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We have been established for over 44 years and have been pleasing and displeasing customers ever since. We have made money and lost money suffered the effects of Govt control GST + bad payers. We have been cursed and discussed, messed about lied to, robbed & swindled. The only reason we stay in business is to see what happens next.
– Hand written sign as seen on office window of shop ‘Porirua Cycle & Mower Centre’ in Wellington.
(’44’ years is printed on a little sticker. It’s the kind of place where you’d find an easy-going dog wandering about and a distinct lack of committee meetings to determine the shop layout etc)
Matt McCarten’s appointment as David Cunliffe’s chief of staff is a sign of a coming together of Labour and the Mana Movement. Is it just by McCarten shifting from one party to the other? Or has some sort of co-operative deal between the parties been worked out?
Some insignificant dickhead buys some medals and pretends to be a war vet. So Stuff nominates him public enemy number one and publishes a clear photo of him prominently displayed as the lead story on their website.
With all this talk in recent days of social media bullying it seems mainstream media didn’t want to miss out on the action. The arseholes better hope he doesn’t top himself.
Does anyone else think it possible that Cunliffe had (very) little influence in the selection process and that McCarten was parachuted into the COS role at the insistence of the Union faction within Labour? And against Cunliffe’s wishes?
When the appointment was announced to the cameras yesterday, it was obvious Cunliffe had swallowed a dead rat when he spoke about McCarten. And McCarten’s own demeanour suggested the feeling was mutual.
Scott Chris- The guy was speaking at Schools and Public Forums pretending to be a war hero. That’s pretty twisted behaviour and in my opinion quite worthy of publicity and scorn!
Are the media in PC little New Zealand not allowed to print anything negative about anyone anymore? Just because one old socialite (who had courted/craved tabloid publicity her whole life)strung herself up?
Given his background, is it in fact possible that Mr. McCarten may fancy himself as a future leader of the Labour party? Moles come in various shapes, and knowledge of the ‘way things actually work’ could assist in future plans – especially as he does have a reputation as being very ambitious. Being the leader of a major political party (as opposed to the ‘rats and mice’ he is currently involved-with) would definitely seem to be the sort of goal he would be aiming for.
3News understands Tony Ryall told his electorate about retirement plans last night – feels he’s achieved a lot, time to move on.
That would be a significant loss to National.
But if it’s true that along with quite a number of other National MP retirements means that if National stays in after this year’s election they will be able to present as a refreshed and different Government.
Tony Ryall has been an outstanding performer for National, the lack of any controversial articles on health in the media and that the opposition has been able to land so little blows on a usually very political area speaks volumes.
I see the McCarten appointment as a sign that Cun*liffe is lurching further left and will attempt to take on / take out! the gweens.
I suppose he is of the oppinion that he cannot fight a war with enemy on both sides so will take out the weaker one first.
So there could be some real fireworks in the upcomming months if DC is trying to shove Wussel back into his gimp box where he belongs.
Sure sign tho that Labour have , internally anyways, raised the white flag WRT the 14 election as they will turn off vast hordes of centerist voters who either will vote blue or not vote at all.
With Matt’s appointment, Labour is either away with the fairies or considers it can bring more of the apathetic potential far left voters on board (it does not particularly matter whether they vote Labour, Greens or Mana).
The only feasible the latter could be done is to think outside the square with campaigning techniques – that is using all the tricks that protest movements have used. So Matt would identify a few populist points and stir up protests for or against them. He has access to plenty of unemployed, low paid workers and students for this. So what if meetings are disrupted, people arrested or property damaged, or electoral law broken. Matt knows enforcement of electoral law is a joke so it does not matter if the campaign operates in breach of the law. The occupation of 41 Pipitea Street could be a good start.
They could succeed in making John Key look a total idiot and he could be powerless to do anything about it within the confines of decent campaigning and electoral law. So Stephen Joyce will need to take this into account when mapping out National’s campaign.
