Reminds me of Europe in the 1930s

February 27th, 2014 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

News.com.au reports:

A newspaper has listed 200 people it accused of being gay, a day after the president called homosexuals ‘mercenaries’ and signed one of the world’s toughest anti-gay laws.

“Exposed!’’ the headline of the Red Pepper tabloid read, beneath photographs of Ugandans it said were gay, as well as reporting on lurid stories of alleged homosexual actions.

“Uganda’s 200 top homos named,’’ the daily newspaper added.

That’s appalling at the best of times, but in the present climate there is almost inciting their deaths.

On Monday, Uganda’s President Yoweri Museveni signed a bill into law which holds that repeat homosexuals should be jailed for life, outlaws the promotion of and requires people to denounce gays.

Mr Museveni said he could not understand how one could “fail to be attracted to all these beautiful women and be attracted to a man’’ instead and described in graphic details his particular revulsion to oral sex.

This is not far removed from what the Nazis started in the 1930s. I don’t mean the holocaust, but the jailing people for who they are, and denouncing of them.

I’m not sure if we give any aid to Uganda, but now would be a good time to stop.

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42 Responses to “Reminds me of Europe in the 1930s”

  1. redqueen (556 comments) says:

    The fact that their President is thinking about oral sex seems a bit…wait a minute!

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  2. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    Aren’t we meant to respect other cultures?

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  3. Psycho Milt (2,411 comments) says:

    Aren’t we meant to respect other cultures?

    Not if they suck.

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  4. Ross Nixon (559 comments) says:

    Uganda’s new law goes too far. It shouldn’t require people to denounce gays. One should have compassion for them instead.

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  5. Odakyu-sen (600 comments) says:

    “Aren’t we meant to respect other cultures?”

    But isn’t lack of respect for other cultures* racism?

    //

    * cultures that are not in a position of power as defined by Gramscian cultural theory

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  6. Gulag1917 (884 comments) says:

    Hitler was a progressive
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100260720/whenever-you-mention-fascisms-socialist-roots-left-wingers-become-incandescent-why/

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  7. Urban_Redneck (73 comments) says:

    Lets ignore all of the Islamic countries that have similar laws, or worse.

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  8. Scott1 (530 comments) says:

    Sadly not a hell of a lot we can do.
    And the more we rage impotently about how bad the government is the stronger we seem to make them.

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  9. Nukuleka (309 comments) says:

    Let Uganda and Ugandans get on with the way they want to run their own country. If they think gay sex is abnormal and contrary to their social norms, well, that’s over to them. BUTT out (oops, sorry for the offence, gays).

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  10. RRM (9,841 comments) says:

    1 in 4 kiwiblog commentors appear not to have a problem with naming, shaming and killing gays…

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  11. redqueen (556 comments) says:

    DPF, not sure if the Africa Region aid has any connection with Uganda (pretty big place), but most of our money is going to the Pacific.

    http://www.aid.govt.nz/about-aid-programme/aid-statistics/aid-allocations-201213-201415

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  12. Gulag1917 (884 comments) says:

    The inevitable backlash.

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  13. Zebulon (100 comments) says:

    Nukuleka says “Let Uganda and Ugandans get on with the way they want to run their own country”… but let’s make sure that we are not funding them either direct government aid or through donations to charities active in the area.

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  14. ShawnLH (4,609 comments) says:

    This is a bad law. If voluntary covenant communities want to set moral codes, that is fine, because they are voluntary. But beyond laws defending life, liberty and property, the State should not do so. True morality requires personal reformation willingly chosen. If Caesar is imposing it by force, it’s not moral reformation, but mere obedience to the State.

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  15. Simon (699 comments) says:

    “reminds me of Europe in the 1930s”

    No it doesnt. It reminds you of Germany in the 1930s.

    Most of Europe in the 1930s were small state work in progress democracies. Insulting.

    THe leason here is that the size and power of the State is the problem. Not unique to Uganda. Curtail the power of the State because it is only a matter of time before retards get control.

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  16. Nigel Kearney (986 comments) says:

    There is nothing to be gained by withdrawing aid, if we are even providing any. Do people think the president will miss out on dinner a few times and then reconsider the policy? The need for aid is always a consequence of a government being immoral and incompetent so you can hardly make that a disqualifying factor. The only thing more pointless and futile would be refusing to play sport against them.

