More shark jumping

February 17th, 2014 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

NewstalkZB reports:

has suspicions the Government’s paying someone to keep tabs on other Party leaders, following revelations of Winston Peters visiting the Dotcom mansion.

Oh dear God. This is almost comical. Look at the nice political party jump over the horrible shark, like Fonzie did.

John Key has admitted he heard about the visits from right-wing blogger Cameron Slater.

A big surprise, as Cameron wrote about the visits a couple of weeks ago.

Mr Cunliffe doesn’t believe it’s as innocent as that.

“More likely it’s some form of private individual and one can only speculate of the relationship between the National Party, that blogger and whoever else is doing the work.”

David Cunliffe wants to know where the information came from in the first place – and if MPs have been tailed.

People gave Colin Craig a lot of (deserved) shit for not ruling out moon landing conspiracies on the spot. Well how much worse is it when the Leader of the Opposition openly muses paranoid about MPs being tailed by Government paid spies.

I mean seriously. This is even more demented than the GCSB being the source of the info on Winston’s visits.

Tags: ,

52 Responses to “More shark jumping”

  1. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    John Key has admitted he heard about the visits from right-wing blogger Cameron Slater.

    And the Herald’s gossip columnist reported it first.

    Perhaps David Cunliffe should call for an investigation into this so-called “media”, a shady group said to have “sources” and “leads” and who write reports in “newspapers”. Sometimes, even accurate ones.

    Popular. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 32 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  2. tas (625 comments) says:

    This is crazy. How many people would notice Winston Peters visiting the dotcom mansion? Peters’ office staff, Dotcom’s staff, the taxi driver, dotcom’s neighbours. There are dozens of people who could be Cam’s source.

    Vote: Thumb up 15 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  3. Pete George (23,578 comments) says:

    Cunliffe had kept in the background while Trevor Mallard, Grant Robertson, Mike Smith, Lynn Prentice, Greg Presland et al pushed the Dotcom/Winston line that Key used the GCSB to spy on Winston.

    This is just as absurd – but it confirms that either all along or belatedly Cunliffe has joined the Dotcom fan club and approves of the Labour lines of attack.

    Cunliffe joins Dotcom conspiracy campaign

    Vote: Thumb up 14 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  4. Yoza (1,879 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

    Unpopular. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 50 You need to be logged in to vote
  5. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    This is exactly the sort of issue that The Cunliffe will spout between now and the election. He cannot win based on the economy or any standard mainstream issue all of which are improving under National. He needs red herrings by the dozen to shift the focus from how well we are doing to an issue of his fevered imagination. Any denial is seen by some as cover up. He needs to be made a figure of fun.

    Popular. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 26 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  6. Morgy (172 comments) says:

    Dear Yoza, Bullshit!

    Popular. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 22 Thumb down 2 You need to be logged in to vote
  7. Pete George (23,578 comments) says:

    Remember that Peters claimed to have visited three times over two years. Cunliffe effectively claims Key spied on Winston for two years. Nuts.

    Popular. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 23 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  8. radvad (765 comments) says:

    And this turkey has the cheek to ask us to make him Prime Minister. I am not sure if it is hilarious or scary.

    Vote: Thumb up 18 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  9. peterwn (3,273 comments) says:

    John Key just has Cam. Helen Clark had a whole network of informal spies around departments at taxpayers’ expense and they are still working for Labour / Greens.

    Popular. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 27 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  10. Cunningham (844 comments) says:

    How embarassing. How much of a disappointment must this guy be for left supporters? After all the hype he is just making a fool of himself again and again.

    Vote: Thumb up 17 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  11. Cunningham (844 comments) says:

    Yoza (1,184 comments) says:

    “This is an excellent example for the reason Key should never have allowed a close family friend to assume control of New Zealand’s most invasive spy agency”

    Who says he is a close family friend? Apart from the delusional left?

    Popular. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 26 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  12. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    What an apology for a loser.

    Vote: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  13. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Desperate people do desperate things.

    And it’s increasingly clear that Cunliffe is becoming more and more desperate to try and paint John Key as something evil and to try and paint himself as a PM in waiting.

    So I suspect this year we’ll see more of the same… such as people rummaging through the PM’s rubbish / Mike Williams rushing off to Melbourne to try and expose some mythical sin from the past / a smear campaign based on lies, bluster, innuendo etc.

