How about tasers?

February 5th, 2014 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

Auckland Council wants more power to ban and penalise at intersections.

The washers are already banned under a bylaw, and offenders can be fined up to $20,000.

But the council says the sanctions are costly, complex and ineffective, and it wants the Government to change the law so it can issue infringement notices – possibly in the form of spot fines.

Under the present law, it must get police to confiscate washers’ equipment or prosecute them.

Councillors yesterday unanimously backed a proposed law amendment that would allow the council to specify bylaw breaches that would result in an infringement notice.

I’ve got a better solution. . Just taser any windscreen washer that enters an intersection. That will solve the problem.

The washers are a sophisticated form of intimidation. They provide a so called service you did not ask for or want, and then intimidate you into paying for it.

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35 Responses to “How about tasers?”

  1. xy (187 comments) says:

    Sounds like the free market at play. Why do you hate entrepeneurism? Fucking nanny state wowserism.

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  2. unaha-closp (1,165 comments) says:

    So they are like the IRD, can we taser them too?

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  3. chris (647 comments) says:

    When I read that article this morning, I asked my wife how the council thinks they can possibly ticket these people with an infringement notice. For a start, the window washer can just run away. And secondly, they can just make up a name and address. We don’t have number plates like cars do, so no way to actually identify anyone, other than by their own co-operation.

    And you missed this pearler of an idea from a councillor:

    He suggested the washing could be regulated. Washers could get licences to work at specified intersections, and could wear a uniform and follow a code of conduct.

    For a start, I think the vast majority of people don’t want window washers at intersections anyway. And no doubt the cost of regulation would far outweigh the income brought in from issuing the license so the poor ratepayer would be footing the bill, as usual. And then what happens to the ones who aren’t licensed? Issue an infringement notice? Oh wait, I already talked about how daft that is…

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  4. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    How about Charl Fourie’s Blaster?

    http://blog.beforward.jp/car-review/remember-bmw-blaster-south-africas-flamethrowing-car.html

    Or man the fuck up and get a car with no windscreen. Windscreens are for ladies. Don’t be a lady.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1929_Bentley_front_34_right.jpg

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  5. gump (1,650 comments) says:

    @RRM

    “Or man the fuck up and get a car with no windscreen. Windscreens are for ladies. Don’t be a lady.”

    ———————-

    The vehicle you linked has two distinct windscreens.

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  6. iMP (2,387 comments) says:

    Windscreen washing and socialist taxes. ‘Services’ we don’t ask for and intimidation to pay.

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  7. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    disagree DPF, they are not a form of intimidation at all.

    there are some on willis st just before the motorway on ramp.

    usually i say no when they wander up and offer to clean my window, and they just shrug and wander off. The times i wanted my window cleaned, they did a good job worth a couple bucks which i happily gave them.

    sure if there are dickheads trying to intimidate people into using their service, thats an issue, but that is not an issue with the window washers in general, but an issue with intimidation in any sphere.

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  8. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    They provide a so called service you did not ask for or want, and then intimidate you into paying for it.

    Sounds like the government !

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  9. Ryan Sproull (7,205 comments) says:

    I’ve never had a problem with saying no to windscreen cleaners.

    I wouldn’t call them a sophisticated form of intimidation. If anything, I’d say it’s begging with a bit of effort thrown in, like busking.

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  10. Nigel Kearney (1,019 comments) says:

    The first two posters are both dead right. Windscreen washers are no problem but I can definitely get behind he idea of tasering people who provide a so called service I did not ask for or want, and then intimidate me into paying for it. Hand me the taser and line all government MPs up against a wall. Everyone else bring popcorn.

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  11. redqueen (567 comments) says:

    Tasering them just might be an excessive use of force…This isn’t Texas…

    That said, if it leads to tasers be de-classified as a Category R weapon, now that’s a different matter…oh wait, still not Texas!

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  12. dubya (236 comments) says:

    “The washers are a sophisticated form of intimidation”

    I think you are being too kind, David. It’s hard to be sophisticated with half your teeth, green ink tattoos and a raging addiction to Selleys’ finest.

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  13. dog_eat_dog (781 comments) says:

    Why can’t we treat it as vandalism? I don’t want anyone to interfere with my vehicle, including window washers or cyclists leaning on it at red lights. Private property is just that: private.

