Blaming others for his own problems

March 7th, 2014 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Labour leader came out swinging in Hamilton after weathering an onslaught of criticism over repeated gaffes that threaten to derail him in an election year.

He was in Hamilton to push his Best Start policy to the education and social service sectors and the party faithful after a week-long scandal he said was just a storm in a teacup.

“Mate, that is just Wellington beltway politics,” he said yesterday. “Government has been trying to throw the kitchen sink at me in the last couple of weeks just to discredit me.”

Cunliffe said the same on Radio NZ, saying that the Government has been trawling through his accounts and trying to make out he is the victim of some Government hit campaign. But the reality is that all of his problems have been self-inflicted. Let’s take them in order:

  1. His misleading speech and false advertisement about the baby bonus – own goal
  2. The next day not knowing the details of part of his own policy – own goal
  3. Deciding to go after John Key for living in a leafy subject – own goal
  4. Describing his own household as a middle rang existence while on prob $600,000 or more a year – own goal
  5. Setting up a secret trust for his leadership donations – own goal, and exposed by NZ Herald – nothing to do with National
  6. Failing to disclose an investment trust to the Registrar of Pecuniary Interest on time – own goal, and exposed by TV3 after they heard him mention it
  7. Having his own office send Amy Adams their ICT policy ideas – own goal
  8. Letting Clare Curran take the blame and fall for a stuff up by his own office – own goal

I sort of wish National was so good they had a secret smart unit that was responsible for all of Cunliffe’s problems. But they’re not. All of them have been own goals, and the two about trusts have all been stories exposed by the media.

Earlier in the week the Labour leader admitted the late disclosure was a lapse of judgment but yesterday he said: “They are threatened by the ideas that we are bringing to New Zealanders. Everybody gets a chance, not just the few at the top. I guess the guys at the top, they don’t like that because they think they are going to pay for it and so they are really trying to take me out.

“Well, they can try but I am tougher than that.”

The humble phase doesn’t last long, does it.

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75 Responses to “Blaming others for his own problems”

  1. OneTrack (3,027 comments) says:

    DC and Len are starting to sound like peas in a pod.

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  2. duggledog (1,528 comments) says:

    It’s everybody else’s fault – this is what children say.

    No wonder the women don’t like him.

    ‘They are threatened by the ideas we are bringing to New Zealanders’ – no David, New Zealanders are threatened by the ideas you are bringing to New Zealanders, because we have seen them fail spectacularly only a little while ago, and all over the world since

    Dork

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  3. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    Cun*liffe continues his casual relationship with the “truth”

    The man has 10% support among voters for being PM, that is only 1/3 of his party vote and his Caucus HATE him.

    He is just a total tool.

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  4. ciaron (1,423 comments) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqJFIJ5lLs

    Yes, yes I am entertained.

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  5. thePeoplesFlag (242 comments) says:

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  6. tvb (4,366 comments) says:

    I guess he thinks attack is the best form of defence. Blaming others for your “own goals” is NOT what an adult does. He does not have the necessary character to be a Prime Minister.

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  7. redqueen (556 comments) says:

    Back on form, it’s just those ‘Wellington beltway politics’. Don’t worry, you stupid people in the rest of this country, I know what things are really like ‘in Wellington’. Arrogant, pompous, git. It’s either that or the gummy bears and unicorns leaked him this information.

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  8. Keeping Stock (10,301 comments) says:

    This Evans cartoon sums it up perfectly; the referee needs to stop the fight before one of the boxers seriously injures himself!

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/the-boxer.html

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  9. redqueen (556 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock

    That’s rather good :)

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  10. Keeping Stock (10,301 comments) says:

    @ DPF – you missed the leader’s office throwing Clare Curran under the bus, having her take the blame for a day for “accidently” sending the Labour/Dotcom ICT policy to Amy Adams.

    And when Cunliffe’s office finally did ‘fess up there was a name bandied around. That wouldn’t be the former Standard blogger who defected to Cunliffe’s office a few months ago, would it (NOT Greg Presland)? It’s a bit hard for Labour to moan about Key chatting to Whaleoil when at least two left-wing bloggers are so close to David Cunliffe, one so close that he banks the anonymous cheques.

