Green Party member who stood for leader suspended

February 24th, 2014 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

The have announced:

The Green Party has suspended ’s membership for one year following an investigation into misconduct.

A panel found Mr Hay’s behaviour breached party rules, and recommended he be suspended for one year.

The panel’s recommendations are contained in a report (attached) released to the party’s executive and Mr Hay today.

The report recommended a “cooling down” period of one year, after which Mr Hay may reapply for membership.

Suspending a member is very rare. Unless the member does something such as stand for another party, it is rare for disciplinary action to reach this level.

While the report makes clear Hay has acted unwisely with some of his actions, they also find that he has a genuine grievance. Also of interest is they say:

We made it very clear that any member is entitled at any time to challenge for the leadership or any other position but asked if he had considered the effect on the party and the campaign of doing this in election year.

Which suggests that his decision to stand for leader, did play a part in the decision to suspend him. David Hay has done a release stating:

“For my part, I don’t resile from the statements I made in public, nor apologise for them. In summary these were:
• The Green Party is too weak in Auckland: it should have a co-leader based here, and at least 1/3 of the Green Party caucus should be Auckland-based.
• I was removed from the candidate pool because of a dirty smear campaign, led by senior members of the party. I concluded that the party co-leaders must have known about about this and approved of it, which is why I called for them both to resign.
• The main “smear” made against me was that I campaigned for the electorate vote in Epsom in 2011, contrary to party instructions. That allegation is untrue and is not supported by any evidence.”
“The Green party vote in Epsom increased from 6.93% in 2008 to 12.03% in 2011, and Epsom was one of only four electorates in Auckland that exceeded the national party vote of 11.1% for the Greens.”

Hay goes on to say he will not rejoin the Greens under its current leadership.

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36 Responses to “Green Party member who stood for leader suspended”

  1. OneTrack (3,376 comments) says:

    The greens true nature revealed? Again.

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  2. Keeping Stock (9,384 comments) says:

    And all the while, Russel Norman and Metiria Turei breach the Green Party’s values, especially the one that say “Engage respectfully, without personal attacks”, and no-one in the party bats an eyelid. It’s hippy-crisy, plain and simple, and not what one would expect from the Party of Principle.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/02/tweet-of-day-24022014.html

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  3. coge (190 comments) says:

    It’s becoming clear there are significant issues with the present leadership of the Greens.

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  4. Huevon (231 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t expect anything less from Russell Norman, a communist.

    “The report added: “He could be a valuable member after some reflection on what it takes to be part of a team.”

    Ouch.

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  5. emmess (1,398 comments) says:

    Sounds like a bit of re-education may be in order for Comrade Hay

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  6. Keeping Stock (9,384 comments) says:

    Heh; Duncan Garner has just called the Greens a “Stalinist cadre” and “if you disagree with them, you’re out”.

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  7. Ryan Sproull (7,361 comments) says:

    David Hay will be back after one month’s mysterious absence, eager to get behind the current party leadership and reporting no ill effects beyond a sudden strong aversion to hearing Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony.

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  8. iMP (2,457 comments) says:

    Based on the huge drop in support for the Greens in the most recent polls, I’d say after 2014 the Greens caucus could probably fit in a closet or maybe a kitchen. SUE THAT MAN!

    Or to put it another way, “unmake Hay while the sun shines.”

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  9. Nigel Kearney (1,100 comments) says:

    You can’t operate a socialist system without aggressively suppressing dissent. Niorman knows enough about history to understand that.

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  10. davidp (3,585 comments) says:

    Huevon>The report added: “He could be a valuable member after some reflection on what it takes to be part of a team.”

    If there was a Nobel Prize for Patronising Remarks, then the Greens would be walking away with the trophy this year.

    The Greens talk about being open and democratic. But criticise the leaders and you’ll have your reputation attacked in the media, you’ll be suspended like a naughty student caught smoking, and they’ll patronise you. What vile people! Not that I have any sympathy tho… If you hang out with Greens then you shouldn’t complain when they turn on you.

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  11. mandk (1,033 comments) says:

    Update:
    Before having him executed the great leader, Kim Jong Norman, declared: “the traitor Hay is worse than a dog”.

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  12. hj (7,184 comments) says:

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/12/01/fair-democracy-let-david-hay-speak-and-put-his-hand-up-fair-democracy-common-sense-and-strong-leadership-spoke-back/

    Radical Marama Davidson’s hanging David Hays picture upside down says it all.

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  13. davidp (3,585 comments) says:

    I’m reading the full report now. I’m a bit surprised about the main accusation which is that Hay campaigned too hard, and that he should have joined the rest of the party trying to manipulate the electorate vote. Shameful. But this bit really amazed me:

    “He says he is currently “on strike” and does not seem to recognise that the party has relieved him of any positions he held.”

    So the guy exercises his right to strike in order to protest his treatment, and the party sacks him and replaces him with scab labour. Try doing that if you run a port company or a freezing works.

