Deputy Prime Minister Russel Norman

March 30th, 2014 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

3 News reports:

Green Party co-leader Russel Norman wants to be deputy prime minister if Labour and become government after this year’s election.

Any cabinet formed after the September election should be proportional, and the deputy prime minister role would certainly be on the table, Dr Norman told The Nation today.

“Obviously it depends on the size of the vote,” he said.

It would. On current polls if there was a Labour/Green Government you’d expect Labour to have 70% of the Cabinet and Ministry and Greens 30%. If you assume a Ministry of 28, then you’d have 8 Green Party Ministers. Based on their draft list ranking they would be:

  1. Metiria Turei
  2. Russell Norman
  3. Kevin Hague
  4. Eugenie Sage
  5. Catherine Delahunty
  6. Gareth Hughes
  7. Kennedy Graham
  8. Julie Anne Genter

I presume Norman and Turei would be co-Deputy Prime Ministers.

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71 Responses to “Deputy Prime Minister Russel Norman”

  1. Redbaiter (8,923 comments) says:

    I think the ambition to control burns a little bit more fiercely in Norman than it does in Metiria.

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  2. ShawnLH (5,124 comments) says:

    That’s not very wimmin’s rights of him. Shouldn’t he be promoting Turei for that position?

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  3. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    DPF: 8 Green Party Ministers. Based on their draft list ranking they would be:
    1.Metiria Turei
    2.Russell Norman
    3.Kevin Hague
    4.Eugenie Sage
    5.Catherine Delahunty
    6.Gareth Hughes
    7.Kennedy Graham
    8.Julie Anne Genter

    That list should be compulsory reading for every voter prior to the Election. Its enough to put shivers down the spine of every sane person in the Country.

    Scary. 8O

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  4. Tautaioleua (305 comments) says:

    Isn’t he being racist? are we not ready for a female/Maori deputy PM?

    :-)

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  5. Jaffa (94 comments) says:

    Stop it!

    You’re frightening me!

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  6. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Tautaioleua
    Haven’t we already had a Maori as deputy PM?

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  7. jims_whare (403 comments) says:

    Ministry of 28? Seriously? More like expand it to include every red and green MP -Ministry of 48 probably

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  8. wat dabney (3,769 comments) says:

    Deputy Prime Minister Pol Pot.

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  9. jims_whare (403 comments) says:

    Oh and in this nightmare coalition wouldn’t Winnie want the Deputy PM job as well? So you would have 3 deputy PM’s?

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  10. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Bear in mind Winston will have the choice of going with National instead and enjoying a better suite of perks.

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  11. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    Oh God! A winging Aussie ginger and a frumpy princess as co-Deputy PM’s. Cunliffe will be pissed at never being able to rack up Airpoint Dollars for fear of those two running the show.

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  12. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Exactly mikenmild.

    Greens have no where else to go except with labour. Their bargaining power is zilch. Russel Norman may want to be Deputy PM, but it simply won’t happen – just DPF fomenting happy mischief.

    Meanwhile Winston can get his two telephones out again!

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  13. Pita (373 comments) says:

    8 Green Party Ministers. Based on their draft list ranking they would be:

    1.Metiria Turei
    2.Russell Norman
    3.Kevin Hague
    4.Eugenie Sage
    5.Catherine Delahunty
    6.Gareth Hughes
    7.Kennedy Graham
    8.Julie Anne Genter

    AND…Clint, he would be behind everyone telling them what they think!

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  14. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    How freakishly Gilbert and Sullivan.

    I am the very model of a modern major general.
    Add in Nanki Poo, and Yum Yum and who needs Poo Bah

    Who was it said the left are a humorless lot.

    Wuddya mean its serious, how can that be so when an (ex) communist party member, Australian, from Queensland no less, nominates himself for the office of deputy prime minister of New Zealand and no mention of Te Tiriti o Waitangi.

    Please tell me its a pisstake

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  15. RF (1,399 comments) says:

    Dear God

    This is a bad dream so when I wake up life will be normal. Please !!!!!!

    If it turns out to be true, people living in third world countries will be far better off than us.

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  16. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    Delahunty, Hughes and Graham as members of the executive…. God help us if that ever came to pass…

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  17. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  18. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    Psycho Milt: I think I’d be charitable and take Smith off that list, but otherwise, sure. I’d put Gerry at the top if your quality metric was the criteria (i.e. chief nincompoop and obnoxious blowhard).