    For the left this is a well trodden path. Because when you’re totally devoid of any credible alternate policy, the only thing left is to try and discredit the incumbent.

    Popular. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 20 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  14. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Last week the left had possibly the most disastrous week in politics, ever, anywhere. But somehow Cunliffe managed to stay away fromthe corruption promised by Norman and Peters, and the sheer lunacy of the conspiracy theorists led by Dotcom, Norman, Peters, Robertson, and The Standard. I thought this was quite astute, so I’m baffled as to why he has aligned himself with the tinfoil hat brigade.

    Last week, the left were accusing Key of using the GCSB to spy on Peters. Whereas sober people realised that Peters’ secret meetings had already been reported by Whaleoil and in the Herald.

    This week we’re supposed to believe that Key has someone posted outside Dotcom’s modest rented home, photographing people coming and going and then passing their identities to Slater. Or something equally bizarre. Whereas sober people realise that if Dotcom isn’t paying his contractors then he probably isn’t paying his staff regularly either, that his bodyguards have already quit, and a disgruntled employee or ex-employee is probably doing the leaking.

    Popular. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 20 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  15. Fentex (980 comments) says:

    While I concur Cunliffe is being silly and ultimately making himself look foolish and immature and therefore undermining his credibility to the wider electorate as a Prime Minister there is a lot more reason in current climes for people to feel paranoid about government and worry about it’s spying proclivities.

    So I think you can kinda of understand why an opposition might think there’s a vein of discomfort to mine there, though it seems they haven’t the elegance or wit to do it well enough to score any palpable hits but on themselves.

    Vote: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 8 You need to be logged in to vote
  16. King Kong (41 comments) says:

    It’s true! I have been employed by the Government to spy on Cunliffe. Quite frankly it is the worst job in the world as I spend most of my day watching Cunners having felatio performed on him by Greg Presland.

    Popular. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 22 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  17. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    Yozza
    Key knew Ian Fletcher from his time at Burnside High but was a contemporary of his younger brother. That doesn’t make him his friend. Time to take your tin foil hat off (again).

    This is desperation from Cunliffe courtesy of his and Labour’s poor showing in the Fairfax poll after the baby bonus bribe failed. Labour still think making shite up about John Key is an election winner for them since announcing their own policies isn’t working.

    Popular. Like or Dislike: Thumb up 31 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  18. Joanne (177 comments) says:

    I think Cunliffe has lost the plot. I think he is now officially in gaga land. He needs desperate help. First he wants Key under the table, then he wants fashion advice from Judith Collins, now he sees people following him.

    But many in Labour are. A senior Labour person asked why Slater and Key talked because Key didn’t talk to them. Cameron is the son of John Slater former National president, JK is the leader of National. Join the dots. It’s no conspiracy, it called knowing each other for a long time.

    Next Cunliffe will be saying he knows Frank Underwood personally. Or in light of his comments, that JK knows Frank Underwood personally. Groan.

    The only good thing is it’s fun winding Greens/Labour up in a non-serious way. The only sad thing is people believe Labour/Greens.

    The

    Vote: Thumb up 18 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  19. Simon (725 comments) says:

    In the real world this allegation would require evidence.

    Cunnlife is making a play for the sheeple. (step right up Yoza ev- i- dence look it up) He will be doing a lot of that over the coming months.

    The real world vs Cunnlife fantasies. Fantasy is a central left wing policy theme.

    Vote: Thumb up 16 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  20. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Do we know if Cunliffe has suffered a concussion of some kind?

    At the moment he comes across as a barely functioning retard.

    What happened to him? He cant be thick, he went to harvard business school!

    Vote: Thumb up 18 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  21. Rick Rowling (813 comments) says:

    I think Cunliffe has lost the plot. I think he is now officially in gaga land.

    That would be in The-Standard-Land.

    Only there could information previously published in blogs & newspapers “only come from shady GCSB dealings”.

    I think the accurate psychological term is groupthink.

    Vote: Thumb up 16 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  22. srylands (410 comments) says:

    I am reminded of Mark Latham, who many of you will recall had the world at his feet in 2003 with a 62% approval rating. He was going to be Australian PM. Then as the electorate got to know him it all fell away to a disaster at the 2004 election.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Latham

    Mark was seen as initially a fresh face. However he was subsequently regarded as a mixture of mad, nasty, and dishonest. Not to mention narcisstic. I am not suggesting parallels with the current situation in NZ. Latham was a unique character. However Latham did show how someone who was seen as a messiah and destined for the top could crash and burn in 18 months.