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  14. kiwi in america (2,314 comments) says:

    The left’s true colours are revealed. This is being done for no other reason than stifling dissent – the Greens admit as much. Heck demote him from senior office, reduce his list ranking, send him to Coventry – that’s how most parties discipline someone who makes serious trouble. An outright suspension of membership is a very serious matter and you can count on the fingers of one hand party members actually expelled by National and Labour – Winston Peters for the former and John A Lee for the latter. Heck even Labour readmitted John Tamahere after he called the sisterhood front bums! Of course in true Orwellian doublespeak this is not an expulsion but a suspension with reinstatement after Hay admits he now loves Big Brother!

    This is Norman’s personal thin skin added to the socialists natural tendency to suppress dissent. People forget the Greens are watermelons and this is the red on the inside showing itself. Lenin would be proud.

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  15. jp_1983 (237 comments) says:

    If they do this to their own party members, just think what they will do to us?

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  16. Yoza (1,927 comments) says:

    kiwi in america (2,260 comments) says:
    February 24th, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    People forget the Greens are watermelons and this is the red on the inside showing itself. Lenin would be proud.

    There is something seriously wrong with you if you are this scared of the Green party, they are about as menacing as a bowl of custard. I’m curious, do you have a special plastic cover for your matress, KIA?

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  17. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    TOAD!…..where are you Toad.

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  18. OneTrack (3,376 comments) says:

    hj – “Radical Marama Davidson’s hanging David Hays picture upside down says it all.”

    Is an upside down picture the communist sign of an enemy of the people? Someone destined for the gulag?

    Creepy. The whole post was creepy actually. The totalitarian is strong in that one.

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  19. OneTrack (3,376 comments) says:

    Yoza – ” they are about as menacing as a bowl of custard.”

    That’s what they told David Hay and Colin Craig. Nek minnut.

    10:10

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  20. smttc (767 comments) says:

    Actually Ryan, you fucked that up. It was Beethoven’s ninth.

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  21. Huevon (231 comments) says:

    @ hj

    Hooolllyyy crap..can anyone not read that blog post and not hear the ghostly hectoring of a long dead and forgotten Stalinist…”Trotskyist!”, “Capitalist-roader!”, “Fifth Columnist!!”

    I mean, if it wasn’t so serious it would be a perfect piece of parody. I”m thinking Pravda announcing the conclusion of a show trial. Look at the way she effortlessly tags together vague jargon “thoughtful leadership”, “fair democracy”. Who is this addressed to? The “general populace”? The fawning platitudes towards the “strong leadership” (her loyalty is beyond doubt). My God, the whole thing is terrifying…and these people may govern us come November??!!

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  22. kiwi in america (2,314 comments) says:

    Yoza
    David Hay challenged Norman and Turei for the leadership because he felt the Greens under representation and lack of effort in greater Auckland (effectively almost 1/3 of NZ’s population) was holding the party back. That sounds like the kind of robust debate that all DEMOCRATIC parties have internally. For his achievement of more than doubling of the Green PARTY vote (you know the one that helps them get more MPS into Parliament) in Epsom, he was accused of spending too much time building the Green electorate vote there. His real crime was taking the shine off dear co-Leaders and allowing negative media coverage of said virginal pure leaders.

    The Greens have sold themselves as above the fray of grubby party politics, of a fresh new democratic way. Their meetings, literature and website all preach inclusion and their tortuous processes are supposed to be so transparent and democratic. The reality is that democracy was far from Norman and Turei’s minds as was transparency. Rather than have the internal debate (like Labour had) and allow the Green party membership to assess the merits of Mr Hay’s challenge, he was kicked out of the party with the ‘suggestion’ he go get some re-education which is code for: learn to STFU and support the leaders!

    Coming from your hard left background I can see how this Orwellian conduct would seem “as menacing as a bowl of custard”.

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  23. Martin Gibson (248 comments) says:

    KIA . . . Although I can’t understand why someone who describes themselves as an anarchist would not find people who want to ban and control so many things menacing. Marama Davidson’s initial comment in the creepy blog post with Mr Haye’s inverted picture is telling: “I have always known we are a clever bunch and this is confirmed by the many of (sic) who are not buying into this media manipulation”.
    Translation: “I know things and look for evidence to corroborate the truthiness of said gut feelings”. That lady can’t wait to start breaking eggs to make glorious omelette.

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  24. OneTrack (3,376 comments) says:

    martin – “why someone who describes themselves as an anarchist ”

    There seems to be a few who describe themselves as “anarchist”, who do so because it sounds “hip” (a la rick?), but as soon as they open their mouth, it becomes clear that they are really big state communists.

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  25. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    The Green bubble is unique in politics. Inside the party the leaders are praised, lauded, virtually worshipped.

    There is plenty of criticism from outside the bubble but Greens tend to be so convinced of and supported in their righteousness (or lefteousness) that they shrug this off as unfair and invalid. An internal critic has been seen as a class traitor.

    The boy who pointed out the co-emperors clothes were a bit shabby has been sent to the naughty corner.

