In bed with the bloggers

February 24th, 2014 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

An interesting article on election year and bloggers in the Herald on Sunday.

I was interviewed for the article, but I think what I said didn’t fit in with the general angle, so none of my quotes were included. I rejected the notion pushed by Bradbury that the old rules are gone, and that there is licence to be incredibly vicious. I also rejected that I have a blog persona that is different to whom I am in real life. In fact in an interesting conversation with the journalist, I ended up agreeing that the “blog” me is closer to the real me, than the TV or radio me, as the blog is my territory, while on TV and radio I am mindful that I am a guest and I guess on my “guest” behaviour.

Anyway an interesting article. And congrats to Whale for winning the Netguide Award. It would have been a travesty if he had not won this year.

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26 Responses to “In bed with the bloggers”

  1. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    Interesting that you were interviewed for it DPF, and then ignored because you didn’t fit the story. It was all based on the lead paragraph:

    But is there a softer side to these abrasive, divisive voices? Nah, naff off.

    Milne deliberately ignored many softer voices (although he tried to depict Graeme Edgeler as an activist.

    There’s been a lot of comment about how narrowly the story focussed and how it didn’t reflect the overall blogosphere well at all.

    There was no mention any female bloggers. There’s quite a few if you look – see Are there any female bloggers?

    Whale pointed out a number of mistakes, and Judith Collins pointed out an incorrect claim about her – this paragraph was deleted late yesterday afternoon.

    There’s certainly loud, brash and vicious prominent in the blogosphere, but there’s far more and often better than that.

    The strength of the blogosphere can be accessibility and transparency. It is as easy to confront crap as it is to spew it. If enough people push for a far better – and more effective – political forum then we will get it. Political thugs will remain and will be loud, but it can be made much better.

    Herald on bloggers – odd man out

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  2. Dean Papa (743 comments) says:

    “I rejected the notion pushed by Bradbury that the old rules are gone, and that there is licence to be incredibly vicious”

    AND

    “It would have been a travesty if he had not won this year.”

    Irony meter is off the scale!!!

    [DPF: Whale doesn't deserve the win for his style. He deserves it for breaking three major stories - the Brown affair, the Dotcom Party strategy and the secret visits by party leaders to Dotcom's mansion]

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  3. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  4. mandk (823 comments) says:

    While I think that it is good for the blogosphere to be full of robust debate and even the odd insult, I don’t believe there should be any room for personal abuse or general viciousness.

    Kiwiblog is generally great, although it has been infected on occasion by angry trolls.

    Here’s wishing our absent friends a more temperate future!

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  5. Peter (1,578 comments) says:

    Dinosaur bloggers (MSM) vs new bloggers (Whale, Kiwi, et al).

    The dinosaurs like to tell “a story”. Talk down to us. They are the oracles, we are the kids who will be “informed”. They will control the message.

    Meh.

    The new bloggers allow discussion. It is through discussion we achieve insight. The message is no longer controlled.

    Be gone, MSM dinosaurs.

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  6. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Fucking cry baby.

    “I don’t want to talk about it,” Slater says. “It was a painful part of life. I don’t want to pick scabs that don’t need to be picked … You guys ran the story and it caused unending grief for a long time.”

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  7. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    Fair call Dean. I think Bradbury sees himself as the Whale of the left so maybe that’s why he sees viciousness as the way to go.

    But Whale got voted into the finals – and it figures that the most popular blog has a good chance of getting in. And he has arguably been the most influential blogger.

    Whale is evolving. If he retires his excesses he will get better.

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  8. Bovver (144 comments) says:

    Anonymity and the internet allow people to be complete arseholes.

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  9. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    And they’re allowed to by people who accept and encourage it Bovver. More people need to challenge the arsehole behaviours.

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  10. DJP6-25 (1,270 comments) says:

    I’m glad Whale oil won the award. It was richly deserved. Peter @2.27 PM is entirely correct about dinosaur bloggers.

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  11. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    The new bloggers allow discussion. It is through discussion we achieve insight. The message is no longer controlled.

    Some bloggers allow it, some control the message. And some commenters try to stifle and bash reasonable discussion.

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  12. Dean Papa (743 comments) says:

    Well said Pete, couldn’t agree with you more dude! I’m tired of the anonymous cowards who hide behind their pseudonyms and tell us they need to because of their public profile or important job or reputation or whatever.

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  13. RRM (9,471 comments) says:

    Bloggers don’t just say things, they do things. That is, perhaps, a key characteristic that distinguishes their work from most journalists’. They are activists.