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  11. Keeping Stock (10,301 comments) says:

    It is, isn’t it redqueen. There’s another good one from Tremaine doing the rounds involving a shot through a foot. I’m sure that it will see the light of day on a blog somewhere :D

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  12. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    He was also playing this line with Rachel Smalley yesterday:

    Smalley: Do you accept though that it looks shonkey.

    Cunliffe: I accept that there is a full scale assault against me and the Labour Party, and I would respectfully suggest that has something to do with what we stand for, which is a program of change that will bring a fairer better New Zealand.

    Smalley: Where’s that assault coming from?

    Cunliffe: I think that assault is coming from obviously from the National Party and no doubt from some people that support the National Party.

    And…

    Smalley: There are stronger calls…there are strong calls now for you from some quarters to resign. Under what circumstances would you relinquish the leadership?

    Cunliffe: Um I think that is a very very silly suggestion and I have had absolutely no conversations to that effect within the caucus I can assure you. This is a sustained assault on a political party by their political opponents, and I’m sure people can see it for what it is.

    Transcript: David Cunliffe with Rachel Smalley

    But his four embarrassments over the past week all look to be own goals.

    He started as Labour’s great Saviour. He’s now trying Martyr. Is he going to be crucified? Possibly through a Labour Judas.

    Cunliffe: from Saviour to Martyr – Crucifixion next?

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  13. duggledog (1,528 comments) says:

    The whole thing is a recipe for resignation. In the real world he’d be dog tucker, but this is the Labour Party.

    Student politics. They haven’t moved on.

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  14. Mobile Michael (446 comments) says:

    I think the worst case is Clare Curran taking the blame for a stuff up in Cunliffe’s office. She didn’t get to choose the staff, or create the distribution list in her office. All she did was jump in front of the on-coming train.

    If Cunliffe was smart, he’d call a pause over the weekend and sit down with his trusted team and discuss what went wrong and how to manage the message better so he doesn’t cock up so much. But he seems to be so arrogant and so sure about himself that he’ll probably be out sticiing his foot back in his mouth.

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  15. Nostalgia-NZ (5,121 comments) says:

    ‘He was up for a fight but he’s slowly learning it’s against himself, somebody might need to tell him that shadow boxing or sparring is not hitting yourself in the smooch.’

    It looks like Evans reads KB.

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  16. RRM (9,841 comments) says:

    Fail hard, silent t. Porno Shane Jones is starting to sound more and more like proper labour…

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  17. kaykaybee (152 comments) says:

    I’m no Cunliffe fan but I would’ve credited him with more smarts than to play the victim. What is he thinking when this series of character and policy lapses have been played out with even the slowest voter well aware of where the blame lies! He’s either getting poor advice or he’s just so personally wounded and defensive he’s winging his responses. Whatever – his diddums, poor me demeanour makes him and his Party look as weak as the proverbial. People are looking for leadership not a sook. I can’t see him climbing out of the pit his own ego, ambition over substance and lack of foresight have put him in . There’s an unbelievably deafening silence from caucus with only the usual blogging and tweeting loyalists like Russell Brown, Bomber, lprent etc spinning like lunatics for him. This is a clusterfuck

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  18. radvad (755 comments) says:

    Before he was just incompetent. Now he is a pathetic incompetent cry baby. This just gives the Nats a whole lot more ammunition.

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  19. niggly (820 comments) says:

    OMG I’ve woken up to hear this incredible new set of lies from Cunliffe? Who would have possibly thought he could be so incredibly stupid to change tack and come up with these stupid lines?

    Who dreamed up these lies?

    Cunliffe himself?

    Mickey Presland?

    McCarten?

    Also this just reinforces the perception and reality Cunliffe talks out of two sides of his mouth … again. The media journos must be incredulous at his continual duplicity?

    Shhhheeeeesh I had no idea I’d be waking up and eating popcorn again for breakfast!

