General Debate 26 February 2014

February 26th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Chuck Bird (4,880 comments) says:

    Below is an article by a man hating Feminazi. They would not publish my comment. I have included a comment from one of her crazy supporters and highlighted an example of she thinks a man should ask for sex. What is wrong with would you like me to kiss your belly button – from the inside?

    Rape & consent: ‘Yes means yes’
    CLEMENTINE FORD
    Last updated 09:31 25/02/2014

    A SLUTWALKER: An activst in the SlutWalk London 2012 demonstrates against victim-blaming in cases of rape. The global SlutWalk campaign was formed following the international outcry after a police officer in Toronto, Canada addressing students in January 2011 said that in order to avoid being raped ‘women should avoid dressing like sluts’.

    A SLUTWALKER: An activst in the SlutWalk London 2012 demonstrates against victim-blaming in cases of rape. The global SlutWalk campaign was formed following the international outcry after a police officer in Toronto, Canada addressing students in January 2011 said that in order to avoid being raped ‘women should avoid dressing like sluts’.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/9760453/Rape-consent-Yes-means-yes#comments

    Michelle Hsieh5 hours ago
    It’s simple. Neither said yes. Both were incapable of consent. Gender shouldn’t be an issue. The problem is, let’s say, if one party was sober and convinced the drunk person to give consent, then that’s rape.
    Yes, one must give consent to a person to have sex, every time. For instance, being married doesn’t give anyone the right to force someone else to have sex. But by then, most of the time, people learn to ask for it.

    It’s easy to ask for sex, you don’t have to do the whole: “Oh, can I have sex with you” all the time, try: “Hmm, I’m feeling something right now, maybe we should head upstairs and reacquaint our most intimate body parts?” or if you coerced the other party into the mood: “I really want to take you right now, would you let me take you?”. Spice it up a little. Consensual sex should be fun, and there should be a yes from the other party, even if you have been married for years. Plus, it excites the other party to know that you actually care about them enough to ask them if they want what you’re forcing on them. Otherwise, it is a little bit rapey.

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  2. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    McCarten heading up Cunliffe’s offices?

    Just don’t let him near the finances.

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  3. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    In an odd introduction to a profile of Lynn Prentice and The Standard Stop Press says:

    As would be expected in the highly partisan world of political writing, much of the left-leaning content on The Standard has invoked the ire of several commentators on the right, including Cameron Slater and David Farrar.

    The ire is more often reversed, as lprent does yesterday, as well as self praise and referring to all of authors, commenters and readers at The standard as intelligent (some are).

    Lynn Prentice sells The Standard

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  4. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    As if having Martyn Bradbury hitch his wagon to David Cunliffe wasn’t bad enough, there’s now speculation that either Matt McCarten or Greg Presland will be announced as Cunliffe’s new Chief of Staff. Interestingly though, there’s no word on whether McCarten will have any responsibility for Labour’s tax policy…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/02/first-bradbury-now-mccarten.html

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  5. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    See Labour are recruiting disgusting, dishonest, and tax dodging McCarten. He will fit in well with deviants and losers in the rainbow room, being another failed socialist with a yearning for a piece of swill at the taxpayers’ trough, he never being a taxpayer.

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  6. hj (6,991 comments) says:

    Draft Residential Chapter [Richer under National]
    Where and how people live in our District (incorporating Christchurch City and banks Peninsula) is changing. Since September 2010, many people have been displaced from their homes due to the impact of the Christchurch Earthquakes, and in parts of the city -such as the eastern suburbs- much of the residential building stock has been either lost or damaged.
    ……
    You were mentioning [spinning actually] “central government imperatives”; Is population growth a central government imperative?

    “Well we need population growth to grow the economy and increase wealth and we have immigration… so I suppose it is.”

    Someone rudely pointed out that it was all to benefit property investors and developers.

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  7. BeaB (2,123 comments) says:

    Has anyone told us how much our winter Olympic team cost us so they could ‘have fun’ and ‘meet heaps of new people’?
    Am I alone in thinking the Olympics are just another excuse for a small elite to enjoy themselves at our expanse?

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  8. Nukuleka (325 comments) says:

    Can anyone in the know shed some light on what is happening to the post earthquake City Plan for Christchurch. Many of us were under the impression that the City Council in conjunction with the Government were to be purchasing central city land in order to effect the much trumpeted City Plan. Yet all over the central city there are billboards advertising prime land for sale. If privately owned land is being sold into the hands of private developers how can the City Plan become a reality?

    It has been suggested that, because Gerry Brownlee isn’t much of an avid reader and therefore doesn’t deal with his paperwork particularly quickly or efficiently, there is a general feeling of inactivity and lack of purpose in forwarding the post earthquake development. It’s more or less stalled.

    Any knowledgeable comments?

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  9. Tauhei Notts (1,711 comments) says:

    As an accountant I am frequently told that accountants know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
    I know the value of having a New Zealand team cavorting about Sochi and “meeting” heaps of people.
    Now I want to know the cost, to New Zealand taxpayers, of that romp. Can anybody help with that information?

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  10. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    @BeaB: High Performance Sport NZ gave $6.8 Million for NZ to compete at Sochi.

