General Debate 2 March 2014

March 2nd, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Colville (2,300 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe latest attempt to rewrite history on oil and gas exploration highlights an on-going, casual relationship with the truth, Environment Minister Amy Adams says.

    That is a really polite way of calling Cun*liffe a lying cu*t!

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  2. stigie (1,334 comments) says:

    Colville, in this case, its ok when Liarbore didnt do it !!~

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  3. Bovver (173 comments) says:

    Is it me or is the acronym for Unite Trade Union ‘UTU’

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  4. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    What is being done about the obese German criminal sloth? He seems to be getting a media reprieve, along with Lecher Len. Come on, these scum can’t be let off the hook!

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  5. flash2846 (289 comments) says:

    Danger! Danger!

    Watching a recording of The Nation 1 March 2014 when both Jamie Whyte and David Cunliffe were interviewed and all I can say is: “NEW ZEALAND, WE HAVE A PROBLEM”. Jamie Whyte would be lucky to score 1-2/10 for his interview with Paddy Gower whereas David Cunliffe would be in the 8-9/10 category. Even taking experience into account this is unacceptable.

    Whyte simply cannot keep his personal opinions second to ACT policy (which he appears to know nothing about) and Cunliffe I think has been reading Kiwiblog for advice. He made a big show of stating that he had taken a huge pay cut when moving into politics; how often has that been posted on Kiwiblog about National MP’s.

    Whyte brought up the three strikes ACT policy and went on to say a three strike burglar would get life in prison; yes ‘life’. Gower softened on him a little but Whyte had absolutely no idea of the policy at all. John Campbell would have had Whyte bent over screaming out “thank you” at every thrust.

    Jamie Whyte will be easy fodder for the media right up till the election and could assist in screwing up our country by alienating right thinking voters. Even Jose Pagani made more sense than Whyte. My girlfriend as it stands is now unlikely to vote a coalition including ACT; it will take a lot more to swing my vote left unless sheer frustration takes over.

    I backed his nomination and I was wrong. Wait for a shift to the left in the polls. Rant over!

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  6. Paulus (2,672 comments) says:

    Yesterday I happened to read part of the Fairfax Rag whilst in a coffee bar – I cancelled my subscription many years ago.

    Am encouraged by the left wing reporter Tracey Watkins going hell for leather against anything that is not left wing.

    She was soundly condemning both the revised ACT Party and the Conservative Party leaders because they could become part of the incoming National Government coalition.

    I have now just joined the ACT Party and will seriously consider my Party vote come the election thanks to her vitriol – well done Tracey.

    Keep up the work and your paper will soon become redundant.

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  7. Keeping Stock (10,443 comments) says:

    What’s the more effective response when you’re worried about child poverty? Do you put your money and energy into feeding hungry kids to make their lives a little bit better? Or do you buy 83,000 plastic spoons then get together 120 volunteers to spend two days sticking the 83,000 plastic spoons into the ground in a “protest sculpture”, thus rendering said plastic spoons unfit for further human use?

    If any Green or Labour MP’s flew to Auckland to take part in this wasteful stunt, we should all be going ballistic!

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/a-wasteful-stunt.html

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  8. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    A thoughtful and thought provoking post by mickysavage on The retirement age debate:

    Labour’s policy is to gradually change the age of retirement to 67 with an allowance made for those aged 65 who can no longer work. There are passionate views in support of this and opposing this.

    Regrettably the financial analysis is quite clear. The current entitlement to superannuation will drain more and more of the state’s resources and Aotearoa will face a financial crisis in 10 years or so due to the baby boomer bubble approaching retirement.

    Labour is trying to show that it is being fiscally responsible by highlighting this as an issue and proposing a realistic solution.

    But it is a difficult line. There is policy that a 65 year old whose body is wrecked through work should be allowed to retire now. But allowing everyone to retire gracefully at the age of 65 years means that there will be jobs for 18 year olds to fill. Allowing older citizens to retire later means that there will be less jobs for our young

    The debate really needs to be about how we share the resources of our society around. We need to make sure that those of us who are older can exit from the workforce with dignity and those of us who are younger can have jobs.

    A commenter points out that Labour’s policy on Super has similarities to ACT’s.

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  9. flipper (4,240 comments) says:

    IGM….

    Let dottie alone… The poor little fellow is suffering from attention depravation.
    If we all ignored him he might pack his tent and depart….except that could not go anywhere at the moment apart from USA.

    You know the procedure – we all know it. This time next year he will still be here since the legal system has replaced (oops, sorry) …. always lost every race to the proverbial snail. :-)

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  10. Scott Chris (6,177 comments) says:

    Is it me or is the acronym for Unite Trade Union ‘UTU’

    Heh, or The Unite Trade Union – TUTU

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  11. itstricky (1,904 comments) says:

    What’s the more effective response when you’re worried about child poverty?

    From the perspective of using plastic spoons, of all things, yes it is completely wasteful. You’d think they could come up with a better idea.

    But otherwise what is $10k going to do? Feed a few kids and then your cause disappears from the map altogether? You seem to be suggesting that no advertisting nor promoting of the cause should take place it all. They should all go off and grow veges to feed the kids and just “shut up” so that no one else has to hear about it. That argument is about dumb-founded as the “Greens should drive horse ‘n’ cart around town” one.

    Ignoring the fact that it’s plastic spoons – if they build an art piece and it costs $10k then they’ve got publicity. You’re hooked, so are others. Mission: get publicity. Obtained. Doesn’t matter whether it’s a bunch of signs, ads in the paper or an “art work”.

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  12. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    Have McCarten and Cunliffe had some road to Damascus moment with their coming together or is that a cunning trojan horse paln for utu?

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  13. Sofia (869 comments) says:

    Matt McCarten –
    The political world was stunned on Wednesday when David Cunliffe announced me as his chief of staff.

    Not stunned – just saw a continuation of Cunliffe’s recent poor judgements

    Key promotes a man for his Cabinet who doubts Neil Armstrong landed on the moon, or another who thinks incest is just dandy. There’s a lurch alright, into nuttiness.

    Step 101: The good old smear by association

    Of course, it isn’t appropriate for me to write a column when I officially nail my colours to the fortunes of one political party.

