A nation of intermarriage

March 21st, 2014 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Simon Collins writes in NZ Herald:

Two-thirds (66 per cent) of the 17,300 babies born in New Zealand last year with Maori ethnicity were also registered with at least one other ethnicity.

The same applies to 50 per cent of Pacific babies, 31 per cent of Asian babies and 29 per cent of European babies.

Similarly, 69 per cent of people in couples who listed Maori as one of their ethnicities in last year’s Census had partners with no Maori ethnicity, 46 per cent of Pacific people had partners with no Pacific ethnicity, 24 per cent of Asians had partners with no Asian ethnicity, and 12 per cent of Europeans had partners with no European ethnicity.

This is not new. NZ has always had a relatively high inter- rate, which I think is partly why our race relations are so much better (not perfect) than say Australia and the US.

The figures are even more extraordinary for Pacific and Asian people in couples where both partners were born in New Zealand. Fully 78 per cent of such Pacific people, and 82 per cent of Asians, had partners with no Pacific or Asian ethnicity.

So first generation immigrants tend to marry their own race, but second generation generally do not.

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39 Responses to “A nation of intermarriage”

  1. rouppe (971 comments) says:

    But it shows that having government services driven by whether someone is Maori is rapidly becoming redundant

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  2. EAD (1,087 comments) says:

    Anyone else ever get the feeling that Politicians, “Commentators”, “Policy Analysts” and especially fans of Big Government care more about this than the average Joe who has to go and work to create the wealth that gives these wise people the time to ponder this?

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  3. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    Racism it APPEARS no longer exists.

    But we won’t be hearing about that anytime too soon – as there’s no money in the truth for all those on the gravy train!

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  4. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    No surprise to folks who live in the south, where most of Ngai Tahu are white and many are blue eyed.

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  5. SGA (1,039 comments) says:

    Jack5 at 9:16 am

    No surprise to folks who live in the south, where most of Ngai Tahu are white and many are blue eyed.

    and the legacy of the Dalmation gum diggers can appear in Ngapuhi as well. It’s not a new phenomenon.

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  6. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    What on earth makes you think race relations in NZ are better than those in Australia?

    I don’t recall any black bastard here running around describing other Australians as ‘white mother fuckers.’

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  7. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    So first generation immigrants tend to marry their own race, but second generation generally do not.

    I’ve met heaps of Indians and Chinese who are much more ‘kiwi as’ than me, this doesn’t surprise me.

    So all these billions that we’re paying to the Maori ™ who think their history means they are special and I owe them something… what’s that all about?

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  8. SGA (1,039 comments) says:

    Adolf Fiinkensein at 9:35 am

    I don’t recall any black bastard here running around describing other Australians as ‘white mother fuckers.’

    And why’s that Adolf? Is it because they are so happy?

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  9. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    “Black B~” and “White Mother F~” were those the titles of Labour/NZF Mp Shane Jones’ taxpayer porno flicks?

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  10. kowtow (8,485 comments) says:

    Adolf

    Racism is a one way street.

    It can only be committed by us Captain Cook c#nts. A term some members of the indigenous “community” use to politely refer to the “invaders”.

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  11. Manolo (13,775 comments) says:

    If so, why are we forking out millions and millions on never-ending “treaty settlements” 160 years after the fact?
    Will the gravy train ever stop? No way.

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  12. Chuck Bird (4,884 comments) says:

    “Will the gravy train ever stop? No way.”

    Maybe if Jones goes with NZF and NZF goes with National.

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  13. Nigel Kearney (1,013 comments) says:

    Race should not be on the census form or birth certificates and I always refuse to answer it when asked. If people are using this information to make decisions, then they are obviously not thinking clearly and there’s no reason for the government to enable that.

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  14. ChardonnayGuy (1,207 comments) says:

    I’m happily polyglot. Mum’s got Ngai Tahu and Indian ancestry, with a good leavening of Oirish and Devon stock from Dad’s side as well. Yeah, National Front shitheads, I’m proudly Racially Impure!!! Deal with it!

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  15. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    High intermarriage rate?

    Of course we have – talk about stating the obvious. That is the nature of our heritage. I doubt there are very many people in New Zealand that are themselves not of mixed ethnicity and therefore who marry people of a different mix of ethnicity.