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  20. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    I don’t think Labour’s left will allow Shane Jones to be their leader. The unions and members were the deciding numbers for Cunliffe.

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  21. OneTrack (3,027 comments) says:

    Might be time for Russell to make another call to labours fifth column and get a new leader in place before the whole left brand gets trashed.

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  22. niggly (820 comments) says:

    Considering various media editorials over the last few days have been critical of Cunliffe’s lapses of late …. what will they make of Cunliffe’s latest gaffe?

    Could be in for some interesting reading from the political commentator’s in the weekend papers etc!

    Perhaps TV3 and Patrick Gowler should get another interview or bring him back on The Nation to “please explain”!

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  23. burt (8,241 comments) says:

    What this actually highlights is how disgraceful union leadership is. Classic case of do as I say not as I do. The MO of the left is laid bare for everyone to see except myopic partisans who defend this kind of shit.

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  24. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

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  25. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    It never ceases to amaze me how people never learn that it is there own actions in life which affect them the most.

    I’m not much of a believer in airy fairy stuff – but it would appear ‘karma’ has come back to bite Cunnliffe fairly and squarely on the butt. I hope Shearer is deriving at least a small amount of pleasure from this. I still believe that Shearer would have been a better option, perhaps not for this election, but in time would have ‘grown’ into the position. But then maybe he is just too nice – and that doesn’t always work in politics.

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  26. burt (8,241 comments) says:

    So what consequences will he face for failing to disclose the donors in his leadership trust or for not disclosing his investment ?

    I’m picking none … those clauses in the law for the consequences when the law is not complied with – they are just decoration right ? All he needs to do is say ‘oops’ followed by ‘move on’ – that’s it ….

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  27. Steve Wrathall (283 comments) says:

    …John Key for living in a leafy suburb?
    A leafy subject is what Prince Charles talks to.

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  28. burt (8,241 comments) says:

    ross69

    So lets be clear – If Labour passed a law that said it was illegal to use secret trusts then the party leader used a secret trust – you would still defend them right ?

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  29. mandk (968 comments) says:

    @ PG,

    The lefties won’t let Shane Jones become leader. He’s tainted because he has an understanding of business and the importance of making a profit.
    Apologies for using the P word so early in the morning :-)

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  30. alex Masterley (1,510 comments) says:

    Ross,
    I haven’t seen the government do anything.
    Mr Cunliffes problems are friendly fire, mostly coming out of his own gun.
    As for the Nats rejuvenation. Well in some cases it is cutting out deadwood, or people deciding enough is enough, calling time and finding better paying jobs for less effort.
    Mr Ryall for example will be snapped up by the private sector and will be offered positions that make even a Ministers Salary look like chicken feed. Most if not all of the Nats retirees will be in the same boat.
    Sadly that is not something one can say about the old tuckers in the Labour caucus.

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  32. peterwn (3,246 comments) says:

    So if David Cunliffe thinks the Government was been trawling through his accounts, then what the hell was Mike Williams (then Labour Party President and holder of 6 Government sinecures) doing in Melbourne in 2008?

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  33. burt (8,241 comments) says:

    alex

    That’s why there is no rejuvenation in Labour – who would employ a fist swinging dim-bulb like Mallard. The old trougher couldn’t even comply with the rules of the EFA he voted to pass. It was confusing and others did it too… Not many petulant child jobs on tradme.

    King… my god it’s hard to imagine a role in the real world that she could perform … Goff… He might get a job as a clown or something …

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  34. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Failing to disclose an investment trust to the Registrar of Pecuniary Interest on time

    And in the same category as Chris Finlayson, Nathan Guy, and Simon Bridges. There’s absolutely no excuse for a Minister to hide investments!

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  35. Fisiani (1,032 comments) says:

    This latest outburst from The Cunliffe confirms my clinical diagnosis of him being in the 1% of the population with narcisssistic personality disorder. I say this not with any sense of hubris or schadenfreude but with huge concern that if The Cunliffe was elected we would have another Muldoonist demigod ruling and ruining New Zealand.

