General Debate 4 February 2014

February 4th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. flash2846 (132 comments) says:

    Apparently there are just 100,000 people on the minimum wage. So to raise the minimum wage to say $15 would cost just over $2 million spread over hundreds of employers. Of course some other pays will be affected but not that many.
    If the government was to raise the minimum wage to $15 they may well score some votes and strategically put loads of pressure on Labour.
    Any thoughts?

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  2. Paul Marsden (935 comments) says:

    The Whale has sunk again…

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  3. Sofia (785 comments) says:

    Move to alter privacy laws to help US

    Karen Scott-Howman, of the New Zealand Bankers’ Association, said the US’s demands had left the industry “stuck between a rock and a hard place”.
    “It is just nightmarish, nobody is pleased with it.”
    The cost of ignoring the US demands was “unthinkable”, she said.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9681670/Move-to-alter-privacy-laws-to-help-US

    Not maybe so much the intent of the bill to prevent tax evasion, but the implication in the background … comply or we will fuck you over
    A pre-runner to the TPP

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  4. igm (885 comments) says:

    APN are on the Cunliffe promotion run again this morning . . . they are as bad, if not worse, than Fairfax and Newstalkzb.

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  5. Sofia (785 comments) says:

    Flash2846 – $2 million spread over hundreds of employers.

    $2 million is the cost of two houses in Auckland – well, perhaps three.

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  6. flash2846 (132 comments) says:

    Sofia (665 comments) says:
    Flash2846 – $2 million spread over hundreds of employers.
    $2 million is the cost of two houses in Auckland – well, perhaps three.

    I think I see your point. 2-3 houses paid for by companies like Sealord and Briscoes and hundreds of McDonald’s, KFC, Burger King, Subway’s etc. Just doesn’t seem a lot to me when spread around so much.

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  7. hj (5,720 comments) says:

    What we do at the Human Rights Commision:

    I could not believe the Labour candidate seriously suggested that we should adopt the xenophobic policies of the far right” said Ms Davidson who worked for ten years at the Human Rights Commission.

    “At the Commission we spent a lot of time challenging racism, embracing diversity and helping refugees and new immigrants appreciate the importance of the Treaty of Waitangi.”

    Ms Davidson said traditional values of manaaki manuhiri and indigenous peoples solidarity stood in stark contrast to anti-immigration policies of ultra right wing parties and organisations.
    https://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/xenophobia-has-no-place-ikaroa-r-whiti

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  8. Brian Smaller (3,915 comments) says:

    Sorry – I barely passed School C maths but how does one hundred thousand people getting another $2 per hour come to a cost of $2-3 million dollars.

    100,000×2 = 200,000 x 8 hour day = 1.6 million per working day x about 260 working days = well – a lot more than $3 million. Am I wrong?

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  9. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    Brian,
    Kea is a physicist, she can do the math for you (probably in her head) :)

    -but I get around $400 million per year too.

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  10. Sofia (785 comments) says:

    $416,000,000 – nearer half a billion – so a whole Auckland suburb. Won’t happen unless Cunliffe develops the idea

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  11. OneTrack (1,988 comments) says:

    flash – “If the government was to raise the minimum wage to $15 …”

    It’s not enough. The left have decided that every 16 year old school leaver MUST get $18.40 an hour (for delivering newspapers).

    Of course, using the left’s word redefinition of the day, “poverty”, that school leaver will still be on less than 60% of the median disposable income, hence, “in poverty”, so more taxation and redistribution will be required.

    Hmm, maybe the goal is really just complete redistribution and not solving “poverty” ™ at all. Nah, they wouldn’t do that. That would be communism. And David Clendon has just said his team aren’t communists. They wouldn’t lie about something like that. Would they?

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  12. KiwiGreg (3,129 comments) says:

    @flash “any thoughts”

    Yeah. Governments passing laws prohibiting people from working for people prepared to hire them at rates both parties are prepared to accept are just plain dumb.

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  13. KiwiGreg (3,129 comments) says:

    The math is irrelevant when the principle is irrational.

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  14. flash2846 (132 comments) says:

    Yeah, Brian I was thinking the difference between the expected $14/hour and $15 which would be $40/week for 100,000 workers ($2,080,000).

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  15. OneTrack (1,988 comments) says:

    Sofia – “$2 million is the cost of two houses in Auckland – well, perhaps three.”

    Cunliffe can donate his house to the cause. He does want to solve “poverty”, right?

    Oh, sorry. I forgot the “other people” do the paying bit.

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  16. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Sorry – I barely passed School C maths but how does one hundred thousand people getting another $2 per hour come to a cost of $2-3 million dollars.

    If the $2m for 100,000 workers is per year over all NZ employers that works out to an extra $20 per minimum wage worker per year.

    I’m no genius either but $20 per worker / 52 weeks / 40 hours per week = a 1c per hour increase.

    Maybe not such a vote winner?

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  17. Left Right and Centre (2,399 comments) says:

    Media destruction of English language….

    Traffic officials have called on motorists to be patient as thousands of adjustments are made to the system each month to help it cope with “abnormal” post-quake traffic patterns.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/9659989/Drivers-see-red-at-right-turns

    Traffic officials are asking motorists to be patient ? Asking motorists to show more patience ?

    WTF does ‘called on’ mean ? Where does that usage come from ? More Americanese ? It’s nonsense.

    Is it the language of the next generation ? Or just journalists making stuff up all the time ?

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  18. KiwiGreg (3,129 comments) says:

    Also the number of people on the minimum wage isn’t the number who would be affected – everyone earning less than your new “minimum wage” would either get the higher amount or lose their jobs so the math is complicated. Everyone whose pay is linked (explicitly or implicitly) to the wages of those below them would have similar consequences.

    The inflationary effect reduces the real benefit as does the reduced economic activity.

    All for some weird idea of “fairness”.

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  19. alloytoo (338 comments) says:

    @hj

    The greens seem to be labeling themselves as right wing Xenophobes

    https://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/green-bill-gives-parliament-chance-debate-foreign-ownership

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  20. Paulus (2,304 comments) says:

    So the Lady Mayor of Christchurch says that politicians should not use the Earthquakes to score Political points in this Election year.
    Excuse my French, but this person, when in Parliament, continually bitched, and spent years, since the earthquake, trying to score political points prior to her Election as Mayor.
    Hypocritical Female Labour bastard.
    Glad I do not live in Christchurch – Auckland is bad enough, but Christchurch gimmee gimmee I am owed – no way.

