North Korea human rights

February 19th, 2014 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

News.com.au reports:

’s leaders should be brought before an international court for a litany of crimes against humanity that include exterminating its population, the United Nations says.

A hard-hitting report on the nuclear-armed totalitarian state also strongly criticised its denial of basic freedoms of thought, expression and religion, and its abduction of citizens of neighbouring South Korea and Japan.

“Systemic, widespread and gross human rights violations have been and are being committed by the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, its institutions and officials,’’ said the report by the Commission of Inquiry on North Korea set up in March 2013 by the UN Human Rights Council.

“In many instances, the violations of human rights found by the commission constitute crimes against humanity. These are not mere excesses of the state; they are essential components of a political system that has moved far from the ideals on which it claims to be founded,’’ the report said.

“The gravity, scale and nature of these violations revealed a state that does not have any parallel in the contemporary world.’’

Commission chair Michael Kirby said the world could no longer plead ignorance as an excuse for a failure to act.

“At the end of the Second World War, so many people said: If only we had known … Now the international community does know,’’ he said.

How refreshing to see a UN body call a spade, a spade. The North Koreans basically live in a slave state with a hereditary absolute monarch. One well known NZer claimed that they were no ddfferent to places like Singapore, both being authoritarian states. I hope he reads this UN report.

North Korea’s crimes against humanity entail “extermination, murder, enslavement, torture, imprisonment, rape, forced abortions and other sexual violence, persecution on political, religious, racial and gender grounds, the forcible transfer of populations, the enforced disappearance of persons and the inhumane act of knowingly causing prolonged starvation,’’ the report said.

Not much they don’t do.

It condemned a system of throwing generations of the same family into prison camps under guilt-by-association rules, given testimony from former guards, inmates and neighbours.

One day North Koreans will be free, but it is a long way off.

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37 Responses to “North Korea human rights”

  1. slightlyrighty (2,448 comments) says:

    Gareth Morgan could not be reached for comment….

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  2. Scott1 (357 comments) says:

    I’m not sure the current strategy is working. It seems that the more the US and other countries isolate the north Koreans the easier it is for them to protect their reigeme from the “corrupting” influences of the rest of the world. Clearly those that are in power in north Korea are not making a serious attempt to reduce the tensions below current levels.

    If we were to actually encourage sporting contact (like Denis Rodman) and economic projects the North Koreans might suddenly have economic incentives to behave differently that would be very difficult to fight.

    Ironically the best thing to do for the North Koreans and the worst thing for their government could be to stop punishing them.

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  3. Manolo (12,643 comments) says:

    The report will be harshly criticised by Gareth Morgan, the imbecile Rev Don Borrie and his nutters of the NZ-DPRK society.

    Loons of the world, unite!

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  4. Bovver (133 comments) says:

    Unfortunately after the American lead debacles into Afghanistan and Iraq there is zero political will to deal with these shitholes that are North Korea and Syria.

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  5. Ross Nixon (599 comments) says:

    If only North Korea had oil!

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  6. Ashley Schaeffer (336 comments) says:

    Nothing is going to change until China acknowledges the problems and shoots the rabid dog they keep in their backyard.

    My vote would be for a Red Wedding style affair where the Chinese invite the NK leadership to a state banquet and then slaughter the lot of them.

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  7. Ross Nixon (599 comments) says:

    The west is guilty for allowing the regime to continue. We stopped the Nazi’s genocide, why not North Korea’s?
    http://www.trevorloudon.com/2014/02/kim-jong-un-gives-the-nazis-a-run-for-their-money

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  8. Odakyu-sen (248 comments) says:

    A generation after the regime in North Korea topples, the youth will ask their parents how on earth such a system could have ever existed. Their parents will never be able to answer.

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  9. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    “We stopped the Nazi’s genocide, why not North Korea’s?”

    North Korea hasn’t invaded a bunch of countries. Stopping the Nazis was a result of defending against their attacks and defeating them. It’s quite different invading a country to sort out their human rights breaches.

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  10. Ashley Schaeffer (336 comments) says:

    The west is guilty for allowing the regime to continue. We stopped the Nazi’s genocide, why not North Korea’s

    The greatest culpability lies with China as they prop the regime up. And unlike Nazi Germany, North Korea is not invading it’s neighbours (yet) which was the trigger for war then, rather than genocide.

    EDIT: PG beat me to it.

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  11. Ashley Schaeffer (336 comments) says:

    Gareth Morgan should never be sought for comment on any matter ever again. A prize idiot.
    And the next time Rodman visits his mate Jong, the U.S. should cancel his passport while he is there.

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  12. Yoza (1,353 comments) says:

    Ross Nixon (593 comments) says:
    February 19th, 2014 at 7:51 am

    The west is guilty for allowing the regime to continue. We stopped the Nazi’s genocide, why not North Korea’s?
    http://www.trevorloudon.com/2014/02/kim-jong-un-gives-the-nazis-a-run-for-their-money

    That whole ‘regime change’ thing hasn’t been going very well lately. After the criminal invasions and consequent human rights disasters imposed on Iraq and Afghanistan there would be little or no support for yet another demonstration of white supremacy somewhere else on the planet.