    :lol: LOL

    Whereas Journos are squeaky-clean and impartial, right?

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  14. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    And those who are so brave they quietly downtick anyone who criticises their bullying behaviour.

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  15. doggone7 (704 comments) says:

    Bovver; “Anonymity and the internet allow people to be complete arseholes.”

    So at the risk of being condemned for my anonymity I would suggest (in my most polite way of course) that the Whale is probably in line for other awards to go with his Netguide Award. He must be a hot candidate for Proctologist Awards or the Gynaecology Gongs too.

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  16. gump (1,488 comments) says:

    @Whale

    “You guys ran the story and it caused unending grief for a long time.”

    ————————–

    I’m intrigued that Whale seemingly blames the Herald for his grief – instead of blaming himself for having the affair.

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  17. BeaB (2,060 comments) says:

    I suspect there are many like me – have read newspapers all our lives and watched TV news but now turn to you and Whaleoil to get the full story. Our media are so partial in what they say, they unthinkingly regurgitate whatever they are told, there is no fact-checking and often the story as it is told is just untrue. They are generally a disgrace.

    Last night Colin Dann attributed some of the poll results to the ‘vagrancies’ of something or other in his usual bumbling, shallow analysis.

    Thank goodness for you two.

    Even The Standard is good for a laugh if only to reassure myself that a good education and a healthy dose of scepticism really do make a difference.

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  18. Peter (1,578 comments) says:

    Some bloggers allow it, some control the message. And some commenters try to stifle and bash reasonable discussion.

    FrogBlog, The Standard….

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  19. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    …and The Daily Blog, also Dim-Post and does anyone remember Red Alert? The life was squeezed out of it by a couple of paranoid MPs.

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  20. nasska (10,680 comments) says:

    Just make one slightly unkind comment that might hurt the feelings of the beloved Messiah, dare I type his name, Colin Craig & see what the Godnutters on this forum think of free speech & reasonable discussion. :)

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  21. alwyn (380 comments) says:

    Peter @3.26pm and Peter George at 3.29pm

    I don’t think you are being quite fair when you put Frogblog in the same category as the Standard.
    It seems to be quite hard to get banned from Frogblog, although you will get quite a lot of comments from their regulars claiming that your statements are false. They don’t give any evidence as to why that might be true but they don’t ban you.

    I also haven’t observed Dim-Post being terribly quick on the trigger either. I haven’t observed people being banned there and I have had perfectly reasonable responses from danylmc to my (non-flattering) comments.

    The Standard on the other hand, at least in the persona of lprent will ban people very freely. I am not sure whether his medications are not properly in balance or whether he is just trying to make himself feel powerful in an otherwise very dull and insignificant life. By the middle of the year I expect him to have banished everyone who doesn’t worship at the feet of his Messiah, the sainted silent T.

    Is Red Alert still going? They were the ultimate in refusing to accept views that did not come out of the Mallard/Curran list of acceptable paradigms. I think that, before they simply became totally irrelevant, they had banned everyone who actually put forward an idea. I haven’t looked there for ages and had, as I noted at the start of this para, forgotten that they were even in existence.
    I, like most people, had a lifetime ban for what were pretty innocuous comments that seemed to upset the mad cyclist.

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  22. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    I have very limited experience with Flogblog so don’t know what it’s like there.

    I also haven’t observed Dim-Post being terribly quick on the trigger either. I haven’t observed people being banned there

    That’s because it just happens without any sign of it on the blog. That’s how it happened to me, I was just cut while the attacks continued in my absence. It took a long time for Danyl to acknowledge that he’d even banned me.

    I don’t know what it’s like for anyone else because of the silent censorship. At least lprent does it very much in the open.

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  23. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    Re Red Alert, last time I looked Curran was the only one posting much and there was a small band of dedicated loyals left commenting.

    I had a dig at Clare about it recently when she was promoting transparency, she said I should ask if I wanted unbanned. I didn’t see any point and it’s not my blog that is withering away. Even Labour isn’t interested any more, they blog through proxies at The Standard instead.

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  24. Peter (1,578 comments) says:

    I’ve been banned from Frogblog. I’d been politely fisking them. No explanation given.

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  25. RightNow (6,676 comments) says:

    Red Alert hahahahaha. Thanks, I needed a laugh.

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  26. wreck1080 (3,734 comments) says:

    the photo of cam was pretty bad. Did he do that for a joke or were they being mean?

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