    Vote: Thumb up 19 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  23. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Send that man a tin foil hat.

    Cunners: more than just a dopey unbearable prick – a gift that keeps on giving!

    Vote: Thumb up 14 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  24. jp_1983 (213 comments) says:

    reposted from GD
    Well didnt the Labour Party, pay private investigators go through Nat MP’s rubbish???

    Or doesn’t it apply when the left do it?
    http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2007/08/has-labour-hire.html
    Has Labour hired private investigators to dig dirt on Key?

    The private investigation community is buzzing with reports that PIs were hired to dig dirt on National leader John Key, and may be behind the latest round of publicity.

    Readers will remember Key’s Parnell home was recently broken into while he was away, and men in suits had previously been spotted burgling rubbish bins in the dead of night.

    The latest revelations have private investigator/former cop written all over them, because of the investigative work needed to dig back through old files and records and join dots.

    Having well and truly mounted its high horse previously, Labour looks decidedly lame on this now…

    – See more at: http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2007/08/has-labour-hire.html#sthash.xRRFIHn9.dpuf

    Vote: Thumb up 11 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  25. EAD (1,092 comments) says:

    Slightly off topic,

    but the term “Conspiracy Theory” is a piece of terminology devised to rubbish anyone who doesn’t believe what they are spoon fed by the mainstream media. It was a term invented after the assassination of JFK to discredit anybody who questioned the official version off events.

    You realise you would have labelled the Libor whistle blowers as nut jobs, likewise for those who suggested there were no WMDs – or anyone that suggested the NSA was spying on all our emails/phone calls.

    According to the MSM nothing much is happening at Fukishima, we’re all going to drown due to global warming and Islam is a religion of peace. It’s no wonder people question what they see going on around them.

    Sure there’s a lot of rubbish on the internet, but to dismiss everything is blinkered and foolish. Not to question what you are told is the sign of a lazy, non-enquiring mind.

    Now go back to sleep!

    Vote: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 8 You need to be logged in to vote
  26. somewhatthoughtful (465 comments) says:

    This is what happens when you’re pond scum, it’s easy to make allegations that would otherwise be bullshit but seem reasonable when viewed in the context of whale’s other behaviour.

    Must suck having your techniques used against you like that.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 9 You need to be logged in to vote
  27. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    Perhaps somebody should remind Cunnlife that it was his party who insisted that the business of government is whatever government define it to be. I know – it’s different when Labour do it !

    Vote: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  28. alwyn (427 comments) says:

    Cunliffe appears to think that because Helen Clark used the GCSB to provide her with information about other politicians every Prime Minister does the same.
    Mike Smitth, who was the General Secretary of the Labour Party has said that “The spies have always laced their briefings to the Prime Minister with political titbits”.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/mindless-questions/

    Given his political alliegiance it is impossible to believe that he has much knowledge of what goes on when we have a National Government. His explicit statement obviously means he knows that they fed Helen Clark with such information, and he assumes that every other PM is in the same situation. It is obviously beyond him to believe that other PMs are not as corrupt as she was.
    Cunliffe himself obviously also knew about Helen’s source of information and regards it as quite normal. However why he thinks other party’s are like his is difficult to understand.
    It is however a fair warning. If Cunliffe ever became PM we can expect him to follow his previous leader and demand “political titbits” to be fed to him to let him smear other New Zealanders.

    Vote: Thumb up 15 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  29. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    …the term “Conspiracy Theory” is a piece of terminology devised to rubbish anyone who doesn’t believe what they are spoon fed by the mainstream media. It was a term invented after the assassination of JFK to discredit anybody who questioned the official version off events.

    That’s right EAD – this article has a link to the memo.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/conspiracy-theory-foundations-of-a-weaponized-term/5319708

    It works on victims using pavlovian association and it links suppressed rage with the two words which is why you can’t have a proper conversation with a victim because their suppressed rage causes them to not take in what you’ve said but rather their hallucination of what they think you’ve said. This is why you only have to mention say, 911 and immediately the poor victims hallucinate that you have said the US govt did it, no matter what aspect you were actually talking about. It’s also why the poor victims automatically bring up the moon landings in their own deluded heads, no matter what you were talking about. Why I bet the victims amongst us who are reading this right now just did that very thing in their own heads. Didn’t you.

