Winston lies and pushes racism

February 21st, 2014 at 3:30 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has claimed the world-famous Huka Lodge near Taupo has been sold to Chinese buyers and suggested Prime Minister John Key had a hand in smoothing the process.

Mr Peters made the claim during his state of the nation address on Auckland’s North Shore this afternoon.

“While you’re here media, let me tell you something, Huka Lodge has just been sold to the Chinese … and I want you to go and ask John Key what role you had in this?

“Was it not true, Mr Key, that you assured them `there won’t be a problem, we’ll smooth it out for you’.”

But Winston lied. Outraegously.

Any other political leader who made up a claim like this, and just flat out lied, would be crucified by the media. But Winston gets away with it. He lied that it had been sold. He lied that it was on the market, and he lied that the PM was involved.

Just as bad, he is doing his normal anti-Asian . I understand the current owner was born in Holland. Even if the sale was true, why is it okay for someone born in Holland to own Hula Lodge, but not someone born in China? Its .

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105 Responses to “Winston lies and pushes racism”

  1. redqueen (582 comments) says:

    Good old Windston…blowing hot air as usual. And National is willing to even consider working with the pillock?

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  2. RF (1,440 comments) says:

    Beware of drunken dwarfs.

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  3. Pete George (23,677 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe got a heap of criticism for a relatively small misleading comment in his State speech. If he has said something that appears to be as blatantly wrong as Peters did he would have been gone by lunch time.

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  4. Nick R (508 comments) says:

    But the PM still says National will deal with Winston post-election. So no problem, right?

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  5. Elaycee (4,403 comments) says:

    So Winston tells outrageous porkies and tosses in a dose of racism against the Chinese, as well.

    But the lapdog MSM continues to fawn and gush all over the geriatric and ‘report’ everything he says as being ‘gospel’.

    Another black day in the history of our MSM.

    And just another day ending in ‘Y’….

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  6. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    “Any other political leader who made up a claim like this, and just flat out lied, would be crucified by the media. But Winston gets away with it.”

    Exactly. The media takes a “there goes ol’ Winnie again” attitude, and gives him a pass. If Winston were some zero-polling wannabe, then that might be appropriate. But Winston potentially (heaven help us) will hold the balance of power. He should be fully held to account when he makes outrageous lies, especially in a desparate attempt to play the race card.

    Winston has NEGATIVE credibility. John Key should do the decent thing and rule him out.

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  7. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    Huka Lodge is (last I knew) owned by Alex van Heeren (CVO, Hon. MBE) who also happens to be our Honorary Consul in Antwerp, Belgium.

    If he wanted to sell it to overseas buyers I could well imagine that he has connections in government he might have a chat with. But so what? He’s not resident in NZ himself.

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  8. Pete George (23,677 comments) says:

    @FrancesCook – Huka Lodge GM: There are no plans to sell, absolutely no truth to sale claims, we’re as surprised as everyone else about this.

    @avancenz

    So, fellow journos, is it not about time we stop reporting what Winston Peters says as fact? Huka Lodge denying it has been sold.

    They should have stopped reporting what he says as fact when her first started lying. He has a long record of making false or unsubstantiated accusations, and media have a long record of supporting him doing that.

    It’s also a pretty damn outrageous slur to suggest, w/out evidence, that the PM would promise to “smooth it through the OIO.”

    ‏@dpfdpf

    Somewhat more defamatory than saying that someone thinks women should be in the kitchen!

    Winston without evidence goes together like whiskey without water.

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  9. Mobile Michael (459 comments) says:

    Winston being full of shit is not news.

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  10. Zapper (1,027 comments) says:

    avancenz needs to even ask the question??? Crikey. So up until now they get told something, do zero investigating, and publish it? We’ve all known that but now she publicly admits it. Amazing.

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  11. kowtow (8,720 comments) says:

    State of the nation speech?No, in Winnie’s case, it’s a Hate Other Nation speech.

    And sadly his supporters seem to love it.

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  12. alex Masterley (1,523 comments) says:

    Winston making things up? Wonders never cease.

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  13. adamsmith1922 (890 comments) says:

    This is why I have nil regard for the so called Fourth Estate as they have signally failed, time and time again to comment on Winston or hold him to account. Yet any imagined peccadillo by John Key or National and they behave as if Armageddon was upon us. I doubt if even the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse rode out for Winston that it would merit any comment other than to elicit the comment that Winston had summoned the end of the world as he had no baubles.