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  21. kowtow (6,734 comments) says:

    Sofia

    Is that number after your name a sign??

    Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

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  22. flash2846 (132 comments) says:

    Thanks guys and girls, silly flash screwed up the math badly. I must have had a bad bout of socialism; hopefully it’s a 24 hour thing. :)

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  23. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    Full marks to relatively new National MP Paul Foster-Bell for speaking his mind about Sea Shepherd’s incredibly dangerous ramming of a Japanese whaling boat; the video evidence doesn’t lie.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/02/fb-status-of-day-4-february-2014.html

    Sea Shepherd has lost any remaining credibility, and its lies have been exposed for the world to see.

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  24. Alan (922 comments) says:

    The minimum wage is just a side effect of a problem, raising it does nothing.

    What we have in this country is a skills and productivity crisis. Too many jobs do not produce enough economic output to justify their existence. We produce $43 of value on average for each hour worked, in Australia it’s $68. There’s no way to spin this as a result of mining this gap has existed since the 1950s and been getting wider ever since.

    This is why we have to import overseas staff to do technical jobs.

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  25. Pete George (21,831 comments) says:

    Campbell Live had a soft interview with Metiria Turei last night and had a bit of a dig at Judith Collins, as did Patrick Gower afterwards on Twitter.

    And Collins bit back, accusing Campbell Live of lying.

    What seems to have happened is Campbell Live wanted to compare wardrobes between Turei and Collins. Collins wouldn’t play but Turei went ahead and talked yet again about the clothes and castle that she said were off limits last week.

    The Twitter exchange: Judith Collins versus Campbell Live

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  26. Sofia (785 comments) says:

    kotow, sorry – this response should fix it :-)

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  27. Sonny Blount (1,829 comments) says:

    flash2846 (64 comments) says:
    February 4th, 2014 at 8:14 am

    I think I see your point. 2-3 houses paid for by companies like Sealord and Briscoes and hundreds of McDonald’s, KFC, Burger King, Subway’s etc. Just doesn’t seem a lot to me when spread around so much.

    The cost will not be paid by those companies. It will be paid by the customers of those businesses. And for those with customers unwilling to pay the additional cost, they will go out of business and we will lose their services and made to order sandwich shops may go the way of milk deliveries and baby sitters.

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  28. Elaycee (4,089 comments) says:

    Hahaha…..

    Just spotted the Tweet at the side of the page:

    Ali Ikram @AliIkram
    Kim Dot Com is a genius. He has invented music no one will pirate.

    Brilliant! :)

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  29. Lance (2,311 comments) says:

    @Elaycee
    I dunno

    Maybe the CIA will adopt playing this instead of water-boarding?
    Much crueler.

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  30. Elaycee (4,089 comments) says:

    @Lance…. Careful – that Amnesty outfit will soon be onto you bleating about the barbaric treatment of prisoners…

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  31. dime (8,790 comments) says:

    Raise the minimum wage to $15?

    Take away Dimes right to work for $10?

    Assholes.

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  32. Samuel Smith (266 comments) says:

    DPF’s on polling company has National losing.

    Minus Act (1 seat) and Maori (3 seats) from his polling and do the maths.

    The Right are stranded on the Far Right.

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  33. Pete George (21,831 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe is trying what Labour should have done long ago – he’s setting a target of competing head to head with National with the aim of beating them rather than conceding their hopes are tied to the Greens.

    It won’t be easy to close a 10-20% gap but Labour have to at least look as if they’re trying.

    Cunliffe sets ambitious target

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  34. kowtow (6,734 comments) says:

    sofia

    phe ufe

    I thought the end was nigh.

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  35. big bruv (12,389 comments) says:

    I note that Ian Thorpe has been admitted to a rehab clinic.

    I do wonder if life might be a bit easier for this overly precious soul if he stopped pretending he was not a screaming poof. Nobody who listens to the man talk can come away with any other conclusion that he is a dude in deep denial.

    If he was at least honest with himself then he might be able to deal with life a bit better.

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  36. kowtow (6,734 comments) says:

    keeping stock

    Sea Shepperd.

    Problem is the MSM continue to report the japs as the aggressors.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/feb/03/australia-to-investigate-claim-japanese-whalers-rammed-sea-shepherd-ship

    On a related issue Mike Field was on National radio last week talking about the rape of the pacific by the Chinese and the dire effect on fisheries and jobs there.

    MSM,and other concerned bodies ? Ho hum.

    I’d love to see Sea Shepperd go head to head with the Red Chinese navy.Doubt it though ….too much money in saving the fucking whales and too much danger the Reds would sink the pirates.

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  37. Left Right and Centre (2,399 comments) says:

    LR&C called it a while back…. Rachel Smalley is far, far, far too hot looking not to be on TV. And now the woman is going to be back on TV. Well – duh. Safe prediction but still.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/9681535/Rachel-Smalley-joins-TVNZs-Q-A

    (The same as Martin Devlin now back on Radiosport in his natural habitat. I didn’t predict it but it’s a no-brainer. Now tell me – how long had he known that the morning slot would open up for him ?)

    I like Rachel sure. I still find it creepy watching TV news. When every reporter is handpicked based on some combination of youth, gender, attractive looks and figure, hair colour and skin colour…. it’s an uneasy feeling of having left planet earth and an alien species has taken over. The ethnic group known as ‘TV people’.

    When people seem to be picked for employment based on raw looks – you get the feeling that any old muppet that meets a minimum standard has got a shot as long as they are visually enticing. I’m uncomfortable with achievement contingent on mighty mirror merit. I turn off these barking Barbies – I didn’t ask anyone to handpick reporters with a non-negotiable youth and beauty policy. If the powers that be came out and said openly it’s policy to boost ratings – that would be fine.

    As I turn off the barking Barbies I think to myself ‘so these idiots got the job ahead of others based partly or mostly on being born with the right face, well fuck them’.

    It’s slightly different with other jobs where people are picked for their looks. You don’t give a shit if a model knows anything or not. I’m going to say the TV news is sending out a negative image of how women should look. The impossible ideal of beauty. Why not have a few more average looking birds on there ? More representative of the other 99.9% of NZ women ?