    The team consisted of 15 athletes and 31 (yes, 31!) support personnel….

    With the New Zealand Olympic Committee confirming 15 Kiwi athletes are bound for Sochi, also on their way are 31 members of support staff, administrators and assistants. Performance-related staff includes a crew of eight coaches, two wax technicians, four medical staff and a sport psychologist.

    Clearly there is nothing wrong with the ‘facilities’ in NZ – after all, the Austrian, Swiss and German Ski Teams train here in NZ during the Northern Summer.

    Says it all, really…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/9651575/More-suits-than-stars-in-Sochi-for-New-Zealand

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  11. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    Beab
    You are not alone, unfortunately. There are many people who have not the foggiest idea how hard these kids have worked from an early age and what they do to their bodies but who are prepared to condemn on the strength of a 10 second clip on the news.

    If half of NZ had their work ethic this country would be unstoppable.

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  12. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Any knowledgeable comments?

    Ha! This is the internet! :-)

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  13. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    @ Sochi, to be fair it isn’t just about meeting people. There is also ludicrous amounts of sex. Any idea how many condoms get handed out at olympics for athletes?

    This on the London games:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2175783/The-raunchiest-Olympics-Record-150-000-condoms-handed-athletes-London-Games–thats-15-EACH.html

    And before you say 15 each, thats not so many… remember that includes athletes like Nadzeya Ostapchuk who was probably not getting lucky, regardless of her “gold medal.”

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  14. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    Can anyone in the know shed some light on what is happening to the post earthquake City Plan for Christchurch. Many of us were under the impression that the City Council in conjunction with the Government were to be purchasing central city land in order to effect the much trumpeted City Plan. Yet all over the central city there are billboards advertising prime land for sale. If privately owned land is being sold into the hands of private developers how can the City Plan become a reality?

    Talk to you Democratically elected leader(s) about that

    The Israelis can get a team in an out of CHCH in 14 hrs with one phone call

    On Day 1

    Anyone going to rebuild fix the Cathedral?

    I am sure your real concerns and queries will be addressed in record time

    let the world know how you are get on

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  15. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    As if having Martyn Bradbury hitch his wagon to David Cunliffe wasn’t bad enough

    As if having Slater tie his blubber to the PM wasn’t bad enough

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  16. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Winston Peters has questioned whether John Key can read the mind of the NZ First caucus and party members. And the minds of voters. Key doesn’t need to, he only needs to read Winston’s speeches and read his accusations (of course there will be no evidence to read about).

    And Winston keeps avoiding letting voters know of his post-election intent, claiming he has to wait until the voters have their say at the election. But just as it is now Peters won’t be able to read voters minds after the election. Not that that matters, he will do as he pleases anyway.

    The obvious reading of Winston’s mind is the attempting to work with him his a fools errand.

    Reading Winston’s mind.

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  17. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Did anyone else hear Mike Hosking interviewing Geoff Bertrum ( Vic University) on the electricity industry this morning? The guy was so confused you’d think Hosking was asking some sort of trick questions. The questions were simple straight forward but it got Bertrum trying to explain the Labour/Greens single buyer model by talking about economic rents for the water used in hydro. Then he tried to say their was still competition even if there was a single buyer. To think he is a senior analyst in a University policy unit — but it might explain where Norman and co get their weird ideas from.

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  18. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    @itstricky: As if having Slater tie his blubber to the PM wasn’t bad enough

    Given the relative levels of support between PM John Key and Cunliffe et al, perhaps your hero should also be in touch with Slater….

    Sorted.

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  19. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    The health promotion coordinator ,Southland,Cancer society,in a letter to the ODT has today called for submissions to parliament on the Tobacco Plain Packaging amendment bill.

    In the letter New Zealand is referred to as Aotearoa twice, while no mention is made of New Zealand as such.

    While this legislation is an attack on private property rights the letter itself is an attack on New Zealands’ Anglo Saxon culture and history.

    As such the Cancer Society is acting as an agent against mainstream New Zealand and conservatives should not support organisations who hold such philosophies.

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  20. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    Has anyone told us how much our winter Olympic team cost us so they could ‘have fun’ and ‘meet heaps of new people’?
    Am I alone in thinking the Olympics are just another excuse for a small elite to enjoy themselves at our expanse?

    Elite? Do you mean dedicated enough to push themselves and sacrafice other things to get to the top tier of their chosen sport? And getting very little recourse for it? Well yes if that’s what you are talking about I am sure they deserve it.

    Possibly more than you will attain given your obviously grumpy tired old ‘don’t you know I am a tax payer’ attitude.

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  21. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    There were invoices from Hodgie but Mayor Cull doesn’t look to be on top of the issue .