    Tell that to a few of the Left supporters in TVNZ

    What might actually work for Labour, Matt, might be for the public to see Labour do just a little something as an effective Opposition Party – after all that is what they are presently being paid our taxes to do. Not to navel gaze and change their Leader three times since the last Election and devote all their time now to wondering how they can win the next one.
    Do some fucking Parliamentary work for a change.

    But nothing like that bloody crummy Referendum, which should have been eliminated as politicians breaking “citizens intitiated” rules, but did serve to show how many of us didn’t want partial asset sales, but despite that still saw National as the only sensible option, considering no Labour member had the guts to step up in the interests of party principle and replace Goff earlier.
    Self interest instead of real Party principle interests, and they are still fucking doing it.
    Matt, you have a little way to go before you stun anyone.

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  14. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    Of course, it isn’t appropriate for me to write a column when I officially nail my colours to the fortunes of one political party.

    McCarten has been writing for NZH for ten years. In that time he helped set up the Maori Party and he helped set up the Mana Party and was it’s inaugural president. An official Mana Movement media release applauded his appointment to Cunliffe’s office. Gerard Hehir, his “best friend” and the Unite union president, is the Mana Party secretary.

    McCarten’s colours have been well and truly nailed.

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  15. Nostalgia-NZ (5,283 comments) says:

    flash2846 8.43 didn’t see the interview. I guess we are seeing the practical difference between Whyte and Boscowan. Of more interest to the ‘incest’ revelation and others, some of which are very sensible, is that Whyte is in charge of a party whose position on various issues is different from his own. In a limited way that may not be a bad thing, though at a certain point it edges towards a situation that looks like he may have joined the wrong party, and that he is not practical particularly in when he speaking for himself rather than the party.

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  16. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    Oh look ,the religion of peace are at it again.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570996/At-27-dead-109-injured-gang-knife-wielding-men-attack-train-station-China.html#comments

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  17. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    If Matt McCarten is not going to have any role in shaping Labour strategy (which includes policy), if he is merely there in an internal administrative capacity, then why was he introduced at a press conference?

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  18. Viking2 (11,579 comments) says:

    Low rents are discouraging people from buying their own homes, according to the New Zealand Property Investors Federation (NZPIF).

    NZPIF executive officer Andrew King said the cost of owning an average home was about $138 a week more than the cost of renting a similar property.

    “A lot of people will say they can save that $138 by renting, that’s cash in their hand right now, so most will think that’s a good thing to do,” he said.

    An NZPIF comparison of the costs a landlord, owner-occupier, or tenant would face for the same property, showed there was significant scope for rents to rise, he said.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9776610/Low-rents-deter-home-buyers

    ====================================
    Interesting read and right on the mark from my experience.

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  19. RF (1,454 comments) says:

    Time to remind everyone that a vote for Red Labour and the Communist Party.. AKA the Gweens, is a total backward step for our country

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  20. peterwn (3,314 comments) says:

    I see Matt as a big worry. His task basically is to mobilise left wing non-voters and he will try and do it hook or by crook. Although he is supposed to be in an administrative capacity he will be influencing policy – whatever policy framework is needed to help mobilise these non-voters.

    There are some interesting issues in trying to mobilise left wing non-voters:
    1. Unless care is taken they can be out of reach of normal survey / polling methods and even when reached can be very fickle.
    2. Labour needs to round up two left wing non-voters to equate with a National (or other centre-right) voter who switches to Labour (or left wing party).
    3. A campaign to round up left wing non-voters will also tend to round up those of the opposite persuasion although this would be mitigated by careful targeting.

    So the issue is whether the number of recruited left wing non-voters is sufficient to overcome the unintentional recruiting of non-left wing non voters plus centre left voters who are put off by Labour’s swing to the left. Goodness knows – polling may give some indication of trends but there are two many unpredictavilities.

    Labour and Matt’s appointment are regarded as a joke in some quarters. The joke could very easily back-fire on opponents of left wing parties.

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  21. OneTrack (3,237 comments) says:

    itstricky – “Ignoring the fact that it’s plastic spoons – if they build an art piece and it costs $10k then they’ve got publicity. ”

    But it was plastic spoons. And plastic comes from oil. You know, the evil thing that causes climate change, that is the most important issue faving the human race. Except when you want to make some sort of childish statement that nobody can understand about how we should just give more money to deadbeat “parents” (sic).

    Or has the left quietly admitted that climate change is really a croc, and they are on to the next issue of the day.

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  22. iMP (2,422 comments) says:

    Most significant news of the 21st century:

    Yesterday (NZ time) Israeli politicians demanded control of the Al Aqsa mosque [Al Jazeera 29/2] effectively the Temple Mount precinct. Watch this space.

    Putin in Crimea. Pfff, a sideshow in the carnival of history.

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  23. Liberty (272 comments) says:

    Once again we have a green hypocrite.
    Spending around $550 to get interviewed on a community radio who would have piss all listing to it.
    If Mojo couldn’t see the interviewer why didn’t she use skype.
    Why do a carbon pumping trip from Dunedin. and a rental.
    When she could of combined it with her parliamentary duties ( lol) and taken the train to Masterton.
    Yes a train a means of transport that the Greens want to waste millions on.
    Do the greens use the train. Hell no. Trains are for peasants.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11212333

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  24. wreck1080 (3,972 comments) says:

    what is it with pissy little minor politicians who seem to think the world owe them something.

    We have a new aaron gilmore!!

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11212458

    And, why don’t these people ever learn that the public hate people who think they are better than everyone else and don’t need to pay for stuff. Even were it true, you don’t behave like this.

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  25. flash2846 (289 comments) says:

    @Nostalgia-NZ

    …wrong party… You might be right there, only time will tell.

    It’s just so frustrating knowing this guy could tip over a fantastic government. ACT have been around long enough to know that representatives who front the media should be trained. The ACT party must know the media literally hate them and have made it their mission to portray both ACT and National as something quite different to what they actually are. ACT unfortunately have a history of making it easy for the media to humiliate them so that hasn’t changed.
    On top of this Cunliffe has lifted his game dramatically over the last few days and still enjoys the support of most media.

    I’m off to do some training; relieves the stress

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  26. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    Just watching The Nation. Awesome freudian slip by Cunliffe: “Paula Benefit– uh Paula Bennett” :)

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  27. Scott Chris (6,177 comments) says:

    Serious question here, not having a go at anyone:

    If ACT wants to abolish the RMA, how do they propose we should manage our resources?