It would be. It’s hard to believe how health has been kept out of the headlines virtually since he started. It’s become a non-issue and that’s the first and only time since the 1980’s that’s ever happened.
They could succeed in making John Key look a total idiot and he could be powerless to do anything about it within the confines of decent campaigning and electoral law.
Liarbore is not fringe, so if they do what you predict peter they’re risking their reputation as a serious player. For that reason I’m not sure I agree but you’re right, Matt has the background to do that if he wanted to.
Thanks for making the connection Colville. Aside from the obvious, there’s been something about him that has been bugging me because I just couldn’t quite put my finger on it. But you’re right and that’s exactly what it was.
As they say, Texas is a state where it is impossible to bribe a politician, just so long as you call it a campaign contribution. The home builders hope to profit by persuading politicians to attract or create new (low wage) jobs, and new business investments, which of course would expand the market for new homes. All this while opposing any limits or regulations on growth, and while expecting local taxes on current residents to provide the roads — and now water — needed for development.
Whenever climate science, environmental considerations, or legal reform get in the way of making money on land development, the Texas bankers, developers, and land speculators know how to play to win. Since the Texas constitution was written mainly by and for the landed gentry of Texas after the Civil War, this legacy means that Texas landowners have “property rights” — meaning the right to develop almost anything in the untaxed, unincorporated suburban areas outside a central city.
There is the prospect of making billions of dollars from suburban sprawl land development surrounding the major metropolitan areas where most Texans now live. Natural limits to growth? Any limits on land development come as bad news and have always been strongly opposed by the well-organized, well-funded Texas growth lobby. The big money in Texas is largely made through selling and developing raw land for ever-expanding rings of suburban sprawl growth that surround its big metropolitan areas.
Austin is now in the midst of a highly profitable Austin-area growth boom, Climate change denial prevails through most state agencies (although the state climatologist believes that climate change is real). The politicians who make the rules outrank the scientists no matter how good the science, or how urgent the scientific warnings.
In Texas, climate science is considered subversive because it tells the politicians stuff they would rather deny. When Gov. Rick Perry was running for president he made his climate change denial very clear. Perry considers global warming a scientific hoax.
Carlos, whatever it is now (I don’t think Maori are hard left) that may be about to change.
Cunliffe recently talked up a relationship between Labour and NZ First. He has now cemented a strong connection between Labour and Mana. This may be deliberately designed to shut out the Maori Party and in particular to squeeze the Greens.
Winston won’t want to work with the Greens, and Labour won’t want Winston to go with National.
Are Labour lining up a Labour/Mana/NZ First grouping and are the hoping to shut Greens out or at least relegate them to i significant?
Paul Henry’s introduction of McCarten on last night’s programme included a comment referring to the Unite Union owing the IRD money. When McCarten responded the first thing he said was that he wanted to correct Henry on that point. He said the Union did not owe any money to the IRD and that it was in surplus. Sadly, Henry did not pursue the point. Am I right in thinking the IRD debt was not the Union’s but from an associated organisation called Unite Support Services?
If so, then I hope Henry will make this clear as soon as possible.
A co-founder of Greenpeace told lawmakers there is no evidence man is contributing to climate change, and said he left the group when it became more interested in politics than the environment.
Patrick Moore, a Canadian ecologist and business consultant who was a member of Greenpeace from 1971-86, told members of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee environmental groups like the one he helped establish use faulty computer models and scare tactics in promoting claims man-made gases are heating up the planet.
Oh come on dime. The guy clearly showed a lack of political nous but his point of principal was that the state should not have a role in governing relationships between consenting adults. Naturally the media took it to the extreme and reported the incest angle.
Well, even “Gentleman Jim” has hacked a track, McCarten is really stamping his authority on New Labour!
Has anything been done about removing both Lecher Len and Slobcom? Too much stuffing around with these losers, costing ratepayers and taxpayers both megabucks and sanity.
No wonder the Nats are worried. And no wonder right-wing zealots on Kiwiblog and elsewhere are staining their underwear in anxiety. They fully understand the implications of Matt’s new role and influence in this year’s election. This is a serious (excuse the cliche) game-changer.