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  14. berend (1,711 comments) says:

    The vocal proponent of making proposition legal:

    DPF: Prostitutes are a sophisticated form of intimidation. They provide a so called service you did not ask for or want, and then proposition you into paying for it.

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  15. Longknives (4,764 comments) says:

    All these people coming on here saying “They don’t bother me” or “I’ve never had any problem with them”are missing the point.
    These dropkicks often use intimidating and aggressive behaviour to get money from people who maybe can’t stand up for themselves- I know of older female relatives who are terrified of them and give them cash to make them go away.
    The point being that while you or I can easily tell them to fuck off maybe it’s not so easy for Grandma in her Honda City..

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  16. Goldsmith (27 comments) says:

    Maybe they can regularly offer to wash the Auckland Council’s Ngati Whatua room windows instead,… should take less than a couple of minutes.

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  17. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    the seller of any product or service that uses intimidation is an issue, not window washers in general.

    i have never needed to say fuck off to them. they wander up, catch my eye, gesture with the bottle and i shake my head. they then go away. wow what intimidation.

    if they (or anyone else) is using intimidation to get money off people, that is theft and is already illegal.

    if they are offering a service with no intimidation and you are too cowardly to say no thats your problem not theirs.

    what makes them dropkicks? sure they look pretty rough (but no rougher than people i hung out with when i was 20), but they are being entrepreneurial, finding a niche, offering a service and making money. i don’t see the issue.

    i can see why statists will hate it as its something they dont currently control, but if its a willing exchange of services then leave it the hell alone.

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  18. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Would far prefer these enterprising people to Lecher Len. At least they can be seen, not skulking in ratepayer-funded rooms with hired harlots.

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  19. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    at times like this i think.. “what would alan b’stard do?” :D

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  20. seanmaitland (501 comments) says:

    @dubya “I think you are being too kind, David. It’s hard to be sophisticated with half your teeth, green ink tattoos and a raging addiction to Selleys’ finest.

    I bet you’ve never even seen a window washer, I pass them 10-15 times a week in Manukau and have never seen any remotely like that.

    This is hilarious coming from people living in Wellington, trying to comment on something in Auckland that they have little real experience of. Theres no intimidation, unless you are so scared of other people that you can’t lift your hand up and say “no thanks mate”.

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  21. seanmaitland (501 comments) says:

    @longknives – “All these people coming on here saying “They don’t bother me” or “I’ve never had any problem with them”are missing the point.
    These dropkicks often use intimidating and aggressive behaviour to get money from people who maybe can’t stand up for themselves- I know of older female relatives who are terrified of them and give them cash to make them go away.
    The point being that while you or I can easily tell them to fuck off maybe it’s not so easy for Grandma in her Honda City..”

    Absolute rubbish there – simply saying No works every single time. What are they going to do, chase the little old lady’s car down the street at 50 km/hr and get in and assault her?

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  22. dubya (236 comments) says:

    @Sean – I live in Saint Marys Bay and work on Queen Street. I get to meet them at the intersections of Hobson, Nelson and Victoria daily if I’m lucky, and trust me they are no oil painting, unless you count the oil based paint on their upper lip…

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  23. mikemikemikemike (325 comments) says:

    So when one of your survey monkeys calls me can I assault their ears with one of those rape whistles?

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  24. johnwellingtonwells (137 comments) says:

    Washing screens with dirty water

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  25. Ryan Sproull (7,205 comments) says:

    I think you are being too kind, David. It’s hard to be sophisticated with half your teeth, green ink tattoos and a raging addiction to Selleys’ finest.

    A prime candidate for mockery, rather than compassion, to be sure.

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  26. peterwn (3,275 comments) says:

    Now, now, now David. This will get Marie Dyhrberg (Auckland lawyer opposed to tasers) all upset.

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  27. Left Right and Centre (2,986 comments) says:

    What gives them the authority to set up a business on a public road and approach motorists offering a service ? The roads are for road users to travel on and that’s it. For people with dirty windscreens – pull into a service station or wash it at home or have some way of cleaning the windscreen with tools kept in the vehicle.

    How many windscreen-washers pay any tax ? They’re not covered by any workplace laws – there’s no receipts for their work – they don’t pay for insurance or ACC. There’s no process if a customer is not satisfied or should issues arise – there’s no name or business name given.