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  19. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    ah good old milt, so utterly brainwashed by the watermelons that he thinks that somehow he can find a list of potential ministers that is anywhere as horrifying as norman, turei, hughes and delahunty.

    hell delahunty on her own shows how utterly ridiculous the idea of greens in government is.

    the worst person on the national list you posted is parata, and she would be least worst on the greens comparable list.

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  20. Ross12 (1,428 comments) says:

    Look on the bright side. The more Norman comes out with ideas like the better for National and the possible rift with Labour/ Cunliffe could get wider ( ie. more “in” fighting on the left).

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  21. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    It is scary to think that this could turn into a Len Brown/Auckland thing. We did not vote Len in, we just did not vote him out.
    Same come Sept 20, if people are too lazy to vote for National Candidates and Party; the left will take advantage.
    Get your voting brain thinking now or the snivelling socialists will be in your arse pocket raiding your wallet for years

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  22. Scott1 (552 comments) says:

    I’m not sure it should depend on the vote.
    The rational negotiating position for Labour should be “you have nowhere to go – take whatever scraps we give you and pretend you like it”.

    I doubt Labour will do that, maybe there is an argument why they shouldn’t – but at the moment I just put it down to them being weak.

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  23. duggledog (1,558 comments) says:

    It

    Will

    Never

    Happen

    Russell

    Go

    Home

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  24. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    This is why every day I talk to potential voters and win them over to National. That is why I will again get shin splints delivering National leaflets. That is why the party vote for National will increase in my constituency yet again as it has in 2005,2008 and 2011. We need to take the nightmare of a Labour Green Mana NZ First Dotcon bunch of losers out of the equation by gaining 51% of the party vote September 20th.

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  25. corrigenda (142 comments) says:

    Somebody give Wussell back his flag and sent him home!!

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  26. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    Ready those passports in case the unthinkable comes to pass.

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  27. OneTrack (3,107 comments) says:

    “That’s not very wimmin’s rights of him. Shouldn’t he be promoting Turei for that position?”

    Turei is higher on the list so, surely, she must be Deputy Prime Minister.

    The Greens wouldn’t have put a token woman and Maori at the top of their list. Isn’t that right Psycho?

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  28. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    “Wussell”?

    Who’s he?

    Are you so bereft of intelligent argument you have to descend to kindergarten behaviour?

    Don’t bother to respond, corrigenda, the question is rhetorical.
    If you don’t understand that word, find an adult who can explain it for you.

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  29. OneTrack (3,107 comments) says:

    “…The rational negotiating position for Labour should be…”

    Labour 2014 and Rational.

    Oxymoron alert.

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  30. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    The Greens wouldn’t have put a token woman and Maori at the top of their list. Isn’t that right Psycho?

    I don’t know how the Greens do their party list (other than that they do it in a far more democratic way than either of the main parties). What I do know is that Norman’s comments as quoted say nothing more than that the position of deputy PM would be up for negotiation, and only idiots and mischief-makers would want to make more out of it than that. Gower and DPF I file under ‘mischief-makers’ – Shawn is definitely more on the ‘idiot’ side.

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  31. wreck1080 (3,917 comments) says:

    in a warped and twisted way, I’d be fascinated to see a hydra-monster labour/greens/maori/mana/dotcom/nz first win the next election.

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  32. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    I would be quite happy for Russel Norman and Metiria Turei to be co-deputy PM’s, provided that they shared (equally, of course) the difference in salary between that of a Minister and Deputy PM, and that they shared the workload equally. It would, of course, become absolutely farcical in a very short space of time, which is why it should be encouraged :D

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  33. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    The really scary thing is it may take a term of the Greens holding real power to make everyone realise what a disaster it is – just as has happened in States in Australia. The second scary thing is most young people don’t see them as a threat at all..they are the nice warm fuzzy pollies who “care about the planet”. Trying to explain their real agenda just results in eye rolling and talk of paranoia.