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  38. Longknives (4,051 comments) says:

    “I do wonder if life might be a bit easier for this overly precious soul if he stopped pretending he was not a screaming poof. Nobody who listens to the man talk can come away with any other conclusion that he is a dude in deep denial.”

    Ha! That and his professed ‘love of fashion’ would certainly beg some questions..

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  39. Longknives (4,051 comments) says:

    L,R & C – Then how in the hell did scowling Sue Bradford junior get her job?

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  40. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    KiwiGreg (3,061 comments) says:
    February 4th, 2014 at 8:46 am

    Also the number of people on the minimum wage isn’t the number who would be affected – everyone earning less than your new “minimum wage” would either get the higher amount or lose their jobs so the math is complicated. Everyone whose pay is linked (explicitly or implicitly) to the wages of those below them would have similar consequences.

    The inflationary effect reduces the real benefit as does the reduced economic activity.

    All for some weird idea of “fairness”.


    Seven recipients of the Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences were among 75 economists endorsing an increase in the minimum wage for U.S. workers.

    In a letter released today, the group called for the hourly minimum wage to reach $10.10 by 2016 from its current $7.25, and then be indexed for inflation thereafter. They said “the weight” of economic research shows higher pay doesn’t lead to fewer jobs.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-14/seven-noble-laureates-urge-increase-in-u-s-worker-minimum-wage.html

    The United States isn’t New Zealand. However, I think you need to do better than the usual rhetoric about job losses and the assumption that anyone who disagrees with you is economically illiterate.

    Everyone’s income is a consequence of someone else’s spending. When an economic crisis occurs people start to save rather than spend or invest. This limits aggregate demand which limits income and productivity.

    People who earn the minimum wage are arguably among the most likely to spend that money and put it back into the economy stimulating demand and boosting productivity. Moreover, a higher wage for them helps people who arguably need it most.

    You raise inflation as a concern yet the OCR remains low.

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  41. dime (8,790 comments) says:

    Bruv – yep.

    I have a feeling he lost a ton of cash in 08 too.

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  42. Pete George (21,831 comments) says:

    @felixmarwick

    PM says there’s as much chance of him handing the Prime Ministership to Winston Peters as there is of Amanda Knox holidaying in Italy

    also says it’s his intention to serve full term as PM if he forms next Gov’t

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  43. mister nui (885 comments) says:

    For those of you that might have a subscription to the Australian, click the below link and see why we should do everything in our power to resist the scourge of union scumbags. Even if you don’t have a sub, click the link anyway, the opening paragraph is enough of a taster to make the bile rise….

    http://m.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/spc-nothing-short-of-union-shop/story-fnbkvnk7-1226816201948#

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  44. Pete George (21,831 comments) says:

    Anardarko have plugged their well off Taranaki because it isn’t commercial.

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  45. dime (8,790 comments) says:

    Kiwi “media” crack me up.

    Its like in order to say something positive about someone, they have to bag someone else.

    Todays example from stuff:

    “Move over Lorde” – Moses Mackay has a sold-out NZ tour and five-times platinum-selling album to his name…

    Like theres not room for more than one successful person? weird fuckers.

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  46. wikiriwhis business (3,309 comments) says:

    Interesting military history. From USA of course.

    When elite troops strapped nukes to their backs

    none of the men has ever been on a mission like this before.

    Their plan: drop into Eastern Europe, make their way undetected through forested mountains, and destroy a heavy-water plant used in the manufacture of nuclear weapons

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9682966/When-elite-troops-strapped-nukes-to-their-backs

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  47. wikiriwhis business (3,309 comments) says:

    Move to alter privacy laws to help US

    The Government wants to override privacy laws to supply the US Government with private details about Americans living in New Zealand.

    As part of a global tax-dodging crackdown, the US is forcing banks and other financial institutions to hand over the private financial details of US “persons” and companies based overseas.

    From July this year, Kiwi banks and insurers will be required to provide US tax authorities with American customers’ contact details, bank account numbers and transaction history.

    The move is already deeply unpopular among banks and expat Americans overseas, some of whom have accused the US of “fiscal imperialism”.

    In New Zealand, it has left banks stuck between defying the US and breaking domestic privacy laws that protect all New Zealand residents, including Americans.

    But now the Government is stepping in with plans to “override” privacy laws to help banks meet the US demands and reduce costs.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9681670/Move-to-alter-privacy-laws-to-help-US

    Our govt is simply a spy agency.

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  48. wikiriwhis business (3,309 comments) says:

    “Kiwi “media” crack me up.”

    Our media is simply a tool to ingrain PC thought control and make the inappropriate today illegal tomorrow though stirring controversy.

    Timothy Giles on Radio Live is a huge PC tool.

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  49. wikiriwhis business (3,309 comments) says:

    RadioLive presenters were told to stay away from public places and not to attend their children’s sporting events or do their own shopping as the station’s management sought to shut down the media storm around John Tamihere and Willie Jackson’s questioning of a female talkback caller during the Roast Busters scandal.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11196245

    Corporate overkill big time.

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  50. Fletch (5,727 comments) says:

    Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly grills Obama in an interview before the Superbowl in which Obama lies through his teeth, saying there was “not a smidgeon” of corruption in the IRS abuse, and evading a question about whether Panetta told him on the night of the attack whether it was a terrorist attack.

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  51. hj (5,720 comments) says:

    Another analysis and critque of muticulturalism asks how it became an institutionalised ideology.

    Example 2 — Black studies professor Henry Louis Gates writes that the universities should adopt a curriculum that reflects all the world’s cultures, not merely Western culture. Such a world culture, Gates continues, “situates the West as one of a community of civilizations. After all, culture is always a conversation among different voices.”

    That last comment is a snare for the gullible. It is one thing to say that the Western conversation consists of such different voices as (for example) Christianity, Judaism, Greek philosophy, and modern science. It is quite a different thing to say that the Western conversation consists of Shi’ite Islam, Animism, Voodoo, and Rastifarianism. Clearly, to include every voice as an equal participant in the Western conversation would mean the end of the Western conversation. Gates tacitly admits this is his purpose when he remarks: “To insist that we �master our own culture’ before learning others … only defers the vexed question: What gets to count as �our’ culture? What has passed as �common culture’ has been an Anglo-American regional culture, masking itself as universal.”(2) In other words, the Anglo-American or Western culture should not be transmitted as our primary culture because it is not really “ours,” and it is not really “ours” because it doesn’t include all cultures, meaning non-Western cultures and those who belong to them.

