polls. And ignoring the fact that those cherry picked results are all less then the CP election %.

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  98. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    @ Peter (9.32am) – I thought Politicheck sounded good too, until I learned that it is being run by a paid-up member of the Green Party. I guess that some parties will be checked more thoroughly than others.

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  99. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    He makes a good point usually 1 out of 100 tweets.

    And that’s very funny. See: https://twitter.com/dimenz76

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  100. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    KS – I don’t see that as a problem if there procedures are done right, facts are facts. As long as they respond to requests for fact checking across the board they should be good.

    All fact checking will be shown through a transparent process, open to the public, ready for scrutiny.

    And they’re looking for a number of volunteers, as long as they’re not all not leaning to any one party it should provide balance.

    If they are transparent it should work ok.

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  101. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    PG – the difference is im not trying to be part of the game. I use twitter to abuse politicians, talk cricket with nick and engage with porn stars, hookers and sexual deviants :) happy dime.

    If anyone is having trouble sleeping:

    https://twitter.com/PeteDGeorge

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  102. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Lol

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  103. Carlos (684 comments) says:

    Very interesting. A journalist gate-crashed a plutocratic function in New York. Worth a read to see what happened.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/02/i-crashed-a-wall-street-secret-society.html

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  104. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    dime

    If you are talking cricket with nickb then for fuck sake tell him that there is no such things as “batters” in the great game. They are called batsmen.

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  105. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    Pussy Riot subjected to deplorable thuggery and a mindless attack by Russian militia and police at Sochi,

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10649037/Pussy-Riot-attacked-with-whips-by-police-at-Sochi.html

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  106. Sofia (785 comments) says:

    Penny Bright, have you issued an invitation to Auckland’s Mayor to attend the Stand Down Brown Protest March Sat 22?
    Especially when he has been asked to stay away from the Howick Military Tattoo by Howick ward councillor Sharon Stewart.

    If you don’t invite him, you can’t ask by OIA why he declined to attend your rally, since it is all about him.

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  107. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    bruv – nick said youre nothing but a fair weather fan who only watches t20

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  108. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Bruv,

    That is highly sexist. I assume you don’t know the ICC has now mandated they be referred to as batspersons.

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  109. edhunter (435 comments) says:

    Re Blood Donating – emphasis on the donating, I’ve been giving for 20yrs but also like tattoo’s so every time I get some ink done I’m effectively on stand down for a year, all my tattoo’s are done by professionals but NZ Blood has rules so I abide by them off course I could lie & say no, but then that would be me being a selfish prick and making it about me instead of about the community, just as a gay person could lie, or someone who resided in GB for more than 6 months prior to 1995.

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  110. kowtow (6,734 comments) says:

    Pussy Riot breaking the law and getting a bit of rough justice……..shit happens.

    I note no one seems to give a shit about an APC and its crew being incinerated in Kiev.(cameras seem to stop as it lights up,we can’t have bad publicity for the anti Russian protestors can we)

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  111. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    @ big bruv – “batter” is the coating around a piece of fish from the local shark & tattie shop.

    Which reminds me of a true story. Rachel Heyhow-Flint was a former captain of the English women’s cricket team. She was once asked if female cricketers wore boxes, like the men do. “Oh yes” she replied. ” but we call them man-hole covers.”

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  112. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    Ed, I think there would be a few homosexuals that lie and do give blood. I do not know if any have been found to have a serious STD including HIV. In the case of HIV I do not think and have passed it on to recipient. However, it may have been detected and they would have been notified and the blood destroyed. This is the argument that these homosexual activists nutcases use saying that HIV and other STDs would be detected. Detection is improving but will probably never be perfect. Homosexuals have a rate of HIV at least 50 times greater that heterosexuals that is why they take a two pronged approach.

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  113. srylands (302 comments) says:

    Been watching (and trading a little) in Ipredict stocks:

    “There will be a National PM after the election”

    “There will be a labour PM after the election”

    https://www.ipredict.co.nz/app.php?do=contract_detail&contract=PM.2014.NATIONAL

    The price for National has risen steadily since about one month after Cunlifee became leader from 0.48 to 0.62.

    Quiz:

    Is this pricing trend more likely a result of:

    (a) rational traders making assessments of the election outcome; OR

    (b) right wing neoliberal economists manipulating the market for political reasons.

    Hint:

    Choose (a) if you are rational.

    Choose (b) if you are a regular contributor to The Standard.

    I did (briefly) explain that if one person was buying (or selling) irrationally, profit takers would rush in and the price would revert to a market assessment. But … no luck.

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  114. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    kowtow , you obviously care little about the rule of law whether in Kiev or Sochi.?
    And I think most people care a shit about the violence and deaths in the Ukraine and not exclusively you.
    Why do these kind of thuggish and brutal attacks in Sochi seem to appeal to you.?
    Whats the turn on. ?

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  115. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    Pete George (21,190 comments) says:
    February 20th, 2014 at 12:02 pm
    ciaron – social media is not a wee bubble of bitching on Kiwibl
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    What are trying to say Pete? I really don’t understand. Yesterday, you were saying Colin Craig needed to harden up a bit and not run off to the courts every time someone someone hurts his feelings (or words to that effect). Then today it appears you are the one having a whinge to your jurno (pffft.) mate Garner about yesterdays thread.