    From Wikipedia

    Some people diagnosed with a narcissistic personality disorder are characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance. They have a sense of entitlement and demonstrate grandiosity in their beliefs and behavior. They have a strong need for admiration, but lack feelings of empathy.[4]
    Symptoms of this disorder, as defined by the DSM-IV-TR include:[1]
    Expects to be recognized as superior and special, without superior accomplishments
    Expects constant attention, admiration and positive reinforcement from others
    Envies others and believes others envy him/her
    Is preoccupied with thoughts and fantasies of great success, enormous attractiveness, power, intelligence
    Lacks the ability to empathize with the feelings or desires of others
    Is arrogant in attitudes and behavior
    Has expectations of special treatment that are unrealistic
    Other symptoms in addition to the ones defined by DSM-IV-TR include: Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends, has trouble keeping healthy relationships with others, easily hurt or rejected, appears unemotional, and exaggerating special achievements and talents, setting unrealistic goals for himself/herself.[5]
    Narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, and an over-inflated sense of self-importance that is in the same category as antisocial and borderline personality disorders.[6]
    In addition to these symptoms, the person may display arrogance, show superiority, and seek power.[7] The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder can be similar to the traits of individuals with strong self-esteem and confidence; differentiation occurs when the underlying psychological structures of these traits are considered pathological. Narcissists have such an elevated sense of self-worth that they value themselves as inherently better than others, when in reality they have a fragile self-esteem, cannot handle criticism, and often try to compensate for this inner fragility by belittling or disparaging others in an attempt to validate their own self-worth. Comments and criticisms about others are vicious from sufferers of NPD, in an attempt to boost their own poor self-esteem.[8]
    Another narcissist symptom is a lack of empathy. They are unable to relate, understand, and rationalize the feelings of others. Instead of behaving in a way that shows how they are feeling in the moment, they behave in the way that they feel they are expected to behave or what gives them the most attention.[5]
    In children, inflated self-views and grandiose feelings, which are characteristics of narcissism, are part of the normal self-development. Children typically cannot understand the difference between their actual and their ideal self, which causes an unrealistic perception of the self. After about age 8, views of the self, both positive and negative, begin to develop based on comparisons of peers, and become more realistic. Two factors that cause self-view to remain unrealistic are dysfunctional interactions with parents that can be either excessive attention or a lack thereof. For example but not limited to, the excessive attention and lack of attention go hand in hand when a child’s parents are divorced. Usually, one is overindulgent (typically the one seeing the child less) and the other shows less affection.[5] The child either compensates for lack of attention or acts in terms of unrealistic self-perception.[9]
    An extensive US survey found a high association with other disabilities, especially amongst men: mental disability, substance use, mood, anxiety disorders and other personality disorders, bipolar I disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, and schizotypal and borderline personality disorders were among the associated disabilities.[10]

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  36. ShawnLH (4,609 comments) says:

    The “poor kids” won’t be aware of any of it because they live in Africa, South America, India…..

    There is no real poverty in NZ. Only stupidity, ignorance of basic economics, bad decision making, and a profound lack of personal responsibility.

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  37. Rick Rowling (812 comments) says:

    ross69 says: Yeah I can’t imagine kids living in poverty will be giving it much attention

    Won’t somebody think of the chiiiiiiildren?

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  38. ShawnLH (4,609 comments) says:

    Ross69 must be a troll. Nobody is THAT stupid and delusional.

    I could be wrong……

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  39. alex Masterley (1,510 comments) says:

    Burt,
    To be fair Phil Goff is an exception. He was a pretty good Foreign affairs and trade minister.
    The China FTA happened on his watch. He would be able to get a High Commissioners job somewhere and he would do a very good job.
    The others well….

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  40. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    Perhaps McCarten is trying to copy the Green ‘victim’ strategy.

    It doesn’t work when you’re clear;y a victim of your own stuff-ups and your own staff stuff-ups and colleague kicks up the groin.