    Leaving aside the complex question of whether and to what extent Western culture includes non-Westerners, the more immediate concern to us here is that Western culture is the culture of Westerners. Gates wants to include other cultures within Western culture so that the resulting hodgepodge will belong equally to everyone in the world. But and this is the point overlooked both by the multiculturalists and their white universalist critics that means taking Western culture away from Westerners.

    http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc1403/article_1227.shtml

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  52. igm (885 comments) says:

    Is Lecher still controlling the Auckland ratepayers’ hard-earned money, distributing it to his non-ratepaying leeches for a voting base . . . has his hooter grown overnight, or has he stopped feeding it?

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  53. Fletch (5,727 comments) says:

    To review. this is what Obama said in a press conference soon after the IRS abuse was discovered –

    I’ve reviewed the Treasury Department watchdog’s report, and the misconduct that it uncovered is inexcusable.  It’s inexcusable, and Americans are right to be angry about it, and I am angry about it.  I will not tolerate this kind of behavior in any agency, but especially in the IRS, given the power that it has and the reach that it has into all of our lives.  And as I said earlier, it should not matter what political stripe you’re from — the fact of the matter is, is that the IRS has to operate with absolute integrity.  The government generally has to conduct itself in a way that is true to the public trust. That’s especially true for the IRS.

    And what has been done about it? Hardly anything. A Obama donor has been appointed to look into the matter, and NO conservative groups have been interviewed. Here is Ted Cruz grilling Eric Holder on the IRS investigation and the little that is happening with it.

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  54. marcw (206 comments) says:

    @wikiriwhis business: What’s the difference between the US tax authorities demands of expat American banking details, and NZ tax authorities (IRD) demands of NZ citizen banking details? Is it just you don’t like America?

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  55. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    @flash2846 The other gaping hole in your maths is what do the people already on $15 do? If you had just been promoted above minimum wage to $15 and then minimum wage is raised to $15 would you want to stay on $15? This then applies up the chain. You may also want to read up on the vicious circle of inflation.

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  56. OneTrack (1,988 comments) says:

    Pete – “What seems to have happened is Campbell Live wanted to compare wardrobes between Turei and Collins.”

    Oh FFS. Campbell focusing on the important stuff as usual.

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  57. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    marcw – I agree with wiki for the first time ever.

    FATCA is basically turning foreign governments and banks into de facto IRS agents. Which is demonstrated by the fact NZ (along with most other countries in the globe) is being strong-armed into amending our domestic legislation to fill Uncle Sam’s pockets.

    It really is one of the most totalitarian, Orwellian pieces of legislation ever. It is costing financial institutions around the world billions and billions of dollars in compliance costs, and American clients of foreign banks are having their relationships terminated left right and centre. Many estimates have placed the value of worldwide FATCA compliance as being greater than the actual revenue raised from tax evaders! Yet the compliance costs falls on overseas governments and banks and not on the USA….

    Obama’s “Change” – but not as we know it….

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  58. hj (5,720 comments) says:

    At a symposium on “The Plurality of Civilizations” at an academic conference in Chicago some years ago, Professor Allen Heumer gave a talk on the religious beliefs of the Lakota Sioux.(12) The Lakota, he argued, do not worship nature gods as is widely believed, but a transcendent deity not unlike the God of Judaism and Christianity. He concluded that the Lakota religion has a deep spiritual validity that we should understand and respect.

    As an apparently serious attempt to explain a non-Western culture to Western minds, Heumer’s talk exemplified what some have called the good multiculturalism, and his paper received a sympathetic response from a generally conservative, or at least not left-wing, audience. But when I chatted with Heumer afterward, he unveiled a radical agenda that had not even been hinted at in his scholarly paper the Sioux, he matter-of-factly told me, should carve a sovereign nation for themselves out of chunks of Wyoming, Montana, and South Dakota. Somewhat taken aback, I replied that this would mean the break-up of the United States and possible civil war. Heumer said that was no problem. “What would there be to fight over?” he asked in a tone of airy dismissal. When I said that it is precisely over such issues of sovereignty that nations have always fought wars, he brushed that aside as well. He seemed indifferent to the prospect that other minority groups, each claiming large chunks of territory, might also want to secede from the United States. At this point, a deferential-seeming black graduate student from Canada who had been listening to our conversation politely suggested that my attitude was “reactionary.”

    Thus, in what seemed like the blink of an eye, the focus of the scene had shifted from (1) Heumer’s engaging analysis of the inner life of a non-Western culture, to (2) his demand for political sovereignty for that culture, to (3) the labeling of a critic as “reactionary” for questioning this demand. Pretending to seek some “higher truth” in a non-Western culture that could be seen as common to all cultures (an endeavor that would naturally appeal to well-meaning, universalist academics, especially conservatives), he converted that other culture into a political weapon that he then turned against our culture. For a non-academic like myself, this brief conversation seemed to capsulize everything I had heard about the radicalization of the universities in recent times.

    http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc1403/article_1227.shtml

    Sound familiar?

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  59. Zapper (847 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/9681645/Political-players-warned-by-Mayor

    As commented above. My hypocrisy meter just exploded

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  60. dime (8,790 comments) says:

    wiki – in your opinion, what happens when the US dollar crashes? the Yanks go into depression. How fucked are we?

    Or do we just go about our day, do more business with China?

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  61. Lance (2,311 comments) says:

    @wiki
    Your posts are steadily becoming more paranoid.

    Just to help you along..
    Yes they are spying on you, they are out to get you and everything is a conspiracy. There is a highly paid and well funded team assigned just to monitor your every move and communication.
    John Key personally spends a considerable amount of his time reviewing your daily files and passes them along to Barrack Obama who then writes down details about you in his black book.
    The worlds financial system will completely fail any day now and the populous will quickly turn to crime and cannibalism.

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  62. wikiriwhis business (3,309 comments) says:

    Key keen on full third term as PM

    John Key says he is committed to seeing out the next term Prime Minister if National wins the election, saying the job is “energising” while also leading to “exhaustion”.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9683740/Key-keen-on-full-third-term-as-PM

    imho, Key will run for the hills as soon as the tracherous, traitorous TPP is signed. It will give our sovreignty over to US corporates to rape us as they please.