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/293103/cull-clarifies-comments-payments-hodgson

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  22. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    Elyacee – didn’t say he was my hero just that the blubber-key relationship is just as ucky and dodgy. I challenge KS to do a partisan blog article on that one. But nice comment – thumbs up

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  23. Carlos (683 comments) says:

    Help me out guys. Wouldn’t a flat tax rate without loopholes mean that everyone pays the same percentage of tax on their income? I thought that whether you earn $50,000 or a million dollars you would both be taxed the same e.g. 20%.
    This editorial in the Herald seems to disagree:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11209807

    “The flat tax idea involves the applying of one tax rate to everyone regardless of income. It is advocated on the grounds of simplicity, fairness, transparency and economic growth. Gone would be deductions, loopholes and tax shelters. There are several thorns in that rosy picture, however. In practice, a flat tax has a greater impact on low and middle-income earners because they pay much more tax proportionate to their income. This has led to the concept being condemned as a ploy to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.”

    Surely the writer was trying to say that lower income people would have less disposable income. We know the solution to this is to increase your income, so what’s the problem?

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  24. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    I think many people were quite shocked by what they heard.

    Much of the contact is anonymous. People use fake names and hide behind their keyboards. A friend of mine calls them ‘keyboard cowards’ and I think that’s quite an apt term.

    I’ve had my fair share of abuse as well.

    The attacks via twitter that followed were awful. One that sticks in my mind is the woman who tweeted me and said I deserved to die.

    I’ve received messages that are too vile to write about here, but most are triggered by those who feel strongly about one political party or the other. I can’t post the most abusive feedback.

    For others, it can wear you down, it can make you think about what you do and why you do it, and it can make you worry about who’s living in our communities – so much anger, so much hatred.

    The sad reality is that there’s no way to stop it. Not at the moment.

    But at the moment, technology is developing at a far greater pace than the checks and balances that should be in place to protect people. Maybe in the future that might change. But I don’t think we should hold our breath.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/shows/earlyedition/highlights/rachel-smalley-26feb2014

    Those comments could apply to many situations (read the link for specifics).

    We shouldn’t hold our breath. Those who care should do something about it, confront bullying and abusive behaviour, and take the fight to the online thugs.

    Most people are decent people. If enough of them speak up they will show that the abusers are a small (albeit loud) minority that can be overcome.

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  25. Paulus (2,626 comments) says:

    From listening to Cunliffe yesterday I distinctly believe that he has chucked in the towel for the incoming election, but is working for the 2017 election whereby he will not have to do deals with the Greens – he hopes.
    Sadly a once good left Party, Labour, has now been decimated by factions – Rainbow, Women, Teachers, and never not having lived off the public purse, Unionists.
    It is now controlled by the Unions in effect, and that will destroy the present Labour.
    Get a New Labour Parry with a balance – but that’ s not possible, as labour voters are so factionalised that they could never get an agreement.

    Good to see Labour/Green trolls now entering this blogsite from the Standard (which is fun to see the lefties and factions – they hate each other).

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  26. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    Olympic athletes.

    Sure they work hard,are the best at what they do blah blah.

    That doesn’t mean that tax and rate payers have to be driven into even further debt to build the venues (never to be fully used again) in order to subsidise the athletes themselves , politicians ,property developers, Olympic officials ,etc to live the lifestyles that they have become accustomed to at our expense.

    All part of the debt merry go round that the world has descended into.

    The Emperor has no clothes and it seems we don’t really care.

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  27. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    @ itstricky – John Key is a big boy, and doesn’t need me to tell him the rights and wrongs of talking to Cameron Slater. But given that Bradbury has had paid roles with the Mana Party and Internet Party in recent months, neither have which have ended well, you’d have to question Cunliffe’s judgment on allowing Labour’s brand to be associated with Bradbury’s unique style of political vitriol. After all, did you see the outrage from all those Labour types at The Standard when Slater outed McCarten as Dotcom’s master strategist?

    Is the Labour Party taking over the Mana Party, or has Mana captured the Labour Party?

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  28. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Cunliffe seems to have taken a crash course in PR presentation but talks in far too many cliches. In the RNZ interview he talked a number of times about packagaing policies. He comes across too much now as a carefully packaged politician.

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  29. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Do we know if that kiwi chick managed to bang the jamican bob sled team?

    We shouldnt be sending anyone to the winter olympics.

    Half the people we send to the summer games shouldnt be going either. but hey, it makes the masses feel good and provides jobs for the boys and trips for mps.

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  30. Longknives (4,737 comments) says:

    “The idea that we are drowning in a sea of falsely accused men (who are then all falsely imprisoned) is, well, false. So too is the idea that a rape accusation will destroy a young man’s career”

    Chuck Bird- I have posted on Kiwiblog before about a guy I know who was the innocent victim of a false rape complaint. It shattered him, destroyed his career and destroyed his life- many years later he is a mere shadow of the guy I used to know. Pretty much a recluse, the stigma follows him everywhere…
    Despite what this rabid man hater is claiming false complaints are a VERY serious problem. As far as I am concerned the lying scum who would do this to another person deserve jail time.

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  31. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    If it happened at all ,I doubt the kiwi chick would have banged the jamaicans……..

    If anything the Marleyans would have banged whatever passes for her brain out her ears .

    And like Mike Tyson wouldn’t have gentlemanly seen her to the lobby with a thank you and a taxi home!

    Oh well if nothing else ,she’s provided the best man with lots of material for the wedding speech.I hope her parents have a good sense of humour and thick skin.

