Bradford against Mana Dotcom deal

March 24th, 2014 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Now Hone’s proposed deal with the German multi-millionaire has been exposed, some in his party are wary. The Herald reports:

member and former MP is worried at the prospect of any deal with Mr Dotcom’s internet Party, which has yet to be launched.

“I would be extremely concerned if Mana was to go into any arrangement with because what I think he stands for is the anti-thesis of what Mana is about to me,” she told the Herald last night.

Indeed, normally you’d expect Mana and UNITE to picket him for being a bad employer. But Hone wants his money it seems.

“In any way joining forces with a billionaire who is very likely a fraudster and under various legal challenges would really go against the kaupapa that I believe in.”

She said there had also been concerns about the poor payment or no payment of staff and poor payment or low payment of creditors.

“All this does not really one to think he is a person of credibility that a political party with mana in Aotearoa would want to be associated with.”

Well done Sue Bradford on staying true to her principles. She’s not in favour of selling out.

Labour’s Shane Jones said he visited the mansion late last year. But the discussion was limited to rap-music – and he had told leader David Cunliffe about the visit.

Rap music? Yeah, right. Are they any Labour MPs that haven’t visited Dotcom? If Shane Jones has been there, I presume every Labour MP has been invited at some stage. Maybe media can ask them all who has been?

It does make you wonder again if Dotcom is one of the secret donors to Cunliffe’s secret trust?

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47 Responses to “Bradford against Mana Dotcom deal”

  1. tvb (4,431 comments) says:

    Watching these leftist politicians get drawn to KDC’s honey pot of money is disgusting. Sure political parties need money and deals have to be done to get it. But KDC??

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  2. Ryan Sproull (7,205 comments) says:

    Yeah, good on Bradford for keeping her integrity. A pity that this seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

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  3. Fisiani (1,040 comments) says:

    The Cunliffe’s secret trust is not secret anymore and due to the pecuniary interest rules The Cunliffe HAS to reveal the names of the two mystery donors. Paying back their money does not invalidate the giving and receiving of the money. This will be another nail in The Cunliffe’s coffin.

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  4. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    tvb.
    Socialists are only socialist with other peoples money.
    When it comes to making money for themselves they are greedy rapacious vultures.

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  5. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    Bradford on RadioLive via 3 News: Dotcom a deal-breaker for Bradford

    Mana Party candidate Sue Bradford says she’ll walk away from the party if it enters an agreement with Kim Dotcom’s Internet Party.

    Ms Bradford, a former Green Party MP who has been with Mana since its inception in 2011, told RadioLIVE there aren’t many similarities between the two parties.

    “I find it incredible that a party with the kaupapa Mana has should be considering going into an alliance with Kim Dotcom – a man who tried to buy off the right and failed and now he seems to have turned to the left to buy the left off,” she says.

    “This is so far from the kaupapa I’ve dedicated my life to and I find it quite extraordinary.”

    She says it “wouldn’t be possible” for her to stay with the party if it did do a deal with Dotcom.

    “I don’t think doing deals with right-wing internet billionaires who are facing a number of legal challenges is the way forward for any party that adheres to the principles of social, and economic and treaty justice that I believe in,” she says.

    “We should really be thinking twice about this.”

    Ms Bradford says there are others in the party who think the same way she does, and has expressed her views to the party leadership.

    It could be a “short-sighted conversation” and a “bubble in a tea cup”, and nothing could come of it in the end, she says.

    She also had questions about how Dotcom treats his own staff, who have complained about poor wages and not being paid.

    And @MorganGodfery

    Hone has been pushing for a merger for some time. First with the Maori Party, now it seems the Internet Party. Neither option makes sense.

    That’s a good point. Harawira must be frustrated by lack of progress with the Mana Party on it’s own.

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  6. tvb (4,431 comments) says:

    There is a practical problem of KDC getting access to any money to pay for these political deals. He cannot pay his creditors presumably because his money lies frozen. Will the court allow money to be released to pay for his political favours. I doubt that. Hone before he gets in too deep needs to see if KDC has any access to money, which I presume is the reason for any political deal.

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  7. Ashley Schaeffer (488 comments) says:

    Aw spoilsport! I really wanted to see Mana get into bed with Dotcon. And now Katie Bradford’s mum is going to go and ruin it for me.