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  14. wf (464 comments) says:

    He’s just a silly little old mischief-making koro.

    I bet he has a good chuckle whenever he gets a reaction.

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  15. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    Someone called “Brendan Manning” reported it in the Herald. Does this person have journalism qualifications? If so, where from?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11207350

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  16. Nigel Kearney (1,047 comments) says:

    It is generally newsworthy when a politician says something controversial, whether true or not, and whether the politician is a known liar or not. I doubt that most of the MSM like Peters much better than I do, but they feel they have a duty to report what Peters says because he was elected to Parliament by voters. I don’t necessarily agree with this, but it is very understandable. It’s just unfortunate that his voters have lost their minds to such an extent that it hurts Peters less to be caught out lying than not to be mentioned at all.

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  17. Lucia Maria (2,606 comments) says:

    I doubt it’s racism as such – more a wariness of the largest Communist country in the world buying up assets in NZ. The problem is though, no one wants to hammer the Communist part, because so many here in NZ are so very pro-Communist. Kinda scary, really.

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  18. Sidey (254 comments) says:

    The childish utterings of most politicians usually just has me shaking my head in despair at the level of intelligent political discourse in this country.

    But this professional, taxpayer-funded liar really grinds my gears. It’s hard not to shout at the screen in anger when he gets outed as deliberate liar, seemingly on a monthly basis (weekly during an election year) with nary a peep from “journalists”.

    Oh for the day when we’ll see on the 6pm news and front pages: “Peters lies yet again”

    Won’t happen. Gutless.

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  19. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    The Herald article has been updated (3.57pm) to say the director David McGregor has no knowledge of a sale. At this point it looks like Winston is wrong, but I wouldn’t rule it out 100% yet.

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  20. peterwn (3,298 comments) says:

    He was pulling that sort of stunt during election campaigns years ago. For example he made a claim that some government department had purchased a fleet of Mercedes Benzes just before an election. Presumably he hoped the claim (despite no substance) would get another few little old ladies on board.

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  21. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    It is generally newsworthy when a politician says something controversial, whether true or not

    The real story is surely that it is not true. The framing by MSM doesn’t appear to get to the essential truth, rather it plays along with the wider untruth, which is one reason so many people regard them with utter contempt.

    We’re tired of being lied to.

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  22. big bruv (14,117 comments) says:

    Lucia proves that there are indeed enough morons in NZ to re elect Peter to our Parliament.

    Our media can stop all this tomorrow, all they need to do is stop reporting anything that Peters has to say.

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  23. Pete George (23,677 comments) says:

    Peters thsi afternoon (per NZH):

    “While you’re here media, let me tell you something, Huka Lodge has just been sold to the Chinese … and I want you to go and ask John Key what role you had in this?

    “Was it not true, Mr Key, that you assured them `there won’t be a problem, we’ll smooth it out for you’.”

    ‏@winstonpeters

    Why are journalists asking the staff and management of Huka Lodge? Ask the owner & his lawyers.

    The OIO application for Huka Lodge will take some time to be lodged and processed.

    Isn’t that an admission that he lied? If he’s now saying the “OIO application for Huka Lodge will take some time to be lodged and processed” surely it can’t have been sold yet, even if it was for sale?

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  24. NoCash (258 comments) says:

    Even if it’s true, why would the OIO need to get involved? A small hotel doesn’t hold any strategic importance to the NZ economy.

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  25. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    Agree – Winston should be crucified. But we get the cynical, nihilistic players in the media like Barry Soper or Paddy Gower who have a good chuckle and think Winnie the Shit is good troll-fodder for the NZ public. F*ck them.

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  26. NK (1,253 comments) says:

    Colin Craig should sue him.

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  27. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (894 comments) says:

    There won’t be any smoke without a fire bros…Winston may know something you and I don’t know….This could be the “bomb” the nasty lefties are looking for….

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  28. NK (1,253 comments) says:

    The problem is though, no one wants to hammer the Communist part, because so many here in NZ are so very pro-Communist. Kinda scary, really.

    Winston is one of them. His party has many policies that Beijing would be proud of.

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  29. Jack5 (5,144 comments) says:

    DPF at best can be half-right that Winston Peters is a racist.

    Everyone knows that only white folk can be racist, and Peters is half-Maori.

    So at best/worst he can be only half-racist, can’t he?