    QFT:
    PG : “@Garner_Live Not just Craig – his fan club on Kiwiblog cry and try and scratch your eyes out if you mention him on Kiwiblog (I quoted you).”

    FFS mate, if you have a problem leave it here on the field. Don’t go running off to twitter to slag some of us off like some pissy coward.

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  116. kowtow (6,734 comments) says:

    Pussy riot certainly don’t give a shit about the rule of law or respect for other peoples’ private property.

    Fuck ‘em and their idiot friends in the west.

    “What’s the turn on?” Fuck off.

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  117. edhunter (435 comments) says:

    But Stephie if the police hadn’t reacted the way they did, this would be a non-story & not what Pussy Riot or the gaggle of media in attendance would’ve wanted.
    Instead of “Pussy Riot attacked with whips by Police” the headline (if there was one) would be “6 Talentless nobodies prance in front of 6 people with cameras”

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  118. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    So radio lives new Political panel is Matt McCarten from the left and Deborah Coddington from the right.

    Who the fuck do they think they are kidding?????

    Coddington is a pure leftie, one who has been taken the cool aide when it comes to handing out our money to things Maori.

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  119. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    Bruv – she drives me nuts! WHen she has been on in the past, she will spout some centre left idea and willie will go “you righties are all the same” blah blah

    how on earth did she ever become an ACT mp?

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  120. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    Coddington is think as two short planks. When she was talking about what percent of the votes ACT would need to bring in another MP she said oh I think about 3%. She was an MP and does not have a bloody clue how MMP works.

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  121. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Ciarion – suggesting that nothing said here should go anywhere else is a bit gay. DPF discusses KB elsewhere, he’s active in Twitter and Facebook. I often see others mentioning stuff on KB.

    Maybe you’re the one who needs to harden up.

    In the real world of social media there’s not much that’s confined to one forum. I did a wee experiment this morning, I posted the same thing in a number of forums. So far KB is the only one where there have been pissy attacks and diversions by a few Craig Fans, despite the fact that I essentially supported and agreed with Colin Craig on something. It initiated adult debate in other places with no personal attacks. More on this in due course.

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  122. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    I just heard her claiming she is a trophy wife. It is nice to have self confidence but she would need to be 20 years younger to be considered a trophy wife.

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  123. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    “Ciarion – suggesting that nothing said here should go anywhere else is a bit gay” – homophobe.

    Ciarion – PG will never get it. Youre dealing with a dude who grew up with about 1 friend. His man card was never revoked because it was never issued :P

    PG – you didnt exactly correct duncan when he said “Religious zealots… My old man was right”. thats hardly how it is. id say about 15% are

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  124. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    Sorry Pete, if you have a problem with what someone has said and you choose to take that to another venue to denigrate them, that’s not adult conversation, that’s being a sniveling tool.

    I read and comment on other blogs, on other topics, but I have not and will not run off to tell other people, elsewhere; “Oh, that Pete George is just a nasty piece of work”

    that’s just being a dick.

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  125. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    big bruv , Deborah Coddington is well known for her support of ACT.
    I see, now that she’s left who do you define as right.?
    edhunter the issues are very simple.
    The right of peaceful protest or not.
    A right that is seriously diminishing in Putin’s Russia.
    But like kowtow , for you maybe the appeal of a police state is seductive one amongst the far right.i

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  126. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Dime, didn’t you remember the post on Imperator Fish? Good summary

    By night he is a harmless and mild-mannered man, but by day he takes on a new persona.

    A hero to many, Pete George patrols the nation’s blogsites, stifling any hint of strongly held opinion by laying down a solid suppressing fire of derailing comments.

    His tireless efforts in front of his computer have earned George the sobriquet The Beige Badger, as well as the gratitude of dozens of grey-haired, cardigan-wearing blog readers.

    To many people Pete George is a genuine superhero, keeping New Zealand’s blogsites focused on nothing much in particular.

    But George plays down any suggestion that he is a hero.

    “I’m just trying to stick up for the ordinary grey man,” he said.

    “There’s too much noise out there on the internet, and people need to take a deep breath, calm down, and do nothing.

    “I’m just out there doing what any man approaching old age and living a life of complacent and unexamined comfort would be doing, had he endless hours to while away reading blogsites.”

    George is famous for his ability to snuff out leftist conspiracies.

    Only a few days ago he exposed an ugly plot by left-wing bloggers to launch a concerted attack on all fronts on the nation’s farmers.

    One of the bloggers behind the plot, Scott Yorke, said George had put an end to his plans in no time.

    “We had all agreed during our weekly left-wing conspiracy meeting to launch simultaneous blog attacks on the hard-working and honest farming community. Martyn and I had the whole thing planned.

    “But we had barely fired off a couple of blogposts before the Beige Badger flew in and put a stop to everything.

    “A thousand curses upon the Beige Badger!” yelled Mr Yorke. “I will have my revenge!”

    But like all heroes, Pete George has a weakness. Superman had Kryptonite, and Pete George has The Standard.

    One mention of the popular leftist blogsite is enough to send the Dunedin man into an almost incontrollable frenzy, followed usually by a fainting fit.

    “That blog,” hisses George. “Please, don’t talk about that blog. Do you know they banned me? Why would they do that? What are they afraid of? Why are the left in this country so afraid of contrary opinions? It’s censorship! CENSORSHIP!”