    There’s no way to avoid them. You can try alternate routes. They’re on the road. At intersections. It’s a total stressful pain in the arse having to deal with them. And dealing with lowlife scum with no manners and borderline criminal mentality. They’ve got nothing to lose, unlike you. Dangerous. You’re in your valuable property, which they can damage. It’s lose-lose.

    Longknives has nailed it. They prey on the weak. I like Ryan Sproull’s comment – they are similar to buskers. Buskers however require a licence from their local authority and there are conditions attached.

    These are the down-and-outs of society looking for any way they can to extract money from softy suckers.

    And some NZders will give them the money whether their windscreen is filthy or they are test driving a brand new freshly detailed vehicle. At that point both parties pass a subtle but knowing nod to each other. It’s bleeding heart charity. Begging.

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  28. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    Oh FFS!

    Who is intimidated by these people?

    As they approach simply shake your head and make it obvious that you do not want their service, it works for me every time.

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  29. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    Gump

    An aero screen is nothing at all like a windscreen. It is more akin to the windscreen on a modern sport bike – it’s there to keep the driven rain off your instruments, nothing more.

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  30. Steve (North Shore) (4,564 comments) says:

    Intimidated? offended? HTFU.
    I pay them if the windscreen needs a clean, I wave them no if I do not want the service. They are doing a job, not sitting on fat lazy arses. I think the problem is envy. These guys are making a buck, the Council and IRD are seeing unpaid Tax – greedy little snivelling socialists.
    Stop a man from working – way to go!!!

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  31. eszett (2,417 comments) says:

    berend (1,556 comments) says:
    February 5th, 2014 at 2:19 pm
    The vocal proponent of making proposition legal:

    DPF: Prostitutes are a sophisticated form of intimidation. They provide a so called service you did not ask for or want, and then proposition you into paying for it.

    Is that what you tell your wife, berend? You really, really didn’t want their service, but they forced you to use it.

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  32. Daigotsu (459 comments) says:

    Jesus, DPF

    I presume you are joking about the tasers, but your contempt for these people is a bit much. They are just trying to provide a service. Anybody who is intimidated by them just needs to grow a spine, not demand the government leap in to legislate away their vague unease.

    For somebody who is a proud “classic liberal” and in favour of drug and prostitution legalisation, I find your argument pretty specious.

    I guarantee you that the discomfort people feel due to drug use is about ten thousand times that of windscreen washers, and yet you advocate for that being legal (and rightly too).

    Bottom line, they are not hurting anyone, so why not let them get to it?

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  33. MH (762 comments) says:

    they will just squat on your berm with scissors next.. All lights at intersections should be turned off and let market forces do the work.

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  34. KevinH (1,229 comments) says:

    @MH
    That’s a great idea, can the window guys do berms as well?, they would make a killing in Auks. By the way I’m not fussed one iota by the guys working intersections, that sort of initiative is what this country needs.

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  35. laworder (292 comments) says:

    seanmaitland wrote
    @dubya “I think you are being too kind, David. It’s hard to be sophisticated with half your teeth, green ink tattoos and a raging addiction to Selleys’ finest.

    I bet you’ve never even seen a window washer, I pass them 10-15 times a week in Manukau and have never seen any remotely like that.

    This is hilarious coming from people living in Wellington, trying to comment on something in Auckland that they have little real experience of. Theres no intimidation, unless you are so scared of other people that you can’t lift your hand up and say “no thanks mate”.

    The intersection of Gt South Rd and Te Irirangi/Cavendish Drive has two that between them would match David’s rather apt description – amazing that you have not encountered them, I have a few times and I dont even live in the area, only pass through on the way East from South. I have seen them intimidate elderly/ Asian people exactly as described by Left Right and Centre and others here. Reported them to *555, dont know if anything got done. They arent the only ones either.

    When windscreen washers first appeared I didnt mind and took the view that Daigotsu and KevinH do, they were not an issue. However in the last few years there are too many ferals out there that have latched onto it as an income stream to feed their addictions, and they are a different matter, aggressive and filthy. I suspect if we rounded up all the worst ferals and seperated them from people then it would go back to how it used to be, not to mention a huge range of other more important desirable outcomes for society.

    I have found one thing that usually works quite well is to run my windscreen washer and wipers as they approach – usually also far more effective anyway.

    Regards
    Peter Jenkins
    http://www.sst.org.nz

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