General Debate 16 March 2014

March 16th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Manolo (13,772 comments) says:

    Nobody knows the truth yet: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/jet-was-hijacked-malaysian-official-tells-ap/2014/03/15/ec7397d6-abff-11e3-af5f-4c56b834c4bf_print.html

    Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said Saturday that a missing passenger jet was steered off course after its communications systems were intentionally disabled and could have potentially flown for seven additional hours.

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  2. hj (7,019 comments) says:

    Seinfield criticised for lack of D.

    “Funnyman Jerry Seinfeld isn’t laughing over mounting criticism that his shows are not diverse enough — and thinks it’s a bunch of “PC nonsense.”

    The “Seinfeld” co-creator lost his cool when a BuzzFeed interviewer asked him about the predominantly white male guests on his Web-based series, “Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee.”

    He has for years faced similar questions about a lack of diversity on the smash NBC hit that shot him to stardom.

    “I have noticed that most of the guests are mostly white males,” BuzzFeed business editor Peter Lauria said.

    Seinfeld cut him off before Lauria could get out the actual question.

    “Yeah, let’s get into that!” the agitated comic said in an interview aired on “CBS This Morning.”

    Seinfeld then goaded the audience into taking his side.

    “Take a look around, Peter, what do you see? A lotta whitey! What’s going on here?” said Seinfeld, drawing laughs.

    “Oh, this really pisses me off, but go ahead. Really pisses me off.”

    The aggressive move worked, and Lauria backed down.

    The interviewer pivoted to a more pleasant topic, asking about a recent episode with “30 Rock” creator Tina Fey.

    Seinfeld talked about the appearance, and then took it upon himself to revisit the racial-diversity issue.

    “People think it’s the Census or something,” Seinfeld said.

    “I mean, this has gotta represent the actual pie chart of America? Who cares? Funny is the world that I live in. You’re funny, I’m interested. You’re not funny, I’m not interested. And I have no interest in gender or race or anything like that.”

    http://nypost.com/2014/02/05/seinfeld-defends-nearly-all-white-shows-comedian-interviews/

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  3. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Our friend Reid’s posts here may have reminded you of someone, but you just couldn’t remember who…

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  4. Simon (724 comments) says:

    Malaysian govt either incompetent or sinister. In a real country the PM would have resigned by now.

    So bad the yanks had to step in even if this Razak moron still fronting. It seems the yanks that have busted this wide open and the chinese govt have been reduced to moaning from on the side lines. Not quiet China’s century yet.

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  5. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    In Australia ,No boat loads of illegal economic immigrants for over three months now. And the ones who have arrived are steadily starting to take up the option to go home. Abbott has done a good job in healing the rift caused by Gillard with the Indonesian government and getting their cooperation to stop the boats. Smuggling fees have dropped from $10,000 a trip to $1,000 and it’s clear the smugglers realise it’s pointless now trying.
    This is great news for those genuine refugees which seek protection and freedom. Also Abbotts strong will is in marked contrast to the “soft” progressive policy of Gillard and Rudd which lured all those illegal immigrants and caused over 1,000 men, women and children to drown. The hell hole which is Manus Island which was set up by Gillard will eventually be closed as more people leave.
    It’s pretty good example of the contrast between the left and right. Softness from the left disguised as kindness caused deaths yet strong will from the right has stopped that. Abbott has shown himself to be more humane than Gillard and Rudd.
    Of course you wont read about this in the NZH especially from that biased prick Greg Ansley.
    “Operation Sovereign Borders Joint Agency Task Force update (9am Friday 7 March to 9am Friday 14 March):
    During this reporting period there were no illegal maritime arrivals transferred to Australian Immigration authorities.Twenty illegal maritime arrivals were transferred to the offshore processing centre in Nauru.
    Eight illegal maritime arrival transferees were voluntarily returned to their country of origin after electing to go home from an offshore processing centre— five to Lebanon, two to Iran and one to Sudan.
    Two illegal maritime arrival detainees were voluntarily removed—one to Iran and one to Pakistan.
    As at 9.00am Friday 14 March 2014, there was a total of 1314 people on Manus Island, 1136 people in Nauru and 1707 people in the Christmas Island facilities.”

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  6. stephieboy (3,066 comments) says:

    I see the search area has been extended as even far west as Kazakhstan which might suggest pilot involvement in a hijacking Apparently .M H 370 had enough fuel for several hours flying.
    But this is no NWO Conspiracy Icke,Makov, Jones ,Resne etc fans.!

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  7. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    .Dear Wat

    Hows the conspirowacky going?

    You now the one with thousands of scientists all making stuff up because they are evil commies.

    Nothing like a global conspirowhacky of evil scientists to prove wingnuttery.

    I would Love to hold your whacky up to the same light you hold reids to.

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  8. Scott Chris (6,137 comments) says:

    Stuff’s headline this morning re the missing plane:

    Pilot, co-pilot probed

    Just as I suspected. Aliens.

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  9. hj (7,019 comments) says:

    The British Dream by David Goodhart and The Diversity Illusion by Ed West: review

    Until recently, it has been impossible to have a balanced public discussion about immigration. Anyone who challenged the liberal view that mass immigration was a good thing risked being denounced as racist. Politicians who talked about the subject, such as William Hague in the 2001 general election, or Michael Howard in 2005, were portrayed by the BBC as extremists.

    Discussion was closed down, which meant that the field was left open to the genuine bigots from the British National Party. This was unfortunate because this period of official silence coincided with the most significant period of demographic change Britain has ever known.

    Only in the last two or three years has it become possible to discuss immigration in a sensible way. Part of the reason for this change is the courageous stand taken by David Goodhart. In 2004, Goodhart wrote an article in Prospect, the Blairite magazine he founded, that challenged the assumption that immigration is always a good thing.

    Goodhart posed a troubling question: does immigration threaten the social solidarity that Left-wingers claim to cherish? In a relatively homogenous society, as Britain was during and after the Second World War, people will help each other out because they share values. In a highly diverse society this sense of community – so necessary for the consent the welfare state requires – is undermined. There is therefore (so Goodhart argued) a contradiction between the progressive support for both “diversity” and “community”.

    When the article appeared Goodhart was, needless to say, accused of being a racist. But his argument (inspired by the Conservative MP David Willetts) has been impossible to ignore. It has forced the Labour Party to think again about immigration.
    Goodhart has now turned his article into a book. Well-written, thoughtful and exhaustively researched, his volume will come to be regarded as one of the most important contributions to political debate in the early 21st century. He demolishes the myths created by the liberal elite about immigration, exposes the lies and contradictions, and suggests a way forward. Though he tells us many shocking things, he expresses himself in a measured and sober way.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/9986465/The-British-Dream-by-David-Goodhart-and-The-Diversity-Illusion-by-Ed-West-review.html

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  10. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ All_on_Red (869 comments) says:
    March 16th, 2014 at 8:24 am

    Yes, and I certainly hope our government and the future jig-saw government take note.

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  11. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Hj
    Nice, of course calling someone a racist is just code for the standard leftist tactic of ” shut up, shut up, shut up!”

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  12. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Scott Chris (5,644 comments) says:
    March 16th, 2014 at 8:31 am

    As I sat and listened to the latest reports last night, all I could feel was great sympathy for those families.

    One minute they are told the plane has almost certainly gone down – and now that it was hyjacked, leaving a very small possibility that it may have actually landed and that their loved ones could still be alive.

    However unlikely that is, when in times like this, we tend to grab hold of even the slightest bit of hope – those families need a definitive answer. How horrible, and how cruel this has been on them.

    I can’t think of anything in the animal kingdom that is quite as cruel as the human race.

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  13. Tauhei Notts (1,712 comments) says:

    Spare a kind thought for those Blues supporters as they struggle with their “Depression” problems.

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  14. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    What I am concerned about,( apart from the passengers and their relatives- that must be horrible) is what is the plane going to be used for? I doubt they want ransom for the passengers.
    A flying bomb?

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  15. hj (7,019 comments) says:

    hj (5,566 comments) says:
    March 16th, 2014 at 8:19 am

    Seinfield criticised for lack of D.
    ….
    Goes to show that a “monoculture” (loaded word implying monotony) isn’t boring. The same applies to Dickens

    “Pancks ( Little Dorrit ) Clerk and rent collector for Mr. Casby. He assists in finding William Dorrit’s fortune. Dickens employs the metaphor of Pancks as a tugboat guiding Casby’s “ship.” Pancks moves tugboat style “with a puff and a snort.”

    http://charlesdickenspage.com/char_n-q.htm
    BTW

    Goodhart demolishes what he calls the “immigrationist myth”. This is the proposition, spun by the political elite for the last quarter century, that Britain is a mongrel nation that has always been open to outside arrivals. As he painstakingly demonstrates, this is almost completely untrue: “From 1066 until 1950 immigration was almost non-existent – about 50,000 Huguenots in the 16th and 17th century, about 150,000 Jews in two waves, and perhaps one million or more Irish over 200 years, during which time they were internal migrants within one state.” More immigrants now arrive on British shores in a single year than they did in the entire period from 1066 to 1950, excluding wartime flows and the Irish.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/9986465/The-British-Dream-by-David-Goodhart-and-The-Diversity-Illusion-by-Ed-West-review.html

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  16. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ All_on_Red (871 comments) says:
    March 16th, 2014 at 8:44 am

    Good Point – there maybe a complete plane out there with the capacity to fly great distances, in the hands of people that by their very actions have proven themselves to have no compassion, and be mentally unstable. If that is the case, we all have reason to worry.

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  17. holysheet (388 comments) says:

    Take a closer look at Diego Garcia. All alone out there in the indian ocean, airfield big enough to take the worlds biggest planes.
    My conspiracy hat tells me the CIA hijacked the plane to prevent the Chinese getting those 20 or so tech experts with all the US defence knowledge.
    It’s tricky, just saying.

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  18. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Another one
    All n red.

    have you bothered finding out what RSS is and why it does not prove “no surface warming”?

    In fact did you know that RSS clearly shows the effects of global warming.

    In the decline in upper atmosphere temperatures caused by co2s warm blanket holding the heat down.

    http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html

    Have fun all n red as you click on the higher channels to see the high atmospheres cooling from AGW.

    And for fucks sake wake up to the fact dr Roy Spencer is a creationist christian who has religious views that override his Scientific thinking.
    http://www.cornwallalliance.org/
    The Cornwall Alliance is a coalition of clergy, theologians, religious leaders, scientists, academics, and policy experts committed to bringing a balanced Biblical view of stewardship to the critical issues of environment and development

    “The Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming rests on the solid findings of the Renewed Call to Truth, so evangelicals can be confident that it represents outstanding theology, science, and economics.” CA

    Roy has god in a big way. outstanding Theology and science :lol: You can have one or the other not both.

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  19. stephieboy (3,066 comments) says:

    griffith nothing wacky about wat but as far Reid,UT etc well……ummm.!

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  20. peterwn (3,272 comments) says:

    See:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11220375
    ‘Cold-case killer convicted with science help from NZ’

    Is this the sort of export industry that David Cunliffe hopes for. Well done ESR.

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  21. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    I never got Seinfeld, or that spinoff that’s playing in NZ. There is something just too cynical and smartass about both.

    But “diversity” is just Cultural Marxist speak for anyone but white, heterosexual males.

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  22. jcuk (686 comments) says:

    With Flight 370 apparently heading across the Southern India Ocean in latest reports makes me wonder if a cash strapped Aussie airline wants another plane [black humour]

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  23. stephieboy (3,066 comments) says:

    Flight 370 attracts bizarre Conpiracy theories,

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/disappearance-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-sparks-conspiracy-theories-article-1.1717801

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  24. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “Theology and science :lol: You can have one or the other not both.”