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  28. Tauhei Notts (1,749 comments) says:

    Paul Thomas in yesterday’s NZ Herald about Jamie Whyte and others wrote;
    “Once you have accepted the principle that the state should not interfere in the sex/love lives of consenting adults, as it does in Uganda, on what logical or philosophical basis do you extend that principle to relationships involving siblings.”
    That is a thought provoking piece.

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  29. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    adze – or it may have been deliberate, Cunliffe seemed he could have had the “freudian slip” comment on the tip of his tongue ready to go.

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  30. wiseowl (938 comments) says:

    Do you ever go out PG.
    Or is it always raining in Dunedin?

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  31. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    28 dead, 110 injured at major Chinese train station. Mob of knife-wielding crims. :(

    http://www.foxcrawl.com/2014/03/01/china-train-station-knife-attack-kunming/

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  32. Harriet (5,145 comments) says:

    “……….Imagine that you were born of an average middle-class family, attended public school, did a little college and then dropped out, got an available office job and got married and had two children. An average life, not without its own sort of heroism, but nothing exceptional.

    Then you came out, and decided that you “identified” as a King. You insist that people address you as Your Grace, bow before you, don’t speak unless at your command and accept your pronouncements as absolute law. In short, demand that everyone else share in your fantasy, fetish or delusion.

    How is this different than the modern gender-questioners?…..”

    Fucken immature alright. :cool:

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  33. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    Do you ever do as you choose and not care what anyone else thinks wise owl? It’s sunny here today and I plan to knock off firewood and a couple of lambs. And I’ll do whatever else I choose to do. What about you?

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  34. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    Matt McCarten on the dangers of a lurch right.

    But I concede we are in parallel universes. Key promotes a man for his Cabinet who doubts Neil Armstrong landed on the moon, or another who thinks incest is just dandy. There’s a lurch alright, into nuttiness.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11212265

    That’s ironic, but Labour are sure to push that to combat the left lurch threat of Greens and Mana.

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  35. wat dabney (3,814 comments) says:

    Compare and contrast.

    kowtow. 1.3.14:

    Rephrase that to, cue nasska ,who takes any and every opportunity to get in his bigot and bile,”Godnutters” indeed.
    He’s one of the most vocal here complaining about religion derailing GD and yet he constantly brings his prejudice to GD and opens with anti religious sentiments which are invariably gratuitous and un necessary.

    kowtow. One day later:

    Oh look ,the religion of peace are at it again…

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  36. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    @PG:

    Given that Matt McCarten was involved with a political party that wants a top tax rate of 100%, I don’t think he’s on safe ground to rant about nuttiness.

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  37. gump (1,664 comments) says:

    @kowtow

    “Oh look ,the religion of peace are at it again.”

    ————————-

    Did you even read the article that you linked? The article quite clearly says:

    “Why the attackers struck or whether they were a member of a dissident group was not immediately known.”

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  38. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    adze – I agree on that.

    Scott-Chris – that’s another policy ACT need to get their act together if they are going to go public about changing. All I can find on their website:

    • Undertake further reform of the Resource Management Act with the aim of making it easier for property owners to use and develop their land.

    That means very little. Meanwhile, who the hell is writing stuff for ACT?

    Right Thinking – Conference Promotion
    ACT PARTY / NEWSLETTER
    Bigger than Bieber! Bigger than Bruce! Bigger than Len Browns biggest … blunder! Don’t miss the thriller at the Villa!

    If you care, be there. If you’re near, listen here. Whatever it takes, however you travel – in a Lear jet, on a unicycle, in a cabbage boat or even in one of Alan’s famous amphibious cars – make sure you arrive bright-eyed and bushy-tailed at the Villa Maria on Montgomerie Road at 9.00 am. Be there with hope in your heart and your hearing aids on high.

    Whyte being forced to talk about incest is more appealing than that.

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  39. Jack5 (5,167 comments) says:

    Ahoy libertarians and sane Rightists!

    What economic lessons can we take from the price of Hayek books, second hand and new! They are through the roof. Now if the Righties were entrepreneurs surely someone would undercut these prices with new editions!

    On TradeMe for sale is a copy of Hayek’s The Counter-Revolution of Science. The buy-now price is $300.

    Someone in Dunedin has a $200 buy now on The Road to Serfdom.

    A new hard-cover copy of Steve Fleetwood’s Hayek’s Political Economy can be bought on TradeMe from a retailer for (buy now and minimum bid) of $299.95.

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  40. Nostalgia-NZ (5,283 comments) says:

    flash2846. What’s happened to confident leaders who know their party policy and are able to think on their feet without ‘training.’ For an example of a leader who came in cold, it would be hard to find many blunders made by JK early his tenure or now. If Whyte were to need training, surely it would be to align himself with ACT policy and stick to the point. Although I’ve watched little of him being interviewed surely he wouldn’t need ‘training’ to be dismissive of attempts to review what he’s written in the past and instead get back to the subject of ACT policy, it’s foot in the door stuff – he answers and the conversation extends? Where was the party preparation to this point, some of it appears seat of the pants stuff and somebody looking at it acutely, reading some blogs etc might consider there was a ‘guiding hand’ at work from where encouragement and advice is being given.

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  41. Harriet (5,145 comments) says:

    “……What economic lessons can we take from the price of Hayek books….”

    Tha works of Karl Marx cost 100’s of thousands of dollars – well that is what it costs to have our teachers and lecturers install them into school children.

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  42. Fletch (6,502 comments) says:

    Did you even read the article that you linked? The article quite clearly says:

    “Why the attackers struck or whether they were a member of a dissident group was not immediately known.”

    gump, what’s the bet they’ll be Muslims?
    Like that mysterious jeep crash in China last year in Tiananmen square that turned out to be a Muslim terrorist attack.

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  43. itstricky (1,904 comments) says:

    One Track, you’ll notice my first sentence was:

    From the perspective of using plastic spoons, of all things, yes it is completely wasteful.

    And getting from that initial statement from KS all the way to climate change denying. Well, that’s a feat in itself. Certainly a “One Track Mind”

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  44. holysheet (434 comments) says:

    All this talk about mad matt joining cuntliffe will end up in strife.