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  32. gander (91 comments) says:

    Carlos (681 comments) says:
    February 26th, 2014 at 9:05 am
    Help me out guys. Wouldn’t a flat tax rate without loopholes mean that everyone pays the same percentage of tax on their income? I thought that whether you earn $50,000 or a million dollars you would both be taxed the same e.g. 20%.
    . . .
    In practice, a flat tax has a greater impact on low and middle-income earners because they pay much more tax proportionate to their income. This has led to the concept being condemned as a ploy to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.”
    . . .
    Surely the writer was trying to say that lower income people would have less disposable income.

    I agree with you and thought of putting a comment on the Herald’s page, but the editorialist would probably retort that once you accounted for consumption taxes the lower income earner would likely pay a higher proportion of his income as tax.

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  33. Tauhei Notts (1,711 comments) says:

    Elaycee at 8.35;
    Thank you.

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  34. BeaB (2,123 comments) says:

    Great. A taxpayer-funded junket to the tune of nearly $7 million for a small group of sportspeople and a bunch of hangers-on.

    I don’t care how hard they work at the sport they are keen on. I don’t mind how many events they go to ‘ to have fun’ and ‘meet heaps of new people’.

    I just don’t see why my family should stump up for them to do it, especially when they are clearly not ‘world class’.

    We make a song and dance about lots of other government expenditure we find it hard to see the point of. How come these guys get a free pass?

    Mind you if itstricky’s argument is the best that can be said in its favour, enough said!

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  35. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Bitcoin seems to be in a spot of bother.

    Wonder which govt agency took it out…

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  36. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    Oh look ,another day ,another outrage from the religion of peace.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/02/nigeria-children-killed-attack-school-2014225144133150291.html

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  37. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    I think the new Commiioner of Police Mike Bush has gone far enough in issuing an apology to Arthur Alan Thomas. His brother Des Thomas feels he should apologize in person.Mike Bush said his comments about Bruce Hutton were said in the context of a private funeral but concedes he needed to be more cicumspect in his comments.
    Remarks made in an otherwise unblemished 35 year career in the force.
    Time to move on Des and Arthur.
    Sadly for Rochelle Crewe there is still no closure over the murder of parents despite the promise of a number of media and other pundits.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11209857

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  38. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    What is the latest on Lecher Len and Slobcom? Hope these scumbags are not getting put out to pasture and left alone. In both instances, the mongrels must go. Maybe media have gone into bat for them again, after all, McCarten is a mate of Little, Little controls the unions, and unions control media.

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  39. hj (6,991 comments) says:

    Pete George (21,307 comments) says:
    You’ll be trying to claw some support from NZ First (3.6%?) for UF (0.3%)?
    ….
    Edit 4.4 to point one percent.
    .1% = 1 in a thousand?.

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  40. hj (6,991 comments) says:

    The name Boko Haram means “Western education is forbidden”

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/02/nigeria-children-killed-attack-school-2014225144133150291.html
    That sounds like the Greens?

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  41. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    LATEST LEN BROWN UPDATE:

    26 February 2014

    Graham McCready

    9:04 AM (2 hours ago)

    The Auckland Electoral Officer confirmed yesterday to Grace Haden the former Police Prosecutor that her complaint of a $750,000 election donation fraud has been referred to the Police for investigation.

    Len Brown now finds himself in the same position as John Banks in 2012. That police investigation led eventually by way of a private prosecution to hi committal to trial in the High Court.

    Again if the Police do not prosecute the New Zealand Private Prosecution Service will.

    The Len Brown election allegation may be coupled with a Police investigation for money laundering the donations through the New Auckland Council Trust

    Graham McCready

    Prosecutor for NZPPS Ltd

    …………………….

    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

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  42. hj (6,991 comments) says:

    The Rt Honourable Sir Winston Peters on Direct Democracy

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  43. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    @hj

    Pete George (21,307 comments) says:
    You’ll be trying to claw some support from NZ First (3.6%?) for UF (0.3%)?

    I didn’t say that. I presume you are saying it but you’ve made it look like a quote by me. It’s not.

    And if it is a question to me, I haven’t made any commitment to what I’ll try and do this year. I’m currently not involved in anything apart from my own personal activities and am considering how I can try and achieve my priorities.

    One thing I’ve done is have a good look at Direct Democracy and while there are some significant improvements possible I think DD via referendum has limited benefits and is unnecessary for most of it.

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  44. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Those who care should do something about it, confront bullying and abusive behaviour, and take the fight to the online thugs.

    What we may be discovering is that when people are given the opportunity to voice all those thoughts that used to be left unsaid, all of a sudden it appears that most people are utter morons.

    Welcome to the human race.

    Personally I think the answer is to ignore it. I mean if you try to deal with it you get a fresh batch coming through every day who hallucinate their every thought is worth sharing with the world so what are you going to do, spend all your time trying to educate them?

    I also think sometimes people hallucinate abuse is happening when really it’s simply disagreement with their moronic proposition. It’s probably best to ignore those types as well.