    Sure you can.

    Society of Ordained Scientists. Founder, Rev. Dr. Arthur Peacocke. Website, http://www.ordainedscientists.org/

    The Society of Ordained Scientists (S.O.Sc.) is an international religious order of priest-scientists within the Anglican Communion. The organisation was founded at the University of Oxford by biologist-theologian Arthur Peacocke following the establishment of several other similar societies in the 1970s, in order to advance the field of religion and science. Membership in the Society of Ordained Scientists is open to any member of a Christian denomination upholding belief in the Holy Trinity. As a result, the ecumenical religious order includes individuals from the Anglican Church, Catholic Church, Methodist Church, Orthodox Church, Reformed Church, among other Christian denominations.

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  25. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ holysheet (178 comments) says:
    March 16th, 2014 at 8:57 am

    I read a news report last night, which I can’t find now, that quoted a pilot who flew these things, and he reckoned they are over-estimating the size of the runway needed and that he has and can land one on (I think it said) 3500. His argument was that if it had been landed by a person with previous experience, there were a number of places they weren’t considering that were capable of being used.

    Like 9/11, the moon landings, UFO’s and other things, I have no idea and are not sufficiently scientifically capable of working out any of the arguments… I am however trained in researching human nature – where both in modern society and historically innocent lives have been used by egotists with some whacky agenda to achieve their own selfish needs/beliefs – so nothing would surprise me.

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  26. flash2846 (284 comments) says:

    @ hj (5,567 comments) says: Seinfield criticised for lack of D.

    Thanks hj for the post

    What the interviewer means is; where are the standard character types: ‘INTELLECTUAL CLEVER BLACK GUYS’. the ‘FASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET’ GIRLS, the ‘SMARTER THAN SMART GAY GUYS’ the ‘DUMB WHITE GUYS’, the PATHETIC, CORRUPT, DISHONEST, RACIST, SELFISH, INCOMPETANT, PERVERTED and WEAK etc….. WHITE GUYS

    …..who are always over represented in American television.

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  27. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Stephie wat isnt being a whack because I have held him up to ridicule so often he will not play.

    You may not have clicked but griffith is a new log in for Griff who had around 6,000 comments and three years on kb.

    A few hundred of those will be addressed to Wat and a couple of other wingnuts. One other of whom is andy who can be found in postings on denial on the daily blog and whale. He seldom posts on kb because the ridicule got to him as well :lol: Griff and pulling the wings of wingnuts.

    . If you aint read saul RFR get a copy and memorize the simple rules.

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  28. rightofleftcentre (77 comments) says:

    This from Russel Norman in a Fairfax interview today (http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9829067/Frugal-Russel-true-to-his-roots):

    “Probably my education is my best investment. It’s a mixed bag, actually. When I first left school I did 3 years of medicine. It actually was very useful in the long run, but in the short-term, it meant I wasted quite a lot of time and money on what is effectively a trade, without ever completing it. Later on I went back and did a BA (Honours) and PhD in politics and history.”

    So what do you do when you drop-out? You denigrate the profession you failed to enter. Then do a PhD on something really relevant: the NZ Alliance party – strange choice for an Aussie – not suggesting it was a soft option… And then become……..da da…….a left wing politician, whose main contribution is sarcastic negativity.

    Trade or profession, Russel? Or neither?

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  29. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Oh dear Griff.

    In fact did you know that RSS clearly shows the effects of global warming. In the decline in upper atmosphere temperatures caused by co2s warm blanket holding the heat down.

    In fact enhanced warming of the troposphere is a fingerprint of anthropogenic warming. So you are actually strongly arguing against the alarmists’ theory here and demonstrating the sceptical case.
    (Enhanced polar warming is, of course, another fingerprint of AGW; which again is entirely noticeable by its absence. Yet more proof that the sceptics are entirely correct.)

    This is powerful evidence that recent warming was natural rather than anthropogenic.

    And when I say ‘recent’ I mean, of course, ‘not very recent at all':

    “No global warming for 17 years, 6 months”
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/04/no-global-warming-for-17-years-6-months/

    The promised global warming never happened. Yet the religionists just keep on getting more and more shrill don’t they.

    By the way, the idea that CO2 acts like a “warm blanket holding the heat down.” is adorable. And that you think that a warmer lower atmosphere would actually lead to a cooler upper atmosphere is delightful.

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  30. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    And not everything is black and white on the evangelical side with regards to climate change.

    The Evangelical Climate Initiative (ECI) is a campaign by US-American church leaders and organizations to promote market based mechanisms to mitigate global warming.

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  31. flipper (4,062 comments) says:

    There is much (in some ways understandable) angst over the missing Malaysian 777.
    But to claim that the Malaysians are in competent is just drivel.

    The facts are that US satellites are today able, through one means or another, to track the flight path of almost every international aircraft flight, at some stage during a flight. Moreover the 777 and other similar aircraft have several highly classified automatic emergency transmitters. It seems that it has been established that these transmitters were disabled. What that would require, is closely guarded and on-board knowledge, and crew participation. But it has also emerged that engine pinging devices were in operation for four hours (out of a maximum of five) after the aircraft disappeared from radar tracking.

    The French, Russia, and the Chinese have top quality satellite capability, and other means of aircraft tracking/identification. But they are many years BEHIND the US capability. Just how much, and what that means in terms of war conflicts, is the most closely guarded of secrets. Any sensible analyst would ask whether the US would reveal its entire technical means when a foreign airline disappears. It would reveal more were it a US airliner, but the release would be closely controlled and disguised.

    So where does this leave us?

    It seems clear that it is, as was said by the Malaysians on Australian Sky News last n bight, either hijacking or suicide.

    I do not see much point in firing shots at the Malaysians, because they have limited technical capabilities.
    BUT…Malaysia is an Islamic nation, is it not???

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  32. wiseowl (894 comments) says:

    Watching pants down Brown on Q+A makes me feel ill.

    And I loved the comment on English………waffle,waffle,waffle.

    Summed him up nicely.

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  33. NoCash (258 comments) says:

    I was talking with my workmates on Friday morning when we first learnt that the plane was “pinging” the satellite. We discussed that assuming that each ping was done in pulse then it shouldn’t be too difficult work out an estimated flight path based on the last known location and Doppler shift with a geostationary satellite. It turns out that the Inmarsat network does use geostationary satellite.

    If my workmates and I were able to figure out a way to try locating the plane with basically no operating knowledge of the aviation industry, surely the experts in the industry would have figured that out since day one.

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  34. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Griff
    I have been aware of the work of Remote Sensing Systems for some years now. In fact have quoted it to you in the past and been abused by you for it.
    Both RSS and UAH actually measure from the surface up to the Troposphere . The reason there is interest in temperatures in the Troposphere is because that is where warmest scientists say positive feedback and radiative forcing is taking place in what they call ” hot spots”. This was one of the main planks of CAGW theory which promulgates we will see rises of 3-6 degrees K.
    This effect has not been observed and as you know the average global temp has changed little for twenty years . Looking at surface temps, the north has warmed, the middle a bit and the south not at all.
    My view is that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, as is water vapour . When the two mix, they create warming. However, Positive feedback is less than thought, if at all and that climate sensitivity because of this lack of feedback is about 1.3 – 1.5 degrees K per century.
    Natural variability plays a huge part in this and is influenced by ENSO, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the Atlantic Multi- decadal Oscillation and sunspot activity (less or more).These things sometimes balance out warming by providing a mechanism through which cooling can occur or sometimes cause warming.No one has yet been able to accurately say how much warming man actually contributes through emission of CO2. There is no doubt that man does influence things by changing the environment we live in. Deforestation and Urban Heat Island effect from large cities spring to mind.
    There has been no increase worldwide in extreme weather activity like hurricanes, floods and droughts.
    Sea level rise is consistent at 2-3 mm per decade. Just as it always has been as we continue to warm from the little Ice Age.
    In terms of life on our Planet, warming is better than getting colder and there is no doubt an increase in CO2 has been beneficial for us all in terms of extra and faster growth of food.
    I have nothing further to say to you now , your childish abuse is boring and you can complete your journey on your own.
    Our Planet is amazing and we are truly fortunate to be on it.

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  35. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    The idea that a big plane could fly could fly an unplanned/off the books flight within 1000 miles of an operational US air/army/navy base without being shot down just seems silly to me.
    Diego Garcia is smack bang in the middle of the indian ocean, if it didnt go to DG then it had to fly over India?

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  36. tvb (4,422 comments) says:

    The illegal immigrant trade that swamped Australia is probably the biggest policy blunder of the Gillard/Rudd Government. It cost $11billion over 1000 people drowned at sea. Now the trade has slowed to a crawl. Christine Milne of the Greens still does not get it. Instead she bangs on about one person murdered on Manus Island. If the trade is opened up again then more people will drown at sea. Tony Abbott is dead right about this. The Labour Party does not get Abbott but the public do as the recent State Elections in Tasmania and South Australia show, in which both State Labor Governments ran on an anti Abbott ticket and lost.

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  37. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Socialists attempt to change your housing perceptions.

    The concept of smaller homes was welcomed by business journalist Rod Oram who said it was important to demonstrate to people that it was possible to have compact houses that were still attractive. “In this case they are light and airy and are very carefully designed for maximum sunlight and heat.”

    Oram said older couples who were downsizing might find the options attractive. He hoped that with time the design could be improved to be less boxy and more interesting.

    Housing Minister Nick Smith said New Zealand houses had been growing consistently larger even though household size had declined. “This initiative is about leading a change of thinking to smaller and more affordable housing.”
    ================================

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9833198/Small-homes-make-impression

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  38. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Wat did you read my little note to red?
    The link is above to rss
    have a look wat
    note the decline in temperatures the higher you go. its your choice of graph do you have a reason for the decline in upper air temperature so vividly shown on rss? A cooling upper atmosphere Is a result of less of the sun’s energy escaping into space

    As for your link A Watts and loopy lord mockton in the same post :lol:
    and they have the following scientific credentials………………….

    failed tv weather man and a public speaker who has a history of bullshit against nasa the royal society the national academy all major scientific bodies in the world all major world governments the world bank the un the pentagon etcetera

    A letter sent to lord full of shit by the english parlement

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2011/july/letter-to-viscount-monckton/
    I must repeat my predecessor’s statement that you are not and have never been a Member of the House of Lords…

    The guy is a whack job who has been caught bullshiting so often its a joke :lol:

    You posted a link to conspiracy thinking a few months age and used it to attack our moonbats why don’t you hold your own conspiracy up to the same light.

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  39. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    What the hell is going on? Heard Lecher Len on NewstalkZB stating the furore is over and he is now operating as per usual with no interferences. There is no place for a creep such as this dishonest, fraudulent, immoral cretin in a public position of trust and expected decency. Come on demonstrators go up another gear!

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  40. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Both RSS and UAH actually measure from the surface up to the Troposphere

    :lol:
    they measure down from space and are the most inaccurate temperatures series we have. The reason you wingnuts insist on quoting rss is it’s not the surface temperature and an artefact of the methods used it can not resolve temperature at the surface clearly. it also can not resolve the poles due to atmospheric depth so missis the huge warming north.
    Cristy and spencer have repeatedly had their work corrected by others for underestimating the rise in temperature.

    rss is not surface temperature or accurate. it also shows surface temprature rise even in your cherry picked time span from 1998 elnino. If the trend is not significant you increase the data span untill the trend rises from the noise not ignore the numbers because of your wingnut beliefs

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  41. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    griff,

    Enhanced warming of the troposphere is a fingerprint of AGW.

    By pointing out the absence of this signature you are in fact demonstrating the falsity of the AGW theory.

    Just as if you chose to point out the absence of enhanced polar warming.

    Or if you chose to point out the absence of any warming for some 18 years, in complete contradiction of the alarmists’ promises.

    A cooling upper atmosphere Is a result of less of the sun’s energy escaping into space

    Try and think through the physics of what you are claiming and you may realise the utter absurdity of it.

    The whole AGW theory is based on the idea that more sunlight is retained has heat in the atmosphere. The upper atmosphere doesn’t cool as a result of this, because it is part of the very atmosphere that is retaining more heat. All that happens is that it operates at a higher equilibrium.

    Whatever theory you imagine you are advocating here, it is not the enhanced anthropogenic global warming theory. It is something you invented from whole cloth.

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  42. hj (7,019 comments) says:

    As oxytocin comes into sharper focus, its social radius of action turns out to have definite limits. The love and trust it promotes are not toward the world in general, just toward a person’s in-group. Oxytocin turns out to be the hormone of the clan, not of universal brotherhood. Psychologists trying to specify its role have now concluded it is the agent of ethnocentrism.
    //
    Despite the limitation on oxytocin’s social reach, its effect seems to be achieved more through inducing feelings of loyalty to the in-group than by fomenting hatred of the out-group. The Dutch researchers found some evidence that it enhances negative feelings, but this was not conclusive. “Oxytocin creates intergroup bias primarily because it motivates in-group favoritism and because it motivates out-group derogation,” they write.
    //
    What does it mean that a chemical basis for ethnocentrism is embedded in the human brain? “In the ancestral environment it was very important for people to detect in others whether they had a long-term commitment to the group,” Dr. De Dreu said. “Ethnocentrism is a very basic part of humans, and it’s not something we can change by education. That doesn’t mean that the negative aspects of it should be taken for granted.”

    Bruno B. Averbeck, an expert on the brain’s emotional processes at the National Institute of Mental Health, said that the effects of oxytocin described in Dr. De Dreu’s report were interesting but not necessarily dominant. The brain weighs emotional attitudes like those prompted by oxytocin against information available to the conscious mind. If there is no cognitive information in a situation in which a decision has to be made, like whether to trust a stranger about whom nothing is known, the brain will go with the emotional advice from its oxytocin system, but otherwise rational data will be weighed against the influence from oxytocin and may well override it, Dr. Averbeck said.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/science/11hormone.html

    So when Brown (NZ First) or Des Dunlop (Grey Power) get their nose rubbed in it for asking “will they fit in”, the response is “why is it only Asian immigration you are opposed to?” The conclusion is : ah ha! Gotcha! rotten racist -and a closing of the debate. However the two different reactions to people from U.K versus Asians don’t preclude the possibility that more immigration is bad (if not for everybody) and it raises such things as the question of identity. It is not PC to see yourself as part of a group with a common heritage and that group to have a right to the geographical entity known as New Zealand). There is also a question of cultural dilution (rather than the alleged enhancement). The same ethnocentric focus applies to Asians as Europeans.

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  43. hj (7,019 comments) says:

    Viking2 (10,549 comments) says:
    March 16th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Socialists attempt to change your housing perceptions.
    ….
    What is wrong with new urbanism? We have waste space between houses and garden is best concentrated where it is viewed from a window (not down a driveway). Also garages and driveways are a waste of space etc?

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  44. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Wat,
    It’s hilarious isn’t it.

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  45. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Troposphere_Temperature_Trend1.jpg
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troposphere
    The temperature of the troposphere generally decreases as altitude increases. The rate at which the temperature decreases, -dT/dz, is called the environmental lapse rate (ELR). The ELR is nothing more than the difference in temperature between the surface and the tropopause divided by the height. The reason for this temperature difference is that most absorption of the sun’s energy occurs at the ground which then heats the lower levels of the atmosphere, and the radiation of heat occurs at the top of the atmosphere cooling the earth, this process maintaining the overall heat balance of the earth.

    less radiation into space means the upper atmosphere will show cooling just like your rss temperature series confirms, the heatenergy is being retained by earth not radiated into space..

    Try actually reading some science rather than wingnut sources with no authority and hidden funding

    All the scientist are in a massive conspiracy you can only trust blogs not the government’s or the university’s or anyone else in actual authority. Conspircy thinking :lol: wingnuts and reality .

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  46. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    They never went away.

    google translation:

    Kharkov National Bolsheviks picket Russian consulate with posters “for Vova”. To get, as everything is mixed up with them

    https://twitter.com/adagamov/status/443108852641574913/photo/1

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  47. calendar girl (1,232 comments) says:

    Viking2 (10,549 comments) says:
    March 16th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Socialists attempt to change your housing perceptions.

    Thanks for that interesting link, Viking. Perhaps socialist business journalist Rod Oram and Housing Minister Nick Smith would care to let us know the floor areas of their own principal places of residence. (Or are they advocating smaller homes just for everyone else?)

    Those smaller houses featured are not “inexpensive” either, in relative terms, for that far out in the western suburbs:
    – 40sqm home for $340,000; and
    – 89sqm home for $485,000.
    If somebody is not making a killing on the sale of the underlying land (is it Government-owned land?), then the builder is promoting a very handsome little earner for itself.

    The prices are not true “market” prices, of course, given Government sponsorship and artificial promotion. Value (as opposed to prices) will ultimately be established by sales in the secondary market.

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  48. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    yes all in red it is as funny as reid and his moonbat theory’s sourced from the alt blogosphere. This time its you and wat who are the joke.

    You all hate the Greens who at lest recognise reality.

    If the right doest engage in climate change in a constructive manner and attempt to halt the rise in co2 we are fucked.

    This is not alarmist bullshit its sound peer-reviewed science from the worlds scientific authority’s

    Idiots like you two and the fuckwits giving me reds are going to regret their stupidity when their kids ask them why?

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  49. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Both extremes of the climate debate are wrong. Those claiming that AGW is absolutely happening are no different to those claiming it is absolutely not.

    Science, real science, does not deal in absolutes, but in balances of probability.

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  50. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Agree Shawn, which is why I’d describe myself as a “lukewarmer”

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  51. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    From #NewZealandifiedMovieTitles

    A Few Choice Blokes
    Apopsicalypse Now
    Ben Chur
    Billy T. James Bond
    Born On The Sixth Of February
    Butch Cassidy And The Milky Bar Kid
    Catton a Hot Tin Roof
    Djandal Unchained
    East of Dunedin
    Fear and Loathing in Rotovegas
    Forrest Crump
    From Heretaunga to Eternity
    Full Swandri Jacket
    George of the Bush
    Gone in Sexty Succonds
    Gone With The WINZ
    Goodbye, Mr Chups
    Harry Potter and the Philospher’s Stoned
    Hone I Shrunk the Kids
    Last Of The Brohicans
    Last Tango In Tarras
    Levin Let Die
    Lock, Stock And Two Smoking Bongs
    Married to the Mongrel Mob
    Men in Black Singlets
    Mushion Impussible
    North by North Westport
    Poi Story
    PsyKo (Lydia)
    Rambro
    Sophie’s Choice As
    The Chronicles Of Naenae
    The Day of the Jandal
    The Foreshore-shank Redemption
    The Godfather –> Dad’s Friend Daryl
    The Hangi Games
    The Lion Red King
    The Mayor Who Shagged Me
    The Paua of One
    The Rocky Horowhenua Picture Show
    The Silence of the Lamb Chops
    There’s Something About Mary Wilson
    To Have and Havelock
    Twizelight
    War of the Roses Chocolates
    Westie Side Story
    Wild Wild West Coast

    Larger list

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  52. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    The temperature of the troposphere generally decreases as altitude increases

    Er, Griff, this is both obvious and completely irrelevant.

    The troposphere always has been and always will be cooler than the lower atmosphere, both because of its reduced pressure and because it is further from the Earth where light is converted into into heat.

    What we are discussing are changes in temperature; the effects of global warming.

    That the troposphere remains colder than the lower atmosphere under all scenarios is a given.

    That you could so misunderstand this simple point is amazing, even for you.

    So I repeat:

    Enhanced warming of the troposphere is a fingerprint of the AGW theory.

    Sceptics point out that there is no such enhanced warming, which disproves the AGW theory.

    And now you are here strongly agreeing that there is no enhanced tropospheric warming (yet somehow imagining that by doing so you are supporting the AGW case.)

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  53. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Yes red, so would I. I have no doubt that we are most likely experiencing a period of extreme climate change. But AGW is a theory, and it is one that has political mileage. Scientists whose funding is dependent on promoting AGW can hardly be called objective, and the Green movement of course has nothing at all to gain politically from apocalyptic doomsday scenarios.

    Yeah right.

    And how many of these “scientists” Griff talks about have had to withdraw statements they made about the imminent effects of AGW because they could not be verified?

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  54. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Shawn the difference between 95% and 100% is very small odds to bet humanity on

    The IPCC is an independent international body set up by the worlds governments that has looked very carefully into the science and found 95% certainty.

    The royal society and the national academy have just issued a joint statement.
    http://royalsociety.org/policy/projects/climate-evidence-causes/

    Climate change is one of the defining issues of our time. It is now more
    certain than ever, based on many lines of evidence, that humans are
    changing Earth’s climate. The atmosphere and oceans have warmed,
    accompanied by sea-level rise, a strong decline in Arctic sea ice, and
    other climate-related changes.

    Do you think that the uncertainty is such that no action should be taken and on what research do you base this?

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  55. Dave Mann (1,218 comments) says:

    I know that many people on this blog hate and ridicule Winston Peters, but I have just watched him being interviewed on The Nation by Patrick Gower and, my God, he looked good. He looks and talks more like a statesman than any of his peers and his position on power companies, asset ownership, superannuation and fishing are right-on. Discuss :D

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  56. stephieboy (3,066 comments) says:

    Christopher Monctkton : Climate Change Misinformer,

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/Monckton_Myths_arg.htm

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  57. Dave Mann (1,218 comments) says:

    …. by ‘discuss’ I mean ‘debate’ (if this is possible without resorting to abuse)

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  58. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Climate scientists withdraw journal claims of rising sea levels:

    “Scientists have been forced to withdraw a study on projected sea level rise due to global warming after finding mistakes that undermined the findings.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/21/sea-level-geoscience-retract-siddall

    IPCC officials admit mistake over melting Himalayan glaciers
    Senior members of the UN’s climate science body admit a claim that Himalayan glaciers could melt away by 2035 was unfounded:

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jan/20/ipcc-himalayan-glaciers-mistake

    And here’s one for Griff,

    Glacier scientist: I knew data hadn’t been verified

    The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html

    He admitted that the claims were made, without verification, to PUT POLITICAL PRESSURE ON WORLD LEADERS.

    Oops :)

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  59. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    Some have pointed out that Obama looks like the robot on the cover of Queen’s 1977 album, News Of The World.
    It didn’t take long for a cartoonist to do a cartoon based on it –

    http://www.cagle.com/2014/03/national-security-state/

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  60. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    hj (5,569 comments) says:
    March 16th, 2014 at 10:49 am

    Viking2 (10,549 comments) says:
    March 16th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Socialists attempt to change your housing perceptions.
    ….
    What is wrong with new urbanism? We have waste space between houses and garden is best concentrated where it is viewed from a window (not down a driveway). Also garages and driveways are a waste of space etc?
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    ========================

    Nothing new in urbanisation at all. Think Coronation St, a number of now flash area’s in Auckland (Ponsonby), Wellington Kilburnie etc.
    Your communists all think you need to control others, what they do and how they live. People can decide for themselves and don’t need pratts like you or Smith or Oram nor Brown to tell them what the want.

    calendar girl (1,099 comments) says:
    March 16th, 2014 at 11:24 am

    Viking2 (10,549 comments) says:
    March 16th, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Socialists attempt to change your housing perceptions.

    Thanks for that interesting link, Viking. Perhaps socialist business journalist Rod Oram and Housing Minister Nick Smith would care to let us know the floor areas of their own principal places of residence. (Or are they advocating smaller homes just for everyone else?)

    Those smaller houses featured are not “inexpensive” either, in relative terms, for that far out in the western suburbs:
    – 40sqm home for $340,000; and
    – 89sqm home for $485,000.
    If somebody is not making a killing on the sale of the underlying land (is it Government-owned land?), then the builder is promoting a very handsome little earner for itself.

    The prices are not true “market” prices, of course, given Government sponsorship and artificial promotion. Value (as opposed to prices) will ultimately be established by sales in the secondary market.
    ================
    quite right CG.

    As for the price. Well there is someone making a killing.
    Buy bigger size relocatable houses for way less when located on a section. Two bedroom relocatable I did recently with a big added covered deck cost me under $175K plus section costs. Happily sell it for their price.

    Still communists must control our lives with rules and more rules etc.

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  61. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    But AGW is a theory, and it is one that has political mileage. Scientists whose funding is dependent on promoting AGW can hardly be called objective, and the Green movement of course has nothing at all to gain politically from apocalyptic doomsday scenarios.

    And yet while other things like the war on tewwor have precisely the same dynamics attached to them, somehow the very same people who see all of these things in AGW see absolutely nothing of the very same things in things like the war on tewwor.

    It’s almost as if you have one set of memes for the lefties and another set of memes for the conservatives but of course, that couldn’t possibli be, could it.

    Why any such suggestion would be simply outrageous, the world doesn’t work like that, everyone knows that.

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  62. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Reid, there is a difference between debating science and funding issues, and claiming a global conspiracy of Jewish/Cabalistic/Illuminati and lizard people.

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  63. Longknives (4,746 comments) says:

    News of the World was a great Queen album- aside from the obvious classics it had very underrated tracks like ‘It’s Late’ and ‘Sheer Heart Attack’…
    (Can we stop debating Climate Change now?)

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  64. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Wat before you engage in wingnuttery try checking your data series.

    You and wingnut red tried to use rss to prove your wingnuttery not me It shows upper atmosphere cooling trend that increases the higher you go. This is evidence that the earth is radiating less energy into space. if the energy incoming is constant and the energy leaving is decreasing it gives only one result more energy retained. and before you go wingnut sun energy bullshit the sun’s energy has declined by a very small fraction which actual science has quantified it’s not enough to explain the energy imbalance.

    RSS shows a greater cooling trend the higher you go in the atmosphere combined with the surface data showing increasing ground level temperatures. Its AGW or magic climate pixies you chose but for me I will stick to science..

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  65. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “(Can we stop debating Climate Change now?)”

    Happily :)

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  66. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Dave Mann (1,117 comments) says:
    March 16th, 2014 at 11:40 am

    I have to agree – despite my criticism of him in the past, I was suitably impressed with his strong performance too. That will appeal to many who are seeking an alternative to the normal dichotomy.

    I can’t help but fear an ill fitting ‘jig saw puzzle’ government, but that appears to be what we will probably get. I hope if Winston is involved that his health enables him to remain a mighty force to keep everyone ‘honest’ (as honest as it gets in politics!)

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  67. hj (7,019 comments) says:

    Diverse Auckland: Are we there yet?

    jh, in reply to Sacha, 4 minutes ago

    so you’re saying that some notion of “European” NZ is legitimate?

    Yes.
    http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-diverse-auckland-are-we-there-yet/?p=307737#post307737

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  68. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Run away from the game little wingnut because you are making an arse of yourself

    You don’t have to engage but seeing as you have been hounding Reid for his moonbat ideas don’t you think yours should be held up to the light?

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  69. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Why we should be concerned about authoritarian environmentalism:

    Wyoming welder faces $75,000 a day in EPA fines for building pond on his property:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/14/wyoming-welder-faces-fine-for-building-pond-on-his-own-property/?intcmp=latestnews

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  70. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Griff, I think your wingnuttery should be held up to the light :)

    Any response to this Griff?

    Glacier scientist: I knew data hadn’t been verified

    The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html

    He admitted that the claims were made, without verification, to PUT POLITICAL PRESSURE ON WORLD LEADERS.

    Pretending that AGW fundamentalists are above board and objective is making an arse of yourself :)

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  71. stephieboy (3,066 comments) says:

    Dear, Dear Rupert rants and tweets about Flight 370,

    http://shanghaiist.com/2014/03/15/rupert-murdoch-mh370.php

    Naturally from a pro Communist China perspective.

    Hmmm..!

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  72. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Take a music break!

    From my fave musical act, Desiderii Marginis: The Ever Green Tree.

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  73. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    UFC 171 on at 3pm today.

    Great card!

    Welterweight Johny Hendricks vs. Robbie Lawler – for the Welterweight title. im picking big rig hendricks. he lost a decision against the all time great GSP last time out (most people thought he won). GSP has vacated the belt. both these guys are knock out artists. Hendricks one punch power is insane. hes also a wicked wrestler.

    Welterweight Carlos Condit vs. Tyron Woodley

    Condit is one of dimes favourite fighters. i think he will be champ by the end of the year. Tyron is a beast of a wrestler and has power. potential fight of the night.

    Lightweight Diego Sanchez vs. Myles Jury

    I hate Sanchez but he puts on awesome fights. his last fight reminded me of a rocky movie.

    Welterweight Jake Shields vs. Hector Lombard

    Shields is a BJJ guy. usually boring. But hes fighting Lombard who just knocks people out and is hard to take down. should be an interesting fight. Lombard being a cuban who the australians claim as their own. cause they are desperate fucks. the guy barely speaks english

    If youre only buying a couple of cards this year, make sure this is one of them.

    only $24.99 and you get a great afternoon of sport and you get to know that pete george disapproves.

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  74. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Damn, that does look like a good lineup Dime.

    Why does Pete George disapprove?

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  75. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    Well I suppose with the pissing poor weather in NZ everybody could then be excused for not suggesting that the sun is a valid reason for ‘varients’ in the earth’s temprature.
    Blindingly obvious really – if you happen that is, to feel it’s beautiful warmth and rays all day long. Like here in QLD. :cool:

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  76. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    “Seinfield criticised for lack of D.”

    Seinfeld was actually involved with a native Amercan woman for many years.

    He included Native Americans on his show. Something blacks themselves don’t do.

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  77. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “Why does Pete George disapprove?”

    because its a fighting sport. Havent we evolved? blah blah blah

    awesome card. cant wait.

    the last free fight of the day is a good one too.

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  78. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “because its a fighting sport. Havent we evolved? blah blah blah”

    Oh. Silly man :)

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  79. Dave Mann (1,218 comments) says:

    @ShawnLH that video reminds me of something I read about one of the Scandinavian countries’ new TV fads, where they document something like a cruise liner for hours travelling up a fjord…. lol. I think the genre is called ‘slow tv’. Did you hear or read about this too?

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  80. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    i watched the seinfeld interview. the dopes showed clips from 3 different shows.. guests were louis ck, tina unfunny fey and chris rock! 1 out of 3 black..

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  81. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    “UFC 171 on at 3pm today.

    Great card!

    “I can only say the naysayers and one trick pony acusers of the great Ronda Rousey have been put to sleep permanently.

    Also, she finds it hard to encourage sparring partners. women have to be bought in from Mexico. Dana White has footage showing her knock them all out.

    She has the charisma of Bruce Lee and Ali and is acknowledged the greatest female martial artist in the world today.

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  82. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    David Rose

    A blogger from the denial sphere

    And a winner too

    http://planet3.org/2013/01/06/the-2012-golden-horseshoe-award-david-rose-of-the-daily-mail/

    THE GOLDEN HORSESHOE

    The most brazenly damaging and malign Bad Science of 2013

    WINNER – David Rose and the Daily Mail

    CLAIM – There is no recent sign of global warming (twice!)

    REBUTTAL

    Amazingly, though the first such claim was solidly rebutted by no leass than the UK Met Office in January essentially the same claim was made in October!

    As I said lets see who goes with the blog sites and wingnuttery and discounts the actual science type guys. This is one of the signs of a conspirowhacky wingnut.

    Rose is not an authority he is a anti science blogger and has been caught bullshiting that often he smells like shit.

    If you get your science information from the daily mail you really are a whackjob. rrofl

    This is fun any other non entities you are going to quote as authority’s on science

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  83. Longknives (4,746 comments) says:

    I know UFC is ‘Trendy’ right now but I still love the Sweet Science- I could spend hours on You Tube watching old Ali, Marciano, Louis, Ray Leonard or Tyson fights..

    And Tina Fey is about as funny as a fart in a phone booth. Saturday Night Live used to be groundbreaking comedy- now it is simply a load of leftie wannabes gushing over their hero Obama…

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  84. Scott Chris (6,137 comments) says:

    What is wrong with new urbanism? We have waste space between houses and garden is best concentrated where it is viewed from a window (not down a driveway). Also garages and driveways are a waste of space etc?

    I’m with you on this one hj. Perhaps if people owned smaller houses they’d be forced to be more selective as to which pieces of useless junk they want to clutter their houses with.

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  85. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    longknives – theres obviously a place for both sports.

    its just a shame boxing is so corrupt and you rarely get to see the best fighting the best.

    dana white from the ufc has been flirting with boxing. he had a boxing show for a while. it would be good to see boxing have a reassurance.

    wiki- i fucking cant stand womens MMA and i hate that piece of trash rousey :) the charisma or ali? bahahaha shes an emotionally stunted brat. watch the season of the ultimate fighter she did. she lost a lot of fans.

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  86. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    Reason: Oh my god, it’s another tall poppy

    Ernest Rutherford split the atom, he mentored 11 Nobel prizewinners, he fostered equal rights for women at Cambridge and found homes for displaced Jewish scholars in the early 30s. He was a big man, a loud man, a man of rages.

    Einstein called him the second Isaac Newton.

    New Zealand calls him one of their own, just another Ern who was pretty good at physics.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/9833300/Reason-Oh-my-god-its-another-tall-poppy

    This is the thinking with Kiwi’s and why I’m proud to be a Kiwi. We’re so humble.

    we split the atom , climb the highest mountain, help win wars then go back to what we really want to do….watch Shorty St.

    I actually know someone who’s watched every episode since th ebeginning bar one. And he’s a black belt Tae Kwon Do instructor who had the privilige of meeting his idol a Tae Kwon Do master.

    so I think I’m pretty on the button about this Shorty St business

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  87. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/03/15/nr-quest-incident-started-before-final-message.cnn.html

    Radio transmission after ACARS was switched off. So who made that – the pilot or someone else who was sitting in his seat?

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  88. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    “watch the season of the ultimate fighter she did. she lost a lot of fans.”

    Her youthful immaturity surely comes through. But her fighting prowess which made her the international champion also surely comes thru. She’s the first to admit she’s a bitch. Personally, I wouldn’t want to meet her. Maybe when she’s older.

    We love Sarah McMann cause she’s an old spirit but as a wrestling champion even she bows to the immense presence of Rousey. There is no doubt Rousey will achieve what she claims…that she will retire undefeated. she looked down the camera when she said that and took my breath away. And that was before the McMann fight.

    I will say I’m glad the Meisha Taite era is over. That whole affair was just excruciating.

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  89. OneTrack (3,095 comments) says:

    judith – “a mighty force to keep everyone ‘honest’ ”

    NO?

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  90. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/q-norman-vs-english.html

    A snap shot of NZ.

    Have to say that there is a lot of truth here.

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  91. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    wiki – she fights in the chicks division. they have about 12 fighters.

    she has this judo which is dominant as, yet in the blokes division judo is shit. cause they guys are far more skilled.

    its like youre in love with the flyhalf for the nz womens rugby team cause shes so awesome. who gives a crap. shes a chick rugby player.

    the ufc promote the hell out of her cause it gets them mainstream press. pisses me off.

    then i see her pop up on pound for pound lists. how the fuck can a chick be on a pound for pound list? cause im pretty sure rousey v barao @ 135 pounds would end up in her death.

    in summary – dime hates all chick sports.

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  92. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    “There is no doubt Rousey will achieve what she claims…that she will retire undefeated”

    proof at how weak the division is if that happens. even GSP, Silva, Fedor lost at some point..

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  93. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    jesus wiki – a mark reason article? he’s stuffs answer to chris rathole or whatever he’s called. wish i hadn’t have clicked the link to help his hits.

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  94. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    http://rt.com/news/un-resolution-crimea-referendum-118/

    Russia vetoes UN resolution against the Crimean vote while China abstains.

    Of course they did.

    Only galloping mentals in the West who think the Ukraine puppet govt installed by the West is legitimate, could object. And they will, because they’re idiots. And as the West goes to hell in a handcart bought about entirely by their own perfidy, the same mentals will turn around and become all angry at Russia for simply defending itself against the neocon offensive.

    Crimea isn’t Gaza, as the West will find out to its detriment.

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  95. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    socialist obama is now a neocon?

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  96. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    ” at Russia for simply defending itself against the neocon offensive.”

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……..

    If you try really really hard I’m sure you could climb up Putin’s ass just a little more :)

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  97. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    An article on what it’s really like to work for Kremlin propaganda outlet Russia Today.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/how-the-truth-is-made-at-russia-today

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  98. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “…..An article on what it’s really like to work for Kremlin propaganda outlet Russia Today….”

    ……and Washington…….

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  99. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Just like faux news harry-it.

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  100. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Fuck it, I’m going to get into this evangelical megachurch scam.

    Some $600,000 in cash and check donations were stolen this week from Lakewood Church in Houston, according to the city’s police department.

    Incredibly, all of the money was from one weekend’s donations, the church says. For many American churches, $600,000 in tithes would be a good month or even year.

    The church, which is pastored by bestselling author and preacher Joel Osteen, told congregants the stolen money came from contributions on March 8 and 9.

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/14/600000-stolen-from-joel-osteens-megachurch/

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  101. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    Q. What class division do kiwi women fight in?

    A. Sth Auckland Class. :cool:

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  102. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    “Why does Pete George disapprove?”

    It’s not something I’m interested in, nor taken any notice of, nor disapproved, and I’m not trying to tell anyone not to participate or watch, that’s up to them. Nor am I making shit up to take a cheap shot at anyone.

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  103. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “Fuck it, I’m going to get into this evangelical megachurch scam.”

    How is what happened at that church a scam?

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  104. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Convincing the punters to part with $600k a week isn’t a scam?.

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  105. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “…..The church, which is pastored by bestselling author and preacher Joel Osteen, told congregants the stolen money came from contributions on March 8 and 9…..”

    Osteen is known as a joke in most religious circles – he doesn’t speek at all about Sin – at all! – he won’t even use the word in public – Larry what’s his name the TV host called him out on it.

    That mega church is simply about getting more and more ‘compliant’ and non-thinking people to join – hence the profits.

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  106. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Oh dear Griff,

    You and wingnut red tried to use rss to prove your wingnuttery not me It shows upper atmosphere cooling trend that increases the higher you go.

    As has been pointed out to you repeatedly, your strong assertion that the troposphere is cooling directly contradicts the AGW theory you assert equally strongly.

    You obviously don’t have a clue how stupid that make you look: ‘Here is powerful evidence against a theory which you’re all idiots for not believing.’

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  107. Rowan (2,352 comments) says:

    A let down from the Highlanders and the Blues as realistically NZ could have had 5 wins from 5 games this weekend, The Western Force played really well though and deserved the win especially after defending the last 10 minutes with just 13 players.

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  108. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “Convincing the punters to part with $600k a week isn’t a scam?”

    No.

    Harriet,

    A mega-church just refers to the size of the church. It says nothing about any particular theology. Some churches are Osteen style Christianity-lite, but many more are solid Biblical churches.

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  109. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    Q. What class division do kiwi women fight in?

    A. Sth Auckland Class.

    “Where most NZ sporting heroes come from

    Who knows anyone from Remuera

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  110. calendar girl (1,232 comments) says:

    From The Telegraph in London: “Malaysia Airline MH370: 9/11-style terror allegations resurface in case of lost plane”

    Now speculation about Malaysian Islamists plotting a possible airplane crash into the Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpur:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10700652/Malaysia-Airline-MH370-911-style-terror-allegations-resurface-in-case-of-lost-plane.html

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  111. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    “Some $600,000 in cash and check donations were stolen this week from Lakewood Church in Houston, according to the city’s police department.

    Incredibly, all of the money was from one weekend’s donations, the church says. For many American churches, $600,000 in tithes would be a good month or even year.”

    which is why God is going to judge these US mega churches which should be investing in tent cities across the nation and paying the price for evangelising by good works of true salvation.

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  112. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    Shaun – fully agree with you – I was referring just to Osteen’s mega Church but it may not have come across like that – my mistake. Cheers.

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  113. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    “socialist obama is now a neocon?”

    The western world is run by Keysnian economics which is inherently socialist.

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  114. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    I was for a while attending a mega-church here in Chch. The amount of money and work that went into supporting and helping the poor was phenomenal.

    http://www.grace.org.nz/

    Don’t judge a book by it’s cover, or by simplistic generalizations, but by it’s actual deeds.

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  115. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    ““There is no doubt Rousey will achieve what she claims…that she will retire undefeated”

    proof at how weak the division is if that happens. even GSP, Silva, Fedor lost at some point..”

    Point taken Dime but Rousey is 26 now and probably retire around 30. Maybe a dozen fights left at most.

    And there are more women coming through the ranks all the time.

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  116. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    No.

    Fools and their money…..

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  117. wikiriwhis business (3,998 comments) says:

    “But this is no NWO Conspiracy …”

    So Stephie Boy

    When Joe Biden, the Vice President of the United States of America, supposed wealthiest nation in the world (pfff) publicly announced the New World Order seen on You Tube, that was in fact a mass hallucination from hundreds of camera operators and elite politicians who never stood up in the media to deny Bidens announcement.

    I see.

    Actually Stephie Boy, I absolutely don’t see that at all.

    The reason so many Jews got caught up in Germany – even when all citizens fire arms had been taken by the state and IBM cards were used to identify race and religion – is because they ignored the warnings then. Now history is repeating.

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  118. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “….I was for a while attending a mega-church here in Chch. The amount of money and work that went into supporting and helping the poor was phenomenal….”

    I’d agree with that but some of these Churces are really lite on Scripture – picking out all the ‘nice friendly stuff’.

    In the 70’s as a kid I used to attend on rare occasions a smaller ‘Biblical’ Church in CH-CH – I can’t remeber what they were called but they were very supportive of ‘family’ and how to keep children and teenagers on the straight and narrow and away from drugs and alcohol. All was based on solid Biblical themes that they used at the start of ‘family evenings’ then they showed documentries on the lifes of drug addicts ect. All the people there were very supportive and friendly of each others families.

    From memory it was in an old picture theatre -or next to one- opposite the old CH-Ch council offices down High st or Tuam st – anyway one of those streets that ran the same way. Looking back I’m glad I went as when I left school drugs were available to almost anyone. And at that age when your workmates, team mates ect are useing them….well….

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  119. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “Fools and their money…..”

    Well if your having problems with your money see a budget adviser. :)

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  120. kowtow (8,473 comments) says:

    Wealthy tax payers getting fed up carrying the indigent.

    This is an interesting piece about northern Italy and secessionists.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465108/How-a-vote-in-Venice-could-change-the-face-of-Italy

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  121. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “From memory it was in an old picture theatre -or next to one- opposite the old CH-Ch council offices down High st or Tuam st”

    A local Assemblies of God Church if I remember rightly.

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  122. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    You really don’t get it do you

    The Link to the trend calculator at RSS
    http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html
    On the left is a box marked channel.
    The default is TLT the lowest atmospheric resolution The data crunching gives.
    Note the atmospheric area sampled goes from 0 to 10.000km.
    This is showing a warming at 1.24k decade.
    As you click down the channels note how the trend declines the higher up you go.
    At TTS the trend is almost 0
    From there as you go higher the trend becomes negative showing cooling.
    C14 shows A trend of – 0.761k a decade
    This shows that the energy radiated into space is declining .

    If the imput is constant (the sun) and the output is falling (energy the earth radiates back into space) the retained energy is increasing. Hence the globe is warming

    Looking at only one of a number of temperature series and going with what you think proves your point aint science its a deliberate cherry pick.
    The different temperature series methods have different problems and without understanding these you chose the ones that supports your anti science.

    You are the one calling others conspirowhacks you know the conspiracy signs yet you still ignore your own wingnuttery .

    That is cognitive dissonance in reality :lol: love to Know how you do that. it must hurt.

    And shawn baby .
    The daily mail in a science debate :lol:
    one sentence in a 2000+ page report :lol:
    same goes for you wingnut. The game you were trying is playing personalities wich might mean something in politics it makes no different to the sciencetific method. one fuck up in the volumes of the ipcc reports discredits the one fuck envolved not the entire contents of such a huge missive. it is again classic wingnuttry..

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  123. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    $600K/week for a load of crap about skyfairies & burning bushes.

    Somehow I think I wandered onto the wrong career path. :)

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  124. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “Somehow I think I wandered onto the wrong career path.”

    The wrong life path, yes. Your path leads nowhere good.

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  125. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    V2 @ 1.03pm

    You don’t think that there was a modicum of bias given that the article was written by a selected Green’s candidate for the coming election?

    Just asking.

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  126. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Griffith, you have lost the debate. Move on. Stop embarrassing yourself. :)

    I note you fail to deal with the scientists own admissions to dishoensty. Wingnut much?

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  127. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Wealthy tax payers getting fed up carrying the indigent.

    Or Venetians long for the old days.

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  128. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    conspirowhacky
    ShawnLH

    :lol:
    One sentence out of the thousands involved yet when I conclusively prove your source is not only wrong but repeatedly wrong and has no scientific creditability you claim you win

    That my friend has a new name

    Pigeon chess!

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pigeon_chess

    Critical thinking skills and your stupid wingnut conspirowhack

    You lose

    You have two choices fuck up about agw because you are in wingnut denial about agw and demonstrable wrong or face me constantly taunting you for being a whack job. As reid says this will hurt your tummy.

    Both of these choices mean I win

    please keep on Shawn I can play pulling the wings of wingnuts for years.

    And going all luke warm rednut
    Thats the default for you nutters when you lose to try to regain some sort of dignity and self-respect.
    If that were so why repeatedly post crap like no warming for twenty Years?
    because you are a wingnut. :lol:

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  129. Manolo (13,772 comments) says:

    To make the delicate stephieboy cry: http://sofrep.com/33599/why-us-govt-hasnt-released-photos-ubl-corpse/

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  130. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    On a closely monitored time critical mission highly trained and psychologically vetted professional soldiers took the time to desecrate a corpse … um … okay….

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  131. stephieboy (3,066 comments) says:

    Manolo, your treatment and management options outlined,

    http://www.epda.eu.com/en/parkinsons/in-depth/pdsymptoms/hallucinations-delusions/treatment-and-management/

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  132. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Griff,

    “You have two choices”

    I have all the choices I decide I have.

    “because you are in wingnut denial about agw”

    I said that AGW was a theory among others. I never said it was true or false. Absolutes have nothing to do with real science.

    And you have still failed to respond with any rational statement on the fact that AGW scientists have been caught lying. Attacking the source is not an argument. Two of those sources were from the pro AGW left wing Guardian.

    The only wings your pulling are your own. People who ignore any contrary evidence other than that which supports their presumed final conclusion are the only wingnuts in this debate.

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  133. HB (321 comments) says:

    So if the plane I was sitting on was hijacked I think I would try and phone/text someone for help? But none of the crew or passengers of Flight 370 did this – as far as we know.
    I haven’t seen any comment on this in the articles I have read.

    Just another element of a complex mystery.

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  134. stephieboy (3,066 comments) says:

    And Fox News boss who like Manolo also needs to consider his treatment options,

    http://www.drudgereportarchives.net/Article.php?ID=479321&

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  135. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Any response to the fact that these pro-agw “scientists” have admitted to lying Griff? :)

    Climate scientists withdraw journal claims of rising sea levels:

    “Scientists have been forced to withdraw a study on projected sea level rise due to global warming after finding mistakes that undermined the findings.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/feb/21/sea-level-geoscience-retract-siddall

    IPCC officials admit mistake over melting Himalayan glaciers
    Senior members of the UN’s climate science body admit a claim that Himalayan glaciers could melt away by 2035 was unfounded:

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jan/20/ipcc-himalayan-glaciers-mistake

    And here’s one for Griff,

    Glacier scientist: I knew data hadn’t been verified

    The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html

    He admitted that the claims were made, without verification, to PUT POLITICAL PRESSURE ON WORLD LEADERS.

    Any answer at all to this Griffy boy? :)

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  136. Longknives (4,746 comments) says:

    Apparently the public has “forgiven” this guy for wanking at his desk when he should have been working…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9834114/Brown-Most-people-are-over-it

    Well- according to him anyway..

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  137. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    So if the plane I was sitting on was hijacked I think I would try and phone/text someone for help?

    This bloke reckons they’d be out of range.

    Over land, this is easy, we’ve got cell phone towers over every bit of populated Earth (except most of North Korea), which can be communicated with by a fairly low power radio. But when you’re over the ocean, you have to transmit hundreds of miles to hit the nearest receiver, either a satellite or a ground based antenna.

    http://www.askthepilot.com/malaysia-airlines-flight-370/#comment-142724

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  138. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    The distraction of one mistake in a multi thousand page undertaking proves human frailty.

    AGW scientists have been caught lying……

    If you are going down that route examine your own source at the daily mail.

    The insulation of lying is finally a hit on your conspirowhack. You are maintaining that thousands of scientist are lying and not just climate scientist almost the whole scientific establishment the un the pentagon the insurance industry ect. :lol:

    Put up any other piece of rubbish you can find and watch your source get discredited and you pesudo science rubbished wingnut

    I sence cognitive dissonance in that last strident cry of wingn uttery

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  139. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Griff,

    If that were so why repeatedly post crap like no warming for twenty Years?

    Well, certainly the best part of 20 years.

    You really should try to keep up, Griffy. The alarmist position is no longer to deny the “pause” in the promised warming, it is to scramble to offer an explanation for it; anything which allows them to avoid facing up to the fact that the AGW theory failed spectacularly.

    Climate change: The case of the missing heat.

    Sixteen years into the mysterious ‘global-warming hiatus’, scientists are piecing together an explanation.

    http://www.nature.com/news/climate-change-the-case-of-the-missing-heat-1.14525

    Remember, the once-esteemed periodical Nature is wholly on-board with global warming, yet here it is being forced to admit that the promised warming never happened.

    (Remember also that that 16 year period has continued by at least another year.)

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  140. HB (321 comments) says:

    thanks Cha :)

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  141. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    The distraction of one mistake in a multi thousand page undertaking proves human frailty.

    AGW scientists have been caught lying……

    If you are going down that route examine your own source at the daily mail.

    The insulation of lying is finally a hit on your conspirowhack. You are maintaining that thousands of scientist are lying and not just climate scientist almost the whole scientific establishment the un the pentagon the insurance industry ect. :lol:

    Put up any other piece of rubbish you can find and watch your source get discredited and your pseudo science rubbish wingnut

    Wat the whole pause thing is just wingnuts ignoring naturally variably in cycles in particular the elnino of 1998.
    It has no meaning beside your clinging to the .3 degree extra heat from 1998 elnino to support your no warming from 1998 meme It even points this out in the article you just posted. Your no warming ignores the obvious anomaly of 1998 climate scientists dont as the process and effect is well understood. The forecast for el nino developing is better than fifty percent when it does 1998 will fall to sixth place http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/enso/enso.climate.html http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/environment/global-warming/Forecast-updates-strengthen-El-Nino-fears/articleshow/31863331.cms

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  142. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Fuck me wat you still going on about no warming bullshit.
    Do you now understand what rss tells us? it says the upper atmosphere is cooling..
    Trend calculator give me the start date for no warming and not statistically significant as already explained means use more data points not no trend. No we have already gone down the rss and uah argument so use the surface trends . https://www.skepticalscience.com/trend.php

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  143. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “……$600K/week for a load of crap about skyfairies & burning bushes……”

    $60k/year after complying with a load of crap and regulations about enviromental salvation & burning gorse.

    “…..Somehow I think I wandered onto the wrong career path….”

    yep – you sure did! :cool:

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  144. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Harriet:

    Just wondering if you’ve purchased tickets for the World Cup of Gay Rugby? (I’d never heard of it until yesterday, but apparently it will be held in Sydney in August.)

    A curtain-raiser:

    Teams of bulky men wrestling each other to the ground for a ball, beer-swilling spectators yelling for more and plenty of back-slapping and grunting to go round.

    You could go with Big Bruv :)

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  145. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    “Just wondering if you’ve purchased tickets for the World Cup of Gay Rugby”

    I would, but stopping at half time for a best of show tunes singalong and tributes to Liza Minnelli gets a bit tedious ;)

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  146. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Is Anwar Ibrahim connected to the disappearance of MH 370?.

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  147. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    Nosty#

    “…..Just wondering if you’ve purchased tickets for the World Cup of Gay Rugby (to be held in Sydney in August)?…”

    NO.

    US lingerie football is coming to Brisbane this year.

    “….A curtain-raiser:………Teams of bulky men wrestling each other to the ground for a ball, beer-swilling spectators yelling for more and plenty of back-slapping and grunting to go round………”

    Teams of hot big titted ladies wrestling each other to the ground for a ball, beer-swilling wide-eyed spectators cheering and whistling for more and plenty of perving and cussing to go round.

    “…..You could go with Big Bruv…”

    I don’t care who I go with. I haven’t even given that a thought. I’m just going. :cool:

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  148. jcuk (686 comments) says:

    People without immagination and appreciation of the problem see everything as a socialistic plot. Their blinkered view is quite amusing while rather sad.

    I designed and built myself a 50m2 one bedroom cottage a couple of decades ago and have been happilly living in it since and have no desire to move out. Over the past few years I have gradually double glazed it room by room to compensate for my feeling the cold as I grow older and increasing electricty prices. The size of the house was determined by the 10metre wide section and I have a car park with room for car and trailer beside the house.

    A government with innitiative and not held back by the vested interests of the people who support it could quickly solve the housing problem with factory built ‘pre-fabs’ as the UK government did post WWII … some have lasted till today. Of course the UK had a left wing government then and today we have a national government in NZ … not that I want that to change … but for them to bite the bullet and build houses adequate for the mass of people needing good housing of modern ecconomical design and standards.

    With government encouragement it could well be a PPP venture with private capital rather than a drain of the government funds.

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  149. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “…..I would, but stopping at half time for a best of show tunes singalong and tributes to Liza Minnelli gets a bit tedious….”

    Not likely to happen.

    The media and ‘celebrities’ are simply going to celebrate the gay rugby thing with the sole aim of sending out the ‘gays are masculine’ theme. The narrative will be repeated daily on Aus breakfast tv ect by the usual suspects. Fucken pathetic.

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  150. twofish (94 comments) says:

    Brown – ‘Most people are over it’
    Auckland mayor Len Brown believes he has won back the support of the public and his fellow councillors following last year’s revelations and subsequent furore over an extramarital affair.Auckland mayor believes he has won back the public’s support after extramarital affair furore.

    Don’t fucking attempt such banal “psycho-social engineering” [brain-washing] krap, Len.
    Hold a simple inexpensive unbiased standard poll and we will tell you what we think and if we “are over it”.

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  151. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    16 March 2014

    Zero tolerance on gangs

    “Mauha Huataki Fawcett took part in, or was party to, Mellory Manning’s slaying to earn his gang patch. Members of the Mongrel Mob’s Aotearoa chapter picked up Miss Manning from Christchurch’s red light district on December 18, 2008, as part of a hit over a drug debt. They drove her to the Mob’s pad at Galbraith Ave and – to the soundtrack of loud music – raped her, beat her and stabbed her with various weapons. Once she was dead, they stood around her mutilated body, shouted ‘sieg heil’ and barked like dogs. Mobsters, including Fawcett, dumped her in the nearby Avon River where her semi-naked body was discovered by a kayaker the next day.” – NZ Herald (Kurt Bayer), March 12, 2014.

    Why do our politicians tolerate gangs in New Zealand? What if it were their son or daughter – or a grandchild – whose life was exchanged for a gang patch?

    Gangs are criminal organisations. They make their money from crime: theft and drugs mainly. Overseas studies show that gang crime can account for as much as 80% of all crime. Whatever the statistic, the reality is gang leaders target vulnerable young people to do their dirty work.

    We want to hear your views about gangs. We think our politicians need to get tougher on gangs. There should be a zero tolerance to gangs with gang members monitored 24/7: their every action, transaction, and interaction, prosecuted at every opportunity whenever they break the law.

    Crime is likely to be an election issue, so we are testing the waters on this zero tolerance to gangs as a new policy proposition for supporters, by running it as our new 5PM website poll.

    Do you support a zero tolerance approach to gangs?

    Let us know what you think by taking part in the poll – visit the 5PM website http://www.5pm.org.nz/ and look on the sidebar.

    Comment.
    A recent study that was done in Govt. apparently tells us that when looking at one M.Mob leader in Turangi and another in Auckland with their various women and children and including crime costs, benefit costs, health costs and community costs and other associated costs that we the taxpayer, front up $45 million for these costs over the persons lifetime. Unfortunately the Nats. went soft on the three strikes so these people will roam forever, particularly now they are getting wise and changing the way they do business.

    Please bring back David Garret and get the law toughened even further for these people.

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  152. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    len is toast only thing is who is going to replace him? John banks? :lol: last election len did not win he got the mayoralty by default because no one of any standing stood against him.

    Penny Tarnish for mayor! at least she will not root the help . Even someone as desperate as dime wouldnt go there. well not without the required anesthetic. six jugs minimum.

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  153. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    cha, the pilot’s attendance at court (when the Opposition leader was sent back to prison) just before flying – and his view that the court decision was injustice and his well known support for the former deputy PM provides insight into his state of mind.

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  154. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Griff,

    Wat the whole pause thing is just wingnuts ignoring naturally variably

    Alarmists spent decades lying through their teeth telling us there was virtually no natural variability, and white-washing it from the climate history in order to blame the then recent warming all on CO2. Yet when the warming promised by the AGW theory failed to arrive they reach for natural climate variability as their excuse.

    If natural variability explains the lack of recent warming then it can equally explain the earlier warming; and indeed, it does.

    If you finally accept the reality that there is, after all, significant natural climate variability then you largely concede the sceptics argument.

    Fuck me wat you still going on about no warming bullshit.
    Do you now understand what rss tells us? it says the upper atmosphere is cooling..

    And as I keep explaining to you, such a cooling upper atmopshere contradicts the AGW theory.

    You do insist on arguing against yourself (unwittingly, obviously; and so vociferously.)

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  155. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    I’m astonished that the Mayor of Auckland thinks that rising house prices result in higher rates bills.

    I’m sure rates still go up when the house market is flat, and I am sure that rates per value fall when there is property value inflation that is greater than the level of increase in council spending.

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  156. All_on_Red (1,583 comments) says:

    Wat
    Well said. He is absolutely skewered.

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  157. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Alarmists
    Scientific organizations endorsing the consensus

    The following scientific organizations endorse the consensus position that “most of the global warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities”:

    American Association for the Advancement of Science
    American Astronomical Society
    American Chemical Society
    American Geophysical Union
    American Institute of Physics
    American Meteorological Society
    American Physical Society
    Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
    Australian Bureau of Meteorology and the CSIRO
    British Antarctic Survey
    Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
    Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
    Environmental Protection Agency
    European Federation of Geologists
    European Geosciences Union
    European Physical Society
    Federation of American Scientists
    Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
    Geological Society of America
    Geological Society of Australia
    Geological Society of London
    International Union for Quaternary Research (INQUA)
    International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
    National Center for Atmospheric Research
    National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
    Royal Meteorological Society
    Royal Society of the UK

    The Academies of Science from 19 different countries all endorse the consensus. 13 countries have signed a joint statement endorsing the consensus position:

    Academia Brasiliera de Ciencias (Brazil)
    Royal Society of Canada
    Chinese Academy of Sciences
    Academie des Sciences (France)
    Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
    Indian National Science Academy
    Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)
    Science Council of Japan
    Academia Mexicana de Ciencias (Mexico)
    Russian Academy of Sciences
    Academy of Science of South Africa
    Royal Society (United Kingdom)
    National Academy of Sciences (USA) (12 Mar 2009 news release)

    A letter from 18 scientific organizations to US Congress states:

    “Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver. These conclusions are based on multiple independent lines of evidence, and contrary assertions are inconsistent with an objective assessment of the vast body of peer-reviewed science.”

    The consensus is also endorsed by a Joint statement by the Network of African Science Academies (NASAC), including the following bodies:

    African Academy of Sciences
    Cameroon Academy of Sciences
    Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
    Kenya National Academy of Sciences
    Madagascar’s National Academy of Arts, Letters and Sciences
    Nigerian Academy of Sciences
    l’Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
    Uganda National Academy of Sciences
    Academy of Science of South Africa
    Tanzania Academy of Sciences
    Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences
    Zambia Academy of Sciences
    Sudan Academy of Sciences

    Other Academies of Sciences that endorse the consensus:

    Australian Academy of Science
    Royal Society of New Zealand
    Polish Academy of Sciences

    Alarmist is the science on this matter wat.

    As to cooling upper atmosphere contradicting global warming. I have explained it if you can not get its your stupidity not mine. The upper atmosphere cooling represent less heat escaping into space as it is retained on the surface
    The extra insulation provided by the increasing greenhouse effect near the surface is stopping this heat radiating back to the upper atmosphere and into space. Its the whole premise Of AGW and you tell me its wrong wingnut.Fuck me you are thick are you not WatWat.

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  158. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    World’s first cyber hijack: Was missing Malaysia Airlines flight hacked with mobile phone?

    INTELLIGENCE chiefs fear the missing Malaysian airliner was hijacked by hackers taking over the controls using a mobile phone.

    Last April, German security consultant Hugo Teso, who is also a commercial pilot, unveiled a way to hijack a plane remotely using a phone.

    Addressing the Hack In The Box security summit in Amsterdam, he said he had spent three years dev­eloping a series of malicious codes on a mobile phone app called PlaneSploit that hacked into an aircraft’s security system.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465126/Missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-may-have-been-cyber-hijacked-using-mobile-phone

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  159. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    I’ve noticed that you’re still having trouble selling your message of doom Griff. This may help. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ezc7lu7blq9t6c/IPCC.jpg

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  160. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    Maybe the Pilots hijacked and crashed it V2 cause they had had a gut’s full of wanking passengers playing on their stupid phones? :)

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  161. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    HAS THE SCUM BAG

    WHO TRIED TO BLACK MAIL A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER TO GET

    FREE WINE

    RESIGNED YET

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  162. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    Thank goodness you weren’t a passenger V2 :)

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  163. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    http://irina.eas.gatech.edu/EAS8803_Fall2009/Lec6.pdf try and learn something wat or just go somewhere quite and eat yourself.

    Fuck me wat I dropped out a fifteen and can master this stuff. You must be thick as pigshit. no wonder you are a wingnut in denial. you dont have the brains to understand the very basics of the green house affect and you think you can talk sence on the climate debate :lol:.

    Nasska the ideas came from your side. http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevezwick/2012/05/06/heartlands-unabomber-fiasco-is-par-for-the-course/

    And did I mention that its been climate change from at least 1988 when the International Panel on Climate Change was formed. Look look they changed the name is stupid when they actually havent. it just shows how pathetic the whole debate is when that is wheeled out so often and so easily proven wrong.

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  164. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Never mind BEN. You’ve come to the right place & help is at hand. First you need to go back to the basics. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vgieyiwwmss14dn/How-to-Teach-A-Child-to-Write-His-Name.jpg

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  165. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Too complicated Griff. If it’s wet it’s been raining….if it’s dry it will rain.

    We call it weather around here & that’ll do me. :)

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  166. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    First you need to go back to the basics

    HAS THAT CORRUPT LOW LIFE DISHONEST FRAUDSTER

    LITTLE NATZI WHO THINKS HE CAN PUSH AROUND SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS

    RESIGNED HIS POSITION YET

    YOU KNOW THE LOW LIFE PIECE OF SCUM WHO TAKES
    MONEY OFF RATE PAYERS AND EXPECTS FREE WINE

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  167. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    What is it with the left being unable to accept election results?

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tens-of-thousands-gather-for-march-in-march-protest-20140316-34v1x.html

    Maybe they should try and get a pointless referendum? I guess they were happier when hundreds of people were drowning every few days.

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  168. edhunter (546 comments) says:

    Dirty preachers? Maiden has it nailed.

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dzSEenqc3w&w=420&h=315

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  169. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    Where does

    JOCK The —– ANDERSON

    work now?

    Best thing

    BROWN NOSE did for the country was help get him Fired

    Now where is he?

    I NEED A LAUGH
    need to read some REAL NEW ZEALAND DRIVEL

    Bad idea Dumping C r a p on AUSSIE DIGGERS MATE

    SHOULD HAVE BEEN SACKED FOR THAT
    not sticking up for BROWN NOSE

    GUTLESS COWARDS

    and half of FAT MIDDLE CENTRE RIGHT BLOATED NZ

    NODDED

    where is he now?

    Is he going to go on a SPOKEN word tour of AUS

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  170. OneTrack (3,095 comments) says:

    “What is it with the left being unable to accept election results?”

    They don’t seem to understand how democracy works. Is that why all the notable left governments have always descended into totalitarian nightmares?

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  171. Manolo (13,772 comments) says:

    Could the plane have made it to that shithole, Pakistan?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581488/It-WAS-hijacked-Malaysian-official-says-CONCLUSIVE-jet-carrying-239-hijacked-35-000-ft-individual-group-significant-flying-experience.html

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  172. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Ben, are you down under to work with dot.com?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Dover

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  173. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    No Comment

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  174. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    You might have a few technical problems to overcome Ben. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/e93uer81b9lfeqx/Fat%20404.jpg

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  175. Sofia (857 comments) says:

    Shit – it’s a little like philu … without the punctuation …

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  176. wiseowl (894 comments) says:

    Viking@5.32
    Having had tools and licence plus other stuff taken in broad daylight recently am pretty hot about this.

    Police don’t seem to know what to do.Response was a bit pathetic actually.

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  177. twofish (94 comments) says:

    Standard Winston Peters trickery.
    Won’t tell anyone which parties he will rule in or out as coalition partners pre-election, but sets a condition to any coalition agreement as a bottom line that immediately rules out National.

    But with any fucking luck, Winston will eliminate himself from any coalitions by a form of attrition …

    • Restoration of the Christ Church Cathedral could be a condition of any post-election coalition deal, New Zealand First leader Winston Peters says.

    • The Government has only just launched its partial sale of Genesis Energy, and already Mr Peters is making it clear any government that New Zealand First is involved with will have to buy back those shares.
    Mr Peters told The Nation that New Zealand First would walk away from any potential coalition partner who did not agree.

    Keep working at it, Winston. You have my full support

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  178. wiseowl (894 comments) says:

    Well toothfish I bet you voted for MMP.

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  179. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Some years ago President Clinton was hosting a state dinner when, at the last minute, his regular cook fell ill, and they had to get a replacement on short notice. The fellow arrived and turned out to be a very grubby-looking man named Jon.

    The President voiced his concerns to his Chief of Staff but was told that this was the best they could do on such short notice.

    Just before the meal, the President noticed the cook sticking his finger in the soup to taste it and again complained to the Chief Of Staff, but he was told that this man was supposed to be a very good chef.

    The meal went okay, but the President was sure that the soup tasted a bit funny.

    By the time dessert came, he was starting to have stomach cramps and nausea. It was getting worse and worse until finally the President had to excuse himself from the dinner to look for the bathroom. Passing through the kitchen, he caught sight of the cook, Jon, scratching his bum, which made him feel even worse.

    By now, the President was desperately ill with violent cramps and was so disorientated that he couldn’t remember which door led to the bathroom. He tried every door in the hallway and was on the verge of passing out from the pain when he finally found a door that opened.

    As he unzipped his trousers and ran in, he realised to his horror that he had stumbled into Monica Lewinsky’s office with his trousers around his knees. The President fell to the floor in pain and as he was just about to pass out, Monica bent over him to listen for a heartbeat and heard the President whisper in a barely audible voice “Sack my cook”.

    And, that is how the whole misunderstanding occurred.

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  180. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Q: Do you know how to kill a hundred flies at once?

    A: Smash an ozzie in the face with a frying pan.

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  181. Sofia (857 comments) says:

    We are writing to inform you of our intention to enforce these judgments by sale of the rating unit.  This action is in accordance with Section 67(1) of the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002.

    Since the advice of Joanne Lanigan, Credit Control Rates Team Leader, Auckland Council, to Penny Bright re the sale of her house, seems to refer to the edifice, it will be interesting to see what steps they take to legally protect the contents as well as maintain access to them.

    Deadline – tomorrow.

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  182. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Fred’s on his way.

    https://www.facebook.com/NatePhelps/posts/10151924300961765

    https://twitter.com/n8phelps

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  183. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    A man is riding the bus when at a stop, the most beautiful woman he has ever seen gets on. The only problem is that she is a nun. He decides to approach her anyway. “Sister, you are the most beautiful woman I’ve ever seen and I must have sex with you.” he says.

    “I’m sorry but I’ve given my body to God” she replies and then leaves.

    Suddenly the bus driver turns around to the guy and says “I know a way you can get her in the sack.” The bus driver tells the guy about how the nun goes to the cemetery every night at 9 to pray, and if he dresses up and convinces her he’s God, she might have sex with him.

    That night at 9, the man is in the cemetery hiding behind a gravestone. When the nun approaches in the darkness he jumps out and says “Sister, I am God and I command you to have sex with me.” She replies “Well I mustn’t deny God. However I want to remain a virgin so I will only take it up the ass.”

    The guy figures this isn’t a problem and proceeds to have the best sex ever.
    After it is over he whips off his outfit and says “Surprise, I’m the guy on the bus”

    With that the nun turns around and says
    “Surprise, I’m the bus driver.”

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  184. wreck1080 (3,917 comments) says:

    len brown says people are over it and want him there .

    Further illustrates what a slimy little creep he is.

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  185. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    http://weknowmemes.com/2014/03/knock-knock-whos-there-crimea/

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  186. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Brown-remains-confident-as-Mayor/tabid/423/articleID/336094/Default.aspx

    Unfortunately for Mayor Len Brown, there are currently FIVE complaints filed with Auckland Central Police, FOUR of which I am responsible.

    1. Alleged ‘money-laundering’ by Mayor Len Brown, for not disclosing free hotel rooms and upgrades, particularly from Sky City.

    2. Alleged ‘contravention of statute’ by former Auckland Council CEO Doug McKay, for not following the process outlined in the Auckland Council ‘Code of Conduct’ (section 8 ‘Compliance’) for an investigation into the ‘misconduct’ of Mayor Len Brown.

    http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/SiteCollectionDocuments/aboutcouncil/governingbody/codeofconductelectedmembers.pdf

    8.5. Conduct Review Independent Panel

    The governing body shall constitute a Conduct Review Independent Panel.

    The members of the Panel will be selected from a list of persons with appropriate skills and knowledge, to be recommended by the Chief Executive.

    The Independent Panel is not a Committee of the governing body and its sole function is to investigate those matters referred to it and to make recommendations on those matters to the governing body/local board.

    Up to three members on the list will be deemed to be ‘convenors’ who will be the Council’s primary contact in relation to convening a panel when required.

    ‘Convening’ a panel includes chairing that panel. A convenor may appoint other convenors to a panel.

    3. Together with fellow community ‘Public Watchdog’, Lisa Prager, filing a complaint for alleged ‘bribery and corruption’ by Mayor Len Brown.

    4. Assault complaint against 2 Auckland Council Officers who tried to physically remove me from the Auckland Council CEO Review Committee meeting on 20 February 2014, after Chair Councillor Chris Fletcher (unlawfully) denied me speaking rights in order to expose that new CEO Stephen Town was a member of the unelected private (invitation -only) lobby group – the Committee for Auckland (which he denied).

    http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz/membership/member-organisations

    So – as a New Zealand anti-corruption ‘whistleblower’ – I have been censored, assaulted and now Auckland Council have threatened to sell my house to enforce (disputed) rates payments.

    (I refuse to pay rates, because the Council are not acting LAWFULLY and telling ratepayers exactly where our monies are being spent on thousands of private sector consultants and contractors. See for yourself – Public Records Act 2005, s 17.)

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0040/latest/DLM345729.html

    17. Requirement to create and maintain records

    (1)Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.
    ______________________________________________

    This is WAR.

    (All happening in Auckland, the biggest city in New Zealand, ‘perceived’ to be ‘the ‘least corrupt country in the world’).

    http://www.transparency.org/cpi2013/results

    Pity about the REALITY! )

    You may wish to pass on views directly to Mayor Len Brown?

    len.brown@aucklandcouncil.govt.nz

    ‘WHEN INJUSTICE BECOMES LAW -RESISTANCE BECOMES DUTY!’

    Here is an ACTION PLAN for a domestic legislative framework which would help ensure genuine transparency and accountability at local and central government level, and within our judiciary:

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

    Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz

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  187. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    How does a Muslim practice safe sex? He marks the goats that kick

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  188. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    The US won’t accept that Russia has any legitimate spheres of influence, while Washington’s span the globe. Last week, US Secretary of State John Kerry, who used to be a sensible fellow before becoming corrupted by power, blasted Russia: “you just don’t invade a country under a phony pretext!”

    I guess Kerry has never heard of the US invasions of the Dominican Republic, Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Haiti, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and Libya. I guess he can’t remember Vietnam and the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

    http://www.darkmoon.me/2014/vlad-the-bad-outwits-the-west-by-eric-margolis/

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  189. lilman (959 comments) says:

    The sky. Is falling boys,Y2K wasn’t a great success ,birdflu. Pathetic.

    Christ you warming tossers must be fun to live with.

    Get a life or a paper run ASAP.

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  190. Nostalgia-NZ (5,204 comments) says:

    I never knew griff was a bus driver.

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  191. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    lilman:

    Get a life or a paper run ASAP.

    You do realise that this phrase may have *cough* unintended consequences on a Kiwiblog thread, right? :)

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  192. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    quiet! they’ll hear you

    Anyhoo, India’s decided that more info would be good.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/indian-search-missing-malaysian-plane-hold

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  193. Rowan (2,352 comments) says:

    Although I disagree with it on principal but maybe in extreme cases of offending there is a case for the death penalty, how about this low life piece of scum child killer who has been given 20 years for abduction, sodomy and murder of a 13 year old boy over in Queensland. There are some cases in NZ that a case could be made for it such as a candidiate like Jules Mikus, who has sexual offences dating back years as well as the schoolgirl murder, there is no hope at all of rehibilitation in cases like these.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/14/daniel-morcombe-killer-sentenced-life

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  194. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    How is corrupt corporate cronyism, when it directly involves Ministers of the Crown (including the Minister of Justice Judith Collins and the Prime Minister John Key) – not ‘Nanny State’ on steroids?

    Remember the deals over dinner Prime Minister John Key did with Sky City?

    http://www.oag.govt.nz/2013/skycity

    November to December 2009

    3.15
    On 4 November 2009, the Prime Minister and his Chief of Staff attended a dinner in Auckland with SkyCity Board members and executives. SkyCity told us that it had prepared a presentation for the dinner on convention centre options it was considering at that time and, at the dinner, discussed its plans for extending its existing facility. This was its preferred option at that time, although its second option was a bigger investment in a new convention centre. Its third option was to do both.

    3.16
    The Prime Minister told us that, at the dinner, he suggested that SkyCity think more broadly than simply expanding its existing conference facilities – in short, to “think outside the box” and come up with a larger world-class stand-alone centre. SkyCity has confirmed the same understanding of the meeting.
    ______________________________________________________________________________________________________

    How do ex-Wall Street bank$ters like John Key ‘transmogrify’ from their private sector ways, to become ethical public servants, serving the public and the public interest?

    Oh – that’s right – they don’t……………

    That’s why they’re NOT FIT FOR DUTY (in my considered opinion – as an ‘anti-corruption’ campaigner.

    Penny Bright

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

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  195. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Rowan:

    You may not be aware of the full background to Brett Cowan (who, of course, who has been found guilty of murdering Daniel Morcombe).

    As for Jules Mikus, I sat directly behind him in the public gallery at his sentencing hearing. He was flanked by two security personnel and, where he sat in the accused box, he was surrounded by glass-panel walls – probably for his own protection. I’ll never forget that day. The sense of evil that poured out of that man was unforgettable.

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  196. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    FYI Kiwibloggers – I’ve removed a number of links because it wasn’t posting :(

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Brown-remains-confident-as-Mayor/tabid/423/articleID/336094/Default.aspx

    Unfortunately for Mayor Len Brown, there are currently FIVE complaints filed with Auckland Central Police, FOUR of which I am responsible.

    1. Alleged ‘money-laundering’ by Mayor Len Brown, for not disclosing free hotel rooms and upgrades, particularly from Sky City.

    2. Alleged ‘contravention of statute’ by former Auckland Council CEO Doug McKay, for not following the process outlined in the Auckland Council ‘Code of Conduct’ (section 8 ‘Compliance’) for an investigation into the ‘misconduct’ of Mayor Len Brown.

    “8.5. Conduct Review Independent Panel

    The governing body shall constitute a Conduct Review Independent Panel.

    The members of the Panel will be selected from a list of persons with appropriate skills and knowledge, to be recommended by the Chief Executive.

    The Independent Panel is not a Committee of the governing body and its sole function is to investigate those matters referred to it and to make recommendations on those matters to the governing body/local board.

    Up to three members on the list will be deemed to be ‘convenors’ who will be the Council’s primary contact in relation to convening a panel when required.

    ‘Convening’ a panel includes chairing that panel. A convenor may appoint other convenors to a panel.”

    3. Together with fellow community ‘Public Watchdog’, Lisa Prager, filing a complaint for alleged ‘bribery and corruption’ by Mayor Len Brown.

    4. Assault complaint against 2 Auckland Council Officers who tried to physically remove me from the Auckland Council CEO Review Committee meeting on 20 February 2014, after Chair Councillor Chris Fletcher (unlawfully) denied me speaking rights in order to expose that new CEO Stephen Town was a member of the unelected private (invitation -only) lobby group – the Committee for Auckland (which he denied).

    http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz/membership/member-organisations

    So – as a New Zealand anti-corruption ‘whistleblower’ – I have been censored, assaulted and now Auckland Council have threatened to sell my house to enforce (disputed) rates payments.

    (I refuse to pay rates, because the Council are not acting LAWFULLY and telling ratepayers exactly where our monies are being spent on thousands of private sector consultants and contractors. See for yourself – Public Records Act 2005, s 17.)

    “17. Requirement to create and maintain records

    (1)Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.
    ______________________________________________

    This is WAR.

    (All happening in Auckland, the biggest city in New Zealand, ‘perceived’ to be ‘the ‘least corrupt country in the world’).

    Pity about the REALITY! )

    You may wish to pass on views directly to Mayor Len Brown?

    len.brown@aucklandcouncil.govt.nz

    ‘WHEN INJUSTICE BECOMES LAW -RESISTANCE BECOMES DUTY!’

    Here is an ACTION PLAN for a domestic legislative framework which would help ensure genuine transparency and accountability at local and central government level, and within our judiciary:

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

    Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
    Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference

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  197. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    What about the wine bottle Weasel

    where is he?

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  198. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    How about John Key and John Banks

    how friendly are they in the brotherly sense

    What did they say is it legal to speculate can we even imagine

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  199. OneTrack (3,095 comments) says:

    publicwatchdogger – 9:40pm

    How about just saying exactly what is wrong with the Sky City deal? You could try and not to use childish lefty memes like “bankster” which just discredit any message you are trying to get across.

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  200. stephieboy (3,066 comments) says:

    Reid ,the US did not invade Libya Somalia or the Lebanon etc nor engage in a policy of empire building, conquest or expansion.Nothing parallel to the Russian invasion of Afghanistan and conquest and re-annexation of Chechnya. The Crimea included.!

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