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  8. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    Isn’t it a sad reflection on political morality in this country when politicians are prepared to betray the values they have espoused to their voters in order to further their political ambition? Do people get into politics to make the world a better place, or is it so they can use their position to compel others to do their bidding, regardless how devoid of principle that bidding may be? It is small wonder that my children see no point in voting. A vote for almost anyone is a wasted vote because there is no reason to believe that the party or person will still be the same one that we voted for if offered a desirable inducement.

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  9. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Democracy for sale. Price, $1 million. For details, contact H Harawira.

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  10. Doc (91 comments) says:

    PG: “That’s a good point. Harawira must be frustrated by lack of progress with the Mana Party on it’s own.”

    I think that you’ll find that Harawira is getting frustrated by the fact that people are looking to him to provide solutions to their problems now that they have voted him into parliament. Harawira needs “other people” to work on solutions for him. His skillset is limited to that of a professional protestor. He is an antagonist, not a visionary.

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  11. rouppe (971 comments) says:

    Hone has a seat but no significant party vote. Dot Com doesn’t have a seat and hopes to attract a bit of party vote.

    So Hone is going for the 21st equivalent of exchanging land for beads and blankets…

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  12. alwyn (427 comments) says:

    @Fisiani.
    I don’t think you have that right. The money was given to a trust which then passed it on to Cunliffe. He will declare a gift from the trust but will put on his typical smirk and lie that he doesn’t know who originally gave the money to the trust.
    It is politically extremely stupid but it is still a legal way of getting around the spirit of the law.
    If it is Dotcom who was buying him I think it explains why Curran got the nomination in Dunedin again. I suspect she was the bagman between Dotcom and the Labour party and knows where the bodies are buried. She would probably have threatened to tell all unless she got the nomination.

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  13. virtualmark (1,531 comments) says:

    Honest question … has any MSM journalist directly asked David Cunliffe if Kim Dotcom, or any party associated with Kim Dotcom, is one of the donors to Cunliffe’s “secret” trust?

    As far as I’m aware no one has reported that they’d asked that question. Surely someone like Paddy Gower would be more usefully employed asking those questions rather than door-stopping Oravida’s offices in Shanghai?

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  14. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    alwyn>I suspect she was the bagman between Dotcom and the Labour party

    I thought Presland and McCarten were Cunliffe’s bagmen? I can’t imagine Cunliffe would trust Curran with this job, since Curran is known to be a Cunliffe hater. I always presumed she was freelancing.

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  15. Ashley Schaeffer (488 comments) says:

    Labour’s Shane Jones said he visited the mansion late last year. But the discussion was limited to rap fap-music – and he had told leader David Cunliffe about the visit.

    FTFY

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  16. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    “Honest question … has any MSM journalist directly asked David Cunliffe if Kim Dotcom, or any party associated with Kim Dotcom, is one of the donors to Cunliffe’s “secret” trust?”

    In an interview on NewstalkZB:

    Smalley: Is one of the donors Kim Dotcom?

    Cunliffe: Ah look I don’t know, but I’d be extremely surprised.

    Smalley: You can’t confirm either way?

    Cunliffe: No, I mean I think anyone who wants to ask that question should ask it of Mr Dotcom because I do not know the answer to that question.

    After that Dotcom tweeted:

    @KimDotcom

    I have never donated to the leadership race of @DavidCunliffeMP or to Labor, or the Greens, or NZ First. I support the #InternetParty!

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  17. Peter (1,713 comments) says:

    Harawira needs “other people” to work on solutions for him.

    Or just to, you know, turn up.

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  18. Reid (16,513 comments) says:

    It’s going to be a new experience for Hone to find that not everyone in his own party agrees with him. I wonder what he’s going to do. My guess is, turn red and burst a few blood vessels at this outrageous ‘betrayal.’ Then call mum in to sort it.

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  19. alwyn (427 comments) says:

    @davidp
    I certainly don’t think she was collecting for Cunliffe. As you put it, they don’t really like each other do they? After all someone who would drop her from number 20 to number 29 in the caucus isn’t likely to gain her favour.
    On the other hand she made a number of visits to Dotcom which would have been on behalf of the wider Labour party and I don’t think a blowhard like Dotcom would have kept his mouth shut about other things he was up to.
    He couldn’t really afford to tell about any of his gifts to polies these days. He will still be hoping that if they get in they can follow the professed Norman approach and refuse to allow him to be extradited.