    George begins to rail angrily against Lynn Prentice, and his eyes soon begin to roll. Within a few minutes he has passed out.

    But the Beige Badger is not inactive for very long. His comment-posting capacity is legendary, even if most of those comments are instantly forgettable.

    Some social media experts speculate that when future generations look back on the blogosphere and the reasons for its demise, they will find millions of Pete George comments and conclude that it died of boredom.

    However, the Beige Badger is not put off by such predictions.

    “I have a duty to sterilise all online political discourse in this country,” said George.

    “When people stop caring, stop believing, and stop trying, the grey men will have won. And what a glorious day that will be.”

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  127. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “……..“Us” is widely scorned and laughed across social media – Facebook, Twitter and other blogs and forums….”

    That’s because they don’t have anything constructive to say PG.

    Pro abortion. Pro euthanasia. Pro childless relationships. Pro drugs. Pro promiscurity & it’s partner – sexual diseases.

    They don’t foster life – so all they can talk about is what mainstream NZ society is not concerned about.

    It’s they who are irrelevent in political debate PG. And life in general. You know that.

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  128. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    Harriet on what factual basis do you claim that those you disagree with you are ,”Pro abortion. Pro euthanasia. Pro childless relationships. Pro drugs. Pro promiscurity & it’s partner – sexual diseases.. etc.?”

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  129. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    More on this in due course.

    Yes, poor old Pete’s been doing some sleuthing, and in his fevered hallucination he’s decided to cover up his shilling by pretending there’s a whole gaggle of Cwaig supporters who lurk here just waiting to pounce and defend their (in Pete’s fevered hallucination) hero. And he’s going to prove that by.. aha! – See?? !! He posted something complimentary at 8.06 which was (in Pete’s fevered hallucination) a plan so clever you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasle, which ABSOLUTELY BEYOND DOUBT proves (in Pete’s fevered hallucination) such a gaggle exists, because see? it was complimentary not critical, and STILL, the gaggle pounced!!!!

    !!!!! Duh duh da… !!!!!

    But hey don’t let me spoil Pete’s thunder, he’s probably been working on this post all last night and today, so let’s let the baby have his bottle, before we rip his fevered hallucination, known to Pete as “logic,” to pieces. Floor’s yours Pete. Launch away.

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  130. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “…..Harriet on what factual basis do you claim that those you disagree with you are ,”Pro abortion. Pro euthanasia. Pro childless relationships. Pro drugs. Pro promiscurity & it’s partner – sexual diseases.. etc.?”……”

    The Daily Blog.

    The Standard.

    Go tell QOT that siblings who find out that they have had a sibling who was aborted – also suffer from loss – and women are not informed about that.

    She wouldn’t put that up when I tried to raise it with her.

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  131. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    Harriet that is hardly factual.
    Try again.?

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  132. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    nick – thats fucking hilarious! first time ive seen it

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  133. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    ciaron – I think you’re the one being a dick. I didn’t “choose to take that to another venue”. I was on Twitter. Garner said something and I responded, as is normal there.

    It’s not as if I don’t address issues here, I often front up to anonymous cowards here who seem to think abuse is a sport. If you don’t think I call crap enough I could try and do it a bit more if that’s what you’re suggesting I should do.

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  134. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    If you don’t think I call crap enough I could try and do it a bit more if that’s what you’re suggesting I should do.

    I’m not sure if the blog could stand even more crap from you Pete. It’s hard enough to tolerate the amount that issues forth already.

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  135. Lucia Maria (1,996 comments) says:

    That Twitter exchange inspired me to leave a comment on Duncan Garner’s post.

    I normally ignore Twitter, even though I have an account. Being limited to however many characters reminds too much of the bad old more simple days of computer programming when database fields couldn’t go beyond 255. I just loved it when memo fields came in.

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  136. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    What are you on Pete; twitter is not kiwiblog. twitter simply is a different venue.
    How do you fail to understand that?

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  137. RichardX (292 comments) says:

    Harriet (3,612 comments) says:
    February 20th, 2014 at 11:14 am
    Life begins BEFORE conception as everything needed already exists between a male and a female, as nothing more is added – life is simply passed on between two humans, and when that happens, ‘another’ homosapien is created. All biologists know that. They get taught that at university

    I am astounded at the stupidity & ignorance of such a statement but not surprised given its source
    The rest of the post is poorly put together pseudo philosophical crap but to actually state that “Life begins BEFORE conception” is mind blowing even without the claim that all biologists know it because they get taught it at university. To conflate birth and ‘creation’ displays willful ignorance and an agenda unsupported by fact

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  138. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    A deluge of crap and bovine excrement has hit KB.
    It has been determined the source of the foul substance is Dunedin.

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  139. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Does anybody know how long the beige badger (AKA Pete George) has been a member of Kiwiblog?

    It has taken me over ten years to amass 12,000 comments, it seems that Pete has amassed 21,000 in about three years.

    We are so lucky that Pete has seen fit to grace us with his wisdom, where the hell would we be without his advice and leadership.

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  140. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    seemed like just yesterday PG hit 20,000 comments..

    Just checked, PG hit 20,000 comments Dec 3rd.

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  141. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    Dime,
    How did you find that out?