    On the news last night a story about all the new imigrants not voting in the last election caught my eye. Over 40% of them didn’t vote for various reasons. Most of them seemed to be from asia. Thats fine by me. The question I asked is who would they vote for if they had of voted.There is a big push in their community of interest to get them out voting at the next election. I can assume that most, being hard working, family orientated, self employed, they would not vote for the gweens, liabore, or winston first . This is part of the non voting 1,000,000 mad matt is chasing. Good luck with that Mad Matt

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  45. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Oh look ,the religion of peace are at it again.

    and yet he constantly brings his prejudice to GD and opens with anti religious sentiments which are invariably gratuitous and un necessary.

    Hypocrisy much, kowtow?

    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess: Mat 23:25

    But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. Acts 23:6

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  46. RF (1,454 comments) says:

    Liberty. 10.09am. Re the Luddite Mathers. Don’t forget all the hanger ons and minders that go with her. It appears the party does not trust her to front the media alone outside the comforts of parliament. A complete waste of space.

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  47. OneTrack (3,237 comments) says:

    itstricky – “Well, that’s a feat in itself. ”

    I was pretty proud of it. Maybe an argument as to why I was wrong instead of just a standard meaningless lefty personal attack…..?

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  48. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    That Mathers and her trip has been singled out is unfortunate – there’s a lot of very questionable MP travel and at least she was addressing constituents.

    This was an NZ Herald story and they asked Jordan Williams for comment on the hop, and he acknowledges he didn’t deal with it very well. It impacts on the credibility of the Taxpayers’ Union with increased claims it is a partisan weapon.

    Taxpayer Union versus Mojo Mathers

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  49. wikiriwhis business (4,135 comments) says:

    Deadly fever fears for NZ

    An outbreak of dengue fever that has killed three people and swamped hospitals in Fiji may be headed for New Zealand, experts warn.

    For the first time all four known serotypes of the virus are active in the region, threatening the severe and potentially deadly dengue haemorrhagic fever.

    In New Zealand the latest figures (December 2013) show a 41 per cent jump in the monthly reported cases of dengue, most of them in Auckland.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/9779846/Deadly-fever-fears-for-NZ

    This mosquitoe breed Dengue Fever has been created by Bill Gates and was probably started in Africa where his original intention was to de populize. For anyone interested in the evidence you can simply you tube Bill Gates innoculations.

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  50. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    UT

    nasska posted a story about euthanasia.In his link the only commentary warning against was from some Medical council,nothing to do with ‘Godwhackers’ as he so inelegantly puts it. He also said cue same. None came!

    Today the news carries a story about yet another outrage in a transport hub.

    Muslim apologists constantly refer to Islam as the religion of peace.Where is the evidence of peace? all we see is murder and slaughter ,where ever they are.

    Followed rapidly by their apologists.

    Violence is a tool of Islam.It is not a religion of peace.An ugly truth that few are prepared to express.

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  51. Harriet (5,145 comments) says:

    “…..For the first time all four known serotypes of the virus are active in the region[Fiji], threatening the severe and potentially deadly dengue haemorrhagic fever….”

    So Fiji is in your region and QLD isn’t Wiri?

    Looks like nothing more than a press beat-up.

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  52. wikiriwhis business (4,135 comments) says:

    Working mum’s guilt ‘overwhelms’

    In August 2012, I left my job to go on maternity leave.

    I was 35 weeks pregnant and had planned to work until 38 weeks, but found the pressure of my high-stress job had not slowed down and I was exhausted.

    I spent five blissful weeks nesting, visiting friends, and counting down the days until my baby arrived.

    He was two weeks late in the end but after a long wait and a drawn out, scary labour and birth, my little guy was finally here.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/working-for-your-family/9776116/Working-mums-guilt-overwhelms

    Hubby’s raise made us $150/wk poorer

    My husband received a pay rise at the beginning of this year. We should be jumping for joy as this is something that is hard to come by, but instead of jumping for joy, I was rejigging budgets and making cuts to spending. With this pay increase we moved over the threshold for the daycare subsidy, and the before and after school programme subsidies, and were instantly $150 a week poorer. There goes the payrise and some.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/working-for-your-family/9776052/Hubbys-raise-made-us-150-wk-poorer

    These are a couple of stories from your middle class that shows your Kiwi Blog mantra of get a job just doesn’t stack up

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  53. wikiriwhis business (4,135 comments) says:

    “Looks like nothing more than a press beat-up.”

    What’s Qslnd got to do with it but time will tell.

    But much awesum love for you Harriet you bomb

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  54. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    kowtow,

    Evidence of peace can be found in the Islamic references to mercy. You see what you prejudice directs you to see.

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  55. wat dabney (3,814 comments) says:

    kowtow,

    Muslim apologists constantly refer to Islam as the religion of peace.Where is the evidence of peace? all we see is murder and slaughter ,where ever they are.

    The point is that Christianity is no more a religion of peace than Islam, as hundreds of years of history prove: the same murder and slaughter.

    You are like a Nazi apologist pointing the finger at Bolsheviks.

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  56. Harriet (5,145 comments) says:

    “….The point is that Christianity is no more a religion of peace than Islam, as hundreds of years of history prove: the same murder and slaughter….”

    Maori are no more a culture of peace either then……along with Tongans…..Samoans……

    Muslims currently kill people all around the globe to gain political power.

    Christians, Maoris, Samoans, Tongans ect don’t.

    Stop being an idiot Watty.

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  57. Than (500 comments) says:

    Labour’s election strategy is to target people who previously didn’t vote. But the mathematical reality is that some votes are more equal than others.

    Consider a situation with 50 Blue party voters and 50 Red party voters, so 50% support for each party. If Red party manages to persuade a non-voter to vote for them that makes it 50 Blue, 51 Red. The total number of votes cast has increased, so Red doesn’t increase to 51% of the total, they increase to 50.25%. Adding an extra voter has less effect on the percentages than changing the mind of a current voter. And if a current voter changes their mind that is not just +1% for their new party, it is also -1% for their old party. Swing-votes have a far greater influence on the party vote percentages than new voters do.

    A rough rule of thumb would be Labour’s radical policies will need to inspire three non-voters for every swing-voter they lose in the center. Good luck with that.

