Herald on Sunday story badly wrong

March 30th, 2014 at 8:59 am by David Farrar

Susan Edmunds at the Herald on Sunday writes:

The cost of feeding your family a cooked weekend breakfast rose by more than three times the rate of inflation over the past five years — and the price increases aren’t likely to stop.

This makes it sound like breakfast food prices have been rising faster than other costs. Their calculation:

If you served tomatoes, mushrooms, bacon, toast, eggs, tinned spaghetti and cereal, with coffee, tea and orange juice this weekend, it would have cost you 6.9 per cent more than the same meal in 2008, and almost 3 per cent more than in 2012. Breakfast food prices have risen more quickly than other prices.

Over the past five years, the compound average annual rate of inflation was 2.1 per cent.

This is so wrong and deceptive, it is appalling.

The story is comparing the cumulative five year price increase of cooked breakfasts with the average annual inflation rate. That is not apples and apples. That is comparing the cost of five apples to one apple.

Yes the average annual inflation rate has been 2.1%. What that means is that prices overall have increased 10.8% from December 2008 to December 2013. The CPI for those quarters was 1072 and 1188 respectively.

So if the cost of breakfast has increased by 6.9% over five years, then the cost of breakfast has increased by around 60% of the overall inflation, not by three times as much. The average annualized increase in breakfast is 1.4% – again far less than 2.1%.

This story should be pulled from their website it is so wrong. I’m not sure a correction can fix it, as its central premise is flawed.

I also doubt some of the data in there. I presume they got more detailed data from Stats NZ than on Infoshare, but even what Infoshare has doesn’t support some of the assertions such as:

A loaf of bread is now 11 per cent more expensive than it was in 2008.

The bread sub-index was 1290 in Dec 2008 and 1374 in Dec 2013 (and down to 1359 in Feb 2014). This is a five year increase of 6.5%, not 11%.

But even if you accept their figures are correct, their assertion is fundamentally wrong. The cost of a cooked breakfast has not risen three times faster than inflation. It has risen slower than inflation.

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89 Responses to “Herald on Sunday story badly wrong”

  1. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    I just love the balanced, factual media ;-)

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  2. Hugh Pavletich (217 comments) says:

    David … pop up the excellent Reserve Bank CPI calculator hyperlink, so that people can easily work it out for themselves.

    Housing is THE big inflation horror story. Food inflation has been modest indeed.

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  3. jcuk (686 comments) says:

    Pretty academic to me who simply has a bowl of cornflakes with yoghurt and a little milk with a cup of coffee for breakies :)

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  4. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    NZ Herald journalists, making shit up since 1996.

    Breakfast here is Uncle Toby’s Rolled Oats made in Australia, cooked for 7 minutes with salt served with cold blue top milk.
    If I ate that breakfast I would make Herr Schmitz look positively svelte in very quick time.

    That Bint is describing Brunch anyway, and where was the freakin sausage.

    Now about that cigarette I used to have with the coffee, no longer a part but I bet the price inflation on that HAS gone through the roof.

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  5. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    Should remedial math now be part of any school of journalism?

    Or is it simply that there is a political narrative which must be kept in front of people, even if it’s just the headlines and nobody reads further (which seems to be the operating principle nowadays). The narrative being: huge increase in food prices => poorer families struggling to feed themselves => thousands of little children hungry in NZ?

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  6. stever (26 comments) says:

    Couple of points.
    First the picture with the article doesn’t match the breakfast she mentions.
    Secondly check her herald page out. Most articles are the same crap.

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  7. TM (99 comments) says:

    I don’t know if this is media bias as much as total incompetence. People who can just manage to write, but who have no knowledge or intelligence.

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  8. chris (647 comments) says:

    When I read the article this morning, I assumed it was complete and utter bullshit. Thanks for confirming it David with some real maths and data.

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  9. smttc (752 comments) says:

    The real problem is that the average sheeple is so stupid and unthinking, they will not realise the article is a load of crap.

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  10. jp_1983 (213 comments) says:

    Just wait tomorrow labour new food policy…
    Nationalize food distribution and you can get your daily rations from the local co-op on provision of Labour Party membership ID…

    Guess it will fix the obesity problem too.

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  11. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    She probably didn’t take much notice in maths class which is why she’s a writer.