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  45. dirty harry (483 comments) says:

    heh..loser

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9766091/Mans-run-from-law-ends-with-broken-ankles

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  46. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    MEDIA ALERT: ‘Len Brown – Stand Down Coalition’ PROTEST:
    Auckland Mayor Len Brown is certainly NOT ‘New Zealander of the Year!’

    According to the following Auckland Mayoral Office Media Advisory, Len Brown is to attend the Kiwibank ‘New Zealander of the Year’ award, to be held at the Auckland Langham Hotel, (83 Symonds Street, Grafton) tonight, at 7pm.

    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/SiteCollectionDocuments/aboutcouncil/mayorelectedrepresentatives/mayordiary20140224.pdf

    ” Wednesday 26 February

    7pm Kiwibank New Zealander of the Year”
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    “Members of the ‘Len Brown – Stand Down’ coalition and supporters, will be holding a colourful protest outside the Langholm Hotel, from 6pm.

    https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?ie=UTF-8&q=The+Langham&fb=1&gl=nz&hq=Map+Langham+Hotel+Auckland&cid=17989029583253604632&ei=dyUNU-OhLueciAfHq4BQ&ved=0CPoBEPwSMAs

    The attendance of Mayor Len Brown at this event, is a disgrace.
    We believe that he is not fit for duty, and should resign forthwith,” says coalition Spokesperson Dick Cuthbert.

    “The pressure on Mayor Len Brown to stand down, has significantly increased with today’s news that a complaint to the Electoral Office, alleging electoral fraud against Len Brown, has been handed over to the Police for investigation,” says coalition member, anti-corruption campaigner, Penny Bright.

    Penny Bright …………………..

    Dick Cuthbert ………………….
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    BACKGROUND INFORMATION

    26 February 2014

    Graham McCready

    The Auckland Electoral Officer confirmed yesterday to Grace Haden the former Police Prosecutor that her complaint of a $750,000 election donation fraud has been referred to the Police for investigation.

    Len Brown now finds himself in the same position as John Banks in 2012. That police investigation led eventually by way of a private prosecution to hi(s) committal to trial in the High Court.

    Again if the Police do not prosecute the New Zealand Private Prosecution Service will.

    The Len Brown election allegation may be coupled with a Police investigation for money laundering the donations through the New Auckland Council Trust

    Graham McCready

    Prosecutor for NZPPS Ltd

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  47. Manolo (13,746 comments) says:

    For the “delicate” stephieboy, lover of all things Fox News: http://www.deadline.com/2014/02/february-cable-news-numbers-fnc-logs-146th-consecutive-win-cnn-tumbles-msnbc-hangs-on/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Meanwhile, Fox News Channel has now reached 146 consecutive months at No. 1 in total viewers, in both total day and primetime, among cable news networks, and is for February the only cable network up in both total viewers and the demo compared to last February.

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  48. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (344 comments) says:

    A number of members of ethnic communities are angry that former mayoral mistress Bevan Chuang has reapplied for her advisory role with the Auckland Council … Chuang confirmed that she had reapplied for the role.

    Have those – reputedly much of the Chinese community – opposing Chuang’s reappointment voiced a similar opinion regarding Len Brown staying on as Mayor?

    And, is Len Brown going to receive the Royal Party in the up-coming tour, or will Auckland be subtly left out of the itinerary?

    Michael Vukcevic does not apparently has certain attributes his CV suggested he did. He is gone.
    Len Brown presented an Election image of up-standing family man, but after a majority voted on at image they suddenly find he is a rather incompetent adulterer – where’s the difference?

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  49. stephieboy (3,013 comments) says:

    Manolo , is Fox News ratings for infotainment or Propoganda.?.The two alone will explain it’s ratings for the gullible and poorly informed like you.
    Am not sure what currently is the highest rating comedy on the US networks but answers will lie there too.
    Meanwhile the crazy info and news tainment continues,

    http://www.alternet.org/media/7-craziest-fox-news-attacks-against-its-critics

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  50. DJP6-25 (1,387 comments) says:

    Paulus 9.05 am. Perhaps over time the ‘left’ will shrink to it’s natural size. Then power will shift to a contest between Classical Liberals and Conservatives. Expect this to happen when ‘peak OPM’ has been reached. It’ll take time. The situation would be something like that prevailing in the UK from about 1840-1906.

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  51. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    DON’T LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT!

    Bible stops two bullets to save life of Ohio bus driver, police say:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/02/24/bible-stops-two-bullets-to-save-life-ohio-bus-driver-police-say/

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  52. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    stephiegirl

    “Manolo , is Fox News ratings for infotainment or Propoganda”

    For news.

    If you want mindless propaganda for the gullible check out Alternet.

    Oh wait, you already have….. :)

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  53. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    – John Key is a big boy, and doesn’t need me to tell him the rights and wrongs of talking to Cameron

    KS – and yet you seem to like to tell others what they should do. Is that because you care about Labour or just because you like flinging mud at them?

    For my money The Prime Minister of New Zealand chatting with a known antagonist ex editor of a classy truthful publication with a Page 3 girl who likes to call accidentally dead kids ‘a bonus’ and then cries when people talk back to him is much better People magazine fodder than an Opposition Leader who talks to a couple of politically oriented antagonists who have some dead affiliations to small parties that the rest of the country don’t care about that much.