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  30. davidp (3,587 comments) says:

    There is an opportunity here for a Green – NZ First – Labour government. No doubt they will want to reverse asset sales, including the Tourist Hotel Corporation. So why not buy Huka Lodge and then run it as the first property of KiwiHoliday? That way, wealthy tourists will get to experience all the benefits of a government-run hotel, rather than a hotel run by evil corporations or individual hotel owners.

    The Soviet Union ran a chain of hotels, and North Koreans have been developing a world class hotel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel) since 1987. They certainly wouldn’t allow the Chinese to own their hotels, and both had thriving tourist industries.

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  31. Manolo (14,019 comments) says:

    The venal drunk Peters is scum of the worst kind.

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  32. Pete George (23,677 comments) says:

    ‏@mackersline

    The Overseas Investment Office has spoken to Huka Lodge director and shareholder David McGregor, and he has confirmed no sale has been made

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  33. Pete George (23,677 comments) says:

    @winstonpeters

    Why are journalists asking the staff and management of Huka Lodge? Ask the owner & his lawyers.

    And wouldn’t his lawyers be v=breaching client confidentiality if the answered?

    It’s not as if Peters shouldn’t know something like that, he was going on about confidentiality agreements recently.

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  34. smttc (761 comments) says:

    NoCash, it is possible Huka Lodge is on or adjoins conservation land in which case that would bring it under the jurisdiction of the OIO approval process.

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  35. James Stephenson (2,223 comments) says:

    There isn’t a Hooker Lodge anywhere that Winnie might have inside knowledge of, is there? Seems more the sort of establishment that the Chinese go for in Auckland.

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  36. SPC (5,751 comments) says:

    Chinese buying hooker lodges across Auckland is not a story. However if this becomes, via a Chinese whisper to the ear of those able to afford the more gentlemanly of retreats, the sale of Huka Lodge – well it then becomes an affront to our common Kiwi sensibilities.

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  37. Scott Chris (6,176 comments) says:

    Surprise surprise, Winnie the Poo media trolling again.

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  38. secondcumming (93 comments) says:

    Just spoke to a mate of mine who is franchisee for one of the largest RE agencies located in the mid North Island…..he sez the market is buzzing down there and you should not write off Peters comments by any means….in his words “See what tomorrow brings”

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  39. hj (7,059 comments) says:

    When asked by media to explain his comments about Huka Lodge, Mr Peters said he received the information from “an inside source” in the real estate world.

    “My informant says that John Key has given these people an assurance that, ‘don’t worry about it, we’ll smooth it through the Overseas Investment Office’.”

    if peter’s believed this (and he is too smart a politician to not seeing the consequences of being wrong) then perhaps he was set up by the venal real estate industry scum/ rent seekers/ traitors who infest politics on the right?

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  40. Eisenhower (137 comments) says:

    The OIO was happy enough for Netherlands-based Saraceno Holdings/Alex van Heeren to purchase it back in 2005. Where was Luigi’s opposition then?

    And its just a hotel, although it does sit on 17 acres. How many of the 4/5 star hotels in Auckland are locally owned?

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  41. hj (7,059 comments) says:

    The current Government was hanging out work visas “like an eight-armed octopus” to foreigners, while thousands of New Zealanders couldn’t get a job, Mr Peters said.

    *The next government needed to take a serious focus to immigration, he concluded.*

    tch,tch,thc!

    wasn’t that what the independent* Savings Working Group recommended?
    * factually

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  42. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Could someone point out what ounce of difference it matters who owns Huka Lodge?

    Are they planning on shifting to another country? They’ll need a bloody big digger to shift all that land

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  43. NK (1,253 comments) says:

    if peter’s believed this (and he is too smart a politician to not seeing the consequences of being wrong) then perhaps he was set up by the venal real estate industry scum/ rent seekers/ traitors who infest politics on the right?

    What?!?!?!?!? Peters is wrong *all* the time. He is a liar. When confronted with lies he merely pulls out the old “get your facts right” or “the information will be revealed in due course”. It was the same with Peter Dunne, and it was not revealed. IT was the same at the last election when he said he had heard the tape between Banks and Key and how all would be revealed etc. The guy is a liar. Full bloody stop.

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  44. Keeping Stock (10,403 comments) says:

    Is it mere coincidence that Kim Dotcom very recently spent a weekend at Huka Lodge (even though he has no money to pay his creditors), and that both Dotcom and Peters want to see the back of Key as PM.