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  58. Manolo (14,084 comments) says:

    Islamic references to mercy are as bogus as Hitler and Goebbels claiming to love the Jews.

    The ugly truth of the matter is the vile religion of peace never left the 7th century; and is as backward-looking as you can imagine. It is a vile cult that ought to be despised by any intelligent person.

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  59. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    Here slaughtering boys while they slept ,they let the girls go. Lots of mercy that my prejudice blinds me to.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/02/nigeria-children-killed-attack-school-2014225144133150291.html

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  60. Harriet (5,145 comments) says:

    “….Looks like nothing more than a press beat-up……..What’s Qslnd got to do with it but time will tell….”

    QLD has cases of home grown Dengue Fever every year. Since time immortal. The NT too.

    NZ has always been susceptable to that coming into NZ from QLD. Health officals have always known that.

    Fiji is nothing new. Like I said ‘a press beat-up’.

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  61. Harriet (5,145 comments) says:

    Well said Than.

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  62. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    @ Pete George and your thoughtful piece by Mickey Savage: so Labour is going to sigh get real about super. When is it going to get real about the effect on NZ’rs of immigration (ref Savings Working Group, Treasury, Australian Productivity Commision)?

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  63. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    wart dumney

    We can all cite history for examples of murder and slaughter. The Koran has examples of members of Jewish tribes in Arabia where all the men have their throats slit and the women taken as sex slaves.All in the name of Allah and His merciful prophet.This is the literal word of God and todays followers of the religion of peace and mercy will cite such examples to justify their violence today.

    Can we say the same for the New Testament?

    The issue is what’s happening today,now and why.

    Keep apologising .The caliphate may not be as far off as you think.

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  64. UglyTruth (4,552 comments) says:

    Here slaughtering boys while they slept ,they let the girls go. Lots of mercy that my prejudice blinds me to.

    Blaming Islam for the actions of a group of murderous statists, kowtow?
    Statists have a history of scapegoating Islam for their acts of terrorism.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-boston-bombings-and-the-cia-connection-graham-fuller-and-uncle-ruslan-tsarnaev/5335416

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  65. Manolo (14,084 comments) says:

    Most religions have a bloody past, but it is still the present for the abhorrent religion of peace, the murderous Islam.

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  66. wat dabney (3,814 comments) says:

    Harriet,

    Muslims currently kill people all around the globe…

    The weasel word, of course, is “currently.”

    We’re supposed to ignore centuries of Christian atrocities simply because it has now had its teeth pulled?

    I’ve noticed that Nazism and Bolshevism are not killing people these days. Must we also conclude that they are peaceful doctrines? Christianity, Nazism, Bolshevism. All vindicated by your skilfull argument.

    Because the point is whether Christianity is inherently peaceful.

    History shows us it is not. Indeed, the Bible – with its genocidal racial wars and savage cruelty – teaches us it is not.

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  67. RF (1,454 comments) says:

    I am now waiting for the Luddites to play the disability card for Mathers. They had a dry run with the race card a few weeks ago when the dancing Trollop took umbridge concerning her expensive clothing being commented on.

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  68. lolitasbrother (751 comments) says:

    Earthquake / Insurance

    David Cunliffe the sloganeer, flash headlines, no substance

    David Cunliffe said he wants to establish a Kiwi Insurance Company, which would provide housing Insurance.
    Sounds good but I can’t find any detail.

    1. Which overseas Companies would underwrite Earthquake Insurance in New Zealand
    2. Lets say a Labour Government could encourage 100,000 householders to insure with Kiwi Home Insurance at $1000 a year.
    Thats an income of 100 million dollars a year
    3 Lets say tens of billions of dollars for an Earthquake like Christchurch, [ 50 billion and climbing ]
    4. This means you need about 50 years to save for one big earthquake, and I haven’t even taken in costings of Non Earthquake claims

    It doesn’t work, I don’t think. And this is scary
    If David Cullen’s people could show me how a Kiwi Insurance can operate and will benefit New Zealanders
    I will vote for him, and so will a lot of other people.

    EQC Insurance
    How much does the City pay and how much the Nation.
    The Christchurch earthquake was a National disaster.
    But I never truly saw it acknowledged as a whole of New Zealand responsibility
    The Government say they have committed $15 billion, but this is a 50billion job.
    And some how Christchurch is cordoned off,
    Once again it doesn’t add up, and looking for true forward leadership seems a vacant exercise.
    I think we are in big trouble

    Private Insurance homes
    This can only get more expensive. Some areas of New Zealand are higher risk for Earthquakes.
    But in general I think every one in the Country is going to pay the price in a general way..
    But we have a big gap, Insurance Companies will not insure property they have marked as risky.

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  69. wikiriwhis business (4,135 comments) says:

    “The current entitlement to superannuation will drain more and more of the state’s resources and Aotearoa will face a financial crisis in 10 years or so due to the baby boomer bubble approaching retirement.’

    The main reasons state resources are being drained are purpose political agenda’s and MP troughing till death.

    Reduce govt, MP entitlement’s, infrastructure spending on white elephant roading and we will have a far stable economy.

    At least on the real road to stabilisation.

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  70. gravedodger (1,573 comments) says:

    @Pete George 10 56,
    “It’s sunny here today and I plan to knock off firewood and a couple of lambs.”
    I get the two lambs bit but who the f**k is firewood and does Mrs George ;
    Breathe a sigh of relief,
    Get jealous,
    or hopefully for you never find out?

    I understand you were a Mayoral hopeful in Dunedin!!

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  71. wikiriwhis business (4,135 comments) says:

    Taxman binges $225m on advisors

    The taxman has spent more than $225 million on consultants over the past five years, documents reveal.

    That includes $52m in the past financial year as the department continues with an IT project estimated to cost at least $1 billion.

    A 218-page document contained in a Parliamentary financial review of the department has revealed its total spending on contractors over the past five years is $225m.

    Inland Revenue defended the growing use of contractors, saying it “takes very seriously its responsibility to using taxpayer funds carefully”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9779943/Taxman-binges-225m-on-advisors

    so here is a huge reason we are looking at serious problems in that 10 year projection stated today

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  72. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    A child drowns in the bath in a flash Wellington hotel, and hours later it still hasn’t hit the news.