    If you want some hits on your blog that’s the angle I think you should take. All partisan, of course. Up for the challenge?. But, hey, now I am telling you what to do so I’ll shut my trap.

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  54. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Why does Real Me ID require that you have a cell phone – is accepting your location being tracked by your cell phone a requirement for government recognised ID?

    And meanwhile in the private sector, eftpos cards being replaced by debit cards enables who (and in what foreign country) to do what more easily …

    Why not just pass a law requiring everyone to have photo ID/bank card with them at all times and have a location tracker embedded in it and be honest about what power established government wants to have.

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  55. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “But, hey, now I am telling you what to do so I’ll shut my trap.”

    Thank you. The rest of us are very grateful.

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  56. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Meanwhile we are all familiar with the apparent restraint on surveillance of the public – by limiting evidence in court cases to that gathered legally. This of course never prevented surveillance of anyone, just restricted use of the information within the legal process. More recently police have been given the right to use information from anonymous informers in court cases, so information gathered without a warrant can now enter the court process as information received from an anonymous informer.

    Since 9/11 – and after television such as 24 (where being able to get information illegally was vital to protect the public from some terrorist threat) we have seen the state grab more and more power to itself (sometimes faster than legislative authority allowed) and thus without the public knowing about it. The rationale was that the growing power held by the state was better kept secret lest the terrorists were aware of it – or the public resisted acceptance of this.

    Given this, one wonders about technology development and capacity in various fields and how lack of public knowledge of its capacity can be utilised to enable further state capacity to develop without legislative restraint.

    For example we know about the capacity to track cell phones in use/turned on – is there also capacity to track cell phones not in use/turned off that we do not know about yet? Etc etc.

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  57. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    The rest of us are very grateful.

    Said like a good little collectivist.

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  58. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    cha,

    and how am I a collectivist?

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  59. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    Here is what I actually believe, politically.

    “The individual person has the self-evident, God-given rights of life, liberty, and property. These rights are best exercised in a capitalist-libertarian, Stateless society. However, this does not mean that a form of government and authority is not required. For any civilized culture, order must be maintained, and thus, authority is indispensable. But it is essential to understand that there is a difference between the State and authority, and how authority is natural and good, whereas the State is evil and unnecessary. Natural government and authority only has one purpose: to secure these individual rights. Acceptable forms of a minimalist government, as laid down by such intellectual giants as Aristotle and St. Thomas Aquinas, include traditional monarchies, aristocracies, and republics. The plan envisioned by the Anti-Federalist Founding Fathers, in which the rule of law is bound upon a Constitutional republican confederation in which there is a strictly limited, weak, and anti-centralistic federal government alongside weakened, yet sovereign, independent states (in the colonial American sense), with respect for jury nullification, peaceful secession, and of Natural Law, is possibly the best man-made governmental system ever devised. Regardless of the form of government, the objective of good government should be to promote the common good, individualism, liberty, order, and free markets.

    This synthesis of anarcho-capitalism with respect for monarchism, Christianity, traditionalist values, and proper authority is what I call ‘Anarcho-Monarchism.’ It is an anti-collectivist, anti-democratic, anti-statist, anti-nationalist, and anti-totalitarian, conservative-libertarian Rightist movement that stresses tradition, responsibility, liberty, virtue, localism, capitalism, civil society and classical federalism, along with familial, religious, regional, and Western identity. It celebrates in the diversity that God has created among man, and believes in the maxim of ‘Universal Rights, Locally Enforced.'”

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  60. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    ShawnLH,

    Well its not that libertarian or anarchist to discuss the Russia – Ukraine issue as you did yesterday. Ask Rand Paul if you do not understand why.

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  61. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “Well its not that libertarian or anarchist to discuss the Russia – Ukraine issue as you did yesterday.”

    Why? Opposing the absorption of the Ukraine into Russia’s big-government Russian empire is not opposite to libertarianism. Of course I would prefer they were not absorbed into the EU either, but reality is sometimes a matter of having to choose the lesser of evils. Libertarians have a variety of opinions on Just War. Rand Paul does not speak for all libertarians.

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  62. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    Here is what I actually believe, politically.

    tldr version: neo- fascist.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100255944/the-dark-enlightenment-is-more-sad-than-neo-fascist-scary/

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  63. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Shawn, you indicated support for the USA confronting Russia militarily in the Ukraine matter. Is that the global throne of a western Christendom super power/monarchist side of the equation.

    And Ukraine Russian ties are no more subordination than Ukraine EU ties would be.

    What just (legal) war? Self defence or via UN recognised collective security may qualify. But Russia and China would UNSC veto action by NATO.

    Any objective observation would note the inherent fracture within Ukraine that would occur if it chose the EU option, given the Crimea is part of historic Russia and the eastern areas of the Ukraine include Russian speaking areas.

    Ukraine cannot go it alone, so it either straddles both (in the tradition of the Khazar kingdom of the past) or it chooses to fragment.

    The only just path is to preserve the peace while this is decided on. That means the people decide with respect for each other, not the gun. And that does not mean the majority of Ukraine get to impose on the minority their western preference, if they choose that they should do so knowing that it means giving Crimea and the east separation from the Ukraine that chooses the EU.