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  12. duggledog (1,556 comments) says:

    What is this ‘Herald’ you speak of David?

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  13. Jaffa (94 comments) says:

    It was written by idiots, for idiots.

    Unfortunately, the idiots can vote!

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  14. peterwn (3,271 comments) says:

    Hugh – agreed. 1960’s price of electricity was nearly one cent a unit. Now extrapolate this with the Reserve Bank CPI calculator. Nowadays you need to add the daily charge and GST. See what you get.

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  15. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    The point were hunger overrides preference has no need to intrude on anyones life in New Zealand.

    The herald story just ignores the ignorance and laziness of those who chose to starve when bountiful food can be found at the road side.

    Puha and wild Brassica with pavement fried road kill* and a cricket cream and fly pupae suprise sauce.

    *Any restaurant /drive though scraps, and slow rats,cats seagulls and other vermin can be substituted to taste and seasonal availability.

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  16. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    It’s like the same lefties who now attack John Key in terms of what his salary increase means in terms of $ a year…. John Key got an extra $10,000 blah blah blah… Remind them that 1999-2008 the average increase for MPs pay was circa 9% year meaning the PM’s pay doubled in her 3 terms and they stare blankly in disbelief. It can’t be true….
    This is your average Labour supporter….

    probably a teachers union protest

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  17. David in Chch (518 comments) says:

    Sadly, I see the lack of general numeracy all too often, every day. So many people cannot do basic calculations. It isn’t just journalists, or their editors, but the wider public as well.

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  18. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Yeah, I gotta admit, my maths suck.

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  19. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    “Sadly, I see the lack of general numeracy all too often, ”

    But, but, we have the best education system in the world. The teachers always say so.

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  20. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    I think the editor has given his trained and skilled staff an instruction:-

    “It’s election year, make the gummint look bad.”

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  21. wreck1080 (3,912 comments) says:

    @hugh:

    “Housing is THE big inflation horror story.”

    This is also an inaccurate statement but I guess you mean auck/chc.

    Ok, in tauranga the real cost of housing has dropped by 20-30%. Absolute prices are still below the 2006/07 peak even before accounting for inflation.

    Actually, house price drops have been a disaster outside auckland.

    So, what does the government do — introduce an lvr in tauranga!!!!

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  22. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    wreck1080

    Why is it the governments job to control housing prices in highly desirable locations ?

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  23. adamsmith1922 (890 comments) says:

    That breakfast menu is gross, unhealthy and just nonsense. If that is a suggested norm then this ‘ journalist’ needs to go back to school.

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  24. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    So the Hoorald continues it’s election campaign on behalf of the left by writing more pieces containing bullshit.

    No surprises – just another day ending in ‘y’….

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  25. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    In 2008 I could get a large box of wheetbix on special for $2.99, now the same box on special is $7.99.

    Wheetbix is pretty standard Kiwi breakfast fodder. When you add the price of the milk to go on it, and the amount that has risen by, then the figures suggested are probably not that far out…

    BUT… one does not have to eat wheetbix for breakfast, and there are other foods, such as porridge etc mentioned above that have not risen to the same extent (and are probably more healthy for many).

    In 2008 we ate wheetbix for breakfast, now we don’t touch them. What we have for breakfast costs us a lot more, but we have decided is much healthier for us.

    So I could write a story for the papers that says breakfast in 2008 cost me about $1.50, and now it costs me about $10! Makes for interesting journalism but it is hardly balanced.

    [DPF: Countdown has a large 750 gm weetbix for $4.99 and not even on special]

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  26. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee (3,957 comments) says:
    March 30th, 2014 at 10:14 am

    Don’t give up Elaycee – tomorrow ends with a ‘W’.

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  27. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    I must admit, my maths isn’t good, either. So thanks David.

    Why is it that so many people have poor maths skills? Is the public education approach to teaching maths poor ? And/or is there something about maths that makes if more difficult than, say, writing for many people?

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  28. David in Chch (518 comments) says:

    Actually, Peter, I would also say that too many people don’t know how to write clearly either. Just my observations day to day. Some pretty bad writing out there.