    I bet if it happened in a private home in south Auckland, everyone would know about it by now.

    It will be interesting to see how the carers of this one are treated … leaving a small child alone in the bath is unacceptable – regardless of your bank balance.

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  73. Harriet (5,145 comments) says:

    “….I’ve noticed that Nazism and Bolshevism are not killing people these days. Must we also conclude that they are peaceful doctrines? Christianity, Nazism, Bolshevism. All vindicated by your skilfull argument…..”

    No of course they can’t be included.

    Those who live without the protection of a military will die, and all the books in the world’s libaries have been written under the protection of a millitary.

    In times past the likes of the Knights Templar Military were the only protection that Christians and others had from the evil hordes.

    Idealogy is not so much why Christians were involved in killing -but rather ‘the times’ is the reason why they were involved in killing – for survival! – Just like right now – the predominantly Christian West fights Islam to protect themselves – and others such as Muslim women and children.

    Yes, some have ‘used’ Christianity to wage wars, but that is not the same as saying ‘Christianity is war mongering’.

    Get some morals Watty.

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  74. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    Judith

    NZ parenting Standards have gone back to worse than

    Stone Age Across the Board

    Actually Cave men looked after their people and kids
    better than

    New Zealander and so do chimpanzees

    Talking to NZers about these issues is like trying to reason
    with a CHIMPANZEE

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  75. wikiriwhis business (4,135 comments) says:

    Low rents deter home buyers

    Low rents are discouraging people from buying their own homes, according to the New Zealand Property Investors Federation (NZPIF).

    NZPIF executive officer Andrew King said the cost of owning an average home was about $138 a week more than the cost of renting a similar property.

    “A lot of people will say they can save that $138 by renting, that’s cash in their hand right now, so most will think that’s a good thing to do,” he said.

    An NZPIF comparison of the costs a landlord, owner-occupier, or tenant would face for the same property, showed there was significant scope for rents to rise, he said.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9776610/Low-rents-deter-home-buyers

    I understand many think renting is easier and cheaper. probably in the short term. But renting leaves us subsceptible to the whims of landlords and we really are their serfs. Home ownership is security and the price of security is worth it.

    Imho.

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  76. Harriet (5,145 comments) says:

    “…….I bet if it happened in a private home in south Auckland, everyone would know about it by now……………It will be interesting to see how the carers of this one are treated … leaving a small child alone in the bath is unacceptable – regardless of your bank balance….”

    LOL….it’s not to do with money Judith………….she is a WHITE LIBERAL FEMALE…….sympathy is what she’ll get from the MSM!

    And her deadly actions will be excused due to ‘today’s hectic demands on women’ – or some other fucken bullshit!

    {I don’t know if it was the mother, father, or someone else that lead to this child’s death, I’m just pointing out how the media will treat it if the mother is some where near being ‘culpable’ of the fact.}

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  77. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Ben Dover (240 comments) says:
    March 2nd, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    These sorts of events just never fail to shock me.

    One does not have to be particularly clever to know that children/babies cannot breath under water.

    I think the last case of a baby drowning in a bath the mother got off the charges, because she didn’t mean to be on the phone as long as she was when the child drowned in the tub.

    How do you get the message through – what does it take to make parents aware?

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  78. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Harriet (3,697 comments) says:
    March 2nd, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    You are probably right Harriet – there is no excuse, regardless of who was in charge, unless of course they suddenly lost consciousness whilst bathing the baby.

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  79. wat dabney (3,814 comments) says:

    kowtow,

    We can all cite history for examples of murder and slaughter. The Koran has examples of members of Jewish tribes in Arabia where all the men have their throats slit and the women taken as sex slaves.All in the name of Allah and His merciful prophet.This is the literal word of God and todays followers of the religion of peace and mercy will cite such examples to justify their violence today.

    Can we say the same for the New Testament?

    We can certainly say the same for the Old Testament, which is the whole point.

    And still we are asked to ignore the centuries of Christian barbarity and just consider its enfeebled nature today, when it has been deprived of its power to oppress, burn, torture and murder.

    The fact that you need to thoroughly bowdlerise the Bible and to try to limit debate by Stalinist white-washing of centuries of Christian history tells us all we need to know.

    Get back to us if and when you can embrace and defend all of the Bible, and if and when you can face up to the evidence of hundreds of years of Christian theocracy.

    In other words, when you stop lying to yourself perhaps you can stop lying to us.

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  80. Fletch (6,502 comments) says:

    Springsteen sang ‘Royals’ at his Auckland concert yesterday –

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  81. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    Well here’s one man who takes his New Testament seriously.If he didn’t he’d read the whole Bible like Wat suggests he should and not protect the Muzzies.

    Despite all the hatred against Christians expressed by the likes of wat,nasska etc there really are good Christian men out there.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/central-african-republic-priest-puts-religious-differences-aside-to-save-lives/article17152736/

    As opposed to the barbarians who murder polio vaccination workers..in the name of the prophet ,of course.

    http://www.voanews.com/content/11-pakistani-soldiers-killed-protecting-polio-vaccination-team/1862266.html

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  82. wikiriwhis business (4,135 comments) says:

    KiwiSavers losing out in default funds

    Thousands of people are in the wrong kinds of fund and are therefore forgoing a good slice of their retirement savings. In some cases, hundreds of thousands of dollars are at stake.

    Research house Morningstar does a quarterly KiwiSaver survey. The latest report for December 2013 showed the continuation of what I think is a crazy situation: Of the $17.6 billion in KiwiSaver, almost $6b is in conservative funds. That means that over one-third of KiwiSaver money is in low-returning funds.

    This is ridiculous because, for the vast majority of people, superannuation is a long-term investment.

    There are a couple of exceptions: Those using KiwiSaver as a vehicle for saving for their first house and older people who are within a few years of retirement age.

    However, everyone else is investing for the long term and so should be in much higher growth funds. It seems to me that the main reason for so much money in these conservative funds is that those KiwiSavers who do not nominate a fund provider are plonked into a default fund (all of which are conservative)

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9776060/KiwiSavers-losing-out-in-default-funds

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  83. wat dabney (3,814 comments) says:

    Well here’s one man who takes his New Testament seriously.

    You can equally find Muslims, Hindus and Atheists selflessly helping others. So what’s your point?