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  142. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9745291/Potential-world-beating-tuna-caught

    Recreationally caught bluefin is prohibited from commercial sale.

    Which is a shame because if you flew it to the Tokyo Fish Market it would probably fetch well over a million $NZ.

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  143. Fletch (5,727 comments) says:

    Good result.

    An Aussie software company, Cinematic Strings, that gives discounts to students (as do Adobe and other companies) initially refused to give a discount to an Israeli student because of politics. In the end they were forced to back down because of people’s angry comments and threats of boycott.

    This was their original emailed response to the student.

    “Hi Yossela,

    I am very, very sorry but I will not be able to provide you with a student discount. We support the BDS movement worldwide and the cultural boycott against Israel until Israel ceases its illegal settlement activities in the West Bank and ceases its discrimination against the Palestinian people. Please see this website for further information http://www.bdsmovement.net/activecamps/cultural-boycott.

    Please understand that this is not in any way directed at you personally and we have heard from many Israeli students who have been very sympathetic towards the Palestinian people. However we are fairly powerless here in Australia to act on behalf of the victims of oppression and so the BDS is the only way we can have a voice.
    We wish you all the best in your future musical endeavours.

    Kindest regards,

    Alex and the CS team.”

    http://www.israellycool.com/2014/02/19/cinematic-strings-of-jew-hatred-musical-bds/

    http://www.israellycool.com/2014/02/19/cinematic-strings-back-down-on-bds-against-israeli/

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  144. unpcnzcougar (51 comments) says:

    Today’s New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows National (48%, up 1%) increasing its lead over a potential Labour/ Greens alliance (42%, down 2%). Support for Key’s Coalition partners shows the Maori Party 0.5% (down 1%), ACT NZ (1%, up 1%) and United Future 0.5% (up 0.5%).

    Support for the Labour Party has fallen sharply to 30% (down 3%), while the Greens have risen to 12% (up 1%), New Zealand First 5.5% (up 1%), Mana Party 1% (unchanged), Conservative Party of NZ 1% (down 0.5%) and Internet Party (0.5%, unchanged) while support for Others is now 0% (unchanged).

    If a National Election were held now the latest New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows that National would be returned to power.

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  145. nasska (9,558 comments) says:

    …..”Conservative Party of NZ 1% (down 0.5%”…..

    Who says there isn’t a Good Fairy in the Sky!! :) :)

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  146. flash2846 (132 comments) says:

    Wow

    According to Duncan Garner 5:50pm today:

    David Cunliffe is not too popular again with the Labour party caucus.

    The “Anyone but Cunliffe” group has re-formed and the MPs are on a “go slow” expecting Cunliffe to lose the election when they will roll him. He won’t be rolled before the election.

    Garners sourses are 1 x sitting MP and 1 x former MP, plus others.

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  147. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    dime @ 4.22

    We note that you have just scored 5 thumbs up so far for that comment.

    Is there any other criteria by which one could garner how stupid some drongs are ?

    Fuckin pathetic, laughable

    i see you have managed 8414 comments.

    Where does that leave you ?

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  148. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Well. i see young nickb has chimed in on behalf of his mentor.

    Another thumbs noted. Big win in your mind nickb.

    Why don’t nickb and dime get a room. FFS

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  149. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    There was talk amongst journalists yesterday about notable gaps in Labour ranks in Parliament yesterday.

    @Garner_Live finished his show by saying some @nzlabour MP’s are worried by @DavidCunliffeMP’s performance GARNER: Labour MPs are worried about David Cunliffe’s performance – Audio

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  150. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    bereal it was in the context of how prolific Pete is and the relevant information was the date he hit 20000 so we could see how long it took him to add another 1100 almost 1200.

    So where do you get that info from? Thanks.

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  151. flash2846 (132 comments) says:

    Noted Pete; there are disinterested looks on the faces of the labour team in parliament when Shane Jones speaks as well. Given up maybe; or just frustrated at the constant barrage of lies and negativity from Cunliffe and Jones. Perhaps some of them have a conscience.

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  152. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Good to see you post that at TS unpcnzcougar, they can be a bity slow with unfavourable polls. Earlier this week they blamed Fairfax’s polling methods and always being high for National and flawed by not polling cellphones but Roy Morgan wlil be a major blow – a horrible trend for Labour.

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  153. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Reid,

    you wanna gauge correspondents by the number of comments in the shortest possible time
    then dime and young nickb would win hands down, no contest.

    How relevant are their comments ?

    Thats another subject.

    Thanks.

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  154. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    i just googled “pete george 20,000 kiwiblog”

    first result was this:

    20,000 | Your NZ
    yournz.org/2013/12/03/20000/‎
    I have just clocked up 20000 comments on Kiwiblog.Why? Because I … Kiwiblog 20000. Why? Because I … by Pete George on December 3, 2013

    i didnt click the link.. that seems like the right date though

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  155. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    bereal you angry drunk.

    you obviously havent died yet so one has to assume you are still eating shit? got a taste for it?

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  156. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    Thanks for nothing bereal, thanks for that dime.

    FYI bereal, I thought there might be a place on wordpress which had summary data such as karma, posts, etc. With the intention of doing precisely what you were saying. Duh.

    i didnt click the link..

    Good thinking dime, very wise.