    The Norman/Turei Greens certainly seem more high and mighty and less down to earth than the Fitzsimons/Donald version.

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  26. kiwi in america (2,314 comments) says:

    Agreed Martin. The left lack self reflection because they live in echo chambers and surround themselves with like minded ideologues. Whilst the right are not averse to self selecting their sources and media they consume, many more on the right live in the real world interacting with the politically neutral swing voters and they are more prone to knowing their enemy’s literature and thus the better read on the right are far better at intellectually combatting their equivalents on the left. I have a close family member who is a well credentialed academic who is utterly steeped in leftist thinking cloaking her arguments in the tedious language of oppression, racism, sexism and colonialism. They talk to you in slogans and try to deconstruct all arguments through their narrow world filter which is so easily pierced. When its obvious they are losing they retreat to name calling, abuse, ad hominem attacks and nasty epithets like homophobe or racist and even reputable neutral sources to back your arguments are dismissed and ignored. It comes as no surprise that they want to shut off dissent and use Orwellian tactics to achieve it.

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  27. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    This is left-wing democracy!

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  28. WineOh (636 comments) says:

    Greens personality politics sinks to a new low. Talk about playing the man, not the message!

    Regarding Epsom results, one could argue that a large part of an increase in that electorate could be attributed to a protest vote against ACT rather than pro-Greens.

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  29. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    Don’t bring your undemocratic practices to our country.

    You might suppress human rights in China but you can’t do it here.

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  30. Yoza (1,927 comments) says:

    kiwi in america (2,262 comments) says:
    February 25th, 2014 at 7:23 am

    Agreed Martin. The left lack self reflection because they live in echo chambers…

    The vast majority of my internet commenting is on Kiwiblog, what left-wing blog do you comment on KIA?
    Western democracies are designed specifically to prevent actual democracy breaking out, the Greens are easily the most openly democratic of all the major political parties. New Zealand’s parliamentary process requires a degree of conformity which would tear apart a party struggling with unity, Hay was never going to make co-leader of the Greens and his continued presence within the ranks would be a disruptive influence. Any other political party would have done exactly the same, but not so openly.

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  31. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    “The Norman/Turei Greens certainly seem more high and mighty and less down to earth than the Fitzsimons/Donald version.”

    I agree Pete. I never agreed with Fitzsimons and Donald but I do believe they were basiclly decent people, misguided but decent, and they really did believe that the Greens should rise above political ad hominem.

    Norman however is a dangerous Stalinist nutjob and I fear for NZ if he and his comrades are allowed anywhere near political power. John Key should really highlight, repeatedly over the next months, how dangerous the current Green leadership is, and challenge Labour about how much Cunliffe is prepared to give them to get the PM’s job.

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  32. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    “Western democracies are designed specifically to prevent actual democracy breaking out”

    Rubbish. There is no such thing as “actual democracy”. What you see is what you get. Democracy is a flawed system that always enlarges the State at the expense of liberty and property rights. But there is no “true” democracy waiting in the wings, and your own political ideology is just thinly disguised Stalinism, not democracy in any form.

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  33. Yoza (1,927 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (131 comments) says:
    February 25th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    [Yoza]“Western democracies are designed specifically to prevent actual democracy breaking out”

    Rubbish. There is no such thing as “actual democracy”. What you see is what you get. Democracy is a flawed system that always enlarges the State at the expense of liberty and property rights. But there is no “true” democracy waiting in the wings, and your own political ideology is just thinly disguised Stalinism, not democracy in any form.

    I was thinking of a more participatory model as opposed to the current ‘representative’ façade which promotes the interests of foreign and domestic corporates at the expense of everyone else. It is just plain silly to pretend there is no alternative to the present feeding frenzy for the rich.

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  34. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    “as opposed to the current ‘representative’ façade which promotes the interests of foreign and domestic corporates at the expense of everyone else. It is just plain silly to pretend there is no alternative to the present feeding frenzy for the rich.”

    Your fantasy here does not describe reality. There is no “feeding frenzy” for the “rich.” There is a feeding frenzy of those on welfare and other state supported “jobs” feeding off the productive.

    All forms of democracy are just excuses and mechanisms for the unproductive to steal from the productive. All forms of democracy are forms of legalised theft.

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  35. Yoza (1,927 comments) says:

    ShawnLH (135 comments) says:
    February 25th, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    Your fantasy here does not describe reality. There is no “feeding frenzy” for the “rich.” There is a feeding frenzy of those on welfare and other state supported “jobs” feeding off the productive.

    So how is it that it is only the rich who keep getting richer?

    All forms of democracy are just excuses and mechanisms for the unproductive to steal from the productive. All forms of democracy are forms of legalised theft.

    I’m guessing, then, you are plugging for some sort of totalitarian dictatorship? Good luck with that! :)

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  36. KiwiGreg (3,279 comments) says:

    “So how is it that it is only the rich who keep getting richer?”

    You must have missed the last few thousand years.

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