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  20. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    fernglas asks:

    Do people get into politics to make the world a better place, or is it so they can use their position to compel others to do their bidding, regardless how devoid of principle that bidding may be?

    Ironically, it’s the MPs considered “extreme” by their opponents – from Bradford to Douglas – who most embody the former attribute. They’re willing to make themselves unpopular with quite large sectors of the population in order to promote ideals they believe will make NZ better.

    But they’re quickly swamped by power-at-any-cost chancers, who’ll do whatever it takes to get elected (or appointed in the case of some parties’ safe seat preselections and List MPs).

    Sadly, there seems to be something in the collective psyche that prefers bland reassurance to bold idealism, so choice is diminished and we’re left asking precisely the question you’ve asked, without understanding it’s within our power to change it.

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  21. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    Roll over and beg for the smell of the dirty capitalist 1%’s money, little socialists.

    Go on.

    You know you want to.

    He might even scratch your tummy.

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  22. Sofia (858 comments) says:

    Smalley: Is one of the donors Kim Dotcom?
    Cunliffe: Ah look I don’t know, but I’d be extremely surprised.

    Did Cunliffe refund money to two contributors, who were too embarrassed to be exposed publicly, without knowing who they were?
    Pull the other one.

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  23. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    So Hone is all good with white mofo’s now?

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  24. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    The donations were received by the trustee and paid back by the trustee. That’s standard and deliberate use of trusts to keep (in this case) Cunliffe at arms length.

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  25. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    davidp @ 11 37

    Democracy for sale. Price, $1 million. For details, contact H Harawira.

    Also “shop on line @ Haggle with Hadfield, other specials today include Residency, Citizenship, legal help, and
    Super one off special
    price reduced to clear, German Sausage. Must be cooked and consumed , not to be frozen or refrigerated.
    Check use by date, we will ignore all obligations under fair trading and all other white MOFO laws

    HADFIELD and SONS rooting the North for over two hundred tears.

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  26. georgebolwing (869 comments) says:

    It is very hard to understand whether the Internet Party is compatible with any other party, since it has yet to tell us much about its policies.

    But from observations, I would suggest that it:

    a) is in favour of (or at least does not care about) extreme disparities of wealth (therefore incompatible with Mana, Maori, the Greens, Labour);

    b) does not see property rights as essential to economic and social progress (therefore certainly incompatible with ACT, National, Maori, Conservatives);

    c) is for easy migration (so incompatible with NZ First, the Greens, Maori, Mana);

    d) is against the TPP (but not sure why: presumably because it is concerned that TTP will require stronger copy-right protection, so incompatible with National, ACT, the saner parts of Labour).

    Can anyone provide a name for an ideology that is pro-extreme wealth, anti-property, pro-migration, anti-free trade?

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  27. KevinH (1,229 comments) says:

    An alliance with Dotcom would be the end of Mana in Northland.The electorate would walk
    away from Hone and vote Labour

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  28. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    @ Kevin H – after watching Hone Harawira amongst “his people” at Waitangi this year, I couldn’t disagree with you more. The people of Te Tai Tokerau worship the ground he walks on.

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  29. Daniel (210 comments) says:

    I heard Rachel Smalley on Newstalk ZB this morning say Kim Dotcom had donated money to the Act Party. I’m aware of the donation to John Banks for his mayoral campaign, but haven’t heard anything about donations to Act. Is that correct – that there was a donation to Act – or does Rachel Smalley not know what she is talking about?

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  30. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    Bradford has real pull in Mana – if she walked I reckon Minto would as well. They are the white hard left part of Mana that were prepared to get into bed with a lazy abusive racist MP like Harawira because he had an electorate seat and thus a possible passage for an extreme lefty like Minto or Sykes into Parliament. After Minto’s attacks on the Maori Party’s arrangement with National, if Hone does a deal with KDC and Minto stays then he’s opened the door to an easy attack of hypocrisy that even the left leaning MSM won’t miss.

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  31. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Left-wing leeches go anywhere to get their snouts in a free trough. Look at the line-up, not one with the credibility of a rodent. They should have learned what a sleezy bastard this Kraut is when he stuffed Banks. It is going to be interesting when a few details of those visiting, hit the public arena . . . bet it won’t be circulated by MSM.

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  32. ShawnLH (5,293 comments) says:

    “Can anyone provide a name for an ideology that is pro-extreme wealth, anti-property, pro-migration, anti-free trade?”

    Something written on the back of a napkin while KDC was listening to East L.A. rap?