    Some of us are just a little more precious about it than others – I wonder if I can be apprehended for failing to declare mixed ethnicity when I got married?

    PS. I wonder how my children’s marriage forms would have looked if they had declared their mixed ethnicity – Scottish, Irish, English, Romani, Jewish, and (blush) Australian, too mention the most dominant ones?

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  16. ShawnLH (5,098 comments) says:

    I’m mixed French/Native American, my wife is Scottish/Ngai Tahu.

    The whole concept of “pure” blood is silly nonsense.

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  17. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    Her’s one to really get things going:

    All of us who are born in New Zealand are ‘Pacific Islanders’…

    Think about it, then use it in conversation.

    The reactions can be extremely interesting, especially amongst the Polynesian community.

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  18. backster (2,172 comments) says:

    I have a dream! one day we shall all be one people called….er…New Zealanders…The greatest obstacle seems to be that the more distant the Maori ancestry the greater the post colonial trauma and need for resource redress.

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  19. Rufus (667 comments) says:

    What is this “race” you keep talking about?

    I thought marriage rates in NZ were trending downward.

    The article hardly mentions “marriage”, but does talk a lot about “partnering” and “partnership”.

    So we don’t have more interracial “marriage” than Australia, but perhaps more interracial bonking.

    Also, the label “Maori” and “Polynesian” are becoming meaningless. Bear with me. Towards the start of the article he writes that the precious genes are being mixed and diluted to such an extent that even a one person household in St Heliers can call themselves “Maori” on the basis of a great-great-great grandfather or somesuch tenuous link. Yet then he wants to use the label to call for more assistance for those disadvantaged “Maori” and “Polynesians/Pacific” people. Now all of a sudden they are distinct groups.

    Heck, I look forward to the day that everyone can put “Maori” on their birth certificates.

    Then we can maybe focus on their situation, rather than ancestors and skin colour.

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  20. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    ChardonnayGuy posted at 10.32:

    Yeah, National Front shitheads, I’m proudly Racially Impure!!

    If National Front is the organisation headed by Kyle Chapman, ChardonnayGuy, know that Chapman is part-Maori, too.

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  21. corrigenda (142 comments) says:

    Dame Whena Cooper always said it was wrong to fight the pakeha, She said, marry them and we will soon outnumber them, or words to that effect.

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  22. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    @WineBloke

    “I’m happily polyglot.” you are cheerfully fluent in lots of languages?

    On the intermarriage side if you look at the UK where it had a huge influx of immigration in various waves since the 50s then you see that those groups who intermarry tend not to end up with racial problems. The Chinese and Indian/Pakistanis (not all Pakistanis) of that era had children, many of whom were of mixed marriages and while there were and always will be interracial issues when your childhood friends include, for instance, Eurasian, Indian/European, Chinese or Indian, then one tends to end up inoculated against racism. I speak from personal experience.

    We saw later waves of immigration where integration was much less and we see racial based riots and violence as an example of the consequences of such separatism. Bangladesh immigration led to much more insular and isolated communities for instance. We saw the racial issues in the North of the UK with such groups.

    Intermarriage is a consequence of integration I believe. Integration reduces racism and isolation of ethnic groups.

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  23. Odakyu-sen (655 comments) says:

    I agree with slijmbal.

    When you get a particular group that tends to keep very much to themselves and discourage their members from marrying outside their group–generation after generation after generation–they are likely prone to a “them vs. us” mentality.

    Being “pure” is fine and dandy, but you may tend to end up fearing and hating people who are not like you.

    It also pays to keep the water in the gene pool well mixed to avoid stagnation.

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  24. Odakyu-sen (655 comments) says:

    “Dame Whena Cooper always said it was wrong to fight the pakeha, She said, marry them and we will soon outnumber them, or words to that effect.”

    Well, if having even a drop of Maori blood makes you legally Maori, then Dame Cooper was indeed correct.

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  25. Odakyu-sen (655 comments) says:

    In the good ‘ol days, the pakeha (i.e., newcomer with the smart technology who took all our stuff and owes us big-time forever) was um, well, a “pakeha”.

    How times have changed.

    Right before their eyes, the “pakeha” is morphing into something new. To make matters worse, the “maori” are morphing as well through the same intermarriage with the recent arrivals the Asian region.