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  29. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    KS,

    I just love the balanced, factual media

    Let me remind you what you wrote in GD, just this morning, as first comment to try to get some punters to your blog:

    Excellent column in the Herald on Sunday this morning from Rodney Hide on Kim Dotcom, Hone Harawira and motives. He doesn’t hold back, describing the accord between Dotcom and Harawira as “crude and self-serving”. And he is absolutely right.

    Rodney’s opinion columns are far more “swayed” than those written by standard journos, even if those standard journos get it wrong. So, yes, balanced and factual indeed, depending on who’s saying “balanced and factual”. It never ceases to surprise me how KBers swear and curse at the unbalanced articles of the Hearld whilst the citizens of The Standard do the same. Must mean they have got it just about right (maths stuff ups notwithstanding)

    BTW, I like Rodney’s columns and I didn’t down tick you before you get all jiggy on it.

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  30. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    It’s more a question of logic than numeracy: comparing the cumulative total of several years’ price increases with the average annual inflation rate over that time and being shocked that one figure is much larger than the other.

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  31. southtop (265 comments) says:

    Re Adam Smith 10.13am
    Going back to school May compound the issue?

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  32. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Now about that cigarette I used to have with the coffee

    and the bourbon…. :-)

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  33. alwyn (424 comments) says:

    Judith says
    “In 2008 I could get a large box of wheetbix on special for $2.99, now the same box on special is $7.99.”
    Corrected by David to
    “[DPF: Countdown has a large 750 gm weetbix for $4.99 and not even on special]”

    That isn’t being fair to the damsel David. Putting in facts to show that the opposition views on things really isn’t playing the game.

    This story looks like something that originated in the Labour leader’s office in Parliament. It was probably received at the Herald, the top line identifying it as a press release was cut off and it was published by the idiot Sunday fish and chip wrapping paper the HOS.
    It certainly looks, and sounds like the sort of thing the messiah David Cunliffe says, and probably was. He wouldn’t see anything wrong with the calculation which is probably why he was less than successful in the jobs he had before becoming an MP, and went off looking for something else to do.

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  34. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    Rodney’s opinion columns are far more “swayed” than those written by standard journos,

    Woah there Tricky. That little piece of deception is trotted out everytime some lefty journalist gets caught out.

    Rodney’s piece is an opinion column. We know that upfront in the same way we know about Rod Oram’s columns or any other opinion writer, which thereby arms any reader with a critical filter.

    By contrast Susan Edmunds is a reporter’s column. While word-smithing to make the article stand out might be acceptable (from the media’s POV, even essential), it’s still supposed to be “just the facts ma’am” – not “facts” so screwed that they cause the reader to suspect either utter incompetence or ideological/partisan bias.

    But that’s okay. For at least the last twenty years I’ve regarded every reporter I’ve read as being nothing more than an opinion columnist. I just wish they’d stop trying to kid their readers, especially having so publicly trashed the whole “objective” standard themselves: I get that such may be unobtainable, but I’ve never accepted that fairness and balance had to go out with the bathwater as well.

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  35. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    This story looks like something that originated in the Labour leader’s office in Parliament.

    As silly as that comment is I do believe DPF will (have to) start fighting some of this sort of stuff off from now on. You see, as the economy improves, it will be harder to control inflation and harder for the Government to continually say “look, it’s low and it’s been lower than Labour ever had it” which, of course, is a bit of a spin. So watch this space for some good old sleight of hand statistical justifications…

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  36. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    This is churnalism under the Press Council regime.

    No need for Kiwiblog and Whale Oil to join this rabble.

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  37. jawnbc (85 comments) says:

    Thank gawd for the Herald doing such cutting edge, high priority journalism. Where would NZ be without them?

    Fine actually.

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  38. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    Tom, that’s very obvious. And I’m not being deceptive.

    Keeping Stock’s line suggests that he is dead chuffed with the quality of an article in The Herald on Sunday. Perhaps he should say he is dead chuffed with an opinion piece by Rodney Hide? It’s as if he’s trying to add legitimacy to it himself. And then popping over here to say it’s all unfair and unbalanced at the same time.

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  39. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    @itstricky: As others have already pointed out, you buggered your own argument when you noted KS linked to an opinion piece written by Rodney Hide. Not an article / not a ‘news’ item / not a report / but an opinion piece.