This is a serious (excuse the cliche) game-changer.
It sure is, for them, not for us.
Matt knows how to talk to the left, but he’s never once demonstrated any inclination whatsoever to talk to the centre, who are very sanguine with the current economic settings.
As I said yesterday, IMO this is mostly a move to shore up Cunliffe’s caucus support amongst the Sisterhood/Rainbow/ABC. It’s not about putting Matt in charge of the campaign, otherwise they would have given him that.
I think they think his skills will be very useful in lifting the turnout too and quite frankly that’s where the biggest threat to us lies. Because if it is the case that a large % of the abstainers are comprised of the traditional Labour blue collar which they may well be, then he could get them out and he could get them voting Labour instead of Mana too. The Labour “small business owners with a heart” bloc won’t be recaptured but maybe they have decided they can’t do that while the Sisterhood/Rainbow remain in place, so go for what you can get.
Mr Prebble, a founding member of Act, said he didn’t see Dr Whyte’s comments as a hindrance to his task of building support for the party.
“Actually in some ways it is useful because it shows Jamie Whyte is not a politician and I don’t think the public want politicians. Our enemies will attempt to distort that but I find the guy refreshing and new and I think the electorate is looking for something that’s fresh and new.
“He’s somebody who’s very frank and so when he says things he means it. If you’ve got a candidate who happens to have been a philosophy lecturer at Cambridge University you can always ask him ‘gotcha’ questions.”
Whyte has now conceded he stuffed up.
ACT leader regrets incest comments
“I’m the leader of ACT and my opinions are the opinions of the ACT Party now, at least in my public discussions with journalists,” he told NZ Newswire.
“I was drawn into a very abstract philosophical conversation about the limits of the state and it’s not my job now, I’m now party leader, I’m the leader of ACT, it’s not my job to be a philosophy lecturer anymore.”
” “Everyone knows the Genesis sale is going to be a failure, now it turns out John Key knows as well,” said Labour leader David Cunliffe.
“It’s economic idiocy to sell shares in three power companies in the space of a year.” ”
We will see who the idiot is before the end of the year. There are many serious financial commentators in the USA who are predicting MAJOR corrections in the USA stock market this year. IF they are correct then we all know who “catches a cold”
Yeah probably. Mind you, if a person doesn’t ‘get’ what Whyte is saying about personal liberty then they shouldn’t really be voting for ACT. Shame he didn’t stick to his guns despite political expediency dictating otherwise.
GOOGLE GLASS, TECHNOLOGY & the SOCIAL CONTRACT. Turning 50 this year, I consciously dialed back my technological intra-veinous. My internationally-read NZ blog is taking a holiday, I have never committed to Twitter, I visit FB sporadically, and only utilise two email accounts (one for work) and never access the internet by phone, which gets turned off at 10pm. It is very much my view, that technology is well past its usefulness and is actually making life unnecessarily busy and stressful. I also believe we will experience an anti-tech push-back shortly. And perhaps this story below is the beginning of that trend…
Actually Scott I myself do and have always understood that, but the general public don’t. While the general public aren’t ACT voters it doesn’t make any sense to make your party look like Kentucky hillbillies which is what the general public are now thinking. Those people who are ACT voters don’t think ACT is like Kentucky hillbillies but those people are now thinking, what a dumb unnecessary move, and ACT voters don’t like dumb unnecessary moves because they’re almost exclusively smarter than your average bear and people like that don’t make dumb unnecessary themselves and don’t normally approve of people who do.
I wish he had stuck to his guns on the incest issue. It was entirely consistent with the party’s liberal philosophy. The state should not have a role in telling consenting adults who they can and cannot have sex with. It may be disgusting but it isn’t the government’s job to ban it unless it harms other people. The real hypocrites here are the people who pushed for marriage equality for gays on this exact argument but then suddenly act like Whyte has made an outrageous argument.