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  41. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Fisiani (815 comments) says:
    March 7th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Good lawdy … I’m no fan of Cunliffe’s and you may very well be right, but anyone that thinks they can make a CLINICAL diagnosis of someone from media reports and at a distance, should consider booking in for a diagnosis of their own!

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  42. Dave_1924 (114 comments) says:

    Mr Cunliffe has finally gone on the offensive… about time, but what an appalling attack line. I’m here to save the world, the Nats and their backers don’t like so they are trying to DESTORY me…..
    If he wants to generate positive storylines and move the debate on he needs to 1) Get his team in line, as its obvious the negative stuff is coming from within Labour in an attempt to undermine him, 2) THINK before he speaks 3) Know his own policy inside out so when he presents it he doesn’t misrepresent it 4) HTFU!!! The whining prima dona line he is currently spinning won’t cut it in the sports club, public bars and factories of this country.

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  43. ShawnLH (4,609 comments) says:

    Count this pathetic girly-man whinging by Cunliffe as another own goal. The general public know that Cunliffe’s gaffe’s are of his own making. That National is making hay from them is just politics, and people know it. But they will not buy the “poor me, I’m persecuted by those nasty rich pricks, no no, the ones slightly richer than me…” crap. It makes him look like a weak, pathetic, whining loser.

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  44. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Meanwhile Gerry Brownlee’s clusterfuck makes Cunliffe look like Mother Teresa. :)

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9800569/Brownlee-taken-to-task

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  45. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    In the black art of propaganda what Cunliffe is doing is called creating artificial reality and what he’s doing is creating a line that all the lefty journalists and sub-editors can use to spread the meme. That’s the idea and what’s the bet Matt is the one who suggested it. This is how it works:

    By framing the entire programming of the network, and by subtle editorializing over news stories, you can create an artificial reality, posing as the truth.

    As a media mogul, you drive the programming and choose what to cover and how to cover it through your upper management, programming and editor selections. As a viewer, is is critically important to remember that every word read comes from a teleprompter, and the people who write, edit and select the copy are the ones actually delivering the content. The people who actually read the news to you are in that position because they are experts at reading propaganda and sounding convincing while doing it.

    “For better or worse, my company is a reflection of my character, my thinking, my values” – Rupert Murdoch

    Good looking, likable, trusted newscaster:

    “here is a story about someone who did the right thing”.

    According to whom? The programming director?

    Ex: xyz is a desired reality or propaganda point….

    Good looking, likable, trusted newscaster says on the most widely watched news channel in America:

    “I believe xyz and I think the majority of Americans are right there with me”.

    Not. This is pure propaganda in it’s most overt form.

    “Never again will you be capable of ordinary human feeling. Everything will be dead inside you. Never again will you be capable of love, or friendship, or joy of living, or laughter, or curiosity, or courage, or integrity. You will be hollow. We shall squeeze you empty and then we shall fill you with ourselves” – George Orwell

    Did you note Cunliffe’s use of the majority allusion in the quote below? That’s the tell it’s propaganda.

    They are threatened by the ideas that we are bringing to New Zealanders. Everybody gets a chance, not just the few at the top. I guess the guys at the top, they don’t like that because they think they are going to pay for it and so they are really trying to take me out.

    Us and them. He uses it twice to contrast with “NZers” and “everybody” then uses it 4 times in isolation in the next sentence. It looks natural but those sentences were scripted, memorised and rehearsed.

    http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/a-citizens-guide-to-understanding-corporate-media-propaganda-techniques/

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  46. chris (644 comments) says:

    ross69:

    Goes to show how desperate this tawdry government is getting. No surprise that 14 of them are quitting before they find themselves in Opposition.

    It seems to me that National MPs don’t see Parliament as the be all and end all, and that there’s a future beyond politics. As opposed to the Labour Party whose caucus is full of dinosaurs who are in it for as long as they can.

    There’s no policy announcements…they don’t even have a policy on paid parental leave other than 26 weeks is too long. To be fair, they’ve only had 14 years to develop a policy. LOL

    Why should there be? The election is (presumably) still many months away. Just because Labour and the Greens are announcing policies now doesn’t mean National need to. They’re busy actually being the Government rather than wanting to be.