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  157. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Yep.

    dime rises to his highest level @ 6.26

    Just fukin pathetic dime. “Eating shit.”

    Seems we are now talking your language.

    You saddo.

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  158. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    let it all out bereal. better you tee off on uncle dime than some poor person that lives with you.

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  159. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    What an utter knuckle dragging prog wasteland GD is today (someone had to say it).

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  160. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Jeez dime,

    you just get worser and worserer.
    Let me spell it out for you…….

    I just called you out for sinking down into the gutter with your comments but….

    You don’t even get it do you, you drong.

    Remember, ‘Eating shit.” your term.

    Talk about having to eat your own words.

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  161. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Reid, what’s your analysis of this: Roy Morgan – Conservative Party

    1.5 – Oct 28-Nov 10, 2013
    2.0 – Nov 11-24, 2013
    2.0 – Nov 25-Dec 8, 2013
    2.5 – Jan 6-19, 2014
    1.5 – Jan 20-Feb 2, 2014
    1.0 – Feb 3-16, 2014

    I think you said something yesterday about then continuing to grow their support.

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  162. nasska (9,558 comments) says:

    There must be some mistake PG…..I’m sure I read somewhere that Mr Craig was gathering support every time he opened his trap & shoved his foot in it.

    Then again…..maybe not. :)

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  163. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    Pete from that data I think it’s too early to tell but one thing’s for sure, he’s doing a remarkable job given the opposition he faces from almost the entire media and almost every politician, isn’t he.

    How’s Dunne doing? I bet he’s not doing very well at all. Let’s see his data, Pete.

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  164. nasska (9,558 comments) says:

    Reid

    If he becomes a bit more remarkable he’ll disappear out the back door. :)

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  165. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Ohariu’s looking ok Reid, Labour have announced their candidate, not surprisngly it’s a woman – Virginia Andersen.

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  166. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    Never mind, I just checked. It’s bad, it’s really really bad, isn’t it Pete. I mean, given Dunne is in Cabinet, he’s been an MP and Party Leader for all these years, and still all he can do is…

    0.5 – Oct 28-Nov 10, 2013
    0.5 – Nov 11-24, 2013
    ^ – Nov 25-Dec 8, 2013
    0.5 – Jan 6-19, 2014
    ^ – Jan 20-Feb 2, 2014
    0.5 – Feb 3-16, 2014

    ^ = result less than 0.5%

    Awwwwwww Pete. That’s really really really really sad for you and the lying philanderer, isn’t it. How does that make you feel? Desperate? Angry? That Craig is just gliding past, with no apparent effort whatsoever, while Dunne struggles and struggles and struggles and nothing works, nothing at all.

    Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

    Ohariu’s looking ok Reid, Labour have announced their candidate, not surprisngly it’s a woman – Virginia Andersen.

    Yes Pete, BUT WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT OHARIU, ARE WE. as you well know. See, if I’d done what you just did, you’d call me a liar, wouldn’t you. I bet your face is all beetroot right now, isn’t it.

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  167. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    It’s worth noting the Morgan polling period was February 3-16 which is up until Sunday so Craig might pick up something for his efforts this week, his legal threat was after this period.

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  168. nasska (9,558 comments) says:

    PG

    He can’t keep it up. To stop the CCCP from disappearing down the toilet he’s going to have to threaten to sue someone at least every three days for another nine months.

    Time to rehabilitate Graham Capill & get someone who knows how to grab a headline to front the party. :)

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  169. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    That’s normal for UF and I don’t care about it, not my problem – and no one is claiming they’re polling really well, nor claiming they’re trending up despite being too arrogant to bother to actually check any facts.

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  170. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    Pete, you’re acting like you want to scratch my eyes out, just like you complained others do to you, on twitter to Duncan today.

    Seriously, when a veteran politician whose in Cabinet no less with all of the advantages that longevity and seniority confers, consistently polls less than a half and often less even than a quarter than someone whose new on the block and who the media and most political competitors clearly hate, you have to conclude, from the data, that the former is a loser and the latter is a winner, there’s no other possible conclusion, from the data, is there.

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  171. Andrei (2,431 comments) says:

    Now here’s a scary thought P. Dunne has been in Parliament longer than many New Zealanders have been alive and has represented 4 different parties plus been an “independent” in that time.

    He reinvents himself every election, I guess, depending upon which way the wind is blowing.

    P. George with his fence sitting is a wonderful acolyte

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  172. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    After being such a know-it-all cock (that got it all wrong) you deserve getting something dished back.

    Who won something last election? Who outspent just about every other party and failed despite claiming the polls showed he would romp in?

    The only conclusion that’s worth worrying about is politics is about finding a way of succeeding and playing a part in Government. Polls don’t mean diddly-squat without resulting in something tangible.

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  173. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    Heres the thing about colin craig. he’s just a normal dude whos started up a party and he managed 2.5%? of the vote in the last election

    its quite impressive. the fact that he’s hung on and is still out polling other parties with sitting MP’s is also impressive.

    its not like he jumped ship like the maoris, united, hone, act, nzfirst, alliance, whatever anderton morphed into to start up.

    if he can win an electorate and learns how to do an interview then he could easily end up a player for years to come.

    its actually kinda nice to know that a single person can still get something up and running.