    We have learnt that much from the break up of Yugoslavia, let borders be decided by plebiscite not proxy groups of armed thugs.

    Maybe the EU and USA and Russia can agree to take over a third of Ukraine’s historic debt when the new arrangements begin.

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  64. edhunter (546 comments) says:

    Not sure why I’m even giving this story oxygen apart from being another positive story of our religion of peace
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/9766323/Katy-Perrys-Dark-Horse-video-angers-Muslims
    Fuck’em christians have had to put up with with all sort of shit from “artisits” for years the Muzzy’s need to learn to build a bridge, we need to learn to ignore them.

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  65. Duxton (651 comments) says:

    Agreed, edhunter. I used to see Katy Perry simply as a hot chick: now I see her as a hot chick who can successfully wind up the muzzos!

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  66. Rowan (2,309 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/9766672/Israel-Dagg-ditched-by-Crusaders-for-Blues-game

    Todd, agreed changes were needed after the dud round one performance against the Chiefs but would have to disagree with some of your odd-ball selections here, a back 3 of Slade, Rob Thompson and Nafi Tuitavake does not pose much of a threat to any opposition or give me confidence in your side.

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  67. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    edhunter

    It’s not called the religion of perpetual outrage for no reason.

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  68. Manolo (13,746 comments) says:

    The secret files of two big-time crooks: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/clinton-white-house-library-records-103959.html

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  69. Steve (North Shore) (4,560 comments) says:

    Pete George @ 8.09.
    Can you give it a rest from comments about that shithouse blog and Linda please.
    Who gives a fuck about Linda. Post that shit on your own blog and also stop whoring to your blog with the links.
    I am sure many here feel the same – Linda and the strandard are not worth a tin of shit.

    End of rant – not my blog – sorry about that chief

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  70. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Quite a lot of people follow links Steve, blogging is built on linking. As I said to you yesterday at WO when you through a similar hissy, just ignore what doesn’t interest you. If you want a blog with your own rules and restrictions you should know what to do about it.

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  71. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    I’m not sure that this sort of thing will help ACT.

    Act Leader Jamie Whyte stands by incest comments

    New Act Leader Jamie Whyte is standing by his comments that incestuous relationships between consenting adults should not be illegal and says it would be “intellectually corrupt” of him not to be honest when asked such questions.

    In an article published on The Ruminator website, former philosophy lecturer Dr Whyte was asked whether the state should intervene if adult siblings wanted to marry each other.

    “Well personally, I don’t think they [the State] should”, he replied, adding it was “a matter of almost no significance because it just doesn’t happen”.

    Dr Whyte told the Herald his response was based on his belief that: “I don’t think the state should intervene in consensual adult sex or marriage, but there are two very important elements here – consensual and adult”.

    “I wonder who does believe the state should intervene in consensual adult acts?”

    He said he was “very opposed” to incest.

    “I find it very distasteful I don’t know why anybody would do it but it’s a question of principle about whether or not people ought to interfere with actions that do no harm to third parties just because they personally wouldn’t do it.”

    Putting principle ahead of pragmatism may cause him some problems.

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  72. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Re ACT’s Mr Black and Whyte on incest as per Pete George’s 6.54 post.

    Well that’s another three votes from Sad Sacks for ACT!

    Libertarians are in control, and they have SFA following among NZ voters.

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  73. kowtow (8,439 comments) says:

    Incest OK?

    I won’t hold my breath waiting for the braying pack who attack every utterance from Colin Craig to start braying about this.

    Contrails nuts ,motherfuckers OK?

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  74. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    A priest and a rabbi walked into a bar. After sitting down, ordering, and some chit chat the priest said “Have you noticed there are no women in this bar?” He then realised the truth “I think we’re in a gay bar”. A man approached and tried to flirt with the priest. The priest was dumbfounded and didn’t know what to do. The rabbi leaned over and whispered something in the man’s ear. The man nodded and walked off. The relieved priest said “Thanks, what did you tell him?” The rabbi replied “I just told him we’re on our honeymoon”.

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  75. nasska (11,478 comments) says:

    ….”“I wonder who does believe the state should intervene in consensual adult acts?”

    He said he was “very opposed” to incest.”……

    To the casual observer Dr Whyte seems like the sort of bloke who believes in individual freedom even when he is personally opposed to the act.

    Unlike the Conservonutters who spout crap about individual responsibility while insisting that the state imposes religious standards & morals on society.

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  76. Steve (North Shore) (4,560 comments) says:

    Pete.
    “Quite a lot of people follow links Steve, blogging is built on linking. As I said to you yesterday at WO when you through a similar hissy, just ignore what doesn’t interest you. If you want a blog with your own rules and restrictions you should know what to do about it.”
    “Threw” not “through”
    And I know exactly what to do about it, tell you that you hijack this Kiwiblog to get commentors to your Blog – because you get a free ride. United Future is just that – piggy back ride that becomes a pain in the back.
    Up your game man – there is an Election on, how about some UF policies instead of what others are doing?
    What are the Policies of United Future? please do tell us Pete

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  77. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    That’s got nothing to do with me Steve. You could try looking up their website, that’s what most people do looking for party policies.

