The NY battle over charter schools

February 20th, 2014 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

The Wall Street Journal writes:

For several months running, the Bill and Eva Show has been the talk of New York City politics. He is the new mayor, Bill de Blasio, an unapologetic old-school liberal Democrat, scourge of the rich and of public . She is Eva Moskowitz, fellow Democrat and educational-reform champion who runs the city’s largest charter network.

Note she is a Democrat. Many Democrats support charter schools as they have done so much to improve educational outcomes for the most disadvantaged.

As she reminds every audience, the 6,700 students at her 22 Success Academy Charter Schools are overwhelmingly from poor, minority families and scored in the top 1% in math and top 7% in English on the most recent state test. Four in five charters in the city outperformed comparable schools.

One can understand why some in public schools hate them.

Union leaders dismiss the charters as a boutique effort, with only 4% of the national school population—yet teachers unions and their political allies also treat charters as an existential threat. Charters hire teachers who don’t have to join and pay union dues, and who work outside the traditional system.

This is the real motivation for some. Charter schools don’t pay protection money to the unions.

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16 Responses to “The NY battle over charter schools”

  1. tvb (4,415 comments) says:

    Protection money is correct. Presumably schools that pay the protection money are not threatened with strikes. The money gets channeled into the Democratic Party to support Union sponsored candidates. We have the same racket operating in NZ and Australia is having a Royal Commission into illegal Trade Union activity.

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  2. Akaroa (557 comments) says:

    I thought it was a given that this whole Charter Schools issue was basically an industrial rear-guard action being fought by the Teachers Union – (can’t think of their actual title at the moment but ‘They Know Who They Are!!”) – feverishly scrambling to protect the closed shop of teaching. Speaking from personal knowledge of a school full of teachers I know that the union crowd are very much in control with the ones who just want to help educate pupils tagging along behind. Teachers and – at one time – UK Miners were cut from the same bolshie, activist cloth!!

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  3. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Charters hire teachers who don’t have to join and pay union dues…

    This is the real motivation for some.

    Thank you for finally admitting it.

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  4. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    Which is quite a legitimate concern DPF seeing as you could implement ALL the supposed benefits in the current system without splashing out millions nearly to try and break unions. What a waste of time and money. Surprised the Tax Payer’s Union ain’t all over this puppy. Good publicity for you.

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  5. Nigel Kearney (1,012 comments) says:

    Charters hire teachers who don’t have to join and pay union dues…

    This is the real motivation for some.

    Thank you for finally admitting it.

    I am also happy to admit that I strongly prefer schools where each teacher can choose for themselves whether to join a union without being subject to threats and ostracized because of that choice.

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  6. OneTrack (3,087 comments) says:

    “Which is quite a legitimate concern DPF seeing as you could implement ALL the supposed benefits …”

    The problem is the unions are not allowing any changes. In their mantra, we already have the “perfect” system. All we have to do now is give more money to drop-kick parents (who wont spend it on kids breakfast or shoes anyway).

    It’s ALL the “poverty”. Haven’t you heard?

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  7. freedom101 (504 comments) says:

    The evidence is so over-whelming that charter schools provide an excellent educational outcome for disadvantaged children that there can only be a sinister reason for the teacher unions’ threats, boycotts, and blustering. If the union-dominated system is so great then no parent will choose a charter school for their child, so the unions have nothing to worry about.

    It’s always hard to break a monopoly, and the monopolist always claims that the world will end if they can’t keep extracting their monopoly rents. Lets have 50x more charter schools, and fast.

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  8. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    I am also happy to admit that I strongly prefer schools where each teacher can choose for themselves whether to join a union without being subject to threats and ostracized because of that choice.

    Good job we have those already then, isn’t it.

    The problem is the unions are not allowing any changes. In their mantra, we already have the “perfect” system.

    This is pretty funny to anyone aware of the extent of change in the NZ school system over the last 30 years.