Whyte has made an argument that has been treated as outrageous. What is publicised counts.
Labour copped a lot of flak for their ‘man ban’ – most people will agree that having a gender balance is a good ideal, but they packaged it poorly and it was repackaged and publicised.
Appearing to promote incest (he didn’t but that’s how it’s been presented) is not a good look for ACT. If it’s an argument worth having (to ACT) then they need to deal with it, frame it and present it to show clearly what they mean.
Whyte got sucked in to saying something that in the circumstances bit him on the bum. That’s politics. He has to learn better ways of dealing with potentially controversial topics.
It is very much my view, that technology is well past its usefulness and is actually making life unnecessarily busy and stressful.
I’m with you in general sentiment iMP but unfortunately I think the ubiquity of technology which I agree is more a bane than a benefit, hasn’t even started rolling yet.
My younger thirty-something brothers were the first generation to be educated with the internet and mobiles and as my youngest brother has repeatedly said, just because I don’t see the point in being connected 24/7/365 doesn’t mean they don’t. Partly that was the callow youth in him talking but they embrace it with vigour and it means now that you can’t even watch a movie with him without the mobile being consulted every 5 mins and he’s normal for that generation and also for many older, many of them women, who embrace it so readily because they’re genetically wired to be social creatures.
It’s not healthy, at all, because it changes the human-to-human relationship aspect of life into human-computer-human and naturally companies driven by marketing who see an opportunity to make money in that computer aspect of the intersect are driving it hard and any business who wants to make money will need to adopt to it. And this intersession will increase into every aspect of life until just about everybody are living their lives from a screen in front of them delivering them information and offers.
The danger I see is that it’s like learning history from watching a documentary rather than reading a book on it. Over time people will hand over more and more of their thinking to the machines. For example Google glass has a biometric facial expression reading app which tells wearers what mood people are in, in a meeting or in a job interview situation. No doubt an app will come along to tell wearers what their facial expressions should be to create a certain impression on someone depending on the expressions shown by the audience. You can see how farcical it becomes. But that will happen, if it’s not already. More and more and more. Not to mention the subliminal ads that will invisibly flash up for ties, dresses and power suits while you’re in the meeting.
This raises the issue in my mind why IRD did not try and hold Matt McCarten personally liable for this debt and mount a prosecution for not paying over PAYE and other deductions. Possibly there was some ‘administration officer’ who vanished at some appropriate time who was set up to take the blame. One could be sneaky and hire people on working holidays for this sort of role knowing they will be gone when the stuff hits the fan.
Perhaps IRD were not prepared to have a stoush with Matt on Whale’s seventh rule of politics basis. Perhaps they could not get sufficient evidence.
So it is a pity that Paul Henry did not have a good ‘briefing’ about this tax situation or he could have asked some nasty supplementary questions.
Stumbled across a very good article on the Daily Mail about Currency debasement (inflation) and argues that it is the worst crime a government can commit as by corrupting the currency, you will corrupt the country:
“Now cast your mind back to the crash. Remember why it happened? We were told it happened because everyone was borrowing like crazy and no one was saving. Another sign of the moral decay of modern civilisation, they said. If only people behaved responsibly like they did in the olden days (when we had the gold standard, incidentally).
Why do you think the citizenry was behaving, and continues to behave, so recklessly? Why are we hooked on credit? Why don’t we act responsibly and save? The truth is that when a government debases currency, it creates an environment in which acting irresponsibly makes perfect sense.
In the good old days, you knew where you were. Money was reliable. Savings more or less matched borrowing ( just like they’re meant to). The free market operation of interest rates made sure of that. If more people wanted to borrow, they had to pay a higher price to induce more people to save, and hence provide the funds”
Now in the ultimate act of socialism/central planning, we have governments running up colossal debts and manipulating interest rates to make them look solvent.
Was passing through Christchurch Airport this morning and noticed Street & Coatsworth in the terminal area having what appeared to be a heated discussion. Obviously something nasty has upset them as they looked very unhappy. I hope it was not McCarten’s appointment.