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  174. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    P. George with his fence sitting is a wonderful acolyte

    He would be Andrei if his mind didn’t resemble a Miguel de Cervantes novel.

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  175. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    “After being such a know-it-all cock (that got it all wrong) you deserve getting something dished back.” lol said PG?

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  176. cha (3,543 comments) says:

    Live stream from Kiev.

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/Y_LFrMcoEm4

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  177. Steve (North Shore) (4,330 comments) says:

    @Pete George,
    You are fast becoming as popular as Len Brown around here. Keep digging.
    As you said, “many read but do not comment” – that’s because they can’t stand your corksoaking to UF and whoring to your own blog.
    I just scroll down when I see a comment from Pete George, as I do with Penny Bright and other morons

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  178. Andrei (2,431 comments) says:

    I wonder who funds Espreso TV Cha?

    A nice shiny new TV channel from Ukraine that just happened to come into existence a few months ago

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  179. cha (3,543 comments) says:

    If you don’t like it Andrei here’s three more to choose from.

    http://feed.matthewkeys.net/cr1/

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  180. deadrightkev (182 comments) says:

    Dime

    In a nutshell you have pretty much summed Craig up and very accurately on a personal perspective as well. He does not have a self interested agenda like the other “leaders” of political parties. He is quite an enigma. I probably will vote Act for the party vote and CP for the candidate.

    Only a deeply patriotic Kiwi (or fool) concerned for his country puts his hand into his pocket for almost $2M. Contrast Craig to Dunne or Peters who have sucked off the teat of the taxpayer for their whole existence and repeatedly screwed us all over in the process. When did they ever put their money where there mouth is for the members?

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  181. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    After being such a know-it-all cock (that got it all wrong) you deserve getting something dished back.

    Well Pete, I’m waiting. Dish away. I assume you were talking to me. BTW, it’s not difficult to know more than you, that doesn’t mean I know everything, or think I do. I know to you, it must seem like that, but that’s because of the amount you don’t know Pete, rather than what I do, which is about average but by comparison to you, it must be very intimidating. I’m sorry about that, but until we have Vulcan Mind Meld technology, I can’t really help you.

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  182. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Now there is a stupid post.

    A fukin very stupid post

    “Only a patriotic Kiwi puts his hand into his pocket for $2 mill.”

    A very stupid post.

    Thankyou deadrightkev you drong.

    You fool.

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  183. cha (3,543 comments) says:

    A “requested” intervention huh – like Czechoslovakia in 1968?.

    “Russia and deputies of the State Duma are prepared to give all the necessary assistance should the fraternal Ukrainian people ask for it,” Leonid Slutsky said

    http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/719868

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  184. nasska (9,558 comments) says:

    A man walked into the local Chamber of Commerce of a small town,
    obviously desperate.

    Seeing someone at the counter, the stranger asks, “Is there a
    criminal lawyer in town?”

    “Why yes there is sir”, says the attendant,
    “but we haven’t been able to prove it yet!”

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  185. Andrei (2,431 comments) says:

    Did you happen to catch this Cha?

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  186. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    A “requested” intervention huh – like Czechoslovakia in 1968?.

    Depends whether you think it’s a grassroot uprising or yet another Soros special cha.

    Frankly these days, anything that defeats the evil ones is fine with me, even if it means Russia gets to invade Ukraine. Again.

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  187. cha (3,543 comments) says:

    the evil ones

    Let me guess, the Jews!.

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  188. chiz (1,095 comments) says:

    Reid, a useful idiot.

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  189. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    Let me guess, the Jews!.

    Close. They’re the people to whom Jesus was referring in Revelations 2:9 when he said through John:

    I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

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  190. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Garner on Cunliffe:

    The ABC Club, I am told, is back. The ABC Club is anyone but Cunliffe, they kept him out of the leadership and went for people like David Shearer who shouldn’t have even been on the front bench really let alone a leader. But they went with Shearer because no one wanted Cunliffe.

    The ABC Club is led by people like Trevor Mallard, I haven’t got a huge amount of time for Trevor any more, we’ve had a few scraps. Mallard’s in there, he’s a lifelong member. Annette King as well, it’s pretty fair to say she’s in there. Clayton Cosgrove. There’s a few others as well. Shearer.

    And they’re a bit unhappy so they’ve reformed again and are just having a bit of a chat about how poorly performing Mr Cunliffe has been this year.

    They’re not going to roll him. They’re just concerned he’s not delivering on his promises.

    I’m told that there’s a bit of a go slow. Some of the MPs and the staff have decided well he can lose the election and we’ll rol him straight after the election.

    A go slow, that’s what I’m told, they won’t roll him but they’re not working hard for him.

    More including full transcript: Garner – Labour MPs to lose the election then roll Cunliffe

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  191. Viking2 (10,746 comments) says:

    WOMEN’S REVENGE
    ‘Cash, check or charge?’ I asked, after folding items the woman wished to purchase.
    As she fumbled for her wallet, I noticed a remote control for a television set in her purse.
    ‘So, do you always carry your TV remote?’ I asked.
    ‘No,’ she replied, ‘but my husband refused to come shopping with me, and I figured this was the most evil thing I could do to him legally.’