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  17. Harriet (4,857 comments) says:

    The truth is that government has to balance the rights of individuals against the good of society.

    And government does promote or prohibit things for that reason, somethings -like smoking- may be legal, but they are not promoted by government as it is bad for one’s health, so the balance of the public good against the rights of the individual is then meet.

    And if government isn’t promoting something legal, say homosexuality, for good reason – say the spread of sexual diseases – then the rights of the individual and society has again been meet, as homosexuals get to enjoy their right and society’s health is maintained. And government has done it’s job.

    Now if 200 people in Uganda were out promoting something that wasn’t good for society, and were doing it against the governments wishes – then I presume the government would then see that as sedition.

    Killing them is not the way to solve their intolerance for the Ugandan public’s welfare. Jailing is ok. :cool:

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  18. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    No No No

    Asia and the South Pacific is like the 1930’s

    You are all singing Kumbaya with the Commies and kissing their butts
    and grovelling and appeasing

    WHILE THE REARM at a rate of knots

    Meanwhile Aus Manufacturing is being destroyed by Traitors

    Sorry about the Gays in Uganda but bigger issues are coming

    Trust me on this Just give it time

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  19. Longknives (4,691 comments) says:

    I’m confused- The Greens and the United Nations are always telling us we have to pay more respect to ‘indeginous’ cultures and their unique values and beliefs.
    Isn’t it ‘ignorant’ of us to pass scorn on their way of life?

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  20. flipper (3,991 comments) says:

    I think it is a non story , except among a certain segment of society.

    But why are we surprised by anything that happens in Uganda?
    Remember they gave us Idi….and then we let him slink off to some Arab hidey hole.

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  21. Chuck Bird (4,848 comments) says:

    Should we not also stop trade with Muslim countries and not play cricket with India?

    I do not agree with the law in Uganda. However, look at the fact. Male homosexuals and make up less than 3% of the population but account for over 50% of HIV infections. If is total madness promoting homosexuality the way NZ does.

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  22. Ed Snack (1,851 comments) says:

    I just love this:

    “Aren’t we meant to respect other cultures?

    Not if they suck.”

    And just who is supposed to say “they suck, therefore we can happily disrespect them” ?

    I call that a racist comment, insensitive, and disrespectful to Ugandan culture. Because that’s exactly how other comments that criticize “others” cultures get treated all the time. It is revealed, you may think and act only as we say, thanks for playing.

    And just as an aside, I think based on Museveni’s comments, “suck” is exactly what they don’t do.

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  23. Gulag1917 (884 comments) says:

    The Ugandan government have made their decision and nothing will change it. There is a pandemic in Africa.
    HIV/AIDS in Africa
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Africa

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  24. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    LIES FIRST WAR Second that is the Cycle

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  25. Ed Snack (1,851 comments) says:

    RRM, can I recommend a hot sauce with that comment ? I suggest it is far more that 1 in 4 sees no little irony in the “sauce for the goose…” sort of situation.

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  26. cha (3,946 comments) says:

    There is a pandemic in Africa.

    And it ain’t what you think it is.
    /

    http://24.media.tumblr.com/07c7a67d9f61fefc506fdd11446aacd3/tumblr_mmeo03EuXW1rsmss8o1_1280.jpg

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  27. flash2846 (274 comments) says:

    Gross as this situation is, it is not uncommon; just look to Islamic countries. Ever tried pushing gay rights issues in Polynesian communities? Dangerous to say the least.
    Perhaps those few outspoken and overt gay people could tone down their “in your face” attitude. They may gain more tolerance and less people would be pissed off with them. Just saying.

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  28. gump (1,638 comments) says:

    Homosexual acts were illegal in New Zealand before 1984. So our history in this area isn’t entirely glorious.

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  29. iMP (2,366 comments) says:

    This is heinous, and I do not support the persecution of homosexuals, but before we go drawing connections with Nazis, let’s understand the wider and catastrophic AIDS situation in Uganda as a cultural mitigation. Uganda is not NZ and this is not a simple so-called “human rights” issue with wide support by the public.