    It’s a great example of a common social engineering technique and it explains how the PTB get away with literal murder right in front of the sheeple who don’t even blink.

    Sad really because all it takes to stop them is for the victims to awaken, but most of them hallucinate they’re already awake, despite the fact that on just about every issue in this field, they know absolutely nothing of the real allegations but everything about the facets that disingenuously claim to ‘debunk’ it. All based on course on their idiotic assumption that if “x” were so, then in their minds, without even knowing anything about it, they hallucinate that “thousands and thousands of people would have had to be involved and at least one of them would have talked by now.” Failing to understand in their profound and galloping mentalism that how do they know how it was done if they (a) haven’t even bothered to read for themselves the actual complaints but contented themselves with reading the disinformation pieces that purported to discuss and critique the actual claims, and (b) haven’t even bothered to acquaint themselves with the numerous interviews and other material out there that is from those courageous people who HAVE talked about “x.”

    Vote: Thumb up 6 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  30. johnwellingtonwells (137 comments) says:

    Shark jumping? More like snapper jumping – and even Paula can catch bigger ones

    Vote: Thumb up 8 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  31. chris (647 comments) says:

    dotcom has decided not to allow the Coatesville Classic half marathon & 8K to run through his mansion this year 4 weeks out from the event, supposedly due to security concerns. I reckon he thought perhaps he might get some sympathy about being spied on etc given all this particular spat of media about MPs supposedly being monitored, but it appears to have backfired, given the comments by event participants on the event’s Facebook page.

    Vote: Thumb up 8 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  32. flipper (4,068 comments) says:

    Alwyn…
    A good comment.

    But you raise an obvious question: How does Mike Smith know about political titbits in secret SIS /GCSB briefings ??? Not sure about briefings by GCSB , or whether they do them on a regular basis.

    Short version: Key has thousands of sources. I have been one myself on more than one occasion, but on only one issue, a fine point correction, can I claim to have got to his CoS first. :-)

    Vote: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  33. Reid (16,473 comments) says:

    It is obviously beyond him to believe that other PMs are not as corrupt as she was.

    This is the way of the lefty alwyn. Always has been, always will be. You see it in all of them, all of the time. The fact that they disguise it even to themselves with their meme that they are the only ones who really truly care for the good of humanity and the other side doesn’t, makes it tremendously hypocritical and revolting, but almost all of them apart from the very top ones really truly believe that. The top ones don’t believe that of course but their jobs depend on them promoting the meme so they do.

    It’s for this very reason that even when I was young, I was never tempted to support lefties, because I have always seen this trait in them.

    Vote: Thumb up 12 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  34. alwyn (427 comments) says:

    @flipper

    “How does Mike Smith know about political titbits in secret SIS /GCSB briefings ???”.

    Smith, because of his position within the Labour Party, knew what went on when we had a Labour Party Government. He was no doubt told these little items so that the Labour Party could use them in their campaign smear attacks on Key, et al.

    This posting he made on the Standard merely confirms that it went on THEN. He is claiming, without any evidence at all, that it must therefore be going on NOW. He cannot know as I am quite sure that his access to the ninth floor stopped immediately on the change of Government in 2008. It is beyond his ability to acknowledge that not everyone is as corrupt as his mates were.

    I suggest that your remark, quoted above, is better expressed in the past than the present tense.

    Vote: Thumb up 10 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  35. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    This, from the party that sent people to Australia to dig up dirt on John Key? (which failed spectacularly!)

    Vote: Thumb up 15 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  36. burt (8,275 comments) says:

    slightlyrighty

    This, from the party that sent people to Australia to dig up dirt on John Key? (which failed spectacularly!)

    It’s different when the left do it !!!!!!!!

    Vote: Thumb up 8 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  37. smttc (752 comments) says:

    Fuck he’s desperate.

    And Yoza, it was Fletcher’s brother who was the family friend of Keys. Take off your tin foil hat.

    Vote: Thumb up 13 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  38. Sofia (858 comments) says:

    Cunliffe – “More likely it’s some form of private individual and one can only speculate of the relationship between the National Party, that blogger and whoever else is doing the work.”