    As another commenter on KB discovered last year (when he unsuccessfully complained to the Press Council), an opinion piece is the view (opinion) held by the writer and there is no requirement to seek any other view.

    OTOH, a ‘reporter / journalist’ would normally be expected to write a balanced story.

    Unless, of course, you’re part of the left wing propaganda outfit also referred to as ‘the Hoorald’.

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  40. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    No need for Kiwiblog and Whale Oil to join this rabble.

    You’re quite right. Because today’s WhaleOil is so balanced, articulate and non personal:

    Tamati Coffey has been selected to stand for Labour in Rotorua.

    I don’t think Todd McClay will be losing any sleep…unless Tamati Coffey heads down to the local pig hunters club and enters all the competitions and get heaps of photos proving he is a rough and tumble kiwi bloke interested in hunting pigs, the bush and swannies.

    David Cunliffe, who professes on his CV at least to be a trade genius had this to say yesterday:

    The NRA is one of the most effective lobbying and political movements in modern history. I am a member for two reasons, the first is to assist them in protecting the rights of gun owners and secondly to learn how they campaign.

    Yep, she’s quality stuff alright. This makes Susan look like a saint.

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  41. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    itstricky – “Must mean they have got it just about right”

    No, it doesn’t. For a start, the denizens of the Standard don’t think Marx was left enough. So when National supporters (centre-left) say the Herald is biased to the left of them and the ultra-left Standard say the Herald is to the right of them, that leaves the hard-left Greens and Labour in the middle. So the Herald supports the views of the Greens and Labour. The problem they have is that Labour are so incompetent and, with the blogs pointing out the problems, they simply cant ignore all of it. Hence the stories sneaking out that, maybe, Cunliffe has no clothes.

    What about Herald analysis of the Greens and their last few policy announcements. Nothing. No analysis, they just printed the press releases as instructed, I mean as sent to them. The Greens are getting a free ride from the Herald.

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  42. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    you buggered your own argument when you noted KS linked to
    Unless, of course, you’re part of the left wing propaganda outfit also referred to as ‘the Hoorald’

    Nope, I’m mearly pointing out that it’s a bit stupid to post, over there “Look at this great thing in The Herald on Sunday” and then over here “The Herald on Sunday is unbalanced and unfair”. One might look a little bit silly if one did that.

    And I’m not sure why you think I have an “argument”. I’m just noting something.

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  43. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    What about Herald analysis of the Greens and their last few policy announcements. Nothing. No analysis, they just printed the press releases as instructed, I mean as sent to them. The Greens are getting a free ride from the Herald.

    Isn’t that a good thing? Doesn’t that mean they aren’t getting coverage and air time?

    I’ve seen plenty of articles about their policy recently, so I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Here’s one from yesterday:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11228752

    I’ve also seen plenty of coverage of Labour policy.

    But I haven’t seen much about National policy, because, well, since the Teacher restructure one there haven’t really been many announcements at all.

    You can tell that’s the case because the tag bar on the left of KB has the word Labour in HUGE letters, whilst the word National is half size font. This is DPF and KBers spinning of critisism of Labour policy whilst not really having much else to talk about ;)

    So, perhaps it’s better that the Greens don’t get any coverage, a?

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  44. marcw (247 comments) says:

    I understand that Judith is a university staff member who marks student assignments – I hope for their sake she is not in the School of Journalism, as judging by her ‘facts’ about weetbix, they are doomed to a life making up stuff to be published in the Herald and SST according to the editors’ agenda. How rewarding.

    [In Countdown in Chch this weekend, a large box of weetbix is $4.00 on special. :) ]

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  45. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    marcw (204 comments) says:
    March 30th, 2014 at 11:34 am

    I was quoting according to my local New World. I am well aware, as I presume most people are, that grocery prices, just like petrol vary immensely from not just area to area but suburb to suburb.

    I would also like to point out, that there are many different brands of wheetbix. The Sanitarian brand is spelled ‘weetbix’, there is one spelt as I spelled it and there are a variety of other spellings (and prices) for similar product. But surely you don’t need to be told this, or do you?

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  46. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock’s line suggests that he is dead chuffed with the quality of an article in The Herald on Sunday. Perhaps he should say he is dead chuffed with an opinion piece by Rodney Hide?

    That’s a fair point and it’s one reason that I don’t bother referring to The Herald on Sunday at all, nor most other MSM sources if I can help it. I’m not taken in by having a few Right-wing opinion pieces published to cover the left-wing ideological makeup of the vast majority of the reporters.

    What I want is a balance where they’ll be some right-wing equivalent of reporter Susan Edmunds who will actually bring some right-wing ideology to bear on the story at hand. Just as an example, in this case – assuming they get the stats correct – it would be to question what’s gone wrong with the families who “can’t” feed their kids. For example, asking whether there might be some pathologies going on here that are actually encouraged by traditional social-welfare solutions – rather than just pulling the old the-poor-need-more-money-from-government (which just happens to be the platform plank of Green-Labour).

    It won’t happen of course. Too shocking and controversial. Too extreme. Such a reporter would probably find themselves shunned in the newsroom – or even out of a job. Better to simply have media outlets that obviously hue to one side or the other and to hell with this “balance” piffle that few believe any longer.

    No analysis, they just printed the press releases as instructed, I mean as sent to them.
    Isn’t that a good thing? Doesn’t that mean they aren’t getting coverage and air time?

    So no need for reporters then? Perhaps not even a need for outlets like The Herald, as their circulation and readership numbers would indicate. Just send the PR to all the blog sites.

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  47. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ alwyn (352 comments) says:
    March 30th, 2014 at 10:55 am

    Considering the last sentence of my post you were referring to, please state just how I was the ‘opposition’? I was actually agreeing that any one can put together a story regarding prices that on first glance looks reasonable, but until you actually get the context, it doesn’t mean diddly squat.

    I just love the way everything many of you do is about the ‘labour/national’ divide. I really do wonder how you manage to live an ordinary life – god forbid what would happen to you if you needed an ambulance and it was driven by a labour party member – would you die instead of accepting help from someone that has a different opinion to yours?

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  48. backster (2,171 comments) says:

    It gets worse, five years ago I could buy a packet of fags for $10, now they cost $20.

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  49. wiseowl (893 comments) says:

    I like the line ‘this is so wrong and deceptive it is appalling.’

    What IS so wrong and deceptive as well is the National Partys support for the implementation of rules and regulations around using logfires in this country.

    The banning of older logfires is based on wrong information and the argument that people are dying (300) in NZ because of logfire emissions is totally wrong and misleading.

    Read the article on NZCPR.com for more.

    The cost of this flawed policy if huge and unacceptable.

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  50. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    itstricky – That is an example of what I suggested. That “article” is virtually a press release on behalf of the Green Party. No analysis. No questioning of the policy.

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  51. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    And just to prove my point about prices varying,

    this link is to countdown, for me to buy a 750gram box of weetbix from them today. It is not even the 1.2kg box, the big box that I was talking about.

    http://shop.countdown.co.nz/#url=/Shop/ProductDetails%3FStockcode%3D33022%26name%3Dsanitarium-weetbix-wheat-biscuits-regular%26search%3Dweetbix%2Bsanitarium

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  52. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    I got a letter the other day addressed to The Householder which turned out to be from The Herald asking me to subscribe. At least I think that’s what it was, I didn’t really read it. It may have been saying that unless I pay them $10 a week they’ll start delivering it to my door. That’s the only way they’d get any money out of me.

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  53. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    The Internet is great for finding the highest price when we’re buying stuff isn’t it Judith.

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  54. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ wat dabney

    That is the countdown site, which lists according to your location. It has specials as well, but there is not a special for weetbix in my area this week. It was pointed out by DPF that weetbix was much cheaper in his area this week, and that may very well be, but it is not the same for everyone Wat.

    The cost of me driving to another area to get it on special would make the exercise pointless. I can however, probably get a block of butter cheaper this week than he can.

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  55. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    Something like this is a good example of why I’d like blogs such as KB to just not link to the likes of The Herald at all.

    Most times DPF has made the link in order to correct crap like this or point out the ideological bent in the story that drove their “analysis” and led to their “conclusions”.

    But what does this accomplish? Has The Herald or any other such outlet ever corrected those stories (and done so in as big a type and as prominently placed as the original) or published some direct alternative that counters the original?