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  13. All_on_Red (956 comments) says:

    We should listen to Comrade Yoza. After all he used to live on the collective in North Korea but left because it wasn’t totalitarian enough for him.

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  14. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “…….Commission chair Michael Kirby……North Korea’s crimes against humanity entail “… other sexual violence, persecution on gender grounds….”

    No shit Kirby!

    Kirby is a former Judge of Australia’s High Court and he’s a capital – Gay Liberal.

    The North Koreans sodomise people and dislike homosexuals – they wouldn’t know about lbgt yet….

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  15. Carlos (684 comments) says:

    China has recently realised that North Korea is a liability but at the same time they feel that it has its use as a buffer between China and the U.S. forces on the Korean Peninsula. It’s purely for military reasons they support North Korea, not because they actually like the regime. They don’t want U.S. forces based just across the border which would probably happen if North Korea fell. Messy stuff.

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  16. Simon (613 comments) says:

    Always remember people the difference between NK and NZ is right wing opposition to the left.

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  17. Mobile Michael (367 comments) says:

    Well, that same loon wants $25m from Lower Hutt ratepayers. For a soccer ground so he stops losing money on his football team.

    No one makes money on football teams.

    And shame on Ray Wallace and HCC for entertaining the idea.

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  18. iMP (2,154 comments) says:

    When the time is right, others will invade N.Korea to release its people from this Orwellian obscenity, and the regime will tumble like a house of cards, just like Idi Amin’s Uganda did, or Pol Pot’s Khymer Rouge.

    Then we will learn of nazi style atrocities of epic proportions over several decades and rue “why didn’t we stop this sooner.”

    Because we’re wimps and lack true leadership. Churchill and Roosevelt, being true lovers of freedom and liberty, would have done something by now.

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  19. Nigel Kearney (747 comments) says:

    In situations where there is not a sufficiently powerful police force to track down and apprehend the criminals that are out there, societies have traditionally resorted to putting a bounty on the heads of those criminals. There is no reason that cannot work here.

    Just offer 30 million for Kim’s head and see if someone is able to collect. He can be replaced of course, but the process will only need to be repeated a couple of times before they get the idea.

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  20. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    Ashley Schaeffer (289 comments) says:
    February 19th, 2014 at 8:04 am

    The greatest culpability lies with China as they prop the regime up.

    China has its own shameful human rights record. All these things are matters of degree and North Korea is at the top of the scale. But we trade with China despite their authoritarian system. Which raises the question: when is evil too evil? There must be a formula that balances our own economic interests against the lives of those who suffer under dictatorships.

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  21. Brian Smaller (3,915 comments) says:

    Why is this the fault of The West? I am sick of Western countries getting the blame for everything that happens in every shit hole around the world. Nothing will happen in North Korea unless the people there, and by that I mean the army in reality, change it. The mad leaders there have nuclear weapons. No one is going to invade them. They fire one bomb into Tokyo or Soeul and the world changes forever. Who is going to risk that for the people there, no matter how terrible their lot is?

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  22. Ashley Schaeffer (336 comments) says:

    China has its own shameful human rights record.

    So does NZ if we are to believe the Greens.

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  23. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    iMP (2,011 comments) says:
    February 19th, 2014 at 9:09 am

    Because we’re wimps and lack true leadership. Churchill and Roosevelt, being true lovers of freedom and liberty, would have done something by now.

    FDR? A lover of freedom and liberty? The FDR that implemented the New Deal? The FDR that implemented Social Security? The FDR that regulated Wall Street? The FDR that got the Supreme Court to overturn their previous rulings on freedom of contract by threatening to pack the court? Are you sure you’re not a pinko commie socialist? :)

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  24. Scott (1,614 comments) says:

    The problem in North Korea is communism which is driven by atheism. This is what happens in an atheist country.

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  25. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    Niorth Korea has stolen Mugabes thunder. Mugabe lies in the sun.

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  26. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    Scott (1,577 comments) says:
    February 19th, 2014 at 10:29 am

    The problem in North Korea is communism which is driven by atheism. This is what happens in an atheist country.

    Given that the Kim family are treated as deities and that the state’s official version of history amounts to mythology (e.g. Kim Jong Il’s birth was “heralded by a swallow, caused winter to change to spring, a star to illuminate the sky, and a double rainbow spontaneously appeared” – wiki) I’m not sure it’s accurate to describe it as an atheist country.

    Moreover, even if we assumed that North Korea was atheist, it would be unfair to ascribe that system to atheism just as it would be unfair to ascribe child molestation to Catholicism. Correlation does not prove causation.

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  27. dime (8,789 comments) says:

    Its really up to china to say “hey! what the fuck!” and get this sorted.

    I think their issue is if they get it sorted, reunification could happen. They don’t want a competitor of koreas size on their door step. What if the yanks expand their bases etc?