    I suspect that Dotcom may have created this bullet for the Senior Citizen from St Mary’s Bay to fire, not realising that Winston would propel said bullet through his foot.

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  45. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    @secondcumming: but we already know Winston lied. He said it’s been sold. It hasn’t been.

    If it turns out that a sale is proposed, or there is a sale conditional upon OIO approval, then we’ll have to wait for (a) the application to be made, and (b) the outcome of the application. Of course, Winston’s smear is that John Key is scheming to interfere in that process.

    And even if it is ultimately sold (again), then the main point is: so what? A Dutch company owns it now. Labour approved that and Winston didn’t seem too bothered at the time.

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  46. hj (7,059 comments) says:

    “A great number of these people have been enormous contributors to New Zealand’s economic and social life, but there has been a huge cost in infrastructural, educational, health and governmental demands.”

    the Key government’s magic is an immigration stimulus (ponzi economics).

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  47. NK (1,253 comments) says:

    And even if it is ultimately sold (again), then the main point is: so what? A Dutch company owns it now. Labour approved that and Winston didn’t seem too bothered at the time.

    And he was a minister in the Clark government at the time.

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  48. SPC (5,751 comments) says:

    Eisenhower and NK, Peters was not a Minister until October in 2005, possibly after the sale earlier in that year.

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  49. Steve (North Shore) (4,581 comments) says:

    Maybe Huka Lodge has a cash flow problem because Crim dot Con and a few other arseholes has not paid their bills?
    Then the chinese wispers start

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  50. hj (7,059 comments) says:

    bhudson (4,671 comments) says:
    February 21st, 2014 at 5:27 pm
    Could someone point out what ounce of difference it matters who owns Huka Lodge?

    Are they planning on shifting to another country? They’ll need a bloody big digger to shift all that land
    ………………………………..
    It matters to the base of the pyramid when foreigners are allowed to pick the eyes out of the real estate since, although they don’t take it with them, they exclude New Zealanders by their occupation of it.

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  51. holysheet (419 comments) says:

    How about John Key buying the lodge just to piss off winston first. That would be karma

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  52. hj (7,059 comments) says:

    Interesting how the condemnation arrives before the text of his speech?

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  53. hj (7,059 comments) says:

    The very people who say today that we’ve got a population aging problem, by some intellectual gymnastics defend the policy that allows more than forty per cent of immigrants to New Zealand from one country to be over 50 years of age.

    This policy is economic lunacy.

    Which New Zealand prime minister in the hundred years prior to 1984 would have tolerated this?
    One of the disastrous consequences from this policy now sees hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders in Australia being treated as second class citizens.

    http://nzfirst.org.nz/speech/real-state-nation

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  54. Keeping Stock (10,403 comments) says:

    @ hj – the text of his speech has been widely reported. He’s told a blatant lie, because Huka Lodge clearly has NOT been sold, nor it seems is it about to be.

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  55. cha (4,076 comments) says:

    NOT been sold, nor it seems is it about to be.

    But if he said that a convicted criminal had told him so, would you believe him?.

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  56. hj (7,059 comments) says:

    How long until the “independent” NZIER calls for population increase (again)? Would help the construction industry which has boomed since 2002 and suffers from “boom and bust”. Helpful also that the NZ Productivity Commission “can find no evidence that immigrants put up house prices” and a few selective poll questions from the Asia NZ Foundation for sauce.

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  57. hj (7,059 comments) says:

    @ hj – the text of his speech has been widely reported. He’s told a blatant lie, because Huka Lodge clearly has NOT been sold, nor it seems is it about to be.
    ……………
    but it isn’t a lie if a real estate insider told him; it’s a set up. In which case it would be piece of dirty, sophisticated work by vested interests?

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  58. duggledog (1,576 comments) says:

    Hold on a minute – there HAS to be more to this. Has Winston been tricked?

    Who was the estate agent who told him it was sold? Did he make that person up out of thin air and then goad the media with a complete lie that he would have known would be reported and easily refuted before he’d finished talking?

    I don’t get it, Winnie’s mental and a liar but not THAT mental. And yes I know his form, but this just seems nuts

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  59. hj (7,059 comments) says:

    The Prime Minister started a debate about our flag – forgetting that he had already changed it to a FOR SALE flag like the ones used by Auckland real estate agents.

    http://nzfirst.org.nz/speech/real-state-nation

    Good idea: add a Harcourts or Baileys logo to the flag!?

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  60. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    although they don’t take it with them, they exclude New Zealanders by their occupation of it.