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  192. Viking2 (10,746 comments) says:

    UNDERSTANDING WOMEN
    (A MAN’S PERSPECTIVE)
    I know I’m not going to understand women.
    I’ll never understand how you can take boiling hot wax,
    pour it onto your upper thigh, rip the hair out by the
    root,
    and still be afraid of a spider..

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  193. Viking2 (10,746 comments) says:

    CREATION
    A man said to his wife one day, ‘I don’t know how you can
    be
    so stupid and so beautiful all at the same time.
    ‘The wife responded, ‘Allow me to explain.
    God made me beautiful so you would be attracted to me;
    God made me stupid so I would be attracted to you!

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  194. Viking2 (10,746 comments) says:

    WHO DOES WHAT
    A man and his wife were having an argument about who
    should brew the coffee each morning.
    The wife said, ‘You should do it because you get up
    first,
    and then we don’t have to wait as long to get our coffee.
    The husband said, ‘You are in charge of cooking around
    here and
    you should do it, because that is your job, and I can
    just wait for my coffee.’
    Wife replies, ‘No, you should do it, and besides, it is
    in the Bible that the man should do the coffee.’
    Husband replies, ‘I can’t believe that, show me.’
    So she fetched the Bible, and opened the New Testament
    and showed him at the top of several pages, that it
    indeed says … ‘HEBREWS’

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  195. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=11206128

    Helen Milner gets what she deserves, lets hope she never gets out of jail.

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  196. RichardX (292 comments) says:

    Reid (14,922 comments) says:
    February 20th, 2014 at 10:55 am
    Given that definition, can you point to a poll where the Conservatives are trending up?

    I probably could if I could be bothered but since I’d be driving google to find a polling company and laboriously tracking all the points since he first began, I simply can’t be bothered and if you want to dispute it, then go ahead and do that yourself.

    Nice deflection Reid
    PG proves you wrong and so your narrative becomes how poorly UF is doing

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  197. cha (3,543 comments) says:

    The Final Member.

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  198. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    Nice deflection Reid
    PG proves you wrong and so your narrative becomes how poorly UF is doing

    My original post with the relevant word bolded.

    I think your first two traits are your own personal conclusions as I’m not aware of any polls that asked those particular questions and the important thing, as any pollster will tell is: what’s the trend.

    I think you’ll find it’s upward and I also think you’ll find, in stark contrast to Cunliffe, the more people see of Craig, the more they will like him, notwithstanding the media’s and the vested political interest’s increasingly desperate but across the board attempts to paint him as a looney misogynist.

    In other words – duh – I didn’t say it was, I said I thought it was, because I hadn’t looked at the data and until I know something for a fact I don’t state it as such.

    So there is in fact nothing to back down, nothing to apologise for, and the only idiots who hallucinate there is, are Pete and you, and Pete wouldn’t know reality if it was mugging him, and you seem to hate my guts for some reason which I don’t care about, so forgive me if I ignore your idiotic contributions most of the time, except when you accuse me of something I’m not guilty of. Like now.

    See Pete’s problem is he’s got no intuition, because he’s an idiot. So he’s got no gut feel of the political environment, he NEEDS data to tell him what is happening. I don’t and I never have. I can tell you what’s happening in the polls in general terms, simply by following the news. That doesn’t mean I know precisely exactly what every single point change is, duh, it means my intuition is reliable. And my intuition tells me Craig is trending upward and he is. You wait and see. But don’t bother citing a poll that says he’s only got 4 upward points in a row and that means it’s not a trend therefore I’m wrong, that’s Pete’s argument, but what Pete doesn’t know is, I’m talking about future months, that haven’t even been polled yet. You wait for them, then let’s analyse the trend, in say August. Then let’s have this discussion. Diary it, if you give a damn and you’ll have to remind me, because I don’t.

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  199. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    Reid, you are my favourite lunatic.

    From me, this is high praise.

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  200. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Harriet (3,612 comments) says:
    “……… February 20th, 2014 at 11:14 am
    Life begins BEFORE conception as everything needed already exists between a male and a female, as nothing more is added – life is simply passed on between two humans, and when that happens, ‘another’ homosapien is created. All biologists know that. They get taught that at university

    I am astounded at the stupidity & ignorance of such a statement but not surprised given its source
    The rest of the post is poorly put together pseudo philosophical crap but to actually state that “Life begins BEFORE conception” is mind blowing even without the claim that all biologists know it because they get taught it at university. To conflate birth and ‘creation’ displays willful ignorance and an agenda unsupported by fact…..”

    LOL.

    You are getting mixed up between ‘life’ and ‘creation’ Richard – all things that a new homosapien will have, ARE ALREADY ALIVE IN IT’S PARENTS TO BE – nothing new is created Richard as the contents of that new homosapien are already living. Life is passed on Richard – not created. Hence live has been created BEFORE conception and is simply passed on.

    Please tell us all about the new biological scientific discoveries that are continuously been found Richard that do not already currently exist in Homosapiens DNA Richard!

    It’s source is biology Richard. Re-read it. Nothing other than what the father and mother HAS is passed onto the new homosapien. Sure, to unscientific minds like yourself, you may suggest ‘food and water’ via the mother – but that doesn’t change the DNA structure ect that is already present in the new homosapien. Food and water just aids the development.

    Biologists know all this Richard. So too do religious people Richard as God CREATED all life.