    With a bit of luck, fatty will stroke out and the north will get a new leader.. one who isnt batshit crazy… probably not though

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  28. Scott (1,614 comments) says:

    Weihana- no under atheism the rulers cannot help installing themselves as “gods” and having the people worship them. See USSR under Stalin, the Chinese under Mao. Always,always,always the rulers in defiance of God set themselves up as “gods”.

    This is what happens when a nation turns away from God, when a nation forgets God.

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  29. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    Scott (1,578 comments) says:
    February 19th, 2014 at 11:38 am

    Weihana- no under atheism the rulers cannot help installing themselves as “gods”…

    Utter nonsense. Dictators come in all stripes. Hitler, for instance, was not an atheist. Moreover, Stalin’s relationship with religion had more to do with power than anything else. Indeed after a period of repression the churches were subsequently used to motivate the war effort.

    It seems your hatred of atheism blinds you to a reasonable analysis of history. It is all too easy to find a group one disagrees with and blame every imaginable evil on them. Indeed, in my view that tendency of humans, more than anything else, is how we can come to commit such unspeakable atrocities. Our tribal instincts compel us to identify some group of people that is ultimately responsible for all the bad things in our life and because religion (or non-religion) touches some of the most fundamental beliefs a person holds it is the natural defining element of the group that must be purged from society.

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  30. Scott (1,614 comments) says:

    Weihana-utter nonsense from you. The facts are the facts-the atheist regimes always set up a cult of personality. Absolutely true and your hatred of God stops you seeing what is blindly obvious.Where man denies God man sets himself up as God in his place. It’s the sin of pride, which is the original sin,wanting to be like God.

    Hitler while not an atheist was motivated by Darwinism- the survival of the fittest, which is the intellectual justification for atheism. So evolutionary theory about the survival of the fittest,the master race being the fittest, the sub human slavic races being unfit and the Jews being the least fit of all provided the intellectual justification for genocide.

    It is what happens when mankind forgets God.

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  31. DJP6-25 (1,236 comments) says:

    Kim jong Un-hinged has a half brother in China. Although I wasn’t invited to the last meeting of the Chinese politburo, I’m sure they have a plan to deal with a collapse in North Korea. Their first objective would be to secure the nukes and military. Then they’d have to secure the TV and radio stations. The locals are used to doing what they’re told. As long as they could be persuaded to stay put they could be fed by the Chinese. Then North Korea would become a Chinese province. South Korea would not be bothered by that. Most of them would think it was a good thing not to have to pay for ‘their’ East Germany. After a fairly short interval, China would ask South Korea for a ‘contribution’ toward the redevelopment of North Korea. South Korea could end conscription, and down size it’s military. US forces there would no longer be needed there.

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  32. ShawnLH (2,116 comments) says:

    Ross Nixon opines: “If only North Korea had oil!”

    Afghanistan has no oil.

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  33. igm (880 comments) says:

    Wait till reborn socialist Gareth Morgan reads this . . . he will erupt. North Korea is a caring and lovely country with top officials and leaders, especially the main man . . . Yeh right!

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  34. chiz (1,095 comments) says:

    Ashley Schaeffer:

    Nothing is going to change until China acknowledges the problems and shoots the rabid dog they keep in their backyard.

    China doesn’t particularly like the NK regime but they are scared about what would happen if it fell. There would almost certainly be a enormous flood of refugees, for example, which they don’t want.

    My vote would be for a Red Wedding style affair where the Chinese invite the NK leadership to a state banquet and then slaughter the lot of them.

    Once, after Kim’s father visited China there was an explosion that, had the timing been slightly better, might have destroyed the train he was returning on and killed him. At the time there was a lot of speculation that this might have been an assassination attempt. Given how paranoid the Kim’s are, only a handful of people would have known that he was on that train – including China. Some people speculated that it might have been a Chinese assassination attempt. Around the same time The Observer newspaper in the UK had a story claiming that the Chinese had, supposedly, looked at whether or not it might be possible to invade NK.

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  35. chiz (1,095 comments) says:

    Scott:

    This is what happens when a nation turns away from God, when a nation forgets God.

    Meanwhile, Uganda clearly hasn’t forgotten God. They’ve just passed an anti-gay law that will see gay people jailed for life. They dropped the death penalty bit after pressure from secular nations in the west. What happens when a nation claims to remember God.

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  36. Odakyu-sen (248 comments) says:

    “Every revolutionary is a closet aristocrat.” — Frank Herbert

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  37. Scott (1,614 comments) says:

    chiz-Interesting point you make about Uganda. Apparently the anti gay law carries a minimum sentence of 2 years and a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. So it’s not quite the truth that “gay people will be jailed for life”.

    Uganda is a very poor country with a lot of problems. However here is a question to you – given a choice between the 2, if you had to choose one country to live in, would it be Uganda or North Korea?

    You see Uganda has its problems but it has freedom of religion, and it is possible to live a reasonable life there. North Korea on the other hand has no freedom of religion and is oppressive all the time for everybody. It is hell on earth in North Korea. That is a direct result of atheism which does not allow freedom of thought, where there is no freedom of religion and the people are treated as expendable minions of the state.

    That’s what happens when people forget God. They have neither the consolation of heaven in the next life and they have hell on earth in this one.

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