    It seems to me that such links just boost their readership numbers and help them continue as they are. What do they care, they gained eyeballs. Fuck ‘em. Don’t link to them. Don’t subscribe to them. Sure, it has not worked to date in making them change, and if the prospect of imminent death has not then I guess nothing will, as with their brethren in the US.

    So just help them to die – quickly!

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  56. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    lol what a low rent hack.

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  57. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    @wat dabney: According to the New World website, 750g Weetbix is on special this week in Auckland at….. $3.99.

    Just saying….

    http://www.newworld.co.nz/savings/?numberPerPage=All&category=grocery

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  58. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Elaycee (3,960 comments) says:
    March 30th, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    You do realise that the 750gram box is NOT the large box of weetbix don’t you? It is like comparing the price of 1/2 dozen eggs with one dozen. My initial post said the large box. The large box of weetbix is 1.2 kgs, the next size box is 1 kg and then there is the 750gram box.

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  59. gander (91 comments) says:

    1. How would one try to get the article withdrawn?

    2. Look on the bright side – with any luck some bright spark from the Opposition will raise the issue in the House and get smacked down.

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  60. alwyn (424 comments) says:

    Judith @11.46.
    I do apologise Judith. The sentence I put in that says
    “Putting in facts to show that the opposition views on things really isn’t playing the game.”
    Doesn’t make any sense at all. It got mixed up in my editing which really meant to end up saying something like

    “Putting in facts that show that the “facts” quoted are not true really isn’t playing the game”

    Yes I know it is completely different to what I put but I didn’t proof read it properly and left it in a complete mess.

    On the other hand stating something like
    “I would also like to point out, that there are many different brands of wheetbix”.
    really isn’t acceptable. When you say

    “Wheetbix is pretty standard Kiwi breakfast fodder”

    people are quite rightly going to assume the Sanitarium product and, even if they notice they are going to assume you can’t spell.

    I will ignore the last paragraph. That is the sort of thing I expect from people like Martyn Bradbury.

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  61. swan (665 comments) says:

    The story actually makes sense if the 6.9% is a real price increase, i.e. Inflation adjusted. This is how all price changes should be reported, instead of as nominal price increases. However I expect DPF is probably right as the herald always reports nominal price changes.

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  62. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    Judith

    Weetbix should be price controlled. It’s the governments job to set food prices right ? Imagine, we could give Sanitarium a government subsidy so they can keep the retail prices according to what the government say it should be.

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  63. Hugh Pavletich (217 comments) says:

    Wreck … Tauranga is a million miles off being affordable at a severely unaffordable 6.6 Median Multiple. Refer the Schedules of this years Demographia Survey at http://www.demographia.com .

    Housing needs to be at or below 3.0 annual household income to rate as affordable. Another useful measure is the total housing stock value to GDP. At tops 1.5 times … ideally about 1.2 times. Nationally we are sitting at about 3.3 times.

    Where is the Housing Accord with the Government that Tauranga was suppose to put in place, to start on the path of sorting out the mess ?

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  64. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Imagine, we could give Sanitarium a government subsidy
    They already get one seeing as they are a church, a tax rort on a huge scale.

    They pay no company tax which is a fucking crime. Seventh Day Advenits own them

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  65. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    Judith’s exhortation is simple.
    Buy the Homebrand equivalent of Weetbix – they are considerably cheaper than her $7.99
    They come from the same factory production line – just different package.
    And they taste the same.
    Ask your students.

    Just another silly Judith beatup.

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  66. Michael (909 comments) says:

    I dunno about the rest of you, but for breakfast I had a bowl of rolled oats, water, and sultanas that had been heated in the microwave for a couple of minutes. I added some milk and brown sugar.

    The idea of cooking all that stuff for breakfast would make me roll over and go back to sleep… although if anyone wants to cook up a brekkie like that for me come on over (but not the night before, it’s not that kind of invitation!)

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  67. transmogrifier (522 comments) says:

    NCEA Standard 18189: Identify and research stories for news for a variety of media
    Result: Achieved

    What are you complaining about?

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  68. Kimble (4,438 comments) says:

    Oh no!

    Sanitarium is able to charge more now than they did back then!

    And the same thing is available cheaper just without the brand!

    Oh no!