    As I have already shown today, National is giving rights to the US to collect all data of US citizens in this country proving this govt is a lap dog spy for US and probably China. Crafer Farms ring a bell?

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  63. dirty harry (256 comments) says:

    Cool..holiday Thursday..time half and day in lieu..cha ching!..

    Now , what was the reason for the day off..?

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  64. Ross12 (931 comments) says:

    Obviously Gareth Hughes has not seen the appalling figures from overseas on so called “green jobs” and “green energy” companies. If he thinks there is a big opportunity in this area — get out there and put some his own money in , raise the extra and show us all how it is done!!

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/21253810/deep-sea-drilling-is-not-our-future-green-party/

    Anadarko –did not find what they hoped for. So what. It is a big boys game and they know the risks.

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  65. OneTrack (1,988 comments) says:

    Now , what was the reason for the day off..?

    Who cares.

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  66. Pete George (21,831 comments) says:

    Kim Dotcom has claimed that the GCSB has deleted evidence relevant to his case despite John Key saying in Parliament it wouldn’t happen.

    Whether that part of the issue is political or not it is political. Grant Robertson is asking for answers.

    Key will have to address this. Key question for GCSB.

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  67. dirty harry (256 comments) says:

    aw thats right..maori day..time to whip whitey again

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  68. Pete George (21,831 comments) says:

    Is anyone familiar with McCabe v BAT and The Ophelia?

    How would it be relevant to Dotcom v USA.

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  69. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    Bloody Nora! If you want to sell your Toyota – any age/model – on trade me, $60 thanks, what a bunch of ripoff merchants!

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  70. cha (3,547 comments) says:

    And in Kiev….

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  71. Sidey (232 comments) says:

    ciaron at 12:53 pm
    Bloody Nora! If you want to sell your Toyota – any age/model – on trade me, $60 thanks, what a bunch of ripoff merchants!

    You could always exercise your rights to not list it on Trademe. Or set up your own auction-based web site. I’m sure if enough people agree with you, it’ll be roaring success, just like that other outfit… what was it… Wheezer or something… Or sell to a car dealer, I’m sure they’ll be happy to undercut Trademe so you don’t miss out.

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  72. OneTrack (1,988 comments) says:

    Pete – “Kim Dotcom has claimed that the GCSB has deleted evidence relevant to his case …”

    What information could the GCSB possibly have that would affect the US extradition?

    Did they bug his phone when he was talking to someone and he said he didn’t do it? I don’t get it.

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  73. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    You could always exercise your rights to not list it on Trademe

    My objection rests on the fact that the same listing 3 months ago cost $39, and as you rightly point out with sarcasm there aren’t many other options (contrary to the ads, my listing on auto trader has only attracted scammers over the last 3 months)

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  74. kowtow (6,734 comments) says:

    Isn’t colonialism,apartheid and oppression great?

    Comrade Saint Nelson Mandela died a very rich man…….how’s that equality working out for the great unwashed hordes in the townships?

    No doubt though the useful idiots of the far left and the guilt ridden white middle classes of the west will still adore him and insist on statues and roads in his holy memory.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/02/nelson-mandela-will-worth-41m-20142316620148846.html

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  75. wikiriwhis business (3,309 comments) says:

    Financial world shaken by 4 bankers’ apparent suicides in a week

    A 58-year-old former senior executive at Deutsche Bank AG, William Broeksmit, was found dead on January 26 in his home after an apparent suicide in South Kensington in central London.

    The next day, January 27, Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, 51, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok. Police said he could have committed suicide. Mr. Slym was staying on a 22th floor with his wife, and was attending a board meeting in the Thai capital.

    Another tragic incident occurred on January 28, when a 39-year-old Gabriel Magee, a JP Morgan employee, died after falling from the roof of its European headquarters in London.

    http://rt.com/business/russell-investments-chief-economist-dead-564/

    But get this

    Some European countries like Belgium and the Netherlands have reduced the working week from 40 to 30 hours without damaging their economies, while in Germany an average worker puts in 35 hours a week and is the world’s fourth largest economy.

    Very top level jobs only I would believe. Lol…politicians.

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  76. Pete George (21,831 comments) says:

    @felixmarwick

    PM says @KimDotcom ‘s GCSB claims wrong. Legal doc’s archived forever. By law raw intel’ aged off the system if no longer relevant or req’d

    Key cites : http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2003/0009/latest/DLM187853.html

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  77. Tauhei Notts (1,513 comments) says:

    Kowtow at 1.11
    A 70 year old bloke emerges from a prison sentence of about 27 years; then in the next 23 years, working solely as a public servant, amasses a nett worth of USD4,100,000.
    There is something unusual here.

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  78. Sidey (232 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business says: at 1:12 pm
    Financial world shaken by 4 bankers’ apparent suicides in a week

    I’ve checked with some former colleagues – none are shaken.

    Given how many people work in the finance sector globally who could be referred to as bankers, and how many suicides there are globally in a week, I’m surprised there are only four that you could point to. Speaking of points, what’s yours? Some sort of conspiracy? Do you think they were all secretly murdered (you use the word ‘apparently’), and if so, why and by whom? And how do you connect just these four from all the rest?

    Tomorrow’s news flash: “Trolley-boy world shaken by apparent suicides in a week.”
    I’m sure you could up with four trolley-boys world wide who have killed themselves within a seven-day period. The plot thickens! Supermarkets worldwide are plotting to make us bring our own trolleys back! It started with self-service at the fuel pump, now this. Where will it all end!

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  79. Paulus (2,304 comments) says:

    Kowtow

    You think that Mandela was rich, despite the family shit fight over his multi millions.

    Look at the Presidents who followed him Mbeki, Metlanthe and now Zuma – all good Communists in the ANC.
    Whilst they are not nearly as rich as Mugabe, they are in some cases US$ billionaires through all sorts of corruption with moneys and properties sorted throughout the world.
    Zuma is the richest has just spent $48 million on doing up one of his houses.
    No wonder he was booed at Mandela’s funeral. The tip of the iceberg.