    Cunliffe, it was Rachel Glucina, gossip columnist for THE HERALD, February 7, 2014 who gossiped to WhaleOil.
    So Cunliffe, you probably need to ask in Parliamentary Question Time, “Which spy agency does Rachel Glucina works for?” Hold up two fish while you ask that.

    Questions of the week
    1.
    Did Winston Peters visit the Dotcom mansion for secret meetings? Don Brash and Russel Norman have confessed to get-togethers in Coatesville, but Peters was playing coy yesterday when The Diary phoned. Rumours that he went there three times are “false”, he says, but he refused to specify if he’d been there at all.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personalities/news/article.cfm?c_id=72&objectid=11197715

    Peters’ insistence ‘Rumours that he went there three times are “false” ‘ relates to the fact he was asked about three visits over one year, rather than the actual two years involved – so the sort of technical truth telling, as is common for Winston and now apparently John Banks.

    Thought for Winston: How many of your aging voter base would support criminal Germans, or could they still have a lingering dislike for them?

    Vote: Thumb up 10 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  39. Bovver (173 comments) says:

    Anything for a quick headline, especially when their policy announcements are going down like led zeppelin.

    Vote: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  40. Lindsay Addie (1,520 comments) says:

    Someone should tell Cunners to stop reading James Bond stories and novels by John le Carre.

    Vote: Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  41. michaelmouse (16 comments) says:

    And too think that some of us were a bit wary of Cunliffe being a tougher opponent than Davis Shearer.
    What a laugh, at least Shearer is a nice bloke. Cunliffe would have to be the biggest piece of (insert your own profanity) that ever wore shoes.

    Vote: Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  42. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    This is even more demented than the GCSB being the source of the info on Winston’s visits.

    What’s really demented is the Prime Minister having fireside chats with someone who’s a prime candidate for a strait jacket. :)

    Vote: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 10 You need to be logged in to vote
  43. flipper (4,068 comments) says:

    alwyn (321 comments) says:

    February 17th, 2014 at 11:47 am

    @flipper

    “How does Mike Smith know about political titbits in secret SIS /GCSB briefings ???”.

    Smith, because of his position within the Labour Party
    **********

    Alwyn….

    The point is that SIS/CCSB(if any) briefings are Prime Minister “Eyes/ears only”. No one else is present. Period. Ergo Smith talks bullshit…or what Clark wanted to purvey.

    The L of Opn gets similar, but not necessarily identical briefing to PM. Not even PPM or Wayne Eagleson get to hear the briefing. Nothing in writing is left with PM ort LofO.. All written material is removed. It was ever thus, dating to my knowledge, back to Keith Holyoake and Brig Gilbert.

    Vote: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1 You need to be logged in to vote
  44. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    At least I was more polite than Pablo:

    As for politicians meeting with Dotcom, the issue is far more simple than sinister. Dotcom is a NZ permanent resident who is a fugitive from US justice still under extradition warrant (which is being argued in court). The authorities may well consider him a flight risk because he certainly has the means to do so. They may believe that he is continuing his criminal associations or practices while his court case is being heard (I shall refrain from making bad jokes about those who have flocked to his side during the GCSB Bill debates, or about the politicians who have knocked on his door). Given his penchant for partying and those he associates with when doing so, they may want to catch him in possession of illegal drugs.

    Thus the Police would have legitimate reason to run ongoing surveillance operations on him, and can do so legally with or without the help of the SIS and now, thanks to the passage of the GCSB Bill, the GCSB. In doing so, they would monitor and record the comings and goings of visitors to his mansion, with that information passed up the chain of command.

    That is why Mr Key’s version of how he came to know about Mr. Peters’ treks to the Coatesville property is odd. He claims that he got his information about Dotcom’s political visitors from Cameron Slater working with or independently from a Herald gossip columnist. That is troubling.

    The Right Honorable John Key is the Minister of Intelligence and Security, so presumably he is aware of the status of security operations and the Dotcom case in particular given its history. But he claims that he received domestic espionage information about Dotcoms’s visitors from a right-wing, admittedly partisan “attack” blogger, rather than from the security agencies for which he is responsible and who have a legal right to monitor Mr. Dotcom. That is a sign of incompetence or willful ignorance on his part.