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  9. Goon (13 comments) says:

    …..try watching Sir Ken Robinsons talk with an open mind when considering attempts to challenge the status quo in education…..

    http://www.ted.com/talks/sir_ken_robinson_bring_on_the_revolution.html

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  10. Rightandleft (663 comments) says:

    DPF knows quite well that teacher unions in NZ are not like American ones. PPTA for example is not affiliated to any party, will not endorse or donate any money to any political party. There is no compulsion for anyone to join the unions. Most teachers join because they can see the benefits. I have never seen any intimidation of those who don’t join.

    Also the idea that unions here hate charters because they use non union teachers is patently false. NZEI is accepting members at charters and the PPTA made the decision to not accept them, forgoing the possible boost in membership to stand on principle.

    As for New York charters outperforming their public schools, again this has no comparison to the NZ system. Our state schools are already more similar to NY charters than their publics.

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  11. doggone7 (801 comments) says:

    Rightandleft: “As for New York charters outperforming their public schools, again this has no comparison to the NZ system. Our state schools are already more similar to NY charters than their publics.”

    Exactly, but keep watching as other irrelevancies are chucked into the NZ discussion and accepted as if they were handed down on stone tablets on Mt Sinai! As we breath the net is probably being scoured seeking the scientist who has found the cure for cancer. Not for the triumph and the dream of what that could mean but with the hope that she/he attended a charter school so proving that that system is the best, is infallible, has the true answers.

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  12. Nigel Kearney (1,012 comments) says:

    DPF knows quite well that teacher unions in NZ are not like American ones. PPTA for example is not affiliated to any party, will not endorse or donate any money to any political party

    One election day I got a robo call from the Labour party reminding me to vote. I called back the number and heard a nice message saying ‘Thanks for calling the NZEI. Our normal business hours are …’. Even if they don’t officially donate or endorse, they are providing people and resources to Labour and acting as a teacher-funded training ground for future Labour MPs.

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  13. Bill Courtney (161 comments) says:

    Ahhh. Another day in paradise and another hopelessly lopsided David Farrar article in favour of charter schools.

    Here’s an attempt at a little balance, for what it’s worth:

    1. The Wall Street Journal has always supported charter schools. It is owned by Rupert Murdoch and he has always made it clear how lucrative he sees the education sector:
    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021846170

    2. Murdoch’s lieutenant in the education area is the highly controversial figure, Joel Klein, the former NY City Chancellor of Schools under Michael Bloomberg. Klein was recruited by Murdoch to be the CEO of Murdoch’s education company, Amplify. Here’s an interesting critique of what he had to say recently
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/09/16/there-joel-klein-goes-again/

    3. Eva Moskowitz has courted controversy with her charter schools many times before. Here is one recent piece about her and the controversial free use of public space to run what are privately operated schools:
    http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20131210/new-york-city/eva-moskowitz-success-academy-gets-preferential-doe-treatment-emails-show

    4. This is a key part of the Bill v Eva battle, as charging charter schools for the space they use in public facilities would increase their costs (and decrease their profits). Similar, in many respects, to the current controversy about how the new charter schools in NZ are funded.

    We could go on, as always, but the ideologues’ eyes will glaze over, as usual, with starry eyed visions of success that, unfortunately, almost never hold up to real scrutiny. Especially when issues such as charter school roll manipulation are factored in….

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  14. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    The problem is the unions are not allowing any changes. In their mantra, we already have the “perfect” system.

    Sorry, and you know this to be true how?

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  15. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    In the face of powerful evidence that charter schools help the very poorest to achieve the most, this thread is full of lefties telling them to fuck off.

    That’s all you need to know about socialism and its hateful zealots.

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  16. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    It’s a big wide Internet, wat, and there’s plenty of pieces out there – as you would expect – that say charter schools ain’t so flashed up.

    Ever wondered to yourself why DPF doesn’t publish any of them? Nah, didn’t think so.

    That’s all you need to know about free market capitalism and it’s evangelical zealots. (DISCLAIMER: I don’t actually believe that, I just thought I should reply with an equally whacky and extreme statement)

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