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  47. ShawnLH (4,609 comments) says:

    “Meanwhile Gerry Brownlee’s clusterfuck makes Cunliffe look like Mother Teresa.”

    No Ross, it really doesn’t. Face it, your Dear Leader has failed. IF, and it’s a big if, he lasts out the next few weeks, he will be monstered by Key in any debate.

    The man is a pathetic lying fraud who treats the NZ public as idiots who he thinks will believe any facile lie.

    In short, he’s unelectable.

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  48. lilman (953 comments) says:

    lol, Judith you are a particularly high stool this morning.
    Finished the dishes already?

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  49. ShawnLH (4,609 comments) says:

    “They are threatened by the ideas that we are bringing to New Zealanders.”

    Why would THEY be? The few crumbs and bribes pretending to be policies have fallen totally flat with the public. Beyond the usual tax and spend stupidity, Labour’s has NO original ideas to begin with, and their policies have made zero impact in the polls.

    No David, THEY could not care at all. THEY don’t take you seriously.

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  50. dime (9,869 comments) says:

    “Meanwhile Gerry Brownlee’s clusterfuck ..”

    shouldnt that be demerits too?

    Meanwhile ross continues to suck labour cock even though he knows its a festering, disease ridden thing.

    As for cunliffe – BAHAHAHAHAHAHA i thought this douche bag was trying to appeal to the waitakere man? “cunliffe? isnt he that rich c*nt who cries when hes wrong? yeah, im gonna vote for JK, hes a good bastard”

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  51. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    “Tojo” and Lecher make a good pair . . . charlatans! If one combined them with the evil criminal obese German, they would represent the most despicable trio NZ has ever had misfortune to tolerate.

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  52. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    ross 69: National MPs leave Parliament to go on and produce for the good of NZ, and pay taxes. Your ilk leave Parliament, then go on leeching off either ratepayers, unionists, or taxpayers (as non-productive academics). Like you, these left wing bludgers never become anything of substance, just refuse.

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  53. kiwi in america (2,428 comments) says:

    Ross69
    Noted left tilting political reporter Vernon Small begs to differ from your assessment of National’s rejuvenation by criticizing Labour’s lack of the same http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/9795269/Rejuvenation-tough-challenge-for-Labour

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  54. ShawnLH (4,609 comments) says:

    Ross69 reminds me of PhilU. Remember, the revolution was always just around the corner, the “people” were waking up, global liberal-left paradise any day now, Key is unelectable and will not win any elections, watch the next polls, they will show Labour-Geens on 95%…….

    Delusional thinking is never pretty.

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  55. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Judith: Time to get off the keyboard, get on your zimmer frame and visit the vet; you appear to have a thorn in one of your paws.

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  56. hmmokrightitis (1,586 comments) says:

    Contrast the victim shit with an alternative response:

    “You know what, it was my doing. I screwed up, those are not my values, I need to be more transparent, open and honest with NZ. How can I ask you to believe in my and my values, my party’s values, when I stumble like this. Ive learned some hard lessons from this, and no one else is to blame for this. This situation, these mistakes, are mine and mine alone.”

    Then, if he had come out with something like that, the collective public may have thought yeah, fair call, mea cupla bro, we all screw up eh. But hes an arrogant fuck, that would never have occurred to him. Ever. Good luck with that material McCarten, you’re pushing shit up hill, no matter how wossy tries to deflect.

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  57. dime (9,869 comments) says:

    one thing about Ross’ comment today, it shows just how screwed cunliffe is. even ross cant defend him. he had to go with “meanwhile…” and deflect to something else.

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  58. Peter (1,700 comments) says:

    No one likes a whining wimp. Especially women.

    Own it, Dave.