Jamie Whyte shouldn’t back down. He’s made a point. If people disagree with it, they should respond with addressing that point, rather than responding with outrage – which is often a substitute for reasoned thought.
In December last year the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment dropped those charges and it was announced that the mine’s directors would pay $3.4 million to the families of the victims.
At the time, Judge Jane Farish told the court there was no deal and the charges had been dropped because a successful prosecution was unlikely.
Labour’s justice spokesman, Andrew Little, on Thursday released a letter from Mr Whittall’s lawyer, Stuart Grieve QC, which the MP says proves a deal was offered.
In the letter to the ministry, Mr Grieve sets out a proposal for a voluntary payment of $3.4 million and says a condition is that it does not proceed with the charges laid against Mr Whittall.
Mr Little obtained the letter under the Official Information Act.
“There has been speculation about a backroom deal ever since the charges against Peter Whittall were dropped,” he said.
“Now this letter confirms those fears.”
– Radio Live http://www.3news.co.nz/Labour-Peter-Whittall-bought-his-own-justice/tabid/1607/articleID/333889/Default.aspx
I winced hugely last night and this morning when Jamie Whyte’s comments on incest were reported…This is exactly what happens when you combine a guy with no experience of the brutal business of politics and naivete about the media together with the “Get ACT whenever and however you can” MSM this country now has…I suspect the “journo” picked up on some navel gazing column Jamie wrote years ago and hit him with a pithy quote…and Jamie didn’t have the experience to field it…Rodney would never have walked into that trap, but unfortunately, unless Whyte gets a coterie of highly experienced minders around him pronto, he will continue to do this…
I am sitting with an intelligent friend who takes little interest in politics…What she heard this morning was “ACT says its OK to for siblings to have sex along as they’re consenting adults”…that is NOT of course what Jamie actually said, but it’s what the electorate heard. Verdict: Must improve very rapidly
..And on the pseudo war veteran…this is NOT analagous to the Charlotte Dawson tragedy…this guy is absolutely the author of his own misfortune, and deserves all the opprobrium he will get…Medals are earned by brave men and women (aside from good conduct and nicely kept barracks type medals) and the bravery and suffering they represent is debased whenever a dickhead like this takes it upon himself to pretend to be what he never was, and probably never could be. I should add I guess that I certainly hope he doesn’t harm himself as a result…but comparisons with the hounding of Charlotte Dawson are fatuous…
I personally think it is an insidious crime to be a medal cheat.
As D.G. has pointed out, medals were earned by people who quite literally put their lives on the line. The fought and lived for extended periods of time in the most violent and extreme circumstances. Regardless of the politics and issues surrounding the various wars, these were ordinary blokes doing what they believed was right at a great cost to themselves and their families – how dare someone pretend to have earned a medal – when they didn’t.
MT Tinhead..we could have given them to a third world country…half the time ” use by ” means fuck all , its just the suppliers way of moving stock…anyway , it was a waste of money..the sky didn’t fall after all did it. Some bureaucrat in a govt dept cocked up.
Quote” When will the MSmedia ask Cunners/McCarten about the UNITE tax bill?
The misappropriation -THEFT- of PAYE monies is a serious criminal offence……. well, it would be for any small pr large business.”
Ah but McCarten is one of the chosen ones who get away with it. Just like Parker got away with lying to the Companies Office. You or I would have been prosecuted in either case.
I also have vague recollections of a scandal regarding mystery envelope sales whereby the charity involved received only about 7% of the proceeds, the rest having been swallowed up by the fund raising company in administration fees and back pockets. Wasn’t it McCarten who was interviewed in TV in relation to this??? Please correct me if I am wrong.
A British Intelligence analyst claims Obama was born in Kenya in 1960, and not 1961 as he claims; that the CIA tested Obama’s DNA sample surreptitiously and found no match with his grandparents. So just who is this guy Obama?