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  34. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Catherine Delahunty, cabinet minister….

    brb booking one way ticket to Switzerland

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  35. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    The Greens appeal to leeches of our society, more so than Labour. They see these dangerous bastards taxing the hell out of everyone with something, to give them to do nothing. There is enough of these promises from Labour, and most with anything have contingencies in place to beat these good-for-nothing envious mongrels, even to the point of moving businesses offshore. Most I know have plans to move money out real quick, just as was done in 1984. Believe me, there would be unemployment as never seen before, benefits will be defaulted on, and as credit ratings will drop overnight, they will have no way of borrowing money to fulfil their pie in the sky promises.

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  36. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “he second scary thing is most young people don’t see them as a threat at all..”

    which is why deputy prime minister wussel “weak as piss” norman will push hard to lower the voting age.

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  37. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    …most with anything have contingencies in place … even to the point of moving businesses offshore. Most I know have plans to move money out real quick…

    If these “leeches” really wanted to be Cayman Islands companies, they would be already. And western-style democracies mostly have top tax rates that make the fifth Labour government look distinctly timid. In short, you’re full of shit.

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  38. spanish_tudor (80 comments) says:

    If a left-wing government comes to pass, surely the Greens would have to surrender one or two ministerial spots to Hone, Annette Sykes or Minto…. actually, that doesn’t really make it any better does it?

    I’d take batshit crazy Delahunty over that trio any day….

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  39. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    PM: Stick to your envious ramblings . . . like the rest of your ilk you do nothing, know nothing, have nothing, and want everything (from those that have worked and succeeded) for nothing.

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  40. Jim Rose (35 comments) says:

    Do the greens have an affirmative action policy?

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  41. Simon (724 comments) says:

    Doubt if these turds can do any real or lasting damage. NZ is a massive debtor nation. NZ overseas creditors wont tolerate any material harm to the economy. If it looks like the crackpots might endanger NZ then householder debt interest will soar.

    Society simply cant afford green’s bullshit.

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  42. Liberty (267 comments) says:

    Red Norman wants to be deputy prime minister.
    That’s a relief. Deputy Prime Minister is mostly a ceremonial role.
    Traditionally the labour party use the position for some non entity.
    Red Norms Lasts dream was he had a warped ambition of being Minister of finance.
    Now that is a scary thought.

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  43. lolitasbrother (698 comments) says:

    I love him , our green brother, the Australian communist.
    What people do not necessarily think, is that many of us will vote against Norman moron, communist,
    He wouldn’t survive in Australian politic 5 minutes
    He will personally deliver a conservative NZ Government

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  44. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Musical Chairs at Radio NZ
    Too Much Whitey

    Some are disappointed the changes don’t go far enough.

    ‘‘It’s a shake-up that isn’t a shake-up,’’ says a former Pacific correspondent, now AUT journalism lecturer, Richard Pamatatau. ‘‘It’s still all white people presenting the programmes.’’

    He argues the line-up ‘‘shrieks Eurocentrism’’ and the shake-up is a missed opportunity to truly reflect New Zealand, as Radio New Zealand’s charter requires.

    Thompson agrees that improving the diversity of both staff and audiences is the No 1 concern for media in New Zealand, and one Radio New Zealand has yet to tackle. He’s hopeful that shortening siloed Maori news bulletins on current affairs shows, and integrating those stories into the main format will help.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/9879755/Musical-chairs-at-Radio-NZ
    It would be only fair that a few of the liberal whiteys get the boot: a job for Minister of Broadcasting Delahunty.

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  45. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    I see NZ First is up to 7% (latest poll).

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  46. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    like the rest of your ilk you do nothing, know nothing, have nothing, and want everything (from those that have worked and succeeded) for nothing.

    Damn, well that’s certainly a compelling argument for… wait, what? You really do have nothing, don’t you…

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  47. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Traditionally the labour party use the position for some non entity.

    Yep, that nonentity Michael Cullen, what did he ever do while they were in government?

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  48. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    It won’t happen overnight. But it will happen.

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  49. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    spanish_tudor: clearly you have never actually met and spoken to Delahunty…she is truly dangerously mad..her in ANY ministerial post is very scary…

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  50. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    We went from FPP to MMP but we aren’t there yet; parties get taken over my motivated groups (often the ideological dregs).

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  51. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    I think a ;lot of people feel burnt by the Clark era, one of her legacies is the loss of our national identity,community cohesion and an urban population crush affecting quality of life and house prices. What might we expect from this labour/Green?
    Having said that the public would be on their case immediately.