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  59. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (876 comments) says:

    I think there is no damage done here. All minor mistakes. Next poll will show a strong support for Labour and its tax and spend policies….move on fellows…

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  60. stigie (1,110 comments) says:

    We have moved on SCS, with a huge win for the Nats in October and maybe again in 2017 !!~

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  61. srylands (408 comments) says:

    https://www.ipredict.co.nz/app.php?do=contract_detail&contract=PM.2014.LABOUR

    Today’s Change: DOWN 8.61%

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  62. stigie (1,110 comments) says:

    Doesnt look good Srylands from where i am sitting.

    There prediction over at the Strandard is some what different !~

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  63. srylands (408 comments) says:

    “There prediction over at the Strandard is some what different !~”

    Yes I had an inflamed interchange with Lynne Prentice who explained to me that Ipredict was rigged, and that the market was being skewed by “rich” people. I had a look at the order book for both the “PM Labour” and “PM National” stocks. They both comprise large numbers of buyers and sellers. There are a few larger traders, but they seem to be active in both stocks. But mostly it is small traders.

    To summarise, there is no evidence that a couple of players have conspired to bid up the “PM National” price for political purposes, as suggested by The Standard.

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  64. hmmokrightitis (1,586 comments) says:

    LOL, thats right, THe Stranded is full of people who know how markets work. Best LOL in ages :)

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  65. srylands (408 comments) says:

    “Doesnt look good Srylands from where i am sitting.”

    It will be interesting if the Ipredict stock “PM National” breaks through the 70 cents mark. Even a month ago I would not have picked that. Of course there is still 6 months to go :-)

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  66. niggly (820 comments) says:

    In terms of that so called Labour-Greens-Mana-NZF(?) grand coalition, that according to the Standard etc, will take out National at the upcoming elections and install Cunliffe as PM of NZ for all time (ah bless them and their free dreams) …

    Has anyone/they/MSM etc thought to consider, why would say the Greens/Mana/NZF want to be associated with such a doofus as Cunliffe AND Labour?!!!

    Why aren’t journos asking Russel, Metiria, Hone, Winston etc “are you sure you want to go into coalition with Labour when their leader and party has this propensity to shot themselves in the foot and make continual gaffes? Do you really want to be associated with Labour? Really? Why”??? “Why set your sights low and instead why not overtake Labour as the main opposition party”???

    Gee if I were a journo I’d be asking these questions, it would be very enlightening to hear the responses from these 4 etc. Would make good copy … and if I were one of those “mischievous journos”, it would also provide days and days worth of news items and coverage, following the responses back and forth between these 4 and Cunliffe! Never mind the entertainment value!

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  67. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    It seems to me that National MPs don’t see Parliament as the be all and end all

    Is that meant to be some kind of explanation for their poor performance?

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  68. Duxton (643 comments) says:

    What I find most amusing is that he seems to think that is okay for him to try to discredit the government, but they can’t do the same to him.

    What an arrogant, self-centred prick.

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  69. Keeping Stock (10,301 comments) says:

    @ ross69 – do you have to try really hard to behave like a dork, or does it come naturally?

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  70. stigie (1,110 comments) says:

    @ ross69 I think the Phool made more sense than you.

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  71. mandk (968 comments) says:

    You know, I kinda like ross69.

    Reading the ravings of a delusional socialist is enough to make anyone chuckle.

    And (s)he’s succinct.

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  72. peterwn (3,246 comments) says:

    The three rules of diplomacy (I saw somewhere):
    1. Do not get caught.
    2. If you are caught, do not admit it.
    3. Fasten the blame firmly on to someone else.

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  73. hmmokrightitis (1,586 comments) says:

    mandk, I agree, and you know where you stand. Red, infallable, or, if found wanting, point elsewhere. National, corrupt. I wonder if such delusions are instilled through poor parenting or as a result of a failed life?

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  74. Peter (1,700 comments) says:

    Dave: “The beating I’ve been getting is nothing compared to the beating Len’s been giving himself!”

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  75. holysheet (364 comments) says:

    Please, please, please don’t let the prick cun*liffe resign. I want to see what else he can stuff up, all by himself. Give him enough rope and he will surely hang himself.

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