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  80. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    Listing has been on trademe for less than an hour and a half, already got message from spammers:)

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  81. stephieboy (1,168 comments) says:

    Mandella’s earnings and net wealth would be chicken feed compared to say GW Bush jnr or John Key’s.I don’t know what his base salary was but I would think it would be similar to his predecessor de Clerk .He would of accumulated considerable earnings from his best selling book “Long Walk to Freedom.”and other writings.
    Actually, really thinking, about it 5 million is in fact a rather modest amount given his widespread fame and stature .But maybe he should of gone around in sackcloths and ashes, paid a pittance as our apologists for apartheid and racism here would likely much prefer.?

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  82. Jack5 (4,231 comments) says:

    I can’t get on to Whale Oil’s site. It must be down still.

    This is getting serious. Whale was insensitive and stupid, and as far as I know, hasn’t apologised, but the response looks to me like an attack on free speech.

    Surely someone has tracked down the source of the attacks by now.

    I doubt that it would be from the West Coast. Coasters are smart enough to know some counter-vandal could easily snip off the Coast’s vulnerable physical links to the internet.

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  83. Longknives (4,051 comments) says:

    They have internet on the West Coast?

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  84. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Jack – Whaleoil has been back for days now

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  85. dirty harry (256 comments) says:

    Yes..good old waitangi day…the weeping boil on the ass of all white nzer’s…honestly, who gives a fuck about waitangi day?
    Nobody except the maori. Its a day to stick it up the white man again…a reminder how despicable we are and how badly we treat the ” first peoples “.

    Waitangi day means nothing to me. I’ll work as usual , pocket the extra coin and carry on wishing we had a national day like our fine neighbours have in Australia.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9684096/Waitangi-disgrace-in-dispute

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  86. marcw (206 comments) says:

    @Jack5: I couldn’t get into the site for a while too, but discovered my browser bookmark was for an old website link – it’s been all good since I fixed that, and no trouble today.

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  87. wikiriwhis business (3,309 comments) says:

    Currency manipulation coming not seen since 1930′s and seventies

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  88. Carlos (684 comments) says:

    More Harawira family bullshit at Waitangi. God! When will this shit stop?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11196624

    Edit: Oops! Someone bet me to it.

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  89. Northland Wahine (554 comments) says:

    Hinewhare Harawira is just as bat shit as her mother.

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  90. Jack5 (4,231 comments) says:

    Blows! Thar he blows!

    Thanks to Nickb at 2.44 and to marcw at 2.58 I’ve sited the white whale again.

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  91. big bruv (12,389 comments) says:

    I note that the stone age bludgers up north are kicking off again.

    Key should just tell them to bugger off, stop attending the meaningless Waitangi day celebrations and inform the stone age thugs that the tax payer will no longer be funding this complete waste of a day.

    I would like to see the Nat’s do away with Waitangi day, change the pubic holiday we enjoy on that day to one in the middle of the year and rename it New Zealand day.

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  92. kowtow (6,734 comments) says:

    New Zealand Day

    If the PM thinks the treatment the GG got at Waitangi today is disgraceful etc(and it’s just more of the same up there),why not have a real legacy and instead of trying to change the flag, do the right thing and have a referendum on the racists seats and a proper national day ,not a day when the media tell 85% of the country that they are beholden to the 15% .

    These are important constitutional issues.

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  93. dirty harry (256 comments) says:

    LOL..key has no balls. He would never give such an ultimatum.

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  94. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    i find it quite embarrassing that we seem to be so small a country and so easy to be manipulated.

    Some German criminal called Dotcom, hiding out here from facing Justice claims some files on a matter
    relating to the GCSB have been deleted and it is breathless headline news on almost every media in the country.
    Even the Prime Minister of New Zealand passes comments on his every statement.

    This Dotcom muses about starting a political party here and the next thing the gormless drongs in
    our media are reporting that he may hold the balance of power in our next election.

    Dotcom could have gone to any bolthole in the world to avoid facing Justice, he did his homework and
    picked New Zealand.

    He thought, “I’ll put on a fireworks display for these sheeple, donate a few bucks to a couple of their
    political parties and I’ll own the place. Jeez, look what Bill Liu could buy there for less than $50k, a new
    identity, a NZ passport, immunity from Justice. Shit, I can hire a couple of QCs there and manipulate those
    fools for as long as I like. Shit, I could even donate a few more bucks to Labour and if they win the next election
    those idiots will pass a law making it illegal to deport me.”

    What a fucking international embarrassment.

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  95. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    beryl, that was remarkably lucid. Congratulations!

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  96. edhunter (435 comments) says:

    Big Bruv while I agree with a NZ day, 2nd Monday in February would be my preference, why would you want a day off in July for?

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  97. ciaron (1,165 comments) says:

    Having fun trolling the scammer. The idiot’s agreed to pay twice the asking price.

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  98. wikiriwhis business (3,309 comments) says:

    Interview with Antal Fekete on our 90-95% likelihood of avoiding a monetary collapse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy-2GaT6RMo&feature=youtu.be

    Karen Hudes interview so a good source.

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  99. wikiriwhis business (3,309 comments) says:

    “why would you want a day off in July for?”

    Cause it’s halfway thru the year when everyone could do with a break

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  100. Pete George (21,831 comments) says:

    Multiple failures on Anadarko – http://yournz.org/2014/02/04/multiple-failures-on-anadarko/

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  101. dime (8,790 comments) says:

    I heard whale oil on zb last night.

    He was saying how great it would be to have a govt cobbled together by all the shitty left parties after the next election. Great entertainment etc

    Ya know youre too close to the game when you want your opposition to win an election and wreck havoc cause you think its funny.

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  102. wikiriwhis business (3,309 comments) says:

    “In the last two months of 2013, the Government allowed land sales to Dutch, Chinese, American, Swedish, Australian, Japanese, Swiss and French interests. This is a road to ruin and will see us become peasants in our own land.”

    Winston.

    So true

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  103. hj (5,720 comments) says:

    “Today more than 20,000 Africans reside in this 10 square kilometre stretch that local Chinese cab drivers call “Chocolate City.”

    As many cities around the world have “Chinatowns,” so Africans have come to think of this area as a kind of burgeoning “Africatown.” The sounds of Afrobeat music permeate the air, business gets done in English or Igbo (a Nigerian language) and colourful west African dress abounds.

    But the Chinese are not an immigrant nation. Fully 92 per cent belong to one ethnic group alone: the Han. They dominate political and cultural life and remain relatively cool to foreign ways.”

    http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2009/08/01/big_trouble_in_chinas_chocolate_city.html
    ………….
    tch,tch.tch……..