    I have shares in a Bolivian gold mine I am willing to sell at a very affordable price to readers who believe a sociopath was the first source of the Dotcom visit data provided to the PM.

    http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2014/02/monitoring-syrians-and-supplicants/

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 9 You need to be logged in to vote
  45. chris (647 comments) says:

    Thus the Police would have legitimate reason to run ongoing surveillance operations on him, and can do so legally with or without the help of the SIS and now, thanks to the passage of the GCSB Bill

    Just because they *can* doesn’t mean they *are*. I’m not saying I believe they are or aren’t, just pointing it out.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  46. chris (647 comments) says:

    On the whole “flight risk” thing, surely he’s not actually able to get out of the country on a commercial jetliner as he’d be held up at the border, so he’d have to sneak out on a boat or something.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  47. flipper (4,068 comments) says:

    Rossie69/yoza/griff/dickheads of the world….

    There they are …..Riding their red ponies in a fruitless attempt to rescue dickhead Cunners.

    Stand back. Look as what it is you purvey, and understand how childish is that you present.

    Vote: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  48. Pete George (23,578 comments) says:

    Pablo is presuming that it’s a lot more complicated than it’s likely to be. Ex-staff talk.

    Again, those claiming Peters has been watched or tailed effectively claim that it has gone on for two years – that goes back to a year before the Coatesville raid.

    That’s a lot more far fetched than someone with inside information blabbing.

    Vote: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  49. alwyn (427 comments) says:

    @dime, 10.28am.

    “He cant be thick, he went to harvard business school”

    He only led reporters to believe that he went to the Business School. It is quite easy. You just say, in a low, slurred voice, “When I did my MPA degreee at Harvard” and then go into rapturous remarks about the glories of the library at the (loud and clear) BUSINESS SCHOOL. The reporter writes and reports that you were at the well known Business School with it’s very reputable MBA degree rather than the much shorter, much less well known, MPA degree at the School of Government. Then, when they have upgraded your education you don’t ask them to correct the report.

    @flipper
    “Ergo Smith talks … what Clark wanted to purvey”.
    But if H1 told you something that she said came directly from the SIS or GCSB, and was derogatory of your mutual political opponents you would believe her wouldn’t you? I mean Helen wouldn’t lie, even just a tiny wee bit would she?
    Besides even if you didn’t think all the statements were true you wouldn’t want a visit from H2 with her chain saw would you?
    I am inclined to believe that Smith’s statement about Helen getting dirt from the GCSB on her opponents was correct though.

    Vote: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  50. flipper (4,068 comments) says:

    Alwyn……

    You could be right.

    But I would be inclined to believe that Helengrad told her minions what they wanted to hear….. and/or …. What she wanted them to spread…..

    The sort of stuff that Smith asserts has a nasty habit of biting back.

    Who knows what a future SiS Director or Prime Minister might order. This is a reference to Hoover-like dirt.
    I do not think SIS ever played that game- unless there was a foreign/security element to it.

    BUT…..
    I have never worked for SIS, or been Prime Minister. :-)

    Vote: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  51. RichardX (326 comments) says:

    Reid (14,845 comments) says:
    February 17th, 2014 at 11:14 am

    This is why you only have to mention say, 911 and immediately the poor victims hallucinate that you have said the US govt did it, no matter what aspect you were actually talking about. It’s also why the poor victims automatically bring up the moon landings in their own deluded heads, no matter what you were talking about. Why I bet the victims amongst us who are reading this right now just did that very thing in their own heads.

    Why don’t you tell us what you actually believe took place to cause the towers to collapse on 9/11 so there is no ambiguity in your posts on the subject and to prevent further ‘hallucinations’. Credible evidence to support your beliefs would be helpful

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  52. Yoza (1,879 comments) says:

    kiwi in america (2,249 comments) says:
    February 17th, 2014 at 10:24 am

    Yozza
    Key knew Ian Fletcher from his time at Burnside High but was a contemporary of his younger brother. That doesn’t make him his friend.

    John Key:

    “I’m sure I may well have done so. What I can say, if the member wants to know, is my mother was best friends with Ian Fletcher’s mother. If that makes a conspiracy, fair enough.”

    So their mothers were best friends and Fletcher’s brother was one of of Key’s school mates. Heh, there are none so blind as those that will not see.

    Key is compromised by the person he hand picked to head New Zealand’s GCSB, it is not hard to understand. The opposition parties are within their rights to be worried about the cozy Key/Fletcher relationship.

    Vote: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote