Fighting on the left

March 11th, 2014 at 3:10 pm by David Farrar

Vernon Small writes:

The have lodged a formal complaint with over outspoken MP Shane Jones’ attacks on the party.

They’ve complained because an MP from another party criticised them? Who is being thin skinned now?

It comes as the Northland-based list MP faced a ticking off from leader David Cunliffe this morning over his anti-Green comments as well as for straying into other MPs’ areas of responsibility.

It is understood the Green’s chief of staff Ken Spagnolo invoked the official mechanism for airing disputes with Labour’s new chief of staff Matt McCarten and it will be on the agenda of the next top level meeting between the two allies.

Good to see them focusing on the big issues. Again, imagine how they’ll be going running a Government!

Green co-leader Russel Norman said he imagined the matter would be dealt with at chief of staff level.

But he said Labour was obviously had some “internal issues” to deal with.

Just a few!

”There’s clearly some people like Shane Jones within Labour who are uncomfortable about protecting the environment and embracing our clean energy future. but … the Greens know what we are doing and why we’re here.”

Wait, isn’t this a personal attack on Shane Jones? Maybe Jones should complain also through their dispute process!

Meanwhile NewstalkZB report:

Labour leader David Cunliffe says the Greens won’t necessarily be the first cab off the rank if he’s in a position to form a Government after the election.

The translation is he’ll sacrifice them for Winston if Winston asks for it. Poor Greens – 18 years in Parliament and no baubles for them.

There was another oops in David Cunliffe’s life earlier this morning when he referred to his possible coalition partner New Zealand First as ‘’.

“Winston’s a good guy but I’m not doing coalition negotiations before the vote and we will work with whatever cards the voters put on the table. That may indeed quite likely will be with the Greens, it may well be with Winston First.”

I’m very pleased to see the official Kiwiblog term for New Zealand First catching on!!

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43 Responses to “Fighting on the left”

  1. Ashley Schaeffer (488 comments) says:

    Fuck the Greens are a bunch of wets aren’t they.

    Seeing the Greens miss out once again with NZ First taking their place at Labour’s side would be a small consolation prize to losing the election to the Left.

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  2. backster (2,174 comments) says:

    The Greens are probably miffed that it has become apparent over the past few weeks that Winston and Cunliffe seem to becoming bosom buddies.

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  3. alloytoo (546 comments) says:

    Oh just imagine if Shane defected to the Maori party tomorrow.

    That bang that would be labour imploding.

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  4. Peter (1,713 comments) says:

    Nothing clean about greens….

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  5. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    Is Soper sure that’s what Cunliffe meant? A change in case changes the meaning:

    “That may indeed quite likely will be with the Greens, it may well be with Winston First.”
    Or
    That may indeed quite likely will be with the Greens, it may well be with Winston first.”

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  6. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    What a shambles. The only good thing about a win for the left this year will be watching it implode within months.

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  7. mara (788 comments) says:

    All this popcorn consumption cannot be healthy.

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  8. jp_1983 (213 comments) says:

    I would love to be a fly on a the wall in that meeting.

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  9. Elaycee (4,393 comments) says:

    You just can’t make this shit up…. the Gweens lodge a formal complaint because someone said something??

    And yet they want us believe they’re fit for power???

    [gulp] 8O

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  10. mandk (998 comments) says:

    Can someone remind me, is Norman with the People’s Popular Front for Judea, or the Judean People’s Popular Front?
    And who can blame him for complaining? Former-comrade Jones is clearly an incipient splitter.

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  11. jp_1983 (213 comments) says:

    You just can’t make this shit up…. the Gweens lodge a formal complaint because someone said something??

    And yet they want us believe they’re fit for power???

    [gulp] 8O

    Freedom of Speech for some…
    Not for all

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  12. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    BAHAHAHAHA

    what a bunch of wimps.

    Can you imagine Wussel at school? no wonder hes a bitter communist.

    Wonder if he lodged the complaint in that loud, high pitched, “gimme back my fwag” voice.

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  13. twofish (95 comments) says:

    I don’t think anyone said it yet …
    The Greens Leader will face off Conservative Colin Craig in the courts, but wants Shane Jones gagged?
    Shane must have hit a nerve.

    PS: Did Cunliffe say “… with Winston First” or “… with Winston, first.” Hard to tell without fucking sub-titles, eh?

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  14. mandk (998 comments) says:

    On a more serious note, the fact that the Greens are complaining about someone criticising them suggests that they would be intolerant of criticism if they ever got into power.
    Scratch a Greenie and you’ll find a Stalinist underneath.

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  15. Tautaioleua (309 comments) says:

    And isn’t this the same Wussel that was telling Colin Craig to harden up if he wanted to last in the political scene? lol sounds like he needs to take his own advice.

    :-)

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  16. kaykaybee (152 comments) says:

    The “h” word rearing it’s ugly little head again.

    I suspect the last couple of polls and Labour’s apparent distancing themselves is making them paranoid. Seriously though you couldn’t make it up could you. One week dishing it out to (& allegedly defaming) the Conservatives and mocking them when they litigate for said alleged defamation, and the next week moaning to the powers that be about somebody else throwing sand at them.

    In my time on the left I noticed arrogance, entitlement, a distinct lack of self awareness and a lamentable lack of humour especially of the self-deprecating variety. This childish response is an example of the lot.

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  17. Reid (16,513 comments) says:

    ”There’s clearly some people like Shane Jones within Labour who are uncomfortable about protecting the environment and embracing our clean energy future. but … the Greens know what we are doing and why we’re here.”

    self-righteous
    adjective
    1.
    having or characterized by a certainty, especially an unfounded one, that one is totally correct or morally superior.

    I wish a journalist would get the Gweens on record explaining precisely why we’re not allowed to mine anything. Because what that journalist would find if they keep pushing them for an answer, is the Gweens would eventually (and probably reluctantly), say this.

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/01/18/post-gore-and-the-coming-carbon-climbdown/

    And as you will read from that, roaringly mental doesn’t even begin to cover off the fallacies behind the Gweens position on this issue and frankly, I’ve had a gutsful of their sanctimonious bollocks and I’d love to see their childishly simplistic worldview exposed on something like 60 Minutes for all of NZ to look at and laugh about.

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  18. chris (647 comments) says:

    To be fair to Cunners, I suspect what he actually meant is this:

    “That may indeed quite likely will be with the Greens, it may well be with Winston [Peters] first”

    As for the rest of it, there ain’t no hypocrite like a lefty.

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  19. Cunningham (844 comments) says:

    The Greens are some of the nastiest people yet they are so precious when they cop some of it back. Pretty pathetic bunch they are especially when their leader is harping on about Craig suing him for his comments.

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  20. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    I think Cunliffe said, it will be with Winston First (as in I will deal with Winston first before anybody else). So nothing wrong.

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  21. rangitoto (247 comments) says:

    “To be fair to Cunners, I suspect what he actually meant is this:”

    Why would anyone want to be fair to Cunners? ;)

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  22. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    Boo hoo! Teacher!

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  23. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    Fantastic move by Mr Norman.

    Hie has exposed his inherent hypocrisy for all to see with his diametrically opposing stances on comments he made about Craig and Jones made about him Gotta be worth a further two point decline in the polls.

    And Hallelujah! Shane Jones has been given a golden opportunity to lauch a fund raising campaign to defend himself – with any unused finds going to the yet to be named Jones Party.

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  24. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    This is confusing. It looks like the complaint was from the Greens chief of staff.

    @katieabradford

    The Greens laid a complaint with Labour at chief of staff level over Shane Jones comments. Russel Norman says he doesn’t care what Jones says

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  25. edhunter (547 comments) says:

    NZ first has more chance of attracting votes from National than the Greens, so DC’s philosophy of Labour taking from the Gweens & maybe forming a govt with Wintson as deputy & only giving the gweens scraps like conservation may seem very attractive to him & more attractive to the general public.

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  26. jp_1983 (213 comments) says:

    my prediction cunnliffe expels jones from caucus by the end of the month.

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  27. Manolo (13,838 comments) says:

    @jp: Wishful thinking. Silent T does not have the balls to do anything to alienate the ABC faction even further.
    Shame Blue Jones will remain sniping from the sideline.

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  28. Reid (16,513 comments) says:

    This is confusing. It looks like the complaint was from the Greens chief of staff.

    Plausible deniability and obvious obfuscation Pete. Does anyone think the Gweens’ CoS would raise a complaint with their Liarbore counter-part over something Wussel said without first discussing it with Wussel?

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  29. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    Not sure Reid, it does seem odd that the chief of staff does that without any input or approval by the party leader – unless Metiria initiated it. There’s no mention of Clint being involved.

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  30. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    None of the media seem to be challenging Cunliffe over his assertion that “Winston’s a good guy”. Has he forgotten that his own leader had to, in 2008, stand Peters down from his Foreign Affairs portfolio because he was alleged to have misled Parliament by knowingly filing a false pecuniary interests return?

    Then again, given all the drama over Cunliffe’s use of secret trysts to hide anonymous donations, perhaps they are birds of a feather!

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  31. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Is Toad the Greenies chief of staff? (cue copious laughter from the whole audience. :) )

    McCarten will eat the little bastard for breakfast! :)

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  32. Ed Snack (1,883 comments) says:

    Can’t we invoke the truth in advertising rules here, I mean, the Greens stating they know what they are doing…blatant falsehood right there ! Being the most dishonest, nastiest and most intolerant political group NZ doesn’t seem like a title that they’re likely to lose anytime soon either, regardless of the effort that labour puts in to try to take that crown.

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  33. tvb (4,430 comments) says:

    I think Cunliffe wants to get some leverage against the Greens by playing up Winston as a possible partner in Government. But Winston is playing cool with everybody. Getting Winston to work alongside the Greens will be next to impossible so already this anti-National union is looking very unstable.

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  34. lolitasbrother (702 comments) says:

    Russel Norman should take legal action and ask his supporters to finance it.
    ” Where is my flag, give me back my flag”
    To previous posters .. because of being inside NZ First to some degree, I can tell you unequivocally that Peters will not go with Cunliffe. this conclusion is anecdotal but true.
    I know that Keeping Stock is not a member, I am only telling you what the fool on the hill knows.

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  35. lolitasbrother (702 comments) says:

    Think about the funny adverts coming for the election.
    One we have
    where Norman knocks on Dotcrim door and makes a deal.
    This will disembowel Green, you will like it

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  36. wreck1080 (3,923 comments) says:

    i reckon that labour should publicly announce they will do no deal with the greens.

    Let the greens absorb the wacky commies – the greens are not about the environment as we all know anyway.

    Labour should use such a declaration as a toxic purge, similar to the 7-day lemon detox diet. Then , labour can order their own toxic people to get out and join the greens.

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  37. ShawnLH (5,286 comments) says:

    “They’ve complained because an MP from another party criticised them? Who is being thin skinned now?”

    Oh the hypocrisy! Talk about double standards! “We can say anything we like about any other politician, no matter how false and dishonest, but we will whine like children if anyone does the same to us”

    Pathetic. Utterly pathetic.

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  38. ShawnLH (5,286 comments) says:

    “Can someone remind me, is Norman with the People’s Popular Front for Judea, or the Judean People’s Popular Front?”

    Neither. He’s with the non-Jewish People’s Popular Front for the Annihilation of Judea.

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  39. ShawnLH (5,286 comments) says:

    Is it just me, or does anyone else think it looks more and more like Shane Jones is campaigning for the Labour leadership?

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  40. Ryan Sproull (7,205 comments) says:

    Hi Shawn – responded to your comment on the other thread here: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/03/its_20_september.html#comment-1288778

    No worries if you’re bored of the conversation, just want to be sure you don’t go off thinking I was saying the things you seemed to think I was.

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  41. ShawnLH (5,286 comments) says:

    Not bored at all Ryan. I’ll have a look shortly.

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  42. Ryan Sproull (7,205 comments) says:

    Cool, cheers.

    Might be a while before I can reply – flying to NZ in a few hours!

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  43. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    The bullshit of politics.
    They can not say the truth and keep the votes.
    The greens are back pedaling on climate change .
    Concentrating on their social policy to the left of labour.
    It’s socialist radicals like slappy sue not Ron Donald type environmentalist.

    Something I always find amusing as a skipper is
    Place a total newbie on the wheel
    Watch as we go past solid objects.
    Fatal attraction The landlubber steers more and more towards it.

    Gently point out the required course before we hit whilst chuckling to my self.

    The labour party has lost any idea of its course.
    It has conceded the center to national.
    Following the greens down the left path is losing its real voter base to national.
    The best chance labour have is attacking national for the center.
    Go for the 2014 working class not the shirking class.
    Distance its self from the greens attack them don’t for fuck sake steer towards them or we will end up a one party state. Ruled by labour lite forever.

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