    So New Zealanders will be excluded from booking accommodation if the Chinese buy it?

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  61. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    why is it okay for someone born in Holland to own Hula Lodge, but not someone born in China? Its racism.

    That depends. Is the person from Holland a permanent resident of NZ, who spends most of his time here, or better yet someone who’s migrated and taken on NZ citizenship and is working for the good of his adopted homeland? Then that’s great.

    If however he’s sitting in Amsterdam buying up prime pieces of NZ real estate and funneling the profits of their operations out of the country, then not so much. If he’s using his interest in those businesses as a pathway to citizenship of a country he doesn’t wish to occupy and merely as a passport of convenience (so that countries like Australia have to discriminate against native-born NZ citizens who emigrate there, just to protect their own borders), then definitely not so much.

    And it matters not whether he’s Dutch, Asian, English, South African or Martian.

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  62. Spiritfree (79 comments) says:

    You can all slag off Winston Peters all you like.

    But the thing is, he is the only mainstream politican in New Zealand who is telling it like it is. From Stuff’s story today:

    ” Instead of taking steps to fix the problems, successive governments had instead turned to appeasing Maori leaders.

    This had fostered an industry where it was not possible to question what the Treaty of Waitangi “industry” did or said, just like in communist Russia, Peters said.

    “New Zealand governments have faithfully followed a similar policy, where the Treaty of Waitangi grievance industry is concerned – the Treaty travellers are never wrong.” ”

    Most every major politician is ignoring the elephant in the room (the grievance industry) and thereby leaving the country in a horrible mess. Ignoring this situation will not make it go away! It is not just a matter of treaty settlements. It is the sentiments of hundreds of thousands of NZ’ers, who are in effect being told by the grievance industry, supported by the Wellington bureacracy, that everything wrong with their lives is the fault of colonisation. You cannot have a successful country when there is festering sore running right through it, like a rotten stick of rock. Ignoring this issue is not the right way to run a country and it is only Winston who is bold enough to say this.

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  63. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    “You can all slag off Winston Peters all you like.”

    We do, he’s a corrupt lying sleazebag, but thanks for your permission.

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  64. RF (1,440 comments) says:

    Where has Winstone gone. I have a bridge for sale at a steal. I am sure he will want it to head off the Chinese.

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  65. Pete George (23,677 comments) says:

    But the thing is, he is the only mainstream politican in New Zealand who is telling it like it is

    Ah, no, he tells things like the aren’t, as he did today. Sure, when Winston is involved there’s bound to be a conspiracy involved, but even if someone set him up as a senior politician with extensive experience he shouldn’t just take anyones word for any accusation, should he. He would surely check things out, especially things as serious as he accused the Prime Minister.

    He would make sure he actually had evidence before making a serious accusation.

    Yeah, nah.

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  66. hj (7,059 comments) says:

    Immigration and Usurpation: Elites, Power, and the People’s Will
    http://cis.org/Usurpation-Elites-People'sWill
    Elite vs. Public Opinion: An Examination of Divergent Views on Immigration
    http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1402.html

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  67. smttc (761 comments) says:

    Good old hj the troll.

    hj=threadjack.

    Must have about half the posts on this thread. Time you set up your own blog and just fuck off.

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  68. freemark (610 comments) says:

    Is hj hueross69? Or are they just all analgrams of Clint, Trev & other miserable dishonest Socialists?

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  69. Brian Smaller (4,024 comments) says:

    The only thing I agree with HJ on is that we shouldn’t be importing thousands of Chinese almost ready to get the pension. Twenty year old Chinese with a long working and taxpaying life ahead of them I have no problem with.

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  70. SPC (5,751 comments) says:

    Brian, we allow Chinese migration under the same terms as others, it’s just they are more likely than other migrants to bring relatives with them – as their super provision is not of a western standard.

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  71. Viking2 (11,544 comments) says:

    Talk about shooting the messenger?

    The Lodge belongs to a company, no doubt incorporated in some foreign land. The absentee owner is fully within his rights to sell the shares of said company to another company or person.The company may change shareholders but the company remains as it was. changing ownership of companies happens all the time. How much interest the OIC takes depends I guess on the form that ownership takes but some lawyer here might be able to tell us he detail.
    One suspects that its not much.

    The upside would be this. Europe is basically broke and wealthy there have become a lot poorer. The opposite is true for china and there is pro rata 4 times as many very wealthy Chinese as there is Europeans. So it makes sense to encourage them to bring in the wealthy and take their money from them.