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  52. peterwn (3,273 comments) says:

    Liberty

    Even if Deputy Prime Minister is a ceremonial role, it must be in a safe pair of hands, who could be a non entity – the only requirement being that the DPM not do anything daft if acting PM. This would rule out any Green MP being given the role.

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  53. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Looks like a few worried and desperate people out there? What happened to the ‘done deal’ and ‘there is no chance in hell’? ;-)

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  54. David Garrett (7,289 comments) says:

    Judith: Nothing can be a “done deal” six months out from an election…and it is axiomatic that there will be a change of government, if not this time then next…the issue here is just how much damage would a Lab-Green- Mana- NZF government do in three years? Would YOU want Delahunty in charge of anything?

    If your answer is a variation of “Yes, I wouldnt mind” please indicate if you have actually met her…

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  55. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @David Garrett (5,005 comments) says:
    March 30th, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    David, there are very few of the standing MP’s that I would want. In all honesty, I would be more likely to vote for you if you were standing than many of the current selection (all parties), so I’m really not the person to ask that question of.

    I am totally disgusted with the state of politics in this country at the moment, and that goes from Key to Cunliffee and includes most of the plebs in between. I don’t think any of them have the far-sightedness to determine what is best for this country in the long run.

    PS No never met her, but have been in the same room as her. Nope, not impressed.

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  56. Chuck Bird (4,884 comments) says:

    “how much damage would a Lab-Green- Mana- NZF government do in three years?

    The short answer is a lot. However, I doubt if NZF would go with the Greens and Mana. Winston will want to leave a legacy.

    Which party is the most likely to agree for a binding referendum on the special Maori seats – Labour or National?

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  57. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    how much damage would a Lab-Green- Mana- NZF government do in three years

    Same applies to every variation. IMO MMP was an admirable system at the time it was bought in, but under current global conditions and the changes in the world economy, coupled with problems such as climate change (whether or not it is natural or man made), overpopulation and on-going religious and cultural differences, I don’t believe it is still good for this country.

    We need solid governance, not some wishy washy mish mash of parties that will constantly use their own agenda to blackmail the country.

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  58. OneTrack (3,107 comments) says:

    psycho – “If these “leeches” really wanted to be Cayman Islands companies, they would be already.”

    I don’t think he is talking about Cayman Island companies. He is talking about shutting down businesses in New Zealand and moving them, lock, stock and barrel, probably to Australia.

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  59. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    Every time I see Winestain poll over the threshold, my faith in the intellect of the average middle-aged/elderly NZer dies a little inside.

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  60. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Would YOU want Delahunty in charge of anything?

    She strikes me as deranged but relatively harmless. What I really, really wouldn’t want is Murray McCully, Gerry Brownlee, Anne Tolley or Simon Bridges in charge of anything, but guess what? They are and the world didn’t come to an end.

    He is talking about shutting down businesses in New Zealand and moving them, lock, stock and barrel, probably to Australia.

    Well, yes, exactly – he’s talking about businesses moving to Australia for the low, low taxes, in other words he’s a moron.

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  61. you reap what you sow (35 comments) says:

    The Greens are just down right scary.

    Under them NZ will become the Cuba of the South Seas.

    In Cuba, the socialist Mecca of the Caribbean, the average wage is $US25:00 per month. It has gone from one of the top 30 wealthiest nations in the late 50 s to one of the poorest on earth. Why? Socialism hates personal initiative, the wealthy and private enterprise. If you listen to the Greens their big hates are the same, business, and people who prosper from enterprise.- it’s the same in Cuba.

    The end result for the greens is poverty for all.

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  62. RF (1,399 comments) says:

    Never mind we have the silent t on 8% and this green idiot on about 1% so thats 9%. Happy days.

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  63. Monty (978 comments) says:

    A serious question, could someone schedule the MPs from the parties who will be in contention for a Ministers warrant and importantly the warrent or portfolio they are likely to hold. maybe for a bit of fun add the minister that the lefty would replace.