    I tend to post comments on things that I’m interested in or involved in. And I don’t try and tell others a) to stop doing things here and b) what they should comment on. That’s their business.

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  78. Manolo (13,746 comments) says:

    Education as understood by the savage followers of the religion of peace:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/25/us-nigeria-violence-idUSBREA1O1I920140225

    Gunmen from Islamist group Boko Haram shot or burned to death 59 pupils in a boarding school in northeast Nigeria overnight, a hospital official and security forces said on Tuesday.

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  79. Steve (North Shore) (4,560 comments) says:

    Never delete that comment you made @ 8.18pm Pete.
    Back you go, sit on the fence again – watch the world and use Kiwiblog.
    (b) what they should comment on. ffs Pete that’s why you whore them to your Blog, so you can give them the UF version.
    You are a fence sitter that tries to influence the silly little monority – how you doing? 0.3%

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  80. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    You have no idea what I do and are making shit up Steve. You’re looking silly.

    See NBR: http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/nz-politics-daily-year-blogsters-bd-152433
    Or NZH: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11210282

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  81. Left Right and Centre (2,975 comments) says:

    Overnight GD…..

    Urban decay:

    (1) CBD litterbin – planks of wood; sticking out of the two holes – horizontal to ground. At least four. Good one.

    (2) Stout St Wellington – car pulls out of space – heads the wrong way – it’s one way – to lights at Stout / Whitmore. Who are these people ?

    (3) (i) People throwing rubbish out of vehicle, (ii) driving one handed with a ciggie in the other.

    (4) Myself: Vehicle breaks down – have to fix punctured tyre on standby transport bicycle and then get to where I’m going with only a pathetic flashing white light on the back – wrong colour, no front light. Will get new front and back time permitting. Fucking roadlice – ARRRRRRRRGHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!

    I did stop for some traffic lights at least. Some. The sequencing is stupid and mindless so eventually you give up and start ‘making your own luck’ with the fucking dumb lights. EG: Oooo – red light. That’s nice. There’s nothing in the other street FFS !!

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  82. Nukuleka (325 comments) says:

    ‘Act’s leader is standing by his comments that incestuous relationships between consenting adults should not be illegal, even though he is “very opposed” to it.’

    Oh dear! Jamie Whyte’s going to have to learn when and where to keep his mouth shut, stupid bugger.

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  83. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Matt McCarten’s appointment as Labour leader David Cunliffe’s chief of staff has reawakened a longstanding rift – former Progressives leader Jim Anderton has withdrawn his help for Labour in this year’s election campaign.

    Perhaps Cunnliffe is more cunning than we thought.
    First Labour leader to get rid of the countries biggest trougher..

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11210501

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  84. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    ‘Act’s leader is standing by his comments that incestuous relationships between consenting adults should not be illegal, even though he is “very opposed” to it.’

    Oh dear! Jamie Whyte’s going to have to learn when and where to keep his mouth shut, stupid bugger.
    ==========================================

    Who the fuck cares other than those that moralize.
    Know two very happy adults who started their teen life that way, went their separate ways and 25 years later got back together.
    The female of the two married and became trapped in a very abusive relationship until she found the courage to leave. Never for one moment expecting the unexpected. Returned to NZ and 4 years later began life again.

    So don’t judge others.

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  85. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    “And Ukraine Russian ties are no more subordination than Ukraine EU ties would be.”

    That statement is just dumb. Does the EU go around poisoning or imprisoning political opponents? There is a lot about the EU I don’t like, but it is not remotely the equivalent of Putin’s regime.

    “What just (legal) war?”

    Just War is not about UN laws, but about justice. Wars in defense of life, liberty and property are just, regardless of the UN.

    “Any objective observation would note the inherent fracture within Ukraine that would occur if it chose the EU option, given the Crimea is part of historic Russia and the eastern areas of the Ukraine include Russian speaking areas.”

    That would be a good thing.

    “The only just path is to preserve the peace while this is decided on. That means the people decide with respect for each other, not the gun.”

    Ah yes, the Neville Chamberlain approach. “Peace in our time.” How did that work out?

    “We have learnt that much from the break up of Yugoslavia, let borders be decided by plebiscite not proxy groups of armed thugs.”

    Are you seriously that naive? Do you really think Russia is going to allow that, or any other “plebiscite” that is opposed to it’s empire building? Keeping the armed thugs out of it means keeping Russia out of it, by force if necessary.

    You seem to have ignored the fact that my point was that IF Russia looks to use military force against the Ukraine we should defend it. Until then I’m happy to leave the Ukraine to sort things out by themselves. But doing nothing if Russia tries to use force is not a viable option, morally or pragmatically.

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  86. ShawnLH (4,998 comments) says:

    Steve,

    does a link on a web page that your not being forced to click on really disturb you that much? Take a chill pill. I find other people providing links to articles useful, and nobody is forced to click them.

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  87. ciaron (1,431 comments) says:

    Shawn, there is a difference between providing supportive links and link-whoring.

    just sayin’…

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