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  30. cha (3,946 comments) says:

    Nothing quite like spreading the hate.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scott_Lively

    http://www.advocate.com/news/world-news/2013/08/15/scott-lively-will-be-tried-fueling-antigay-persecution-uganda

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  31. Fentex (944 comments) says:

    I’m not sure if we give any aid to Uganda, but now would be a good time to stop.I’m not sure if we give any aid to Uganda, but now would be a good time to stop.

    This might not be relevant to New Zealand because what I’ve read and are writing about regards the U.S; I’m lead to understand considerable effort and some amount of resource by foreign religious organizations contribute and participate in the demonisation of homosexuals in Uganda.

    The funding for which is possibly drawn from organizations exempt from much taxation.

    If this sort of thing is promoted by religious organizations with such exemptions it sort of undermines arguments that good is done by such exemptions and presents a situation where government largesse effectively contributes to assaults on individuals liberties. It ought not persist.

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  32. edhunter (538 comments) says:

    Damn back to fucking monkeys & pre-pubescent kiddies then.

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  33. wreck1080 (3,885 comments) says:

    i’m not sure that cutting ties to uganda is the answer.

    Just as china has an awful human rights record, we don’t cut off ties with them. Rather , we can gently agitate.

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  34. questions (198 comments) says:

    Astonishing, this post has been up 7 hours and no one has managed to identify the problem here: CATHOLICS.

    No one has even dared to say the word?!

    Will be checking in later to do a count up of for and against this law on this post.

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  35. corrigenda (142 comments) says:

    With so many countries legalising homosexual “marriage” and actively promoting/celebrating homosexual activities as “normal” and “natural”, is it any wonder that sooner or later some would react in such a way??? Push one far enough and they will dig their heels in and go off in the opposite direction!! This is quite a reasonable response to the rest of the world kowtowing to less than 5% of the population.

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  36. eszett (2,401 comments) says:

    I do not support the persecution of homosexuals, but ….

    lol, you couldn’t get any more cliché, could you now?

    Unsurprisingly the usual suspects jump to defend or rationalise Ugandas actions.

    Astonishing, this post has been up 7 hours and no one has managed to identify the problem here: CATHOLICS.

    I doubt it is catholics that are to blame. Evangelical christians from the US have been very active in Uganda. This is their Utopia, a “gay-free” country.

    Mind you, some commentators here would very much subscribe to that kind of “Utopia” as well.

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  37. cha (3,946 comments) says:

    Not happy.

    The only freedom of religion still standing in America is going to be the worship of the anus.

    https://twitter.com/TheObamaDiary/statuses/438866531078787072

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhcuhTXCIAEYlqO.jpg:large

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  38. BlairM (2,321 comments) says:

    You withhold aid from a country because a private newspaper prints an article you don’t like?! Nazi Germany indeed!

    And for the Christians of Uganda, a 1600 year old quote from St John Chrysostom:

    “For Christians above all men are not permitted forcibly to correct the failings of those who sin. Secular judges indeed, when they have captured malefactors under the law, show their authority to be great, and prevent them even against their will from following their own devices: but in our case the wrong-doer must be made better, not by force, but by persuasion. For neither has authority of this kind for the restraint of sinners been given us by law, nor, if it had been given, should we have any field for the exercise of our power, inasmuch as God rewards those who abstain from evil by their own choice, not of necessity. Consequently much skill is required that our patients may be induced to submit willingly to the treatment prescribed by the physicians, and not only this, but that they may be grateful also for the cure. For if any one when he is bound becomes restive (which it is in his power to be), he makes the mischief worse; and if he should pay no heed to the words which cut like steel, he inflicts another wound by means of this contempt, and the intention to heal only becomes the occasion of a worse disorder. For it is not possible for any one to cure a man by compulsion against his will.”

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  39. Johnboy (16,092 comments) says:

    Uganda seems to have moved forward since Idi’s time. They are only naming gays instead of sledge hammering Asians, other tribes and recividists. Be gentle with them folks they are a developing nation! :)

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  40. Johnboy (16,092 comments) says:

    Evening Minus….. :)

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  41. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    1930’s
    the 30’s the ole nugget
    isn’t that when the World declared War in Germany in 1933?

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  42. kowtow (8,326 comments) says:

    questions (117)

    Catholics?

    Are you taking the piss or just another anti catholic bigot?

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