    I don’t suppose their “monocultural society” will see them become a minority any time soon.

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  104. Pete George (21,831 comments) says:

    Unlike Whale I don’t think it would be a hoot if Labour, Greens and Mana take control. We might have to learn to say “Oh σκατά!”

    Metiria Turei confirms she thinks National “deliberately keep them” poor and “the burden is borne by the kids”.

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  105. publicwatchdog (1,840 comments) says:

    FYI Kiwibloggers

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/penny-bright-filed-a-complaint-of-money-laundering-with-police-against-auckland-mayor-len-brown-4-feb-2014/

    Penny Bright filed a complaint of money laundering with Police against Auckland Mayor Len Brown 4 Feb. 2014

    February 4, 2014 | Author Penny

    MEDIA ALERT FORWARDED BY GRAHAM McCREADY:

    (Scanned documents inserted by Penny Bright.)

    Penny Bright of Auckland filed a complaint of money laundering against Mayor Len Brown this morning 4 Feb 2014.

    Confirmation from the police is attached.

    LEN BROWN Pg 1 Police Complaint stamped (1).pdf 4 February

    LEN BROWN Complaint to Police – alleged money-laundering 4 February 2014

    The complaint was entered into the Police computer system as Reference No. 140204/7459 “Engages in Money Laundering Transaction”

    LEN BROWN Police Complaint acknowledgement.pdf 4 February 2014
    The Police Officer who took the complaint is Tony Geldenhuys Customer Services Manager, Auckland Central Police Station 09 302 6741

    LEN BROWN Police Complaint Tony Geldenhuys Business card

    The complaint alleges that Brown arranged to have the gifts of rooms and room upgrades put in his wife’s name to avoid declaring them on up to 74 occasions over three years in his register of interests. Prima facie this is money laundering.

    Graham Mc Cready
    Agent for NZPPS Ltd
    ………………
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ……………….

    Penny Bright

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  106. johnwellingtonwells (78 comments) says:

    Brown.Brown, LeRoy Brown. Pukekohe Mayor in the Chair meeting. A Papakura businesman attempted to raise “family values” with the Mayor, who said that he had already spoken about these issues, and added that it was a matter between him and his family. When the questions were repeated, Mayoral staff interceded and the man left. So as well as ratepayers paying for spin doctors, they also pay for “heavies”

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  107. Left Right and Centre (2,399 comments) says:

    sidey – bad example. And sexist !! Although numerically reflective of fact. Yeah – how many women collect trolleys ? There’s a gender bias feminists don’t care about. You don’t hear them screaming how unfair it is that ‘trolleyboy’ is a male dominated line of work. And inherently sexist by job title – yeah that’s fine. Anyway – the trolley people of course are mostly morons and too dumb to count suicide as an option. Similar to IHC folks.

    You’re on to it Sidey – a paltry 187 comments is shithouse. You need to get in the game and up your average.

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  108. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    A Good summary the Whale situation from Martyn Bradbury at the Daily Blog, I think it could equally apply to KBs most prolific troll, who throws his toys out of the cot every time someone stands up to his abuse, no prizes for guessing who I’m referring to!!

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/01/30/cameron-slater-the-wolf-that-cried-boy/

    Cameron Slater – the wolf that cried boy

    By Martyn Bradbury / January 30, 2014 /

    TDB recommends Voyager
    Cam, you do have to apologise, calling someone feral and proclaiming their death as a good job for the planet is just cruel and if you can’t apologise for cruelty then what the hell can you apologise for?

    No one should have death threats and no one should have their family threatened, and anyone using those tactics should face the full force of the law. We may disagree with each other vigorously and we may be offended to outrage, but death threats and threats of violence to ones family has no place in civil society.

    All that said and noted, what I find most extraordinary about Cameron’s current wallowing in victimhood is how utterly disconnected he is from his actions of abuse and bullying. He is the wolf that cried boy.

    Cam, mate, you just need to swallow your pride and admit you got this one wrong champ, that calling a dead man who as a backseat passenger had no responsibility in his own death as ‘feral’ was you just being a mean arsehole for no real reason. Sometimes in the heat of blogging we all go a bit too far, when we do, we back up and apologise and try better next time. To unblinkingly stare down the TV camera stating that you have nothing to apologise for comes across as a bit pathological and disturbed.

    Cam, you do have to apologise, calling someone feral and proclaiming their death as a good job for the planet is just cruel and if you can’t apologise for cruelty then what the hell can you apologise for?

    I’m sorry you have had a death threat and your family have been dragged into this, but pointing to that as your reason to not apologise isn’t making you the better person, it’s making you a petty wounded person.

    You are better than this Cam. Barely. But you are. Apologise to the family and try not to be as offensive next time.

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  109. publicwatchdog (1,840 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/cartoons/

    Couldn’t agree more with cartoonist Tom Scott.

    Cabinet Ministers Judith Collins and Anne Tolley are acting like middle-aged, nasty, bullying school girls.

    Think that behaviour makes you ‘Prime Ministerial’ Judith Collins?

    Sadly – given Prime Minister John Key’s vindictive, petty, untruthful attacks on Hone Harawira – you think that’s how it’s done?

    Pity about the Cabinet Manual requirement for Ministers to exhibit the ‘highest ethical standards’.

    MOST ‘unbecoming’ conduct, in my considered opinion.

    Penny Bright

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  110. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Being thrown out of every council meeting since 1934 is not “unbecoming conduct” then, Penny?

    I for one won’t be taking etiquette lessons from the crazy cat-lady of Kingsland, thanks.

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  111. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    And Kim Schmidt (alias Dotcom) not only finds it so easy to manipulate us for a few dollars that he is confident
    and arrogant enough to feel free to laugh at us and shit on us as he does it.

    “My rich international friends would find New Zealand so parochial, so boring, no decent nightlife here, no
    decent restaurants, no culture, thats why they dont come here to visit me.”

    And yet our media hangs on his every word. It’s so freakin sick.

    Is there just one/any honest journalist in any media in this country with the integrity to call this charlatan out and
    report his true past and the hurt he has caused to accrue his millions ?

    i note that the odd suckarse “journalist” has already crapped his career into the dustpan in his eagerness and
    hope that a few dollars will flow his way if he sucks up to Dotcom hard enough.
    Thats not to mention, whats his name? some ex manager of our Reserve Bank and erstwhile Act politician, Don
    someone, shit, it doesnt take many dollars for these drongs to prostitute themselves does it ?