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  201. cha (3,543 comments) says:

    Aaand .. .♪ every sperm is sacred … ♫

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  202. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Very funny. At some undetermined period in the future what you predicted was happening yesterday will happen, maybe, if nothing changes and it’s a full moon.

    Yesterday the polls were all good, now it’s “don’t bother citing a poll”. of course, Reid knows best, even better than Chris Trotter and his canaries in the Daily Blog coal mine..

    Canaries In A Coal Mine: Has The Daily Blog Poll anticipated Labour’s Collapse?

    BTW Reid what the polls are doing in August only matters if that’s when the election is. But you knew that tomorrow.

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  203. chiz (1,095 comments) says:

    Harriet:

    all things that a new homosapien will have, ARE ALREADY ALIVE IN IT’S PARENTS TO BE – nothing new is created Richard as the contents of that new homosapien are already living.

    Nothing new? What about the de novo mutations? They are, by definition, new.

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  204. Reid (15,604 comments) says:

    Very funny. At some undetermined period in the future what you predicted was happening yesterday will happen, maybe, if nothing changes and it’s a full moon.

    Pete, I know you’re so useless at politics you can’t predict anything at all. This doesn’t mean everyone is.

    BTW Reid what the polls are doing in August only matters if that’s when the election is.

    No I’m picking November for the election myself, Pete. I said August simply because that’ll give us some time for the media to settle down from their rabid hatred and assess his real substance based on his policy platform and feed that into the public who will then respond and we’ll see what’s happening. In others words, a good time to assess his possibility. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the election date. You just can’t get anything right, can you Pete.

    BTW, when are you going to give us your big reveal, as you alluded to in your 8:42 and your 2:33? Not that I care, lest you misinterpret yet again something I’m saying. I’m just mildly curious to know whether or not I got it right in my 3:12. That was another prediction, you see.

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  205. SPC (4,679 comments) says:

    Harriet,

    Life once created evolves, it evolves so much that in the end there are many different kinds amongst the living, and different varieties of the same kind that can no longer breed with each other.

    So when the bible says that humanity was created in their our image, male and female, what can that actually mean?

    That living kinds would be of the type that breed offspring in the image of both parents? That this was the way that life was created to be?

    So what does “in their our image” mean.

    1. That of the living kinds there would be one that was dominant enough to presume it was the one in the image of God and had right to be agent of God in dominion on the Earth.
    2. of these humans there would be those who were on thrones and who would claim their throne was an agent of a god on the earth – and they as kings, were sons of a god (example after their deaths Romulus and Julius Caesar were called gods and their sons ruled as sons of a god).
    3. but of those thrones there could only be one that would outgrow all the other empires before it and cover the entire earth. Either by force via the sword and mammon or via some gospel call to the world to give up their own throne and take up another throne as their own.

    Or that God was not alone … and could not do it without a woman. And only a co-creator of life could be the one that could be bride of God and one who birthed in the spirit.

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  206. SPC (4,679 comments) says:

    Viking2,

    CREATION
    A man , a son of God said to his wife one day, ‘I don’t know how you can
    be so stupid and so beautiful all at the same time.
    ‘The wife, a daughter of Goddess responded, ‘Allow me to explain.
    Goddess made me beautiful so you would be attracted to me;
    Goddess also made me dependent on you to have children, so I have to agree to let you act on your desire, even though I know you and know better.

    So now I am like a Goddess, the bride of God and have no choice but to be with the creation of a God to have children. When I can find a solution to this problem I will have served Goddess well. So while I allow my subjugation so that the Goddess can have grandchildren, one day there will be women scientists and they will grow in knowledge in how to serve Goddess. Bless be the Earth when feminists build their world throne for the daughter of Goddess faith.

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  207. RightNow (6,350 comments) says:

    More business for hookers then SPC

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  208. SPC (4,679 comments) says:

    Right Now, when two women can have a child in their our image (without recourse to the donation of each others brothers seed) … yeah more men will be delivering more seed into condoms and less men seed into their wives than now. And more marriages will be consummated in the presence of a G vibe than now.

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  209. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Irony of the day, Reid: “lest you misinterpret yet again something I’m saying.”

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  210. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    O’Reilly is right on the money about AGW: http://video.foxnews.com/v/3228580402001/the-climate-change-strategy/#sp=show-clips

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  211. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    The poor buggers are honest as expected: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8802776/motorists-raid-overturned-beer-truck-in-minutes

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  212. Viking2 (10,746 comments) says:

    Average 30-year US mortgage rate up to 4.33 pct
    4:15 AM Friday Feb 21, 2014

    WASHINGTON (AP) Average U.S. rates on fixed mortgages rose this week but remained near historically low levels.

    Mortgage buyer Freddie Mac says the average rate for the 30-year loan increased to 4.33 percent from 4.28 percent last week. The average for the 15-year mortgage edged up to 3.35 percent from 3.33 percent.

    Mortgage rates have risen about a full percentage point since hitting record lows roughly a year ago. The increase was driven by speculation that the Federal Reserve would reduce its $85 billion-a-month bond purchases. Deeming the economy to be gaining strength, the Fed proceeded last month with planned reductions of its bond purchases, which have helped keep long-term interest rates low.

    The housing market is expected to deliver another year of solid gains, helped by an improving economy.

    ==============================

    Hmmm. Makes our banking system look like thieves.

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