    A point to remember is that van the dutchman, who would seem to be the current owner, was a mate of Micheal Fay and was involved in some nefarious dealings with that clutch of rascals.

    Anything is possible.

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  72. SPC (5,751 comments) says:

    The main issue I have with foreigners buying up local assets exists, is in their not paying any tax on the CG, but I have the same problem with locals buying up land and not paying a CGT.

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  73. Viking2 (11,544 comments) says:

    SPC (4,158 comments) says:
    February 21st, 2014 at 8:01 pm

    Brian, we allow Chinese migration under the same terms as others, it’s just they are more likely than other migrants to bring relatives with them – as their super provision is not of a western standard.
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    them and the Indians. No reason why the taxpayer should front for their pensions. Just as bad as paying toi educate their kids who then piss off back where they came from leaving the average Kiwi out of pocket.

    We don’t seem able to stop giving away other peoples money in this country. I see that the govt. has notched up another deficit, not enough tax been collected. And you want Asians and Indians to share the privileges while all the while they operate with cash and pay no tax, acc GST and so on.

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  74. SPC (5,751 comments) says:

    Viking2, simply selling the company (companies do pay tax on CG) that owns the building and land means no CG to pay tax on. The foreigners are simply collecting an untaxed CG by changing ownership of the company.

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  75. Johnboy (16,980 comments) says:

    Huka Lodge should be bought by the government to stop filthy overseas owned cartels of hoteliers creating a multiopoly that may give Shane (the wanker) Jones another platform to jerk on! :)

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  76. wiseowl (925 comments) says:

    I am not a Winston supporter but it amuses me how this is a hate WP blog.

    The Huka Lodge issue is of minor importance to the rest of his speech.

    He is right about this country embracing apartheid under National and he is right about people coming here that have no interest in being kiwis.
    National under Key have totally stuffed this country through appeasement and immigration.Their immigration policy of 40,000 immigrants a year to help stuff it, should be up for debate.

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  77. Johnboy (16,980 comments) says:

    Dear dear wiseowl. I follow your rhetoric in the msm blogs. You should change your nom de guerre to prizetool. :)

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  78. Pete George (23,677 comments) says:

    I don’t think this country is anywhere near stuffed, and it certainly isn’t any more stuffed than five years ago. It’s a great country to live in. Sure, there’s a few challenges and problems, but that’s the case anywhere, and I’d certainly rather be hear thaa anywhere else.

    NZ is as good as it is today thanks to a couple of hundred years of immigration.

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  79. Johnboy (16,980 comments) says:

    Shouldn’t that be a couple of thousand years of immigration PG?

    Wouldn’t want to marginalise the tongue-poking eye-rollers after all! :)

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  80. Sponge (226 comments) says:

    Wiseowl @8:26

    Methinks your name has been chosen a bit optimistically. Who would have done better than the Nats? Labour? Greens? Winston 1st? Rob Muldoon? Mickey Savage?

    Who?

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  81. Pete George (23,677 comments) says:

    When people come to New Zealand, New Zealand First says they should fit in…

    How should they do that? Learn to lie and exercise racism against subsequent immigrants like Peters?

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  82. Johnboy (16,980 comments) says:

    How about Solomon Sponge? :)

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  83. Johnboy (16,980 comments) says:

    When people come to New Zealand, New Zealand First says they should fit in…

    Voting NZ First would be a step in the right direction PG! :)

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  84. wat dabney (3,805 comments) says:

    ‘Could someone point out what ounce of difference it matters who owns Huka Lodge?’

    It matters to the base of the pyramid when foreigners are allowed to pick the eyes out of the real estate since, although they don’t take it with them, they exclude New Zealanders by their occupation of it.

    hj informs us that when foreigners buy NZ properties such as Huka Lodge, Kiwis are afterwards excluded.

    This is disturbing new information.