    Sanitarium’s brand is more valuable today than it was back then!

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  69. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    The Reserve Bank raised the OCR due to higher than expected inflation. So, consumers are paying more than expected, and of course mortgage rates have recently increased. Then there’s power prices rising several times the rate of inflation…

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  70. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    Then there’s power prices rising several times the rate of inflation…

    This is Green Party policy: fuel poverty.

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  71. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    itstricky said

    Keeping Stock’s line suggests that he is dead chuffed with the quality of an article in The Herald on Sunday.

    Sorry; I’ve been out most of the day. But I wondered why my ears were burning!

    Perhaps you missed the little wink at the end of my very first comment on this thread; a suggestion that I was speaking with tongue firmly in cheek ;-)

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  72. Eisenhower (137 comments) says:

    The story has now been amended from -

    The cost of feeding your family a cooked weekend breakfast rose by more than three times the rate of inflation over the past five years — and the price increases aren’t likely to stop.

    to

    The cost of feeding your family a cooked weekend breakfast rose by almost 7 per cent over the past five years – and the price increases aren’t likely to stop.

    But still no admission that it is less than the rate of inflation. Why didn’t they just withdraw it? The premise doesn’t exist.

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  73. gander (91 comments) says:

    ross69 (3,612 comments) says:
    March 30th, 2014 at 3:08 pm

    “The Reserve Bank raised the OCR due to higher than expected inflation.”

    ===

    The Reserve Bank Governor says (http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/news/2014/5655497.html):

    “While headline inflation has been moderate, inflationary pressures are increasing and are expected to continue doing so over the next two years. In this environment it is important that inflation expectations remain contained.”

    Ross69, where in the Governor’s statement does it say that inflation is higher than expected?

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  74. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    Eisenhower – Maybe DPF should send the Herald a bill for proofreading/subediting services.

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  75. burt (8,269 comments) says:

    ross69

    Some time in the future under a Labour government you’ll be defending increased inflation created by increased state spending and welfare expansion. You might want to think of that before you simply parot the party talking points.

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  76. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    burt (7,044 comments) says:
    March 30th, 2014 at 10:10 am

    wreck1080

    Why is it the governments job to control housing prices in highly desirable locations ?
    =================
    Its not and they should butt out taking their RBNZ with them.

    The LVR has stonkered the sales of low cost houses here.
    From some agents today.
    Young family people in their 30’s going along to homes in the under 300k bracket, go back for 2 or three times than have to get Mum and Dad along because they are going to be guarantors or put up some cash. Mum says “oh do you really want to live in this place, suburb etc etc (also known as a dream stealer). and that squashes there future as they go back and continue to rent.
    Happening everyday currently

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  77. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    If weetbix is too expensive for you, don’t buy it. Eat something else. Look outside your cultural paradigm – try making a Vietnamese breakfast of pho – rice noodle beef broth soup.

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  78. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    Hugh Pavletich (28 comments) says:
    March 30th, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    Wreck … Tauranga is a million miles off being affordable at a severely unaffordable 6.6 Median Multiple. Refer the Schedules of this years Demographia Survey at http://www.demographia.com .

    Housing needs to be at or below 3.0 annual household income to rate as affordable. Another useful measure is the total housing stock value to GDP. At tops 1.5 times … ideally about 1.2 times. Nationally we are sitting at about 3.3 times.

    Where is the Housing Accord with the Government that Tauranga was suppose to put in place, to start on the path of sorting out the mess ?
    ===============================
    Oh so the govt, and that twat Smith will fix it will they.

    There is and has not been any shortage of sections available in TGA.
    Our building companies are among some of the most competitive in the country.

    The city has already a 400+ million debt to contend with and actually us ratepayers don’t want to spend more on new comers and their demands for more.

    There are plenty of good quality houses available under the 300K or 400k if you want to buy one but you see many people don’t. They want new ones with bells and whistles which are priced from $450K upwards. In Feb one company I know sold 20 new homes and they are not the biggest builder. Apparently people can afford them.
    In Feb there were 229 second hand homes sold, mostly to owners as property investors are mostly out of the market because of the uncertainty and the LVR.

    Anyway it past time you stopped peddling the myth about incomes relating to what people can afford. Like most stats relating to housing its been overtaken by events, wishes and desires of people and meddling by govt.