    1. Cunliffe prime minister! replacing John key
    2. Russel Norman Minister of Finance replacing Bill English
    3. Winston peters Minister of Foreign affairs replacing Muzza McCully
    4. John Hatfield Maori Affairs replacing P ita Sharples

    And as stupid as this seems then wait to you start getting down the such a list a little
    Gareth Hughes minister of energy
    JulieAnn gentler minister of Transport
    Catherine delahunty minister of education
    Turei Minister of Welfare
    Annie king as Minister of health replacing Ryall
    little Angry Andy minister of unions
    Fenton minister of labour

    The lot of them are bat shit crazy

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  64. Grant (444 comments) says:

    I believe that if making Norman Deputy PM or Minister of Finance was all that stood between David Cunliffe and the top job then it would happen.
    I’m also sure that, if the situation arises, the Greens will play hardball and will even withhold confidence and supply rather than not be included in the cabinet.
    G

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  65. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    An interesting and scary list.

    But, wouldn’t Delahunty be Minister of Mines? Given her absolute hatred of the sector, no doubt her first action will be to close every mine and quarry in the country, and feel oh so righteous as a result…

    Mother Gaia will no doubt approve…

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  66. OneTrack (3,107 comments) says:

    grant – “I’m also sure that, if the situation arises, the Greens will play hardball and will even withhold confidence and supply rather than not be included in the cabinet.”

    Agree. If the Greens cant get serious ministries in this election, then you would have to wonder what they are doing there. Apart from the baubles and the Koru club.

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  67. OneTrack (3,107 comments) says:

    psycho – “Well, yes, exactly – he’s talking about businesses moving to Australia for the low, low taxes, in other words he’s a moron.”

    No, he is talking about saving his business and livelihood from the business toxic environment that the Greens would put in place. Taxes – check, you obviously agree that the Greens will bring in higher taxes. Add on a carbon tax, so most costs and compliance overhead. CGT – more admin overhead and costs. Staffing – compulsory unionism for everybody and repeal of 90 days, etc., so no new staff. Then the economic incompetence of the Greens will do doubt lead to a drop in the exchange rate, pushing costs up on everything that is imported including raw materials, plastics, etc, and fuel. This will lead to a spike in interest rates.

    And then the runs on the banks will start….

    All they have are degrees in the arts or political science and long discussions in the quad. Why you would think they would have the skills to run ministries, I dont know.

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  68. OneTrack (3,107 comments) says:

    “to Delahunty…she is truly dangerously mad..”

    Delahunty is the one who talks about the “outdated concept of democracy and one man one vote”. I think she yearns for a return to maori tribal aristocracy.

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  69. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    Delahunty’s problem IMHO, is that she is working in theoreticals, not actuals, and has only read about the ‘glorious means by which Maori practiced their government before the nasty European intervened’.

    Unfortunately she has her ‘rose-tinted spectacles’ firmly in place and has not, it seems, read about the cannibalism, and the hierarchical (tribal) structure that was the reality of pre-European Maori. it was a nasty, brutal place, inhabited by individuals who were totally at the command of the current leader and for whom life could be very dependent upon the whim of said leader. (Sounds like North Korea doesn’t it, which is perhaps appropriate).

    For some reason as well she seems determined to ingratiate herself towards Maori (perhaps perceiving such an action as being a ‘vote-catcher’ for ‘The Party’), and apparently has no idea at all about how she is viewed by them, or that, despite all the will in the world aka ‘sucking up to’) , she can never BE one of them (even in an ‘honorary’ capacity). Comrade? Yes. New Zealander? Yes? Maori? No.

    BTW: Does she have any academic qualifications which might provide a grounding for her pronouncements, or is ‘hatred’ enough?

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  70. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    OneTrack: you sound like the more deranged commenters at the Daily Blog wailing about the terrors that will befall us under a National government.

    All they have are degrees in the arts or political science and long discussions in the quad. Why you would think they would have the skills to run ministries, I dont know.

    I’m basing it on compelling evidence provided by the current government that incompetents, megalomaniacs and obnoxious loudmouths can run ministries. Apparently, few skills are required.

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  71. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Psycho Milt (1,954 comments) says:
    March 30th, 2014 at 6:49 pm
    Traditionally the labour party use the position for some non entity.

    Yep, that nonentity Michael Cullen, what did he ever do while they were in government?

    He taxed the rich pricks…39% tax for those who earn more than 60K. That is what we call fair share of tax.

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