    And again it’s significant that you feel compelled to totally gut the Bible and restrict your support to just the New Testament.

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  84. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    I’m getting a bit tired of people who aren’t frankly interested in changing their minds about the Bible, even if a reconciliation between the OT and NT can be made, which it can, and has. I mean do some fools seriously think that they have raised a new question? No, of course they haven’t. What they’ve done is made up their minds already and they only look for reasons to justify their position, rather than let the evidence lead them to a conclusion.

    Just google “reconcile old and new testament” if you are interested. If you’re not interested then recognise it’s not possible to discuss how it is reconciled on a blog post, and just accept the FACT that people far wiser and more intelligent than you have already wrestled with it and have published their conclusions so if you want to argue then go read those instead and refer your objections to the authors of the papers.

    This is a very short summary of something most people miss in looking at the two parts of the library.

    http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2014/01/24/d-a-carson-how-can-we-reconcile-the-old-testament-god-and-the-new-testament-god/

    One of the best biblical teachers is a guy called David Pawson and he’s done youtube videos covering many if not all books in the Bible. It’s a series called Unlocking the Bible and it’s also on Shine TV. You could do worse than look at those youtubes on the books you’re interested in, Deuteronomy and Leviticus are frequently cited by people in raising this question.

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  85. itstricky (1,904 comments) says:

    But it was plastic spoons. And plastic comes from oil. You know, the evil thing that causes climate change, that is the most important issue faving the human race.

    itstricky – “Well, that’s a feat in itself. ”

    I was pretty proud of it. Maybe an argument as to why I was wrong instead of just a standard meaningless lefty personal attack…..?

    You know, the weird thing is, OneTrack, that the Greenies have got you thinking haven’t they? You identify with these things now. Every time you pick up a plastic spoon you think “oil”. Watch out, they’re brainwashing you into not wasting resources. Such a horrible thing to be brainwashed with.

    What argument? I said it. I said that using plastic spoons was a complete waste, up front. You’ve ignored that. Then I said that suggesting that they spending their money on feeding kids was a stupid argument. Because it is. They can spend money on what they want to get the publicity they want.

    The other incorrect assumption you’ve made there is that people who plant plastic spoons in the ground are also Greenies. The plastic spoon planters could be oil magnates for all you know. Nothing like tarring every individual with the same brush. It’s just like “us versus them lefties” to you, isn’t it?

    Your argument then seems to me to be “don’t give money to deadbeat parents”. I can tell you’re a giving sort of person, of course, because you summise a whole group of people out there are just “deadbeat” rather than poor, uneducated, underprivledged or under stress. Quality.

    While we are here, why don’t we talk about how the wrong stats on household income were released? I mean, I don’t see Keeping Stock mentioning that right? Seeeellllllllleeeeeeeeeccccccctttttttiiiiiiiivvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:

    The sculpture is being erected just two days after Labour called on Finance Minister Bill English to apologise for the release of incorrect data on inequality in New Zealand.

    On Thursday, Treasury and Statistics New Zealand admitted errors in its calculations of household disposable income, which overestimated incomes among poorer households.

    It meant the number of children living in poverty was underestimated by 20,000, while the level of income inequality was also underestimated.

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  86. Gulag1917 (1,026 comments) says:

    The Conversation

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  87. Gulag1917 (1,026 comments) says:

    Go Back S2 | Unseen Stories – Terrorist training

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  88. dirty harry (520 comments) says:

    The racist turia once ” wept with rage ” as reported on one news tonight..

    Join the club turia , you leave a shitty legacy .

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  89. RF (1,454 comments) says:

    Fantastic article by Keeping Stock on his site. Proves that Cunliffe is a slimy two faced low life concerning his fux outrage about Nationals off shore search for oil and gas. Looks like Labour has been there done that during the 9 years they were in Govt. Even his new best friend McCarten had concerns about him being two faced.

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  90. Sofia (869 comments) says:

    Plastic spoons á la Cunnliffe

    Announcing his $60 per week for every child in poverty conditions, Cunnliffe said there are 50,000 such children under three years.

    However, there was such a fuss over the fact that an extended maternity leave policy and the $60 were in fact not supplementary – but one or the other – few people noticed the $60 a week policy wouldn’t start anycase until April 1, 2016.

    So there are 50,000 children in poverty now.
    And another 16,666 a year until the policy kicks in – another 2 years and 1 month out.
    That’s another 34,720 children.
    So 84,720 children altogether, who will not benefit one cent from Cunnliffe’s $60 a week policy.

    So it seems the graphic sculpture in West Auckland, at 83,000 spoons, will be 1,720 short.

    I think Cunnliffe and Labour should personally, at their own expense, donate the extra needed.

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  91. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    A South Auckland woman went to the doctor and was told to go home
    and come back in a couple of days with a specimen.

    When she got home she asks her husband, “What is a specimen?”

    He replies,” Buggered if I know. Go next door and ask Edith.
    She’s a nurse.”

    The woman goes next door and comes back in about twenty
    minutes with her clothes all torn and with multiple cuts and
    bruises on her face and body.

    “What in the world happened?” asked her husband.

    “Damned if I know,” she replies. “I asked Edith what a
    specimen was, and she told me to go piss in a bottle.
    I told her to go shit in her hat,
    and then all hell broke loose!”

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  92. RichardX (329 comments) says:

    Reid (15,031 comments) says:
    March 2nd, 2014 at 4:04 pm
    I’m getting a bit tired of people who aren’t frankly interested in changing their minds about the Bible,…… ..…. What they’ve done is made up their minds already and they only look for reasons to justify their position, rather than let the evidence lead them to a conclusion

    The hypocrisy is breathtaking

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  93. itstricky (1,904 comments) says:

    And another 16,666 a year until the policy kicks in – another 2 years and 1 month out.
    That’s another 34,720 children.
    So 84,720 children altogether, who will not benefit one cent from Cunnliffe’s $60 a week policy.

    Well, you’ve really shot yourself in the foot with that one, haven’t you?

    Why don’t you, instead of complaining about Labour, do something about it? Not willing to? Not able to? Just want to sit back and score cheap shots on the oppposition?

    All you’re doing with the stats above is enforcing the quite valid point that Labour has.