    P.S> comparing Tga housing stock with say Napier or Wellington or even that city of the dammed where you live is an exercise in delusion.
    What you need to start with is comparing apples with apples and quantify the ages of the stock. In Tga most housing is so new that it reflects the cost of new construction. Most housing here is less than 40 years old and much of it less than 10. Relative %ages matter. That is why it seems we have had a bigger drop than other areas who tend to have older housing which is reflected in lower pricing and less demand.

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  79. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    burt – “Weetbix should be price controlled. ”

    Stop giving The Cunliffe ideas. KiwiBix?

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  80. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    burt – “Some time in the future under a Labour government you’ll be defending increased inflation created by increased state spending and welfare expansion. You might want to think of that before you simply parot the party talking points.”

    Dont worry. When the Labour/Green/Mana/Internet brings their increased taxation, increased regulation, Living Wage (for 16 year old school leavers) and then companies start laying off people or just closing down completely, ross69 will be here telling us they weren’t real jobs anyway and those company owners weren’t good managers so deserved to be shutdown.

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  81. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    Perhaps you missed the little wink at the end of my very first comment on this thread; a suggestion that I was speaking with tongue firmly in cheek

    I think this is what you want then :-P Nope. Let’s try this ;-p or this :-p what about this ;-P Hmm, seems a bit short on emoticons.

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  82. itstricky (1,830 comments) says:

    Meanwhile:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11228510

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  83. seanmaitland (500 comments) says:

    Judith, thats poor trolling. 1KG Weetbix was not $2.99 in 2008, unless you found it on some ultra-special, which, shock horror still happen now – a store near us recently had 1KG Weetbix for 19 cents for an opening special.

    Whats more, if you actually bought Weetbix regularly and knew the price of it, you wouldn’t be spelling it with an H in it.

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  84. gump (1,647 comments) says:

    My local Pak N Save was selling 1.2kg boxes on Weetbix for $3.00 each (limit two per customer) as a daily deal last week,

    I bought two boxes for the pantry. There’s 76 pieces in each box, so I basically purchased 76 breakfasts for only $6. That seems pretty good value to me.

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  85. hubbers (139 comments) says:

    It’s been heavily edited. Well fisked.

    The intro now reads

    The cost of feeding your family a cooked weekend breakfast rose by almost 7 per cent over the past five years – and the price increases aren’t likely to stop.

    But on their search engine

    The cost of feeding your family a cooked weekend breakfast rose by more than three times the rate of inflation over the past five years – and the price increases aren’t…

    Classic. I wonder if they will reindex with the lesser humiliating content.

    The headline should be Kiwiblog rewrites the NZ Herald.

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  86. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    @seanmaitland (12.08am): Maybe the oft’ confused one was referring to this ‘Wheetbix’ brand sold in WA:

    BULKA BAG WHEETBIX | Pet Products | Gumtree Australia Gingin …
    http://www.gumtree.com.au › Gingin Area › Gingin › Pets › Pet Products‎
    WE HAVE BULKA BAGS OF WHEETBIX FOR SALE, GREAT FOR PIGS, HORSES KANGAROOS ETC, 1033054241.

    :D :D

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  87. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    “…individual customers will see their bills increase by varying amounts, depending on their plan but in a letter from Meridian to one Wellington user sighted by the Herald, the annual increase is estimated at 24 per cent.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11216031

    It seems Max Bradford’s reforms are doing what was expected – providing power companies with supernormal profits.

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  88. seanmaitland (500 comments) says:

    @Elaycee – great detective work! No wonder she sympathises with the left, if she’s been mistakenly eating horse food :)

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  89. wreck1080 (3,912 comments) says:

    @Hugh Pavletich:

    “Wreck … Tauranga is a million miles off being affordable at a severely unaffordable 6.6 Median Multiple. Refer the Schedules of this years Demographia Survey at http://www.demographia.com .

    I don’t get your point.

    As I said, house prices are deflating (in real terms) in Tauranga ,not inflating. This is to show that house price inflation is only an Auckland / chc issue.

    Incidentally, Tauranga does have a lot of elderly people (ie, low paid) and expensive beachside holiday homes owned by non-residents. These unique characteristics maybe distort stats.

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