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  85. Johnboy (16,980 comments) says:

    I don’t give a fuck who owns Huka Lodge actually cause I can’t afford to stay there! :)

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  86. Johnboy (16,980 comments) says:

    Night Minus! :)

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  87. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    people from certain Communist Countries are given
    low interest Loans to operate Strategic “Businesses”
    to buy important Assets in countries like Australia and NZ

    Productive Land is one? *that is why they can out bid” no other reason

    and the Patch Work global invasion continues

    While all the “economists” who have a vested interest in this

    Ignore the Frantic military build up in asia?

    rather similar to the build up in Europe in the 1930’s

    anyone who questions this is labelled a “racist”

    I don’t agree with Winston but

    It is pretty obvious that
    the
    Chinese Communist Party
    the
    Chinese Military
    and
    Chinese Business

    are

    THE SAME THING

    Sure people can disagree and cook it all up as something legit

    and it is time to stop pretending that they are not
    and anyone who thinks other wise is pretty clueless

    That is what you are or are going to be dealing with
    Sooner or Later

    Winston should focus on Politics not Race
    as many Chinese are in NZ we hope to avoid Communism
    or are they working for it? Someone ask them?

    Communism makes things like National Socialism look like a tea party

    and if you disagree do look up how many millions of his own people Mao
    took out?

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/CHINA/Military.aspx

    that is what you are going to be dealing with and they will let
    AUS and NZ go to them just like HONG KONG

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  88. wiseowl (925 comments) says:

    Sponge,not sure what you are driving at.
    Done better than who or what??

    Johnboy,don’t have time to comment anywhere else, too busy producing for this country I love.

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  89. greybeard (62 comments) says:

    Lucia Maria, Duggledog and Spiritfree: I have to agree with all of you.

    Why is it that when something attributed to Winston Peters is published that it is immediately ridiculed ?
    I am 65 years old, a long-time National supporter and voter, reasonably intelligent, old enough not to be sucked-in by idiots and , I hope , experienced and generous enough to be able to try to see the other man’s point of view.

    Here is an email I sent to Larry Williams Newstalk ZB sometime last year, after listening to him supporting Chinese investment in NZ during some discussion on The Huddle:

    ” Why the desperate desire to get into bed with China ?

    China is still a communist country which hates the west and is currently waging a war with the west: not a militaristic war but an economic war. They intend to invest in / buy out / trade with / whatever to the point where they control the economies of western nations. Are you so naïve you can’t see that ?

    Helen Clark must be ecstatic at present, to see how a National government is falling over itself to do deals with China: this was always her goal, to bring their influence here.

    Why do we need the Chinese ? To keep the Warehouse stores full of rubbish ? And we give them our land in return: not a good deal. ”

    Well, maybe Winston has got the right end of the stick.. Maybe he is getting on a bit and has had a few credibility problems but maybe also he has also done his homework on his pet issues and is actually correct.

    I think National should be prepared to unite with both Winston and Colin Craig after the next election, to establish a middle-right government. Despite the negative MSM press and scathing comments on blogs, Winston and Colin Craig will both have a considerable following.

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  90. wat dabney (3,805 comments) says:

    as many Chinese are in NZ we hope to avoid Communism
    or are they working for it? Someone ask them?

    The Yellow Peril!

    anyone who questions this is labelled a “racist”

    In this case the label is perfectly applicable. To think that an ethic Chinese person – who undoubtedly lost family members to Communist barbarity – is automatically an agent for leftist tyranny is the very definition of racism. Or stupidity.

    If the Chinese Communist Part is paying way over the odds for overseas land then more fool them.

    Only a complete fool would conclude that overpaying is the way to world domination.

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  91. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    Have never stayed at Huka Lodge but once had a fabulous meal there. Was staying in Taupo and won a bit on the horses, so decided to dine at HL.

    Did the lot. Sherry before dinner, wine with the meal, cigars and liqueurs afterwards. Met some interesting people, mostly Americans, then staggered back to my motel.

    Not too bothered who owns the place so long as they keep the standards up.

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  92. wat dabney (3,805 comments) says:

    Why do we need the Chinese ? To keep the Warehouse stores full of rubbish ?

    Sorry greybeard. For the rest of us, cheap Chinese imports are every bit as good as a big pay rise.

    And no, “Chinese made” does not automatically mean “rubbish.” That’s just you lying or being supremely ignorant. Although, as it happens, there is a big market for cheap, quite low quality children’s shoes and clothes we can throw away after just a couple of years’ use. Sorry if this blessing offends you.

    China is still a communist country which hates the west and is currently waging a war with the west: not a militaristic war but an economic war. They intend to invest in / buy out / trade with / whatever to the point where they control the economies of western nations. Are you so naïve you can’t see that ?

    You lost me at the point where you claimed that centrally controlled economies would end up out-performing and dominating free-market ones. Are we back in the 1960’s? Did I sleep through the last 40 years?