British Intelligence Advisor Barrister Michael Shrimpton reported Obama’s purported mom was not pregnant in 1961 and that Obama was born in Kenya in 1960. He said Kenya was under British intelligence files and that Obama’s father ran guns for the Mau Mau. He then dropped a bombshell claiming the CIA did covert DNA testing on Obama at a fundraising dinner and the test came back with no match to the claimed grandparents. Shrimpton said Rudy Giuliani’s people knew and sat on the intelligence and further stated he spoke with Hillary Clinton’s people and that they were quite interested.
Sheila the Aussie housewife got out of the shower and slipped over on
the bathroom floor. Instead of slipping over forwards or backwards,
she somehow slipped sideways and did the splits and suctioned herself
to the floor. She yelled out for her husband Bruce.
“Bruce! Bruce!” she yelled. Bruce came running in. “Bruce, I’ve
bloody suctioned myself to the floor,” she said.
“Strewth!” Bruce said and tried to pull her up. “You’re stuck fast
girl. I’ll go across the road and get Cobba.” (his mate)
They came back and they both tried to pull her up.
“Let’s try Plan B.” said Cobba.
“Plan B?!” exclaimed Bruce. “What’s that?”
“I’ll go home and get my hammer and chisel and we’ll break the tiles
under her,” replied Cobba.
“Spot on.” Bruce said. “While you’re doing that, I’ll stay here and
play with her tits.”
“Play with her tits?” Cobba said, “Not exactly a good time
for that mate.”
“No,” Bruce replied, “But I reckon if I can get her wet enough, we
can slide her into the kitchen where the tiles aren’t so expensive.”
Comrades! The kulak uprising in your five districts must be crushed without pity … You must make example of these people.
(1) Hang (I mean hang publicly, so that people see it) at least 100 kulaks, rich bastards, and known bloodsuckers.
(2) Publish their names.
(3) Seize all their grain.
(4) Single out the hostages per my instructions in yesterday’s telegram. Do all this so that for miles around people see it all, understand it, tremble, and tell themselves that we are killing the bloodthirsty kulaks and that we will continue to do so
It is no secret some Senior members of Cunliffes caucus are spewing about the appointment of McCarten and are very pissed off. They were counting on Jim Anderton coming back into the fold to assist with the election as promised by Cunners. This is going to backfire on The smarmy prick as his problems have just increased.
Senior Labour MPs are right to be furious. Knowing he was going to lose, Cunliffe has rolled the dice on a selfish, high-risk scorched-earth policy which will either get him across the line or keep the party out of power for at least another 8 years. He has nothing to lose, but they certainly do. He could have done the decent thing and built up respect and support so Labour would get in next time; but that’s no good to him if he gets rolled in the meantime. He has resolved to take them all down with him.
Why hasnt DPF posted on this letter about WHittle?
That was the biggest political story of the day.
Is Key involved- did Key put money before justice for the families as thats what he thinks matters most to people?
Did Joyce, as Minister of Dept involved, go along with this like a poodle?
Will this allow Judith Collins to poke her nose out in front in terms of next leader?
martinh, I don’t know all the details but I think I understand that Peter Whittle is isolated out for blame, it’s a bit naïve to follow the line that the disaster was the fault of Whittle, the situation seems to have been close to the edge long before Whittle happened along.
Im not blaming Whittle, im just blaming Joyce, Finnlayson and Key for making sure we and the families dont ever find out why.
Id love to hear what Grieve was going to say about this bloody beaureaucrat department
Cost cutting and poor management at Steven Joyces Ministry meant that there were no proper oversight.
My imagination runs wild with the comment by Whittles lawyer that he had amazing evidence that would show that it was not his clients fault but other authorities- i have forgotten the words exactly but it was definitely pointed at Joyces dept.
Yes you a thinking its a chance for the family to move on and take the money BUT the family have said thats blood money and they would like to hear what WHittle had to say, they want to know what Joyces dept got up to too.
Its not a moving on chance for them at all, its a cover up