    If Bill Liu could get a special meeting in our Parliament to confer citizenship on him for giving a few bucks to the likes
    of Dover Samuels, and watzisname, the tripple dipping tugger Shane Jones and silent T, do not be suprised if Labour win in
    November that Dotcom is the first international criminal to be elevated to Sir Dotcom.
    The cheapest Knighthood ever bought in the history of the realm.

    How fuckin embarrassing.

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  112. publicwatchdog (1,840 comments) says:

    Think you’ll find it was the Auckland City Council’s conduct in unlawfully denying me speaking rights, or trying to keep the public out of ‘politically sensitive’ meetings under the guise the matters were ‘commercially sensitive’ that was ‘unbecoming’?

    Well – unlawful – actually.

    Out of 22 arrests it ended up 21 -1 to me (not all arrests ended up in Court).

    (Another small ‘technical’ point – I’m also not a Cabinet Minister? :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

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  113. publicwatchdog (1,840 comments) says:

    PS ‘NickB’ – you may not know this – but I was the fourth-highest polling 2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate with 11,723 votes.

    How many votes did YOU get – the last time you stood for public office?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  114. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    I don’t have half the narcissism or self-delusion required to stand for public office Penny. So 0.

    I can only guess you are taking the flouride out of the water in Kingsland and replacing it with something else to get that many people to vote for you.

    Otherwise my guess is you appeal to the Occupy fringe lunatic sector

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  115. RRM (8,997 comments) says:

    Good on you Penny, you’ve got a lawful RIGHT to be heard as you bang on about ME ME ME ME ME…

    I can’t imagine why they ejected you.

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  116. Kea (10,482 comments) says:

    Rowan, you are on the wrong blog if you want to demand apologies from, and dictate to, Cam Slater. Pop on over to Whaleoil. Let us know how you get on with your crusade to restrict freedom of speech on blogs.

    Most of us have the common decency to make up our own minds about his comments, but I understand why you don’t get that.

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  117. nasska (9,579 comments) says:

    A rare depiction of the mating call of the Mad Waterwoman. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sx456qe1favekkt/Cuckoo%201.jpg

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  118. Sidey (232 comments) says:

    nickb @ 6.39 appears to suffer from that condition which affects around 99% of the population, namely the desire to spend their own money rather than that of the other 99%. A condition Penny seems not to share.

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  119. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    I understand the concept of freedom of speech bird brain, however trying to enforce your own bigoted, hatefilled views of rest of the world goes well beyond ‘free speech’, you have no concept of ‘decency’ as you are just a self centred hate filled bigot. Get a life.

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  120. Kea (10,482 comments) says:

    Rowan, how was Cam – enforcing – his view by posting that article on his own private blog that required you to deliberately search it out and read it ? Do you go there simply to be offended so you can demand what he can say and what he can not ?

    You have no idea about the concept of freedom of speech.

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  121. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    To quote Bradbury Kea
    “You are better than this Kea. Barely. But you are.”

    And no I have not posted this on whales site, I am not going to tell him what he can and can’t say, he is reponsible for this and he is the one who lives with the consequences of publishing online hate columns.
    You are just a pathetic troll.

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  122. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    And meanwhile, Kim Schmidt (alias Dotcom) reads this blog and thinks,

    “Fuck, these sheeple are so effing stupid. If I kick in a few more bucks these fukin drongs will make me the next
    ambassador to the USA, then I really will be home and dry.”

    Was it Franz Kafka who said, ‘These fuckin drongs will discuss minusutae to an extent that is lamentable.” ?

    So effing embarrassing New Zealand.
    Goodnight nurse, at least i tried.

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  123. nasska (9,579 comments) says:

    Teacher asks the kids in her year 3 class: “What do you want to be when you grow up?” Little Johnny says: “I wanna be a billionaire, go to the most expensive clubs, get me the finest bitch, give her a Ferrari worth over a million bucks, an apartment in Copacabana, a mansion in Paris, a jet to travel throughout Europe, and an Infinite Visa Card, while banging her three times a day”. The teacher, shocked, and not knowing what to do with this horrible response from little Johnny, decides not to acknowledge what he said and simply tries to continue with the lesson… “And how about you, Sarah?” “I wanna be Johnny’s bitch”.

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  124. nasska (9,579 comments) says:

    Rowan

    ….”I am not going to tell him what he can and can’t say,”…..

    But you’re telling us what Whale can say……why not bring him up to speed with what you think he should print?

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  125. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    Nasska
    If you actually read the article it was Martyn Bradbury’s suggestion as to what Whale should say, bring this to his (Martyns) attention or post it on whales site if you want to get him “up to speed” with what he should print.

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  126. nasska (9,579 comments) says:

    You’re quoting Bradbury’s comment & endorsing it here on this forum Rowan. Go & tell Whale that you & your queer mate Bradbury disagree with him….the address is: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/02/tuesday-general-debate-21/

    Let’s know how you get on. :)

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  127. Colville (1,780 comments) says:

    The feral cnut deserved death…140 km/hr in a residential street…if he had stopped the car and walked he wouldnt be dead.

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  128. nasska (9,579 comments) says:

    Colville

    I’d like to see a tenth of the rage thrown at Whale be directed at the person who actually caused the passenger’s death.

    That is the driver who got pissed out of his head & demonstrated so well that he couldn’t drive a sharp stick up a dead dog’s arse never mind a car at 140kph.

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  129. Reid (15,626 comments) says:

    http://hillbuzz.org/is-barack-obama-gay

    Well duh.

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  130. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    Metiria Turei confirms she thinks National “deliberately keep them” poor and “the burden is borne by the kids”.

    That’s rich. It’s Labour and the Greens who would flick a few bills a week at the poor to keep them enslaved by welfare dependency.

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  131. Kea (10,482 comments) says:

    Time to go home guys.

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  132. RF (1,141 comments) says:

    Surprised that plug head Cosgrove and Mallard are keeping a low profile. I know that they were out of favour with the greasy fella in the pin stripe suit.

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  133. Duxton (547 comments) says:

    Whikiriwhi: great to see you back, bro!

    So, was the war criminal Monty Whikiriwhi a relative, or not?

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