    How terrible! If this keeps up, one day there may not be anyone left to blame…

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  26. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    Odk-s

    Re: ‘If this keeps up, one day there may not be anyone left to blame…’

    You have actually hit on a good point there: Despite the Maori birthrate being reasonably high, the ‘new wave’ from Asia and the Middle East are ‘out producing them’ to the extent that it is estimated that in about 25 years or the Asians / ME immigrants will be in the majority.

    It has been suggested that this could be a reason for the increase in Treaty claims…

    Just a thought.

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  27. David Garrett (7,281 comments) says:

    Odakyu: You dont need even a drop mate…just “feel Maori” is all it takes…

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  28. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    David G

    ….”You dont need even a drop mate”….

    One of the best ever articles ever written on that theme came from Craig Bauld who wrote this for the Gisborne Herald:

    Ref: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/nz.general/EUN5JZYJYHc

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  29. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    Nice one nasska. In amongst it this little gem popped up:

    “Lesbians were invented
    so feminists wouldn’t breed.” :)

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  30. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    Or:

    Why do sumo wrestlers shave their legs?

    So people don’t confuse them with the feminists.

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  31. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    I felt a couple of Murris in my younger days DG but then I meet a beautiful blonde and I’ve never felt like a Murri again! :)

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  32. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    Remember Annette Badland nasska?

    She was the fat office girl in Bergarac! :)

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=annette+badland&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=VOMrU76IMIbYkgWwloDgAw&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=640#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=PMeKzpk8YnFMRM%253A%3B_49XqT49IMq30M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimages3.cinema.de%252Fimedia%252F8298%252F2238298%252Cyp%252BT7PMY5lKvdiJRNP2232rRcIxVh8A_S7N9IsWuz4QEwaEPZZrjpU%252BrJbihmueTTpJCTKIusJ0qmDEDRKo4WA%253D%253D.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.cinema.de%252Fbilder%252Fannette-badland%252C1550688.html%3B800%3B534

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  33. nasska (11,510 comments) says:

    Thinking of that is a form of birth control. :)

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  34. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    “PS. I wonder how my children’s marriage forms would have looked if they had declared their mixed ethnicity – Scottish, Irish, English, Romani, Jewish, and (blush) Australian, too mention the most dominant ones?”

    I always realised you were a mongrel Judith! :)

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  35. Odakyu-sen (655 comments) says:

    David Garrett wrote: “You don’t need even a drop mate…just “feel Maori” is all it takes…”

    That is a profound and scary notion.

    “Cogito igitur ergo sum”​​ now becomes “sentio igitur ego sum.” (I feel, therefore I am.)

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  36. Odakyu-sen (655 comments) says:

    Komata wrote: “…Despite the Maori birthrate being reasonably high, the ‘new wave’ from Asia and the Middle East are ‘out producing them’ to the extent that it is estimated that in about 25 years or the Asians / ME immigrants will be in the majority.”

    I somehow don’t think that the ‘new wave’ from Asia and the Middle East will do “white guilt” very well.

    Some say that Polynesians hail from southern Taiwan, making them Asian in origin. If this theory is true, then the second wave of Asian migrants is establishing itself in New Zealand.

    I think that on a certain visceral level, this new wave have the measure of the Maori: they have a better understanding of the Maori concept of “mana.” Perhaps this new type of Eastern pakeha can get inside the Maori head better than the old Western pakeha could.

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  37. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    MARRIAGE MEANS NOTHING IN NEW ZEALAND

    NOTHING AT ALL

    YOU MAY LIKE TO KID YOURSELVES OTHERWISE

    BUT A NZ MARRIAGE MEANS NOTHING AT ALL

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  38. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    Perhaps this new type of Eastern pakeha can get inside the Maori head better than the old Western pakeha could.

    You are a JOKE

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  39. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    >
    Perhaps this new type of Eastern pakeha can get inside the Maori head better than the old Western pakeha could.

    THE OLD WESTERN PAHEKA BOO HOOO HOOO

    BOOO HOOOO HOOO
    BOOO HOOO HOOO HOOO HOOOO
    BOO HOOO HOOOO

    WHO WILL YOU BLAIM WHEN YOU ARE ALL AT EACH OTHER THROATS AGAIN

    AND THE OLD WESTERN PAKHEA WILL NOT BE THERE TO SAVE YOU

    FROM THEM OR YOURSELVES

    YOU RABID RACIST TWERP

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