    The only real debating point is how do “free” countries deal with tyranical governments. We hear, for example, that the EU is considering sanctions against the Ukrainian government. If that’s true, then the same sanctions should certainly apply against the equally evil Chinese government.

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  93. Sponge (226 comments) says:

    FoolishOwl@9:51

    “National under Key have totally stuffed this country through appeasement and immigration.Their immigration policy of 40,000 immigrants a year to help stuff it, should be up for debate.”

    You say that National under Key have totally stuffed the country. I am asking who would have done better. You ask for debate – debate that.

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  94. Paul Marsden (998 comments) says:

    If a total fabrication by Peters and I were the owners of Huka Lodge, I’d sue Peters for damages to the goodwill of the business.

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  95. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    @Rex

    And that would be a good counterargument, except for the fact that Winnie the Shit only complains about Asian (and to a lesser extent, Pasifika) immigrants.

    In reality he doesn’t give a hoot about anything except himself. He appeals to the base fears of older and/or ignorant NZers, and he lies, lies and lies.

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  96. dishy (248 comments) says:

    Hey Winston. Either:

    (a) show us an advertisement for the sale;
    (b) convince us that the place was sold with no advertising; or
    (c) stop pretending that we are as stupid as you are. Loser.

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  97. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    And the reality is this (intentionally) takes the focus away from real issues

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  98. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

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  99. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    Winston Peters, April 2008, on the matter of the $158,000 the Auditor General found was unlawfully spent:

    “When it’s all done and some serious good has come of it, we’ll let you know,” Mr Peters said.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10501306

    Where’s the money, you corrupt lying sleazebag?

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  100. simpleton1 (232 comments) says:

    No no. Winnie misheard.
    It was the “Hooker Dodge??”
    I think it is a very new establishment, that caters for the very top elite in Auckland with certain ethnic tastes.
    The whole thing is a total mix up or could be seen as a storm in a jade teacup.

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  101. coge (190 comments) says:

    Bet someone set Winston up on that one. Tipped him off!

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  102. big bruv (14,117 comments) says:

    Kyle Chapman and to a lesser extent (because he is brown) John Hatfield have been justifiably vilified by the media in NZ for being openly racist. So, why the fuck does Peters get away with the same type of racist bullshit?

    As others have said, I really think it might have something to do with Soper, Gower and co being a little bit scared of Peters, or (which is far worse) being prepared to put their journalistic credibility on hold because Peters gives them good copy every once in a while.

    If the gutless pricks in our media really were doing their job they could crucify Peters in the same manner they went after our very own David Garrett. It would not be hard to film Peters when he was pissed, interview him when he is in an unfit state and start asking questions about how much work the wanker never did when he is in the house or when he was last in government.

    I have little time for our media as it is, yet on the Peters issue they really display the very worst traits of their kind. I hold as much contempt for our media as I do for Peters.

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  103. Brian of Mt Wgtn (22 comments) says:

    I know what is wrong with Winston. When he has one too many whiskys he hears voices in his head telling him stories. He thinks it is someone standing beside him dressed in a cloak carrying a dagger that is giving him the inside info. SOBER up Winnie.

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  104. gimmeabreak (3 comments) says:

    Most of the Asians I have met in New Zealand I have liked, but is this diversity a good idea? I have known many who are not comfortable in English even though they grew up here. As China becomes more assertive, do we want a huge Chinese majority? It is not racist to ask these questions. It is common sense.

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  105. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    These little freak shows and they are Racist freak shows
    take peoples eyes and ears away from the Real Issues with Chinese Communist Expansion into the South Pacific

    I have no real issue with Chinese people I work with them

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/china- criticises-abbotts-policy-on-asylum-seekers-20140220-334bl.h tml

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-13/china-flexed-military- muscle-north-of-australia/5257686

    Did this have something to do with the Australian Politician Julia Bishop trying to discuss No Fly Zones

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-27/china-rejects-australian-criticism-of-new-air-zone/5120920

    Australia risks becoming embroiled in another diplomatic spat in Asia, with China warning there will be consequences if Foreign Minister Julie Bishop does not withdraw criticism of a new air defence zone in the East China Sea.

    Chinese or Asian Diplomacy in the Region is
    to use an analogy
    holding a gun to someones heads and then asking do you own that?

    That is what is going on right now and is being ignored

    You think the chinese military are arrogant now
    wait for another 20 years of
    MASSIVE expansion

    Then you will see their real aims

    and do not say You were Not Warned

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