    Perhaps you could “accidentally” release the wrong stats. That might help brush it under the carpet for a little while longer.

    So it seems the graphic sculpture in West Auckland, at 83,000 spoons, will be 1,720 short.

    I think Cunnliffe and Labour should personally, at their own expense, donate the extra needed.

    Why? They are the opposition? Surely, if anyone is in a position to do something here it is the Government. Especially if they want to be elected next term.

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  94. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    And the world watches as Vladamir shits on Barrack.

    Shits on him and rubs his face in it.

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  95. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    The leader of the free world says to Vladamir,

    “Don’t cross that line.”
    “If you cross that line then there will be consequenses.”
    “OK, you crossed it, but I dare you to cross this other line.”

    “Oh! you crossed that line too .”
    Then.
    “Keep this up then I really, really will get cross.”
    “No vladamir I mean really, really cross.”

    “I will tell my Mummy then you’ll be sorry.”

    (Barry Obamas foriegn policy.)

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  96. Harriet (5,145 comments) says:

    Richard X

    “Why is it that more and more politicians, who believe that adults should be playing with poop are being elected to government, I would hardly shake their hands, let alone allow them to kiss my babies and have them educating my children.” —– Bert Weintraub.

    God Bless Bert. :cool:

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  97. wat dabney (3,814 comments) says:

    Reid,

    I’m not sure where you got the idea that the debate is about reconciling the OT and NT.

    It’s not. It’s about the evil, barbaric nature of the deity Yahweh as depicted in the OT, which “Christians” dishonestly ignore and white-wash; pretending the Bible is just the stupid hippy stuff of the NT.

    You’re like the Keith Locks of Christianity: apologists and excusers of barbarities and atrocities on scales large and small.

    And it’s about hypocrites such as kowtow falsely contrasting specifically today’s meek fake “Christianity” – deprived of its power to oppress, burn, torture and murder, thanks to secularism – with today’s vile Islam; and falsely comparing carefully cherry-picked verses from the NT with some nastiness in the Koran, completely ignoring the endless atrocities of the OT.

    (And it’s about the hypocrisy of kowtow himself of course, bleating about people who introduce religion to the thread whilst repeatedly doing it himself.)

    I’m getting a bit tired of people who aren’t frankly interested in changing their minds about the Bible

    Unlike yourself, you mean?

    Just google “reconcile old and new testament” if you are interested. If you’re not interested then recognise it’s not possible to discuss how it is reconciled on a blog post, and just accept the FACT that people far wiser and more intelligent than you have already wrestled with it and have published their conclusions

    Those stupid Jews, eh? Too stupid even to use google to find out that they’ve been entirely wrong about this whole Messiah/NT thing. I’ll bet their faces will be red when they find out!

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  98. edhunter (553 comments) says:

    As an atheist from a very very short line of atheists I thank daily the random acts of nature and chance that enabled me to be born into a society that is so acceptable of my belief’s. And as such I am very reluctant to label Christians as an enemy that some here are so readily to do so.
    But strangely I find their acceptance of multiculturalism abhorrent to my own perceived standards of freedom of speech, association & interpretation.

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  99. Johnboy (17,035 comments) says:

    I sacrificed most of a lamb tonight on the fires of salvation. Jolly nice it was, particularly the mint sauce, said all the assembled multitude! :)

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  100. edhunter (553 comments) says:

    blesses are the meek and it doesn’t get much meeker than the sheep

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  101. Sofia (869 comments) says:

    Itstricky –

    The point was: Cunliffe’s policy doesn’t benefit anyone until April 1, 2016.
    That is the 50,000 Cunliffe was talking about, plus an extra 34,720 to be born one supposes before his policy starts on
    April 1, 2016.

    What was hard to understand about that?
    He says National is doing nothing about them – neither does his policy. Get it?

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  102. itstricky (1,904 comments) says:

    Sweet, so we all know what the Government is doing about it, then. Squat all. And 34k children is a lot. What do you propose, seeing as it’s so many?

    Better to have an idea and a policy, albeit a crap one, than to have no policy at all.

    But who cares when you’re scoring points against the opposition, right?

    Do your figures take into account the “inaccuracies” of the Dept. of Stats?

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  103. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    Poor diets of the dumb dumb masses:

    So I’m at the shop – brown kid about ten ? And older brown woman – maybe grandma. She was slim. He looked like he was starting to show signs of porkiness.

    The shit that they had in their trolley – half the items were indisputably junk food. More than half of maybe twenty or so. So many I didn’t want to look and try to remember them all. Cookies I remember. Not a normal pack of biscuits – some weird small pack of cookies.

    These people are fucked. Try helping them – go on – just you try helping them. They are so fucking thick it’s not funny.

    This was my shopping for the day by way of contrast: cabbage, peaches, pineapple, yoghurt, baby cucumbers, bananas, plums, apples.

    You can’t get through to dickheads. They love their excessive sugar, fat and high carbohydrate intake the useless inactive morons.

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  104. itstricky (1,904 comments) says:

    Wow. You are a compassionate fellow aren’t you?

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  105. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre (2,328 comments) says:
    March 2nd, 2014 at 11:38 pm

    … You can’t get through to dickheads. They love their excessive sugar, fat and high carbohydrate intake the useless inactive morons.

    The sort of food you describe is usually what is on special and much cheaper than good healthy food that is seldom sold at reduced prices. A 2.5 litre bottle of coke is on special this week at $2.49, a 2 litre bottle of milk is $3.98. Fruit and veges are an atrocious price, I just paid $5.98 per kilo for kiwifruit, $3.98 for bananas. I see a packet of biscuits on special for $1.98 – chocolate chip or something like that.

    Yes, they should buy the good stuff, but its not always that easy – we don’t eat white sugar, we use coconut sugar if it is needed. I don’t use ordinary flour, if needed I use coconut flour, and coconut oil for cooking, I spend a fortune on food due to our decision to eat the best – the vast majority of families simply could not afford it.

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  106. corrigenda (142 comments) says:

    Quote: So it seems the graphic sculpture in West Auckland, at 83,000 spoons, will be 1,720 short.

    I think Cunnliffe and Labour should personally, at their own expense, donate the extra needed.

    Maybe we should ask McCarten to organise a fund raiser using mystery envelopes. He has some experience with those.

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