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  33. tvb (4,431 comments) says:

    One political party has given KDC a very wide berth and that is National. I am staggered how our parties of the left are prepared to see if there is room for a deal. Bluntly it looks like money for extradition. Can anyone see Judith Collins doing this deal? She would resign as justice minister first.

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  34. duggledog (1,559 comments) says:

    KevinH:

    “An alliance with Dotcom would be the end of Mana in Northland.The electorate would walk
    away from Hone and vote Labour”

    You say this why? Have you ever been to the Far North? If someone is that dumb and easily fooled by a charlatan such as Hadfield, then they are not going to think anything through to arrive at a conclusion that Labour or anyone else is going to give them what they want which is endless entitlements they haven’t earned, because Whitey stole their country from them. Hadfield tells Mana people what they want to hear, and they want to hear it because it’s easier than hearing the truth, which is they have more in common with Tonga than the rest of NZ

    Since Turia crossed the floor all those years ago, Labour is hated up north, hence the trouble Kelvin has, and he should own the place really

    If you ever do go up north KevinH, three things
    1: Stick to the east Coast
    2: Avoid eye contact with the bro’s
    3: Lock your car, leave nothing valuable in it

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  35. big bruv (13,934 comments) says:

    I find it hilarious that so many who have commented here seem keen to praise Comrade Bradford for having principles. The woman’s life has proven time and time again that she has absolutely no principles. If she does not agree with the motherfucker John Hatfield then you can be sure that there is more to this story than meets the eye.

    So many seem to have forgotten the way she used the Green party to get into Parliament, Bradford did not have one Green bone in her hideous body yet she managed to swallow the rest of the crap that comes with being a stinking Green just so she could push her communist way of life. Bradford will use anybody, tell any lie, repeat any half truth to get her own way.

    Never, ever trust her.

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  36. big bruv (13,934 comments) says:

    duggledog

    I can think of no reason at all why I would ever want to visit the far north. Any part of the world that supports John Hatfield is going to be a part of the world that I want no part of.

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  37. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Bradford did not have one Green bone in her hideous body yet she managed to swallow the rest of the crap that comes with being a stinking Green just so she could push her communist way of life. Bradford will use anybody, tell any lie, repeat any half truth to get her own way.

    I challenge you to name one NZ Greens member that doesn’t apply to. All I see is a bunch of hard core Marxists using the ‘warm, fuzzy’ of [pretend] environmentalism to get closer to power.

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  38. big bruv (13,934 comments) says:

    bhudson

    Of the current lot I do not disagree. However, one would be churlish to suggest that the late Rod Donald and Jeannette Fitzsimmons were anything other than true Greens.

    Does that make them right?, no of course not but at least they were true environmentalists. Not one of the current lot can make that claim.

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  39. Colville (2,272 comments) says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houhora

    The only reason I ever go up that far.

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  40. Johnboy (16,676 comments) says:

    The last green Greens were Genetic and Nandor. Norman and his mob are just commie fucks pretending to be green to suck in the stupid’s to vote for them.

    Even in the 1950’s the Commie party got fuck all votes in NZ cause folk were smarter then!

    Repackage it as green and it’s amazing how many supposedly intelligent folk you can suck in to vote for you! :)

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  41. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    Was Nandor really “Green”? Or was he just a drug-addled lefty stoner?
    I don’t recall him ever showing any great concern for the environment…
    ‘National Hoodie Day’ anyone??

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  42. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    And Greedy Mana jumping into bed with Desperate Dotcom is just oh-so typical of the hypocritical left!

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  43. Johnboy (16,676 comments) says:

    He smoked green Longknives! :)

    You are what you eat/inhale! :)

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  44. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    “He smoked green Longknives! :)”

    I’m pretty sure he is still baking himself silly at the taxpayer’s expense (Parliamentary Pensions and all that…)

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  45. you reap what you sow (35 comments) says:

    I can’t see Sue Bradford and John Minto riding around in KDC pink Cadillac singing rap music with a bunch of cheer leader types, drinking champaign and being oh so cool and hip.

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  46. hubbers (139 comments) says:

    Is anyone in NZ not on the Dotcom payoll? Um I mean a Dotcom creditor.

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  47. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Cunliffe and Labour have both received monetary support from the fat German thug, but until the embargo is lifted we will not be informed, and MSM definitely won’t go there . . . Labour and the Kraut are precious to them.

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